| 01:37.50 | *** join/#familiar bluelightning (n=blueligh@222-155-156-48.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 03:36.47 | *** join/#familiar aquadran_ (n=pablo@scummvm/undead/aquadran) |
| 04:22.41 | *** join/#familiar france_ (n=france@pool-141-154-238-229.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 05:25.21 | *** join/#familiar zest (n=dima@87.226.9.7) |
| 07:21.15 | *** join/#familiar goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@9.80-202-160.nextgentel.com) |
| 08:09.10 | *** join/#familiar Marex (n=Marex@213.194.240.165) |
| 09:20.04 | *** join/#familiar pleemans (n=peter@d54C248DE.access.telenet.be) |
| 10:48.15 | *** join/#familiar Ge0rgy (n=Christop@p54A112DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:51.36 | *** join/#familiar ints____g (n=gints@62.84.15.211) |
| 11:40.23 | *** part/#familiar Georgy_away (n=Christop@p54A112DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:57.49 | *** join/#familiar zest (n=dima@87.226.9.7) |
| 13:19.57 | *** join/#familiar Blackhex (n=Blackhex@gwfm-1.9-208.802.cz) |
| 13:20.41 | *** part/#familiar Blackhex (n=Blackhex@gwfm-1.9-208.802.cz) |
| 13:30.17 | *** join/#familiar jg (n=jg@c-24-218-178-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 14:33.50 | *** join/#familiar Marex (n=Marex@213.194.240.165) |
| 14:46.42 | *** join/#familiar pgfeller (n=pgfeller@51.249.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 14:50.24 | *** join/#familiar jg_ (n=jg@c-24-218-178-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 15:24.30 | *** join/#familiar homie (n=cecko@ip-85-160-7-183.eurotel.cz) |
| 15:25.11 | *** join/#familiar goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@9.80-202-160.nextgentel.com) |
| 15:26.32 | *** part/#familiar homie (n=cecko@ip-85-160-7-183.eurotel.cz) |
| 15:27.44 | *** join/#familiar homie (n=cecko@ip-85-160-7-183.eurotel.cz) |
| 16:21.19 | homie | hello, following |
| 16:21.19 | homie | sudo echo "usbnet" > /etc/modutils/usbnet |
| 16:21.19 | homie | bash: /etc/modutils/usbnet: Permission denied |
| 16:22.17 | homie | sorry, following http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UsbNet I tried to do "echo "usbnet" > /etc/modutils/usbnet" |
| 16:22.41 | homie | in my Kubuntu 6.06 |
| 16:23.04 | pgfeller | homie: try to open a full root console with "su" & try again |
| 16:23.45 | homie | I am running Konsole, is it right? |
| 16:24.07 | pgfeller | yep ... type su |
| 16:25.07 | Marex | su & kubuntu doesnt work |
| 16:25.10 | Marex | ubuntu us crap |
| 16:25.12 | Marex | *is |
| 16:25.20 | Marex | pgfeller, you have to use sudo |
| 16:25.22 | Marex | :-/ |
| 16:25.25 | homie | su: Authentication failure |
| 16:25.36 | Marex | homie, sudo xterm |
| 16:25.47 | Marex | homie, or sudo konsole |
| 16:25.57 | Marex | you'll get root term that way |
| 16:26.24 | homie | ok, I've got sudo xterm |
| 16:26.41 | pgfeller | in my experience it is better to troubleshoot with a full root console, than just with sudo (as it somethimes reacts differently) |
| 16:26.58 | pgfeller | home: if you folow the procedure now, do you have still the same problem? |
| 16:27.03 | Marex | pgfeller, yup ... |
| 16:27.17 | Marex | pgfeller, it's better to use debian ;-) |
| 16:27.43 | pgfeller | what do you see if you do "ls -l /etc/modutils/usbnet |
| 16:29.41 | homie | :( No such file or directory |
| 16:30.05 | Marex | isnt modutils 2.4 kernel stuff? |
| 16:31.38 | pgfeller | my system doesn't have the file either (2.6 kernel) ... is the procedure for applicable for your version of the distro? |
| 16:32.35 | homie | I was following Ubuntu 5.10 at http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UsbNet but Debian starts with the same |
| 16:33.48 | pgfeller | maybe your 6 is too recent ... if you plug in your iPAQ, doesn hotplug react? |
| 16:34.07 | Marex | homie, upgrade to 6.06.01 |
| 16:34.14 | Marex | homie, that might help |
| 16:34.23 | Marex | hehe ... or do modprobe usbnet |
| 16:34.23 | Marex | ;) |
| 16:35.12 | homie | Marex, modprobe usbnet doesn't do anything |
| 16:35.12 | pgfeller | yep ... the way section "unsupported distro" in the wiki may help |
| 16:35.35 | pgfeller | home: do "lsmod | grep usb" |
| 16:35.37 | Marex | homie, so that's the prob |
| 16:35.42 | Marex | maybe |
| 16:35.51 | pgfeller | do you see usbnet? |
| 16:35.55 | homie | oh, i'll try "/sbin/modprobe usbnet" |
| 16:36.17 | homie | it doesnt react |
| 16:37.27 | homie | pgfeller: "lsmod | grep usb" says: |
| 16:38.24 | homie | usbnet 17032 1 cdc_subset |
| 16:38.50 | pgfeller | homie: then the usbnet module is already residend in memory |
| 16:38.54 | homie | and some "usbhid" and "usbcore" |
| 16:39.30 | homie | pgfeller: hmm, so is it ok? |
| 16:39.31 | pgfeller | try "/sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200" & then a "ifconfig" |
| 16:39.43 | pgfeller | ... oh - food, have to go |
| 16:39.58 | homie | Bon Apettit |
| 16:40.37 | Marex | homie, try sudo ifconfig usb0 |
| 16:41.05 | Marex | homie, if it prints something out, then it's ok and you can set usb0 as normal netdev |
| 16:41.12 | Marex | pgfeller, enjoy your meal :) |
| 16:42.06 | homie | it says command not found |
| 16:42.36 | homie | oh, it says st. |
| 16:43.12 | Marex | /sbin/ifconfig of sudo ifconfig |
| 16:43.27 | Marex | heh ... or which ifconfig to get the right path ;) |
| 16:44.16 | homie | I've got it, usb0 has got some stuff in here |
| 16:44.52 | Marex | homie, fine |
| 16:45.04 | Marex | then set it up as usual network interface |
| 16:45.29 | homie | Marex: how do I do that? I followed the rest of the howto |
| 16:45.44 | Marex | homie, so it should be described there ... |
| 16:46.01 | Marex | there would be something like ifconfig usb0 1.2.3.4/12 |
| 16:46.07 | Marex | (that was example) |
| 16:47.01 | Marex | I'll bb in 30mins - bath |
| 17:00.49 | *** join/#familiar Blackhex (n=Blackhex@gwfm-1.9-208.802.cz) |
| 17:11.41 | homie | I had to disconnect my iPaq, because it froze. Now it doesn't seem to work again "sudo /sbin/modprobe usbnet" " |
| 17:11.41 | homie | sudo /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 |
| 17:11.41 | homie | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 17:12.01 | homie | sudo /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 |
| 17:12.01 | homie | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 17:12.10 | homie | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 17:13.56 | pgfeller | homie: I'm back ... |
| 17:14.16 | homie | pgfeller, great! |
| 17:14.38 | pgfeller | un-plug & re-plug your iPAQ & try again |
| 17:14.55 | pgfeller | I have the same thing sometimes - btw: freezing is a good sing ;-) |
| 17:15.00 | pgfeller | as it is caused by the network stack |
| 17:15.06 | pgfeller | what fam. version do you use? |
| 17:15.13 | homie | 0.8.2 |
| 17:15.44 | homie | I wanted to get internet onto it |
| 17:15.53 | pgfeller | yep ... that's normal behaviour for usbnet if the PC side is not fully ready - but if it freezes, then you're close |
| 17:16.20 | pgfeller | ... let see if we can do this together (I'm not a specialist - but @ my device it is working - so mabe I can help) |
| 17:16.56 | pgfeller | btw: an upgrade to 0.8.4 is worth it for 3870: audio fixed, bluetooth working & other fixes |
| 17:17.12 | homie | ok, connected again, so should i type /sbin/modprobe usbnet and /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 now? |
| 17:17.26 | pgfeller | the ifconfig thing only |
| 17:17.32 | pgfeller | the module is already present |
| 17:19.35 | homie | it didn't answer ERROR this time :) |
| 17:20.03 | pgfeller | so if you do ifconfig - does it show the usb0 interface? |
| 17:20.43 | homie | yes! |
| 17:21.04 | pgfeller | what IP do you have assigned to your PDA? |
| 17:21.11 | homie | I'll try NAT now |
| 17:21.15 | homie | 192.168.1.200 |
| 17:21.22 | pgfeller | not yet ... |
| 17:21.44 | pgfeller | .200 is the IP of your PC - the iPAQ has a different one |
| 17:23.07 | homie | do i get on iPaq or the PC? |
| 17:25.09 | homie | it might be 192.168.0.202 it is under usbf on iPaq |
| 17:25.11 | pgfeller | homie: open a term on the iPAQ & do ifconfig to see what IP is assigned to the PDA |
| 17:25.18 | pgfeller | yep - that'S the one |
| 17:25.22 | pgfeller | try to ping it from the pc |
| 17:26.39 | homie | it doesn't respond |
| 17:27.41 | pgfeller | give me a sec - yep got it :-) |
| 17:28.00 | pgfeller | we'll have to assign an IP to your PC in the same subnet for this interface |
| 17:28.23 | pgfeller | your pc's interface is in 192.168.1.0, PDA in 192.168.0.0 |
| 17:29.04 | pgfeller | do the ifconfig again with 192.168.0.200 on your pc |
| 17:29.30 | homie | couldn't it interfere with my LAN? |
| 17:29.47 | pgfeller | what IP do you use for your LAN 8yes it could ...) |
| 17:31.19 | homie | i am 192.168.1.10 in lan |
| 17:31.31 | pgfeller | oh - yep, then this is a bad idea ... |
| 17:31.41 | pgfeller | do you have a serial connection to your iPAQ? |
| 17:31.49 | homie | so maybe we should set 192.168.0._ for ipaq? |
| 17:32.24 | homie | i've got the serial cable |
| 17:32.55 | homie | but i haven't tried it - there is only usb inthe wiki |
| 17:33.01 | pgfeller | we'll change the iPAQ network to 192.168.0.0 |
| 17:33.07 | pgfeller | do you have OPIE, or GPE? |
| 17:33.31 | homie | GPE |
| 17:33.57 | pgfeller | I'm not familiar with this - but can you change the usbf IP address via this gui? |
| 17:34.13 | homie | I'll try to dig it somewhere |
| 17:35.56 | homie | wow, I found it, it is address 192.168.0.200, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.200 |
| 17:37.18 | pgfeller | :-) ... so change the IP to 192.168.1.202, netmask remains, gateway: 192.168.1.200 (your PC) |
| 17:41.09 | homie | ok, ifconfig says iPAQ is 192.168.1.202 now. anything in the pc? |
| 17:41.47 | pgfeller | to be on the safe side unplug the PDA & replug it & do the ifconfig usb0 on the pc again (192.168.1.200 IP) |
| 17:45.34 | homie | I've got the healthy frozen iPaq now |
| 17:45.52 | pgfeller | :-) ... just do the ifconfig now on the PC side |
| 17:46.05 | pgfeller | this should awake it |
| 17:46.19 | homie | oh, i disconnected and reset it |
| 17:46.36 | homie | but it didn't help before |
| 17:46.52 | pgfeller | as said - this is a "good" sign in familiar 0.8.2 (0.8.4 doesn't freeze anymore) |
| 17:47.24 | pgfeller | it will unfreeze when the PC interface is up (@ least mine did) |
| 17:50.02 | homie | it is unfrozen! |
| 17:50.17 | pgfeller | because of the reboot - or the ifconfig? |
| 17:50.42 | homie | ifconfig |
| 17:50.55 | pgfeller | :-) ... now try to ping your iPAQ |
| 17:52.50 | homie | From 192.168.1.10 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 17:53.35 | homie | stop |
| 17:53.42 | pgfeller | let me check ... just a sec |
| 17:53.44 | homie | oh, sorry |
| 17:54.39 | homie | (don't you know, how can i stop the ping command in Konsole?) |
| 17:54.52 | pgfeller | ctrl + c |
| 17:55.18 | pgfeller | yep - was my mistake ... mixed the subnets :-/ ... we have to use 192.168.0 (as you said) for the iPAQs |
| 17:55.46 | pgfeller | can you cange the PDA back to 192.168.0.202 (gate 0.200) & do the ifconfig on PC again with 192.168.0.200? |
| 17:58.18 | homie | do i need to reconnect? |
| 17:58.38 | pgfeller | mhh - give it a try without |
| 17:58.46 | pgfeller | ( I ido not know if it is necessary) |
| 17:59.35 | homie | i've got the ping! |
| 17:59.56 | pgfeller | :-D ... try ssh -l root <IP of your PDA> |
| 18:01.46 | homie | it says authenticity of iPAQ can't be established |
| 18:02.11 | pgfeller | did it not ask to add the ssh-key to the list? |
| 18:02.32 | pgfeller | ... no problem - we do not depend on ssh. |
| 18:03.58 | pgfeller | try to ping your PC from the PDA side |
| 18:06.15 | homie | :) the ping-time is longer |
| 18:06.43 | pgfeller | no problem - the ping counts |
| 18:06.56 | pgfeller | do it's time for NAT now |
| 18:07.08 | pgfeller | do you need my help with this? |
| 18:07.22 | homie | i hope not, thank you very much! |
| 18:07.50 | pgfeller | you're welcome ... let me know if there are problems with NAT. - cu. |
| 18:08.01 | homie | CU |
| 18:40.28 | *** join/#familiar pyxy (n=blackman@ool-44c169a1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:47.57 | *** part/#familiar Blackhex (n=Blackhex@gwfm-1.9-208.802.cz) |
| 18:55.52 | *** join/#familiar jg (n=jg@c-24-218-178-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 18:58.36 | *** join/#familiar jg (n=jg@c-24-218-178-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:39.29 | *** join/#familiar pleemans (n=peter@d54C248DE.access.telenet.be) |
| 19:44.20 | *** join/#familiar cecko (n=cecko@ip-85-160-24-76.eurotel.cz) |
| 20:09.50 | *** join/#familiar aquadran_ (n=pablo@scummvm/undead/aquadran) |
| 20:26.06 | *** join/#familiar aquadran (n=pablo@scummvm/undead/aquadran) |
| 20:54.55 | *** join/#familiar mifritscher (n=mcihael@p54AA4A84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:54.59 | mifritscher | hi |
| 20:55.14 | mifritscher | can familiar work on a psion 5 mx, too? |
| 20:55.59 | mifritscher | I have the kernel 2.4.27 from the openpsion-projekt up and running |
| 20:56.13 | mifritscher | and now I need I suitable distro :-) |
| 21:44.47 | *** join/#familiar DigitalRogue (n=Rogue@68.118.123.56) |
| 21:44.51 | DigitalRogue | Hello? |
| 21:45.04 | DigitalRogue | anyone alive in here? |
| 21:45.06 | DigitalRogue | :) |
| 21:46.58 | cecko | oh it was alive here just few hours ago |
| 21:48.06 | DigitalRogue | LOL figures... |
| 21:48.10 | cecko | DigitalRogue: however, i think i won't be able to help you |
| 21:48.25 | DigitalRogue | no worries... |
| 21:48.26 | cecko | not that i wouldn't want to :) |
| 21:49.16 | DigitalRogue | I just recently upgraded to the stable 8.4 release, and had a question or two... |
| 21:49.36 | cecko | oh, may I have a question! |
| 21:49.46 | DigitalRogue | shoot. |
| 21:50.00 | cecko | how do I upgrade the system? I just got internet working |
| 21:50.04 | *** join/#familiar jott_ (n=j@e178103159.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:50.54 | DigitalRogue | I tried to do the straight update that it talks about on the website. But, it fell apart when it was trying to update Opie. |
| 21:50.59 | cecko | I added http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l into the package manager but it can't reload the list |
| 21:51.12 | DigitalRogue | so I just downloaded it, and reflashed it from a CF. |
| 21:51.24 | cecko | oh, I see |
| 21:51.49 | DigitalRogue | still tinkering with it, but it seems the battery is having an issue. |
| 21:52.07 | cecko | in connection to the sw? |
| 21:53.29 | DigitalRogue | no, I don't think it is allowing it to charge fully. |
| 21:53.55 | DigitalRogue | it is a brand new battery.... 2200 milliamps. |
| 21:54.13 | DigitalRogue | I think that is the one I bought, 22 or 24 |
| 21:55.02 | DigitalRogue | biggest one I could find. |
| 21:58.35 | cecko | good luck with it :) |
| 21:58.41 | cecko | I have to go, CU |
| 21:59.09 | *** part/#familiar cecko (n=cecko@ip-85-160-24-76.eurotel.cz) |
| 22:00.26 | mifritscher | hi |
| 22:00.40 | mifritscher | does familiar use the fb-device provided from the kernel? |
| 22:02.29 | DigitalRogue | I am not sure. |
| 22:02.46 | DigitalRogue | that question is beyond my understanding. |
| 22:02.55 | mifritscher | fb=frame buffer |
| 22:04.00 | DigitalRogue | I got the fb part, but I don't know how to check and see if it is being used... One sec... I will look in the system info, and see if it is listed as running. |
| 22:04.11 | mifritscher | ok, thanks |
| 22:06.18 | DigitalRogue | I don't see a pid for it, nor a module listed as running for it, but that doesn't mean much comming from me. |
| 22:06.50 | mifritscher | hmm, ok |
| 22:07.04 | mifritscher | I ask because I'll try familiar on my psion |
| 22:07.52 | DigitalRogue | ah, Best of luck on that... I think I saw a link somewhere about porting it to other devices... I have an old ipaq. |
| 22:08.08 | mifritscher | I've a running kernel |
| 22:08.39 | mifritscher | I need only the distro-part of familiar :-) |
| 22:26.47 | mifritscher | are the releases optimized for strongarm cpus? |
| 22:52.15 | mifritscher | hmm |
| 22:52.24 | mifritscher | "Warning: unable to open initial console |
| 23:00.11 | mifritscher | hmm |
| 23:00.16 | mifritscher | it seems to do something |
| 23:04.44 | *** join/#familiar gints____ (n=gints@62.84.15.211) |
| 23:05.36 | mifritscher | but nothing anymore :-( |
| 23:06.11 | mifritscher | (the mic-led is abused as a busy-indicator with the psion-kernel) |