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| 02:08.32 | Thump | has anyone gotten the hardware keys to work with 8.4 rc2 and opie? it works with GPE |
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| 11:59.35 | tryer | hi |
| 12:04.14 | tryer | can anybody help me with an hp ipaq 5550? when i flash the rom a message with "match_type set to 203 = 0xcb" and the next message says that the flash is ok but when i push joypad and reset the handheld snoozes by a moment, the display is "in pause" and i can't connect trought COM conexion, thanks a lot (and sorry for my english =)) |
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| 12:06.52 | tryer | hi jg |
| 12:07.02 | jg | tryer: hi |
| 12:07.31 | tryer | jg, can you help me with an ipaq 5550? |
| 12:08.17 | tryer | i can not connect by the COM conection |
| 12:08.27 | jg | tryer: unlikely but possible. |
| 12:08.32 | jg | ddunno |
| 12:09.12 | tryer | jg allow querys? |
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| 17:45.40 | anthonyg | anyone know the status of ipaq hx2495? |
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| 18:23.41 | reenoo | evening |
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| 21:29.37 | Thump | Reenoo can you answer a question about APM? |
| 21:30.08 | reenoo | I don't know. what's the question? |
| 21:31.38 | reenoo | (just ask. I'll try to answer. I just can't tell in advance whether I'll be able to answer it...) |
| 21:31.52 | Thump | well I noticed opie's battery status is looking for /proc/hal/battery I am assuming that apm is to generate this but it only has a file /proc/apm, but it does have the info on hte battery in there. |
| 21:32.28 | reenoo | ah, hmm. which device is that? |
| 21:32.34 | Thump | is that the way it is supossed to be? does opies battery status monitor need to be rewritten to use the apm file? |
| 21:32.37 | Thump | the h2200 |
| 21:33.13 | reenoo | ah, that explains it. I guess someone needs to teach opie to read from the right files on h2200 |
| 21:33.20 | Thump | ok |
| 21:33.38 | Thump | I thought about doing that but didn't want to reinvent the wheel |
| 21:34.45 | Thump | most things seem to be working but the battery status monitor, the bluetooth lancher (it thinks bluetooth is always on) and the buttons |
| 21:35.09 | reenoo | the ODevice for h2200 implementation is incomplete AFAIK |
| 21:35.23 | reenoo | have a look at http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/libopie2/opiecore/device/ if you want to work on that |
| 21:35.29 | Thump | AFAIK? |
| 21:35.38 | reenoo | as far as I know |
| 21:36.03 | Thump | lol no, what does AFAIK mean? |
| 21:36.35 | reenoo | AFAIK == as far as I know |
| 21:36.39 | Thump | ah |
| 21:37.33 | Thump | GPE actually works very well, even understands the buttons. but I have not been able to find any extra apps out there like there is for opie |
| 21:37.59 | reenoo | what type of extra apps? |
| 21:38.08 | Thump | games etc |
| 21:38.36 | Thump | every time I try to search for them in google, it just talks about the GPE environment itself |
| 21:38.51 | Thump | lol anything really |
| 21:39.00 | Thump | whats a PPC without apps. :-D |
| 21:39.26 | Thump | I do have to admit I do like the looks of Opie better. |
| 21:40.54 | reenoo | well. unlike with Opie you usually don't have to do any significant porting to run stuff under GPE. so, searching for opie-* will always return more hits |
| 21:41.06 | Thump | I have a h2200 and a 4700, sold my 3900 :-( the 4700 it gets a "Cannot mount file system" and kernel panics |
| 21:41.28 | Thump | I can just run linux apps under GPE? |
| 21:41.49 | reenoo | any X application should basically work (minus screen size) |
| 21:42.32 | Thump | lol should have tried it, do you have to compile it or can you get away with just running it? with limitations of course. |
| 21:43.14 | reenoo | you need ARM binaries. if there's a Familiar or Debian package you can just run it |
| 21:43.24 | Thump | cool |
| 21:44.14 | Thump | I haven't gotten sound out of GPE it says it there, but with the new h2200 kernel and modules opie is giving me sound, finally |
| 21:45.10 | Thump | the most annoying thing is lack of buttons, I can suspend by clicking the O then suspend then wake it up by hitting power, but no other buttons work |
| 21:45.10 | reenoo | does it work with GPE as well now? otherwise please file a bug. |
| 21:45.42 | reenoo | s/it work/sound work |
| 21:45.48 | Thump | I haven't tried it with the new kernel, just installed it last night |
| 21:46.43 | Thump | I found an 8.3 release that everything seemed to work, thats when I realized I was missing kernel modules so went hunting them last night |
| 21:47.27 | Thump | I'm running lab so I can just pop a version on cf or sd and just reboot. |
| 21:47.59 | reenoo | hmm, that reminds me... I should make -rc2.3 available |
| 21:48.11 | Thump | oh please |
| 21:48.34 | reenoo | (fixed the symlink breakage and kernel module version mismatches) |
| 21:49.34 | Thump | It took me a day to figure out why I was getting formatting issues, was driving me nuts until it dawned on me "hey this is linux,check the fstab" and sure enough it was not pointing at the right media for the root. |
| 21:50.17 | Thump | so I just set it for whichever it's on sd or cf and it makes it a happy boy, 1-2 minute boot instead of 10-15 :-) |
| 21:51.02 | reenoo | is that in LAB or in the image? |
| 21:51.09 | Thump | I am so impressed with what you all have done, thank you, and thank all your friends for me |
| 21:51.12 | Thump | the image |
| 21:51.28 | reenoo | ah, hmm |
| 21:51.30 | Thump | it is set by default to dump to the built in flash |
| 21:51.47 | Thump | but since I have it on sd I had to set the sd card as / |
| 21:52.39 | Thump | and the versions I have running on cf I just moun /dev/hda1 as / (no other partitions on th card) |
| 21:53.14 | Thump | and just comment out the internal flash mount, seems to make it very happy |
| 21:53.58 | reenoo | but you use the .tar.bz2 for that, right? in that case it can be changed easily, we just need to document it. |
| 21:54.08 | Thump | yup |
| 21:54.27 | reenoo | ok |
| 21:55.05 | reenoo | actually I think / can point to /dev/root, but I'll discuss that with mreimer |
| 21:57.16 | Thump | yeah just rebooted, took 1 minute 28 seconds. vs before I could go watch tv |
| 21:58.09 | Thump | I installed everything to internal flash once, which was ok, but very limited on space, so I went the way of sd, cf cards |
| 21:58.30 | Thump | does familiar only work on ipaqs? |
| 21:59.10 | reenoo | Familiar traditionally supports iPAQs best, yeah |
| 21:59.44 | Thump | I lost my 4700 so I am stuck with my old h2200, my wife still has her 4700, but I was wanting to get a new unit and I wanted my vga back but Ipaq doesn't make the 4700 anymore and I don't see any other vga units from them |
| 21:59.58 | Thump | dell has one though, but I don't really want a dell |
| 22:00.27 | Thump | any recomondations? |
| 22:01.23 | reenoo | hmm, some shops still have hx4700s in stock (at least they do here in .de) |
| 22:01.44 | Thump | I really like my 4700, pisses me off that it disappeared from inside my own house. (someone helped themselves to it) |
| 22:02.19 | Thump | had a 32x 1 gig sd card in it too... grrrrrrr. |
| 22:03.13 | reenoo | other VGA devices would be the Nokia 770 and the clamshell Zaurus models. but the 770 is still kind of proprietary (they haven't released everything) and the Zs lack connectivity |
| 22:04.07 | Thump | ah just remembered what else doesn't work in opie but works in gpe is the brightness control, but I haven't looked at it yet |
| 22:05.18 | Thump | I got a little confused, if I go to sys/class/backlight and change the value in the file that the light changes, is that all opie changes? |
| 22:05.48 | Thump | or does it interact with something else? |
| 22:06.13 | reenoo | no, that's all that needs to be done on most Linux 2.6 devices |
| 22:06.38 | reenoo | another missing bit in the h2200 ODevice implementation... |
| 22:06.42 | Thump | ok will look at the source and see why it doesn't do anything on the h2200. |
| 22:06.55 | Thump | if I get it working who do I tell or send things too? |
| 22:07.59 | reenoo | best file a bug in bugzilla (bugzilla.handhelds.org) and attach a patch |
| 22:08.07 | Thump | ah ok |
| 22:09.06 | Thump | well if you or anyone else need anything tested on a h2200 or a hx4700 (when the wifes not looking) let me know I will be happy to do it |
| 22:10.41 | reenoo | I'm building new install kits for h2200 and hx4700 right now. if you could give them a try and file bugs for anything that doesn't work, I will appreciate that :) |
| 22:10.52 | Thump | no problem |
| 22:11.23 | Thump | if you want me to try something you can also get me at rt2010@comcast.net |
| 22:11.53 | reenoo | ok, great :) |
| 22:12.06 | Thump | in between jobs right now so lots of time on my hands...... not very many programming jobs around here. |
| 22:13.24 | reenoo | oh, sorry to hear that. hope you'll find something new soon. |
| 22:15.20 | Thump | lol |
| 22:15.38 | Thump | so what system do you have? |
| 22:16.08 | reenoo | PDA you mean? iPAQ h3870 |
| 22:17.16 | Thump | could you do me a huge favor when you get a minute could you send me a email with the contents of your /proc/apm and /proc/hal/battery? I work better when I see what it was and then what it should be looking for now. |
| 22:18.07 | reenoo | sure. as soon as the updated install kits are done |
| 22:18.09 | Thump | cause I think I see what is wrong with the brightness applet as well, it is expecting values in apm that aren't in mine |
| 22:18.13 | Thump | ok |
| 22:18.42 | Thump | it would be nice to see what it is expecting and where. |
| 22:19.07 | Thump | lol reading the code and seeing the actual file are two diff. things |
| 22:24.29 | Thump | like now, my apm reads: 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 100% 371 min |
| 22:25.15 | reenoo | yah, I suspect the code you're looking at expects to run on a 2.4 kernel |
| 22:25.48 | reenoo | the format has changed with 2.6 (unless I'm mixing something up now) |
| 22:25.49 | emte | should be listening to dbus then an not looking for apm :) |
| 22:25.55 | Thump | I dumped the CVS of opie figured it would be the newest |
| 22:27.04 | reenoo | Thump: for hx4700, is the homefs.jffs2 required or optional? |
| 22:27.52 | Thump | dunno, haven't got it to go very far, it kernel failures pretty quick lemme grab it and I will test it again |
| 22:29.11 | Thump | lol I just got the "Now your not going to hurt it right???" lol |
| 22:29.33 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:30.48 | Thump | I use haret.exe on hers so she can still use it when I am not playing with it |
| 22:31.35 | reenoo | ah, right. that's a different story anyway I think. |
| 22:32.16 | Thump | yeah h2200 and hx4700 are very limited on bootloaders. :-( |
| 22:33.30 | Thump | and if I put lab on hers she'd kill me. :-) |
| 22:34.18 | reenoo | the original bootloader is fine on the hx4700 |
| 22:34.49 | reenoo | it can boot linux from flash and allows restoring windows from a backup on SD |
| 22:34.53 | Thump | the one that everyone uses for the 3900 and stuff? I read it kills the h2200 |
| 22:35.11 | reenoo | no, the factory installed one |
| 22:35.15 | Thump | ah |
| 22:37.21 | Thump | oh and the other thing I have to fix to make lab work is to fix the zImage link pointing it to ./zImage-2.6.15-hh1 instead of /boot/zImage-2.6.15-hh1 since it has not booted it yet pointing to /boot it can't find it |
| 22:37.36 | reenoo | yah, -rc2.3 fixes that |
| 22:37.51 | Thump | cool |
| 22:49.28 | Thump | sorry wife side tracked me, she needed help on a website she is writing |
| 22:52.03 | Thump | as far as I can ever get to booting her hx4700 with familiar it crashes with "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 22:52.20 | Thump | same error if I try to boot from sd or cf |
| 22:59.39 | Thump | getting the 2.3 tar now to try |
| 23:00.42 | reenoo | please restart the download. I had to regenerate it one more time |
| 23:02.10 | Thump | ok |
| 23:04.15 | Thump | you said earlier that the hx4700 original bootloader can load linux? how? |
| 23:05.19 | reenoo | that's not quite correct actually. as I understand it it can load a second stage bootloader (sdg systems' bootldr variant) which can load linux |
| 23:05.35 | Thump | ah ok |
| 23:06.03 | Thump | yes the h2200 bootloader can load a seperate 2nd stage, like lab |
| 23:06.26 | Thump | but lab cannot boot into windows if you leave it in flash. :-( |
| 23:08.16 | reenoo | ok, install kits built. all files in place. symlinks adjusted. |
| 23:14.24 | Thump | on the hx4700 zimage still points to /boot/zImag...... instead of ./zimage...... which breaks lab |
| 23:15.11 | reenoo | I don't think LAB works on hx4700 |
| 23:15.49 | Thump | dunno, habbit, I have untarred and played around so much this last week I am stuck into a habbitt of checking it, |
| 23:16.02 | reenoo | hehe :) |
| 23:17.26 | Thump | the fstab is full of stuff not normally there like nfs mounts and mounts for the cf card of partitions that may not be there hda1, hda3, & hda4 |
| 23:17.34 | Thump | and a dvd recorder |
| 23:18.00 | Thump | shit oops nm |
| 23:18.15 | Thump | went to cd /etc not cd etc, lol |
| 23:18.48 | Thump | I have screwed myself up a couple of times that way, just caught it that thas was MY fstab |
| 23:33.41 | Thump | ok I am still getting the kernel panic on the 4700, has anyone gotten the 4700 to boot with haret? |