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| 03:35.49 | matthew | Howdy |
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| 08:40.48 | Cockroach- | good day |
| 08:43.08 | x29a | hi |
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| 10:01.35 | Trypticon | does familiar support the IPAQ 6515? |
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| 10:42.38 | goutam | hello everybody |
| 10:42.50 | goutam | i need some help on running linux on iPAQ |
| 10:44.24 | sannes | hey, anyone experienced in making .ipk's .. i'm having some trouble, all seems to work, except installing it, where nothing gets run or installed .. |
| 10:44.52 | goutam | sannes, may i have your attention please? |
| 10:45.51 | goutam | sannes, are you there? |
| 10:45.53 | sannes | goutam : sure, :) |
| 10:46.02 | goutam | I am from india |
| 10:46.08 | goutam | i am working in a power utility |
| 10:46.18 | sannes | goutam : I have never installed Familiar myself (came preinstalled on the iPAQ I have) |
| 10:46.27 | goutam | and we are planning to provide our meter readers with handheld machines |
| 10:46.38 | sannes | goutam : cool :) |
| 10:46.56 | goutam | we have developed an application using tcl/tk |
| 10:46.59 | goutam | on a machine |
| 10:47.03 | goutam | known as simputer |
| 10:47.12 | goutam | it is an indian machine |
| 10:47.31 | goutam | but it looks to be a bit fragile and difficult to survive in the operational environment |
| 10:47.38 | goutam | so we are looking at the iPAQ |
| 10:48.02 | goutam | can you tell me if iPAQ is available with familiar or any other version of Linux? |
| 10:48.40 | sannes | iPAQs seem to work great with the iPAQ I currently have .. |
| 10:48.58 | sannes | which is a 3970 |
| 10:49.04 | goutam | u got it preinstalled with familiar? |
| 10:50.39 | goutam | sannes? are you there? |
| 10:50.40 | sannes | yes, it is not mine too keep, just trying out some adhoc routing protocols .. (altough I may buy one later) |
| 10:51.10 | sannes | so someone else installed it, but it shouldn't be too hard .. http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 10:51.19 | goutam | ok, so i presume that we can get iPAQ machines with familiar installed in it from HP |
| 10:51.38 | goutam | now the next worry is the development of the application |
| 10:51.40 | sannes | you probably have to install it yourself, but I don't know for sure, send HP a message :) |
| 10:51.58 | goutam | what is the graphical application development environment available in familiar? |
| 10:52.14 | sannes | Opie I think .. |
| 10:53.04 | goutam | can you point me to some link where the thing is discussed. i have no idea about opie |
| 10:53.32 | sannes | http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ |
| 10:54.36 | goutam | thanka a lot sannes |
| 10:54.40 | goutam | i shall explore it |
| 10:55.05 | sannes | no problem :) good luck! |
| 10:55.12 | goutam | :-) |
| 10:55.56 | sannes | now I just have to find out where ipkg developers hang out :P because the issue I'm having is driving me nuts |
| 10:56.28 | goutam | sorry, i am not able to help you |
| 10:56.31 | goutam | good luck |
| 12:08.54 | nusse | sannes: where can you buy ipaq with preinstalled familiar? |
| 12:09.05 | nusse | sannes: and did you never brake it and had to reinstall? |
| 12:10.21 | nusse | goutam: there are two graphical interfaces, one is gpe which uses X11 so tk should work |
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| 13:49.03 | sannes | nusse : well, it is a borrowed the compaq ipaq for some testing, so I don't know the history of it .. anyways, you know anything about creating .ipk packages ? |
| 13:51.40 | Trypticon | does the IPAQ h2215 support those seagate 2/4/8Gb micro drives? |
| 13:58.53 | nusse | sannes: no, im sorry |
| 13:59.06 | nusse | sannes: i suggest unpacking it using ar |
| 14:00.00 | nusse | try increasing verbosity level while install |
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| 14:07.58 | sannes | nusse : tried -V 3, but it doesn't give any errors, made a dummy package that should only install *one* file now.. and it still doesn't work :( |
| 14:08.32 | nusse | ar x file.ipkg |
| 14:08.58 | nusse | tar tfz data.tar.gz |
| 14:10.33 | sannes | I had to use tar |
| 14:10.52 | sannes | but the files are in data.tar.gz |
| 14:12.05 | sannes | all the files |
| 14:13.18 | nusse | mh |
| 14:13.30 | nusse | is it gzip or just tar? that matters |
| 14:13.51 | nusse | oh well, the ipkg is tar? i thought it was ar like .deb |
| 14:14.24 | sannes | ah, ops, sorry, did on another test file .. heh |
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| 14:14.52 | nusse | i dont even know how to create ipkg files, perhaps im the wrong person to help |
| 14:15.27 | sannes | I get three files, debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz .. where data.tar.gz contains the files I want to install .. |
| 14:15.38 | nusse | debian? |
| 14:15.38 | nusse | wtf |
| 14:16.42 | chorr | Hello, I am totally new...I am from Spain, I have a Acer N50 PDA and many problems with the Bluethooth whe I use for GPS Navigation |
| 14:16.48 | chorr | It looks like the Windows Mobile 2003 for this PDA has many problem with everybody |
| 14:17.05 | chorr | I would like to know if i can install familiar |
| 14:17.14 | chorr | anyone can help me? |
| 14:17.23 | chorr | plase contact me |
| 14:17.47 | nusse | sannes: ok, have that file here too |
| 14:18.16 | nusse | chorr: have a look at handheld.org |
| 14:18.36 | chorr | it looks there also versions for Acer N30 |
| 14:18.51 | chorr | and it alks a little bit about the rest of PDAs |
| 14:19.16 | chorr | it says that maybe is comatible for other PDAs using similar processors |
| 14:19.21 | nusse | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/AcerN50Status?action=highlight&value=n50 |
| 14:19.26 | chorr | I donīt have many experience |
| 14:19.44 | nusse | there isnt much information about n50 |
| 14:20.13 | nusse | you should first look at the supported modells then buy the device |
| 14:20.22 | chorr | OK..it looks like basiclly it works except for files in the SD Card |
| 14:20.52 | nusse | haha, the kernel booting is not enough |
| 14:21.07 | chorr | Nusse, the problem is that right now I have the devce and I am looking how to solve the problems that I have |
| 14:21.45 | nusse | chorr: i believe if it would run smoothly, there would be a lot more information |
| 14:21.57 | sannes | nusse : could you take a look at it, try it even.. I'm suspecting that maybe there is something wrong with ipkg on the ipaq .. hm |
| 14:23.08 | nusse | sannes: i can try to install it |
| 14:23.12 | nusse | sannes: url? |
| 14:23.13 | sannes | nusse : http://folk.uio.no/asbjorsa/inf5090/uio6/aodvuu_0.9.1_arm.ipk |
| 14:23.26 | nusse | what an url;) |
| 14:23.30 | nusse | whats aodvuu? |
| 14:23.53 | sannes | nusse : it should only install one file.. /root/this-should-be-here or something, it is an adhoc routing protocol .. |
| 14:24.54 | sannes | nusse : but no aodvuu files are in there at the momement (since i'm currently debugging this installaton issue) |
| 14:25.12 | nusse | well, file tells me it is ar |
| 14:26.52 | nusse | mh, perhaps ipkg cant install files to /root |
| 14:27.15 | sannes | nusse : ar x works on it btw, I tried it on the wrong file |
| 14:27.35 | nusse | ;) |
| 14:27.37 | sannes | if you do ipkg files aodvuu it actually lists the file I think .. |
| 14:27.49 | nusse | file batman2_0.05_mipsel.ipk ~/tmp |
| 14:27.52 | nusse | batman2_0.05_mipsel.ipk: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Sun Mar 26 20:57:08 2006 |
| 14:28.33 | nusse | damn, xmodem isnt working |
| 14:29.35 | sannes | hm |
| 14:29.39 | nusse | ok, it does |
| 14:29.41 | nusse | i hate minicom |
| 14:30.08 | sannes | it does what? |
| 14:30.37 | nusse | root@luo:~# ls -l /root/this-should-be-here |
| 14:30.38 | nusse | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 21 Apr 3 14:19 /root/this-should-be-here |
| 14:30.46 | sannes | hm, I use ipkg-build (ipkg-utils) to make the package .. |
| 14:30.46 | sannes | hm |
| 14:30.52 | sannes | it works for you? |
| 14:30.58 | nusse | seems to |
| 14:31.07 | sannes | but .. |
| 14:31.26 | nusse | ipkg -v |
| 14:31.26 | nusse | ipkg version 0.99.159 |
| 14:31.53 | sannes | hm, I have 0.99.105 ... |
| 14:34.26 | sannes | thanks :) |
| 14:34.38 | nusse | dunno if thats a problem |
| 14:36.09 | sannes | Well, I'm running familiar 0.7.2, so maybe I should look into upgrading.. heh |
| 14:38.47 | nusse | yep |
| 14:38.53 | nusse | what device? |
| 14:39.18 | sannes | ipaq 3970 |
| 14:49.14 | chorr | nusee, it looks like there is not too much activity...do you have some time and i can ask you from the begining |
| 15:00.38 | chorr | my first question would be: it looks like Familiar is Os for PDAs.....will I find also aplications like GPS Navigators???..or is it onloy a OS development? |
| 15:02.54 | nusse | there is gpsdrive, but it displays only your location on a map |
| 15:02.57 | nusse | no routing |
| 15:04.29 | chorr | aha |
| 15:04.56 | chorr | and the idea is to develop the navigation programs or that is not the objetive of this platform? |
| 15:08.07 | nusse | the idea is to run linux i think |
| 15:08.21 | nusse | there arent *any* free routing navigation applications |
| 15:08.58 | nusse | have you tried updating pocketpc to get better bluetooth support? |
| 15:09.10 | chorr | what i mean is ifht eobject of this OS is that same applications as for Windows Mobile probably wil be developt |
| 15:09.18 | nusse | or perhaps using a cf gps device if thats possible |
| 15:09.20 | chorr | No, I did't try that |
| 15:09.26 | chorr | I donīt know how to do |
| 15:09.29 | nusse | try that |
| 15:09.41 | nusse | check your manufactures website |
| 15:09.57 | chorr | I thought that if you want to update tour PDA you need the software from the manufacturer |
| 15:10.18 | chorr | and I don't know where to find any software from Acer |
| 15:10.50 | nusse | acer.com? |
| 15:11.04 | nusse | hp provides them for ipaq so acer should do that for your device |
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| 15:20.18 | chorrr | I will try to contact acer to see if they can provide me an update |
| 15:26.36 | nusse | there are some downloads on acer.com |
| 15:32.49 | nusse | http://csd.acer.com.tw/acer/URMUL1.NSF/1af87a750eeeb70f0825628f006e0bfc/17e5df84be71214248257084002f4029?OpenDocument |
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| 16:57.19 | jsun | hi |
| 16:58.28 | x29a | hi |
| 17:00.27 | jsun | which is better, GPE or OPIE? any opinions? |
| 17:01.11 | jsun | it seems OPIE has more apps ... |
| 17:01.25 | jsun | and it seems OPIE is smaller (?) |
| 17:03.38 | award | opie does not crash on 32mb machines ;) |
| 17:03.49 | award | gpe does |
| 17:04.05 | jsun | so opie is smaller then? |
| 17:04.16 | award | not exactly smaller |
| 17:04.23 | award | i think it even occupies more space on the flash |
| 17:04.34 | award | but it's less memory hungry |
| 17:04.45 | jsun | ahh. |
| 17:06.12 | award | never had any ipaq :) |
| 17:09.29 | jsun | the image is same as for ipaq h3900 - interesting ... |
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| 17:31.01 | nusse | opie has better pim and application integration, imho |
| 17:31.53 | jsun | so nobody here is GPE camp? :) |
| 17:34.20 | nusse | try #gpe |
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| 18:19.24 | trypticon | does anyone know if 8gb Seagate microdrives work under familiar linux with an IPAQ 2210? |
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| 18:39.10 | jsun | not sure if this is a FAQ - is familiar moving towards a 2.6-based release soon? |
| 18:40.36 | trypticon | jsun: hi |
| 18:40.58 | trypticon | jsun: Isn't familiar already on 2.6 kernel according ot handhelds.org? |
| 18:41.47 | jsun | oh? I just installed 0.8.2 which is still 2.4.19 based, at least for ipaq h5xxx. |
| 18:44.06 | trypticon | what Ipaq? |
| 18:44.36 | jsun | h5550 |
| 18:44.53 | jsun | it appears all h5xxx use the same image. |
| 18:45.16 | jsun | at least h55xx anyway. |
| 18:49.53 | nusse | look at the image filename |
| 18:50.34 | jsun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.37 | jsun | you mean this? |
| 18:50.44 | trypticon | what is the latest version of familiar software supported for the IPAQ H2210? |
| 18:51.23 | trypticon | I'm a little confused by the site... it says the snapshots only support the newer IPAQs.. yet theres images for the the H2200's? |
| 18:54.40 | award | jsun: gpe has button support on simpads ... and since it uses an x-server it should be possible to use it as remote client .. that's about all the befits i could think of :) |
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| 19:13.27 | jsun | award, thanks. |
| 19:13.45 | jsun | I suppose there are probably apps based on GTK, which makes it easier to port to GPE. |
| 19:13.52 | jsun | s/apps/more apps/ |
| 19:14.08 | jsun | thanks, ibot. |
| 19:14.10 | jsun | :) |
| 19:42.32 | jsun | hmm, I just downloaded familiar-0.8.3-OE-tree.tar.bz2 and untar'ed it. |
| 19:42.42 | jsun | anybody can give me a clue as what I should do next? |
| 19:43.00 | jsun | I have already bitbake installed, etc.. |
| 19:43.17 | jsun | I suppose I really need to the local.conf for familiar build. |
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| 20:03.34 | jsun | ok, let me ask a different question. |
| 20:03.41 | jsun | how can one rebuilt familiar 0.8.2 release? |
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| 21:26.23 | jsun | another try :) |
| 21:26.35 | jsun | how do people build familiar distro from source? |
| 21:26.47 | jsun | how can I re-create that? |
| 21:27.12 | jsun | I hope it is not a dark magic that is hidden deep inside a couple of people's mind ... |
| 21:36.55 | reenoo | bitbake <target> |
| 21:37.40 | jsun | which oe snapshot I should use? |
| 21:37.44 | jsun | which conf file? |
| 21:38.30 | jsun | I downloaded org.openembedded.oz354fam083, (which is a snapshot for 0.8.3 I suppose) |
| 21:38.58 | jsun | hacked some config options (familiar 0.8.3 on h3900) |
| 21:39.09 | jsun | the build failed in building glibc. |
| 21:39.14 | reenoo | org.openembedded.oz354fam083 is the release branch, so that's correct |
| 21:39.33 | jsun | good to know that. :) |
| 21:39.48 | jsun | btw, 0.8.3 is *not* released, right? |
| 21:39.55 | jsun | which config file I should use? |
| 21:40.31 | reenoo | not officially released no |
| 21:41.14 | jsun | I looked at conf/local.conf, there is really not too many options there. |
| 21:41.43 | jsun | I chose "h3900" for MACHINE and "familiar-0.8.3" for DISTRO. |
| 21:41.47 | reenoo | what do you mean by which config file? you'll need to come up with your own local.conf. best copy local.conf.sample over to your build tree and modify it to reflect your setup |
| 21:41.50 | jsun | target_OS="linux" |
| 21:42.07 | jsun | yes that is what I did. |
| 21:42.23 | jsun | how glibc failed to build, which makes me wonder where it went wrong ... |
| 21:43.48 | jsun | here is the build error: |
| 21:43.59 | jsun | | In file included from ./bits/types.h:28, |
| 21:43.59 | jsun | | from ./posix/sys/types.h:31, |
| 21:43.59 | jsun | | from include/sys/types.h:1, |
| 21:43.59 | jsun | | from misc/sys/uio.h:24, |
| 21:43.59 | jsun | | from <stdin>:3: |
| 21:44.00 | jsun | | ./bits/wordsize.h:1:2: #error "This file must be written based on the data type sizes of the target" |
| 21:44.02 | jsun | | In file included from ./posix/sys/types.h:31, |
| 21:44.04 | jsun | | from include/sys/types.h:1, |
| 21:44.06 | jsun | | from misc/sys/uio.h:24, |
| 21:44.08 | jsun | | from <stdin>:3: |
| 21:44.10 | jsun | | ./bits/types.h:132:3: #error |
| 21:44.12 | jsun | | In file included from ./string/endian.h:37, |
| 21:44.16 | jsun | | from include/endian.h:1, |
| 21:44.18 | jsun | | from ./posix/sys/types.h:213, |
| 21:44.20 | jsun | | from include/sys/types.h:1, |
| 21:44.22 | jsun | | from misc/sys/uio.h:24, |
| 21:44.24 | jsun | | from <stdin>:3: |
| 21:44.26 | jsun | | ./bits/endian.h:13:2: #error Machine byte order unknown. |
| 21:44.28 | jsun | | make[1]: *** [/home/jsun/build/familiar/build-0.8.3/build-h3900-linux24/tmp/work/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0/build-arm-linux/bits/stdio_lim.st] Error 1 |
| 21:44.31 | jsun | it looks like some kind of configuration problem to me ... |
| 21:46.48 | jsun | reenoo, do you have a config that works for org.openembedded.oz354fam083? Perhaps I can copy yours and modify for my host... |
| 21:48.17 | reenoo | well. you can split things up. bitbake will happily parse auto.conf, site.conf, etc. |
| 21:50.08 | reenoo | as for my local.conf, it's a local.conf.sample adjusted to my build paths etc. the diff is minimal |
| 21:50.52 | jsun | what is your MACHINE, DISTRO and TARGET_OS? |
| 21:51.46 | reenoo | DISTRO = "familiar-0.8.3" |
| 21:52.00 | reenoo | MACHINE depends on the... machine I build for |
| 21:52.09 | reenoo | TARGET_OS is set automatically |
| 21:53.11 | jsun | ok, which MACHINE is known to be working with the snapshot? |
| 21:54.08 | jsun | btw, the snapshot I got is from http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/familiar-0.8.3-OE-tree.tar.bz2 |
| 21:54.32 | jsun | the actual date is dec 29, 2005. |
| 21:54.38 | reenoo | hmm |
| 21:54.39 | jsun | not sure if it is too old or not. |
| 21:54.42 | reenoo | sounds bogus |
| 21:54.49 | reenoo | should remove that file I guess |
| 21:55.04 | jsun | from source page, you mean? |
| 21:56.48 | reenoo | handhelds.org/~rw/org.openembedded.oz354fam083.rw-20060318.tar.bz2 |
| 21:56.50 | reenoo | try that |
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| 22:03.27 | jsun | reenoo, thanks! |
| 22:40.00 | jsun | reenoo, is CVS_TARBALL_STASH in conf/local.conf significant? |
| 22:40.15 | jsun | the default in OE tree is http://www.oesources.org/source/current. |
| 22:40.31 | jsun | I am thinking maybe I should re-target it to familiar source instead ... |
| 22:40.44 | jsun | btw, I just had another error with your snapshot ... |
| 22:41.19 | jsun | it is in the middle of building qemu-native. |
| 22:43.48 | reenoo | what's your host gcc version? |
| 22:44.54 | jsun | 4.0 |
| 22:45.06 | jsun | gcc version 4.0.0 20050519 (Red Hat 4.0.0-8) |
| 22:48.34 | reenoo | that would be a problem for qemu-native |
| 22:48.50 | reenoo | and probably for the rest of the build as well |
| 22:49.05 | jsun | is it too new? |
| 22:49.12 | jsun | I am using FC4. |
| 22:49.14 | reenoo | yes |
| 22:49.21 | jsun | maybe I should go back to FC3 or something? |
| 22:50.28 | reenoo | well. you probably need a gcc 3.3 or 3.4 |
| 22:50.41 | jsun | what about CVS_TARBALL_STASH? is this setting important? |
| 22:51.06 | reenoo | shouldn't result in build errors |
| 22:51.22 | jsun | I see. |
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