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| 00:46.53 | zachary | Good Morning |
| 01:08.23 | Tarragon | Morning |
| 01:36.31 | Tarragon | highbury : http://links.epanorama.net/links/wire_telecom.html http://users.erols.com/amccull/802_3.htm |
| 02:07.26 | dank_work | Morning |
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| 03:59.19 | SpudUAway | Is it possible to have different domains pointing to the same Apache server and for them to be handled differently depending from whence they came? eg - www.col1.me.uk and www.col2.me.uk both point to my server, those that are visiting col1 only see stuff for col1 and those visiting col2 only see that stuff? If so, what is this technique called? |
| 04:03.14 | dank_work | Virtual hosting |
| 04:03.24 | murb | SpudUAway: yes it is possible with a feature in http/1.0 sometimes called virtual hosting etc. |
| 04:05.12 | idoru | hi murb. |
| 04:05.30 | dank_work | If you just type in 'GET /' as your HTTP request, what version does that conform to? |
| 04:05.50 | dank_work | It seems you need to specify 'GET / HTTP/1.0' |
| 04:06.05 | murb | dank: 0.8 |
| 04:06.08 | murb | s/8/9/ |
| 04:06.26 | murb | dank: and send a host: header |
| 04:06.41 | dank_work | I know you need the host: header. |
| 04:06.54 | dank_work | 'GET / HTTP/0.9' also work, with a host: header |
| 04:07.28 | murb | dank: but that is a version 1.0 request with an invalid version number, HTH. |
| 04:07.47 | dank_work | Ahh. IDH, thanks |
| 04:08.01 | dank_work | So it's only valid for HTTP/1.0 and HTTP/1.1, yes? |
| 04:08.38 | zachary | SpudUAway: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 04:08.50 | idoru | murb: did you go to the LBW with Eoin? |
| 04:13.02 | SpudUAway | Thanks |
| 04:16.16 | zachary | brb |
| 04:16.39 | SpudUAway | This virtual hosting seems very simple to do, where is the catch???? Is this a feature of other servers like IIS? |
| 04:17.25 | dank_work | Yes. |
| 04:17.29 | dank_work | All web servers do it |
| 04:18.48 | murb | well nearly all. |
| 04:18.51 | SpudUAway | OK, thanks again. |
| 04:18.59 | dank_work | Decent ones, anyway. |
| 04:19.13 | murb | but not all clients support it. |
| 04:19.39 | murb | so a nice hack is to have a default page that permits you to get to the other hosted sites via an aliased path |
| 04:19.40 | dank_work | Again, any web browser built since the HTTP 1.0 spec was defined will support it |
| 04:19.50 | SpudUAway | Decent ones? Does that include IIS then? |
| 04:19.53 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 04:20.05 | dank_work | In this case, yes :) |
| 04:21.41 | SpudUAway | murb: Why would you need such a hack tho'? |
| 04:23.44 | murb | SpudUAway: to support older clients and people behind broken proxies. |
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| 05:12.33 | dank_work | Hi Leeds |
| 05:12.41 | Leeds | afternoon :-) |
| 05:12.55 | Leeds | how goes it? |
| 05:14.43 | Leeds | don't suppose you know an easy way to throttle the bandwidth of an arbitrary program? |
| 05:15.42 | Leeds | I suspect I'd be looking at kernel-level traffic-shaping... |
| 05:16.11 | murb | You don't have a particular program in mind? |
| 05:16.19 | Leeds | ubh |
| 05:16.37 | Leeds | usenet binary harvester - I want it to run 'nice' on the ADSL bandwidth :-) |
| 05:17.14 | Leeds | particularly since I'm working at home today, so I can't really afford for it to max me out... |
| 05:17.16 | murb | well i suppose you could modify it to make it sleep inbetween reads. |
| 05:18.15 | Leeds | I'd prefer the good old "slap in a program/kernel setting" and have things just work :-) if nothing else, ubh is Perl, and I'm not hot on Perl |
| 05:18.34 | Leeds | http://www.stewart.com.au/ip_relay/ looks interesting |
| 05:19.32 | murb | Leeds: running a local throttling proxy? |
| 05:19.48 | Leeds | that's the idea - looks like that's what ip_replay is |
| 05:20.12 | Leeds | but it's nice and arbitrary - not protocol-level :-) |
| 05:23.00 | dank_work | Hrm. Running rm -rf / on a Windows machine isn't a good idea, really. Especially if it's done from Cygwin |
| 05:23.11 | murb | Leeds: you're trying to grab divxs or somthing? |
| 05:23.23 | Leeds | murb: approximately :-) |
| 05:53.16 | highbury | Tarragon: thanks for the links |
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| 06:46.52 | dank_work | Anyone understand Neil Fryer's last message? |
| 06:48.39 | Leeds | dank_work: which one was that? |
| 06:50.03 | Leeds | ah! |
| 06:50.25 | Leeds | no... he's drunk? |
| 06:51.29 | Leeds | I understand the first half, I think... I think he's talking about nice as in system priority - but I don't know about the second, unless he means "what will give the program so much priority that it'll make the system completely unresponsive?" |
| 07:03.17 | dank_work | Ah, okay. |
| 07:04.30 | Leeds | that comes to mind, since I just managed to... limit access... to a couple of hosted boxes, by doing some huge data transfers across the hub they're hanging off... should really get a small switch... |
| 07:05.07 | Leeds | ah! now he's asking about non-existant errors :-) |
| 07:25.34 | Leeds | it's a fix! I didn't win :-) |
| 07:25.59 | idoru | Leeds: 6music compo? :) |
| 07:26.06 | Leeds | yeah :-) |
| 07:26.16 | Leeds | I did get a mention though... as an optimist... |
| 07:26.19 | idoru | Leeds: to answer your question, yes i do work with linux |
| 07:26.30 | Leeds | but you're *badly* lagged :-) |
| 07:26.48 | idoru | i'm listening to a stream from someone's wavefinder :) |
| 07:27.37 | Leeds | I bought a wavefinder... found I had no chance of getting it working with Linux, sold it on... (for the same amount I'd paid) |
| 07:28.02 | Leeds | I'm working at home today, so I've got Sky Digital on |
| 07:28.54 | Leeds | I can't really complain... I've won an absolute shedload of stuff from 6music... |
| 07:33.07 | murb | idoru: are you in Belfast? |
| 07:35.17 | idoru | murb: yes, you know me vaguely, i run straylight with eoin |
| 07:35.45 | idoru | Leeds: lucky b*tard :) |
| 07:35.50 | murb | so you are planning on moving londonwards? |
| 07:35.58 | Leeds | small bloody world :-) |
| 07:36.43 | idoru | murb: not really. maybe. i'd prefer barcelona TBH. |
| 07:36.56 | idoru | did you enjoy the LBW? |
| 07:37.01 | murb | idoru: well that was a bit obvious, who other than someone going round with a nick like that be running a machine called straylight? |
| 07:37.16 | idoru | :D |
| 07:38.14 | Leeds | idoru: it got a little embarassing when I managed to win 4 competitions in a little over 24 hours... |
| 07:38.41 | idoru | Leeds: just mailing in quickly, or what's your strategy? |
| 07:39.04 | murb | idoru: i don't really rember much. |
| 07:39.11 | Leeds | mailing in quickly... sending answer,address,name and an optional 'extra comment'... and googling for answers :-) |
| 07:39.32 | idoru | murb: that means it was good. eoin can turn things into alcoholic binges so quickly... |
| 07:39.58 | murb | Leeds: using google is cheating. although it helped us win the SU pub quiz every other week for a term in my final year |
| 07:40.12 | idoru | haha |
| 07:40.39 | Leeds | I've largely stopped googling now... I've won enough :-) only won a CD from the Phil(l)s and an Aqualung t-shirt this week, anyway |
| 07:40.44 | murb | hmm, i think the alocholic bit started in belfast, although i note you failed to turn up for that bit. |
| 07:40.58 | Leeds | idoru: any idea on the Easy Rider? :-) |
| 07:41.18 | idoru | Leeds: no, i've not been paying enough attention... oh, she's reading it now :) |
| 07:41.20 | murb | Leeds: are they ogg streaming again? |
| 07:41.34 | idoru | i can't think of any dutch rockstars... |
| 07:41.42 | Leeds | no ogg yet... the "coming soon" notice went up on the 24th of September, but nothing since... |
| 07:44.08 | murb | well I won't have a sky card here... |
| 07:44.15 | murb | i wonder if a bbc one would od. |
| 07:44.18 | murb | s/od/do/ |
| 07:44.27 | Leeds | what do you mean? |
| 07:44.39 | Leeds | it should be pretty much free-to-air... |
| 07:44.48 | Leeds | there's always Real :-( |
| 07:45.07 | idoru | a friend is streaming from his wavefinder |
| 07:45.22 | idoru | it's an mp2 stream i'm listening to |
| 07:45.42 | murb | Leeds: it isn't if you have a dvb-s it is encrypted. |
| 07:46.19 | Leeds | idoru: I stream it over my WLAN (to my iPAQ!) from a text-mode realplayer, using esd to stream |
| 07:46.29 | idoru | oooh. |
| 07:46.40 | Leeds | murb :-( it shouldn't be - BBC free access and all that |
| 07:47.05 | murb | Leeds: not for those outside the uk, the only unencrypted stuff is bbc world, and bbc worldservice radio |
| 07:47.30 | murb | and I think bbc worldservice is only on hotbird2 and astra. |
| 07:48.31 | Leeds | I used to listen to world service in Israel on AM... |
| 07:49.09 | murb | yep 658khz am |
| 07:49.15 | murb | s/5/4/ |
| 07:49.39 | Leeds | I can't remember the freq... it was 7.5 years ago :-) |
| 07:49.58 | murb | do you need a visa to go to israel? |
| 07:50.42 | Leeds | nope... you get a tourist visa at the border... I got it extended because I was there for a year... then I lost my passport |
| 07:50.54 | idoru | eep. |
| 07:51.11 | Leeds | for some reason the passport control weren't happy with my trying to leave the country with no record of my entering it in my (replacement) passport :-) |
| 07:51.28 | Leeds | anyway, I have the right to Israeli citizenship... |
| 07:52.05 | murb | Leeds: and the right to serve in the israel defence forces.. |
| 07:52.30 | Leeds | well, I don't get one unless I voluntarily exercise the other, but yes... |
| 07:53.22 | idoru | can you get into israel if you've been in egypt? |
| 07:53.50 | murb | and if you take another citizen ship you loose crown protection |
| 07:54.48 | Leeds | idoru: yes |
| 07:54.48 | idoru | cool. |
| 07:54.49 | Leeds | you can cross from one to the other... |
| 07:55.11 | idoru | my dad is egyptian |
| 07:55.20 | Leeds | murb: not necessarily... the UK will not protect you from your other country, but AFAIK you choose which passport to choose from and retain pretty much everything else... anyway, who said I'd retain my UK passport? |
| 07:55.43 | murb | Leeds: if you are a citizen of another state they can't protect you from that state, or somthing like that is what is says. |
| 07:56.00 | idoru | murb: i think you're right. |
| 07:56.11 | idoru | here in n.i. you can hold british and irish passpts |
| 07:56.18 | murb | Leeds: well the nice thing with the uk citizenship is that you can revoke it and reapply for it. |
| 07:56.19 | Leeds | egypt and jordan are 'special' cases - Israel is at peace with them, so there is free(-ish - I don't know about visas, etc.) movement between them |
| 07:56.37 | Leeds | murb: I did say "will not protect from your other country" :-) |
| 07:56.47 | murb | idoru: many people in the uk are theoritcally entitled to irish citiezen ship if they cared. |
| 07:56.57 | idoru | oh. i didn't know that. |
| 07:57.15 | Leeds | I don't think I am... |
| 07:57.27 | murb | idoru: read the irish constition. |
| 07:57.33 | murb | as ammeneded. |
| 07:57.48 | idoru | murb: thanks for the tip. |
| 07:57.49 | Leeds | I should go get some lunch... |
| 07:58.08 | murb | Leeds: you don't have an office canteen? |
| 07:58.19 | idoru | where do you work, leeds? |
| 07:58.19 | Leeds | murb: not at home, no... I'm working at home today :-) |
| 07:58.35 | murb | Leeds: oh yes, so you have an office kitchen intead :) |
| 07:58.37 | Leeds | I work in Watford normally - just couldn't be bothered to go in today... |
| 07:59.08 | murb | I've just heard that a teh redudances at sun aren't going to affect the team of a friend of mine which is good. |
| 07:59.23 | idoru | watford, the place or the company? |
| 07:59.26 | Leeds | I e-mailed my manager to check it was okay, his reply was: "There is no need to ask me if you want to work at home. We are only measured by deliverables so long as we make enough of these where we work is not important." which is nice |
| 07:59.34 | Leeds | idoru: Watford the town... Sun the company |
| 07:59.48 | idoru | ooh. what's it like working there? |
| 08:00.10 | Leeds | murb: it seems to be quite selective - a lot of groups are getting green lights, which means whole swathes of other parts of the company must be getting cut |
| 08:00.33 | murb | Leeds: I'm more supprised they took so long to do it. |
| 08:00.53 | murb | which reminds me i need to order a sunfire v120. |
| 08:00.57 | Leeds | idoru: it's... pretty good... when the economy was better it was great, but there's a lot of belt-tightening going on, and more work with less people... |
| 08:01.16 | Leeds | murb: this is the second round - there were 4000 or so laid off this time last year as well |
| 08:01.40 | murb | Leeds: but compared to other companies sun seems to be coming off realtivly lightly. |
| 08:02.06 | Leeds | planning is at a similar level to other companies... things are constantly changing - re-orgs every month, projects cancelled, restarted, killed again, etc. |
| 08:02.07 | murb | Lucent seems to have halfed its work force in 2 years, but still has the same number of managers, suspious or what? |
| 08:02.26 | Leeds | as opposed to HP, where they laid off 5000 managers at one point, I think... |
| 08:02.51 | Leeds | Scott is keen on the 'rule of 11' (or 10) - there should be an average of 10 'contributors' to 1 manager, at all levels of the company |
| 08:04.12 | Leeds | Sun has come off relatively easily so far... partly because there's been a lot of cost-cutting to avoid redundancies... whereas other companies seem to start by cutting people, so the costs (i.e. spending) can stay up |
| 08:05.37 | murb | s/a/another/ |
| 08:07.02 | murb | but i've got posix acls working. |
| 08:10.48 | Leeds | anyway... time for lunch... |
| 09:18.23 | Leeds_lunch | idoru: Anna Morel (however she spells it) - has half the mails on the show, right? |
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| 09:55.24 | formi | evening |
| 09:55.30 | dank_work | Evening |
| 09:55.52 | formi | still at work? |
| 09:55.56 | Leeds | evening |
| 09:56.05 | dank_work | Yeah. It's not quite 5 yet |
| 09:56.40 | formi | so waiting on irc |
| 09:57.20 | formi | im having dinner |
| 09:58.13 | formi | i spent part of the day laughing at the "new fire fighters" |
| 09:58.45 | Leeds | why? |
| 09:58.48 | formi | they were trying to rescue a cat from the top of a tree |
| 09:59.00 | formi | and they are supposed to be soldiers |
| 09:59.27 | Leeds | they could probably have shot the cat down from miles away... |
| 09:59.57 | highbury | anybody help me with an html tables question? |
| 10:00.35 | dank_work | Yes. www.w3schools.com |
| 10:00.37 | dank_work | :-) |
| 10:00.39 | highbury | +--------------+----------------+ |
| 10:00.40 | highbury | |AAAA |+--------------+| |
| 10:00.40 | highbury | | ||BBB || |
| 10:00.40 | highbury | | ||top-aligned || |
| 10:00.40 | highbury | | |+--------------+| |
| 10:00.40 | highbury | | | | |
| 10:00.42 | formi | in the end a neighour in the house by the tree threw a bag full of old clothes |
| 10:00.44 | highbury | | | | |
| 10:00.46 | highbury | | |+--------------+| |
| 10:00.48 | highbury | | ||CCC || |
| 10:00.50 | highbury | | ||bottom-aligned|| |
| 10:00.54 | highbury | | |+--------------+| |
| 10:00.59 | highbury | +--------------+----------------+ |
| 10:01.19 | highbury | is this possible, I can't seem to stop CCC having to butt against the bottom of BBB |
| 10:01.35 | Leeds | blank cell in the middle? |
| 10:01.42 | dank_work | Yeah. Wot Leeds sed |
| 10:02.12 | highbury | trouble is I want CCC to only extend to the bottom of the AAA cell |
| 10:02.41 | dank_work | <table> <td width=50%> <tr> AAAA </tr> </td> |
| 10:03.03 | dank_work | Whoops. |
| 10:03.15 | highbury | <table border="1"> |
| 10:03.16 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.16 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.16 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.17 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.18 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.19 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.21 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.22 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.24 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.30 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.32 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.34 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.36 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.38 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.40 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.44 | dank_work | <table> <td width=50%> <tr> AAAA </tr> |
| 10:03.45 | highbury | </table> |
| 10:03.58 | dank_work | *thwack* |
| 10:04.02 | dank_work | ibot insult dankolb |
| 10:04.17 | Leeds | oh, table-in-table? |
| 10:04.25 | dank_work | That's nasty. |
| 10:08.17 | dank_work | <table> <tr> <td width="50%"> AAAA </td> |
| 10:08.20 | highbury | uhuh, needless to say I'm trying to tweak the gllug pages |
| 10:09.20 | dank_work | <td> <table> <tr> <td valign="top" height=33%> BBBB </td> </tr> |
| 10:09.30 | highbury | dank_work: that just affects the width of AA not the hight of BB/CC |
| 10:09.41 | dank_work | <tr> <td valign="top" height=33%></td></tr> |
| 10:09.57 | dank_work | <tr> <td valign="bottom" height=33%> CCCC </td> </tr> </table> |
| 10:10.13 | dank_work | </td> </tr> </table> |
| 10:10.19 | dank_work | At a guess, of course. |
| 10:10.33 | highbury | ahh I see, let me try, a dummy cell |
| 10:11.01 | dank_work | My IRC advice comes with a full money-back guarantee, of course. |
| 10:13.26 | Leeds | do you not need a or whatever the hell it is, in a dummy cell? |
| 10:13.54 | dank_work | Maybe. |
| 10:13.58 | Leeds | ugh |
| 10:14.14 | Leeds | do you see the HTML entity there? gaim seems to have parsed it... |
| 10:14.29 | dank_work | Yes, I see it. |
| 10:14.29 | Leeds | that should be ampersand-"nbsp"-semicolon |
| 10:14.44 | dank_work | Yes. It worked here. |
| 10:15.38 | Leeds | strange... |
| 10:20.49 | highbury | hmm, not working yet, you need to put lots of lines in cell AA to see where things go wrong |
| 10:24.10 | formi | have you tried any wysiwyg package, just to see what it comes up with? |
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| 11:21.17 | highbury | its-formi: nothing helpful yet |
| 11:22.19 | its-formi | i used to use dreamweaver a long time ago |
| 11:22.51 | its-formi | but it wasnt without drawbacks |
| 11:27.11 | its-formi | you "can" see it for yourself, at www.its-formi.net |
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| 12:12.10 | zachary | good evening. |
| 12:12.22 | eye69 | Whei! My SNMP diskspacechecker actually works! |
| 12:12.48 | its-formi | hiya |
| 12:13.00 | eye69 | Hello |
| 12:14.54 | its-formi | SNMP, wasn't that a can of security worms? |
| 12:22.14 | eye69 | It's all inside the firewall |
| 12:22.38 | eye69 | SNMP is far too valuable to disregard |
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| 12:38.34 | zachary | hi Jenson |
| 12:38.58 | Jenson | hey zach |
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| 12:42.29 | zachary | welcome back its-formi |
| 12:42.59 | its-formi | thanks |
| 12:43.18 | its-formi | im experiencing a very slow connection at the moment |
| 12:43.58 | its-formi | i've just being phoned by the owner of the server asking why the are 4 ssh connections to his 2 boxes |
| 12:55.48 | highbury | sheesh, somebody sends me an email to one of my rarely used addresses from hotmail, and I immediately start getting spam there :-( |
| 13:09.30 | its-formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.30 | its-formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.04 | its-formi | why a isp puts 2 dns servers in the same subnet is beyond me |
| 13:30.18 | highbury | agreed, but they might be doing wacky subnetting or something weird on their switch |
| 13:31.10 | its-formi | ive just done a dnstracer and changed the secondary dns |
| 13:46.55 | zachary | brb, 1 hr |
| 13:51.16 | Leeds | yay Framestore! |
| 13:52.21 | its-formi | ? |
| 14:14.09 | Leeds | ... |
| 14:14.22 | Leeds | I was watching Walking with Beasts, and they did the effects |
| 14:25.06 | eye69 | Evening |
| 14:25.29 | Leeds | just about |
| 14:32.32 | Leeds | Sky is just so tabloid! |
| 14:32.50 | eye69 | Regarding? |
| 14:33.53 | Leeds | "celebrity babes behaving badly" |
| 14:34.32 | highbury | yep, its only worth it, for on average, 3 programs a night, the rest is sub-channel 5 |
| 14:38.25 | Leeds | I love the fact that they made the connection: people sign up for the football - we need people to watch other channels for ad volumes - lets make a football soap for Sky One... |
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| 14:45.36 | davilion | evening all |
| 14:45.45 | its-formi | hi davilion |
| 14:46.00 | davilion | hows it going? |
| 14:46.06 | its-formi | i need reasurance |
| 14:46.14 | Leeds | evening, davilion |
| 14:46.31 | its-formi | surely i don't need to allow port 22 udp on the firewall for ssh |
| 14:46.41 | davilion | nope, just tcp |
| 14:46.45 | davilion | hi Leeds |
| 14:46.52 | Jenson | Oh hi dav |
| 14:47.11 | davilion | Hi Jenson, hows it going? |
| 14:47.31 | Jenson | Fine thanks. How are you? |
| 14:49.41 | davilion | im good, just looking at bad photos from a few weeks ago of stuff i have no recollection of |
| 14:50.32 | its-formi | anybody with experience on setting up freebsd firewalls? |
| 14:50.40 | Jenson | You don't remember doing the stuff or you were drunk when you did the stuff? |
| 14:51.52 | davilion | both |
| 14:52.03 | highbury | its-formi: use smoothwall :-) |
| 14:52.07 | davilion | i dont really suffer from memory loss, i just dont remember anybody taking photos lol |
| 14:52.40 | Leeds | http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com (particularly /far_east) |
| 14:52.47 | davilion | i think my main mistake was pretending to be gay to stop this girl annoying me all night. |
| 14:52.54 | Jenson | lol |
| 14:53.01 | Jenson | i take it you're male then |
| 14:53.07 | Jenson | how old are you if you don't mind? |
| 14:53.40 | davilion | 20 |
| 14:54.03 | Jenson | Coo, you at uni? |
| 14:54.09 | Jenson | ^Cool |
| 14:54.26 | davilion | no, i left after a few months, and never looked back. |
| 14:54.32 | its-formi | highbury, i am playing with freebsd |
| 14:54.48 | davilion | I took a year out before i went and i learnt enough to fondle my way into an IT job and its snowballed since then |
| 14:55.53 | its-formi | smothwall is just a waste of hardware, even tough I have a machine at the charity that has been working nicely without attention for over a year |
| 14:56.14 | davilion | Jenson: what do you do? Are you a student? |
| 14:56.23 | Jenson | I'm a year 13 |
| 14:56.44 | Leeds | kids... |
| 14:56.58 | Leeds | :-) |
| 14:56.58 | Jenson | kids? |
| 14:57.01 | Jenson | lol |
| 14:57.25 | davilion | Being educated from North of the border, that makes you what age? our years only went up to S7 :) |
| 14:57.31 | davilion | oops S6 |
| 14:57.44 | Jenson | 18 (well in a few days anyway) |
| 14:58.00 | davilion | cool. |
| 14:58.04 | davilion | Happy birthday in a few days |
| 14:58.08 | davilion | you going out celebrating? |
| 14:58.10 | Leeds | we didn't do year numbers like either... it was 1-5 and lower6/upper6 |
| 14:58.15 | davilion | (silly question) What are you doing to celebrate? |
| 14:58.37 | Jenson | Leeds: yeah upper 6th is also the words for it. |
| 14:58.47 | davilion | Ours generally go from Primary 1-7 then secondary 1-(4...6) |
| 14:58.59 | davilion | it seems to depend on the LEA down south |
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| 14:59.58 | Jenson | davillion: I might go bowling, I might stay at home until the internet or windows pisses me off (bout 10 mins then lol) I might go to Camden market or I might try to convonce my dad to get a new computer. |
| 15:00.14 | Jenson | Evening dan |
| 15:00.16 | Leeds | I like bowling... most of my friends don't :-( |
| 15:00.23 | dankolb | Evening |
| 15:00.29 | davilion | I'm crap at it but its a good laugh |
| 15:00.41 | dankolb | I'm really crap at it, too |
| 15:00.42 | davilion | i'm going bowling with one of my LUGs tommorow night in fact |
| 15:01.25 | Leeds | ah, now GLLUG could never do that... far too fun... |
| 15:01.30 | Jenson | I'd like a nice deathmatch DooM but that isn't gonna happen, 1) I don't have a network 2) only my ex boy/f and one of my mates has ever played DooM, 3)Only my ex boy/f likes computers. |
| 15:01.38 | dankolb | We all like computers |
| 15:02.31 | davilion | Leeds: its mainly a #scotlug thing our lug as most do, have a lot of very sad people who frown upon things like fun. |
| 15:02.31 | Jenson | I don't understand how to network would be a 4th |
| 15:02.57 | Leeds | Jenson: not hard :-) |
| 15:03.17 | Jenson | Leeds: Most likely not, I've just never tried. |
| 15:03.19 | davilion | Jenson: Wow, another geek girl :) |
| 15:03.19 | dankolb | A 4th? |
| 15:03.34 | Jenson | geek girl lol |
| 15:03.56 | Jenson | How many geek girls do you know daviliion? |
| 15:03.56 | davilion | or did i jump to the wrong conclusion? |
| 15:04.15 | Jenson | yeah dankolb, a 4th reason why I couldn't deathmatch |
| 15:04.25 | dankolb | Ah. Networking is easy |
| 15:04.29 | davilion | about erm 2 serious hard core geeks, who are fantastically competant. |
| 15:05.00 | davilion | its very hard to meet girls who dig gadgets :P |
| 15:05.42 | Jenson | Everyone I know tells me I'm good at computers then I point out that I'm good at Windows, vaguely aquainted with Mac, not acquainted with Linux, and sort of understanding the hardware. |
| 15:05.51 | Leeds | Jenson: coming along to the meeting in 3 weeks? |
| 15:05.57 | dankolb | 'tis true. Most people run away if you have more than 2 computers |
| 15:06.14 | Leeds | 2 computers? boring! |
| 15:06.25 | Jenson | No Leeds, GLLUG isn't actually near me. |
| 15:06.32 | davilion | Jenson: Where do you stay? |
| 15:06.35 | Leeds | hang on... we did this before... sorry... |
| 15:06.39 | Jenson | dankolb: We have 3 except 1 doesn't actually beloing to us. |
| 15:06.54 | Jenson | davillion: I'm near Colchester. |
| 15:06.54 | davilion | im not sure how many i have, quite a few, but since i moved i havent had time to really set up my network again |
| 15:07.03 | dankolb | Leeds: I have about 50 |
| 15:08.10 | *** join/#gllug ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 15:08.10 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.linux.co.uk [next meeting 7 December 2002] |
| 15:08.17 | davilion | im going to get stocked up again this weekend meeting some friends to build lots of scary things, and participate in dangerous activities involving fire, and old dead mobo's |
| 15:08.19 | Jenson | ibot hello |
| 15:08.19 | | niihau |
| 15:09.15 | Leeds | for reference, people, ibot has been going through some changes... he's only really a guest in here, and his owner(s) have been messing around - he should now be a different bot, albeit with similar knowledge |
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| 15:09.34 | dankolb | But....but.....I'll miss the old ibot :( |
| 15:09.58 | Leeds | dankolb: too late, unless you want to host him... I could probably get a copy of his brain... |
| 15:10.16 | davilion | Anybody seen Harry Potter? I went to see it last weekend, really enjoyed it, althouhg i think the cinema had something to do with it too |
| 15:10.26 | dankolb | Well....as long as he's okay |
| 15:10.30 | Leeds | saw it last week... |
| 15:11.29 | Leeds | it's good... not great... didn't feel too long, but didn't feel as fun as the first one to me... |
| 15:11.30 | davilion | I went to the filmworks in manchester, fantastic place, first time i've been in the gallery though |
| 15:11.45 | davilion | no it wasnt as fun as the first time, a few niggles, it felt fairly long compared to the first |
| 15:11.59 | davilion | and harry looked distinctly older in some scense than he did in others |
| 15:12.45 | Leeds | he was starting to look like a teenager dressed up as a kid... |
| 15:12.45 | davilion | and for some reason hermione kept reminding me of my ex, not sure why, they dont look very similar. |
| 15:12.48 | davilion | yeah, thats what i thought sometimes |
| 15:12.56 | davilion | you expected him to have stubble. |
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| 15:13.46 | davilion | The bird is cute though |
| 15:14.02 | davilion | reminded me of the famous grous adverts, not sure if you get them down there |
| 15:14.23 | Jenson | Has everyone got fireman doing pickets near them? |
| 15:14.51 | Leeds | Jenson: not noticed any... but I don't drive past any stations, and I've worked from home today |
| 15:15.17 | davilion | Jenson: yeah passed a few on the way home, |
| 15:15.37 | Jenson | Leeds: We have and my mother is really against it and I think to an extent it was a good idea so that should cause some arguments. |
| 15:15.38 | dankolb | We had. |
| 15:15.39 | davilion | not very many fireman out though btu they all had big banners and at least one person manning a table or something similar |
| 15:15.52 | davilion | I've managed to get a day off tommorow (sort of) thanks to this so im quite chuffed |
| 15:16.07 | Leeds | davilion: I just couldn't be bothered to go in :-) |
| 15:16.44 | davilion | i fully support it, i think its really crap what they get paid for, considering they do a really dangerous job, but i think 40% is a bit steep for all officers, but they definatly deserver more than 11% |
| 15:17.27 | Jenson | I reckon it'll end up something like 18% |
| 15:17.32 | Leeds | I see 40% as being their bargaining position... not their actual goal... but 11% (over 2 years, not in one go!) is pretty cheap |
| 15:17.39 | davilion | Leeds: i played the 'if im going to have another smash, this time im not going to be able to walk away from it, in fact i'll probably be squished pretty badly, and knowing my luck it willbe when theres nobdoy to cute me out and patch me up so i'd rather not drive on a friday with no fireman if you dont mind mike' card so im on call working from 'home' |
| 15:18.06 | Leeds | no-one to cute you out? you like firemen? :-P |
| 15:18.14 | davilion | yeah on the whole i would like them to get 20% avg, some more experience officers getting more, lesser experienced getting less etc |
| 15:18.33 | davilion | it should at least be competative with a normal office job, |
| 15:18.44 | davilion | no comment |
| 15:18.49 | Leeds | plus, they should get more in London than, say, north Yorkshire... |
| 15:19.06 | davilion | lol, well all joking aside, i'v ebeen lucky, very lucky so far that i havent drowned or been crushed, 3rd time wont be lucky |
| 15:19.22 | davilion | yeah exactly, your pay should be competative with work in the area |
| 15:19.22 | Leeds | it'd take more than competitive to get me doing a job like that... |
| 15:19.30 | davilion | its like teachers in london should get more brecause it costs more |
| 15:19.54 | davilion | yeah, thats true, i wouldnt want to fight fire, but motorway rescue i could do. |
| 15:19.56 | Leeds | davilion: they do get more - just not enough more... one of my friends (wife) is a teacher |
| 15:20.19 | Jenson | My mother is a teacher and she says fireman shouldn't get anywhere near the moeny she gets, unfortunately I dont agree with her |
| 15:20.23 | davilion | lol mine qere quite commical |
| 15:20.52 | davilion | i dont get into debates with my parents, (one teacher, one (un)civil servant) i can never win. |
| 15:21.01 | Leeds | I've had a couple of bumps |
| 15:21.15 | davilion | but pretty much anybody who works for a publicly funded body is getting screwed |
| 15:21.20 | Leeds | my dad is a solicitor, and my mum is... at leisure |
| 15:21.27 | davilion | heheh |
| 15:22.00 | Leeds | I do think it's fair to differentiate between, say, a teacher and a fireman/policeman - danger money and all that |
| 15:22.14 | Jenson | Well davillion let's just say I'm not politically quiet or conservative. I haven't had a chance to march or do anything interesting yet but I like making my feelings known. |
| 15:22.30 | Leeds | Jenson: going to uni? that's the time to get into stuff like that... |
| 15:22.37 | davilion | yeah but i think fireman should be paid more than say a policeman. |
| 15:22.43 | davilion | well a bog standard pc, |
| 15:22.53 | Leeds | how about a Mac? or SPARC? |
| 15:23.07 | Jenson | Leeds: might be, but my Marxist mate says the uni types are the worst coz all they do is talk. |
| 15:23.13 | davilion | Jenson: me too, although i dont get the chance to really march or anything these days |
| 15:23.24 | davilion | but i have quite strong views on things like public money, guns etc. |
| 15:24.02 | Jenson | The only protest we've ever had in my town before the fire strikes was people crossing over and over the road to get a crossing, bloody irritating lol |
| 15:24.15 | dankolb | Uni political types are made up from Arts students who have too much time on their hands |
| 15:24.26 | Leeds | I've been on a couple of anti-racism/fascism marches |
| 15:24.27 | davilion | thats something i missed out on, not being a student i didnt get to march student marches etc |
| 15:24.35 | Leeds | dankolb: you calling me an artist? huh? |
| 15:24.58 | dankolb | Nah. :) |
| 15:25.08 | dankolb | The Arts students just talk about crap |
| 15:25.54 | davilion | although i did join in the stop the war one at leeds.ac.uk until somebody handed me a flyer saying dont bomb iraq, freedom for palastine then i flew off the handle, shouted at the guy for confusing the subject and left |
| 15:26.12 | Leeds | yes, indeedy... |
| 15:26.49 | davilion | i really dislike war in general, but the war between isreal and palastine is totally different than the rogue state that is the USA^H^H^H iraq |
| 15:27.51 | Leeds | yup |
| 15:29.21 | Jenson | Well I must go my mother is expecting a phonecall |
| 15:29.23 | davilion | whilst i dont agree on whats going on in palastine, i dont think its got anything to do with iraq, and i dont think we should be getting involved in palastine, although it is to an extent our responsibility, its just a shame neither side want peace, as where i just dont think its our place to intervene in iraq |
| 15:29.23 | Jenson | bit late I know |
| 15:29.39 | Jenson | I ought to get some sleep |
| 15:29.40 | dankolb | Going to return after the phone call? |
| 15:29.49 | davilion | Sleep? |
| 15:29.50 | Jenson | So I'll catch up with you guys tomorrow |
| 15:29.53 | Leeds | g'night... |
| 15:29.55 | davilion | ok, take it easy |
| 15:29.57 | dankolb | Okay. See you tomorrow |
| 15:29.59 | Jenson | expect I'll stay here late tomorrow |
| 15:30.00 | dankolb | 'night |
| 15:30.03 | dankolb | Cool :) |
| 15:30.03 | Jenson | See you guys |
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| 15:30.37 | Leeds | awooga! |
| 15:30.48 | dankolb | What? |
| 15:31.16 | Leeds | nothing... geek girl :-) |
| 15:31.34 | Leeds | http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/2003/ |
| 15:31.38 | dankolb | Yeah, and? |
| 15:31.47 | dankolb | Geek girls are good |
| 15:32.19 | Leeds | well, yeah... that's the point |
| 15:32.46 | dankolb | Mine :) |
| 15:39.45 | davilion | :) |
| 15:40.07 | dankolb | Well....always a hope, isn't there :) |
| 15:40.22 | Leeds | we need photos, dammit! |
| 15:40.31 | Leeds | we already have a/s/l :-) |
| 15:41.17 | eye69 | What would be a good way of testing if a specific listserver is slow because of network or if it's slow because of waiting for IO. Some way of making it send the mails into a bitbucket? |
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| 15:42.14 | eye69 | Nevermind...think I just thought of a way to do it. |
| 15:42.21 | dankolb | Leeds: I had photos |
| 15:42.32 | Leeds | ? |
| 15:42.50 | Leeds | how, where, when, URL? |
| 15:43.00 | dankolb | She pointed me to a URL, which I can't remember at the moment. |
| 15:43.06 | dankolb | However, http://testme.eco.li/me1.jpg |
| 15:43.12 | dankolb | Is one picture of her |
| 15:43.25 | Leeds | ah, goth geek girl... |
| 15:43.40 | dankolb | Yeh. |
| 15:44.20 | dankolb | Nothing wrong with that. |
| 15:44.25 | dankolb | Especially the geek and girl bits |
| 15:44.38 | davilion | exactly |
| 15:44.45 | davilion | anything with geek and girl in its all good really |
| 15:44.53 | Leeds | pity she's out of GLLUG range... |
| 15:45.40 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 15:45.42 | dankolb | Ah well. |
| 15:47.31 | zachary | I'm off to get some sleep, good night. |
| 15:47.59 | dankolb | We just need to wear her down until she does come. |
| 15:48.07 | dankolb | How far is Colchester, anyway? |
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| 15:49.55 | davilion | anglia |
| 15:50.08 | dankolb | Hmm. Motorway-wise? |
| 15:50.15 | davilion | near the coast, up the m11 then east a bit |
| 15:50.27 | dankolb | Hmm. Not too close by :-/ |
| 15:51.28 | davilion | actually, along m25 then up the a12 is probably best route from central london |
| 15:51.29 | dankolb | About 3-4 hours drive. |
| 15:51.40 | Leeds | we could have a whip-round for a train ticket... |
| 15:51.47 | davilion | its crap from leam too, since theres no real routes east from here |
| 15:51.54 | eye69 | Desperate, guys? :) |
| 15:52.00 | Leeds | eye69: yes |
| 15:52.02 | dankolb | So, I'd be on the M25. |
| 15:52.04 | davilion | best bet for me would be to bedfordshire then along |
| 15:52.05 | dankolb | eye69: Yup |
| 15:52.26 | davilion | shit these are logged? |
| 15:52.32 | Leeds | good point... |
| 15:52.33 | Leeds | shit |
| 15:52.41 | Leeds | actually... depends on how sane ibot is feeling |
| 15:52.47 | dankolb | :-) |
| 15:53.27 | Leeds | oh, well... |
| 15:53.49 | dankolb | Yeah. We just need to work on her, so she'll come to Gllug |
| 16:02.55 | dankolb | Anyway, seeing as that's run out the conversation |
| 16:03.13 | Leeds | yup |
| 16:03.21 | dankolb | Is it worth pointing Neil Fryer to here, to save clogging up the mailing list? |
| 16:05.39 | dankolb | Or would that annoy people here? |
| 16:05.54 | Leeds | wouldn't bother me... I'd just piss off :-) |
| 16:05.59 | davilion | neil fryer? |
| 16:07.31 | dankolb | Guy who always asks really easy questions on Gllug, which other people always manage to answer before I do. |
| 16:07.53 | *** part/#gllug BorgBaby (~BorgBaby@modem-672.ditto.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 16:08.12 | dankolb | @123snap.com, or something like that |
| 16:09.08 | Leeds | the one who sends to gllug@London and glug@linux.org.za |
| 16:09.34 | Leeds | never worked out if he knows he's sending to a LUG in London and a LUG in South Africa... |
| 16:09.47 | dankolb | Does he send to both? |
| 16:10.06 | dankolb | So he does. |
| 16:10.10 | dankolb | Fule he is |
| 16:10.28 | Leeds | I think that's him... it could well be that he's from South Africa, and it's his old group... but probably not - too much of a coincidence in the names |
| 16:10.29 | dankolb | Although some people send to both gllug and OxLUG |
| 16:11.00 | Leeds | that's probably because they're in ox in termtime, or live between the two... I think when one is glug and one is gllug, that someone is confused |
| 16:11.11 | Leeds | wait til *he* sees this log :-) |
| 16:12.00 | dankolb | :-) |
| 16:12.16 | dankolb | Leeds: More often live between the two, or graduated from Ox, and moved to London |
| 16:12.55 | Leeds | well... I'm not on the WYLUG list or the Liverpool LUG list :-) |
| 16:13.10 | dankolb | Fair enough. :) |
| 16:13.30 | agk | the next WYLUG meeting looks quite good (Russell King) |
| 16:13.43 | Leeds | but I did contemplate joining the slug list :-) just read the archives in the end... |
| 16:13.44 | agk | I'm going to see if I can make it. |
| 16:13.49 | davilion | im on scotlug and gllug simply beacuse i lived in lodnon and joined gllug and found it has a much wider user base and much better response times, and lonix is fun |
| 16:13.52 | Leeds | agk: when is it? |
| 16:13.55 | dankolb | WY being? |
| 16:14.01 | davilion | but scottish is quite a good lug to be on, nice people good party |
| 16:14.02 | agk | 2nd Mon of Dec IIRC |
| 16:14.04 | Leeds | West Yorkshire - Leeds, basically |
| 16:14.14 | dankolb | Ah right. |
| 16:14.17 | dankolb | Far away, then :) |
| 16:14.57 | Leeds | I went to one of them, many years ago... I still think GLLUG could learn from that single meeting, but it could be nostalgia |
| 16:15.13 | dankolb | Nostalgia ain't what it used to be |
| 16:15.38 | Leeds | agk: I could always go see my parents, make a weekend of it... |
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| 16:17.34 | dankolb | wb, its-formi |
| 16:18.27 | its-formi | re |
| 16:18.33 | Leeds | then again... |
| 16:18.47 | Leeds | apparently they're also in the process of migrating to a new website too :-) |
| 16:19.54 | dankolb | Is highbury doing their site, too? ;-) |
| 16:20.33 | Leeds | nope... |
| 16:20.44 | dankolb | Bah. |
| 16:20.46 | Leeds | Philip Wyett |
| 16:20.51 | its-formi | anybody using pipex in here? |
| 16:20.55 | dankolb | Vote highbury to maintain *all* the LUG sites :) |
| 16:21.10 | Leeds | its-formi: Philip Wyett actually is :-) |
| 16:21.41 | Leeds | why did mozilla lose it's amazing navigation toolbar??? |
| 16:21.48 | its-formi | im having trouble again with them |
| 16:22.14 | its-formi | their routers are playing again ping pong |
| 16:22.23 | Leeds | and someone has suggested a wiki for the WYLUG site too... |
| 16:22.52 | agk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.02 | agk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.08 | dankolb | Hm. How old is OxLUG now? |
| 16:23.20 | Leeds | oh, wookey too... |
| 16:23.25 | Leeds | wonder where they're eating... |
| 16:24.29 | agk | oxlug began Jan '99 |
| 16:24.58 | agk | eating: "it's at a place that does Indian and Pizza." |
| 16:24.59 | dankolb | So it'll be 4, soon. |
| 16:25.12 | dankolb | Pizza Madras |
| 16:25.16 | agk | http://www.jamesholden.co.uk/7spices1.png http://www.jamesholden.co.uk/7spices2.png |
| 16:26.16 | Leeds | agk: I went to school near there... |
| 16:27.26 | dankolb | Is it worth doing something for OxLUG's 4th birthday? Or wait until its 5th? |
| 16:28.55 | Leeds | in fact... I went to 2 schools near there... |
| 16:31.32 | davilion | heh theres a 7spices just outside my old flat, its a takeaway but you can get pizza with curry ojn top |
| 16:32.37 | Leeds | anyway... bedtime for me |
| 16:32.46 | Leeds | going to work in the morning :-( |
| 16:33.32 | dankolb | 'night Leeds |
| 16:34.07 | davilion | doing some freelance stuff again, and finally got some motovation |
| 16:34.08 | Leeds | http://www.javascriptweenie.com/columns/perpend1.html |
| 16:35.31 | dankolb | On a roll? What sort of roll? |
| 16:35.38 | dankolb | Swiss? Bread? I think we should be told. |
| 16:36.26 | davilion | Bread. |
| 16:36.32 | davilion | swiss is ncie but i need to watch my belly |
| 16:38.21 | its-formi | looking at it won't solve anything |
| 16:38.41 | dankolb | Looking at what? |
| 16:39.06 | its-formi | his belly |
| 16:39.24 | dankolb | Yes it will. It means he won't be watching the swiss rolls |
| 16:51.44 | dankolb | 'night all |
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| 17:02.02 | CyrilB | hi |
| 17:02.44 | davilion | hello |
| 17:06.37 | highbury | hello |
| 17:13.14 | CyrilB | how are you ? |
| 22:07.59 | murb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.07 | murb | urgle |
| 22:08.13 | murb | ? |
| 22:08.46 | murb | ? ahh |
| 23:14.37 | Tarragon | Morning |
