| 01:11.57 | stickster | We had cake and presents... Ethan is 4 today |
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| 14:51.11 | stickster_work | Morning jsmith :-) |
| 15:10.55 | jsmith | Morning stickster_work |
| 16:19.28 | jsmith | quigleymd! |
| 16:19.32 | jsmith | You're alive! |
| 16:19.35 | quigleymd | jsmith: goodmornign |
| 16:19.40 | quigleymd | jsmith: yea, i've bene OOT |
| 16:19.45 | quigleymd | as in, out of town |
| 16:19.56 | jsmith | Yeah, so I noticed |
| 16:20.10 | jsmith | That's OK... I'm leaving again on Sunday ;-) |
| 16:20.34 | quigleymd | jsmith: :) travel is overrated :) |
| 16:20.40 | quigleymd | jsmith: you gone all next week? |
| 16:21.00 | jsmith | quigleymd: Yeah, I've got a "special" training class to deliver |
| 16:21.32 | quigleymd | jsmith: 10-4, there was talk of having larry down for some work related stuff. If he comes we wont call you for lunch |
| 16:22.40 | quigleymd | jsmith: g2g take it easy! |
| 16:23.40 | jsmith | quigleymd: Unless we do that tomorrow ;-) |
| 18:07.51 | quigleymd | jsmith: sorry, tomorrow wont work |
| 18:07.59 | quigleymd | jsmith: i have some mandatory stuff that i have to attend |
| 18:08.06 | quigleymd | jsmith: id think stickster_work does too :) |
| 18:08.34 | jsmith | quigleymd: Ah... oh well |
| 18:08.47 | jsmith | No big deal |
| 18:42.24 | stickster_work | quigleymd: Whatchutalkinbout Willis? |
| 18:45.07 | stickster_work | I don't think I have anything scheduled for tomorrow |
| 18:45.26 | stickster_work | jsmith: Wanna do a FOP thing at FUDCon? |
| 18:47.36 | jsmith | stickster_work: I was just thinking that same thing... I think I'll be in Huntsville at least until Friday night though... hold on. |
| 18:47.44 | stickster_work | Aw crap. |
| 18:47.53 | stickster_work | If you fly back to Raleigh, I'll pick you up! |
| 18:50.56 | stickster_work | jsmith: I think I'll have a suite-type hotel room if I can swing things right |
| 18:53.29 | jsmith | stickster_work: OK... still trying to get confirmation. |
| 18:53.48 | jsmith | stickster_work: If I flew into Raleigh, could I catch a ride back w/ you? |
| 19:02.25 | jsmith | Yeah, I've gotta be in HSV at least through noon on the 11th... |
| 19:09.03 | stickster_work | jsmith: ABSOLUTELY! |
| 19:09.36 | jsmith | stickster_work: OK, I should be able to make that work... Gotta make sure the wife is OK with that, but she should be |
| 19:10.02 | jsmith | I'd be happy to show some Asterisk hacking as well, if anybody is interested |
| 20:33.29 | stickster_work | jsmith: That sounds like an awesome plan |
| 20:34.15 | jsmith | stickster_work: I just got approval ;-) |
| 20:34.20 | stickster_work | W00t! |
| 20:34.30 | stickster_work | I know it's early, but you have my cell #, right? |
| 20:35.09 | jsmith | Nope... but I probably do now ;-) |
| 20:35.14 | stickster_work | ;-) |
| 20:43.08 | jsmith | Now to find a good flight into RDU at a decent time |
| 20:43.11 | jsmith | Hmmmn... |
| 20:43.33 | jsmith | If I flew out of Richmond, you could drop me back off at the airport there... hmmmn... |
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| 20:48.52 | plarsen | hmm - thought I was already logged in ... |
| 20:48.55 | plarsen | howdy :) |
| 20:49.12 | plarsen | jsmith: if you're around I got a Q for two |
| 20:49.15 | jsmith | plarsen: Welcome back |
| 20:49.19 | jsmith | plarsen: sure! |
| 20:49.46 | plarsen | I've gotten the honor of producing a wish list for our internal lab. |
| 20:50.01 | plarsen | So I'm doing some calculations ... and I thought you may be the guy to see if I'm crazy or not ;) |
| 20:50.33 | plarsen | I'm proposing a VM based environment, where all development, staging and patch-testing occurs. |
| 20:50.49 | plarsen | We'll have our product on the VM in different versions and modes .... |
| 20:51.00 | plarsen | HOWEVER - when I add up the disks I get like 16TB :) |
| 20:51.20 | plarsen | That's for 3 different production versions plus our internal product development |
| 20:51.24 | plarsen | I get 200MB |
| 20:51.27 | plarsen | 200GB RAM |
| 20:52.05 | plarsen | So I wonder ... in your oppinion, having been doing host center installs etc. What's the normal size/number of servers for a development/lab environment? |
| 20:52.23 | plarsen | Btw. a production system to us is 5 servers working in a small networked environment. |
| 20:52.30 | plarsen | It's not just a single serer |
| 20:52.31 | plarsen | server* |
| 20:54.21 | jsmith | I wouldn't do a lab with anything less than a rack of servers |
| 20:54.59 | jsmith | If a production system takes 5 servers, then you'd gonna need three or four times that many *at a minimum* to effectively test, let alone do development |
| 20:55.32 | plarsen | right :) |
| 20:57.16 | plarsen | So ... 5*3*4 (4 environments)=60 :) |
| 20:57.35 | plarsen | Adding disks/ram etc. for those yields the sizes I gave you |
| 20:57.38 | plarsen | So that makes sense to you? |
| 20:57.42 | jsmith | Makes sense to me |
| 20:57.50 | plarsen | I just think 16G for a "lab" is enourmous ;) |
| 20:57.53 | jsmith | You gonna use independent disks, or SAN/NAS? |
| 20:57.57 | plarsen | 16T! |
| 20:58.01 | plarsen | SAN |
| 20:58.09 | jsmith | 16T is nothing... |
| 20:58.10 | plarsen | CX300 is what we have now |
| 20:58.14 | plarsen | Asking Dell for advice ;) |
| 20:58.15 | jsmith | ... it'll be gone before you know it |
| 20:58.22 | plarsen | Ohh I know. |
| 20:58.27 | plarsen | I have 3T now, and I'm out of space! |
| 20:58.46 | jsmith | In my experience, you often need *more* in the lab than you do in production, especially when testing new versions, etc. |
| 20:58.56 | plarsen | yeah |
| 20:58.59 | jsmith | (or fixing database problems -- but that's a story for another day) |
| 20:59.06 | plarsen | :) that too |
| 21:03.27 | plarsen | thanks... I'll return to my wish-list then :) |
| 21:03.32 | jsmith | My experience has also shown that it's often more important to have extra resources close at hand (in a lab, etc.) than in production when there are problems. |
| 21:04.01 | plarsen | My issue is to questimate the future need ..... |
| 21:04.14 | jsmith | Usually, you end up saying "We could fix that problem here, if we only had the resouces at hand..." |
| 21:04.25 | plarsen | :) that's our motto today ;) |
| 21:12.59 | stickster_work | My SAN here is considered pretty modest at 24T |
| 21:13.25 | stickster_work | We need space more than bandwidth, though, so that skews our usage off the norm a bit |
| 23:26.25 | plarsen | stickster_afk: what SAN hardware are you using? |