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| 16:34.12 | elTigre | Hi! I'd like to be able to compile programs against my regular familiar distro, v0.8.4, installed on ipaq h3600.... |
| 16:34.34 | elTigre | however the native dev tutorials won't work since there is no compiler package in any feed |
| 16:35.07 | elTigre | and bitbaking failed, according to some googled ressources it needs some heavy patching to work.. |
| 16:35.55 | elTigre | I have downloaded an arm-toolchain myself, and this works, even produces executables, at least without libs... |
| 16:36.08 | elTigre | where could I get the library files? |
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| 17:00.27 | reenoo | elTigre: library and -dev packages are available from the feeds. not sure how useful they'd be for cross compilation though. |
| 17:01.01 | elTigre | well I'd prefer not crosscompiling |
| 17:01.41 | elTigre | but the instructions about native compiling, from the wiki have one serious flaw: there simply is no gcc in the feeds for 0.8.4 |
| 17:01.58 | elTigre | and the feed url that is given, does not even exist |
| 17:03.17 | reenoo | yeah, sorry about that, but OE doesn't (or didn't at the time 0.8.4 was released) build working native compilers |
| 17:03.28 | elTigre | hmm |
| 17:03.50 | reenoo | the next Familiar release will have a working native toolchain |
| 17:04.28 | elTigre | if I get OE working, could it then be used to create executables for my ipaq without having to reinstall everything on it? |
| 17:05.07 | reenoo | if you use the Familiar OE fork, that should work, yes |
| 17:05.21 | elTigre | which instructions would you recommend? |
| 17:05.48 | reenoo | see the section on building on familiar.handhelds.org |
| 17:07.05 | elTigre | the one with bitbake? |
| 17:08.13 | reenoo | http://familiar.handhelds.org/build-setup.html |
| 17:08.19 | elTigre | yes that's the one |
| 17:08.22 | elTigre | failed ... |
| 17:08.48 | reenoo | what's the exact problem? |
| 17:09.04 | elTigre | I read in the archives that you need to import some packages from elsewhere, then there was discussion that this is not recommended etc... |
| 17:09.06 | elTigre | wait |
| 17:09.50 | elTigre | I can't copy/paste it currently, but it was something about core-utils |
| 17:15.25 | elTigre | btw is it better to use gcc-3.4 than 4.x? |
| 17:16.32 | reenoo | that would solve a few problems |
| 17:16.53 | elTigre | I didn't find any switches for that yet... |
| 17:17.02 | elTigre | but I aliased gcc to gcc-3.4 |
| 17:17.17 | elTigre | maybe that works |
| 17:19.20 | reenoo | unlikely. probably need to set HOST_CC or some such. let me check... |
| 17:21.26 | reenoo | what distro do you use on your host btw? |
| 17:21.26 | elTigre | ubunut |
| 17:21.30 | elTigre | uhm ubuntu |
| 17:22.10 | reenoo | would it be an option to use update-alternatives to select gcc-3.4 for gcc? |
| 17:22.22 | elTigre | maybe |
| 17:22.50 | elTigre | I have never used that |
| 17:23.00 | elTigre | but I will look into that |
| 17:24.35 | reenoo | sudo update-alternatives --list gcc |
| 17:24.59 | elTigre | no alternatives found |
| 17:25.19 | elTigre | and I have gcc-3.4 and gcc-4.1 in my path |
| 17:25.38 | reenoo | hmm, ok |
| 17:30.54 | reenoo | try something like this: |
| 17:31.15 | reenoo | echo 'CC = "gcc-3.4"' >> packages/coreutils/coreutils-native_5.1.3.bb |
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| 17:31.53 | reenoo | same for BUILD_CC |
| 17:34.00 | elTigre | ok |
| 17:44.48 | elTigre | same as before |
| 17:45.14 | elTigre | oh but it didn't reconfigure |
| 17:45.55 | reenoo | bitbake -b /path/to/packages/coreutils/coreutils-native_5.1.3.bb -c clean |
| 17:46.15 | elTigre | ok |
| 17:46.30 | elTigre | but I'll have to wait another five minutes to know if it works ^ ^ |
| 17:46.52 | reenoo | bitbake -b /path/to/packages/coreutils/coreutils-native_5.1.3.bb |
| 17:47.09 | reenoo | (avoids reparsing of the entire tree) |
| 17:47.41 | elTigre | ah thanks |
| 17:47.54 | elTigre | for me it doesn't |
| 17:47.59 | elTigre | ah sorry |
| 17:48.03 | elTigre | typo |
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| 17:56.16 | elTigre | coreutils works now, thanks |
| 17:56.59 | elTigre | and I have to go now, thanks for the help... I would never have reached this point on my own |
| 17:57.01 | elTigre | bye |
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| 21:09.47 | cwc | i compiled a kernel (2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh41.1) for h5400 via make ipaqpxa_config; make oldconfig; make dep; make zImage; make modules |
| 21:10.07 | cwc | afterwards i scp-ed the stuff to the ipaq and tried to boot the new kernel |
| 21:10.14 | cwc | but i keep getting error msgs like: |
| 21:10.21 | cwc | loaded file of size = 0x001AE483 at location 0xA0008000 |
| 21:10.21 | cwc | kernel partition base A0008000 |
| 21:10.22 | cwc | kernel_magic=464C457F |
| 21:10.22 | cwc | kernel_region_words[9]=00000202 |
| 21:10.22 | cwc | Unrecognized kernel image |
| 21:10.35 | cwc | did i miss anything? |
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| 21:48.45 | RFC_1149 | Hi all - what is the best way to backup a familiar / gpe install so that it could be reinstalled from ramdisk-rescue? |
| 21:50.04 | r00t | flash image maybe? (as opposed to a tarball of / for normal linux installs) |
| 21:52.39 | RFC_1149 | r00t, okay - don't know how I'd do that? DD? Bear in mind ramdisk-rescue (which is the only way I can install on that ipaq) extracts tar.gz from OPE / GPE distros |
| 21:53.31 | r00t | the same way you would backup wince? |
| 21:53.46 | r00t | can rdr even write to flash? |
| 21:54.07 | r00t | i'm not claiming to be an expert here |
| 21:54.14 | RFC_1149 | r00t, yes, it can format and install onto flash, but it only seems to extract tgz files. |
| 21:54.31 | RFC_1149 | r00t - so how do I make sort of a "stage4" (gentoo term) backup of this |
| 21:54.32 | r00t | back when i had my first ipaq from work years ago and had to return it, i kept both a flash image and a tarball of the install |
| 21:55.03 | r00t | just mount the flash fs from rdr and tar it up |
| 21:55.08 | RFC_1149 | r00t, I have a feeling that cd / && tar cvpf - * | ssh user@host "cat > image" wouldnt work |
| 21:55.16 | r00t | why not? |
| 21:55.25 | r00t | also, not "image" but "backup.tar.gz" |
| 21:55.31 | RFC_1149 | r00t, not sure - I think proc or dev or something -it segfaulted when I tried about half way through |
| 21:55.43 | r00t | you will need some excludes when you tar up the root of a running system |
| 21:55.50 | r00t | like /proc |
| 21:56.14 | RFC_1149 | r00t, /me slaps self - thats not even familiar specfic. My bash script for my gentoo stage 4 excludes proc, dev,e tc |
| 21:56.40 | r00t | but it seems easier to boot rdr and create the backup from there |
| 21:57.32 | RFC_1149 | r00t, ramdisk rescue doesn't work for wifi I dont think (I already do a bunch of rmmods, then modprobe orinoco_cs ignore_cis_vcc=1 etc in my init to get the network up |
| 21:57.40 | RFC_1149 | r00t, I'll try a tar excluding stuff |
| 21:57.47 | r00t | just write the backup to a flash card? |
| 21:58.14 | RFC_1149 | r00t, don't have a spare SD card - lets be creative here - I have a working install with full 802.11b connection to another linux host :p |
| 21:58.51 | r00t | and the sd card you have rdr on has no space left for the backup? |
| 21:59.57 | RFC_1149 | r00t, no - what used to have rdr on it got formatted for my rootfs during the rdr install |
| 22:00.43 | r00t | if your system is on an sd card, just stick that sd card into your pc/reader and make a copy... |
| 22:02.57 | RFC_1149 | r00t, my pc reader is an O2 Micro 4-in-1 , which is the only piece of hw on my lappy which won't work under linux. Really. As in the only working driver was borked under 2.4.1x-something, and the company "released" a crappy non working driver which had MSFT (c) statements in the source with the GPL slapped on the header of the file.....dodgy |
| 22:03.36 | RFC_1149 | r00t, not likely I'd need to recover the backup anyways.... it would be trivial to reinstall I suppose... |
| 22:09.47 | r00t | "O2 Micro 4-in-1"? is that NOT the usual usb device? |
| 22:10.14 | r00t | well, but having a backup you can pull config files and stuff from is handy |
| 22:10.36 | r00t | personally, i will setup my ipaq to rsync itself to a directory on the host whenever i dock it, i guess |
| 22:13.03 | RFC_1149 | r00t, nah, its pci |
| 22:13.12 | RFC_1149 | r00t, I think I'll copy /etc |
| 22:14.30 | r00t | a pci flash 4in1 flash reader? wtf? |
| 22:14.37 | RFC_1149 | r00t, yeah |
| 22:14.57 | RFC_1149 | r00t, if it was powered on, I'd give you the pciid - but trust me its a dead end |
| 22:17.26 | r00t | but... why? why? why? usb readers are $5 a pop and usb-storage compatible |
| 22:20.24 | RFC_1149 | r00t, yeah - I dont want to have to buy more stuff- I can tar /etc over the network - the rest is vanilla |
| 22:30.56 | r00t | and /home |
| 22:31.35 | r00t | i lost the sd card with my root fs on it last week.. that was annoying... |
| 22:31.54 | r00t | luckily i didn't have much on it yet |
| 22:36.30 | RFC_1149 | ouch |
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| 22:48.20 | r00t | RFC_1149: that damn eject mechanism... |
| 22:48.35 | RFC_1149 | r00t, yeah |
| 23:08.28 | r00t | i had actually tried to tape the card in place, but that didn't work so well and i removed it again |
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| 23:34.39 | Unarme1 | hello there. having trouble getting it installed on my ipaq. Ive got the bootloader installed. i just don't know how to get my computer to talk to the ipaq |
| 23:35.11 | Unarme1 | anybody home? |
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