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| 00:34.28 | Ketnar | Okay, i'm missing something here, following the steps on the familar page to get it installed on my 5150, and it screws up. |
| 00:34.36 | Ketnar | bootldr is instaleld fine, works. |
| 00:35.06 | Ketnar | i ymodem my jffs2 image up, no problems. |
| 00:35.36 | Ketnar | boot, loads kernel, etc etc, then right after 'done, loading kernel', i get nothing else, it just camps there. |
| 00:36.21 | Ketnar | er, booting kernel rather. lcd is also dark, no backlight. i thought 5100's were supported..the wiki and such says they are..so..what am i missing? |
| 01:16.24 | Ket-away | And to top things off, my wince image backup is screwd, gunzip complains with unexpected end of file |
| 01:16.48 | Ket-away | If this isnt the right place to ask, please reffer me to where i can get some help. :P |
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| 06:39.33 | janboe | does anyone know how to download sourcecode for toshiba? |
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| 08:03.24 | harrydg | Ket-away: i tried getting some answers here... no luck... |
| 08:03.41 | harrydg | you might want to try #oe |
| 08:03.56 | harrydg | but those people aren't helpfull either... if you're not a guru, they just /ignore you |
| 08:04.18 | harrydg | i just looked on the internet for a working wince image , booted that one |
| 08:04.35 | harrydg | if you want linux on your pda, you'll have to do it yourself completely |
| 08:05.07 | harrydg | too bad tough... would be nice if people would help newbies like me and you :) |
| 08:05.27 | harrydg | but, Ket-away ... try to boot in single user mode |
| 08:05.41 | harrydg | when you get your login shell, you can try starting/configing your X etc |
| 08:05.48 | harrydg | that might make things work |
| 08:06.07 | harrydg | (you're lucky... you system boots, mine just unpacks the kernel, then stops ;)) |
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| 18:20.41 | Ket-away | okay, lets see if this thing worked.. |
| 18:21.18 | Ket-away | aannd the judges say no. |
| 18:21.26 | harrydg | hehe |
| 18:21.33 | harrydg | better luck next time... :) |
| 18:21.42 | harrydg | you know... i'm out to lunch now... |
| 18:22.09 | harrydg | if you want, i have nothing to do this evening (not that i'm gonna be of much help, but i can try), so if you want, i'll help you troubleshoot... |
| 18:24.06 | Ket-away | thats cool, i could use another brain to bounce off. |
| 18:24.16 | Ket-away | i'll in turn help you get a build tree setup if you want. :) |
| 18:24.30 | harrydg | i don't have my pda here, so i can't do anything really |
| 18:24.39 | harrydg | i'll be back in 1 hour or so, if that's fine by you? |
| 18:24.40 | Ket-away | all i got on my plate today is being on-call and picking up my monster from the shop. |
| 18:24.44 | harrydg | (i eat a lot ;)) |
| 18:24.47 | Ket-away | lots of tinker time |
| 18:25.15 | Ket-away | i'll be hre. setting up nx here to get into my build server. :P |
| 18:26.04 | harrydg | btw. if you're also interested in virtualisation software (what i work on in linux kernel devel): http://people.linux-vserver.org/~harry |
| 18:26.14 | harrydg | now ==> 0xf00d |
| 18:26.20 | Ket-away | we do alot of work with xen over here |
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| 19:52.08 | harrydg | heyaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:52.13 | harrydg | Ketnar: i'm all yours! |
| 19:52.24 | harrydg | (well... allmost, off course, i will still play music here ;)) |
| 19:52.33 | harrydg | and chat somewhat |
| 19:53.26 | harrydg | (btw. korpiklaani rules :)) |
| 19:54.43 | Ketnar | yo |
| 19:55.01 | Ketnar | okay, been hitting the wiki's again. |
| 19:55.22 | Ketnar | i'm thinking OE might be a better option. |
| 19:55.57 | harrydg | any help there? |
| 19:55.59 | Ketnar | Familiar derives its codebase from it, but i think OE can compile the same stuff, basicly. |
| 19:56.10 | harrydg | i see you're on #oe |
| 19:56.15 | Ketnar | i'm still looking through the wiki to get final awnsers on that |
| 19:56.18 | Ketnar | yep |
| 19:56.25 | harrydg | getting any help? |
| 19:56.26 | Ketnar | people are at least active ovber there. :P |
| 19:56.29 | harrydg | true |
| 19:56.33 | Ketnar | not yet, im still eating the wiki first |
| 19:56.58 | Ketnar | but i'm about to just setup a build system for OE and play with it. |
| 19:57.18 | harrydg | good idea |
| 19:57.26 | Ketnar | ..would be nice if NX would stop glitching, argh. |
| 19:57.47 | harrydg | what's nx ? |
| 20:00.42 | Ketnar | remote desktop via ssh |
| 20:00.46 | Ketnar | nomachine.com |
| 20:01.00 | Ketnar | i use it to get into all my systems from one chair, basicly. (i hate KVM's ;) |
| 20:02.13 | harrydg | aha |
| 20:02.27 | harrydg | i use era modules for dell systems, iLO for HP systems |
| 20:02.58 | Ketnar | i so won't ever buy dell again. >_< |
| 20:03.09 | harrydg | i love'm |
| 20:03.17 | harrydg | much better than HP bullocks |
| 20:03.38 | Ketnar | well, we started off with dells |
| 20:04.06 | harrydg | at least they have 100% std hardware no messing around with drivers/firmware/... |
| 20:04.06 | Ketnar | few years ago. but the newer stuff all comes with broadcom gigabit :P |
| 20:04.29 | harrydg | HP also comes with broadcom... but with patched firmware |
| 20:04.33 | harrydg | same with scsi cards |
| 20:04.40 | Ketnar | do they /work/? |
| 20:04.49 | Ketnar | we have had nothing but nightmares with broadcom |
| 20:04.49 | harrydg | yeah |
| 20:04.59 | harrydg | never had any problems with them :S |
| 20:05.45 | Ketnar | it seems limited to the gigabit devices, all others are fine and dandy |
| 20:06.24 | harrydg | i have all dell and HP machines with the broadcom interfaces |
| 20:06.32 | harrydg | 1 on 100Mbit, 1 on Gbit |
| 20:06.39 | Ketnar | and they work? you are blessed. ;) |
| 20:06.53 | harrydg | off course they work |
| 20:06.57 | harrydg | what doesn't work with you? |
| 20:07.06 | harrydg | where are you from actually? |
| 20:07.15 | Ketnar | Well, we were working with promo hardware :P so it might have been flakey |
| 20:07.23 | Ketnar | I'm in VA |
| 20:07.46 | harrydg | sounds like somewhere in the USA :) |
| 20:07.55 | Ketnar | we had big voodoo with the scsi and gigabit. other than that they were fine, but those two parts of the systems would go batshit without warning. |
| 20:07.59 | Ketnar | yeah it is. ;) |
| 20:08.27 | Ketnar | To translate, i'm dangerously close to the whitehouse should somebody finaly get annoyed enough to nuke it. ;) |
| 20:08.45 | harrydg | hehe |
| 20:08.54 | harrydg | westcoast |
| 20:08.58 | harrydg | i'm from belgium |
| 20:08.58 | Ketnar | east |
| 20:09.05 | harrydg | ow, yeah |
| 20:09.06 | harrydg | true |
| 20:09.09 | Ketnar | ah, cool :) |
| 20:09.25 | Ketnar | east, because they ran away from the mean ol brits ;) |
| 20:09.31 | harrydg | lol... i allways mess up east and west of usa :S |
| 20:10.05 | Ketnar | 'liek omegh presicution lols, leaving!' 'omg, indians! persicute! lawlz' ;) |
| 20:10.07 | Ketnar | ahem. |
| 20:10.22 | harrydg | ;) |
| 20:10.26 | Ketnar | okay, so.. build system. |
| 20:10.54 | harrydg | i 've just seen chicken come online... he's the one with the opie images for a jornada online! |
| 20:11.07 | harrydg | have to grab him... so he can help me ;) |
| 20:11.50 | Ketnar | okie, i'm still obsorbing |
| 20:12.07 | Ketnar | see if he has a 5150 image anywhere :P:P |
| 20:12.50 | harrydg | hehe... the problem with his current image is , it's familiar 0.7.2 |
| 20:12.54 | harrydg | i want 0.8.4 |
| 20:13.03 | harrydg | with a more recent version of opie |
| 20:13.55 | harrydg | how old are you, Ketnar ? |
| 20:14.10 | harrydg | you a student? |
| 20:14.17 | harrydg | or allmost retired? ;) |
| 20:14.33 | harrydg | (allways interesting to have an idea ;)) |
| 20:19.04 | Ketnar | i dunno, i think i'm kinda in between ;) |
| 20:19.16 | Ketnar | i'm more or less self employed at a company i co founded. |
| 20:19.26 | harrydg | ow, nice : |
| 20:19.32 | Ketnar | been working here about..eh, crap, 7 years. i'm 27. ;) |
| 20:19.35 | harrydg | i just work for university |
| 20:19.47 | harrydg | 26 years old... |
| 20:19.54 | Ketnar | i plan to retire when i'm 30 :P |
| 20:19.57 | harrydg | lol |
| 20:20.10 | harrydg | you earning that much? ;) |
| 20:20.18 | harrydg | can i work for you then? ;) |
| 20:20.27 | harrydg | (from .be ... don't want to leave my gf) |
| 20:20.30 | Ketnar | i'll be that random guy who walks around a company, nobody knows where he works but somehow he gets a paycheck and knows eveyrthing thats going on ;) |
| 20:20.40 | harrydg | hehe |
| 20:20.47 | harrydg | they call that' the boss |
| 20:20.54 | Ketnar | eh, i dunno if we have any remote positions open anymore. |
| 20:21.07 | Ketnar | we did that before, had some problems with it. |
| 20:21.34 | harrydg | i can believe that |
| 20:21.56 | harrydg | but, if there's a job out there, that pays me enough and work is fun... then i want that job ;) |
| 20:22.00 | Ketnar | i'm pretty sure we don'rt do remote hires anymore, ever since two germans held up a project for /three years/ :P |
| 20:22.05 | harrydg | not really looking, but allways cautious for a better one :) |
| 20:22.15 | harrydg | awtsj |
| 20:22.20 | harrydg | you don't want that, no... |
| 20:22.31 | Ketnar | yeah. ;) |
| 20:26.28 | Ketnar | i hate mailing list archives. |
| 20:27.25 | harrydg | just went over the tutorial |
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| 20:28.34 | Ketnar | for? |
| 20:28.47 | harrydg | maybe i have to make a distro myself... |
| 20:28.54 | Ketnar | yeah, it helps |
| 20:28.55 | harrydg | make my own images... :S |
| 20:29.00 | Ketnar | i could help you |
| 20:29.18 | Ketnar | i already did familar that way, thats how i got my 3955 working right |
| 20:29.57 | Ketnar | i'm kinda thinking i need to do the same for the 5150, even tho familar claims it builds for 51xx, i'm not buying it, something didnt build right |
| 20:30.34 | Ketnar | Hm. i need to tgrack down a fresh drive, i'm out. |
| 20:30.48 | harrydg | i wonder why my h3900 image didn't load on my pda... |
| 20:30.52 | Ketnar | i was gonna swap in a blank for my build stuff, and now my box of spares is gone. |
| 20:31.09 | Ketnar | did you get the bootloader installed? |
| 20:31.20 | harrydg | yeah |
| 20:31.29 | harrydg | got the boot> prompt |
| 20:31.38 | harrydg | but when i load the image it gave an error |
| 20:31.39 | Ketnar | got the splash screen with tux and button instructions? |
| 20:31.43 | harrydg | no |
| 20:31.46 | Ketnar | 0_o |
| 20:31.58 | harrydg | no screen |
| 20:32.08 | Ketnar | the hell, mine worked flawlessly. |
| 20:32.09 | harrydg | i use the 2.21.11 bootlaoder version |
| 20:32.14 | harrydg | not 12 |
| 20:32.25 | Ketnar | i just used the one it fed me from the familar download page. :P |
| 20:32.51 | harrydg | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/jornada56x.html |
| 20:32.52 | harrydg | check that one |
| 20:32.57 | harrydg | A special bootloader found at http://handhelds.org/~chicken/bootldr-j56x-32M-2.21.11.bin for devices with 32 MB of RAM or ... |
| 20:33.04 | harrydg | i have the 32MB versoin |
| 20:33.06 | harrydg | version |
| 20:35.09 | harrydg | http://handhelds.org/~chicken/ has the 0.7.2 image that i got running |
| 20:35.21 | harrydg | the unstable16 didn't load in memory correctly |
| 20:35.26 | harrydg | haven't tried 14 |
| 20:35.48 | Ketnar | Hmmm |
| 20:36.06 | harrydg | i'm affraid, if i install the bootlaoder comming with the images, and it doesn't work |
| 20:36.13 | harrydg | my system will be for the trashcan |
| 20:36.20 | Ketnar | well..no. |
| 20:36.23 | harrydg | no bootloader, no reinstallable bootloader |
| 20:36.25 | Ketnar | almost but no. |
| 20:36.26 | harrydg | no boot |
| 20:36.33 | harrydg | ah, there is a way back? |
| 20:36.39 | Ketnar | call around and check online for pda repair shops |
| 20:36.48 | Ketnar | yeah, they can jtag/flash you |
| 20:36.58 | Ketnar | its a pain, costs a few bucks, but it will recover you |
| 20:37.00 | harrydg | bleh, that will cost me more money... |
| 20:37.07 | Ketnar | well, hres my thinking |
| 20:37.10 | harrydg | i allready paid 57 euro for it |
| 20:37.14 | Ketnar | you have a serial bootloader that works, yes? |
| 20:37.19 | harrydg | (new touchpanel) |
| 20:37.22 | harrydg | yes |
| 20:37.26 | harrydg | the one i just pasted |
| 20:37.28 | Ketnar | don't touch that ;) |
| 20:37.39 | harrydg | my idea exactly :) |
| 20:38.10 | Ketnar | i'm not sure why you went the route you did, but i think it can be recoverd. |
| 20:38.19 | harrydg | ? |
| 20:38.26 | Ketnar | lemme check something |
| 20:38.34 | harrydg | i just followed those instructions |
| 20:38.43 | harrydg | with my own bootloader... pasted above |
| 20:38.55 | harrydg | but there was only 1 image that wanted to load into memory |
| 20:39.06 | harrydg | now i'm back to wince booting ;) |
| 20:39.18 | Ketnar | checking how much memory my 3955 has |
| 20:39.19 | harrydg | since i couldn't find a bootable decent linux version |
| 20:39.29 | Ketnar | at least you can roll back! |
| 20:39.34 | Ketnar | i'm stck with a half brick ;) |
| 20:40.31 | harrydg | yeah, i see your prob |
| 20:40.32 | harrydg | i had the same prob |
| 20:40.32 | harrydg | couldn't get the wince image booting either with the bootldr |
| 20:40.32 | harrydg | once i restored the original bootlaoder, it booted fine |
| 20:40.32 | Ketnar | well, my 3955 has 61 megs of ram and 32 srtorage |
| 20:40.49 | harrydg | i think i have about the same |
| 20:40.55 | Ketnar | its a xscale pxa250 rev 4 v51 |
| 20:41.13 | Ketnar | i didnt have to use any custom bootloader, and that pda works flawlessly |
| 20:41.20 | Ketnar | so you are good there |
| 20:41.25 | Ketnar | now guess what i have? ;) |
| 20:41.30 | Ketnar | i have a built tree! |
| 20:41.34 | Ketnar | sitting right here |
| 20:41.46 | harrydg | :) |
| 20:41.49 | harrydg | OE? |
| 20:41.58 | Ketnar | famillar, from my first install (which works) |
| 20:42.06 | Ketnar | its for the 3955 |
| 20:42.16 | Ketnar | its GPE, want to try it? |
| 20:42.29 | harrydg | well... as i said, my pda is at work |
| 20:42.34 | harrydg | i'm at home now |
| 20:42.41 | Ketnar | oh right |
| 20:42.43 | harrydg | cna't test it... but i can do that tomorrow |
| 20:42.51 | harrydg | i can allready download the images ... |
| 20:42.59 | Ketnar | okay, so poke me tomarrow, i'll up the image someplace |
| 20:43.30 | harrydg | you're from usa... chances are that you're asleep tomorrow ;) (for me tomorrow ;)) |
| 20:43.48 | Ketnar | i havn't uploaded it yet, i figure i can just up the whole tree. :) lots of built stuff in there in ipkg's ready to install if you get up and running |
| 20:44.28 | Ketnar | wanna bet? i'll be up till 4 AM my time. ;) but right now, i need to go run and scream at my bank, they messed up my card or something, its full of cash and yet its not working. :P |
| 20:44.39 | Ketnar | i'll be back..sometime. i hope. sigh :"P |
| 20:45.11 | harrydg | in pm.. :) |
| 20:45.25 | harrydg | ah, okay |
| 20:45.28 | harrydg | i'll leave you to it :) |
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| 22:03.18 | jcole | What Embedded Linux Distros Would You Support? - http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/30/0346227 |
| 22:29.39 | Ket-Bank | Better question, which distro's support you? :) |
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