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| 01:32.26 | AbortRetryFail | this channel takes the cake for dead today. |
| 01:34.11 | bluelightning | AbortRetryFail: it's usually pretty quiet in here |
| 01:34.31 | bluelightning | #handhelds.org is occasionaly more lively |
| 01:34.43 | AbortRetryFail | ah ok |
| 01:34.55 | AbortRetryFail | Anybody else got a PalmTX with linux on it? :) |
| 01:35.23 | bluelightning | not me, I have several iPAQs though |
| 01:35.50 | AbortRetryFail | any of the hx24xx series? |
| 01:40.43 | bluelightning | AbortRetryFail: no, I have an h3850, an h3970 and an h5550 |
| 01:42.39 | AbortRetryFail | ah |
| 01:43.10 | AbortRetryFail | i've got a friend with one of the hx2490-something's and he wants to put linux on it but there's not much out there. |
| 01:43.40 | bluelightning | hmm, well I must admit I haven't kept a close watch on development for new devices but that sounds about right |
| 01:43.42 | andrei | Hi, where can one get a feed that has gcc in it? |
| 01:44.01 | bluelightning | andrei: have you tried the universe feed? |
| 01:44.24 | andrei | Yes |
| 01:45.21 | andrei | All that I could find was libgcc1 |
| 01:45.34 | andrei | Which doesn't have a compiler in it; just some libraries |
| 01:45.57 | bluelightning | hmm |
| 01:46.39 | bluelightning | I'd have to go hunting and I'm in the middle of something at the moment... but I'll try to have a look in a few minutes |
| 01:51.36 | bluelightning | if ipkgfind was working we could use that to find the package... :/ |
| 02:01.21 | andrei | Thank you |
| 02:29.57 | bluelightning | andrei: ok, the answer is there are no gcc packages built for 0.8.4, at least from what I can see in the feeds |
| 02:30.13 | bluelightning | it's possible you could use ones built for an older version, let me see if I can find a package |
| 02:32.26 | bluelightning | andrei: it seems the most recent ones available are for Familiar 0.8.2, in the 0.8.2 world feed |
| 02:32.55 | bluelightning | now, you really do not want to add the 0.8.2 world feed to your 0.8.4 setup - that would probably cause serious problems |
| 02:33.26 | bluelightning | the best way is to download packages individually from the world feed and install each one by hand |
| 02:34.45 | bluelightning | btw, the 0.8.2 world feed is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/feed/world/ |
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| 05:31.21 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Is this the Linux on iPaq Familiar Project? |
| 05:32.26 | bluelightning | RFC_1149_Laptop: it is, yes |
| 05:32.42 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Excellent bluelightning. I would really like some help! |
| 05:33.00 | bluelightning | RFC_1149_Laptop: I'll try to help, what's the trouble? |
| 05:33.05 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I am trying to install familiar on an iPaq H2200 (which is supported) |
| 05:33.28 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I have gentoo linux running on my laptop and I can connect to the handheld with the usb cradle and synce |
| 05:33.38 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I can transfer files back and forth etc |
| 05:33.46 | RFC_1149_Laptop | However, the only card reader I have is in the iPaq |
| 05:34.02 | RFC_1149_Laptop | And I want linux to run from the SD card in the ipaq and use Haret |
| 05:34.22 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I have a program which can mount the iPaq filesystem under linux on the laptop |
| 05:34.51 | RFC_1149_Laptop | My problem is, that when I try and extract the tarball using xvjfp, the permissions dont work because I am copying to a fat card |
| 05:35.17 | RFC_1149_Laptop | My question is how do I make an ext2 partition on my iPaq SD card from within WinCE? |
| 05:35.32 | bluelightning | hmm... if you need to write a root filesystem on the card I imagine you'd have to reformat it first in a Linux PC |
| 05:35.39 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Can't |
| 05:35.47 | bluelightning | I don't know of any way to do it from WinCE |
| 05:35.54 | RFC_1149_Laptop | The only linux PC I have with a card reader / writer is this laptop - and the card reader is unsupported |
| 05:36.08 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Okay - is there any way to boot linux from a vfat partition? |
| 05:36.15 | bluelightning | unless HaRET supports booting an image file on the card |
| 05:36.45 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I don't know about that ... |
| 05:37.00 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Wait, I could create a loopback ext2 partition on the linux box, and then copy the file to the ipaq |
| 05:37.01 | bluelightning | not on a WinCE handheld AFAIK |
| 05:37.11 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Well its Windows Mobile 2003 actually |
| 05:37.18 | bluelightning | that's what I was thinking, a loopback fs image |
| 05:37.28 | bluelightning | that's if HaRET can boot such a thing |
| 05:37.38 | bluelightning | (I've never used HaRET) |
| 05:37.44 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Bear with me a minute here |
| 05:37.57 | RFC_1149_Laptop | That is the best option - but I am looking for the HaRET documentation |
| 05:38.12 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Is there any other way to boot ipaqlinux? |
| 05:38.23 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Without haret or a serial cable... |
| 05:38.46 | bluelightning | I'm not sure about on h2200... if there's a bootloader for it these days then you could try that |
| 05:39.45 | RFC_1149_Laptop | How would I get the bootloader on? |
| 05:39.59 | RFC_1149_Laptop | bluelightning, will you be around in a few minutes? I've a few things I would like to try first |
| 05:40.19 | bluelightning | yeah I'll be here |
| 05:40.36 | bluelightning | bear in mind though that I don't have an h2200 so I'm more or less flying blind |
| 05:41.02 | bluelightning | This page may be of some use: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH2200LAB |
| 05:41.39 | RFC_1149_Laptop | bluelightning, I've been working from that |
| 05:41.52 | bluelightning | at the bottom it talks about using internal flash |
| 05:42.15 | bluelightning | could be a bit risky though |
| 05:42.36 | RFC_1149_Laptop | bluelightning, can I use the usb cable as a serial cable> |
| 05:42.50 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I have /dev/ttyUSB0 on the linux host, so I should be able to send commands through that... |
| 05:43.58 | bluelightning | it doesn't seem like you can, no... some info on serial cables for h2200 is here: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqSerialCable |
| 05:46.13 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I've made a file of 210MB, formatted it to ext2, and mounted it loopback |
| 05:46.22 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Ive now extracted familar to it |
| 05:47.03 | RFC_1149_Laptop | So if I stick haret.exe and the image on a fat32 sd card, and make haret boot from a file... |
| 05:49.27 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Next plan- search for an ext2 formatter for ppc |
| 05:50.43 | bluelightning | there is an alternative - you could buy a cheap USB card writer for your laptop |
| 05:51.29 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Good point - shops are closed right now though |
| 05:51.35 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Damn holiday season |
| 05:54.49 | RFC_1149_Laptop | DiskDevider - "Additionally, it has somewhat limited support for ext2 and ext3 partitions." |
| 05:57.21 | RFC_1149_Laptop | bluelightning, could I put the rootfs in an initrd> |
| 05:58.30 | bluelightning | RFC_1149_Laptop: not sure, but I would assume not since initrds are usually quite small |
| 05:59.34 | RFC_1149_Laptop | HaRET uses the following command line to boot: set KERNEL zImage set MTYPE341 set CMDLINE"root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0"bootlinux |
| 05:59.44 | RFC_1149_Laptop | It specifies the root device... |
| 06:01.26 | bluelightning | that's just for passing the root device to the kernel though... |
| 06:01.52 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Yeah, but I could specify an initrd with that, no? |
| 06:02.07 | bluelightning | actually thinking about it it would have to be the kernel handling the image, not HaRET... |
| 06:02.15 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Yeah |
| 06:02.22 | RFC_1149_Laptop | So how do I put the rootfs in an initrd? |
| 06:02.39 | bluelightning | you're on your own there I'm afraid... |
| 06:05.31 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Wait |
| 06:05.35 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Found a poss solution! |
| 06:06.19 | RFC_1149_Laptop | http://www.gwynux.ca/h2200/ - can you access that? |
| 06:06.26 | RFC_1149_Laptop | There are two mirrors, one is down |
| 06:06.41 | bluelightning | doesn't seem to be loading |
| 06:10.39 | RFC_1149_Laptop | set cmdline "root=/dev/ram0 rw ramdisk_size=8192 keepinitrd init=/linuxrc console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty0 cachepolicy=writeback" |
| 06:10.44 | RFC_1149_Laptop | That is what I am looking for :D |
| 06:13.25 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I've got a REALLY minimal linux going! |
| 06:14.45 | bluelightning | it worked? |
| 06:19.41 | RFC_1149_Laptop | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH2200ssh |
| 06:19.54 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I've got linux ready to mount an nfs volume |
| 06:20.03 | RFC_1149_Laptop | However my linux host computer isn't loading usbnet properly |
| 06:20.48 | bluelightning | RFC_1149_Laptop: usbnet can be tricky at the best of times... it's now stopped working completely for me |
| 06:20.56 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Really? |
| 06:20.59 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Meh |
| 06:21.02 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I cant get it to work |
| 06:21.08 | bluelightning | I'm not sure if the fault is in my desktop or familiar |
| 06:21.09 | RFC_1149_Laptop | no dev nodes appear when I plug in my device |
| 06:21.21 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Well it cant be familiar here, because I've not even got that far |
| 06:21.28 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I have a minimal linux image on the ipasq |
| 06:21.33 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Which is waiting for a usb link |
| 06:21.36 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Which it cant find |
| 06:21.48 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Plugged in through usb cable to linux box per instructions |
| 06:21.54 | RFC_1149_Laptop | but the laptop wont recognise the ipaq |
| 06:25.00 | bluelightning | check the kernel logs on your laptop, are there any USB messages after you plugged it in? |
| 06:25.11 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Know anything about ivman? |
| 06:26.59 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I deleted /var/log/messages |
| 06:28.13 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I'm rotating logs |
| 06:28.22 | RFC_1149_Laptop | The messages log was filled up with so much garbage |
| 06:30.00 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Hi |
| 06:30.01 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Dec 29 06:30:32 lappy ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: wakeup |
| 06:30.01 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Dec 29 06:30:32 lappy usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 23 |
| 06:30.02 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Dec 29 06:30:32 lappy usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 06:30.02 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Dec 29 06:30:32 lappy ivman: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_49f_505a_noserial |
| 06:30.02 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Dec 29 06:30:32 lappy ivman: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_49f_505a_noserial wasn't mounted, by us or by others... |
| 06:30.05 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Dec 29 06:30:33 lappy ivman: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_49f_505a_noserial_if0 |
| 06:30.07 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Dec 29 06:30:33 lappy ivman: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_49f_505a_noserial_if0 wasn't mounted, by us or by others... |
| 06:30.11 | RFC_1149_Laptop | That appears when I plug in the ipaq |
| 06:33.41 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Wait |
| 06:33.51 | RFC_1149_Laptop | looked at my .config - I am missing support for a required module |
| 06:33.54 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Recompiling the kernel |
| 06:58.55 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Further forward - rebooting and loading linux via nfs |
| 07:01.22 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Dec 29 07:01:45 lappy rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.202:800 for /home/ipaq_rootfs (/home/ipaq_rootfs) |
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| 07:35.08 | RFC_1149_Laptop | bluelightning, thanks for the encouragement - its working now! X is running and everything |
| 07:35.21 | bluelightning | RFC_1149_Laptop: great, well done :) |
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| 07:35.33 | RFC_1149_Laptop | bluelightning, thanks |
| 07:38.21 | RFC_1149_Laptop | bluelightning, now trying with the proper Familiar distro |
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| 14:10.46 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Anyone here? |
| 14:12.30 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Anybody? |
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| 14:26.05 | bluelightning | RFC_1149_Laptop: I'm still here :) |
| 14:26.12 | RFC_1149_Laptop | lol |
| 14:26.13 | bluelightning | though I will be going to bed shortly |
| 14:26.19 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I've still not got it working |
| 14:26.24 | bluelightning | doh |
| 14:26.30 | RFC_1149_Laptop | i had a gpe login screen once, but the input doesnt work |
| 14:26.36 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Still trying to boot of a sd card |
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| 14:44.31 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Any ideas on how to boot this thing from an SD card? |
| 15:04.44 | shirour | hi everybody... can someone please help me - i'm looking for xmms package for ope |
| 15:04.45 | shirour | opie |
| 15:05.30 | RFC_1149_Laptop | shirour, I would like to help, but haven't got as far as having a graphical linux |
| 15:05.39 | RFC_1149_Laptop | (on the handheld) |
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| 15:06.43 | bluelightning_ | RFC_1149_Laptop: not really I'm afraid |
| 15:06.55 | RFC_1149_Laptop | meh |
| 15:06.58 | RFC_1149_Laptop | thanks anyways |
| 15:06.59 | shirour | RFC_1149_Laptop: what's your current problem? |
| 15:07.33 | bluelightning_ | time for bed... cya |
| 15:07.34 | RFC_1149_Laptop | shirour, I have a linux laptop with synce setup, and an iPaq h2200 (support) with a sd card I want to use with HaRET to boot |
| 15:07.37 | RFC_1149_Laptop | bluelightning, cya |
| 15:08.33 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I can transfer files over the USB - so I can put HaRET and a zImage on the sd card through the ipaq |
| 15:08.52 | RFC_1149_Laptop | However, I can't seem to find something which is willing to boot with haret from a msdos formatted sd card |
| 15:08.53 | shirour | oh i see.... don't think i can help - i'm using linux natively , but i can try |
| 15:09.01 | RFC_1149_Laptop | shirour, I would appreciate it |
| 15:09.24 | RFC_1149_Laptop | HaRET can load a kernel - but I don'[t have a kernel which can mount a rootfs from an ext2 image stored on an sd card |
| 15:09.35 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Could I just make a huge initrd with rootfs in it? |
| 15:10.13 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Anyways, you have the idea. I have a linux laptop, an h2200, and an sd card (but no pc card reader) . I can transfer files to the ipaq over synce and usb./ |
| 15:10.50 | shirour | you can use initrd, but let's see - |
| 15:11.05 | shirour | do you compile the kernel by yourself? |
| 15:12.31 | RFC_1149_Laptop | shirour, no - I am trying to use the most recent familiar distro |
| 15:12.47 | RFC_1149_Laptop | shirour, cross compiling this would probably be over my head and quite complicated |
| 15:13.08 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Instructions to stick a rootfs in an initrd which boots me to gpe / ope would be great |
| 15:13.10 | shirour | i see... ok. can you post your kernel boot log? |
| 15:13.21 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Nope |
| 15:13.23 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Sorry |
| 15:13.25 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Not that far |
| 15:14.19 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I can't really boot because the kernel expects an ext2 formatted partition on a sd card per the instructions here -- http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH2200CardBoot |
| 15:16.50 | shirour | what about repartitioning your SD with two partitions? |
| 15:17.09 | RFC_1149_Laptop | How would I do that? (I dont have a card reader) |
| 15:17.17 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Is there a way I could do that from within the ipaq? |
| 15:17.26 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Through the usb/serial console? |
| 15:17.37 | shirour | through usb maybe |
| 15:17.41 | shirour | use gparted livecd |
| 15:18.47 | RFC_1149_Laptop | I have gparted - but how do I mount the card when it is on the other device |
| 15:18.56 | RFC_1149_Laptop | How do I mount a card in the ipaq from the pc host? |
| 15:20.19 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Any suggestions |
| 15:20.19 | shirour | oh sorry, thought you have it as mass-storage device |
| 15:22.36 | RFC_1149_Laptop | nope |
| 15:22.37 | RFC_1149_Laptop | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RamdiskRescue |
| 15:22.41 | RFC_1149_Laptop | That looks like what I need |
| 15:46.08 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Magic - looks like its working! |
| 15:48.44 | shirour | great..! |
| 15:57.30 | shirour | it seems that the xmms package was moved from opie's main feed from version 0.8.2... anyone here knows where i can find it? |
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| 16:04.14 | RFC_1149_Laptop | shirour, thanks for your advice |
| 16:04.14 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Looking at a GPE 2.7 bootsplash |
| 16:04.30 | RFC_1149_Laptop | shirour, what problem were you having - I may now be able to help since I will learn GPE |
| 16:08.17 | shirour | basically i have a commandline for playing media stuff, but no gui |
| 16:08.31 | shirour | i was thinking of using xmms or something but couldn't find a package for it |
| 16:10.49 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Not too sure about the package management yet |
| 16:10.51 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Sorry |
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| 17:27.13 | RFC_1149_Laptop | The ops should put this great program in the MOTD http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RamdiskRescue |
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| 20:40.21 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Anybody here? |
| 20:40.42 | RFC_1149_Laptop | Where can I get a linux wlan-ng driver for Familiar 0.8.4 without compiling it on the iPaq? |
| 20:42.51 | digitalfredy | hello, i have a qtek 9100, i can run linux in it and use all funtions (pda, phone, bluetooth, wifi)? |
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| 22:14.41 | RFC_1149 | Anyone here? |
| 22:26.31 | RFC_1149 | Anyone here? |