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10:10.32TheIcemanBlnHi all
10:11.19TheIcemanBlnI dropped by because i have a question/problem with my familiar installation on my Ipaq 5550
10:12.02TheIcemanBlnThe question is: How can i wake up my device after a suspend (without using reset) ?
10:12.30TheIcemanBlni forgot i use familiar 0.8.4 stable
10:12.56TheIcemanBlni tried opie and currently running gpe, the problem exists in both
10:15.05TheIcemanBlnanybody online?
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10:48.05deusis the package site for ipkg down?
10:50.05bluelightningdeus: ipkgfind is down... the feeds are still available though
10:50.23deusah
10:51.07deusim using dapper, and trying to get inet connection trough usb, but there are some packages i cant find
10:52.02deusi really wish i had a keyboard trying to run ipkg with that keyboard and stylus is annoying at best
10:52.36bluelightningdeus: you could use serial or ppp over serial temporarily
10:52.58bluelightningif you have a serial cable / cradle that is
10:53.45deusi doo
10:53.55deushmm
10:54.03deussure
10:54.59infinitois it possible to connect the pda and a computer using usb on familiar?
10:55.09infinitoany doc on how to do it?
10:57.01bluelightninginfinito: yes... it's a bit flaky though
10:57.10bluelightningdepends on what device you have
10:57.24infinitoan iPaq h5450
10:57.32infinitowith latest familiar and opie
10:57.33bluelightninghttp://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UsbNet
10:57.52bluelightningok.. it may work, you'll have to try it
11:01.03infinitoand then will i be able to connect to the pda via ssh using the usb cable?
11:01.43bluelightninginfinito: if the usb network is set up, yes
11:02.32infinitoone more thing, any way to connect to the pda via ssh as root?
11:04.15bluelightninginfinito: of course... it's just a standard ssh server (well, more or less)
11:04.46infinitobluelightning: but it refuses the root connections
11:05.06bluelightninginfinito: have you set your root password first?
11:05.11infinitono
11:05.15infinitodo i need to?
11:05.21bluelightningyou will need to do that yes
11:05.32bluelightningby default it is blank which disallows logins (for security)
11:09.09infinitook
11:09.19infinitomore questions... :)
11:09.31bluelightningsure :)
11:09.34infinitowhy do i need to reload the ipkg database everytime i reboot?
11:09.46infinitoit is not cached?
11:10.15bluelightningit stores the ipkg databases in /var, which is in RAM only
11:11.07bluelightningyou could probably make it store that stuff if you want, by using symlinks
11:12.16infinitoummm, right now the ipkg site seems to be down
11:13.11bluelightningipkgfind is down, the feeds aren't
11:13.24bluelightningipkgfind being the web interface
11:14.13bluelightningif you mean ipkg is giving you errors when you go ipkg update, you most likely have a network issue
11:14.18bluelightning(DNS or forwarding)
11:14.22infinitoyes
11:14.26infinitodns are not working...
11:14.40bluelightningset up your DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf
11:14.54bluelightningbtw /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink into /var, so it gets cleared on reboot also
11:15.10infinitoi have no resolv.conf
11:15.12bluelightning(this is to avoid lots of flash writes when you are using DHCP)
11:15.16infinitouops
11:15.17infinitoyes
11:15.22infinitoit is there...
11:15.32bluelightningif you don't want that then just rm the symlink and then create it
11:16.14infinitothe problem is that there's no resolv.conf on /var/run
11:17.32bluelightningyeah, it would have been erased along with all of /var when you last reset
11:17.39infinitois there anyway that explains the /etc/network/interfaces file?
11:18.06infinito'cause there are many interfaces which i don't know what are for...
11:18.10bluelightning<PROTECTED>
11:18.53bluelightningyou probably don't need to worry about most of them, although I can tell you what they are if you want
11:19.06infinitothanks :D
11:19.14infinitoi have atml0
11:19.34infinitoeth0 and eth1, but i dont hace ethernet connection on the ipaq...
11:19.39infinitousb0
11:19.44infinitousbd0
11:19.47bluelightningatml0 - atmel wlan maybe
11:19.48infinitousbf
11:19.53infinitobnep0
11:19.54bluelightningusb* for usb networking
11:20.04bluelightningbnep0 is for IP over bluetooth
11:20.07infinitodo i need the three of the usb* ?
11:20.22bluelightningnot sure, but they probably all come from different drivers
11:20.37bluelightningmost likely you only need one, but which one I don't know (depends on device)
11:21.12bluelightningeth0 and eth1 are probably just there as placeholders
11:23.16bluelightningactually there are comments in the file...
11:23.38bluelightningusbd0 IIRC was for Zauruses with the old 2.4 driver
11:23.55bluelightningusbf is for the 2.4 IPAQ driver
11:24.04bluelightningusb0 is for the newer g_ether driver
11:27.03infinitodo i need the usbf driver?
11:28.51bluelightninginfinito: what device do you have?
11:29.21infinitoan ipaq 5450
11:29.40bluelightningoops sorry you did say that didn't you
11:30.00bluelightningthe answer is, you need it if you try the g_ether driver and it doesn't work ... ;)
11:30.47bluelightningthe g_ether driver is better because AFAIK it doesn't lock up the device and it works with Windows on the other end
11:31.01infinitoummm, im trying the g_ether, but not really sure how to do it
11:31.20bluelightningdocs are here: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UsbNet
11:31.52bluelightningactually no, it's at the top of this page: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/WindowsXpUsbNetworkHowTo
11:33.17infinitoyeah, im following that
11:33.27infinitobut im not sure what to do in the host computer
11:33.32infinitoi mean, the laptop, not the pda
11:33.47bluelightningright.. well for that just follow the standard instructions on http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UsbNet
11:33.52bluelightningdepends on your distro
11:34.11infinitoits ubuntu here
11:34.54bluelightningok well there are ubuntu-specific instructions on that page
11:39.40deusbluelightning: unless its dapper
11:39.43deusi mean edgy
11:39.49infinitothis is edgy
11:39.56deusthen you must follow the xp howto
11:40.20bluelightningI read that... what that means is you must enable g_ether, which I assume you have already done
11:40.29bluelightningand then it should just work from what it says
11:44.22infinitoi can't get g_ether to load...
11:44.26infinitodont know why
11:45.37infinitoinsmod: init_module: pxa2xx_udc: Device or resource busy
11:45.43infinitowhy im getting this?
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11:51.13bluelightninginfinito: did you remove the usb-eth driver?
11:51.18bluelightningrmmod usb-eth
11:51.19infinitoyes
11:51.37bluelightninghmm, no idea then sorry
11:57.45bluelightninginfinito: I think it's broken, it doesn't work on my device here either (I just tried it)
11:58.03infinitoummmmmmm
11:58.15bluelightningmy thoughts exactly
11:58.24infinitoso the only ways to connect to the pda is wireless and serial?
11:58.45bluelightningand wired ethernet or bluetooth
11:59.05bluelightningbut wireless or serial are probably the best choices
11:59.28infinitoone more question
11:59.35infinitowhy resolv.conf got removes every reboot?
11:59.51infinitoremoved, i mean...
12:00.34bluelightningI did say that already... it's symlinked into /var.. so when you edit it, you are actually editing the file in /var
12:00.45bluelightningand /var is in RAM so it doesn't survive a reset
12:01.06infinitoaaaaaaaps
12:01.08infinitosorry
12:01.16bluelightningit's in RAM to avoid being overwritten lots when you use DHCP which would not be nice to the flash
12:01.22infinitoso if i create it statically on /etc its ok?
12:01.51bluelightningyep you can delete the symlink and then just have it saved in /etc which will be kept between resets
12:02.14infinitoand whats the reason for this fiel to be in ram?
12:02.29bluelightning[01:02] <bluelightning> it's in RAM to avoid being overwritten lots when you use DHCP which would not be nice to the flash
12:02.40infinitohhehehehe
12:02.42infinitosorry again...
12:02.46infinitoi should read better
12:02.48bluelightning:)
12:03.32bluelightninginfinito: btw there's already a bug filed for the usbnet issue, http://bugzilla.handhelds.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1739
12:03.44bluelightningif you want you can add yourself to the CC list so you will get emails on progress
12:05.46bluelightningtime for bed, cya
12:06.24infinitothanks!
12:07.55bluelightningnp
12:34.58infinitois there any way to poen sfto connections to the ssh server on familiar?
12:38.21infinitoopen sftp connectios, i meant
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13:13.44padonaquehello :)
13:13.45padonaquetell me please, can i install Familiar v0.8.4 to my asus a716 ?
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16:40.38infinitowhich is the best mailing list to post questions about familiar??
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17:52.02infinitois there any way to get libsl.so.1 for familiar?
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19:36.23chazcohi, is it possible to run the SImpad version of familiar from compact flash? i have a different device but its very similar
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