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| 13:40.27 | Phoxis | hello all, |
| 13:41.01 | Phoxis | and stickster thanks for stopping by my blog. |
| 13:41.21 | stickster | you're welcome :-) |
| 13:41.59 | Phoxis | actually here where i live in people are windows centric, and most do not know what is GNU+Linux |
| 13:42.13 | stickster | sounds familiar |
| 13:42.21 | Phoxis | and he who knows, know that GNU+Linux is for geeks,and do not have good user interface |
| 13:43.06 | Phoxis | I am trying to introduce people with GNU+Linux, and specially fedora, this is because i am using it for some 2 years, so i can give support. |
| 13:43.17 | Phoxis | but i face some problems, like the proprietary codecs |
| 13:44.04 | Phoxis | a lot of people do not have internet connection, and if there is some has limited bandwidth, so there is another myth which has built up: fedora cannot play movies or music |
| 13:44.11 | Phoxis | its tough handling these. |
| 13:44.44 | Phoxis | Providing with some live CD, for example the Omega remix, of fedora12 will work , but it has a lot apps missing, so they complain about this. |
| 13:44.45 | stickster | Phoxis: There are remixes like Omega that take care of this problem. In some places, third party repositories like rpmfusion.org are legal and take care of the problem. |
| 13:45.26 | stickster | That's why we've developed repo-neutral technologies like PackageKit's D-Bus backend |
| 13:45.52 | stickster | So we can autodetect codec requirements and if the user has installed repos that support them, automatically installing and using them. |
| 13:46.05 | Phoxis | package kit is good, atleast better than pirut, but personally i dont like it, i feel better in yum , although package kit uses yum |
| 13:46.08 | Phoxis | the GUI is sluggish |
| 13:46.36 | stickster | Phoxis: I think that's a myth. I've personally done time tests and there's no difference. It's a psychological effect of not seeing a moving progress bar all the time. ;-) |
| 13:46.41 | Phoxis | some times they dont work, like the flash firefox plugin is not found automatically |
| 13:46.58 | stickster | Phoxis: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash <-- full instructions |
| 13:47.03 | Phoxis | you may be right, actually i am still to test the package kit in fedora12 |
| 13:47.28 | stickster | Phoxis: PackageKit is the way to support auto-installation for desktop users. |
| 13:47.33 | stickster | They don't want to interact with a command line. |
| 13:47.48 | Phoxis | actually it is simpler to install the stuffs through yum |
| 13:47.49 | stickster | PackageKit gives us the ability to auto-install fonts, codecs, packages, and more |
| 13:47.56 | stickster | Phoxis: Not for the average user it isn't :-) |
| 13:47.59 | Phoxis | package kit is very good to find apps |
| 13:48.12 | Phoxis | stickster: thats right avg user do not like cmd line |
| 13:48.35 | stickster | Phoxis: Which is why we need to concentrate on promoting tools like PackageKit. |
| 13:48.36 | Phoxis | but i am in a real problem because, even i do not have an active internet connection in my computer where i work |
| 13:48.39 | stickster | Windows and Mac don't make people use a command line |
| 13:48.45 | Phoxis | i am in my father's computer running fedora10 |
| 13:48.53 | stickster | So the longer we insist on people using one, the harder it will be for us to promote Fedora against other OS. |
| 13:48.57 | Phoxis | and have limited bandwidth |
| 13:49.19 | stickster | Understood, that's a real problem for people in many countries. |
| 13:49.21 | Phoxis | stickster: thats a good point |
| 13:49.41 | Phoxis | so what i do is save packages in my cache, and make an offline repo and install in other systems |
| 13:49.48 | Phoxis | but sometimes some deps are not found |
| 13:50.07 | Phoxis | so what i would request is if there is some good tool for offline updating |
| 13:50.18 | Phoxis | before i used Opyum, it was good but unstable |
| 13:50.23 | Phoxis | the pkgenpack is not good |
| 13:50.34 | stickster | Phoxis: That's a smart thing to do. You can also use 'yumdownloader --resolve <package-name>' to get a package and all its dependencies at one time |
| 13:50.56 | stickster | Then copy those packages to the other machines' caches |
| 13:51.24 | stickster | Or build your own repo using 'createrepo' and point the other machines at it |
| 13:51.32 | Phoxis | a question: yum --installroot=/path/to/rpmbd --downloadonly , will it download packages with respect to the database which i point to ? |
| 13:52.06 | Phoxis | stickster: ys, createrepo was really helpful, and other repo management tools |
| 13:53.00 | stickster | Phoxis: I don't believe there's a --downloadonly switch, at least not in Fedora 12. |
| 13:53.08 | Phoxis | its a plugin |
| 13:53.11 | stickster | Ah |
| 13:53.14 | Phoxis | which has to be installed |
| 13:53.20 | stickster | You'll have to try it out then |
| 13:53.31 | stickster | --installroot is typically used to install packages, so I'm not sure that will affect the download. |
| 13:53.38 | stickster | Wouldn't matter, though, you could copy them afterward. |
| 13:54.01 | stickster | If the other system is mounted at /mnt/other (so that you have, for example, /mnt/other/var/cache/yum), you could do that. |
| 13:54.25 | stickster | Phoxis: Are you on the Fedora users mailing list? |
| 13:54.32 | stickster | http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users |
| 13:54.33 | Phoxis | no unfortunately |
| 13:54.37 | stickster | Phoxis: You should be :-) |
| 13:54.42 | Phoxis | i will subscribe now |
| 13:54.46 | stickster | That's where people ask and answer a lot of support questions. |
| 13:54.49 | stickster | You can get plenty of help there. |
| 13:55.05 | Phoxis | ys,i want to help, and also get helped :) |
| 13:55.14 | stickster | One more tip |
| 13:55.21 | stickster | If you move packages to a machine's cache and it has low bandwidth |
| 13:55.37 | stickster | You can use the '-C' switch for yum |
| 13:55.42 | stickster | That forces yum to run from the cache only |
| 13:55.47 | stickster | And it won't download anything. |
| 13:55.55 | stickster | You might want to look at 'man yum' to see other options |
| 13:56.25 | stickster | Although PackageKit is designed for the general user case, it's certainly not as flexible as yum at the command line -- it wasn't designed to be |
| 13:56.56 | Phoxis | ya the cache switch |
| 13:58.19 | Phoxis | subscribed to the mailing list |
| 14:05.04 | Phoxis | stickster: this is an off topic question: i have a new 500GB HDD with fedora12 in it and all ext4 partitions. Some times the drive gets reset, and there is a bus error, it cannot be reproduced. I just checked the drive with the Seagate tool provided in the official site (with another win HDD from my friend), it says it is okay. |
| 14:05.46 | Phoxis | cannot understand where the problem lies, tried replacing the cables, some time ago same was with the old 160GB HDD. |
| 14:08.40 | stickster | Phoxis: Bus errors aren't automatically fatal |
| 14:09.03 | stickster | Sometimes I believe they happen due to signal interference |
| 14:09.06 | Phoxis | it got disconnected and reconnected in half the link speed 1.5gbps |
| 14:09.24 | stickster | Could be a problem with the cabling |
| 14:09.27 | Phoxis | and again disconnects, with a sound from the disk drive |
| 14:09.33 | Phoxis | 3 times replaced, the cables |
| 14:09.42 | Phoxis | might it be the SMPS, ? |
| 14:09.46 | stickster | Sorry, I have no idea |
| 14:09.51 | stickster | You'll have to ask a hardware expert :-) |
| 14:09.52 | Phoxis | not proper power ? |
| 14:10.05 | Phoxis | no one here :) , everybody asks me, and i have none :D |
| 14:10.09 | stickster | Phoxis: You could try visiting #fedora |
| 14:10.17 | Phoxis | ya tried in the morning |
| 14:10.22 | stickster | This channel is really a channel for a local LUG. |
| 14:10.34 | Phoxis | they suggested, to check cable, hdd, sata ports, cards, smps ..... |
| 14:10.34 | stickster | Maybe someone here will have an answer for you, but unfortunately not me :-) |
| 14:11.10 | Phoxis | np, i think it would be fine, and if i am lucky there will be no data loss |
| 14:12.28 | Phoxis | oh, i just realized this is a local fedora users group!! |
| 14:13.32 | Phoxis | it was very good to talk with you, i will keep in mind introducing more GUI apps than commandline to newcomers, and not scare them away from fedora. :) |
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| 16:22.43 | plarsen | 'ello |