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16:07.59 | plarsen | hello all |
16:09.01 | jsmith | Good morning plarsen |
16:09.53 | plarsen | I see you survived Saturday's summon ;) |
16:12.21 | plarsen | jsmith, what can you say about SunRocket? Worth considering (considering dropping vonage) |
16:13.15 | jsmith | Sure, they're OK. |
16:13.33 | jsmith | The biggest complaint I have about them is that they don't (or at least didn't) let you use your own devices with their service. |
16:13.39 | jsmith | You may want to check out voicepulse instead. |
16:14.22 | plarsen | will do :) |
16:16.16 | plarsen | jsmith, hmm, they're pricier than vonage :( |
16:16.41 | plarsen | lol - but I did find the asterisk link ;) |
16:17.10 | jsmith | ;-) |
16:19.11 | plarsen | doesn't provide numbers in our area either :( darnit!! |
16:21.15 | plarsen | unless you do residential stuff |
16:21.22 | plarsen | asterisk plans doesn't exist. |
16:23.46 | jsmith | Hmmmn... are you looking for a commercial plan, or a residential plan? |
16:25.30 | plarsen | well, right now I just want a better system than what Vonage has. Too many delays and issues. However, the idea of controlling my own PBX has me thinking :) |
16:25.38 | plarsen | It would be nice to be able to move there eventually. |
16:28.57 | plarsen | jsmith, I'm totally fine with the central part of Asterisk - conceptually. What I don't really find "easy to grasp" is the complexity in the connectivity devices - the hardware needed to physically connect your ethernet and phone jacks to it. |
16:29.19 | jsmith | OK, here goes. |
16:29.32 | jsmith | On the VoIP side, all you need is an ethernet connection. That's the easy part ;-) |
16:29.53 | jsmith | For connecting to analog phones, analog lines, T1 lines, etc. you should check out the hardware cards made by Digium. |
16:31.05 | jsmith | The most popular card is the TDM400P card, which is a PCI card that supports up to 4 lines or 4 phones. You can buy that card with 1 FXO port and 1 FXS port (to be able to connect one phone line and one analog phone), or any other combination youd like |
16:31.43 | plarsen | FXO ?? |
16:31.44 | plarsen | FXS ? |
16:31.50 | plarsen | sorry, I'm pretty much a newb ;) |
16:33.19 | plarsen | Well, I would pretty much want to get rid of the old analog phones too, if they have a digital phone with a wireless handset ... |
16:33.31 | plarsen | (to keep the house in peace ;) |
16:35.20 | plarsen | I have either-cables all over the house (structured wiring). However, the 2nd strand of RJ45's are all dedicated today to phone (they're basically connected into one parallel bunch - everything connected phiscally to everything) |
16:35.31 | jsmith | I see.. |
16:35.35 | jsmith | Let me explain FXO and FXS |
16:35.37 | plarsen | Going digital would most likely have me change that to pure RJ45? |
16:35.49 | jsmith | You plug a phone line (coming from your telephone company) into an FXO port. |
16:36.03 | jsmith | You plug an analog phone into an FXS port. |
16:36.28 | jsmith | An FXO port receives dialtone from the phone company, and *acts* like a phone. |
16:36.45 | jsmith | An FXS port *produces* dialtone to a phone, and *acts* like the phone company. |
16:37.12 | plarsen | Wouldnt' the ethernet be the FXO then? |
16:37.26 | plarsen | My little Vonage modem is what provides dialtones throughout the house. |
16:37.50 | plarsen | *COUGH* $950 FOR A b410p ?? WOAHH! |
16:38.51 | jsmith | b410p is BRI, a flavor of ISDN |
16:38.54 | jsmith | That's not what you need. |
16:39.04 | plarsen | the tdm is around $400 |
16:39.15 | jsmith | Your vonage modem is what we call an ATA -- an "Analog Telephony Adapter". |
16:39.26 | plarsen | I know - it was on the front page though, and looked like it was for digital phones ... told ya, I'm a newb ;) |
16:39.30 | jsmith | It's got one or two FXS ports on it, and converts from analog signalling to VoIP |
16:39.41 | plarsen | yup! |
16:39.49 | plarsen | And it doesn't do too good a job unfortunately :( |
16:39.49 | jsmith | BRI is what they use in much of Europe (Germany, Austria, etc.) |
16:40.09 | jsmith | Nope... The TDM card can be cheaper, depending on what modules you get with it. |
16:40.34 | jsmith | If you want to go completely VoIP, just buy yourself some SIP phones and away you go -- no need for a PCI card. |
16:41.02 | plarsen | That's what I'm thinking (what I mean by going "digital") |
16:41.08 | plarsen | But I need one that's wireless |
16:41.16 | plarsen | Or the wife aint gonna "buy" it ;) |
16:41.31 | jsmith | There are a number of wireless SIP phones, but none are that great. |
16:41.44 | jsmith | Just buy yourself some nice cordless phones and plug them into FXS ports |
16:42.01 | jsmith | (avoid the 2.4GHz models, as they'll cause problems with WiFi) |
16:42.17 | plarsen | We're on 5.4 - has been for quite a while |
16:42.30 | plarsen | hmmm |
16:42.50 | plarsen | Still, all she'll use is the wireless. I'll do nicely with a wired phone in my office |
16:43.02 | plarsen | She might in her office too; but for the rest of the house she walks around chatting ;) |
16:43.56 | jsmith | Personally, I have SIP phones in my office, and wireless phones for my wife ;-) |
16:44.13 | jsmith | As far as SIP phones go, I like the Linksys SPA-942 and SPA-962 models |
16:44.28 | plarsen | right - but if the quality is lousy (she keeps complaining about Vonage) - it will not work. |
16:45.16 | plarsen | strangely how they look like the phones you used for your presentation ;) |
16:45.39 | plarsen | They plug directly into CAT5/RJ45 ? |
16:45.51 | jsmith | Yes |
16:45.55 | plarsen | IP based? So I can put them through the usual data switch or do I need a direct link |
16:46.01 | plarsen | cool |
16:46.02 | jsmith | No, they're IP based. |
16:46.15 | jsmith | They get an IP address from DHCP (or you can statically configure them) |
16:46.21 | plarsen | Prolly have two switches though or an expensive managed one. |
16:46.24 | jsmith | And they talk over your IP network to Asterisk. |
16:46.38 | jsmith | Depends on how saturated your existing network is. |
16:46.43 | jsmith | For a home setup, I wouldn't worry about it. |
16:46.57 | jsmith | For a business install, I recommend seperate VLANs or seperate networks. |
16:48.03 | plarsen | well, I'm just speaking out of experience for my current setup; but that's mainly on the ISP gateway I have issues. I've setup a QoS on the Vonage MAC addy, but it's still impacted by downloads etc. |
16:48.40 | plarsen | right - that's what I was about to suggest - VLAN/separate network. It's just a price of a dumb switch. I have a cable center everything goes to. Pretty easy to make it a separate network. |
16:51.34 | plarsen | I'm really getting interested in the Asterisk/PBX home solution. |
16:51.46 | plarsen | All the things you can do ;) |
16:52.05 | plarsen | Like customized VM responses ;) |
16:52.27 | plarsen | I got minutes long python monologs to use when telemarketers call ;) |
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16:56.29 | jsmith | plarsen: Well, I'm here to help out. |
16:56.53 | jsmith | plarsen: I'm happy to help out as much as I can ;-) |
16:58.08 | plarsen | hehe - well, the project won't really get executed until April or so when I hope I'll get some time/energy to get my feet really wet. |
16:58.16 | plarsen | but thanks :) |
16:58.24 | plarsen | Don't think I could get more qualified help ;) |
17:58.10 | jsmith | Lunch sounds good. |
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22:05.34 | plarsen | hey there stickster |
22:06.40 | stickster | plarsen: hi |
22:08.06 | plarsen | do you know anything about kipmi?? |
22:10.07 | jsmith | IPMI? |
22:11.29 | stickster | Nada |
22:11.36 | plarsen | uhmmm - process name is kipmi ... but yes ;) |
22:12.38 | stickster | kipmi is the kernel piece of that |
22:13.32 | stickster | All I know is it's for system hardware management, centralized admin and so forth |
22:13.48 | plarsen | uhmmm - yep, using it; however it eats a heck of a lot of cpu! |
22:13.50 | stickster | I would bet you could find out more at Intel |
22:13.55 | plarsen | wondering if that was normal |
22:13.59 | plarsen | hehe -I'm there already ;) |
22:14.04 | jsmith | Shouldn't take much CPU |
22:14.09 | stickster | Uh... not normal |
22:14.16 | stickster | I have almost never seen it in my top list |
22:14.17 | plarsen | Got almost 1500 cpu hours on a 34 day uptime system!! |
22:14.32 | stickster | That seems like either a bug or something very wrong in your configruation |
22:14.33 | plarsen | mine is up there most of the time on a idle box. |
22:14.45 | plarsen | Well well - that's why I think I need to look into it ;) |
22:14.50 | stickster | yup |
22:14.50 | plarsen | I didn't do any config - pure dell install |
22:15.06 | plarsen | jsmith, no luck I see ...;) |
22:15.20 | plarsen | I like their remote management ... that's pretty cool |
22:15.21 | jsmith | Naw, I just really learned to dislike the open-source team at Dell, that's all |
22:15.27 | jsmith | The DRAC stuff is cool. |
22:15.31 | jsmith | Their management tools aren't. |
22:15.35 | plarsen | you, me and everyone else ;) |
22:15.41 | plarsen | jsmith, agreed |
22:15.53 | plarsen | MS software most of the way. They depend on ActiveX components :( |
22:15.58 | plarsen | I did complain ;) |
22:16.14 | jsmith | We ran HP boxes mostly, and could do *everything* we needed -- reconfigure the BIOS, reconfigure the RAID, reconfigure the remote management, all from within our kickstart script |
22:16.15 | plarsen | At least I got their switch management upgraded so they wouldn't refuse non-ie browsers. |
22:16.22 | stickster | jsmith: Matt Domsch works on the Fedora Board... I thought his team was involved in trying to get more Linux support across the board |
22:16.40 | plarsen | Well I try to use our corporate pull on Dell |
22:17.02 | plarsen | I find it miserable that the company doesn't even distribute firmware upgrades (all of them) on a non dos/windows platform |
22:17.11 | plarsen | In particular when theyuse linux for their management console |
22:17.18 | jsmith | stickster: Yeah... but so far it's *mostly* been just jaw flapping. I was one of the first people to use their Linux tools, and they were so awful we sent 5 million dollars worth of sales to HP |
22:17.31 | stickster | heh |
22:17.55 | jsmith | stickster: Just as I was leaving that life for this one, Dell announced they were going to open-source the management tools piece |
22:18.13 | stickster | That would kind of explain the people I saw complaining when Matt's stuff was first hitting our Planet aggy |
22:18.14 | jsmith | stickster: That was a year ago. As far as I know, the tools still don't work as advertised |
22:18.38 | jsmith | I dunno... I don't mind people communicating their views. |
22:18.51 | jsmith | I didn't mind reading his stuff on the aggr |
22:20.50 | stickster | Nah, me neither... I just remember hearing some folks complaining about Dell overall and some making noises about it suddenly being an ad board... mostly pointless grousing, I'm sure |
22:22.15 | plarsen | ad board? |