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| 01:12.28 | stickster | Yikes |
| 01:14.21 | jsmith | stickster: Don't worry... I was trying to shoot a groundhog in the garden |
| 01:14.26 | jsmith | stickster: But I missed, so I took a little walk |
| 01:14.43 | jsmith | I saw seven rabbits, a possum, a wild turkey, and two deer |
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| 17:45.34 | plarsen | Good morning/afternoon :) |
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| 18:58.26 | stickster | Hi all |
| 19:10.09 | plarsen | Hey stickster |
| 19:10.16 | stickster | Hi plarsen |
| 19:10.25 | plarsen | Seems like quite time in the mailling list again? |
| 19:10.35 | plarsen | Happy Sunday |
| 19:12.09 | plarsen | So what are you up to this fine Sunday? |
| 19:12.26 | stickster | Actually, just getting a blog post ready and catching up on email |
| 19:13.17 | plarsen | I'm trying to figure out how to mount a linux nfs onto OpenSolaris 10 .... |
| 19:13.26 | stickster | Enjoying some nice junmai ginjō saké |
| 19:13.33 | plarsen | :) |
| 19:13.37 | plarsen | Wish that was me ... |
| 19:14.34 | stickster | So I found out that Total Wine carries a brand called "Mura Mura" which is actually a relabeling of the Momokawa label by SakeOne, one of the only America saké makers of excellent repute |
| 19:15.09 | stickster | And apparently the only American-*owned* one |
| 19:15.59 | plarsen | uhmmm - is anything made in America these days? |
| 19:15.59 | stickster | Gekkeikan is made here in the US too, in California, and their "standard" label you find in most groceries turns out to be quite good |
| 19:16.00 | stickster | It's run by a 350+ year old Japanese company though |
| 19:16.05 | stickster | Which is fine, I bought some of that too, no xenophobia here |
| 19:16.16 | plarsen | Well, given that it's SAKE they sell, I don't see a problem ;) |
| 19:16.42 | stickster | Exactly |
| 19:16.58 | stickster | It would be weird if Japanese ownership took over McD's |
| 19:17.05 | plarsen | But I wonder why we need to get our dog-food from half away around the world ;) |
| 19:17.16 | plarsen | Got my doubt .. they may get their meat there ;) |
| 19:17.31 | stickster | Friends and I were discussing this very problem the other day. |
| 19:17.48 | stickster | It's all in pursuit of the mighty dollar and highest profit margins -- it makes *NO* sense for us to be importing this stuff from China |
| 19:18.08 | stickster | We import wheat, lots of stuff that makes NO sense |
| 19:18.16 | stickster | Meanwhile, family farmers can't make ends meet in this country |
| 19:18.30 | plarsen | yup |
| 19:18.32 | stickster | I don't know the solutions, not much of an economics brain, but that's screwed up no matter how you look at it |
| 19:18.50 | plarsen | That's why you had border/durance in the past. To protect your local markets. |
| 19:19.16 | plarsen | But in the name of globalization ... we don't have a world government but we sure do treat it like such on the economic side. |
| 19:19.33 | plarsen | The result is we move production to places without production or the same standard of living. |
| 19:19.45 | plarsen | Hence, we actually - directly - live of other people's poverty |
| 19:19.57 | stickster | Exactly, it's like enforced vampirism |
| 19:20.27 | stickster | Because there's so little awareness of the implications, the vast middle class unknowingly keeps contributing to the problem |
| 19:20.56 | plarsen | And if you look at the immigration debate, the same position is defeneded "they do the work we won't do" ... which is a mismomer ... they should be saying: "They do the work for less than we'll do". |
| 19:21.02 | stickster | Right. |
| 19:21.26 | plarsen | Same issue all over again. There's no social responsability. The impact of the factory on the local and state economy is no longer an issue. |
| 19:22.20 | plarsen | All part of the same "global" way of thought. Where you equalize all of earth into one big pot ... dispite the different backgrounds etc. |
| 19:23.01 | plarsen | And the day the US looses it ability to buy (well, we just seem to be printing more money - the US haven't made money in decades) the house of cards falls. |
| 19:26.44 | stickster | With our trade deficit being what it is, seems like an unsustainable situation to me. |
| 19:27.40 | plarsen | It is ... and part of our problem is that we don't have "control" anymore. Imagine if the US gets another "bush" who's idea of peace is "preemptive attack on China" ... they don't even need to fire a single shoot to criple the US. |
| 19:28.30 | plarsen | That's how the US got Japan ... it depended 100% on external resources to sustain itself and it's war-machine |
| 19:28.42 | plarsen | Ohhh well :) |
| 19:34.09 | stickster | For some values of "work" |
| 19:36.03 | plarsen | hehe - that's what I like about weekends. No guilty feeling about diversions in the degrees of "work" :) |
| 20:08.12 | stickster | wives rock |