IRC log for #fredlug on 20101217

01:47.58*** join/#fredlug nmcbride (~nmcbride@c-24-125-17-88.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
02:01.51*** join/#fredlug GGD (~GGD@pool-70-109-55-219.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
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12:46.50*** join/#fredlug GGD (~GGD@pool-70-109-55-219.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
12:47.32GGDmorning stickster jsmith nmcbride
12:48.01stickstermorning all
12:58.04GGDhey stickster
12:58.27GGDwho knew that filling your HD would cause your machine not to boot :D
14:17.05*** join/#fredlug GGD (~GGD@pool-70-109-55-219.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
14:28.37GGDstickster, ?
14:28.49sticksterWhat's up GGD?
14:29.01GGDwow that was odd
14:29.11GGDi was on here and then i was off...
14:29.24GGDdid you get my messages earlier?
14:30.45GGD( am just checking)
14:48.01sticksterGGD: I don't know what messages you're referring to, so maybe not ;-)
14:51.00*** join/#fredlug plarsen (~plarsen@pdpc/supporter/professional/plarsen)
14:56.52GGDahh
14:56.58GGDwho knew that filling your HD would cause your machine not to boot :D
14:57.12GGDthat was one of them :)
14:58.33sticksterI saw that, was I supposed to respond?
14:59.42GGDoh ok i wasn't sure that it came through,,,
15:00.50GGDand then after that it said "GGD has quit"  and i was like quit i am right here  strange..
15:02.43GGDodd...
15:02.57GGDnow if can keep my laptop from over heating..
15:03.00sticksterMaybe a netsplit or other network error?
15:03.17sticksterYou may want to look into whether your system fan is working. How old's the laptop?
15:04.39GGDits the one that we rebuilt at install fest
15:04.48GGDthe black HP one
15:05.03GGDthe system fan is working..
15:05.47sticksterHm, that's quite weird then
15:06.06sticksterCould it be a problem with the onboard video? That's been known to happen with some nVidia and ATI units.
15:06.31sticksterMay want to check mfr's site for any recommendations, or call their support if you're within warranty.
15:07.13GGDit started happening after the last linux/ fedora updates.  i never had the issue before
15:07.16GGDi think..
15:07.42GGDi am not trying to blame the OS just trying to narrow down the culplrit
15:09.03plarsenyawns
15:09.15sticksterGGD: If 'top' doesn't show anything hogging CPU, it'Unlikely to be anything other than kernel, and if you're having the same problem with the earlier kernel
15:09.17sticksteroops
15:09.50sticksterGGD: If 'top' doesn't show anything hogging CPU, it's unlikely to be anything other than kernel. If you've tried booting the earlier kernel and still have the problem, then it's unlikely the updates are the cause.
15:10.20GGDahh ok let me check   why the yawn plarsen ?
15:10.30sticksteris on F14 with all updates and hasn't noticed any general problems of this sort.
15:10.36sticksterGGD: It's morning.
15:10.43plarsenEarly morning
15:10.47plarsenLong week coming to an end
15:10.49plarsenfinally
15:10.52sticksterplarsen: right on
15:11.17GGDLOL yes it is stickster and a wonderful snowy morning it is
15:11.25GGDwhat am i looking for in the 'top"
15:11.26sticksterplarsen: Hope your new job is treating you well :-)
15:11.28plarsenI'm fairly sure we all "agree" that our Dec/Sat meeting isn't going to happen ?
15:11.41plarsenstares at all the screens and papers infront of him
15:11.49plarsenDefinitely NOT bored :)
15:11.49sticksterGGD: System load at the top. The first number shouldn't be terribly high, definitely less than 0.50
15:11.49GGDnew job??
15:11.56plarsenputs on his Red Hat
15:11.59sticksterGGD: Unless you're doing something very CPU-demanding currently
15:12.04plarsenwhich btw. hasn't arrived yet :(
15:12.20GGDRed Hat?
15:12.26plarsenyup
15:12.59GGDno way  congrats man
15:13.08GGDstickster, http://fpaste.org/nppB/
15:13.09plarsenthanks GGD
15:13.11GGDthats the top
15:13.29GGD<- feels very very small here
15:13.33sticksterGGD: The rest of the output would be useful since that load is slightly high for an idle system
15:13.46plarsenThat's a pretty busy box GGD. Is the US% always that high?
15:13.58plarsenslighty? lol
15:14.02plarsenslightly*
15:14.25plarsenMost average systems are never higher than 10% except at quick peeks
15:14.29plarsenpeaks*
15:14.36GGDi don't have anything "major" running
15:14.44GGDfirefox
15:14.47GGDxchat
15:14.50GGDempathy
15:15.09plarsenGGD: when top is running, hit P (caps is important) - that sorts the list per CPU consumption.
15:15.15GGDok
15:15.18plarsenWhat is the top CPU consumer?
15:15.27plarsenputs his bet on flash
15:16.00GGD"plugin container"
15:16.03jsmithOn my system, it's GCC :-p
15:16.13GGDsecond is firefox
15:16.35sticksteryup
15:16.46plarsenGGD: ok - a good chance that you're looking at npviewer (flash) there. Terminate all firefox programs.
15:16.54GGDstand by
15:16.56sticksterOr just 'killall npviewer.bin'
15:17.08plarsenThen wait a bit. If that top "container" doesn't go away, kill it - just the way stickster said to do it
15:17.23GGDfirefox is killed
15:17.25plarsenBefore starting firefox again, verify that US% has dropped to less than 15%
15:18.16GGD0-2%
15:18.27GGDUS%
15:18.31GGDnow
15:18.38plarsen:) Very good. Start firefox again
15:18.42*** join/#fredlug jsmith-away (~jsmith@fedora/jsmith)
15:18.49plarsenYou shouldn't see US% staying high even with firefox running
15:18.51GGDnow its Xorg the top compeditor
15:18.55GGD:)
15:19.03plarsenThe npviewer is a different matter. It's a BAAAD piece of code.
15:19.18GGDok restarting firefox
15:19.59GGDjumped to 51%
15:20.27GGDnow 71-3$
15:20.32GGD3%
15:20.40GGD75
15:20.43plarsenPeaks are ok;expected.
15:20.54plarsenAs long as it doesn't STAY high
15:21.02GGDnow 50 -54
15:21.11GGDyea
15:21.36GGDthat plugin container is still the top compeditor
15:21.38GGDnow
15:21.56GGDthen irefox at 15 %
15:22.35*** join/#fredlug marwalk (~marwalk@c-71-63-73-239.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
15:22.53GGDhey marwalk
15:23.01marwalkhi GGD
15:23.09GGDhow goes it..
15:23.29GGDhey plarsen any idea about that "plugin container"?
15:23.42marwalkgoing well.  am ending up 2 wks of leave and enjoying my projects
15:24.34plarsenGGD: you must be going to a site that uses flash when you start firefox.
15:24.37marwalkI have another fredpod prepared, just need to record it; should be done by monday
15:24.55GGDgmail?
15:24.58GGDyahoo mail?
15:25.30plarsenAre you running 64bit fedora or 32bit ?
15:25.52plarsenGGD: if you're not blocking adds then yahoo is a good candidate for flash
15:26.12GGDits the pro version
15:26.23GGDi am running 64 bit
15:27.49plarsenGGD: did you follow the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash guide installing flash?
15:28.12GGDactually i think paul did when you all reloaded fedora...
15:28.24GGDdon't you remember stickster ?
15:28.45plarsenOhhh I'm sure he remembers your laptop. Whether he likes to is another matter ;)
15:29.03GGDLOL
15:29.05sticksterYes, we set it up the normal way. Flash consumes more CPU than one would expect just about everywhere, but it depends entirely on what you're viewing with the plugin!
15:29.27GGDoh don't we all remember that day plarsen .....
15:29.37GGDtrue
15:29.39GGDstickster,
15:29.43sticksterIf you look at a site that uses Flash in a fairly smart way, the CPU consumption will be pretty low. If it's most ads... not so much ;-)
15:29.54sticksterrecommends Flashblock to stop unwanted Flash/CPU usage
15:30.09GGDwhere do i get that stickster
15:32.44GGDahh its a firefox addin?
15:34.39GGDdang that made a big difference
15:34.42GGDstickster,
15:34.48sticksterhttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=flashblock
15:35.26plarsenLMAO!!!
15:35.27GGDi got it stickster installed
15:35.31sticksterawesome
15:35.31plarsenyou didn't just do that stickster  ... :)
15:35.40sticksterthinks that site is totally funny
15:35.50GGDi actually googled it before you threw that up there
15:35.53GGDLOL
15:35.54sticksterheh
15:36.08GGD7% now
15:36.12GGDroughly
15:37.36GGDand the fan isn't running as hard now :)
16:09.25*** join/#fredlug marwalk (~marwalk@65.202.254.3)
16:10.18GGDwow even with a vm running its not hitting anything like it was when flash is running
16:41.21plarsenanyone know of a tool to merge PDFs into a single document?
16:45.29jsmithSure!
16:45.34jsmithpdftk
16:45.48jsmithpdftk 1.pdf 2.pdf 3.pdf 4.pdf cat output combined.pdf
16:45.56jsmithloves pdftk
16:46.11jsmithpdfmerge (part of pdfjam, if I remember correctly) sometimes works as well
16:53.46plarsenI tried "convert" that was a disaster. Could barely read the resulting doc
16:55.33jsmithYeah, that's not the right way :-/
16:57.01plarsenyeah - pdftk muuuch better :)
17:04.14plarsenI've trying to practice presentation/timing skills. I need to time how long I'm on each slide and I need to have a RECORD of it to review once I'm done yacking (time per slide). Any ideas with open office?
17:08.14jsmithSure...
17:08.28jsmithPlug in a second monitor, and run the 'presenter view' on one screen
17:08.34jsmithIt has timers
17:08.39plarsenright - but they are not recorded ;)
17:08.45jsmithAnother option is to use something like gtk-record-my-desktop or istanbul
17:09.11jsmith(I like to do that, and then add speaker notes as I review the recording)
17:11.26plarsenhmmmm
17:12.10plarsenGuess what's not included in RHEL6 ;)
17:12.20jsmithhas no idea
17:12.27plarsenScreen recorders
17:18.49marwalkplarsen Peter, I'd think that Istanbul should work for you.  That way you're not trying to tweak Open Office
17:19.25plarsenmarwalk: unfortunately it's not available on the box I have here; I'll figure something out.
17:20.15marwalkI was just wondering too if it's only on fedora; looks like thats the case; can you look a the CentOS repsitories and perhaps install that on RHEL6?
17:21.21marwalkit's not rpmfusion but rpm something else; can't remember the other CentOS repsistories right now
17:21.37marwalkrpmforge that's it
18:07.55GGDhas anyone used qmake?
18:07.57GGDbefore?
18:09.48GGDi am trying to install something and when the instructions say to use "qmake" i get a program can not be found
18:11.55sticksterGGD: yum provides \*bin/qmake
18:12.11sticksterthat will tell you which if any packages in the repository bundle a qmake binary.
18:12.27sticksterIt may be several and you'll need to install the right one for your program (Qt3 or Qt4)
18:12.46GGDhmmm
18:14.46GGDi am trying to install Kontrolpack and its asking for that
20:19.31plarsenstickster: you there?
20:21.54sticksterplarsen: Here
20:22.11plarsenIs there a live option for RHEL6 workstation?
20:31.59sticksterplarsen: Hm, I don't recall that being in the release
20:34.03plarsenme neighter
20:34.18plarsenGot a collegue here who's just discovered Live CDs and wants to go all the way ;)

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