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| 04:52.04 | plarsen | ~alone |
| 04:52.12 | plarsen | HA - all alone |
| 04:52.29 | plarsen | ~say entertain me |
| 04:52.30 | infobot | entertain me |
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| 14:17.40 | plarsen | good morning |
| 14:17.48 | plarsen | hey, I'm not alone today ;) |
| 14:17.55 | jsmith | Nope... I'm here! |
| 14:18.09 | jsmith | stickster is in Seattle, I think |
| 14:18.16 | jsmith | quigley is obviously still asleep |
| 14:18.24 | jsmith | Everyone else is hiding |
| 14:19.04 | plarsen | hehe |
| 14:19.22 | plarsen | We should name our group "The Austriches" :D |
| 14:19.35 | plarsen | Putting their heads in the sand is their way of life ..... |
| 14:20.00 | jsmith | Exactly! |
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| 14:51.25 | jsmith | Welcome back, stickster_afk |
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| 15:45.11 | stickster | Hi jsmith-away |
| 15:45.22 | stickster | I guess my wife rebooted the home system at some point |
| 15:47.04 | jsmith-away | stickster: No problem |
| 15:48.57 | stickster | jsmith: Did I miss anything good? |
| 15:49.05 | stickster | Anybody make the Tuesday meeting? |
| 15:50.33 | stickster | Ugh, Evolution has big problems with the latest updates in Rawhide. |
| 15:53.04 | jsmith | stickster: No, nothing new... just plarsen and I commented on how we were the only ones in the channel this morning |
| 15:53.25 | jsmith | stickster: I'm using Rawhide on a test box here, but no way I'm gonna let it screw up my email! |
| 15:57.02 | stickster | haha |
| 15:57.26 | stickster | Yeah, the newest update kills GPG signing. Since I use that for all my Fedora email, that's kind of a problem. :-) |
| 15:57.59 | jsmith | That would be problematic, yes :-) |
| 15:58.28 | stickster | BZ 338191 |
| 15:58.37 | jsmith | Reminds me of a bug in Asterisk... RSA authentication is now broken because somebody decided to null-terminate the buffers, which meant chopping off the last digit of the RSA key |
| 15:59.06 | jsmith | Time to reboot and see... |
| 16:00.14 | stickster | nice |
| 16:03.32 | jsmith | Nope |
| 16:03.36 | jsmith | Still crashes |
| 16:04.25 | jsmith | BZ 320941 |
| 16:06.54 | stickster | bugger |
| 16:07.17 | jsmith | I can run it manually, but then I've gotta change resolv.conf, etc. manually |
| 16:07.34 | stickster | ugh, that's the suck. |
| 16:07.40 | jsmith | So I installed Rawhide on this box to do two things... check out the new NetworkManager, and play with Xen |
| 16:07.52 | jsmith | Both are b0rked |
| 16:08.01 | stickster | OK, openvnc notwithstanding, though, NM is working better for me this release |
| 16:08.04 | jsmith | But that's OK... it's rawhide |
| 16:08.29 | jsmith | stickster: Mind if I ask you a DocBook question? (You may not know the answer) |
| 16:08.58 | stickster | please, and I probably won't :-D |
| 16:09.22 | jsmith | OK, so I'm writing a manual in DocBook for work |
| 16:09.27 | jsmith | And using FOP to turn it into a PDF |
| 16:10.03 | jsmith | And it's working great, except for the headers at the top of each page. |
| 16:10.20 | jsmith | They get scrunched into the width of the indentation of the body text |
| 16:10.24 | jsmith | Here, let me grab a picture |
| 16:11.10 | stickster | You're probably beyond my meager skills already, but yeah, let's look at it |
| 16:11.57 | jsmith | http://www.asteriskdocs.org/book6.png |
| 16:12.36 | stickster | Hm, so it's like the box model has it as a first column instead of a first row. |
| 16:12.39 | stickster | If that makes any sense. |
| 16:12.48 | stickster | I am a FOP/PDF idiot so bear with me. |
| 16:12.55 | jsmith | No problem... |
| 16:13.05 | jsmith | I'll try xmlto in the meantime |
| 16:13.16 | stickster | I think that's probably worse if anything |
| 16:13.32 | stickster | Ignacio mentioned that we ought to look at libcairo, which has PDF rendering as a built-in function |
| 16:13.47 | stickster | I have no idea how that would work, but he seems to think it's very promising |
| 16:15.58 | jsmith | Ignacio submitted an xmlroff package to extras (it supposedly uses cairo), but it hasn't been accepted yet |
| 16:16.04 | jsmith | (granted, the spec file needs some cleanup) |
| 16:17.03 | stickster | Ooo, I need to look at that |
| 16:17.18 | stickster | So, in short, I have no answer for your DocBook question, though. |
| 16:17.35 | stickster | Sorry, I'm very much an idiot at this level. |
| 16:19.19 | jsmith | No problem... I've asked in #docbook, but so far there's absolute silence in that channel |
| 16:19.27 | jsmith | Do you think Ignacio would know? |
| 16:19.28 | stickster | :-( |
| 16:19.45 | stickster | It's definitely worth a shot, he's an ace in a lot of areas |
| 18:56.01 | plarsen | jsmith: By any chance, do you know what compat-libstdc++-devel does/did? |
| 18:57.02 | jsmith | Unfortunately, yes |
| 18:57.29 | jsmith | So let's say you have a binary that was compiled against an older version of the standard C libraries. |
| 18:57.54 | jsmith | But since the program was written, Linux has evolved, and the standard C libraries have changed to the point where they're no longer compatible with the old ones |
| 18:58.18 | jsmith | The compat-libstdc++-devel libraries basically provide the old libraries so that the old code can still work |
| 18:58.21 | jsmith | (Does that make sense?) |
| 19:11.15 | plarsen | well, sorta knew that basic def |
| 19:11.22 | plarsen | HOWEVER, it's poofed in RHES4 :( |
| 19:11.31 | plarsen | And I wonder why the -devel is gone but the non -devel is still there |
| 19:11.35 | plarsen | Are they the same now? |
| 19:11.53 | plarsen | In other words can I ignore the app crying for the -devel to be there if I have the non-devel? |
| 19:12.09 | plarsen | I hate being at work - ppl bug me all the time ;) |
| 19:12.10 | plarsen | hehe |
| 19:12.13 | plarsen | Sorry for the late reply |
| 19:12.23 | plarsen | jsmith: ping ;) |
| 19:17.07 | jsmith | plarsen: Pong |
| 19:17.12 | jsmith | (Sorry, was eating my lunch) |
| 19:20.52 | plarsen | np |
| 19:22.39 | jsmith | plarsen: I'm pretty sure I've used it in RHEL 4 |
| 19:22.44 | jsmith | plarsen: Hold please... |
| 19:23.04 | plarsen | http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/release-notes/es-x86/ |
| 19:23.10 | plarsen | It's under removed packages |
| 19:23.13 | plarsen | up2date cannot find it. |
| 19:23.22 | jsmith | I think it got version numbers added to the end |
| 19:23.30 | plarsen | it does |
| 19:23.36 | plarsen | but it's still not there ;) |
| 19:24.19 | jsmith | Try compat-libstdc++-33 |
| 19:27.58 | plarsen | Got that |
| 19:28.16 | plarsen | Is that a replacement? |
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| 19:40.45 | jsmith | plarsen: Yeah, I think so |
| 19:40.48 | jsmith | quigleymd! |
| 19:45.31 | plarsen | well, let's see ;) |
| 19:45.43 | plarsen | Starting the big oracle install telling it to "forget about it" :) |
| 19:57.40 | plarsen | Well, link succeeded :) |
| 19:57.55 | plarsen | Had to hardwire their config files. They've removed the "ignore" option in the installer :( |
| 20:33.21 | quigleymd | jsmith: mr smith! |
| 20:34.19 | jsmith | quigleymd: See private message |
