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| 00:56.07 | plarsen_away | howdy howdy |
| 00:56.18 | plarsen | FC7 is RELEASED!! |
| 00:56.22 | plarsen | woohooo |
| 01:03.54 | jsmith | Yeah... I've got a copy |
| 01:03.55 | jsmith | Thanks to stickster_home |
| 01:12.00 | plarsen | hehe - cheat ;) |
| 01:12.14 | jsmith | Yeah... |
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| 01:46.17 | quigleymd | jsmith: hey hey, you around? |
| 01:46.31 | quigleymd | jsmith: i forgot to turn my phone on when i left work, just got your sms |
| 01:47.24 | jsmith | No problem |
| 01:47.24 | quigleymd | jsmith: when I left work, that bt client said i had 3 days left, so I started aother dwld when i got home |
| 01:47.24 | quigleymd | and it has 33 minutes left |
| 01:47.25 | jsmith | OK. |
| 01:47.25 | jsmith | Maybe I can get it from you tomorrow sometime |
| 01:47.25 | quigleymd | you want it tonite? |
| 01:49.22 | quigleymd | :D |
| 01:49.22 | quigleymd | most def, i'll be on 610 all day |
| 01:49.22 | jsmith | Well, I'm not *that* desperate. |
| 01:49.23 | jsmith | Unless you feel like going for a drive. |
| 01:49.23 | quigleymd | naw not so much :p |
| 01:49.23 | quigleymd | just got home from walmart and bloom |
| 01:49.24 | quigleymd | digornios pizza is on sale there for $3.99/ea |
| 01:49.51 | jsmith | It's not delivery... |
| 01:50.15 | quigleymd | its better! |
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| 02:23.24 | plarsen | stickster_home: are you around? |
| 02:27.46 | plarsen | I've had "small" crash on my FC6. It's got LVM running on top of md0 - RAID1. |
| 02:28.04 | plarsen | I've got the recovery running; and I've recovered the md0 which wasn't faulty |
| 02:28.17 | plarsen | lvm shows me the groups etc. but the mapper isn't running |
| 02:28.24 | plarsen | How do I start the mapper "manually" ?? |
| 02:28.33 | plarsen | from the recovery reconsole that is. |
| 02:29.40 | jsmith | Does http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/05/28/lvm-and-rescue-disks help? |
| 02:30.00 | plarsen | ehhh, I have no DNS right now :) |
| 02:30.35 | plarsen | Can you "extract" the essense that I'm looking for/ |
| 02:31.01 | jsmith | For the record, when you boot a system using LVM with a rescue CD you might have to do the following: |
| 02:31.01 | jsmith | vgchange -a y $vgname |
| 02:31.01 | jsmith | Where you get vgname via vgscan. Only then will you be able to mount the logical volumes (which you can find with lvscan), e.g. |
| 02:31.01 | jsmith | mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 /mnt |
| 02:31.01 | jsmith | This is one of those things that isn't too hard to learn, but when you need it is the last time you want to be learning it. |
| 02:31.31 | plarsen | :) thanks ... me me try :) |
| 02:36.42 | plarsen | that did it ... |
| 02:40.22 | plarsen | well, this aint good :( |
| 02:45.22 | plarsen | something SOFTWARE poofed my /home :( |
| 02:46.31 | jsmith | ;-( |
| 02:46.35 | jsmith | :-(, that is |
| 02:46.47 | jsmith | Was your /home on a seperate partition? |
| 02:47.05 | jsmith | Or a seperate logical volume? |
| 02:47.07 | plarsen | Not on this box. It's mainly old files and temporary downloads. |
| 02:47.37 | plarsen | This is a hardware mirror - it holds my pictures and mp3 collection |
| 02:47.44 | plarsen | they're not in /home |
| 02:48.17 | plarsen | I'll have to invest in a USB remote backup disk now :( |
| 02:48.36 | plarsen | I used to have 20/40GB tapes ... but they were too small given the size of disks today |
| 02:48.45 | plarsen | So I just raided the drive .... mirrored it. |
| 02:48.48 | plarsen | GRRRRR |
| 02:49.02 | plarsen | It's run 24/7 approx for 1.5 years now. |
| 02:49.34 | jsmith | 'bout time for the drives to fail, I'm afraid |
| 02:49.39 | jsmith | MTBF is now 18 months |
| 02:51.14 | plarsen | RAID is fine ... that's what I thought first. |
| 02:51.54 | plarsen | although the /boot may have received a wierd issue too ... it totally refused to mount /dev/md0 on boot. I had no problems from recovery console |
| 02:52.05 | jsmith | Weird. |
| 03:05.34 | quigleymd | /quite later dudes |
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| 04:02.44 | plarsen | stickster_home: Do you know what Anaconda looks for to do an upgrade? |
| 04:02.51 | plarsen | stickster_home: It never asks me if I want to upgrade .... |
| 04:31.36 | plarsen | *sniff* .... doing desparate recovery/copy of crashed system. Would probably have to full wipe the frigging box :( |
| 04:31.46 | plarsen | It wipped /etc/inittab :( |
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| 06:02.45 | *** topic/#fredlug is FredLUG: Fredericksburg (VA) Linux Users Group -=- http://fred-lug.org/ -=- All experience levels warmly welcomed -=- Next Meeting: Tuesday June 19 7:00-9:00pm -=- Mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/fredlug/ |
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| 14:10.46 | stickster_home | plarsen_: Is this a box that uses IDE hard disks? |
| 14:29.25 | stickster_home | plarsen_: never mind last bit |
| 14:31.16 | jsmith | stickster_home: Just what kinds of repairs are they making to your car? |
| 14:32.24 | stickster_home | Well, let's see |
| 14:32.29 | stickster_home | 1. 60K service |
| 14:32.35 | stickster_home | 2. New front and rear brake pads and rotors |
| 14:32.56 | stickster_home | 3. Some sort of bushings and linkages in the axle |
| 14:33.20 | stickster_home | There was something actually broken there, and the bushings were rotting |
| 14:33.22 | stickster_home | Oh, and: |
| 14:33.27 | stickster_home | 4. transmission flush |
| 14:33.39 | stickster_home | So, it's a bunch of work, no doubt. |
| 14:34.12 | stickster_home | All that aside, the van's paid for, it's 6 years old and we'll probably hold on to it at least another 6-8 months now |
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| 14:34.51 | stickster_home | They *did* actually tell me that apart from this the motor itself is in superb shape |
| 14:35.02 | plarsen | howdy |
| 14:35.04 | stickster_home | Which one would hope since I keep up with the maintenance and do it all at their shop ;-) |
| 14:38.00 | jsmith | Still sounds pricey |
| 14:38.25 | jsmith | But if it's paid for, just consider a couple of months worth of a car payment, and it doesn't sound so bad |
| 14:41.45 | stickster_home | jsmith: Yeah, I'm not going to cry or anything |
| 14:42.07 | stickster_home | It was a little more than I had hoped it would be for the visit, but it means I don't have to worry about anything until I decide to sell it |
| 14:42.34 | stickster_home | plarsen_: In answer to your question, Anaconda looks for "/etc/fstab" on a mountable partition or LVM volume to figure out if it can upgrade |
| 14:42.59 | stickster_home | cf. /usr/lib/anaconda/partedUtils.py, "findExistingRootPartitions" function |
| 14:46.11 | stickster_home | plarsen: Oops, the above was for you; I autotabbed the wrong nick |
| 14:51.54 | plarsen | stickster_home: hmmm - that file is there ... I have a feeling that the LVM on top of MD0 is too much for the installer :( |
| 14:52.00 | plarsen | It simply skips the question for upgrade. |
| 14:52.25 | stickster_home | Ah, dmraid has been something of a question mark IIRC |
| 14:54.07 | stickster_home | But there was a call for testing this feature a few weeks back, especially if you were using software RAID on IDE disks |
| 14:54.55 | plarsen | stickster_home: That's me :) |
| 14:55.12 | stickster_home | That's why community testing is so important ;-) |
| 14:55.16 | stickster_home | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=151653 |
| 14:56.26 | stickster_home | You know the thing about the libata change I mentioned in Saturday's LUG meeting |
| 14:56.35 | stickster_home | That means your previous drives /dev/hdX are now /dev/sdX |
| 14:56.43 | stickster_home | You might want to have a look at /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 14:57.01 | stickster_home | I don't know exactly how your system is buggered now, i.e. symptoms, but that bug might be helpful in tracking the problem |
| 14:57.06 | plarsen | stickster_home: ahhh, ok this wasn't an FC7 issue ... |
| 14:57.19 | plarsen | it's an FC4 - almost 2 year old install that crapped out on me |
| 14:57.34 | plarsen | I was trying ot get it to FC6 which is the images I had at hand last night |
| 14:57.54 | plarsen | FC6's installer simply never asks ... I setup the mirrors manually after the crash, and they were all hda and hdb |
| 14:59.00 | stickster_home | OK, so you wouldn't have hit that particular issue then |
| 14:59.22 | stickster_home | But that bug I reference above is one that has been around a whilea |
| 14:59.28 | stickster_home | s/a$// |
| 15:01.07 | plarsen | yeah, I apprechiate you letting me know .. that would have come as a nasty surprise ... |
| 15:01.54 | stickster_home | We marked it prominently in the release notes in several places for that reason |
| 15:03.27 | plarsen | how do you do a re-scan for new devices (scsi) ?? |
| 15:04.44 | stickster_home | Well, it should happen automatically for hotplug devices |
| 15:05.15 | stickster_home | For non-hotplug you basically have to issue a reset to the controller, so either via a vendor app or by removing/reinserting the driver module |
| 15:05.28 | plarsen | well, this is cheating ;) I created a new disk on the VM .... not really hot-plugable. |
| 15:06.03 | stickster_home | Oh, if it's via LVM you should be able to just activate it with lvchange, if required |
| 15:06.35 | plarsen | Well, no; I ran out of space. |
| 15:06.48 | plarsen | So I'm trying to add more disk-space by adding a new virtual disk. |
| 15:06.54 | plarsen | It's not LVM Yet ;) |
| 15:06.58 | plarsen | I need to see the physical device first. |
| 15:07.00 | stickster_home | Oh, this is a VM |
| 15:07.15 | plarsen | yep1 |
| 15:07.17 | stickster_home | sorry, I thought you said "LVM" before, not "VM" |
| 15:07.31 | plarsen | It does become an LVM once I see the device ... I'll simply extend the VG |
| 15:08.32 | stickster_home | If you know the controller/ID/LUN, etc. with some adapters you can do "scsi-add-single-device X Y Z Q" >> /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 15:08.43 | stickster_home | I'm not sure if that still works these days |
| 15:09.08 | stickster_home | X = controller, Y = channel, Z = ID, Q = LUN |
| 15:09.14 | plarsen | well, I saw that - but I can only guess a couple of the numbers ;) |
| 15:09.16 | plarsen | ok :) |
| 15:09.24 | stickster_home | If you don't know them they're often 0 |
| 15:09.52 | stickster_home | channel=0 for single-channel adapters, which the VM probably uses, and LUN is very likely 0 for the disk dev |
| 15:11.01 | plarsen | hurray for "rescan-scsi-bus.sh" :) |
| 15:11.11 | stickster_home | there you go |
| 15:11.12 | plarsen | It guessed the right lun etc for me :) |
| 15:12.23 | stickster_home | cool |
| 15:12.25 | jsmith | Wow... I didn't know people were still using rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 15:12.39 | plarsen | jsmith: I haven't used it in AGES ... but it's still out there :) |
| 15:14.12 | plarsen | GOD - I love LVM!! |
| 15:14.13 | stickster_home | I think I've been using the /proc trick for the last 9 years |
| 15:14.14 | plarsen | Thanks guys ;) |
| 15:14.21 | stickster_home | LVM r0x0rz |
| 15:14.37 | plarsen | I can never guess the right device numbers ... i don't know what it is, but I must be device "deaf and dumb" .... |
| 15:15.18 | stickster_home | Hey, I got an award! |
| 15:15.39 | stickster_home | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RedHatMagazine/~3/121073568/ |
| 15:15.44 | stickster_home | oops, http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/05/31/announcing-the-fedora-award-winners-for-2007/ |
| 15:17.02 | jsmith | stickster_home: Awesome! Congratulations! |
| 15:17.51 | stickster_home | Funny how these things turn up in your RSS feed reader |
| 15:19.33 | jsmith | What, this is the first you've heard of it?!? |
| 15:20.05 | stickster_home | Well, Greg told me he wanted something to put in a RHM article but he didn't say what it was going to be |
| 15:20.28 | stickster_home | I thought it was going to be one of those "various people and what they do" things |
| 15:20.46 | stickster_home | Heh, not like there's a stipend or anything :-D |
| 15:20.58 | stickster_home | But the warm fuzzies are nice |
| 15:22.47 | plarsen | you're kidding????? |
| 15:22.54 | plarsen | CONGRATS!! |
| 15:23.05 | plarsen | SPEECH!! We need a speech!! |
| 15:23.48 | plarsen | I mean it - congrats Paul |
| 15:30.39 | stickster_home | heh |
| 15:33.19 | jsmith | Yeah! I mean it too... I'd buy you lunch to celebrate, but you went out to lunch yesterday. |
| 15:34.19 | plarsen | lol - well, we better remember this at next Fredlug meeting! |
| 15:34.30 | plarsen | We got a celeb among us! |
| 15:35.10 | jsmith | That's right... our puppet dictator for life is famous! |
| 15:42.20 | stickster_home | ha ha |
| 16:11.42 | plarsen | lunch time |
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| 18:08.51 | quigleymd_work | jsmith: where you at foo |
| 18:10.06 | jsmith | quigleymd_work: Been busy... what time works best for you today? |
| 18:20.13 | quigleymd_work | im totally open |
| 18:20.18 | quigleymd_work | ill be at work til between 6 and 7 |
| 18:22.58 | quigleymd_work | so you can stop by here any time between now and 6 or 7 |
| 18:23.04 | quigleymd_work | or by my house later :) |
| 18:25.19 | jsmith | OK... I'm gonna have to play it by ear. |
| 18:25.40 | jsmith | I'm gonna try to sneak away before dinner, but otherwise I'll stop by when I take my wife on a date tonight |
| 18:27.39 | quigleymd_work | coo :) |
| 18:27.44 | quigleymd_work | you know how to get me :) |
| 18:27.54 | jsmith | Yup. |
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