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| 13:40.13 | *** topic/#fredlug is FredLUG - Fredericksburg (VA) Linux Users Group | http://fredlug.tux.org/ | All experience levels warmly welcomed | Next Meeting: Thursday Oct 2, 2008 at 7pm |
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| 14:52.58 | nmcbride | stickster: how come there is no xorg.conf in 10 beta 2? |
| 14:53.08 | nmcbride | I need to force the resolution |
| 14:53.23 | stickster | nmcbride: The newer Xorg works without an xorg.conf on a lot of hardware |
| 14:53.28 | nmcbride | bah |
| 14:53.33 | nmcbride | can I override that? |
| 14:53.38 | stickster | To force the resolution I think you can provide some sort of info on the boot command line |
| 14:53.52 | nmcbride | is this also why there are to ati drivers for fedora 9? |
| 14:53.54 | stickster | Or at worst, run 'system-config-display --reconfig' which generates a new xorg.cofn |
| 14:53.55 | stickster | *conf |
| 14:54.17 | stickster | nmcbride: ATI is a separate issue -- but it's an ATI issue, not a Fedora one |
| 14:54.26 | nmcbride | there is not system-config-display |
| 14:54.36 | stickster | nmcbride: On the beta live disc, there's not? |
| 14:54.40 | stickster | not running one here |
| 14:54.48 | nmcbride | I installed from the beta dvd |
| 14:55.48 | nmcbride | If I go under System -> Look and Feel -> Hardware -> Resolution |
| 14:55.58 | stickster | You can 'yum install system-config-display' if needed |
| 14:56.00 | nmcbride | I can't get the size I want because it's an 'unknown' montitor |
| 14:56.09 | stickster | Apparently it's not installed by default |
| 14:56.15 | nmcbride | ok |
| 14:56.16 | stickster | Under discussion this very morning in #fedora-qa apparently |
| 14:56.24 | nmcbride | lol go me ^^ |
| 14:57.00 | nmcbride | in the kernel names |
| 14:57.05 | nmcbride | what does rc8 and git 4 mean? |
| 16:39.40 | stickster | nmcbride: rc == release candidate |
| 16:39.50 | stickster | git is the SCM used for the kernel |
| 16:40.55 | stickster | meaning it's probably based on a copy of the git master branch |
| 16:41.18 | stickster | If there was a further patch to fix something but the source is the same, it would change to git5, iirc |
| 16:42.52 | nmcbride | ah thanks |
| 17:02.18 | stickster | waves at jsmith |
| 17:02.54 | jsmith | Hey stickster... how goes? |
| 17:03.00 | stickster | Pretty well |
| 17:03.02 | jsmith | is battling car problems over lunch |
| 17:03.07 | stickster | oh, ouch |
| 17:04.01 | stickster | jsmith: Something pernicious? |
| 17:07.01 | jsmith | stickster: Let's just say it's either the crankshaft or camshaft position sensors, or something a whole lot worse :-/ |
| 17:07.27 | stickster | Ugh |
| 17:07.58 | jsmith | And so far, I haven't even found where said sensors are located, and I'm looking at the dealership's repair manual |
| 17:08.10 | jsmith | So I'm in way over my head to begin with |
| 17:19.45 | stickster | jsmith: yikes. |
| 17:19.49 | stickster | gets back from afk, sorry |
| 17:20.07 | jsmith | stickster: No worries... |
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| 20:34.30 | GGD_afk | greetings all |
| 20:35.24 | GGD | stickster? |
| 20:35.34 | stickster | GGD: what's up? |
| 20:35.44 | GGD | i have a fedora question for you |
| 20:36.20 | stickster | Shoot |
| 20:39.35 | GGD | you here? |
| 20:39.56 | stickster | yup |
| 20:40.10 | GGD | i installed fedora 9 from CD and it installed ok |
| 20:40.18 | GGD | but when i try to go to the internet or do a yum to install a package it will not resolve the address etc |
| 20:40.25 | GGD | although i can putty into itt |
| 20:40.32 | GGD | and i know the ip and SN and GW and DNS are all correct |
| 20:40.36 | stickster | How does your /etc/resolv.conf file look? |
| 20:41.03 | stickster | And how are you connected to the internet? |
| 20:41.08 | GGD | i dont' know as i am at home not at work |
| 20:41.18 | GGD | through the office network |
| 20:41.19 | stickster | Oh, is the box at work? |
| 20:41.22 | GGD | yes |
| 20:41.25 | stickster | OK. |
| 20:41.37 | stickster | Is the box connected to an office network? |
| 20:41.43 | GGD | yes |
| 20:41.56 | GGD | and all the ip info is correct |
| 20:41.58 | stickster | Do you control that network's DNS servers, or do you know how they're configured? |
| 20:42.13 | GGD | as i can putty into it from a different machine |
| 20:42.18 | GGD | no i don't |
| 20:42.22 | stickster | Right, so it's getting an address from DNS. |
| 20:42.24 | GGD | would there be a difference? |
| 20:42.29 | GGD | yes |
| 20:42.30 | stickster | sorry |
| 20:42.34 | stickster | My brain is fried today. |
| 20:42.39 | stickster | Right, so it's getting an address from *DHCP*. |
| 20:42.45 | GGD | its cool man i have those days too |
| 20:42.53 | GGD | no its a static ip |
| 20:42.57 | stickster | Oh. |
| 20:43.07 | stickster | Did you get that static IP from whoever's running that network? |
| 20:43.10 | GGD | yes |
| 20:43.13 | GGD | and it work |
| 20:43.15 | GGD | works |
| 20:43.23 | stickster | Did they give you DNS server addresses too? |
| 20:43.33 | GGD | as i had RHEL 4.0 on the same box before i put on fedora |
| 20:43.37 | GGD | and it worked |
| 20:43.42 | GGD | not a prob |
| 20:43.51 | GGD | yes |
| 20:44.04 | stickster | OK. You may want to make sure that NetworkManager is *not* running on that system. |
| 20:44.13 | stickster | as root: /sbin/service NetworkManager stop |
| 20:44.13 | GGD | and my M$ box hits it just fine outside |
| 20:44.17 | GGD | network manager? |
| 20:44.21 | GGD | ok |
| 20:44.22 | stickster | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.49 | stickster | Then from the menu, check System > Administration > Network |
| 20:44.55 | GGD | oh ok |
| 20:44.59 | GGD | i will do that |
| 20:45.00 | stickster | And make sure the interface is configured as you expect |
| 20:45.11 | stickster | Once you do that, you may need to bring the network service down and back up |
| 20:45.20 | stickster | i.e. /sbin/service network restart |
| 20:45.32 | GGD | also is fedora "locked up" be default? |
| 20:45.37 | stickster | ? |
| 20:45.58 | stickster | By default there's a firewall enabled that doesn't have any open ports other than SSH, if I recall correctly. |
| 20:46.08 | stickster | Plus SELinux should be in Enforcing mode, which also helps. |
| 20:46.20 | GGD | i had a buddy in another part of the office scan the box and couldn't find anything openn to hit upon |
| 20:46.51 | stickster | The default configuration should be fairly secure for most people, but YMMV |
| 20:46.59 | GGD | ymmv? |
| 20:47.03 | stickster | Your Mileage May Vary |
| 20:47.15 | GGD | ok?/ forgive me i don't understand that |
| 20:47.34 | stickster | np |
| 20:47.36 | stickster | Oops |
| 20:47.38 | stickster | No problem |
| 20:47.44 | GGD | no i got that |
| 20:47.47 | GGD | :) |
| 20:47.52 | stickster | cool :-) |
| 20:47.52 | GGD | np i got |
| 20:48.02 | GGD | i am learning all this stuff :) |
| 20:48.17 | GGD | its been a while since i hit a linux/unix box |
| 20:49.08 | GGD | and i would love to get into it more |
| 20:49.17 | GGD | as i think this is the way to go |
| 20:49.38 | GGD | and i am glad that Fred has a group like this |
| 20:49.41 | stickster | I usually use Empathy for IM, along with telepathy-* stuff for supporting different connections like GTalk, AIM, etc. |
| 20:50.16 | GGD | the reason that i as is that i am on yahoo at work and wanted to hit you up there if i run into issues |
| 20:50.19 | GGD | if you don't mind |
| 20:50.33 | stickster | I really don't have time to do a lot of technical support 1-on-1, hope you understand |
| 20:50.39 | GGD | sure |
| 20:50.43 | stickster | But we have the #fedora IRC channel, which could help |
| 20:50.58 | stickster | There's also FedoraForum.org if you have time to do forum posts and wait for an answer that way |
| 20:51.12 | GGD | and i would galdly jump onto that but IRC isn't happy looked good upon |
| 20:51.39 | stickster | Just from a network perspective? |
| 20:51.51 | GGD | security |
| 20:51.53 | stickster | There are some free web gateways out there you can use if you're worried about non-port-80 traffic. |
| 20:52.10 | GGD | oh yea? |
| 20:52.39 | stickster | GGD: http://www.mibbit.com/ |
| 20:52.44 | stickster | (for instance) |
| 20:52.59 | GGD | awesome |
| 20:53.01 | GGD | thank you |
| 20:53.06 | stickster | GGD: Just use the IRC connection to Freenode, and join #fedora |
| 20:53.19 | stickster | GGD: You may want to check this over too: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC |
| 20:53.25 | stickster | There are some hints and guidelines there |
| 20:53.38 | GGD | if you are ever in fred |
| 20:53.49 | stickster | Remember that some people in any large crowd (and #fedora has many 100's) are jerks -- avoid or ignore them :-) |
| 20:54.02 | GGD | gotcha |
| 20:54.09 | GGD | if you are ever in fred |
| 20:54.13 | GGD | hit me up |
| 20:55.52 | GGD | you still there |
| 21:01.17 | stickster | Sorry, was working |
| 21:01.19 | stickster | Yup |
| 21:01.22 | stickster | Will do |
| 21:01.37 | GGD | sorry i didn't know if you were gon or not |
| 21:01.42 | GGD | gne |
| 21:01.45 | GGD | arrgh |
| 21:28.12 | jsmith | stickster: Got a minute? |
| 21:28.19 | stickster | Sure |
| 21:28.35 | jsmith | stickster: Just installed F10Beta, and having an epic failure... wondered if you had time to debug before I wipe and try again |
| 21:28.43 | stickster | whoa-oh |
| 21:28.58 | stickster | needs to install and taste the pain |
| 21:28.59 | jsmith | stickster: Installation went fine, except I think NetworkManager seg-faulted at the very end of the install (when I told it to reboot) |
| 21:29.23 | jsmith | stickster: On boot-up, I get the fugly plymouth screen (white bar chasing light blue chasing dark blue) |
| 21:29.34 | stickster | jsmith: I found out what the nice one requires |
| 21:29.43 | stickster | jsmith: You need to add "vga=0x317" or a like mode to your GRUB |
| 21:29.51 | jsmith | It gets to the point where the white bar eats the blue bars and "Fedora 9.1.91" turns white, and then it hangs |
| 21:30.01 | stickster | Um, ugh. |
| 21:30.03 | jsmith | I don't get any kind of GRUB screen at all... still not sure why |
| 21:30.15 | stickster | jsmith: Ah, it's a quick catch -- in the release notes |
| 21:30.24 | stickster | You have to hit space bar or something pretty darn fast |
| 21:30.31 | stickster | Basically the timeout is turned off in GRUB now |
| 21:30.32 | jsmith | If I hit the right arrow key, I get a blank screen with a blinking cursor is all |
| 21:30.34 | stickster | (by default) |
| 21:30.37 | jsmith | Gotcha |
| 21:31.53 | stickster | jsmith: And I think removing "rhgb" from the boot line works as it used to, to turn plymouth off if you need to see the display for debugging. |
| 21:32.23 | jsmith | OK... now I've got the fancy plymouth, but it still hangs |
| 21:32.28 | stickster | Argh. |
| 21:32.40 | stickster | Yeah, try without the "rhgb" and see what that reveals |
| 21:32.46 | jsmith | (Well, the little animation continues, until I press the right arrow, at which time it hangs) |
| 21:33.49 | stickster | Eww. |
| 21:34.31 | jsmith | Booted without Plymouth (rhgb) and it prompts me for my LUKS password |
| 21:34.40 | jsmith | I type it, and it says "Command failed: Can not access device" |
| 21:35.07 | stickster | responds with another useless groan |
| 21:35.07 | jsmith | It seems the disk was sdf when it was installed, but now it's showing up as sda |
| 21:35.16 | stickster | O rly? |
| 21:35.25 | jsmith | Somebody hard-code the device name in there? |
| 21:35.27 | stickster | But the system should be using LABEL for everything |
| 21:35.31 | jsmith | If so, that's totally made out of fail |
| 21:35.35 | jsmith | Exactly |
| 21:36.26 | stickster | getting a fresh Rawhide to try it out |
| 21:36.38 | stickster | You're using the install set, and not the Live? |
| 21:36.44 | jsmith | Correct |
| 21:36.55 | jsmith | Sounds like it's time to re-install without LUKS, right? |
| 21:37.07 | jsmith | only told it to do encryption just to test it out |
| 21:37.42 | stickster | Hm, I suppose it's worth trying without. |
| 21:37.46 | stickster | That's... of concern though. |
| 21:38.59 | jsmith | Yeah... should I file a bug? |
| 21:39.20 | stickster | jsmith: I think the only good answer I can give you is, install from Rawhide instead and see if that works better |
| 21:39.21 | jsmith | Is there someone I should work with to debug this before I wipe it? |
| 21:39.33 | jsmith | has no access to rawhide, due to his slow internet access |
| 21:39.36 | stickster | Oh yeah |
| 21:39.38 | stickster | Hm. |
| 21:39.52 | stickster | And you can't really update effectively either. |
| 21:40.06 | jsmith | Updates are fairly painless... just takes an overnight or two of downloading |
| 21:40.08 | stickster | KVM? |
| 21:40.15 | stickster | Blah |
| 21:40.17 | stickster | Never mind. |
| 21:40.55 | stickster | jsmith: You could check in #fedora-qa to see if it's a known issue |
| 21:41.18 | stickster | jsmith: Other than that... You're in a tight sitch because you can't effectively try new packages with a slow connection :-( |
| 21:43.58 | jsmith | Not unless you feel like rolling me a new DVD |
| 21:55.34 | stickster | jsmith: I can do that |
| 21:55.41 | stickster | jsmith: You can always come work over here :-D |
| 21:55.51 | stickster | We have more furniture in the basement now |
| 21:56.10 | stickster | A nice futon sofa and the papasan chair has been "refurbished" with a brand new cushion |
| 21:56.21 | stickster | Plus, there's Wii now, for when you get bored |
| 21:56.22 | jsmith | stickster: Tempt me not! |
| 21:56.45 | jsmith | stickster: I was back and forth past your subdivision all weekend, fwiw |
| 21:56.57 | jsmith | stickster: And that little pizza and subs place around the corner... awesome! |
| 21:57.03 | stickster | You should have come by yesterday and you could have jammed with my kids on Rock Band |
| 21:57.21 | stickster | My shoulders hurt a bit -- last night I drummed my way through 4 stages of the tour on "Medium" |
| 21:58.00 | jsmith | Oh man... I was only there from about noon 'til about 6:30 :-p |
| 21:59.14 | stickster | getting ready to head to dinner |
| 22:02.06 | stickster | Ugh, I think I need to get up at like 5am tomorrow to make it to DC for the RHGUDC show. |
| 22:02.10 | stickster | :-P |
| 22:02.56 | stickster | heats up his CPU with squashfs. |
| 22:03.02 | stickster | mmmm, toasty. |
| 22:03.46 | stickster | Wow, 80C |
| 22:39.05 | jsmith | stickster_afk: RH bug #464580 |