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| 00:57.28 | TheBugfindingFox | Rather |
| 00:59.14 | TheBugfindingFox | WiFi... 5550... I found the antennae, I turned the antennae on, I found my network, I tried to connect (no WEP) and it went "BLARG! NO NETWORK FOR YOU!!!", in a rather more polite tone. any suggestions? |
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| 01:03.09 | P_Kable | Hi I used familiar for 1 year and I decided to reload the defaut windows bootldr on my ipaq 3970, i did that using activesync and I start bootblaster and selected the saved_bootldr.bin, after reset NOTHING comes up, i have a dark-grey screen, I can't even load the bootldr ! Any solution PLEASE ... |
| 01:05.06 | TheBugfindingFox | Oh... I saw the "I bricked it" solution page here SOMEWHERE, gimme a sec |
| 01:07.16 | TheBugfindingFox | Alright, well, from what little I've learned over the past 2 days... |
| 01:07.41 | TheBugfindingFox | Have you tried access... oh, right... nevermind >.< |
| 01:07.50 | TheBugfindingFox | You don't have the linux kernel anymore |
| 01:08.28 | TheBugfindingFox | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RecoverBrickedIpaq |
| 01:08.34 | TheBugfindingFox | That might work |
| 01:12.59 | cat-xeger | Wow. People! |
| 01:13.31 | TheBugfindingFox | What, only 3 of us |
| 01:14.20 | TheBugfindingFox | btw, cat-xeger, having a bit of a WiFi problem.... (and my main user, not root, crashing half the time, but I'm sure an update will fix that if I can get the wifi to work) ... any help? |
| 01:14.55 | cat-xeger | Hm. I'm not sure... |
| 01:14.56 | TheBugfindingFox | And yes, I have wifi, it's built-in along with bluetooth |
| 01:15.08 | TheBugfindingFox | but it won't connect ;.; |
| 01:15.16 | cat-xeger | do you have both tx and rx on? |
| 01:15.46 | cat-xeger | Well - I've got at least one card that doesn't turn on tx automatically |
| 01:15.51 | TheBugfindingFox | Alright, sorry. The only linux/unix I ever took was for a course in college. Treat me like a small child |
| 01:16.08 | TheBugfindingFox | Explain this in 6-year-old terms. |
| 01:16.35 | cat-xeger | Okay - so your wireless card needs to be able to transmit and receive |
| 01:16.41 | TheBugfindingFox | yup! |
| 01:17.01 | TheBugfindingFox | tx is the transmit and rx is the recieving? |
| 01:17.12 | cat-xeger | -nod- |
| 01:17.33 | P_Kable | i'm back sry |
| 01:17.39 | TheBugfindingFox | Alright, that familliarizes me with the terms. So, how do I make sure they're on |
| 01:17.48 | TheBugfindingFox | no problem P_Kable, check out the link above |
| 01:17.50 | cat-xeger | Do you know what driver you're using? |
| 01:17.57 | TheBugfindingFox | No >.< |
| 01:18.09 | TheBugfindingFox | Probably the default one that came with the machine |
| 01:18.17 | P_Kable | damn it I already called hp and they charged me 49$ for a phone call |
| 01:18.20 | P_Kable | grrrrrrrrrrr :-( |
| 01:18.32 | TheBugfindingFox | That's Hewlette Packard for ya. |
| 01:18.43 | cat-xeger | Hey - they gotta make money to pay me somehow. |
| 01:18.54 | TheBugfindingFox | You work there cat-xeger? |
| 01:19.01 | cat-xeger | Some days. |
| 01:19.07 | TheBugfindingFox | Ah |
| 01:19.07 | cat-xeger | ... some days I sit there |
| 01:19.17 | cat-xeger | do you have iwconfig ? |
| 01:19.26 | P_Kable | gonna check that page |
| 01:19.29 | TheBugfindingFox | I can try opening it on the console... |
| 01:19.34 | cat-xeger | k. |
| 01:20.03 | TheBugfindingFox | yes, I do |
| 01:20.10 | cat-xeger | ... so what does it say? |
| 01:20.10 | TheBugfindingFox | wlan0: |
| 01:20.34 | TheBugfindingFox | That it has an Encryption key!? |
| 01:20.49 | cat-xeger | Do you have access to a pastebot? |
| 01:21.12 | TheBugfindingFox | IRC and the computer with the serial port are different machines |
| 01:21.26 | TheBugfindingFox | I'm running a laptop to talk and a desktop to run console |
| 01:21.52 | TheBugfindingFox | IEEE 802.11-OS... |
| 01:22.07 | cat-xeger | Ahhh. |
| 01:22.09 | TheBugfindingFox | Signal seems a bit weak, 62/255 |
| 01:22.32 | TheBugfindingFox | Oh, wait a second |
| 01:22.38 | TheBugfindingFox | it seems to be saying it's connected! |
| 01:22.43 | cat-xeger | Heh. |
| 01:22.54 | cat-xeger | Are you using dhcp, and not running a dhcp client |
| 01:23.19 | TheBugfindingFox | No, the ipaq should be running dhcp, I told it to in it's configuration |
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| 01:23.32 | TheBugfindingFox | Mind you that's a "should" |
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| 01:23.44 | TheBugfindingFox | it "should" do a lot of things, like reboot when I tell it to |
| 01:23.56 | cat-xeger | I was about to say "are you sure" |
| 01:24.35 | TheBugfindingFox | Yeah, windows-geeks never trust their OS |
| 01:24.45 | cat-xeger | Heh. |
| 01:24.52 | cat-xeger | Well - I'm not at all a windows geek, and don't trust my OS |
| 01:25.30 | TheBugfindingFox | At work I'm always like "okay, let's run ONE more test" when I'm making sure an office suite has installed properly, THAT'S how much I don't trust it |
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| 01:25.52 | cat-xeger | Heh. |
| 01:26.03 | TheBugfindingFox | Alright, so, how do I ensure now? |
| 01:26.29 | TheBugfindingFox | Better yet, what's a good test? |
| 01:27.09 | cat-xeger | ps -eaf ? |
| 01:27.12 | cat-xeger | ... to check |
| 01:28.03 | TheBugfindingFox | To check to see if it can access the network, which it can't because the updater won't work |
| 01:28.27 | TheBugfindingFox | Alrigh, what am I looking for there? |
| 01:28.44 | cat-xeger | okay - so - what does 'ifconfig wlan0' say |
| 01:29.12 | TheBugfindingFox | To wit: |
| 01:29.41 | TheBugfindingFox | Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:8A:DB:93:9F |
| 01:30.16 | TheBugfindingFox | inet6 addr: fe80::202:8aff:febd:939e/64 Scope:Link |
| 01:30.36 | TheBugfindingFox | UP BROADCAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 01:31.00 | cat-xeger | k. That's enough. |
| 01:31.07 | TheBugfindingFox | RX packets:0 (um...) errors:0 (ns) dropped:0 (again...) |
| 01:31.08 | TheBugfindingFox | Alright |
| 01:31.13 | cat-xeger | if you do 'ps -eaf | grep dhcp' do you get anything? |
| 01:32.23 | TheBugfindingFox | Two lines came out through that... UDHCPC -b -p /var/run/udhcpc.wlan0.pid -i wlan0 -H TO and the query line |
| 01:33.14 | cat-xeger | Hm. Try 'ifdown wlan0' and 'ifup wlan0' |
| 01:33.18 | cat-xeger | (bouncing the interface) |
| 01:33.36 | TheBugfindingFox | Sending discover... |
| 01:33.45 | TheBugfindingFox | No lease. Forking to bacground. |
| 01:33.57 | TheBugfindingFox | Interesting way of putting that... forking... |
| 01:34.17 | cat-xeger | Heh. It's like a fork in the road. |
| 01:34.28 | cat-xeger | ... one goes off to do other things, while you continue |
| 01:34.38 | P_Kable | arf mine looks REALLY bricked, it seems like the bootldr has been corrupted cuz nothing works |
| 01:34.47 | TheBugfindingFox | Ow... |
| 01:34.55 | TheBugfindingFox | I mean, HOW |
| 01:34.55 | P_Kable | that suxxx |
| 01:34.59 | TheBugfindingFox | *OW |
| 01:35.03 | P_Kable | dunno |
| 01:35.13 | TheBugfindingFox | Oh, you told us how |
| 01:35.22 | TheBugfindingFox | just yeah, that bites |
| 01:36.14 | P_Kable | i just tried to restore the bootldr and after reset => dark-grey screen |
| 01:36.15 | thejapa | P_Kable: do you have access to serial interface? else you maybe jumping at worst case without trying all your options. (I can't help much more than that though) |
| 01:36.20 | P_Kable | not even |
| 01:36.55 | TheBugfindingFox | Yeah, you should get SOME kind of bootscreen. Does it buzz at least? |
| 01:37.06 | cat-xeger | Hard reset or soft reset? |
| 01:37.11 | P_Kable | i tried to plug it on serial and I start hyperterminal with the good settings but what should I do after ? |
| 01:37.16 | P_Kable | I did that cat-xeger |
| 01:37.30 | cat-xeger | I'm just wondering if you did both or either. |
| 01:37.35 | P_Kable | both |
| 01:37.47 | cat-xeger | -nod- |
| 01:38.18 | cat-xeger | Fox - asking the obvious... are you sure your dhcp server is serving? |
| 01:38.43 | cat-xeger | ... and are you able to snoop/sniff/run ethereal, to see if you see anything. |
| 01:38.46 | P_Kable | what about the serial connection ? it's connected right now but I don't see anything in the prompt, is there anything "special" to do ? |
| 01:39.02 | TheBugfindingFox | I'm on my laptop |
| 01:39.08 | TheBugfindingFox | It's on the WiFi network |
| 01:39.12 | TheBugfindingFox | I'm damn sure it's serving :P |
| 01:39.20 | cat-xeger | Okay - so run ethereal against it, to see if you see anything |
| 01:39.41 | TheBugfindingFox | Ethereal..? |
| 01:40.18 | cat-xeger | Fox - it's a program that lets you sniff for packets, so you can see if the ipaq's sending out anything |
| 01:40.21 | TheBugfindingFox | LinuxApps == 'Unknown for the most-part' |
| 01:40.36 | TheBugfindingFox | Well IT says it is, where can I find it? |
| 01:41.03 | cat-xeger | it'd be for your laptop |
| 01:41.33 | cat-xeger | http://www.wireshark.org/ |
| 01:41.40 | cat-xeger | (sorry - name changed recently, and i'd forgotten) |
| 01:45.22 | P_Kable | seriously that fucked my day ... Is there a way to paste a new rom via serial ? How ymodem transfer works ? |
| 01:47.09 | thejapa | on hyperterminal? no idea. on minicom, you open it's menu, choose ymodem upload, choose file and it starts trying to send |
| 01:47.40 | P_Kable | i don't even have a prompt so i think it's lost ... Anyway I did backup everything before messing it up |
| 01:48.25 | P_Kable | i have minicom here, I wanna try, but if i don't have a prompt it won't work right ? |
| 01:48.50 | thejapa | it's "nighttime" for most users now. don't despair. if we can't help you now, maybe you can try it in like, 8 hours |
| 01:49.12 | thejapa | i have no idea, mine is a h2200 it is very different from other models |
| 01:49.29 | cat-xeger | thejapa - know anything about unpacking kernel+ramdisk images and putting them back together |
| 01:51.11 | thejapa | cat-xeger: no, sorry. gotta eat something, pizza arrived |
| 01:51.12 | thejapa | brb |
| 01:52.32 | cat-xeger | *grin* |
| 01:54.28 | TheBugfindingFox | Son of a @#$@ won'tt download -.- |
| 01:55.01 | cat-xeger | heh. |
| 01:55.06 | TheBugfindingFox | Wait one, there it goes |
| 01:55.11 | TheBugfindingFox | Sourceforge is toasty right now though |
| 01:55.13 | cat-xeger | fox - if you don't know what yak shaving is, look it up in the jargon file... |
| 01:55.48 | TheBugfindingFox | yak shaving? I don't know about yak shaving, only dying-yak-snoring... which apparently describes mine |
| 01:56.15 | cat-xeger | heh. |
| 01:56.35 | TheBugfindingFox | bollocks, gotta head to bed soon |
| 01:56.44 | TheBugfindingFox | Oh well, I'll be on again tommorrow... really late |
| 01:56.53 | cat-xeger | -nod- |
| 01:56.56 | cat-xeger | g'night, g'luck |
| 01:56.56 | TheBugfindingFox | Pub night + birthday + raid night! w00000t! |
| 01:57.06 | TheBugfindingFox | Eh, thanks |
| 01:57.12 | TheBugfindingFox | And gl with P_Kable's brick |
| 01:57.21 | TheBugfindingFox | He'll need it |
| 01:57.24 | P_Kable | ? |
| 01:57.36 | P_Kable | thx |
| 01:57.44 | P_Kable | \0/ |
| 01:57.46 | TheBugfindingFox | no problem |
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| 03:34.01 | toresbe | hey guys |
| 03:34.10 | toresbe | I'm typing this from a Jornada 720 :) |
| 03:34.18 | toresbe | I have a problem though |
| 03:34.36 | toresbe | My root filesystem is ext2 |
| 03:34.57 | toresbe | the 2.6.11-hh1 kernel packages this as an external module... |
| 03:35.07 | toresbe | Anything I can do about that? |
| 03:40.33 | P_Kable | dunno |
| 03:40.52 | P_Kable | opie ? |
| 03:41.02 | toresbe | ....huh? |
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| 03:41.11 | P_Kable | what distro ? |
| 03:41.22 | toresbe | What does that matter? |
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| 03:42.22 | P_Kable | jsu to have an idea |
| 03:42.32 | toresbe | "My car won't start!" -"What colour is it?" |
| 03:42.42 | toresbe | :P |
| 03:42.45 | P_Kable | lol |
| 03:43.16 | toresbe | It's Familiar, opie, ifI'm not mistaken. |
| 03:43.41 | P_Kable | you should say my car doesn't start, what model is this ? It's is more appropeiate to my initial question |
| 03:44.07 | P_Kable | or even what is the engine inside ;-) |
| 03:44.07 | toresbe | Well, the kernel level is all the same on both, isn't it? |
| 03:44.13 | P_Kable | sure |
| 03:44.21 | toresbe | Does opie and gpe have different kernels? |
| 03:44.27 | P_Kable | did you try to look for similar problems online ? |
| 03:44.54 | P_Kable | no it is the same kernel |
| 03:46.27 | toresbe | OK, then. No, I ddidn't, but I don't think this is a common problem |
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| 03:47.14 | P_Kable | no i never heard that before but who knows maybe you'll find what you need somewhere |
| 03:47.19 | toresbe | I'lkl have to commandeer some laptophere and use a livecd to convert the CF system to jffs2. |
| 03:47.36 | toresbe | Hmm. |
| 03:47.59 | toresbe | Is there any way to create an initrd from the module packages themselves? |
| 03:48.14 | P_Kable | i dunno |
| 03:51.28 | toresbe | Anyone here know theworkings of creating an initrd,then? |
| 03:57.10 | toresbe | Apologees for typos, btw.THis keyboard is a bit small. |
| 03:57.27 | toresbe | I miss a real keyboard, but I'm out and about touristing, and this is all I've got. |
| 03:57.37 | toresbe | Problem is, the 2.4 kernels are pretty bado n this device |
| 04:08.58 | toresbe | Hmmm... |
| 04:09.27 | toresbe | ....hrmph... |
| 04:10.41 | toresbe | ...hmhmhm.... |
| 04:20.03 | cat-xeger | toresbe - yes, kinda, but not in a way that'd be more useful than google |
| 04:21.46 | toresbe | cat-xeger: Please indulge me briefly? Google is notfun on this thing |
| 04:22.05 | toresbe | *shudder* links on an 80x30awufl LCD display |
| 04:22.33 | cat-xeger | toresbe - sorry. I have to be awake again far too soon, and can barely type. I only comment so you know teh informaiton is out there |
| 04:22.38 | cat-xeger | ... not becaues i have links handy. |
| 04:22.56 | toresbe | heh |
| 04:23.02 | toresbe | OK. Good night... |
| 04:24.56 | cat-xeger | g'ngiht. |
| 04:27.58 | toresbe | hmm |
| 04:27.58 | toresbe | m |
| 04:28.48 | toresbe | all it yielded was a redhat guide to a shell script |
| 04:29.29 | thejapa | toresbe: can't help you much, but you should check linux from scratch guide. it must tell how to mess with initrd |
| 04:29.39 | thejapa | can't offer much more help than that now, sorry |
| 04:29.46 | toresbe | that's a decent idea, thanks. |
| 04:30.14 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.00 | emte | toresbe, how do you have ext2 in familiar? |
| 04:40.26 | cat-xeger | http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/doc/suse/sles9/adminguide-sles9/ch10s03.html |
| 04:40.28 | cat-xeger | 'night |
| 04:40.31 | emte | all the familiar images should be jffs2 |
| 04:41.20 | emte | unless .... its pre 6 |
| 04:51.18 | toresbe | emte: I didn't innstall an image |
| 04:51.22 | toresbe | I installed a tarball |
| 04:51.31 | toresbe | out of habit I makde an ext2 fs |
| 04:55.41 | toresbe | hrmph |
| 04:57.36 | thejapa | toresbe: stop that, grumpa. :PPP |
| 04:57.45 | toresbe | Sorry :P |
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