| 01:56.45 | dank_work | Morning |
| 01:57.57 | Tarragon | Morning. |
| 01:58.06 | SpudUAway | For some. |
| 01:58.22 | SpudUAway | Still night for others. |
| 01:59.21 | Tarragon | Depends whether you are about to go to bed or not. |
| 02:00.10 | SpudUAway | Define 'about'? |
| 02:01.05 | Tarragon | Oh say the next eight hours... |
| 02:05.52 | SpudUAway | Hoh, there's optimism for you! |
| 02:11.21 | SpudUAway | Pah! Demon POP server too busy to respond. |
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| 02:18.20 | dank_work | Thank you :) |
| 02:45.18 | highbury | SpudUAway: demon pop mail working fine for me |
| 02:45.56 | highbury | of course all it pulled was spam |
| 02:46.08 | SpudUAway | Hmm, must just have been a proper, real, busy, not just broken. ;-) |
| 02:50.50 | SpudUAway | No sugar for me please. |
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| 03:43.39 | jenson | Morniing all. That is if any of you are watching. |
| 03:44.45 | SpudUAway | Watching? Of course. |
| 03:46.02 | jenson | Heya |
| 03:51.37 | SpudUAway | Anyone know what's wrong with this: |
| 03:51.45 | SpudUAway | colin@mine:~> rpm -q --queryformat "%{Summery}\n" xmms |
| 03:51.45 | SpudUAway | error in format: unknown tag |
| 03:52.03 | SpudUAway | Should % be $ ??? |
| 03:52.27 | SpudUAway | Man, do I needs Leeds to give his Bash talk again. |
| 03:53.31 | SpudUAway | Its 'Summary' in'it! |
| 03:54.08 | SpudUAway | Bah, had to type it out to figure it out. Next time I'll just pester IBot with it in a private chat. |
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| 03:56.10 | dank_work | Hey jenson |
| 03:56.25 | dank_work | SpudUAway Summary? |
| 03:56.59 | SpudUAway | dank_work: It's a long and embarrassing story. |
| 03:57.01 | jenson | Heya dan |
| 03:57.41 | dank_work | :) |
| 03:58.11 | jenson | dan: i used to have CD burner program that supported over burning but now I haven't the one I've got now won't even convert Mp3s to CD ormat. |
| 03:58.35 | jenson | It's ok I'll be back at 12:30 so if you are on lunch break then I'll catch you then. |
| 03:58.37 | dank_work | You need a better CD writing program |
| 03:58.54 | dank_work | BTW, if you want to send a private message, use /msg <user> foo |
| 03:59.21 | dank_work | And /query <user> starts a conversation. Not like xchat which nicely brings up tabs |
| 03:59.36 | jenson | dan: I know my private msg commands. I also know my CD burner software is crap |
| 04:00.02 | jenson | I was about to mail you back but I won't bother seen as you're here |
| 04:00.04 | dank_work | Ah. Good :) Didn't know how many IRC commands you're familiar with yet :) |
| 04:00.14 | dank_work | What burner software do you have? |
| 04:00.26 | jenson | dan: I know the command I just usually forget them or type them wrong. |
| 04:00.39 | dank_work | Ah right :-) |
| 04:01.23 | jenson | I've got Adaptec Easy CD Creater either 3 or 4...I use to have whatever the newer version was but I formatted and then didn't have a copy of the newer software coz the computer builder had installed it and then given us the older discs |
| 04:01.36 | dank_work | D'oh :) |
| 04:02.31 | jenson | The soundcard driver discs were out of date to I got blue screen crashes for about a week when I booted up until I bothered to d/l the updated drivers. |
| 04:02.41 | dank_work | That's really quite bad. |
| 04:03.13 | jenson | I have to go now mate. I'll be back at about 12:30...you going to be here then? |
| 04:04.40 | dank_work | As always :) |
| 04:04.56 | dank_work | Take care, then. |
| 04:05.08 | jenson | Later then. |
| 04:05.10 | dank_work | C'ya |
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| 04:45.37 | Davilion | bugger, just pulled the heatsink off an athlon, couldnt see the actual chip, then realised it was stuck to the heatsink. |
| 04:57.23 | dank_work | :-) |
| 04:57.44 | Davilion | unfortunatly the ceramic part of the chip was still in the socket |
| 04:59.19 | dank_work | Ahhh |
| 04:59.25 | dank_work | New chip time? |
| 05:03.24 | Davilion | yeah i'll just put the heatsink back on the board, and send it back as one faulty unit |
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| 05:08.58 | dank_work | Dishonest :) |
| 05:08.59 | dank_work | Hi Leeds |
| 05:09.27 | Leeds | who are you calling dishonest? |
| 05:09.45 | dank_work | Davilion |
| 05:09.55 | dank_work | Although I can't comment about someone working for Sun |
| 05:10.05 | dank_work | :-) |
| 05:11.37 | Davilion | dank_work: its not dishonest, i'm not lying, i'll just put 'doesnt work' on the returns sheet. |
| 05:12.13 | Leeds | what doesn't work? :-) |
| 05:12.30 | Leeds | dank_work: hey - I'm wearing a Sun Linux t-shirt toda, so you've got to be nice to me... |
| 05:13.36 | Davilion | heh |
| 05:13.37 | SpudUAway | What, with what people are saying about Sun Linux??? |
| 05:13.49 | Leeds | what are they saying? |
| 05:13.57 | Davilion | Leeds: pulled the heatsink off an athlon, and pulled the chip off with it, however it left the ceramic part still in the socket. |
| 05:13.59 | dank_work | "It's not Debian" |
| 05:14.26 | Davilion | whats sun linux based on? red hat? or is it more hardcore? |
| 05:14.51 | Leeds | Sun Linux is basically RedHat, with a bunch of tweaks and small upgrades |
| 05:15.05 | SpudUAway | It's just a licensed copy of RH8, which is true, and that there is no real effort to hack code, which only might be true. |
| 05:15.15 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 05:15.58 | Leeds | hang on... |
| 05:20.56 | Tarragon | Thanks OK I'm am wearing a Fosdem shirt but daydreaming about actually getting some sleep. |
| 05:21.25 | SpudUAway | Does HJ know your daydreaming??? |
| 05:24.30 | Leeds | http://wwws.sun.com/software/linux/Linux_Differences.pdf (sorry, I thought there was an HTML version) is the official list of differences between RedHat 7.2 and Sun Linux 5.0 |
| 05:26.51 | Tarragon | Hmmm bad month, need sleep - I have managed to destroy/write for seven magazines this month. The only useful one is MicroMart. |
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| 05:33.15 | dank_work | Hey jenson |
| 05:33.19 | jenson | hey dan |
| 05:33.27 | Leeds | evening... |
| 05:33.32 | Leeds | no, wait :-) |
| 05:33.43 | Leeds | afternoon... |
| 05:33.46 | jenson | lol Evening Leeds |
| 05:34.35 | jenson | Damn it's cold in here, as usual. |
| 05:34.45 | dank_work | Where are you now, then? |
| 05:34.54 | Leeds | warm enough in here... |
| 05:35.05 | dank_work | Warm here too. I'm in a T-Shirt. |
| 05:35.22 | jenson | Where my mother works, on the computers, meaning I'll be overrun by Year 1 and 2 kids in a min. |
| 05:35.35 | jenson | It's warm here too, just not in the computer room. |
| 05:35.35 | dank_work | Swarms... |
| 05:36.00 | jenson | BRB I better just chek no-one has left me any phone msgs |
| 05:36.05 | dank_work | :) |
| 05:36.16 | dank_work | Noone ever messages / phones me. |
| 05:36.31 | dank_work | Well, almost never. |
| 05:37.38 | Leeds | okay... try to imagine a situation in which one would type "man platypus" |
| 05:38.02 | Leeds | no-one ever calls me either... e-mail, SMS, IRC, Jabber, etc. |
| 05:38.59 | dank_work | I have you on my AIM list. But you're on IRC anyway |
| 05:39.06 | Leeds | yup |
| 05:39.18 | dank_work | Hmm.....probably if you're looking up the usage of a command called 'platypus' |
| 05:39.42 | dank_work | Or if someone asks what situations one would type 'man platypus' |
| 05:39.50 | jenson | back.how bloody long did ity take me to finbd my phone lol |
| 05:39.51 | Leeds | nope... I actually meant the animal |
| 05:40.07 | Leeds | I meant to type "dict platypus" - my hands are too well trained :-) |
| 05:40.11 | dank_work | ah :) |
| 05:40.37 | dank_work | dict: command not found |
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| 05:41.26 | dank_work | wb |
| 05:41.37 | jenson | ty |
| 05:41.37 | jenson | damn thing |
| 05:41.37 | dank_work | :) |
| 05:42.07 | jenson | Mind you I didn't think I had the intelligence to run anything text-based so I guess it's an improvement |
| 05:42.21 | dank_work | It's either that or not use IRC at lunchtimes at all |
| 05:42.37 | jenson | Well exactly |
| 05:43.11 | Leeds | screen rocks for unreliable connections... |
| 05:43.17 | dank_work | Yup. |
| 05:43.24 | dank_work | And if you need multiple windows |
| 05:43.28 | jenson | Eating micht be a good idea at some point too...but that can wait a while. |
| 05:43.33 | dank_work | (in my case, IRC, mail, IRC, shell) |
| 05:44.26 | jenson | Well the kids aren't allowed to eat in the computer room so I'd best not set a bad example. |
| 05:45.27 | Davilion | anybody reccoment a rescue boot disk distro type thing with a working ssh and tar? |
| 05:45.53 | dank_work | Knoppix? |
| 05:46.05 | dank_work | Tom's RootBoot? |
| 05:46.18 | jenson | I've just workd out that it'll cost m,e more to d/l Knoppix, get some decent CD burner software and an 800MB CD than it would to buy the damn thing in the first place. |
| 05:46.19 | Davilion | tried toms, doesnt have ssh |
| 05:46.38 | Davilion | ahh, see, if you had linux you could burn it for free :) |
| 05:46.39 | jenson | Not to mentio it will take me 40 hrs to d/l it. |
| 05:46.46 | dank_work | Hmm. |
| 05:46.51 | Davilion | well the cost of a cd or two anyway :) |
| 05:46.54 | dank_work | I could download it at work and send it to you |
| 05:47.02 | Davilion | knoppix would be good if it had a cdrom drive, |
| 05:47.41 | jenson | I know what I'll do. I'll get my dad to d/l it. Although with his understanding of the internet that could be futile. |
| 05:48.09 | jenson | I'm meant to be going into his mwork to do something for him sometime soon so maybe I can d/l it then I think they have a CD burner. |
| 05:48.22 | jenson | ^work |
| 05:48.37 | Leeds | jenson: I was trying to tell you that |
| 05:48.41 | Leeds | last night :-) |
| 05:49.12 | Leeds | I'm actually into VNC for semi-stable connections right now... |
| 05:49.26 | dank_work | I use VNC all the time here |
| 05:49.26 | jenson | Damn kids keep asking me what I'm doing |
| 05:49.42 | dank_work | Quick. Write words the kids wouldn't understand :) |
| 05:49.50 | jenson | They've gone |
| 05:50.08 | dank_work | Out of sight, out of mind |
| 05:50.21 | dank_work | I want to sleep |
| 05:51.14 | Leeds | dank_work: so sleep... we'll cover for you |
| 05:51.22 | dank_work | Thanks :) |
| 05:51.27 | jenson | My mother insists I should just buy the damn CD and be done with it. My parents are finally beginning to take my desire to switch to Linux seriously |
| 05:51.51 | dank_work | You should get a better distro, though. |
| 05:51.54 | dank_work | Debian sucks. |
| 05:51.57 | jenson | Yeah dan. I'm sure I could do you're job, or just charm people into thinking I knew what I was doing. Not sure they'd mistake me for you though. |
| 05:52.24 | dank_work | No. Your hair is probably longer for a start. |
| 05:52.29 | jenson | Well I'm going to get Mandrake 9 but davilion said to try out Knoppix first to find out what Linux is like. |
| 05:52.38 | Leeds | jenson: Knoppix is a very pretty way to play with Linux without installing it... but it's not necessarily the best thing to actually install |
| 05:52.47 | dank_work | Go for Slackware. You know you want to. |
| 05:52.58 | jenson | Nah I don't want Slackware |
| 05:53.01 | dank_work | Yes you do :) |
| 05:53.06 | Leeds | Mandrake is pretty good for a first install, I think, unless you want to start at the deep end, in which case you can't beat Slack |
| 05:53.12 | dank_work | It'll get you on the road to *BSD :) |
| 05:53.15 | Davilion | jenson: in a perfect world you'd try out knoppix or a bootable distro, but its sometimes just easier to take the plunge |
| 05:53.19 | dank_work | And Real Unix. |
| 05:53.19 | Leeds | dank_work: take it back! |
| 05:53.22 | jenson | The kid next to me says this looks like teletext only smaller. |
| 05:53.33 | dank_work | You can increase the font size |
| 05:53.34 | Leeds | teletext because it's text-only :-) |
| 05:53.43 | jenson | That and the kid is 7. |
| 05:54.14 | dank_work | EEK |
| 05:54.25 | Leeds | shouldn't be allowed... |
| 05:54.27 | dank_work | That means the kid will have (likely) been born after Win95 came out |
| 05:54.31 | jenson | I think Knoppix would be a good option first but I do intend on getting Mandrake 9 when I actually have a computer powerful enough to run it. |
| 05:54.44 | dank_work | Slackware doesn't need a powerful computer |
| 05:54.59 | Leeds | slckware will happily run on anything from Pentium up |
| 05:55.08 | jenson | I was born into the world of the Winchester OS until I learn't how to use the command promp to get into Windows 3.0 |
| 05:55.10 | dank_work | 486 up |
| 05:55.24 | Davilion | wow, i'm the king of convolutedness, pxe, hacked lnxbbc iso, two tin cans and a bit of wet string. |
| 05:55.38 | Leeds | it'll run on 486 - happier on Pentium... if nothing else, it *really* wants a bootable CD nowadays |
| 05:55.42 | dank_work | I started with Linux FT. Command line stuff. |
| 05:55.47 | dank_work | Honestly. People these days. |
| 05:55.50 | dank_work | You have it so easy. |
| 05:55.53 | Leeds | I started with Slackware :-) |
| 05:56.11 | Davilion | i can't remember what thre first linux i used was |
| 05:56.20 | dank_work | There's no joy in learning Linux any more. |
| 05:56.20 | Leeds | jenson: you will quickly learn that which distro you started on is a big macho thing :-) |
| 05:56.20 | jenson | I have a P90 24MB DDRAM 1GB HD.......but the sys reqs go on about the amount of RAM needed for graphic mode, and I don't think I'd survive text-mode...or the computer weouldn't survive me! |
| 05:56.24 | dank_work | It's all spoon-fed to you |
| 05:56.33 | dank_work | Click click click. Drag. Drop. Click. |
| 05:56.39 | Leeds | drool |
| 05:57.02 | dank_work | P90! In my day I *dreamed* of a P90 |
| 05:57.09 | jenson | dan: at least some of us are making an effort, I could just carry on with Windows |
| 05:57.27 | dank_work | I made the effort a long time ago. don't need to now :-) |
| 05:57.46 | jenson | I hadn't heard of Linux a long time ago. |
| 05:57.55 | Davilion | i had to download lots of floppys over 9600baud, one kernel, one root, plus applications, then, you could fdisk your hard disk, and copy the root over and run lilo on it. |
| 05:58.08 | Davilion | it was awful, then somebody got x working and it was awful but it was still good fun |
| 05:58.11 | Davilion | not very functional though |
| 05:58.15 | dank_work | Neither did I. I only got it because I wanted to learn Unix, and a friend gave me the FT CD |
| 05:58.32 | dank_work | Who here remembers 'xadmin'? |
| 05:58.59 | Leeds | what's xadmin? |
| 05:59.07 | Leeds | I know xanim :-) |
| 05:59.14 | dank_work | X-based admin tool. Old old old :) |
| 05:59.18 | jenson | I've been using Windows since I was 6 or 7.... I think my brain is kind of integrated with the everyday functions of it that impress everyonbe else. |
| 05:59.24 | dank_work | It might have been FT specific; not sure. |
| 05:59.35 | Leeds | I've always used vi (or nedit) for admin |
| 05:59.38 | dank_work | Hmm....6 or 7..... |
| 05:59.48 | dank_work | I'd have had my Sharp MZ-80K then. |
| 05:59.57 | dank_work | Possibly used a PE 3600 (with PETOS) |
| 06:00.18 | Leeds | I was using a Speccy at about 8 |
| 06:00.18 | jenson | Like when I was chatting to you earlier I wasd showing peoplke how to use Powerpoint autoshapes and they all think I'm really clever....it might sound weird but I like it here because people dopn't treat me like I know everything (probably coz I don't know much at all ) |
| 06:00.19 | dank_work | Never really used Windows until I was about 11 or 12. |
| 06:00.40 | jenson | Yeah dan but you are older than me that would be why. |
| 06:01.28 | dank_work | 4 years older |
| 06:01.29 | jenson | awww poor dan |
| 06:01.42 | jenson | Well 3 years seen as my b/day is at the weekend |
| 06:01.53 | dank_work | Cool :) |
| 06:01.57 | Leeds | windows didn't really come along until I was about 12... |
| 06:01.58 | dank_work | 3.5 years, in that case (approx.) |
| 06:02.12 | dank_work | Leeds: Yeah, but you're even older. |
| 06:02.19 | Leeds | yeah... I'm old... |
| 06:02.27 | Leeds | but not as old as Tarragon, SpudUAway or highbury |
| 06:02.55 | dank_work | True. :) |
| 06:03.02 | Leeds | I did use Windows 2 at school... |
| 06:03.13 | dank_work | I have Windows 2.03 install disks (copies) somewhere |
| 06:03.13 | jenson | It's when my mother starts talking about BBC Basic programming I wonder. |
| 06:03.28 | jenson | If she could understand BBC Basic what isd it about WIN she doesnt get? |
| 06:03.39 | Leeds | BBC BASIC was *excellent*... I'm still proud of the Logo interpreter I wrote my my GCSE project :-) |
| 06:03.43 | jenson | I never used 2. 3.0 was the oldest I got. |
| 06:03.49 | Leeds | structured BASIC... |
| 06:04.12 | SpudUAway | Davilion: That's nothing, I used to update viewdata pages at 75baud. |
| 06:04.35 | Leeds | told y'all he was old! |
| 06:04.43 | dank_work | Yep :) |
| 06:04.51 | Leeds | I did start off with a 300 baud modem - seriously :-( |
| 06:04.56 | dank_work | I have a PDP at home. |
| 06:05.02 | dank_work | 2400 was the slowest one I used. |
| 06:05.35 | dank_work | Bwah. Meeting at 2.30 (or 2, or something around then) :( |
| 06:05.47 | Leeds | well, I bought a 300 and 1200/75 one... but I couldn't use it as 1200/75 until I found a hack to TOS which slowed down outgoing bytes enough that the modem could deal with them |
| 06:05.58 | dank_work | :-) |
| 06:06.07 | Leeds | the first time I used a 2400 baud one, I thought I was in heaven... |
| 06:06.15 | Davilion | SpudUAway: heh, before my time :) |
| 06:06.35 | Leeds | now I've got a 512K/256K pipe at home, and a 2Mbit pipe at work :-) |
| 06:06.38 | dank_work | I think everyone should start off on 9600, before being allowed to touch broadband. Especially web designers |
| 06:06.44 | Davilion | yes i agree |
| 06:06.53 | Davilion | people just don't appreciate bandwidth any more |
| 06:06.58 | dank_work | I used a 9600 modem for a long time |
| 06:07.02 | jenson | We've got damn 56k modem |
| 06:07.14 | Davilion | i can remember when i first played with 56k it was like wow thats fast (which it was compared to 14.4) |
| 06:07.19 | dank_work | Don't complain :-P |
| 06:07.24 | jenson | I'm on 128k ISDM LAN here...least I think that's what it is. |
| 06:07.28 | Leeds | dank_work: absolutely |
| 06:07.36 | jenson | ^ISDN |
| 06:08.56 | jenson | ^in a moment |
| 06:09.03 | jenson | Sorry, talking and typing. |
| 06:09.21 | dank_work | Ah. You need a text-to-speech converter. |
| 06:09.28 | dank_work | Then you won't need to speak what's on IRC |
| 06:09.53 | Leeds | I'm sticking to my new diet plan - sandwiches without bread! |
| 06:10.06 | SpudUAway | ROFL! |
| 06:10.09 | jenson | Leeds: Thjat's an interesting one. |
| 06:10.23 | Leeds | otherwise known as a tuna salad :-) |
| 06:10.49 | Davilion | heh |
| 06:11.11 | Davilion | jenson: Festival can be tuned to do a wicked hall impersonation |
| 06:11.13 | SpudUAway | Talking of fish, has anyone seen Formi since the sinking? |
| 06:11.21 | Davilion | its not too bad at shakespear either |
| 06:11.43 | Leeds | SpudUAway: he was here last night... seemed - greasy - somehow :-) |
| 06:12.02 | SpudUAway | That's cruel! |
| 06:12.08 | SpudUAway | Funny, but cruel. |
| 06:12.33 | Davilion | dare i ask? |
| 06:12.50 | SpudUAway | Formi comes from Galicia. |
| 06:13.12 | Davilion | ahh :) |
| 06:13.16 | jenson | Well all I have to go eat |
| 06:13.21 | jenson | bye |
| 06:13.24 | dank_work | Byee |
| 06:13.25 | SpudUAway | jenson: What you eating then? |
| 06:13.28 | Davilion | later gater |
| 06:13.48 | jenson | SpudUAway: mars bar and little orange, very healthy lol |
| 06:13.52 | SpudUAway | 'while 'dile. |
| 06:13.52 | Davilion | heheh |
| 06:14.11 | SpudUAway | Young people, huh! Now where are my Jaffa cakes. |
| 06:14.12 | Leeds | enjoy food... |
| 06:14.45 | Davilion | back in a bit, im off ot try and find a working network card. this 3c59x downloads the os, then linux loads the modules and promptly falls over because the card doesnt exist |
| 06:14.54 | dank_work | Errr... |
| 06:15.02 | SpudUAway | Thanks dan, but I've gone metric. |
| 06:15.49 | SpudUAway | Big up to Dan the Man there!!!! |
| 06:16.03 | jenson | Right now I really must go coz I have to eat. |
| 06:16.06 | *** part/#gllug jenson (~jenson@64.246.28.105) |
| 06:16.09 | dank_work | Bah. Hungry people. |
| 06:16.39 | dank_work | Whatever happened to eating in front of the computer? |
| 06:17.32 | dank_work | You're never allowed to leave IRC :) |
| 06:17.54 | Leeds | you've got to go get food so you can bring it back and eat in front of the computer |
| 06:18.23 | Leeds | *I've* got to go get food so I can bring it back and eat it in front of the computer |
| 06:18.42 | dank_work | *I* bring food in the mornings |
| 06:18.48 | dank_work | Before I'm in front of the computer |
| 06:19.00 | dank_work | And get some around 10am, when you're still asleep :-P |
| 06:19.55 | SpudUAway | I want to know what the official name of the phenomenon is. |
| 06:20.04 | dank_work | Working? |
| 06:20.46 | SpudUAway | No, not that. |
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| 06:21.18 | SpudUAway | Very small orange, obviously. |
| 06:21.21 | jenson | Back again |
| 06:21.36 | jenson | My mother is here asking me about how to use the internet so now I'm eating in here |
| 06:21.54 | SpudUAway | In front of the computer? We'd never do that! |
| 06:22.03 | jenson | I always do that lol |
| 06:22.05 | Leeds | how to use the internet? no idea! |
| 06:22.07 | jenson | hehehe |
| 06:22.18 | Leeds | so is she reading over your shoulder? |
| 06:22.24 | jenson | I've got people either side of me who asks questions now. |
| 06:23.02 | jenson | no leeds she isn't |
| 06:23.03 | Leeds | the answer is 42! it's always 42... |
| 06:23.04 | SpudUAway | I've got the 7 disc CD set of the Internet, bought from PC World a couple of years ago. Probably available on DVD now. |
| 06:23.05 | dank_work | wb |
| 06:23.21 | jenson | Leeds: thats the meaning of life |
| 06:23.32 | SpudUAway | Answer! |
| 06:24.01 | Leeds | it's the answer to the great question of Life, the Universe and Everything - and therefore a correct answer to all lesser questions |
| 06:24.01 | dank_work | ibot insult this shitty firewall |
| 06:24.11 | jenson | lol dan |
| 06:24.19 | dank_work | Sorry. It b0rk3d again |
| 06:24.28 | jenson | ibot lart the firewall |
| 06:24.43 | dank_work | Can I have the Internet on a floppy disk, please? |
| 06:25.06 | SpudUAway | Yeah, I got some 360K disks here, will they do? |
| 06:25.26 | SpudUAway | Ah, when floppies flopped. |
| 06:25.34 | Leeds | ibot thanks |
| 06:25.34 | | bitte, Leeds |
| 06:25.34 | Tarragon | The big 5.25" ones? |
| 06:25.36 | dank_work | Yeah. I'll have an old copy of the internet |
| 06:25.40 | Leeds | 8 inch! |
| 06:25.43 | dank_work | Tarragon: No. 8" were big |
| 06:25.46 | jenson | I have some 720s |
| 06:25.47 | dank_work | I have some somewhere |
| 06:26.11 | Leeds | we had a machine at school which took 8" disks... but no-one knew how to use it... |
| 06:26.12 | SpudUAway | The good old days, when you didn't have to struggle, too much, to get the disk stapled to a piece of paper. |
| 06:26.23 | dank_work | :-) |
| 06:26.25 | Leeds | I've got 5.25" disks at my parents place... |
| 06:26.36 | dank_work | I have boxes and boxes of 5.25" disks |
| 06:26.43 | dank_work | Grrr. I can't get used to a UK keymap |
| 06:27.06 | Leeds | I'm on a (Sun) US keymap at work and a (PC) UK keymap at home... |
| 06:27.06 | Tarragon | I have one 8" and some punch cards framed. Never kept any mylar tape though :-( |
| 06:27.08 | jenson | Why haven't you been using a UK keymap |
| 06:27.38 | dank_work | Because for the last couple of years I've used a DEC LK401 keyboard on my PC |
| 06:27.51 | SpudUAway | jenson: So, what are on these mp3's that you converted? |
| 06:28.02 | dank_work | Which is from a VT520(IIRC), and is US. |
| 06:28.13 | dank_work | And the Apple has a US-style keymap, too |
| 06:29.20 | dank_work | Maybe I should switch back to a US map. I feel more comfortable with it |
| 06:29.31 | jenson | Yeah I noticed that Dan |
| 06:29.48 | SpudUAway | s/you converted/you want converted/ |
| 06:30.43 | jenson | Spud it isn't MP3 i wanted converted. I was talking about things that my CD burner software doesn't do I have to use MMJB to convert. |
| 06:31.50 | SpudUAway | jenson: Oh, though you were trying to convert some mp3 back to a 'normal' format, maybe to play in an audio CD player. |
| 06:31.54 | dank_work | My head's hurting |
| 06:32.12 | jenson | Anyway I really must go now coz there is going to be a class full of kids in here in a min asking me a million questions about IE and Ecatra |
| 06:32.18 | SpudUAway | dank_work: Falling asleep on a keyboard, regardless of map, will do that! |
| 06:32.27 | dank_work | 9zwitfc9iutf0 |
| 06:32.29 | jenson | Spud: Yeah I can do that though |
| 06:32.45 | dank_work | Simple answer with IE is DON'T USE IT! |
| 06:32.48 | Leeds | jenson: just look enigmatic and answer "FOO!" to all questions... |
| 06:32.59 | SpudUAway | jenson: L8ers then. |
| 06:33.36 | dank_work | Leeds: No no. You have to alternate between foo, bar, baz, bat |
| 06:33.48 | Leeds | true... |
| 06:34.46 | *** part/#gllug jenson (~jenson@64.246.28.105) |
| 06:35.22 | Leeds | in there... |
| 06:35.45 | dank_work | In where? |
| 06:36.09 | Leeds | in *there* |
| 06:36.13 | dank_work | Ahh yes :) |
| 06:36.16 | dank_work | I'm working on it. |
| 06:36.36 | Leeds | remember the logs... someday someone will point her at them :-) |
| 06:36.57 | dank_work | You? |
| 06:37.28 | Leeds | why would you think that? |
| 06:37.33 | dank_work | Dunno :) |
| 06:37.37 | Davilion | its always the quiet ones you gotta watch |
| 06:37.49 | Leeds | counts me out then |
| 06:38.04 | dank_work | So that'd be agk here, then :) |
| 06:38.09 | Leeds | heh :-) |
| 06:41.32 | dank_work | "The MS OS Certificate of Authenticity is a multi-colored label located on the side or bottom of your system. To learn more about this, visit support.dell.com. Then "Ask Dudley" about COA" |
| 06:41.44 | highbury | Leeds: did you reply to sudhir? |
| 06:41.53 | Leeds | highbury: I forwarded Jason's reply on |
| 06:43.03 | murb | are there any mailling lists for cordination between various LUGs etc? |
| 06:43.05 | highbury | ahh, we should have told him about the mailing list, but hop[efully he'll look at the website. I should say something on the website to say "free to join" |
| 06:43.24 | SpudUAway | Lugmasters |
| 06:43.36 | murb | SpudUaway: isn't that uk only? |
| 06:43.44 | SpudUAway | <lugmaster@mailman.lug.org.uk> |
| 06:44.04 | SpudUAway | Yeah. You want international? |
| 06:44.07 | SpudUAway | Hmm. |
| 06:44.18 | murb | SpudUAway: well UK+Ireland |
| 06:45.36 | Leeds | it also seems to have a couple of slightly unfortunate problems... a lot of stuff about the lug.org.uk stuff, and regular arguments started by MJ Ray |
| 06:46.12 | murb | so i won't recomend it to some linux.ie people then. |
| 06:47.11 | Leeds | it would be nice to have a more general (global? European?) lugmasters list setup |
| 06:47.55 | murb | Leeds: European i think would be about right. |
| 06:48.13 | Leeds | otherwise maybe flooded by US people... |
| 06:48.25 | murb | atleast for organising localish things it doesn't make sense to have a gloabl list |
| 06:48.33 | Leeds | then, of course, you get into language problems... |
| 06:48.44 | SpudUAway | Quick, someone grab lugs.org.eu |
| 06:48.59 | Leeds | I don't really meant for organising cross-LUG things... more just for keeping in touch with each other, sharing tips, etc. |
| 06:49.06 | murb | Leeds: that does'nt happen with debian-events-europe. |
| 06:49.08 | highbury | btw. *we* are now also at http://gl.lug.org.uk |
| 06:49.23 | Leeds | highbury: I know, but we don't really use any of their other services, do we? |
| 06:49.30 | Davilion | hmm mental note, don't buy sainsbury's cheese pasta salad in future as its more salad less cheese |
| 06:50.00 | SpudUAway | Hmm, cheese, that's a thought. |
| 06:50.07 | Leeds | Davilion: I can recommend M&S cheese pasta layered salad |
| 06:50.25 | Davilion | yummy |
| 06:50.36 | highbury | Leeds: it has been discussed, you were involved. But, for the moment we stay as we are. |
| 06:50.57 | highbury | Korenwolf: Do you think you might be able to the meeting on the 7th? |
| 06:51.07 | murb | Don't they put nasty adverts in their list mail? |
| 06:51.36 | Leeds | murb: not any more |
| 06:51.41 | Leeds | or at least: not at the moment |
| 06:52.28 | murb | someone went and created herts.lug.org.uk, when hlug@earth.li already existed...not it causes intersting problems with people being on the wrong list. |
| 06:52.53 | SpudUAway | Mmmm, I knew there must have been something in the fridge that wasn't covered in chocolate. The bluey/green bit are good for you, right? |
| 06:53.20 | Leeds | SpudUAway: you hear all those ads about 'live yougurt' being good for you, don't you? |
| 06:54.48 | Davilion | murb: we used to get that all the time in scotlug, people creating sub lugs just for the sake of it without looking to see whats already out there |
| 06:55.54 | SpudUAway | Leeds: lug.org.uk did seem to be the main resource for organising the national installfest days. |
| 06:56.55 | Leeds | SpudUAway: sure... but it might be nice if it were a little more independent, and MJ Ray really rubs me up the wrong way... |
| 06:57.03 | SpudUAway | I wonder who is taking responsibility for the 2003 days? |
| 06:57.13 | Leeds | food time! |
| 06:57.39 | SpudUAway | But how many independent lugs are there? |
| 06:58.13 | Davilion | not all that many active ones |
| 07:01.14 | Korenwolf | highbury: not sure atm |
| 07:01.18 | Korenwolf | Will try and make it |
| 07:01.57 | SpudUAway | WHAT! You mean I might have to find some money to buy you that promised beer! |
| 07:02.44 | Korenwolf | heh :) |
| 07:02.56 | SpudUAway | I'm only going to buy it at 1999 prices! |
| 07:09.11 | murb | Leeds: I think MJ Ray has a little brother who has just gone to hatfield poly... |
| 07:09.29 | murb | and is a right haz0r type |
| 07:10.33 | Davilion | heh |
| 07:10.59 | Davilion | how long do you recon before all the l337 d00ds start invading linux? |
| 07:11.20 | SpudUAway | Start? Look at Murb! |
| 07:11.27 | Leeds | look at D |
| 07:11.27 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 07:12.06 | dank_work | Meeting time |
| 07:12.07 | SpudUAway | Though you may not realise it, look and John and me! |
| 07:12.26 | SpudUAway | No, sorry, that's just toooooo far fetched. |
| 07:12.34 | Leeds | bloody QL geeks |
| 07:12.57 | SpudUAway | We were l337 before Elite ! |
| 07:13.52 | SpudUAway | We all had out own, personal JSW pokes. |
| 07:16.23 | Davilion | heh |
| 07:16.35 | Davilion | i meant the little script kiddies |
| 07:16.46 | Davilion | it seems they can't work linux yet |
| 07:48.05 | dank_work | Boo |
| 07:54.15 | Davilion | what a day |
| 07:54.49 | dank_work | Happy Wednesday afternoon |
| 07:55.29 | Davilion | its not too bad, didnt leave the office until midnight last night then i spent all night onn the phone to the states so im pretty tired today |
| 07:55.34 | SpudUAway | God, is it Wednesday! |
| 07:56.15 | SpudUAway | Hump day, already, crikey. |
| 07:56.40 | Davilion | hump day? |
| 07:56.59 | Tarragon | Personal JSW pokes - Ha - Used to have lunch and play 3D Monster Maze with Eugene Evans - We were too young for beer :-( |
| 07:57.00 | SpudUAway | Hump day, yeah. Over the hump, coast down to the weekend. |
| 07:57.22 | dank_work | Ah. You weren't having a dirty-minded thought, were you? |
| 07:57.24 | Tarragon | Weekend? Whats that! |
| 07:57.25 | Davilion | ahh ok |
| 07:57.57 | SpudUAway | dank_work: I was, just not about hump days tho'. |
| 07:58.01 | Davilion | you mean you dont work 7 days a week? |
| 07:58.53 | SpudUAway | Tarragon: The weekend. You know, those 3 hours where you go to Bowlers. |
| 07:59.31 | SpudUAway | Davilion: Have you been working your weekends off? |
| 07:59.31 | Tarragon | Ah the company buying trip you mean. |
| 07:59.44 | SpudUAway | And will you be sowing them back on again? |
| 08:00.06 | Davilion | SpudUAway: yeah, i've been starting my own company, doing more private work, and doing overtime for streamline, not to mention tyring to 'socialise' |
| 08:00.10 | SpudUAway | s/sowing/sewing |
| 08:00.28 | SpudUAway | Err, though, I don't know, now that I come to think of it. |
| 08:02.01 | SpudUAway | Err, IRC isn't really socialising! |
| 08:02.08 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 08:02.59 | dank_work | Yes it is |
| 08:03.00 | dank_work | :) |
| 08:10.20 | SpudUAway | Hey, I've just got a ticket to go and see RadioActive being recorded on Sunday week. |
| 08:22.26 | Leeds | SpudUAway: congrats |
| 08:24.18 | SpudUAway | I suspect the minidisc will have to be put to good, or is that bad, use. |
| 08:25.07 | Leeds | out-takes? |
| 08:41.02 | dank_work | Heh |
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| 09:44.17 | dank_work | Hi |
| 09:44.24 | Oldeh | ello |
| 09:44.26 | Oldeh | :> |
| 09:45.13 | Oldeh | first of all let me say :) i wanna jump into linux |
| 09:45.26 | Oldeh | but im findin it dam hard |
| 09:45.46 | Oldeh | i managed to get rehat 8 up and runnin |
| 09:46.00 | Oldeh | but i play open gl games |
| 09:46.01 | dank_work | Linux is easy :) |
| 09:46.12 | Oldeh | and i carnt get nvidia drivers into it |
| 09:46.16 | dank_work | Ah. |
| 09:46.22 | Oldeh | i can get quake3 running in sofware mode |
| 09:46.37 | Oldeh | but the nvidia stuff is so confusing |
| 09:46.39 | dank_work | But you'd rather have the hardware acceleration? |
| 09:46.44 | Oldeh | yes please |
| 09:46.53 | Oldeh | i followed 3 or 4 howtos |
| 09:46.59 | Oldeh | but nothing |
| 09:47.06 | Oldeh | im very frustrated |
| 09:47.22 | dank_work | It has a tendency of being like that |
| 09:47.29 | Oldeh | hehe |
| 09:47.38 | Oldeh | i have tried mandrake and redhat |
| 09:47.51 | Oldeh | i got on much better with RH |
| 09:49.29 | dank_work | Okay. I don't have NVidia cards, so I don't know how to get the binary-only drivers working. |
| 09:49.48 | Oldeh | i have a radeon 9700pro as well |
| 09:50.00 | SpudUAway | http://www.nvidia.com/search.asp?keywords=linux+drivers |
| 09:50.06 | Oldeh | yes done that |
| 09:50.14 | SpudUAway | Is a link that will get you more info. |
| 09:50.16 | Oldeh | let me add |
| 09:50.23 | SpudUAway | You got both rpms? |
| 09:50.35 | Oldeh | right i got the right glx driver matched to the right kernal |
| 09:50.44 | Oldeh | yes rpms come up with errors |
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| 09:50.49 | CyrilB | hi |
| 09:50.53 | Oldeh | i even compiled |
| 09:50.59 | dank_work | Hi |
| 09:51.03 | Oldeh | but nothin |
| 09:51.17 | Oldeh | i need a linux quake player |
| 09:51.26 | Oldeh | some one whos done it on rh |
| 09:51.31 | Oldeh | :/ |
| 09:51.42 | SpudUAway | Actually, i need a linux quake player! |
| 09:51.51 | Oldeh | but me and all my mates run WindowXp |
| 09:51.58 | SpudUAway | I've got it running, but on SuSE. |
| 09:52.08 | Oldeh | oh dam |
| 09:52.32 | Oldeh | i got a gf3 ultra |
| 09:52.41 | Oldeh | and a radeon 9700 pro |
| 09:52.48 | Oldeh | i carnt get either to work |
| 09:52.56 | Oldeh | im quite frustrated |
| 09:52.59 | Oldeh | :/ |
| 09:53.09 | dank_work | Don't play Quake then :-P |
| 09:53.13 | Oldeh | bah |
| 09:53.22 | Oldeh | its a reason to try linux |
| 09:53.26 | dank_work | Play Hunt the Wumpus instead |
| 09:53.31 | Leeds | angband! |
| 09:53.45 | Oldeh | mmmm |
| 09:54.35 | Oldeh | so u which of u guys is in london |
| 09:54.36 | Oldeh | ? |
| 09:54.54 | Oldeh | ne1? |
| 09:55.24 | SpudUAway | dank_work: HtW, man you mash my head up, hehe! |
| 09:55.31 | SpudUAway | Is top game. |
| 09:55.45 | Oldeh | is there any release of linux that comes with opengl for nvidia already in it? |
| 09:55.54 | SpudUAway | Kind of game you could play on hump days ;-) |
| 09:56.26 | Leeds | Oldeh: all of us, approximately |
| 09:56.41 | SpudUAway | No, 'cos opengl is lisence doesn't allow it. Saying that, my SuSE installed it automatically, from the nVidea sites. |
| 09:56.53 | Oldeh | oh |
| 09:56.56 | Oldeh | dam |
| 09:57.15 | Oldeh | how many iso's do i need to download |
| 09:57.26 | Oldeh | i guess i'll try suse then? |
| 09:57.27 | SpudUAway | What errors do you get when installing the rpms? |
| 09:57.35 | Oldeh | error line 23' |
| 09:57.38 | Oldeh | error line 23's |
| 09:58.00 | Oldeh | and then startx dont work and kicks me to commandline |
| 09:58.03 | SpudUAway | What an odd sort of RPM error. what about when you compiled? |
| 09:58.15 | Oldeh | no errors from the compiled |
| 09:58.24 | Oldeh | but startx just errors out |
| 09:58.33 | Oldeh | i edited xfree86config |
| 09:58.56 | Oldeh | i included load "glx" |
| 09:59.17 | Oldeh | and changed driver from nv to "nvidia" |
| 09:59.22 | Oldeh | as per instructons |
| 09:59.28 | Oldeh | but nothing |
| 09:59.31 | highbury | SuSE don't provide iso images |
| 09:59.56 | Oldeh | u carnt download suse? |
| 10:00.15 | SpudUAway | Oldeh: Not as an iso, no. |
| 10:00.29 | Oldeh | hows do u getit then? |
| 10:00.36 | Oldeh | i meant how? |
| 10:00.38 | highbury | you should be editing /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 10:01.36 | highbury | you buy it, approx £35 for SuSE 8.1 Pro Update (which has all the cd's but less manuals) or arounf £59 for full thing |
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| 10:01.59 | Oldeh | i already bought suse 6 and 7 |
| 10:02.08 | Oldeh | but found it too frustrating |
| 10:02.11 | SpudUAway | Do you like Lederhosen? |
| 10:02.14 | Oldeh | so gave them away |
| 10:02.20 | highbury | they bring out a new version every 6 months |
| 10:02.32 | Oldeh | ja laderhosen is da bombe |
| 10:02.42 | Oldeh | :> |
| 10:03.05 | Oldeh | now stop it |
| 10:03.07 | Oldeh | :> |
| 10:03.15 | SpudUAway | Consider it stopped. |
| 10:03.30 | Oldeh | :> |
| 10:03.37 | Oldeh | but |
| 10:03.39 | Oldeh | but |
| 10:03.39 | Oldeh | but |
| 10:03.49 | SpudUAway | What config file in RH* were you changing? |
| 10:03.51 | Oldeh | when i say No do i really mean it? |
| 10:03.58 | Oldeh | let me look |
| 10:04.19 | Oldeh | im sure its the right file |
| 10:04.24 | Oldeh | but ill check |
| 10:05.18 | Oldeh | omg |
| 10:05.26 | Oldeh | machines not booting |
| 10:05.30 | Oldeh | doh |
| 10:05.51 | Oldeh | i guess i'll leave it till the next meeting |
| 10:05.58 | Oldeh | where is it gonna be btw |
| 10:06.37 | SpudUAway | /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 10:07.01 | Oldeh | yep thats the one i edited |
| 10:07.14 | Oldeh | hehe |
| 10:07.25 | Oldeh | some ones leetching |
| 10:07.27 | Oldeh | from me |
| 10:08.00 | highbury | same place as before, check out the website |
| 10:08.58 | Oldeh | cool i will look into it again thx for your help |
| 10:09.06 | SpudUAway | Oldeh: You play Q3 over the Internet? What free servers are there? |
| 10:10.05 | Oldeh | theres loads |
| 10:10.11 | Oldeh | do u play q3 then |
| 10:10.12 | Oldeh | ? |
| 10:10.33 | SpudUAway | I have Q3, would like to play, need somewhere to start. |
| 10:10.40 | Oldeh | cool |
| 10:10.42 | Tarragon | If you get the SuSE 8.1 then the online update does the nVidia driver. Running here smooth. Makes a huge difference. Frame rate and pixel smoothing |
| 10:10.49 | Oldeh | we can swap tips then |
| 10:11.12 | Oldeh | cool |
| 10:11.27 | Tarragon | Not Q3 tips - Counter-Strike maybe..... |
| 10:11.45 | SpudUAway | Yeah, but no CS client? |
| 10:12.05 | SpudUAway | You gotta try the UT2003 demo tho'. |
| 10:12.24 | Tarragon | True. pity as then I would ownz you all! |
| 10:12.33 | Oldeh | lol |
| 10:12.42 | Oldeh | UT SUKX WORSE THEN WINDOWS |
| 10:12.47 | Oldeh | infact its so bad |
| 10:12.54 | Oldeh | it could be a M$ product |
| 10:12.58 | Oldeh | hehhehe |
| 10:17.24 | Tarragon | nVidia is better for games especially the transgaming stuff. Just a pain about the drivers. Still no driver for Mandy 9.0 If you want bad though Mattrox 550 dual head. Crashes on any GL stuff with cursor lock |
| 10:19.12 | Oldeh | :< |
| 10:20.09 | murb | Tarragon: well nv have a certain repultation for crashy drivers. |
| 10:20.23 | Oldeh | hehe |
| 10:20.32 | Oldeh | thats so not true |
| 10:20.41 | Oldeh | i have had nv driver on windows for years |
| 10:20.51 | Oldeh | and the only thing they do is imporve |
| 10:21.11 | Oldeh | i have never had to downgrade drivers for stability problems |
| 10:35.04 | eye69 | Evening |
| 10:42.27 | dank_work | Hi |
| 10:47.42 | dank_work | Hometime. |
| 10:48.46 | eye69 | Sadly, no. |
| 10:49.28 | dank_work | It is for me. |
| 10:49.37 | dank_work | I'll be back on this evening. As usual. |
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| 11:19.03 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.linux.co.uk [next meeting 7 December 2002] |
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| 12:03.28 | resudaed | is there anyone here? |
| 12:06.53 | murb | no. |
| 12:08.56 | resudaed | ok |
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| 13:01.09 | irvined_ | evening all |
| 13:33.27 | SpudUAway | Anyone see Dead Ringers on the telly Monday? |
| 13:39.08 | Tarragon | Monday night - Nah was working :-) |
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| 13:45.09 | SpudUAway | agk: How was it decided who should take the responsibility for organising the National Installfest days this year? |
| 13:45.37 | agk | one person volunteered and everyone else let him get on with it |
| 13:45.57 | SpudUAway | Kewl. Has he recovered? |
| 13:46.28 | SpudUAway | Has anyone offered plans for next year? |
| 13:55.36 | eye69 | Fscking MySQL |
| 13:56.02 | SpudUAway | Aye, eye! |
| 13:57.11 | eye69 | When checking mysql.com for information about OPTIMIZE TABLE it says that if I run 'myisamchk --quick --check-only-changed --sort-index --analyze' that should be the same thing as OPTIMIZE TABLE. It isn't. |
| 13:57.37 | eye69 | Myisamchk doesn't seem to be reclaming space from deleted rows, while OPTI.... does. |
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| 13:59.12 | dankolb | Evening |
| 14:01.08 | Tarragon | Evening again - long trip home? |
| 14:01.35 | dankolb | Nope. Just on a modem here, so am not connected all the time |
| 14:01.57 | Tarragon | OK. |
| 14:02.21 | dankolb | I really must get around to installing ADSL |
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| 14:03.02 | Tarragon | Cost vs benefit if you have work access |
| 14:03.46 | dankolb | Hey jenson |
| 14:03.59 | jenson | Hey dan |
| 14:04.00 | dankolb | Apparently work might pay for it |
| 14:05.28 | irvined_ | heh |
| 14:05.46 | irvined_ | tidying up really is an oxymoron |
| 14:05.59 | dankolb | Howso? |
| 14:06.12 | irvined_ | well, whenever i try to tidy up, all i do is create lots of mess |
| 14:06.32 | jenson | irvined: welcome to my world lol |
| 14:06.39 | dankolb | Ah :) |
| 14:07.46 | irvined_ | heh |
| 14:08.48 | irvined_ | elwell must be nearly here |
| 14:08.51 | dankolb | Can I have a DHCP lease? |
| 14:09.08 | jenson | damn that freaking bleeping can't be assed to turn it off though. |
| 14:09.30 | dankolb | BEEP BEEP |
| 14:09.35 | jenson | Now I've turned the CD player on with speaskers off.....lol |
| 14:09.37 | dankolb | What's beeping? |
| 14:09.40 | jenson | ty for that input dan |
| 14:09.50 | jenson | The damn thing announcing private msgs |
| 14:10.04 | dankolb | Ah. :-) |
| 14:14.40 | jenson | Has it gone quiet or is this thing dying on me |
| 14:14.56 | dankolb | Quiet. |
| 14:30.01 | irvined_ | much as ibm pisses me off its always nice to know you've got space for pr0n |
| 14:30.03 | irvined_ | /dev/home 4.3T 344G 3.9T 8% /hpcx/home |
| 14:30.03 | irvined_ | /dev/tmpchkpt 4.3T 835M 4.2T 1% /hpcx/tmpchkpt |
| 14:30.04 | irvined_ | /dev/work 6.4T 1022M 6.3T 1% /hpcx/work |
| 14:30.06 | irvined_ | /dev/hsm 2.1T 1.8G 2.1T 1% /hpcx/hsm |
| 14:30.30 | dankolb | Give me :) |
| 14:30.35 | dankolb | The drive space, that is |
| 14:30.37 | Tarragon | T oh please |
| 14:30.58 | dankolb | What system is that on? |
| 14:31.11 | irvined_ | now you know what your education budget is spent on |
| 14:31.19 | irvined_ | daresbury |
| 14:31.35 | dankolb | IBM system? |
| 14:31.42 | jenson | I can't stay much longer coz my granny wants to phone a mate soon. |
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| 14:32.59 | dankolb | Ah. :-/ Okay |
| 14:32.59 | jenson | hey cupis |
| 14:33.01 | dankolb | Hi cupis |
| 14:33.11 | irvined_ | dankolb: yeah |
| 14:33.23 | dankolb | Don't know it. Can I have it? |
| 14:33.25 | cupis | hey |
| 14:35.31 | irvined_ | i think they're using it at the moment, if your willing to wait a few years im sure they will scrap it evenutually |
| 14:36.50 | Tarragon | 17T - whats the electricity bill and what backup? |
| 14:37.59 | dankolb | irvined_: Cool. Put my name down already, then :) |
| 14:38.21 | irvined_ | backup is a lot of cool shiny roboty goodness i'm told |
| 14:38.28 | irvined_ | 24 lto drives on a robot |
| 14:38.53 | dankolb | Mmmm. Can I have that too? |
| 14:39.03 | irvined_ | sure anytime :) |
| 14:39.15 | irvined_ | just pop over in a transit van and the security guard will let you in |
| 14:40.08 | dankolb | Ah. Could be difficult. |
| 14:40.12 | dankolb | What about a VW microbus? |
| 14:40.30 | irvined_ | heheh |
| 14:42.08 | Tarragon | Depends on your suspension then. |
| 14:42.20 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
| 14:42.29 | jenson | I have to go now. |
| 14:42.31 | dankolb | Tarragon: It's quite reasonable |
| 14:42.32 | jenson | See ya guys |
| 14:42.44 | dankolb | C'ya |
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| 14:48.42 | SpudUAway | irvined_: No, 'tidying up' is only an oxymoron if you have children, because, no matter what they have, it will end up on the floor, so you HAVE GOT TO PICK IT **UP** to tidy. |
| 14:49.43 | SpudUAway | Adults can tidy down. Tho' I suspect her mother would have something to say about it if I tried to Tie D down! |
| 14:49.58 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:50.51 | Tarragon | Awwww I'm gonna show D a log file of this - Your in trouble. |
| 14:51.03 | SpudUAway | D, or Diana, my partner. |
| 14:51.56 | SpudUAway | irvined_: How much of that is mp3s? |
| 14:52.23 | Tarragon | D=Diana you know how much she doesn't like SM |
| 14:52.30 | irvined_ | SpudUAway: none at present, i dont get on that system, its not my toy unfortunatly. |
| 14:52.54 | irvined_ | I do however, have few terrabytes of storage at leeds which occionally gets used for some mp3/ogg/divx encoding :) |
| 14:52.56 | SpudUAway | irvined_: Matter of time, surely. |
| 14:53.20 | SpudUAway | I'm sure it does guv'ner. |
| 14:53.24 | irvined_ | yeah i imagine so, our MD seems to be getting his finger deeper into more and more hpc pies as time goes on |
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| 15:10.02 | agk | SpudUAway: installfest plans for next year - nope; raise it on the lugmaster mailing list? |
| 15:11.31 | SpudUAway | agk: Murb was asking after any other lub support mailing lists, like lugmaster, but European. Do you know of anything? |
| 15:11.57 | agk | only an international one |
| 15:12.05 | agk | not much happens on it though, and it's very Us-centric |
| 15:12.45 | SpudUAway | OK. |
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| 15:54.27 | Old3haw3y | 9 Operating System8 (3 Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 1 (5.1 - 2600)8 ) |
| 15:54.27 | Old3haw3y | 9 Uptime8 (3 2days 6hrs 33mins 18secs8 ) 9 Record Uptime8 (3 2days 6hrs 33mins 18secs8 ) |
| 15:54.30 | Old3haw3y | 9 Processor8 (3 1-Intel Pentium 4, 2806MHz, 512KB (14% Load)8 ) |
| 15:54.31 | Old3haw3y | 9 Memory8 (3 Usage: 233/512MB (45.51%) [|||||||||-----------]8 ) |
| 15:54.31 | Old3haw3y | 9 Motherboard8 (3 Abit p4-553-c8 )9 Temperature/Fan8 (3 CPU Temprature is -1°C, and Case Temprature is °C8 ) |
| 15:54.31 | Old3haw3y | 9 Display8 (3 1600x1200 32bit 100Hz8 ) 9 Monitor8 (3 Iiyama 22"8 ) |
| 15:54.31 | Old3haw3y | 9 Graphics Card8 (3 Radeon 9700 Pro8 ) 9 3DMark Score8 (3 153238 ) |
| 15:54.32 | Old3haw3y | 9 Internet8 (3 nilly via Alcatel SpeedTouch USB ADSL PPP @ 576Kb/s for 6h 30m 24s (121.48MB up, 567.23MB down)8 ) |
| 15:54.35 | Old3haw3y | 9 Free Space (C:)8 (3 30.98 GB8 ) |
| 15:54.37 | Old3haw3y | 9 Free Space (D:)8 (3 23.55 GB8 ) |
| 15:54.39 | Old3haw3y | 9 Free Space (F:)8 (3 25.34 GB8 ) |
| 15:54.41 | Old3haw3y | oops |
| 15:54.48 | cupis | Old3haw3y: ? |
| 15:55.02 | Old3haw3y | eek pressed machine stats |
| 15:55.04 | Old3haw3y | :> |
| 15:55.11 | Old3haw3y | <- noob |
| 15:55.41 | old3h | spud u there doode |
| 15:56.26 | old3h | spud u there doode! |
| 15:56.29 | old3h | wake wake |
| 15:56.32 | old3h | :> |
| 15:56.39 | old3h | gowd hes gown |
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| 15:56.44 | old3h | :/ |
| 15:57.25 | dankolb_ | Stupid BT |
| 15:57.42 | old3h | im still lookin for a linux chappie that can help me install nvidia drivers on redhat :> |
| 15:57.55 | old3h | im not having ne luk |
| 15:58.33 | dankolb_ | Try asking on the mailing list |
| 15:59.21 | old3h | aye |
| 15:59.31 | old3h | im new |
| 15:59.33 | old3h | :> |
| 15:59.54 | old3h | rying to get opengl accleration working on redhat |
| 16:00.18 | old3h | nvidia rpms errors out on me |
| 16:00.29 | old3h | and then X wont run |
| 16:00.49 | dankolb_ | Yeah, I know. |
| 16:01.02 | old3h | hehe |
| 16:01.20 | old3h | u were here before |
| 16:01.21 | old3h | :) |
| 16:01.44 | old3h | aye |
| 16:01.46 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 16:01.46 | old3h | i guessed |
| 16:01.49 | old3h | :> |
| 16:01.58 | old3h | how long u been a linux peep? |
| 16:02.21 | old3h | i been trying a few days now :> |
| 16:03.00 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 16:03.03 | dankolb_ | *thinks* |
| 16:03.07 | dankolb_ | 1996 it would have been |
| 16:03.39 | old3h | cor an expert |
| 16:03.41 | old3h | :> |
| 16:03.53 | dankolb_ | Semi :) |
| 16:04.00 | old3h | great |
| 16:04.09 | dankolb_ | To be honest, I'm becoming more of a *BSD person |
| 16:04.24 | old3h | <-- ignorant |
| 16:04.29 | old3h | whats the difference? |
| 16:04.33 | old3h | eek |
| 16:04.44 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 16:04.58 | dankolb_ | Quite a lot. |
| 16:05.02 | old3h | oh |
| 16:05.05 | dankolb_ | Apart from different politics |
| 16:05.09 | old3h | runs the same software? |
| 16:05.13 | dankolb_ | Pretty much |
| 16:05.18 | old3h | compatible? |
| 16:05.30 | old3h | do u have to recompile for bsd? |
| 16:05.51 | dankolb_ | There exist binary compatibility layers, but recompilation is the best way |
| 16:05.59 | dankolb_ | Fortunately, this is really easy, as there exist Ports |
| 16:06.05 | old3h | i thought as much |
| 16:06.13 | old3h | :> |
| 16:06.22 | dankolb_ | These pull down the software, apply patches, compile it up. Also takes care of any dependencies |
| 16:06.23 | old3h | <-- windpoos xpert |
| 16:06.38 | old3h | :> |
| 16:07.13 | dankolb_ | I'm using Windows 2000 on one of my work serveres |
| 16:07.15 | dankolb_ | *servers |
| 16:07.20 | old3h | lol |
| 16:07.29 | old3h | fraudian slip |
| 16:07.31 | old3h | ! |
| 16:07.41 | old3h | didnt u mean siv? |
| 16:07.48 | old3h | as it lets so much thru |
| 16:07.51 | old3h | :> |
| 16:07.58 | old3h | siv'er even |
| 16:08.02 | old3h | oops |
| 16:08.06 | old3h | puns apart |
| 16:08.21 | old3h | i would really like to develop some linux skills |
| 16:08.27 | old3h | very difficult |
| 16:08.32 | dankolb_ | Not Freudian. There wasn't anything related to sex in my statement |
| 16:08.51 | old3h | after working for microsoft for a couple of years |
| 16:08.57 | old3h | i feel |
| 16:09.05 | old3h | indoctinated |
| 16:09.13 | dankolb_ | Heh. Unix skills aren't that difficult to get |
| 16:09.15 | old3h | and its all seems a world apart |
| 16:09.24 | old3h | aye |
| 16:09.29 | old3h | i'll get it |
| 16:09.43 | dankolb_ | It does, but you just need to keep working on it |
| 16:09.58 | old3h | im keen to be able to be able to choose something other than windows |
| 16:10.02 | dankolb_ | If you can, get hold of some 'old-school' Unix teaching guides |
| 16:10.19 | old3h | well |
| 16:10.29 | old3h | thats how i got good with windows |
| 16:10.47 | old3h | really wanted to be able to tinker and fix all the problems it throws at users |
| 16:11.05 | old3h | and i developed to a stage where i now have my own i.t compnay |
| 16:11.16 | old3h | windows based support |
| 16:11.26 | old3h | but im keen to develop all aspects |
| 16:11.30 | dankolb_ | Yeah. |
| 16:11.50 | dankolb_ | I got started with Linux because I wanted to learn Unix, and a friend gave me a copy of Linux |
| 16:11.59 | old3h | yeh |
| 16:12.35 | dankolb_ | So I did have to install Linux, but I got a guide with it. |
| 16:12.50 | old3h | i am looking into rounding up skillz for playing games on linux |
| 16:12.59 | dankolb_ | And I think it was better for me coming at it by saying 'it's Unix; I want to learn Unix', rather than specifically Linux |
| 16:13.16 | old3h | so i can offer much cheaper machines for clients |
| 16:13.45 | old3h | im interested in linux now |
| 16:13.52 | old3h | i see a market |
| 16:14.21 | old3h | but im an enthusiastic about all computers |
| 16:14.30 | old3h | im a geek im afraid |
| 16:14.41 | old3h | ahhhh |
| 16:14.42 | dankolb_ | Ah, but you can get *BSD, too. And Solaris 8 (for x86) is available for free licence on < 8-CPU machines |
| 16:14.43 | old3h | it burns |
| 16:14.48 | dankolb_ | We're all geeks here :) |
| 16:14.55 | old3h | oooh cool |
| 16:15.06 | old3h | did u see the specks of my machine |
| 16:15.10 | old3h | im a pro geek |
| 16:15.15 | old3h | lol |
| 16:15.25 | old3h | 9 Operating System8 (3 Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 1 (5.1 - 2600)8 ) |
| 16:15.25 | old3h | 9 Uptime8 (3 2days 6hrs 54mins 16secs8 ) 9 Record Uptime8 (3 2days 6hrs 54mins 16secs8 ) |
| 16:15.25 | old3h | 9 Processor8 (3 1-Intel Pentium 4, 2805MHz, 512KB (11% Load)8 ) |
| 16:15.25 | old3h | 9 Memory8 (3 Usage: 287/512MB (56.05%) [|||||||||||---------]8 ) |
| 16:15.25 | old3h | 9 Motherboard8 (3 Abit p4-553-c8 )9 Temperature/Fan8 (3 CPU Temprature is -1°C, and Case Temprature is °C8 ) |
| 16:15.26 | old3h | 9 Display8 (3 1600x1200 32bit 100Hz8 ) 9 Monitor8 (3 Iiyama 22"8 ) |
| 16:15.28 | old3h | 9 Graphics Card8 (3 Radeon 9700 Pro8 ) 9 3DMark Score8 (3 153238 ) |
| 16:15.30 | old3h | 9 Internet8 (3 nilly via Alcatel SpeedTouch USB ADSL PPP @ 576Kb/s for 6h 51m 18s (122.34MB up, 600.98MB down)8 ) |
| 16:15.33 | old3h | 9 Free Space (C:)8 (3 30.98 GB8 ) |
| 16:15.35 | old3h | 9 Free Space (D:)8 (3 23.51 GB8 ) |
| 16:15.37 | old3h | 9 Free Space (F:)8 (3 25.34 GB8 ) |
| 16:15.49 | old3h | <-- freeki geek |
| 16:16.26 | highbury | old3h: I wonder whether the Radeon drivers are available yet for Linux? |
| 16:17.04 | old3h | cool |
| 16:17.19 | old3h | i got a powerbook g4 too |
| 16:17.24 | old3h | with osx |
| 16:17.27 | old3h | :> |
| 16:17.31 | old3h | im a true geek |
| 16:17.36 | highbury | old3h: have you a freezer in your cpu? The temparatures are a bit suspect |
| 16:17.36 | dankolb_ | Cool :) |
| 16:17.38 | old3h | => |
| 16:17.56 | old3h | the temps not right |
| 16:18.00 | dankolb_ | My workstation at work is an Athlon 700 with FreeBSD 4.7 |
| 16:18.05 | old3h | dunno why it says that |
| 16:18.26 | dankolb_ | Also I've got a Dell Poweredge 2550 server (2x 1.133GHz P-IIIs) with Win2000 |
| 16:18.32 | dankolb_ | And a Sun Ultra 10 with Solaris 9 |
| 16:18.38 | old3h | u geek |
| 16:18.56 | highbury | mines, still a dual-pentium 400 with SuSE 8.0, and 147Gb across 3 disks |
| 16:19.03 | old3h | i got a girlfrind who keep my cpu that cold ;) |
| 16:19.10 | old3h | lol |
| 16:19.13 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 16:19.24 | dankolb_ | That was only my work stuff. |
| 16:19.28 | dankolb_ | Well, the Powerbook is my own |
| 16:19.36 | old3h | did i mention my ultra 160 lvd raid? |
| 16:19.38 | old3h | :) |
| 16:19.49 | old3h | im A geek |
| 16:19.52 | old3h | :P |
| 16:19.55 | highbury | ahh, scsi .... a proper machine |
| 16:20.48 | dankolb_ | Hmm. Evidently I should try a different tack. |
| 16:20.48 | dankolb_ | 2x VAXen |
| 16:20.48 | dankolb_ | 1x PDP |
| 16:20.48 | irvined_ | oooh a pdp |
| 16:20.48 | irvined_ | quite fancy one of those |
| 16:20.48 | old3h | lol |
| 16:20.48 | old3h | <--- ignorant |
| 16:20.48 | dankolb_ | (11/83) |
| 16:20.48 | old3h | whats a pdp |
| 16:20.48 | dankolb_ | Ahh. A young'un |
| 16:20.48 | irvined_ | i want to try and get my ahands on an origin2k and make it into a water feature for my livingroom or something |
| 16:20.48 | old3h | come on let me drool |
| 16:20.49 | highbury | I want one with the old Lunar Lander with light-pen gam on it |
| 16:20.49 | dankolb_ | irvined_: NOO |
| 16:20.50 | dankolb_ | Bad irvined_! |
| 16:20.55 | dankolb_ | Don't destroy old computer equipment, unless it doesn't work |
| 16:21.15 | old3h | what about old computer operators like me |
| 16:21.24 | dankolb_ | You should know about old DEC stuff, then |
| 16:21.24 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 16:21.44 | old3h | my memmorys not what it used to be |
| 16:21.54 | irvined_ | i dont in general, i like to keep computers alive as much |
| 16:21.56 | irvined_ | as possible |
| 16:21.59 | old3h | did i meantion my machine has the new 1066 rdram in it |
| 16:22.05 | irvined_ | origin racks look so cool though |
| 16:22.14 | old3h | lol |
| 16:22.30 | dankolb_ | I had a chance to get a Honeywell 316 a long time ago. But that was before I was really interested in old computers |
| 16:23.07 | old3h | hehe im very old |
| 16:23.33 | old3h | i probably have had every home pc and console right upto xbox |
| 16:23.39 | old3h | lol |
| 16:23.57 | old3h | but im resisting ps2 |
| 16:24.02 | old3h | lo |
| 16:24.04 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 16:24.06 | old3h | lol |
| 16:26.49 | old3h | so dan |
| 16:26.55 | dankolb_ | Yes, old3h |
| 16:26.58 | old3h | u goto these gllug meetings? |
| 16:27.03 | old3h | aye im scott btw |
| 16:27.23 | dankolb_ | Ah. I go to gllug meeting, yes. |
| 16:27.27 | old3h | infact does ne 1 goto them |
| 16:27.31 | old3h | great |
| 16:27.38 | dankolb_ | Started going a few months ago, afer being on the list a couple of years :) |
| 16:27.45 | old3h | u dont find windows users doing them sorta things |
| 16:28.00 | old3h | hehe |
| 16:28.22 | old3h | i remmber getting an amiga 1000 in the late 80's |
| 16:28.53 | dankolb_ | Yeah. I have an A500 in my cupboard |
| 16:28.54 | old3h | i used to got loads meets |
| 16:29.00 | old3h | lol |
| 16:29.10 | old3h | a1000 was the best looking machine ever |
| 16:29.18 | old3h | and when u took it to bits |
| 16:29.25 | old3h | look on the inside of the cover |
| 16:29.35 | old3h | it had signitures from jeff minter |
| 16:29.41 | old3h | and all the works peepl |
| 16:29.53 | old3h | even jeffs dog had a paw print in there |
| 16:30.02 | old3h | which was so cool |
| 16:30.10 | old3h | <--- im a real geek innnit |
| 16:30.19 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 16:30.38 | old3h | pity i blew mine up |
| 16:30.53 | old3h | making a 20 gig a500 hdd work with it |
| 16:30.58 | old3h | hhehehe |
| 16:31.10 | old3h | <-- me learnt a lesson |
| 16:31.42 | old3h | :> |
| 16:31.52 | old3h | my mum killed me |
| 16:31.54 | old3h | :> |
| 16:32.10 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 16:32.23 | old3h | cost like £1000 |
| 16:32.32 | old3h | and i broke it |
| 16:32.40 | old3h | and my brother told me mum |
| 16:32.48 | dankolb_ | Oops |
| 16:32.57 | old3h | so lets say she wasnt pleased |
| 16:33.04 | dankolb_ | I'm not surprised |
| 16:33.11 | old3h | hehe |
| 16:33.18 | old3h | i was young |
| 16:33.23 | old3h | :) |
| 16:34.06 | dankolb_ | When I were a lad... |
| 16:34.41 | old3h | aye |
| 16:34.54 | old3h | i still got the marks |
| 16:34.57 | old3h | :> |
| 16:35.48 | resudaed | has anyone in here ever configured squid? |
| 16:36.27 | dankolb_ | Nope. |
| 16:36.36 | dankolb_ | The one time I used it, it 'just worked' |
| 16:37.09 | resudaed | it keeps returning access denied |
| 16:39.27 | dankolb_ | Hm. |
| 16:42.38 | old3h | o |
| 16:42.40 | old3h | ok |
| 16:42.51 | old3h | i got uni and work tommorrow |
| 16:43.00 | old3h | im gonna have to get some sleep |
| 16:43.05 | old3h | speak to u laters |
| 16:43.08 | dankolb_ | Laters |
| 16:43.09 | old3h | :> |
| 16:43.14 | old3h | nice meeting ya |
| 16:43.19 | old3h | nighty night |
| 16:43.22 | dankolb_ | You too |
| 16:43.22 | dankolb_ | nn |
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| 17:41.26 | Tarragon | It's that chocolate time again. |
| 17:42.17 | dankolb_ | Mmm |
| 17:44.43 | Tarragon | The joys of no sleep and chocolate/coffee overdoses. Right time for some serious gaming. Be back in a couple of hours. |
| 17:44.58 | dankolb_ | Have fun. |
| 17:45.02 | dankolb_ | See you in the morning, probably |
| 17:45.03 | dankolb_ | 'night |
| 17:45.32 | Tarragon | Manic miner here I come... |
| 17:45.58 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 17:46.07 | dankolb_ | Sounds an old game |
| 17:46.10 | dankolb_ | Or old-school |
| 17:46.30 | Tarragon | Actually I have just found Zzoom - the hours I wasted on a Spectrum. I wonder... |
| 17:46.40 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 17:47.13 | Tarragon | It works :-) Thats tonight sorted then. |
| 17:47.39 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 17:58.51 | *** join/#gllug TheNut (~matthew@pc-80-192-220-147-nm.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:31.59 | highbury | Tarragon: did you get the Uplink extras cd? |