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15:09.21poliquitte: any news on the sh3 port? :) I am anxious to get the 620LX to work again, and I couldn't get jlime to work (can't get the .exe to be executed)
15:10.13quittepoli im waiting for ide-cs driver to be fixed in linux-sh kernel - then will try the newly debootstrapped cf.
15:11.01quittepoli: you need a uncompressed kernel and netbsds hpcload to boot on the lx's
15:11.59poliquitte: isn't this bootloader enough to get it booted? http://www.jlime.com/downloads/releases/shrek/bootloaders/6xx/wince211/
15:12.22quitteno
15:12.42quitteit doesnt work on the older wince the lx's have
15:13.31poliquitte: the lack of any documentation is making me nuts. :S
15:15.49poliquitte: I will try to boot it later today. Thank you.
15:16.24quitteor you just wait for the weekend. the kernel will definately e ready then
15:16.41poliquitte: Oh, I will wait then. :)
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18:32.04codebunnyhello, i got an iPaq with familiar + gpe up and running, but i need to upgrade firmware version and googled without any luck, ¿can somebody redirect me to any doc? Thanks!
18:38.27codebunny(firmware = ROM)
18:39.23policodebunny: What IPaq do you have?
18:39.37codebunnyh3630
18:40.01poliWhat firwm do you need upgraded?
18:40.39codebunnyhttp://www.expansys.es/forumthread.asp?code=NEXICAM001&thread=4 is the issue, I need 1.87
18:40.47codebunnynow i've 1.77
18:42.30policodebunny: I don't quite understand. What exactly is that firmware?
18:43.21codebunnyas HP says, it's a "ROM image" wich provides solution for the bug i mentioned and provides some extra features
18:43.40codebunnyhttp://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/handheldiPAQ/us/download/13595.html is the link to the fw
18:43.56policodebunny: Yeah... but for the size (9.8MB) and the bug list it fixes, I wonder this is a WindowsCE upgrade.
18:44.27codebunnyoh
18:44.30poliAre you running familiar+gpe and WindowsCE on that machine?
18:45.07codebunnyno, i did an image and backup it
18:45.19codebunnynow installed it's only that
18:46.02codebunny(only linux i mean)
18:47.05codebunnythe nexicam looks to be supported but when i insert it the touchscreens becomes crazy, almost unusable
18:47.14codebunnyit took me about 10 minutes to enter the pass
18:47.15codebunnyxD
18:48.09poliIf you are willing to keep familiar+GPE you will have to find out why linux is behaving that way.
18:48.51codebunnyyep, of course, but 'til now i was guessing it was "firmware" related
18:49.03codebunnybut you are probably right, seems to be windows update
18:49.34poliIf I remember correctly, in the 36xx series every bit of firmware gets replaced by familiar.
18:49.48poliIncluding the boot loader.
18:51.57codebunnyi received it just two days ago and i'm a newbie but i think so, at least the ipaq says there are only a few kb left
18:53.54poliThe firmware needs to be replaced because the original one is unable to boot the linux kernel... So, size is secondary for that matter.
18:54.27codebunnyso, there are three "parts", firmware, ROM and RAM ?
18:57.29codebunnysomething like "bootldr", "familiar" and "memory" ?
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19:10.19policodebunny: oh well
19:10.50polifirmware is always part of some kind of ROM (those are not real ROM, these days, usually flash memories, but still called ROM).
19:11.52poliRAM is good old memory where your data and program code stays while they are being executed
19:12.03poliROM is the storage medium
19:12.43codebunnyi see...
19:12.46codebunnythank you man
19:23.42codebunnyone possible aproach to my problem is to recalibrate the touchscreen with the cam, instead of calibrating it "as-is"
19:24.39codebunnythere is not too much logging
19:24.49Rebeccapoli: i lost my 4700 ebay auction :(
19:25.20codebunnyuh, that's funny
19:25.35codebunnywhen the screen gets locked it asks for a password
19:25.43codebunnybut there is no virtual keyboard
19:26.03Rebeccafun :)
19:26.30poliRebecca: Isaw it this morning. :(
19:26.40poliRebecca: for a guy with 0 feeback :(
19:27.09policodebunny: what version of familiar/gpe are you running?
19:27.51codebunnyfamiliar 0.82
19:28.00codebunnygpe let's look, i'm not sure
19:28.03poliThat's weird.
19:28.09poliShould be 2.6, I guess.
19:28.27Rebeccapoli: i should have bid more! i was at work with no net so i couldnt check it
19:28.33Rebeccaoh well
19:28.54codebunnygpe-image-h3600-20050407124742.rootfs.jffs2
19:28.59poliRebecca: other ones will come, I am sure.
19:29.35poliRebecca: I couldn't get my libretto running as it should. :( Can't get it to work with my Wi-fi CF.
19:30.29Rebeccapoli: i spoke too soon! someone likes me!
19:30.30RebeccaHi,
19:30.30RebeccaI was wondering if you would still be interested in my item number 5862084477.
19:30.30RebeccaAm happy to accept any of the payment options i have provided. Am also happy to offer you free registered postage if you are in Australia, once payment has been cleared or recieved. If you wish to choose COD there will be a postage cost of $20. Am also happy to offer you it for your bidding price of $615.
19:30.37Rebeccawoooo :D
19:30.46poliRebecca: lol congratulations!
19:31.25poliRebecca: That means the seller has more 4700 to sell?
19:31.41Rebeccahmmm. good question
19:32.01poliPlease do ask... I might know someone interested for that price.
19:34.38Rebeccaok, i will ask for you :)
19:35.00poliRebecca: Thank you. :) And congratulations once more. :)
19:35.08poliWelcome to the team ;)
19:35.23Rebeccasomething might not have been right with the other bidder.. since there were only 2 including myself
19:35.49Rebeccalike you mentioned.. 0 feedback
19:36.02poliRebecca: yeah... and had just created the account.
19:36.12poliI would reject the bid for such a high value product.
19:40.15poliRebecca: any idea of when it arrives? :)
19:47.40RebeccaIm guessing about a week?
19:48.06poliOh, many of the most annoying bugs shall be fixed, I guess ;)
19:48.20poliDid you take a look at http://www.handhelds.org/~bugzilla ?
19:49.10Rebeccain a week?
19:49.19Rebeccais development happening that fast?!
19:49.59poliWell, not the wifi. :( But gpe components dev is pretty fast these days. They are very close to release 0.8.3.
19:50.05Rebeccai cant wait to have my little linux handheld!
19:50.12Rebeccacool
19:51.10Rebeccaso.. the next step is to put linux on it and see how it runs with 64mb ram
19:51.21Rebeccathen ponder a ram upgrade. hehe
19:54.18Rebeccaif i do get the upgrade.. it will be the most expensive ram ive ever purchased, lol
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19:54.48Rebeccabut the idea of firing up gimp and playing with photos sounds nice.. so i might need it
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19:56.51poliRebecca: I haven't had RAM problems, but I don't get heavy apps running.
19:58.04Rebeccaokay :)
19:58.15Rebeccai think i tend to do ram hungry things though, hehe
19:58.26polilol
19:59.20Rebeccahave you got gcc on yours?
20:00.04poliRebecca: No... I use OE to develop (oe.handhelds.org and #oe).
20:01.27Rebeccaah, ok :)
20:02.50Rebeccainteresting
20:04.54Rebeccaheh.. i moved almost 1000AUD into my visa debit account in anticipation for using paypal to get the ipaq. but ill be paying for it with direct debit from another account... i wonder how long those visa funds will last ;)
20:09.30poliRebecca: LOL
20:10.09poliWomen... lol
20:10.48Rebeccaas if your much different ;)
20:11.07poliWe men don't get into spending spree...
20:11.13Rebeccaoh
20:11.16Rebeccathat's no fun
20:11.33poli(Or at least we don't admit it to the public ;) )
20:11.39Rebeccalol
20:12.15poli(nor to ourselves, actually ;) )
20:12.37Rebeccadenial is fun ;)
20:12.43poliyeah ;)
20:13.51poliRebecca: Magnum Case is a must ;)
20:14.02poliThen there is Otterbox if you enjoy watersports ;)
20:14.30poliWi-fi card as you won't wait until the driver is ready...
20:14.36poliEthernet card, just in case :)
20:14.41poliExternal Keyboard
20:14.44poliSerial cable
20:14.48poliretractable cable
20:14.55poliOk... Now I should stop. :)
20:15.40Rebeccalol
20:16.06Rebeccahehe. magnum metal case for something that already has a metal case?
20:16.35poliYes, so much fun ;) And both are magnesium ;)
20:16.45Rebeccaotterbox sounds cool. i could safely take it camping :)
20:17.57poliWell, it is not as rugged as I expected...
20:18.14poliAnd usability is limited
20:18.17poliBut works fine
20:18.31Rebeccaok
20:18.55policof cof.. I mean.. if I had bought one, of course!!
20:19.06Rebeccahehe
20:19.59poliOh... a friend of mine ;) also wants to get a car gps ;)
20:20.16poliAnd that comes with a car charger, too. :)
20:20.41Rebeccalol
20:21.28Rebeccahmmm. what's your opinion on keyboard connection type... there are what.? three options? BT,USB and IR?
20:21.39poliNo. No
20:21.45poliNo USB host on the 4700...
20:21.49Rebeccaohhhhh
20:22.05poliThere is serial port with a proprietary connector.
20:22.16poli(You can get a USB CF, if you wish to have it)
20:22.31poliSo, there is BT, IR and Serial (with proprietary connector)
20:22.50Rebeccahow is BT familiar support wise?
20:23.23poliI don't like the BT ones, first because I am paranoid and I can't imagine all my keystrokes being broadcasted unencrypted. :)
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20:23.34Rebeccaoh, good point
20:23.42poliAnd second because BT radio needs to be turned on, and that will consume battery.
20:23.55poliAnd third because they are damn expensive. :)
20:24.02Rebeccayou use IR/
20:24.03Rebecca?
20:24.34poliarg... a friend of mine bought an IR keyboard yes, but he is currently trying to get kbdd to recognize it... ;)
20:24.43Rebeccaoh, lol
20:24.56poliAbout installing on the 4700 (the final part is on BT): http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqHx4700HowtoInstallLinux
20:27.18poliIf you are interested in a keyboard and don't want to make kbdd work with it, I suggest you get one of the supported ones. See http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/kbdd
20:31.58poliOh... bluetooth is already configured in the latest 0.8.3 snapshot... and it seems to work (can't really tell, I don't have another BT device around)
20:33.06RebeccaBT sounds nice for convenience.. but your right about the paranoid factor :)
20:33.14poli:)
20:35.48Rebeccaare any of those kbds on the supported list known to be terrible? im shopping for one now
20:36.16poliI don't know...
20:36.30Rebeccaok :)
20:37.05quittepoli: did you actually scan for bluetooth devices? ;)
20:37.19poliquitte: I did ;)
20:37.45Rebeccahi quitte :)
20:38.10quittehi
20:39.02quittewhile im pretty paranoid about rfid i'd still love a locate_rfid tool.
20:39.13quitteand have stickers on everything
20:39.26Rebeccalol
20:40.10Rebeccalike... something that you could wander around with and it would tell you if your getting warmer or colder?
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21:19.42Rebeccapoli: i've since talked to that guy who offered the ipaq. turns out he wanted to know if i was interested as a _backup_
21:19.49Rebecca:/
21:20.09Rebeccabut.. on the plus side i found another guy that has lots to sell
21:20.20Rebeccahttp://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZtpcascioQQhtZ-1
21:20.49poliRebecca: better yet :)
21:21.16Rebeccathey are a little more, but brandnew. :)
21:21.54poliRebecca: Won't ship to Brazil :(
21:21.57Rebeccaawwww
21:22.14Rebeccamaybe mail the seller and ask?
21:22.30Rebeccabut.. you have one already!
21:22.34poliYes, always a valuable thing to do. :)
21:22.38poliYes, I do. :)
21:22.47Rebeccaone for each hand?
21:22.51poliRemember that friend that had his LCD ruined?
21:23.03Rebeccaoh? he wants one now?
21:23.36poliI don't know, yet, but I bet he does.
21:23.49Rebeccaare you a HP salesman?????
21:23.52Rebecca;)
21:23.59polilol no.. :)
21:24.30poli4700 never made to Brazil :(
21:25.03Rebeccaawww
21:26.10poliyes, you can't buy one if you go to certified HP dealers...
21:32.43Rebeccathat's silly. they should ship you one pronto!
21:45.03Rebeccawoo, i just bought one. i was so stupid. i was searching for 'ipaq 4700' and only getting a few. 'hx4700' found several more :D
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21:47.36Rebeccahttp://cgi.ebay.com.au/HP-iPaq-Hx4700-Absolutely-Mint-Condition-Bonus-Pouch_W0QQitemZ5861158386QQcategoryZ70892QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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22:04.50poliRebecca: lol
22:05.01Rebecca:)
22:05.23polilol you just bought it.
22:05.43poliAnd from a neighbor
22:05.53Rebeccayup yup :)
22:06.30poliWelcome to the team, again :)
22:15.29Rebeccahehe, thanks :)
22:16.03Rebeccaeek, i have SD card but no SD reader/writter for my PC
22:19.18quitteRebecca: mmc reader works,too
22:19.47Rebeccai dont have that either.. ill figure something out
22:22.44poliRebecca: you can get one on ebay ;)
22:23.10Rebeccaill probably just visit one of my local computer shops for that :)
22:23.43poliOr that :)
22:26.18Rebeccahmmm.. i wonder what quake will look like on it
22:29.40quitteRebecca: if you find a version of quake that compiles against latest librariesplease tell me. and im looking for original quake - not glquake or quakeforge
22:31.50Rebeccaoh, if i get quake working everyone here will know about it ;)
22:32.45Rebeccafor now i need to find a wifi CF card for it, and a WAP
22:33.08poliRebecca: There is only one WAP, Rebecca...
22:33.14poliIt is called the WRT54G
22:33.26poliAnd you will make the Gods very angry if you buy any other... :)
22:33.42poli(also, take a look at www.openwrt.org and let your geek spirit flow...)
22:34.31Rebeccahmmmm
22:34.36poliOk, time to work.
22:34.42Rebeccaabout time!
22:34.43Rebeccahehe
22:34.45Rebeccaseeya
22:34.50poliwomen
22:35.00polisee ya... and... don't make the Gods angry...
22:35.01poli;)
22:35.30poliOh and... #openwrt ;)
22:36.14Rebeccabtw: is a G WAP backwards compat with B devices?
22:37.02Rebeccaseems so :)
22:50.09poliRebecca: all of the Gs I know support B also.
22:50.15poliRebecca: Just get a linksys wrt54g
22:50.16poli:)
22:50.34poli(and you will thank me later)
22:50.40Rebeccaperhaps :)
22:50.53Rebeccai dont need one with much brains. but i can see it coming in handy later
22:51.16Rebeccaok. just ordered a wifi cf card :)
22:51.51poliOh, always check the supported hardware article on the wiki before ordering something ;)
22:52.30Rebeccai got the sandisk one
22:52.39poliConnectPlus?
22:53.33poliJust loaded the files I needed. Have to go. See you later.
22:53.35Rebeccahttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5863457185&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1
22:53.37Rebeccayes :)
22:54.04poliWell, not the best one, but ipkg install prism3-support will do the trick :)
22:54.04polibye
22:54.05Rebeccabye :)
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