| 00:47.04 | plarsen | jsmith, happy 4th! |
| 00:52.08 | jsmith | plarsen: To you as well! |
| 00:52.15 | jsmith | plarsen: Have big plans for the holiday? |
| 00:57.25 | plarsen | Just joining the local township for 4th of july stuff. Nothing major. There's a nice car-show here we go to every year. |
| 00:57.38 | plarsen | jsmith, how about you? Did you get your honey-do list yet? |
| 00:58.11 | jsmith | just got back from Brazil this morning |
| 00:58.27 | jsmith | No, haven't had a chance to be told what I'm doing tomorrow :-p |
| 00:58.35 | plarsen | How was the conference "down south" ? |
| 00:58.41 | plarsen | hehe |
| 00:58.55 | plarsen | I'm sure you can use that as a valid excuse for NOT doing it (yeah right) |
| 00:59.35 | jsmith | The conference was awesome |
| 00:59.54 | jsmith | Not quite as big as last year, but I'm guessing they still had ~5000 people at the show |
| 01:00.14 | jsmith | The Brazilians, as always, are awesome hosts |
| 01:13.20 | plarsen | wow - 5000 !! |
| 01:13.25 | plarsen | Just for Fedora? |
| 01:14.03 | Moe__ | you can tell us all about it during the next meeting |
| 01:14.07 | Moe__ | do you have slides? |
| 01:14.29 | jsmith | plarsen: No, this was a big Free Software conference, not something Fedora-specific |
| 01:14.35 | plarsen | ahhhhh |
| 01:14.35 | jsmith | Moe__: I'd be happy to |
| 01:14.58 | plarsen | If I recall correctly Brazil's government is heavily vested with Open Source? |
| 01:15.19 | jsmith | Yeah |
| 01:15.34 | Moe__ | thats good |
| 01:15.43 | jsmith | Lately, their banking institutions have also gotten onboard with open source |
| 01:15.49 | Moe__ | for some reason RH doesnt push client/server |
| 01:15.57 | jsmith | Huh? |
| 01:16.07 | Moe__ | desktop and server solutions |
| 01:16.16 | Moe__ | they lean more toward server for some reason |
| 01:16.17 | plarsen | client/server died more than 10 years ago |
| 01:16.26 | plarsen | I can show you it's burrial lot ;) |
| 01:16.35 | plarsen | Somewhere close to MS HQ in Redmond |
| 01:16.43 | plarsen | They tried to keep it alive to the very last moment. |
| 01:16.46 | plarsen | But alas. |
| 01:17.07 | Moe__ | client server is not dead imo |
| 01:17.16 | Moe__ | especially in the DoD |
| 01:17.59 | plarsen | Every project I've been doing, either as proposal or architecting where DoD and other public institutions have been involved since 2000 has been 3 tier at least. |
| 01:18.14 | plarsen | I don't even know if there are tools do to traditional client server anymore. Oracle certainly don't have any |
| 01:18.22 | plarsen | What they had they haven't improved for 10 years ;) |
| 01:18.54 | plarsen | The web killed Client/Server |
| 01:18.57 | plarsen | A looooong time ago |
| 01:19.05 | Moe__ | naaaaaahh |
| 01:19.08 | jsmith | Client = Browser (one client for many applications) |
| 01:19.25 | plarsen | jsmith, not in the traditional definition of client/server it isn't. |
| 01:19.26 | jsmith | Server = Complex set of web servers, databases, LDAP directories, back-end storage, etc. |
| 01:19.35 | jsmith | isn't that traditional :-p |
| 01:19.36 | Moe__ | that is not taking into account the many that do not have reliable connections |
| 01:19.52 | Moe__ | doesnt take into account classified networks |
| 01:19.59 | plarsen | jsmith, your business logic for browser clients are mostly server based. Granted some, mostly presentation, is moving to the browser, but your logic and code is still NOT placed on the client. |
| 01:21.46 | plarsen | jsmith, that's why we introduced tier 2 (the web/app server). That tier is what acts as the "client" today - and the 3rd tier, your browser, is simply presentation getting it's instructions from the 2nd tier |
| 01:22.02 | plarsen | Moe__, client server doesn't solve that problem. It depends on a back-end just as well |
| 01:22.26 | plarsen | Moe__, you solve both solutions the same way - by providing "offline" features closer to the browser. |
| 01:22.34 | plarsen | Still doesn't make it client/server. |
| 01:22.39 | plarsen | In the traditional sense. |
| 01:24.18 | Moe__ | I dont have a warm and fuzzy about the whole "cloud" initiative or bandwagon. Too much can go wrong (Sony, CIA, Amazon.....) |
| 01:25.28 | plarsen | Except for Amazon, the other two cannot be considered cloud. But dare me to exclaim that NOTHING is 100% secure. I trust the security of a hosting center/cloud provider a lot more than MOST companies running their own internal servers. |
| 01:25.50 | plarsen | Or just hosts their servers in a traditional data center. A lot more break-ins there than you have in the clouds. |
| 01:26.01 | plarsen | It's a bit like arguing that we shouldn't be driving cars because there are accidents. |
| 01:26.03 | jsmith | Are you saying that "cloud" is a very nebulous term? |
| 01:26.09 | plarsen | LMAO |
| 01:26.24 | jsmith | OK folks, I'm calling it a night :-) |
| 01:26.26 | plarsen | dammit - I got my coffee down the wrong way there jsmith |
| 01:26.28 | plarsen | :D |
| 01:26.31 | jsmith | always tries to end w/ humor |
| 01:26.33 | plarsen | ok; enjoy your 4th |
| 01:26.38 | Moe__ | later guys |
| 01:27.00 | plarsen | not going anywhere yet |
| 01:27.21 | Moe__ | jsmith: is leaving? have a good night |
| 01:29.15 | Moe__ | plarsen: was I out of line? I wasnt trying to piss anyone off you know |
| 01:30.04 | plarsen | no - jsmith has had a very long day and only has 1 day at home with his family. I'm pretty sure you'll find him absent all the way till Tuesday morning |
| 01:30.57 | plarsen | It'll take a lot more to upset him ;) |
| 01:31.10 | plarsen | I'm sure he hears worse in his travels for fedora and open source. |
| 01:32.53 | Moe__ | oh I thought I hit a nerve or something |
| 01:33.03 | Moe__ | will make good convo at the meeting |
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