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16:07.59plarsenhello all
16:09.01jsmithGood morning plarsen
16:09.53plarsenI see you survived Saturday's summon ;)
16:12.21plarsenjsmith, what can you say about SunRocket? Worth considering (considering dropping vonage)
16:13.15jsmithSure, they're OK.
16:13.33jsmithThe biggest complaint I have about them is that they don't (or at least didn't) let you use your own devices with their service.
16:13.39jsmithYou may want to check out voicepulse instead.
16:14.22plarsenwill do :)
16:16.16plarsenjsmith, hmm, they're pricier than vonage :(
16:16.41plarsenlol - but I did find the asterisk link ;)
16:17.10jsmith;-)
16:19.11plarsendoesn't provide numbers in our area either :(  darnit!!
16:21.15plarsenunless you do residential stuff
16:21.22plarsenasterisk plans doesn't exist.
16:23.46jsmithHmmmn... are you looking for a commercial plan, or a residential plan?
16:25.30plarsenwell, right now I just want a better system than what Vonage has. Too many delays and issues. However, the idea of controlling my own PBX has me thinking :)
16:25.38plarsenIt would be nice to be able to move there eventually.
16:28.57plarsenjsmith, I'm totally fine with the central part of Asterisk - conceptually. What I don't really find "easy to grasp" is the complexity in the connectivity devices - the hardware needed to physically connect your ethernet and phone jacks to it.
16:29.19jsmithOK, here goes.
16:29.32jsmithOn the VoIP side, all you need is an ethernet connection.  That's the easy part ;-)
16:29.53jsmithFor connecting to analog phones, analog lines, T1 lines, etc. you should check out the hardware cards made by Digium.
16:31.05jsmithThe most popular card is the TDM400P card, which is a PCI card that supports up to 4 lines or 4 phones.  You can buy that card with 1 FXO port and 1 FXS port (to be able to connect one phone line and one analog phone), or any other combination youd like
16:31.43plarsenFXO ??
16:31.44plarsenFXS ?
16:31.50plarsensorry, I'm pretty much a newb ;)
16:33.19plarsenWell, I would pretty much want to get rid of the old analog phones too, if they have a digital phone with a wireless handset ...
16:33.31plarsen(to keep the house in peace ;)
16:35.20plarsenI have either-cables all over the house (structured wiring). However, the 2nd strand of RJ45's are all dedicated today to phone (they're basically connected into one parallel bunch - everything connected phiscally to everything)
16:35.31jsmithI see..
16:35.35jsmithLet me explain FXO and FXS
16:35.37plarsenGoing digital would most likely have me change that to pure RJ45?
16:35.49jsmithYou plug a phone line (coming from your telephone company) into an FXO port.
16:36.03jsmithYou plug an analog phone into an FXS port.
16:36.28jsmithAn FXO port receives dialtone from the phone company, and *acts* like a phone.
16:36.45jsmithAn FXS port *produces* dialtone to a phone, and *acts* like the phone company.
16:37.12plarsenWouldnt' the ethernet be the FXO then?
16:37.26plarsenMy little Vonage modem is what provides dialtones throughout the house.
16:37.50plarsen*COUGH* $950 FOR A b410p ?? WOAHH!
16:38.51jsmithb410p is BRI, a flavor of ISDN
16:38.54jsmithThat's not what you need.
16:39.04plarsenthe tdm is around $400
16:39.15jsmithYour vonage modem is what we call an ATA -- an "Analog Telephony Adapter".
16:39.26plarsenI know - it was on the front page though, and looked like it was for digital phones ... told ya, I'm a newb ;)
16:39.30jsmithIt's got one or two FXS ports on it, and converts from analog signalling to VoIP
16:39.41plarsenyup!
16:39.49plarsenAnd it doesn't do too good a job unfortunately :(
16:39.49jsmithBRI is what they use in much of Europe (Germany, Austria, etc.)
16:40.09jsmithNope... The TDM card can be cheaper, depending on what modules you get with it.
16:40.34jsmithIf you want to go completely VoIP, just buy yourself some SIP phones and away you go -- no need for a PCI card.
16:41.02plarsenThat's what I'm thinking (what I mean by going "digital")
16:41.08plarsenBut I need one that's wireless
16:41.16plarsenOr the wife aint gonna "buy" it ;)
16:41.31jsmithThere are a number of wireless SIP phones, but none are that great.
16:41.44jsmithJust buy yourself some nice cordless phones and plug them into FXS ports
16:42.01jsmith(avoid the 2.4GHz models, as they'll cause problems with WiFi)
16:42.17plarsenWe're on 5.4 - has been for quite a while
16:42.30plarsenhmmm
16:42.50plarsenStill, all she'll use is the wireless. I'll do nicely with a wired phone in my office
16:43.02plarsenShe might in her office too; but for the rest of the house she walks around chatting ;)
16:43.56jsmithPersonally, I have SIP phones in my office, and wireless phones for my wife ;-)
16:44.13jsmithAs far as SIP phones go, I like the Linksys SPA-942 and SPA-962 models
16:44.28plarsenright - but if the quality is lousy (she keeps complaining about Vonage) - it will not work.
16:45.16plarsenstrangely how they look like the phones you used for your presentation ;)
16:45.39plarsenThey plug directly into CAT5/RJ45 ?
16:45.51jsmithYes
16:45.55plarsenIP based? So I can put them through the usual data switch or do I need a direct link
16:46.01plarsencool
16:46.02jsmithNo, they're IP based.
16:46.15jsmithThey get an IP address from DHCP (or you can statically configure them)
16:46.21plarsenProlly have two switches though or an expensive managed one.
16:46.24jsmithAnd they talk over your IP network to Asterisk.
16:46.38jsmithDepends on how saturated your existing network is.
16:46.43jsmithFor a home setup, I wouldn't worry about it.
16:46.57jsmithFor a business install, I recommend seperate VLANs or seperate networks.
16:48.03plarsenwell, I'm just speaking out of experience for my current setup; but that's mainly on the ISP gateway I have issues. I've setup a QoS on the Vonage MAC addy, but it's still impacted by downloads etc.
16:48.40plarsenright - that's what I was about to suggest - VLAN/separate network. It's just a price of a dumb switch. I have a cable center everything goes to. Pretty easy to make it a separate network.
16:51.34plarsenI'm really getting interested in the Asterisk/PBX home solution.
16:51.46plarsenAll the things you can do ;)
16:52.05plarsenLike customized VM responses ;)
16:52.27plarsenI got minutes long python monologs to use when telemarketers call ;)
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16:56.29jsmithplarsen: Well, I'm here to help out.
16:56.53jsmithplarsen: I'm happy to help out as much as I can ;-)
16:58.08plarsenhehe - well, the project won't really get executed until April or so when I hope I'll get some time/energy to get my feet really wet.
16:58.16plarsenbut thanks :)
16:58.24plarsenDon't think I could get more qualified help ;)
17:58.10jsmithLunch sounds good.
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22:05.34plarsenhey there stickster
22:06.40sticksterplarsen: hi
22:08.06plarsendo you know anything about kipmi??
22:10.07jsmithIPMI?
22:11.29sticksterNada
22:11.36plarsenuhmmm - process name is kipmi ... but yes ;)
22:12.38sticksterkipmi is the kernel piece of that
22:13.32sticksterAll I know is it's for system hardware management, centralized admin and so forth
22:13.48plarsenuhmmm - yep, using it; however it eats a heck of a lot of cpu!
22:13.50sticksterI would bet you could find out more at Intel
22:13.55plarsenwondering if that was normal
22:13.59plarsenhehe -I'm there already ;)
22:14.04jsmithShouldn't take much CPU
22:14.09sticksterUh... not normal
22:14.16sticksterI have almost never seen it in my top list
22:14.17plarsenGot almost 1500 cpu hours on a 34 day uptime system!!
22:14.32sticksterThat seems like either a bug or something very wrong in your configruation
22:14.33plarsenmine is up there most of the time on a idle box.
22:14.45plarsenWell well - that's why I think I need to look into it ;)
22:14.50sticksteryup
22:14.50plarsenI didn't do any config - pure dell install
22:15.06plarsenjsmith, no luck I see ...;)
22:15.20plarsenI like their remote management ... that's pretty cool
22:15.21jsmithNaw, I just really learned to dislike the open-source team at Dell, that's all
22:15.27jsmithThe DRAC stuff is cool.
22:15.31jsmithTheir management tools aren't.
22:15.35plarsenyou, me and everyone else ;)
22:15.41plarsenjsmith, agreed
22:15.53plarsenMS software most of the way. They depend on ActiveX components :(
22:15.58plarsenI did complain ;)
22:16.14jsmithWe ran HP boxes mostly, and could do *everything* we needed -- reconfigure the BIOS, reconfigure the RAID, reconfigure the remote management, all from within our kickstart script
22:16.15plarsenAt least I got their switch management upgraded so they wouldn't refuse non-ie browsers.
22:16.22sticksterjsmith: Matt Domsch works on the Fedora Board... I thought his team was involved in trying to get more Linux support across the board
22:16.40plarsenWell I try to use our corporate pull on Dell
22:17.02plarsenI find it miserable that the company doesn't even distribute firmware upgrades (all of them) on a non dos/windows platform
22:17.11plarsenIn particular when theyuse linux for their management console
22:17.18jsmithstickster: Yeah... but so far it's *mostly* been just jaw flapping.  I was one of the first people to use their Linux tools, and they were so awful we sent 5 million dollars worth of sales to HP
22:17.31sticksterheh
22:17.55jsmithstickster: Just as I was leaving that life for this one, Dell announced they were going to open-source the management tools piece
22:18.13sticksterThat would kind of explain the people I saw complaining when Matt's stuff was first hitting our Planet aggy
22:18.14jsmithstickster: That was a year ago.  As far as I know, the tools still don't work as advertised
22:18.38jsmithI dunno... I don't mind people communicating their views.
22:18.51jsmithI didn't mind reading his stuff on the aggr
22:20.50sticksterNah, me neither... I just remember hearing some folks complaining about Dell overall and some making noises about it suddenly being an ad board... mostly pointless grousing, I'm sure
22:22.15plarsenad board?

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