| 01:21.54 | Tarragon | highbury: Weird thing that - I don't know. Yes they sent me a CD, Yes it is different from the main game one I have. Trouble is hardly any difference. Bonus disk is meant to have histories and earlier versions and I cannot find that. I think they have sent me a more recent copy of the main disk. i will email them. |
| 01:23.26 | SpudUAway | It's not a game, it seems to be a way of life! |
| 01:37.41 | *** join/#gllug Korenwolf (~mark@guardrodent.korenwolf.net) |
| 01:39.32 | Tarragon | It is. But they could have so easily hidden the bonus stuff on the CD that it maybe the proper disc. |
| 01:59.01 | Tarragon | They have replied already. No I do not have the bonus CD :-( |
| 02:12.55 | highbury | heh |
| 02:13.21 | highbury | why don't they just let people download the extras |
| 02:19.51 | Tarragon | The extras are all down-loadable on the site. The bonus CD (re-ordered) is the history only |
| 02:29.57 | SpudUAway | +Mmmm, breakfast. Pancakes, maple syrup and a banana, pear, and the Mars bar. |
| 02:30.12 | SpudUAway | It's a balanced diet it tell you! |
| 02:30.24 | SpudUAway | It's piled on a very small plate. |
| 02:33.56 | dank_work | Morning |
| 02:35.12 | SpudUAway | Hi. |
| 02:35.58 | dank_work | Will be back later. Hopefully :) |
| 02:36.18 | SpudUAway | Pah, collaborator! |
| 02:36.25 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
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| 04:01.21 | murb | hi |
| 04:01.30 | irvined_ | morning |
| 04:01.49 | irvined_ | slept in again today., |
| 04:02.13 | SpudUAway | Does the LPI have any standing in the UK? Would anyone be interested in LPI certification in the UK? |
| 04:02.52 | irvined_ | Not sure, i asked about it and nobody really knew, so i took that to be a no. |
| 04:03.11 | irvined_ | But i think its possibly ebcause so few people have them nobody really has any experience of dealing with them |
| 04:05.15 | SpudUAway | Hmm, there is much I don't understand about the whole certification thing. It's something I pretty much stopped bothering about after 10M. |
| 04:08.08 | skugg | "10M"? what's that? |
| 04:10.47 | Ol3ha5l33p | lo colin |
| 04:10.51 | Ol3ha5l33p | u awake |
| 04:11.05 | SpudUAway | 10 Metre swimming certificate |
| 04:11.17 | Old3hawake | lol |
| 04:11.27 | Old3hawake | i have trouble in a the bath |
| 04:11.50 | skugg | SpudUAway, ah, I see. haven't got any of those. got more 25M ones than I can carry though... |
| 04:11.54 | SpudULike | Hmm, not sure we want to know. |
| 04:12.43 | SpudULike | Used? Once learnt, never forgotten, surely? |
| 04:13.56 | SpudULike | Old3hawake: Thought you were out at Uni today? Or is it still too early? |
| 04:13.59 | SpudULike | ;-) |
| 04:14.33 | skugg | SpudULike, well, I don't swim competitions anymore... hence "used" |
| 04:15.03 | SpudULike | Skugg: What RH experience have you? Old3hawake was trying to set up nVidea drivers. |
| 04:15.10 | irvined_ | right, im off to london. see you later |
| 04:15.44 | Old3hawake | i gave uni a miss |
| 04:15.47 | Old3hawake | lol |
| 04:16.05 | SpudULike | Won't they miss you? |
| 04:16.10 | Old3hawake | aye |
| 04:16.12 | Old3hawake | :> |
| 04:16.24 | Old3hawake | i'll get a bollocking |
| 04:16.27 | Old3hawake | lol |
| 04:16.27 | SpudULike | What is it you're, err, not doing at uni? |
| 04:16.37 | Old3hawake | lol |
| 04:16.41 | Old3hawake | apparently |
| 04:16.45 | Old3hawake | im not doing much |
| 04:16.49 | Old3hawake | :> |
| 04:17.06 | SpudULike | OK, another way, what should you be doing at uni? |
| 04:17.23 | Old3hawake | Buisness degree thinggummy doodar |
| 04:17.30 | Old3hawake | :> |
| 04:17.43 | skugg | SpudULike, I spent weeks trying to install redhat5 when it was out. managed, but failed to use it. never tried it since. |
| 04:17.46 | SpudULike | That's a bit like media studies in'it? |
| 04:17.53 | Old3hawake | lol |
| 04:18.13 | SpudULike | skugg: OK, never mind. |
| 04:18.20 | Old3hawake | no its like learning about buisness |
| 04:18.23 | Old3hawake | hehe |
| 04:18.42 | Old3hawake | its going really well though |
| 04:19.16 | Old3hawake | much better than my redhat 8 and nvidia drivers |
| 04:19.19 | Old3hawake | :> |
| 04:23.53 | SpudULike | Have you tried asking in irc.xiph.org #quakeforge |
| 04:24.24 | Old3hawake | no |
| 04:25.07 | SpudULike | Ah, well, a quick google on my part has brought up this irc channel, they may know more. |
| 04:26.10 | Old3hawake | ok will ask |
| 04:27.27 | SpudULike | Not really sure what quakeforge is all about, have a look at their website before pestering them tho' - http://www.quakeforge.net/about.php |
| 04:27.38 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@beryllium.eu.sun.com) |
| 04:28.28 | Old3hawake | quake hackers |
| 04:29.41 | SpudULike | It seems to be an Open Source Quake thing, so some are bound to be Linux hackers. |
| 04:30.12 | Old3hawake | i went to there channel |
| 04:30.23 | Old3hawake | thier |
| 04:30.28 | Old3hawake | hehe |
| 04:30.53 | Old3hawake | viamently anti quake3 |
| 04:30.56 | Old3hawake | lol |
| 04:31.12 | Old3hawake | but im sure they can help with opengl |
| 04:31.30 | SpudULike | But you'll need OpenGL running, so you can play Quakeforge! |
| 04:31.52 | Old3hawake | yes |
| 04:32.09 | Old3hawake | i did notice the opengl stull |
| 04:32.11 | Old3hawake | i did notice the opengl stul |
| 04:32.13 | Old3hawake | i did notice the opengl stuff |
| 04:32.19 | Old3hawake | so i will persue it |
| 04:32.56 | SpudULike | lists.quakeforge.net/list-archives/quakeforge-users/ 2002-October/000248.html |
| 04:34.40 | SpudULike | http://new.newsland.it/nr/article/linux.redhat.misc/5192.html |
| 04:35.09 | Old3hawake | looking |
| 04:41.14 | SpudULike | In what way didn't you get on with Mandrake? |
| 04:42.14 | Old3hawake | just the same problem |
| 04:42.20 | Old3hawake | i like rh much better though |
| 04:43.47 | SpudULike | I haven't touched RH for so long! Does RH, conveniently support 3D? Anyone know? |
| 04:44.06 | SpudULike | Do you know what version of X you installed? |
| 04:45.44 | SpudULike | Old3hawake: Out of interest, what does a 'locate XF86Config' command bring up? |
| 04:46.20 | Old3hawake | x er |
| 04:46.23 | Old3hawake | no idea |
| 04:46.29 | Old3hawake | 4.2? |
| 04:46.37 | Old3hawake | 4.0.2 |
| 04:46.40 | Old3hawake | 4.2.2 |
| 04:46.41 | Old3hawake | ? |
| 04:46.43 | Old3hawake | lol |
| 04:46.45 | Old3hawake | unsure |
| 04:46.57 | SpudULike | Apparently |
| 04:46.58 | Old3hawake | linux box is not up and running now |
| 04:47.12 | Old3hawake | need to goto work in 5 mins |
| 04:47.14 | Old3hawake | :( |
| 04:47.32 | SpudULike | Needed to go to Uni 3 hours ago, but you didn't! |
| 04:47.35 | SpudULike | ;-) |
| 04:47.49 | Old3hawake | eeek |
| 04:47.54 | Old3hawake | dont remind me |
| 04:47.56 | Old3hawake | :) |
| 04:48.20 | SpudULike | Try that 'locate' command from a commandline. You may have more than one XF86Config file! |
| 04:48.37 | Old3hawake | ok will try that later |
| 04:48.43 | Old3hawake | i have to get out the door now |
| 04:48.46 | SpudULike | Good stuff. |
| 04:48.49 | Old3hawake | catch u later colin |
| 04:48.54 | Old3hawake | :> |
| 04:48.55 | SpudULike | BBFN. |
| 04:49.00 | Old3hawake | we should meet up |
| 04:49.10 | Old3hawake | and i can give u all the files u need for quake |
| 04:49.13 | SpudULike | 7th December sounds good! |
| 04:49.21 | Old3hawake | and u can help me with this |
| 04:49.27 | Old3hawake | :> |
| 04:49.46 | SpudULike | Much better if you're able to help yourself! |
| 04:50.01 | SpudULike | Err, so Ivan would have said. |
| 04:50.09 | highbury | can anybody get to www.natwest.com? |
| 04:50.24 | Old3hawake | yes |
| 04:50.26 | Old3hawake | no probs |
| 04:51.20 | highbury | hmmm, looks like I've got a dns problem :-/ |
| 04:51.36 | SpudULike | Got a JavaScript pop-up - "We a testing Netscape 6 support..." |
| 04:51.41 | Old3hawake | i got a cream for that !!! |
| 04:52.01 | Old3hawake | clears up a nasty dns like DAT |
| 04:52.05 | SpudULike | Nah, JavaScript needs acid! |
| 04:52.05 | Old3hawake | :? |
| 04:52.08 | Old3hawake | :> |
| 04:52.13 | Old3hawake | oh |
| 04:52.24 | Old3hawake | me offers some pennicillin |
| 04:53.04 | highbury | oy Old3hawake! STop splitting your comments across so many lines! |
| 04:53.31 | Old3hawake | lol |
| 04:53.43 | highbury | hmm... natwest.com exists but not www.natwest.com, Old3hawake are you sure? |
| 04:54.16 | SpudULike | highbury: Its come up for me. |
| 04:54.34 | SpudULike | Hence the comment about their JavaScript. |
| 04:54.36 | Old3hawake | see it works on my windpoo box |
| 04:55.14 | SpudULike | Old3hawake: No. Their poor site ONLY runs on your windpoo. |
| 04:55.47 | Old3hawake | dats what i meant |
| 04:55.49 | Old3hawake | :> |
| 04:56.14 | SpudULike | OK, I gotta go, chat later. |
| 04:56.14 | Old3haw3h | catch joo later |
| 05:00.11 | Leeds | highbury: I get the same as SpudUAway |
| 05:42.48 | dank_work | Boo |
| 05:42.58 | SpudUAway | hiss |
| 05:44.00 | dank_work | Yes. 228 minutes for a Collaboration isntall (not including OS) |
| 05:44.16 | dank_work | Although about 10 minutes were waiting for Microsoft Windows Update to work (and it didn't) |
| 05:44.24 | SpudUAway | And what is Collaboration? |
| 05:44.42 | dank_work | Causeway Collaboration |
| 05:44.54 | dank_work | A document manglement / workflow thing. |
| 05:45.05 | SpudUAway | Ah, workflow. |
| 05:45.48 | dank_work | Causeway Collaboration is a 'next generation' collaborative solution for enterprise intranets, online construction communities, departmental solutions, project management, and individual task management. |
| 05:46.33 | eye69 | "Collaboration" sounds more like some tool for terrorists. |
| 05:46.41 | dank_work | It probably is :) |
| 05:47.03 | SpudUAway | You know of any workflow products for Linux? |
| 05:47.18 | dank_work | Nope. |
| 05:47.33 | SpudUAway | Would there be a need, do you think? |
| 05:47.49 | dank_work | Probably not enough to make it worthwhile. |
| 05:48.13 | dank_work | If you need one, then by all means write one. But it's not worth writing one solely for other people to use |
| 05:48.30 | dank_work | BTW, remember there was a thread on Gllug about Gantt charts? |
| 05:48.47 | SpudUAway | Bad news for Plexus Workflo then! |
| 05:49.06 | SpudUAway | I don't read the ml! |
| 05:49.13 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 05:49.16 | dank_work | :) |
| 05:50.17 | SpudUAway | I've got no idea about how workflow products work, or how people use them. At what size of group do you think they become useful? |
| 05:52.51 | highbury | can you guys ping www.natwest.com ? |
| 05:55.01 | dank_work | SpudUAway: Not sure |
| 05:55.02 | SpudUAway | colin@mine:~> ping www.natwest.com |
| 05:55.02 | SpudUAway | PING www.natwest.com (155.136.219.110) from 80.193.219.24 : 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 05:55.13 | dank_work | No ping |
| 05:55.18 | SpudUAway | highbury: Doesn't seem to be doing very much! |
| 05:55.32 | SpudUAway | But I can still go to the web page! |
| 05:56.00 | highbury | hmmm, seems my config is pickier about things |
| 05:56.00 | dank_work | Firewalled |
| 05:56.25 | SpudUAway | May even be a BY cache, for that matter. |
| 06:01.29 | dank_work | Yeah. The website is still accessible, but they block pings at their firewall |
| 06:03.47 | highbury | oh well, I have to fill in some expenses, so I have to switch back to windows for a short while, catch you guys later |
| 06:05.03 | highbury | hmmm. I can now nslookup www.natwest.com .... must have been my ISP's DNS problem |
| 06:05.14 | dank_work | WINE! |
| 06:07.04 | Leeds | BEER! |
| 06:07.30 | SpudUAway | Vodka! |
| 06:09.42 | dank_work | Beer. Yes. I got given a 24-pack of beer yesterday. |
| 06:11.32 | Leeds | stubbies? |
| 06:13.14 | SpudUAway | I still have a bottle of Korenwolf in the fridge. |
| 06:13.34 | dank_work | Grolsch, bottled |
| 06:13.48 | Leeds | nice |
| 06:16.14 | SpudUAway | Sorry to swear, but, Windows 2000. Does this feature dial up modem support built in, like W98.? |
| 06:20.31 | dank_work | Yes |
| 06:20.56 | SpudUAway | Ta. |
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| 06:43.02 | formi | hello |
| 06:43.03 | SpudUAway | Formi, how are you. |
| 06:43.25 | formi | recovering from a visit to the dentist |
| 06:43.44 | SpudUAway | Check Up or work? |
| 06:44.08 | formi | one of my fillings came off |
| 06:44.27 | formi | and the guy recons I need some other work |
| 06:44.36 | SpudUAway | Ah, but you dealt with it quickly, so it's probably not too bad. |
| 06:45.03 | SpudUAway | They always do. But can you trust them any more that car mechanics??? |
| 06:45.26 | SpudUAway | s/that/than |
| 06:45.33 | formi | nope i've been patched up |
| 06:45.43 | formi | temporarily |
| 06:46.00 | formi | cause on saturday im off to Prague |
| 06:46.11 | formi | so no time to "do" it |
| 06:46.43 | SpudUAway | Kewl. Keeping them in or out of EC? |
| 06:47.24 | formi | ill be too busy to go to the dentist in prague |
| 06:48.09 | SpudUAway | What ya' doing there then????? |
| 06:48.24 | SpudUAway | Wrong time of year for a holiday. |
| 06:49.06 | formi | Im going with Simon for some work related thing |
| 06:49.26 | formi | can't really say what we will be doing |
| 06:51.40 | agk | Hmmm. The next GLLUG meeting clashes with a GENERATIVE PSYCHOGEOGRAPHICAL Experiment http://www.socialfiction.org/psychogeography/dork.htm |
| 06:53.42 | formi | i had a good laugh with the "german ripper" with a medical license |
| 06:55.34 | formi | last night and the usual english toffs saying it wasn't a good idea |
| 07:00.04 | SpudUAway | Sorry, phone, gotta go. Laters. |
| 07:00.06 | *** part/#gllug Korenwolf (~mark@guardrodent.korenwolf.net) |
| 07:05.25 | formi | ibot: seen leeds |
| 07:05.26 | | leeds is currently on #gllug (2h 37m 33s) #handhelds.org (2h 37m 33s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 51m 38s |
| 07:05.48 | Leeds | formi? |
| 07:05.49 | formi | ibot: is leeds working? |
| 07:05.50 | | formi: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 07:06.07 | formi | leeds |
| 07:06.14 | Leeds | nothing to tell you... |
| 07:06.20 | formi | about what we talked about the other day |
| 07:06.23 | Leeds | I didn't chase Danese yet... |
| 07:06.46 | Leeds | you got any more info? |
| 07:07.15 | formi | the idea seems to be to find somebody independent first and if no one available go for the big guns |
| 07:07.54 | Leeds | independent meaning? |
| 07:08.22 | formi | a bit more of info, it seems to be they want advice especifically on people faking identities |
| 07:08.41 | formi | not in a big company |
| 07:09.21 | formi | even though having ms in the middle is somewhat odd |
| 07:10.13 | Leeds | yeah... |
| 07:10.23 | formi | i tried to contact steve yesterday, gave him ring and he said he would phone back |
| 07:10.34 | formi | he was busy |
| 07:10.39 | Leeds | anyway - I wasn't suggesting Danese as a Sun person, more because she is on the Open Source board and may be able to find someone |
| 07:11.29 | formi | i really wanted somebody to talk directly to simon, so the situation would be clear |
| 07:12.29 | formi | and simon is dragging his heels also |
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| 07:34.23 | dank_work | ibot insult David Damerell |
| 07:34.42 | dank_work | *mutter* Debian bigots |
| 07:34.44 | formi | I must for once agree with ibot |
| 07:34.46 | Leeds | ibot lart also, he |
| 07:34.52 | Leeds | oops |
| 07:34.56 | Leeds | ibot lart David |
| 07:35.22 | Leeds | dank_work: I agree with you |
| 07:35.25 | formi | http://theregister.co.uk/content/4/28226.html |
| 07:35.42 | formi | have you read that one, for once MS was right |
| 07:37.20 | formi | it's about the study of viability of moving the freebsd farm hotmail had to 2000 severs |
| 07:38.24 | dank_work | Yeah. |
| 07:39.15 | formi | did they actually moved away from solaris and fbsd? |
| 07:39.36 | dank_work | The frontend is Win2000 |
| 07:40.26 | formi | i meant the big back end |
| 07:40.29 | dank_work | It seems to me that it's only really Debian users who think that their distro is the one and only True Linux(TM) |
| 07:41.03 | dank_work | I've never really seen a RedHat or Mandrake person saying "Use RedHat", or "Use Mandrake - it'll solve all the world's problems" |
| 07:41.14 | dank_work | I thought the backend was FreeBSD |
| 07:41.36 | Leeds | I say "I use Slackware - but it certainly isn't right for everyone in all situations" |
| 07:41.42 | formi | i've been reading freebsd ngs and the atitude seems similar to the debian guys |
| 07:44.00 | dank_work | Leeds: Yeah. |
| 07:44.51 | dank_work | At least we can see that Slackware isn't everything for everyone. |
| 07:45.07 | dank_work | formi: Yeah, well, there's always a some people that spoil it for the rest. |
| 07:45.26 | dank_work | Unfortunately, almost all the Debian users I know are like that. |
| 07:46.35 | formi | i think they shouldnt be that scared of progressing, many things in bsd could be "made a bit easier" whithout much trouble or impact in the status quo |
| 07:46.42 | murb | dank: are but mandrake and redhat don't have a social contract. |
| 07:47.34 | dank_work | Does the social contract say that the distro users have to promote Debian at every occasion, even when inappropriate? |
| 07:47.40 | formi | i think those 2 are going in completely opposite directions |
| 07:48.52 | formi | mdk has stopped including pine and others, for license reason |
| 07:50.00 | formi | when red hat seems to be more willing to introduce more un-free soft in |
| 07:51.31 | murb | dank: not read it, but probably :), I also didn't read the bit about doing pgp/gpg key signing at every possible moment, debian developers probably have to carry id everywhere as well even when not require by law for gpg signing. |
| 07:55.48 | dank_work | So it seems :-/ |
| 08:25.47 | Tarragon | Is it just me? I seem to have off days which I usually explain away with lack of sleep etc., but does anyone make stupid errors. Today I dismantles two machines - one because of a squeak (ended up being the VCR other side of room had a tape left in) other because I tried to record a CD as a user without permissions |
| 08:26.10 | dank_work | It happens |
| 08:28.13 | Tarragon | Yes but I do seem to make really stupid mistakes at the moment. |
| 08:38.22 | Leeds | Tarragon: getting old? SAD? |
| 08:39.31 | SpudUAway | Getting? |
| 08:41.22 | Leeds | old as in OAP, rather than old as in 'not young' |
| 08:48.03 | dank_work | :) |
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| 08:57.06 | Tarragon | Just remember you are paying national insurance contributions to pay for my pension so I can drink sherry on a thursday. When i was young... |
| 08:59.15 | Leeds | I pretty much assume there'll be no state pension worth speaking of by the time I'd collect one |
| 08:59.48 | Old3h | ello |
| 09:00.01 | dank_work | ello |
| 09:00.04 | Old3h | yay |
| 09:00.09 | Old3h | \o/ |
| 09:00.11 | Old3h | er |
| 09:00.13 | Old3h | no |
| 09:00.17 | Old3h | thats not right |
| 09:00.18 | Leeds | boo |
| 09:00.50 | Old3h | can ne 1 tell me how to stop my current install of red hat from jumping right to xserver? |
| 09:00.51 | Old3h | :) |
| 09:00.57 | Old3h | i know it will |
| 09:01.02 | Old3h | and wanna stop that |
| 09:01.04 | Old3h | :> |
| 09:04.08 | dank_work | Yeah. |
| 09:04.41 | dank_work | Edit /etc/inittab |
| 09:04.46 | dank_work | Change initdefault |
| 09:04.59 | Tarragon | Change the init level |
| 09:05.41 | formi | im having a look at old logs, and i have found 2 really old occurences of the open_ssl error, |
| 09:06.18 | formi | having checked the cert advisory i have found nothing mysterious on /tmp |
| 09:07.28 | formi | what im wondering about is |
| 09:07.35 | Old3h | cheers for the advise |
| 09:07.38 | Old3h | :> |
| 09:07.42 | Old3h | im reloding rh |
| 09:07.47 | Old3h | reloading it |
| 09:07.48 | Old3h | :> |
| 09:07.58 | dank_work | :) |
| 09:08.15 | Old3h | not gonna update the kernal this time |
| 09:08.18 | Old3h | because |
| 09:08.30 | formi | the worm, could anybody exploit it when the firewall only allows certain ports in and out? |
| 09:08.31 | Old3h | i was upgrading on install to .18 |
| 09:08.51 | Old3h | which the nvidia drivers wernt built for |
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| 09:10.04 | SpudUAway | Old3h: Do you mean jumping to 'xserver' during the install? |
| 09:10.10 | phizzedup | no |
| 09:10.16 | phizzedup | lol |
| 09:10.25 | oldeh | :> |
| 09:10.35 | SpudUAway | OK, what they said then. |
| 09:10.45 | oldeh | how do i do that though |
| 09:10.47 | oldeh | im new |
| 09:10.49 | oldeh | :> |
| 09:10.50 | oldeh | lol |
| 09:11.11 | oldeh | i just lost what u wrote when my machine dicoonected |
| 09:11.17 | oldeh | disconected |
| 09:11.19 | oldeh | :/ |
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| 09:13.03 | SpudUAway | When you power up you get a boot manager. I don't know which one it is for RH, but you should be able to stop it and enter a command line. You need to type 'linux init 3'. That will boot the Linux system but stop it starting the xserver. |
| 09:13.31 | oldeh | ok |
| 09:13.41 | oldeh | i think i found it in a menu |
| 09:13.55 | oldeh | it said graphical or text logon |
| 09:14.04 | oldeh | i chose text |
| 09:14.09 | SpudUAway | HOLD ON |
| 09:14.19 | SpudUAway | You're installing NOW? |
| 09:15.55 | oldeh | yeah |
| 09:15.58 | dank_work | Urg. BBC's top ten Britons. |
| 09:16.01 | oldeh | i just reinsatlled |
| 09:16.05 | dank_work | WTF is Diana doing #2? |
| 09:16.14 | dank_work | What did she ever do that was so great? |
| 09:18.53 | skeezor | can anyone give me some advice on which linux distro to get, ive never used linux before, but i DO know computers and programming |
| 09:19.34 | skeezor | who's number 1? |
| 09:19.40 | formi | mandrake skeezor |
| 09:19.49 | dank_work | Brunel |
| 09:19.57 | dank_work | Slackware :) |
| 09:19.57 | skeezor | wonderful, thats what im getting now |
| 09:20.17 | skeezor | thats for when i know wtf im doing. :-) |
| 09:20.22 | SpudUAway | LR's Linux |
| 09:20.25 | formi | i suggest you start by the "user friendly ones" and then choose |
| 09:20.45 | SpudUAway | User Friendly? Mandrake? |
| 09:21.02 | dank_work | Bah. I started off on a 'proper' Linux distro. People these days. Have it so easy. |
| 09:22.11 | skeezor | well, im getting mandrake and slackware atm, i have a spare computer to play around with, so it doesnt matter how much i screw it up |
| 09:22.26 | dank_work | Stick with Slackware. It'll reward you more in the longrun |
| 09:22.59 | skeezor | well, i wanted something customisable, but i need to learn tha basics forst |
| 09:23.06 | skeezor | fisrt* |
| 09:23.19 | skeezor | first* (need to stop drinking so early in the day) |
| 09:23.23 | Leeds | Slackware is a great way to learn the basics if you're experienced with computers and programming |
| 09:23.24 | dank_work | Why does Diana get a 5 for Bravery? |
| 09:23.40 | skeezor | cause she didnt shut her eyes when the car hit the post? |
| 09:23.45 | Leeds | she died quietly? |
| 09:24.01 | dank_work | Leeds: You don't need to be experienced with programming |
| 09:24.14 | skeezor | well, i am so that makes no real odds. |
| 09:24.17 | formi | when i started playing with linux, you had floppies and tgz and no automatic installing routines |
| 09:24.31 | formi | im glad i don't have to do it anymore |
| 09:24.46 | Leeds | dank_work: I don't mean you have to know how to program - I meant more generally, that a programmer is likely to be okay with Slackware, as opposed to a point-and-drool user |
| 09:25.26 | TheNut | No-one likes slackware except the people who make it |
| 09:25.33 | skeezor | well i like to think i am above the total luser-friendly software |
| 09:25.58 | skeezor | whats everyone running atm? |
| 09:26.08 | Leeds | Slackware :-) and Solaris... |
| 09:26.10 | dank_work | No-one likes Debian except for people who are enamoured with it |
| 09:26.13 | dank_work | FreeBSD |
| 09:26.21 | dank_work | + Win2k + Solaris + MacOS X |
| 09:26.36 | oldeh | osx - windpoos xp and redhat 8 |
| 09:26.52 | TheNut | no-one likes debian except the people who use it |
| 09:27.06 | skeezor | so i've gathered from some of the boards |
| 09:27.21 | TheNut | And of the people who use it, there are no exceptions. |
| 09:27.53 | dank_work | Yeah. A lot are distro-bigots |
| 09:28.40 | skeezor | cause im just trying to get a feel of what would be right for me, and needed a place to start |
| 09:28.56 | skeezor | i DONT want a windoze clone |
| 09:28.57 | formi | mdk red brat and freebsd |
| 09:29.00 | Leeds | skeezor: what do you want? |
| 09:29.13 | Leeds | to you want to play, to learn, and/or to use? |
| 09:29.25 | Leeds | (play as in play with the system, not play games) |
| 09:30.02 | skeezor | mainly to learn, i have my own businss, and need a decent server OS and to be able to say to my customers, yes i can sort you out with linux |
| 09:30.17 | Tarragon | I like Debian but would not recommend it for first install. |
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| 09:31.31 | Leeds | I'd say Slackware sounds about right then... RedHat and SuSE are both 'easy' server/workstation things, Mandrake is more workstation-oriented, and (IMO) Debian just has too much baggage |
| 09:31.47 | Tarragon | Mandrake is good if you want to play around on desktop, SuSE if you want everything in one neat working package, RH if you want corp support, Slackware if you are WEIRD! |
| 09:32.42 | Tarragon | Slackware honestly! next you will be saying you like vi. |
| 09:32.50 | skeezor | atm i have slacware, mandrake and SuSE downloading so i'll have a play with them all. (joys of broadband) |
| 09:33.02 | Leeds | Tarragon: I live in vim |
| 09:33.27 | SpudUAway | Itchy! |
| 09:33.29 | Tarragon | Oh not downloading SuSE? did not think they did a donloadable version |
| 09:33.35 | Leeds | Slackware is the easiest to play with, because it's less complex, and I find it the easiest to build my own style of system on top of |
| 09:34.06 | skeezor | well, thats what i thought was best for me too. |
| 09:34.33 | skeezor | you can download the component parts to your hard drive, but cant get an iso |
| 09:34.41 | Tarragon | To my shame I have not installed Slack for over a year so I am not the right person ever to say what and what not it can do. |
| 09:35.05 | Leeds | although, to be fair, I've not really used any Linux except Slack for a while either... |
| 09:35.24 | Tarragon | Ha - Bigot! |
| 09:35.29 | skeezor | well, if its no good, ill come back and tell you so. |
| 09:35.33 | skeezor | :-) |
| 09:35.38 | Tarragon | Hold on you know RH |
| 09:36.09 | skeezor | nope |
| 09:36.13 | Leeds | talking to me? |
| 09:36.20 | Tarragon | This may sound a daft question but how will you know if it is no good? |
| 09:36.45 | Tarragon | Leeds; Yes you know RH (well rebadged as Sun) :-) |
| 09:36.45 | skeezor | compared to the other distros im getting |
| 09:37.06 | Leeds | Tarragon: :-) true... I've used that a bit - but I'm a Solaris guy at work, not a Linux guy |
| 09:37.23 | Tarragon | Doesnt that mean loading them all on for a short amount of time. |
| 09:38.02 | skeezor | prolly not at the same time, but yeah. |
| 09:38.24 | Tarragon | I normally find that I load on a distro and love it for the first day because of all the toys, hate it for the next two weeks because they have changed everything I know then learn to like it after that. |
| 09:39.15 | skeezor | then i'll have to give them all a trial period i suppose, i'll stick one on each computer |
| 09:40.54 | skeezor | anyway, thanks for the advice, no doubt ill be back soon enough |
| 09:40.57 | Leeds | have you used any UNIX before? |
| 09:40.57 | Tarragon | Mind you, after the distro is sorted you can worry about the GUI, Some here probably use KDE or Gnome but Blackbox is the one true way with xmtoolbar menus. ;-) |
| 09:41.08 | Leeds | Afterstep with a BeOS-like theme! |
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| 09:41.23 | Leeds | too late... |
| 09:41.31 | Tarragon | :-) |
| 09:41.50 | Leeds | if he's not used UNIX, even if he is experienced with computers and programming, he's possibly going to have a shock |
| 09:49.07 | Tarragon | Most of the recent distros are fairly similar to MS products so not too much of a shock on first installing. Only when he has to change config files will he find a difference. If he sticks with a GUI he is sanitised from a lot of it. Good that he wants to learn. |
| 10:08.34 | SpudUAway | Err, how do I check what kernal I'm running? |
| 10:08.50 | formi | uname -r |
| 10:09.04 | SpudUAway | Ta. |
| 10:09.11 | formi | uname -a if you want everything |
| 11:01.04 | dank_work | Food time! See you this evening |
| 11:05.18 | eye69 | Evening |
| 11:05.49 | Tarragon | Evening. |
| 11:07.02 | dank_work | Not that quickly evening :) |
| 11:26.33 | SpudUAway | 21.50 tonight, BBC2, just 10 mins of your time, "Look Around You". V funny. |
| 11:36.30 | Leeds | I'll TiVo it... what is it? |
| 11:41.14 | SpudUAway | V funny, that's what it is! |
| 11:41.47 | SpudUAway | TiVos and the ilk. How many channels can you record at once? |
| 11:43.11 | Leeds | 1 |
| 11:43.13 | Leeds | with Tivo |
| 11:43.48 | Leeds | with Sky+ you can record 1 and watch 1 (both Sky) - with TiVo you can only record and/or watch one Sky cahnnel at once |
| 11:44.33 | Leeds | comes down to number of tuners (and LNBs for Sky) |
| 11:45.29 | SpudUAway | Or decoders for cable. |
| 11:45.43 | Leeds | yup |
| 11:45.54 | SpudUAway | Hmm, so you still need to know in advance what channel to leave it on to. |
| 11:49.54 | Leeds | nope |
| 11:49.58 | Leeds | it changes channel for you |
| 11:50.09 | Leeds | otherwise it would be pretty useless |
| 11:50.15 | SpudUAway | But only if you know in advance what you want. |
| 11:50.42 | Leeds | what? |
| 11:51.18 | SpudUAway | You have to program it to record something, so it knows to chance channel. |
| 11:51.22 | Leeds | As an example, it will have recorded at least 3 or 4 programs today while I've been at work - for each of them, it will have changed channel on the Sky box before recording |
| 11:52.02 | Leeds | apart from the fact that it will record things by itself, depending on your preferences (which you tell it by thumbing a program up or down), yes |
| 11:52.09 | Leeds | how else is it possibly going to work? |
| 11:53.55 | murb | Leeds: I though your working at home thing was to change the channel :), or did you have to meet with co workers? |
| 11:53.57 | SpudUAway | Pipe dream I had. Thought it might just record everything for a given number of channels, so it was always available. Kind of what HomeChoice offer. I suspect that's where half the idea came from. |
| 11:54.25 | murb | Spuduaway: think of all the crap you would record. |
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| 11:55.37 | Leeds | one of the features in the software upgrade released early this year was that it will start recording a program from the buffer, which really shocked me the first time it happened - I hit record during a program and it started recording 15 minutes back! |
| 11:56.05 | Leeds | also, think of the disk you'd need to record the hundreds of channels - yes, most of it is shit, but people have strange tastes - on Sky |
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| 12:00.34 | Leeds | nah, I'll be back in 20 mins :-) |
| 12:21.11 | eye69 | skugg: You there? |
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| 12:37.02 | skugg | eye69, yes |
| 12:37.29 | eye69 | skugg: Is there a way of making openbox display a small windowlist when alt-tabbing? |
| 12:37.50 | skugg | eye69, i don't know. I miss that too, but haven't looked into it. |
| 12:38.03 | skugg | i'll ask someone I know just now that you mentioned it. |
| 12:38.06 | skugg | hold on... |
| 12:38.18 | eye69 | I guess I could look at the tasklist at the bottom, but I'm too used to having it. :) |
| 12:44.49 | skugg | eye69, ah, I have the menu completely removed, so i didn't even know it showed up there... |
| 12:45.11 | murb | gllug.org.uk is giving zope errors for the announcement of the next meeting.. |
| 12:45.14 | skugg | i've basically just taken to not use more than 3 windows in a workspace.. |
| 12:53.30 | skugg | eye69, i don't find anything about it. the person i was going to ask had just left |
| 12:53.39 | skugg | remind me later, and I'll have a look |
| 12:53.57 | eye69 | I guess you use stackedcycling? |
| 12:53.59 | skugg | s,ll.*$/ask again/ |
| 12:54.04 | skugg | eye69, yes, I do. |
| 12:57.11 | highbury | SpudUAway: btw. Sky+ will soon be able to record 2 channels simultaneously |
| 13:12.54 | formi | hey what's the sequence needed to finish the writing of an email when you are using mail? |
| 13:13.03 | eye69 | formi: a single dot |
| 13:13.08 | formi | ta |
| 13:13.13 | eye69 | formi: _or_ ^d |
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| 14:08.30 | formi | hehe |
| 14:09.23 | formi | i've just compiled, installed and replaced sendmail with postfix in freebsd |
| 14:09.50 | eye69 | Ok. |
| 14:10.07 | formi | it feels good |
| 14:10.31 | formi | hoped over a few hurdles but got there |
| 14:11.26 | formi | just waiting for the spam test finishing |
| 14:11.58 | eye69 | Postfix is nice (tm). |
| 14:12.31 | formi | well lets say sendmail is not ideal, postfix fares better |
| 14:13.56 | formi | configuration could be easier |
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| 14:58.42 | dankolb | Hi |
| 14:59.21 | eye69 | Hiya |
| 14:59.46 | dankolb | How goes it? |
| 15:09.32 | Leeds | skiing! |
| 15:10.12 | dankolb | Whoosh |
| 15:10.32 | Leeds | the season has started - I like watching it... and therefore my TiVo now has a skiing fixation :-) |
| 15:11.13 | Leeds | fucking sourceforge... is down :-( |
| 15:11.16 | davilion | heh |
| 15:11.22 | davilion | do you ski Leeds? |
| 15:11.29 | Leeds | not for many years |
| 15:12.05 | formi | leeds, do you know how to make pine authenticate against postfix using sasl? |
| 15:12.21 | Leeds | formi: I don't know anything about postfix, but... hang on |
| 15:12.38 | formi | i just need the pine configuration part |
| 15:13.27 | Leeds | you mean for SMTP, right? |
| 15:14.19 | formi | i configured postfix to allow relaying if the poster authenticates via sasl |
| 15:14.34 | formi | and now i need to test it |
| 15:14.44 | davilion | dankolb: i've not been in ages, i learnt to snowboard this summer though |
| 15:14.54 | dankolb | Cool :) |
| 15:15.12 | dankolb | I tried a bit of snowboarding. Can be fun if you don't mind getting your arse wet |
| 15:15.31 | Leeds | formi: so you mean IMAP? |
| 15:15.43 | formi | ive had unlimited fun going down car tracks with just a plastic bag |
| 15:16.10 | formi | leeds, no i just need to authenticate to be able to relay |
| 15:16.17 | Leeds | formi: try putting /secure in the IMAP server specification - so something like {imap.somewhere.com/secure}INBOX |
| 15:16.54 | formi | there is no imap server |
| 15:17.31 | Leeds | then you want to do SASL for SMTP? |
| 15:17.37 | Leeds | hang on... back in a bit |
| 15:18.01 | formi | yes that is what i want |
| 15:19.02 | davilion | dankolb: yeah its not too dificult to get the hang of the basic stuff which was good for me, but you definatly spend more time on your bum than when you ski |
| 15:19.16 | dankolb | Yeah :) |
| 15:19.20 | dankolb | Right. See y'all soon |
| 15:25.06 | Leeds | formi: try just putting /user=<username> after the SMTP server |
| 15:25.39 | formi | ok |
| 15:30.26 | formi | it works |
| 15:30.28 | formi | thanks |
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| 15:44.14 | Jenson | Hi all. |
| 15:44.16 | dankolb | Hey! |
| 15:44.20 | Jenson | Hi dan |
| 15:44.38 | davilion | wb dan |
| 15:44.42 | davilion | hi Jenson |
| 15:44.56 | formi | can somebody expand to me the meaning of the 1 in permission terms of 1777? |
| 15:45.02 | Jenson | Hiya dav |
| 15:45.12 | formi | hi jenson |
| 15:45.17 | dankolb | Yeah. 'man chmod' will do it nicely :) |
| 15:45.22 | Jenson | hi formi |
| 15:45.24 | dankolb | I think it's the SUID bit |
| 15:45.57 | formi | the issue is pine was recommending to set up /var/mail as 1777 |
| 15:46.01 | davilion | hows it going Jenson |
| 15:46.08 | Leeds | ah, not suid on directories |
| 15:46.11 | Leeds | evening, Jenson |
| 15:46.14 | davilion | Jenson: how far are you from Milton Keynes? |
| 15:46.19 | formi | it was drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail 512B Nov 21 19:56 mail |
| 15:46.31 | Jenson | Hi Leeds. |
| 15:46.36 | davilion | in Fact how long does it take to get from london-> milton keynes. |
| 15:46.53 | davilion | Contemplating organising a gllug et all snowball fight# |
| 15:46.56 | formi | so im trying to understand what is the difference in here |
| 15:47.01 | Jenson | I'm about 80 miles from Milton Keynes |
| 15:47.11 | Leeds | London->Milton Keynes? depends on where in London... maybe 30-40 mins from me if the traffic is light enough |
| 15:47.20 | Leeds | snowball fight?!?!? |
| 15:47.39 | Leeds | formi: |
| 15:47.41 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.41 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.41 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.43 | dankolb | Yeah. MK is so far up north.... :) |
| 15:48.15 | davilion | Theres a snowdome in MK, |
| 15:48.18 | davilion | quite a big one apparently |
| 15:48.27 | davilion | ski/snowboarding, and the odd snowball fight |
| 15:48.32 | davilion | theres one in Tamworth which i t] |
| 15:48.43 | dankolb | Ah. Proper snow? |
| 15:48.52 | davilion | s/i t\]/i go to quite a lot/ |
| 15:48.58 | davilion | yeah as real as artificial snow can get |
| 15:49.18 | Jenson | artificial snow looks evil. |
| 15:49.24 | davilion | its not got that real piste feel, and it doesnt taste like real snow, but it is to all intents and purposes it is snow |
| 15:49.39 | dankolb | That's good. |
| 15:49.44 | dankolb | It's not the wire-brush kind, then |
| 15:49.49 | Jenson | It's not like you really want to eat snow anyway. |
| 15:50.04 | davilion | Jenson: no, but im not a very good snowboarder |
| 15:50.23 | davilion | i've not been for a few months, but i was at the stage where i could justabout pull of a 4ft ramp if i didnt concentrate too hard |
| 15:50.29 | dankolb | #gllug ski trip, anyone? |
| 15:50.36 | davilion | I'm game |
| 15:50.46 | dankolb | Cool. |
| 15:50.47 | davilion | geeks and snow go well together |
| 15:50.48 | dankolb | anyone else? |
| 15:51.06 | Leeds | I'm up for it... if not built for it |
| 15:52.15 | dankolb | wb |
| 15:52.21 | Jenson | ty |
| 15:52.42 | dankolb | Good opportunity to learn then :) |
| 15:52.44 | davilion | Jenson: skiing is a lot easier than skating |
| 15:52.48 | Jenson | I'd spend most of the time landing on my ass though |
| 15:52.50 | dankolb | :-) |
| 15:52.51 | davilion | and snowboarding isnt that hard either. |
| 15:53.01 | dankolb | Depends what you're used to. |
| 15:53.11 | Jenson | I don't like skating, the cute steward guys come and ask if you are all right and you feel like an idiot. |
| 15:53.11 | dankolb | Snowboarding takes a lot of getting used to, if you're used to skis |
| 15:53.12 | davilion | Jenson: ahh but the snow is soft (read less hard than concrete) |
| 15:53.30 | davilion | yeah thats true, you balance a lot differently on a board |
| 15:53.34 | davilion | and yo point the wrong way |
| 15:53.38 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 15:54.39 | davilion | and when your board digs in at the edge, you can't break free like you can with ski's so you erm eat snow. |
| 15:54.49 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 15:55.00 | Leeds | skiing is strapping two planks on your feed and falling down a mountain |
| 15:55.06 | dankolb | Or I found that I can start controlling it a bit, but it ends up pointing downhill.... |
| 15:55.09 | Leeds | skiing is fun... |
| 15:55.36 | dankolb | Leeds: That it is, yes. |
| 15:55.53 | Leeds | and messing around in snow is fun even if you don't want to ski :-) |
| 15:55.56 | davilion | i totally humiliated myself (not uncommon) when iw as learning to snowboard, tried a ramp, didnt get enough speed, or rather i got too much, lost bottle and slowed down, then slowed to a near halt going up the ramp, board caught on rubber edge, i fell off ramp, dangled by board, had to summersault off, i felt like a twonkle. |
| 15:56.09 | dankolb | :-) |
| 15:56.15 | dankolb | That often happens when learning, though. |
| 15:56.27 | dankolb | No Jenson. :) |
| 15:56.28 | davilion | heheh |
| 15:56.40 | Leeds | really... *don't* go there |
| 15:56.57 | Jenson | Only dav seems vaguely amused by the idea lol |
| 15:57.00 | dankolb | See. You've scared him off |
| 15:57.07 | davilion | hahah, i have a twisted sense of humor, |
| 15:57.16 | dankolb | Not if it happened to you, you wouldn't |
| 15:57.17 | dankolb | :) |
| 15:57.22 | davilion | anybody got any ideas of cool things i can do to a sun IPC? (Other than burn it) |
| 15:57.24 | davilion | its got debian on it at the moment |
| 15:57.30 | dankolb | Installed SunOS |
| 15:57.53 | dankolb | *Install |
| 15:57.58 | Leeds | prop a door open? |
| 15:58.06 | davilion | dankolb: heh, im not too sure, i tend to find most things amusing, not entirely because of the initial act, but just as soon as it would happen my mind would fill with thoughts of revenge |
| 15:58.21 | Jenson | lol dav I won't try it then |
| 15:58.24 | davilion | Jenson: i got about halfway through reading that and my mind went right to the gutter |
| 15:58.24 | dankolb | :-) |
| 15:58.35 | davilion | i need something cool to do with it, |
| 15:58.45 | dankolb | Your mind? |
| 15:58.47 | Jenson | davilion: you mean your mind wasn't already there? |
| 15:58.51 | dankolb | Or the IPC? |
| 15:59.09 | davilion | i was going to gut it and put a mini pc in it, but too much effort, i still havent made the fishtank out of sparc classic cases yet so i dont want any more cutting up yet |
| 15:59.11 | Jenson | My old phone had an automatic vibrate mode on the secret menu for some reason |
| 15:59.13 | Leeds | who, what? |
| 15:59.32 | davilion | dankolb: the ipc |
| 15:59.42 | davilion | Jenson: Ok so it sunk right into the sewer. |
| 15:59.43 | dankolb | Install a proper distro |
| 15:59.48 | dankolb | :) |
| 15:59.48 | davilion | such as? |
| 15:59.53 | dankolb | Play with NetBSD? |
| 16:00.00 | Leeds | Jenson: does your client beep when someone says your name? |
| 16:00.02 | davilion | too much hassle, i just want coolness |
| 16:00.05 | davilion | heh, |
| 16:00.10 | davilion | mine just speaks when somebody says my name |
| 16:00.13 | davilion | its cool. |
| 16:00.24 | dankolb | davilion davilion davilion davilion davilion davilion davilion davilion |
| 16:00.29 | Leeds | davilion: make it a public Adventure server... |
| 16:00.30 | formi | dank, have you tried fbsd 5.0? |
| 16:00.43 | dankolb | Not yet. |
| 16:00.59 | dankolb | I'll probably stick with 4.7 at work |
| 16:00.59 | davilion | Public adventure? |
| 16:01.19 | Jenson | Leeds: No, at leat if it does I can't here it. I don't think its switched on |
| 16:01.27 | Leeds | get a copy of adventure... make it a login shell |
| 16:01.33 | Jenson | ^hear |
| 16:01.35 | dankolb | xchat doesn't beep |
| 16:01.40 | Leeds | gaim bongs |
| 16:01.58 | Leeds | or rather, pings - it bongs when a friend logs in and out |
| 16:02.06 | dankolb | Ah yes |
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| 16:02.10 | formi | it's just cause i coulnd't make X work |
| 16:02.12 | dankolb | Hi eye69 |
| 16:02.32 | Jenson | I hate things that announce things when I can see. I only like that if no-one is in and I leave it to announce when someone arrives. |
| 16:03.17 | Leeds | well, mine is loud enough that I can hear if someone is talking to me (or about me) from the living room |
| 16:03.30 | Jenson | lol Leeds brilliant |
| 16:03.32 | davilion | yeah, although my pet hate is new windows overwriting my screen, or getting the focus, that really bugs me |
| 16:03.39 | formi | masochist |
| 16:03.48 | dankolb | That can be changed |
| 16:04.02 | Leeds | davilion: I hate that - particularly since it interacts badly with afterstep... |
| 16:04.25 | Jenson | I hate pop-up ads popping up when i don't load the pop-up killer. And I don't realize until I've typed loads and realized I'm not on the right window anymore |
| 16:04.42 | davilion | yeah i managed to get gnome to stop changing focus, but it doesnt stop some new windows overwriting the screen |
| 16:04.47 | davilion | which means i just acn't see what im typing |
| 16:05.01 | Leeds | I haven't seen a pop-up on my own machine for a long long time |
| 16:05.47 | formi | me neither, fluxbox |
| 16:08.29 | Leeds | Jenson: do you use mozilla? |
| 16:08.54 | SpudUAway | dankolb: xchat does beep if you set it. |
| 16:09.11 | dankolb | Hm. I suppose. By default, I think it doesn't, though |
| 16:09.29 | Jenson | Leeds: I'm running Windows.....but the chance to run Linux should be here soon. |
| 16:09.36 | SpudUAway | By default no, it's an option per #room |
| 16:09.37 | dankolb | Run Slackware :) |
| 16:09.40 | Leeds | Jenson: Moz runs on Linux... |
| 16:09.48 | Leeds | ugh! Moz runs on Windows! |
| 16:09.57 | Jenson | Does it. |
| 16:10.00 | dankolb | It does. |
| 16:10.12 | dankolb | Can you be bothered to download it is another matter |
| 16:10.43 | davilion | heh yeah |
| 16:10.44 | davilion | its not small |
| 16:11.06 | Jenson | Well d/ling doesn't involve moving from the computer at least....I'm not actually lazy lol |
| 16:11.19 | dankolb | It's, what, 12Mb? |
| 16:11.21 | Jenson | I dunno where you d/l it from anyway |
| 16:11.29 | Jenson | 12MB ain't bad |
| 16:11.31 | dankolb | www.mozilla.org, suprisingly enough |
| 16:11.56 | Jenson | ty dan, I hope there wasn't any sarcasm behind that |
| 16:13.10 | Leeds | sarky git |
| 16:13.14 | davilion | heh i realised how lazy i was today, i went to the gym after work, and went to park outside, couldnt find a space so decided to go home lol |
| 16:13.23 | Jenson | lol dav |
| 16:13.25 | davilion | im not normally that bad, but today cracked me up |
| 16:14.56 | Leeds | the gym is 2 minutes walk from home for me... doesn't mean I go :-( |
| 16:15.03 | davilion | heh |
| 16:15.10 | davilion | i try to go most nights when im down here now |
| 16:15.15 | Jenson | Yeah the gym is like 2 mins from me aswell |
| 16:15.27 | Jenson | but the computer is 2 secs from the living room lol |
| 16:15.30 | davilion | heheh |
| 16:15.41 | davilion | im going to make up for it this weekend i think |
| 16:15.50 | dankolb | Gym. Hmm. I think there's one about 3 minutes walk from me |
| 16:16.29 | Jenson | fucking hell 2k per sec d/l bloody thing |
| 16:16.41 | dankolb | Heh |
| 16:16.45 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:17.12 | Leeds | Jenson: mozilla? use a mirror... |
| 16:17.21 | davilion | yeah mirror.ac.uk should have one iirc |
| 16:17.34 | dankolb | mirror.ac.uk has one of everything :) |
| 16:17.44 | Jenson | I shall look |
| 16:18.05 | Jenson | I am of course d/l virus def updates at the same time. I forgot that |
| 16:18.06 | Leeds | it might be worth waiting... 1.2 will be out in a few days |
| 16:18.14 | dankolb | ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.mozilla.org |
| 16:18.21 | Leeds | (I built 1.2 from CVS yesterday...) |
| 16:18.26 | dankolb | If it's mirrored |
| 16:19.00 | Jenson | Doesn't apprear to erb |
| 16:19.03 | davilion | anybody here play freeciv? |
| 16:19.06 | Jenson | ^appear and be |
| 16:19.31 | Leeds | davilion: not against other people... but I play SMAC a lot |
| 16:19.45 | davilion | SMAC? |
| 16:20.09 | Leeds | Jenson: http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.1/ |
| 16:20.16 | Leeds | Sid Meir's Alpha Centuri |
| 16:21.11 | dankolb | Hm. Friday tomorrow. Who's been stealing the wek? |
| 16:21.13 | dankolb | *week |
| 16:21.35 | Leeds | I didn't steal no wok! |
| 16:21.53 | dankolb | Oh yeah? When was the last time you had Chinese? |
| 16:22.51 | Leeds | um, in China about a month ago |
| 16:23.04 | Leeds | :-) |
| 16:23.08 | dankolb | Aha. Did you steal a wok there? |
| 16:23.41 | Leeds | no! it was in a buddhist monastary |
| 16:23.49 | dankolb | The wok? |
| 16:24.22 | davilion | Leeds: ahh yes |
| 16:24.27 | Leeds | the food |
| 16:24.28 | davilion | i used to play colonisation when i had dos |
| 16:24.29 | davilion | it was good |
| 16:24.40 | Leeds | I played Civ, Civ II, Colonisation :-) |
| 16:25.01 | dankolb | But was the food cooked on a wok? |
| 16:25.03 | davilion | i never had civ, didnt have an os that supported it by the time i knew about them |
| 16:25.15 | davilion | anybody fancy a game of civ? its very addictive |
| 16:25.30 | Leeds | freeciv? |
| 16:26.09 | Leeds | wait while I install it? |
| 16:26.54 | davilion | yeah its like civ, but free |
| 16:26.56 | davilion | www.freeciv.org |
| 16:27.22 | dankolb | There's also a free Warcraft clone, isn't there? |
| 16:27.25 | Leeds | I know what it is - just don't have it installed :-) gonna take me a couple more mins to download it, then maybe 5 to build it? |
| 16:27.28 | Leeds | freecraft... |
| 16:27.29 | davilion | ooh that i didnt know |
| 16:27.34 | dankolb | Yeh |
| 16:27.38 | davilion | cool |
| 16:27.47 | davilion | not played that. |
| 16:27.59 | Leeds | what, freecraft? |
| 16:28.03 | davilion | heh, i can't belive im talking about parallising a cd copying process |
| 16:28.07 | dankolb | Neither have I. But I've played Warcraft II & III |
| 16:28.11 | davilion | yeah didnt know about freecraft until now |
| 16:28.55 | dankolb | Now you do :) |
| 16:29.08 | Leeds | I've never really got freecraft working... it can use warcraft graphics, but the supplied ones aren't very good, and it didn't run campaigns last time I looked - just single battles |
| 16:29.28 | dankolb | I can use the War2 CD to get graphics |
| 16:30.21 | davilion | <davilion> script threads for each cd drive, then rips a .bin, then copies the iso onto an nfs store, then telnets to burning machine and sends the name of the iso, ejects the drive, polls until drive is inserted again. <davilion> burning machine listens on a socket for a connected, ecah connection it quees up hte iso filename (checkpoints this after every burn) then it has a thread for each burner, each burner then locks the que, gets the next f |
| 16:30.21 | davilion | ilename marked as untouched, marks it as being burnt, then unlcoks the que, burns the cd, ejects the drive, locks the que, removes the filename from the que, and waits until a new cd is put in the drive, <davilion> then when the que is empty or restarted it prompts you to look for cd's which are marked as being burnt but havent been ticked off, you can select to reburn or cancel |
| 16:30.57 | davilion | for copying iso's from multiple cd's |
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| 16:33.41 | davilion | its times like that i get worried |
| 16:33.46 | dankolb | wb |
| 16:33.50 | davilion | re Jenson |
| 16:34.14 | Jenson | Nice to know my computer can manage 45 mins between being rebooted coz the internet was half dead to crashing again. |
| 16:34.19 | Jenson | I really oughta format |
| 16:34.27 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:34.37 | Leeds | ... the obvious comment ... |
| 16:34.46 | Jenson | My mother winges if I format though |
| 16:34.56 | dankolb | What? Install Solaris/x86? |
| 16:35.14 | Leeds | dankolb: :-P install anything but Windows... |
| 16:35.16 | Jenson | so it means that I have to back up - format and then load everything again to stop her whinging |
| 16:35.19 | dankolb | Minix? |
| 16:35.47 | dankolb | Seen what 28 days later? ;-) |
| 16:35.54 | skugg | the movie |
| 16:35.56 | Leeds | skugg: any good? I went to see it last week, but saw Harry Potter instead |
| 16:36.00 | Jenson | Formatting and just installing Linux would be a fun idea. I expect I'd figure it out the quickest on account of my mother doesn't seem to have mastered Windows yet and we had 95 before this |
| 16:36.24 | skugg | Leeds, i was on the edge of my seat the whole time... _very_ good imo. |
| 16:36.31 | Leeds | scary? |
| 16:36.51 | skugg | you could say that... never seen so many people leave the cinema before :P |
| 16:36.58 | skugg | and it was _not_ because they were bored |
| 16:37.02 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:37.47 | Leeds | davilion: want to try firing up a freeciv server? slap a couple of AIs on it... my main machine is NATed, so if you can run the server... |
| 16:38.06 | Jenson | I keep wanting to say ' I cant see that I'm not 18' its my birthday in 2 days for hell sake. I'm not gonna get use to the being 18 thing for a few months |
| 16:38.15 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:38.17 | davilion | Jenson: heh |
| 16:38.29 | dankolb | Doing anything special, then? |
| 16:38.43 | Leeds | Jenson: my (24-year-old) sister still gets IDed! |
| 16:38.43 | davilion | skugg: i enjoyed it, wasnt what i was expecting but it played with my mind, theres issues in that film which hit a nerve with me and it just totally grossed me out |
| 16:39.04 | davilion | Leeds: i only get id'd when i dont bring my wallet its soo annoying |
| 16:39.12 | davilion | Jenson: want a game of freeciv? |
| 16:39.19 | skugg | davilion, me too. |
| 16:39.19 | davilion | Leeds: i'm thinking use a public server |
| 16:39.22 | Leeds | I haven't been IDed for a few years... |
| 16:39.30 | Leeds | davilion: fair enough - never played on one of them... |
| 16:39.45 | Jenson | davilion: I haven't got it and I doubt it runs on Windows |
| 16:39.54 | davilion | Jenson: it does run on windows :) |
| 16:40.10 | Leeds | Jenson: of course it does! |
| 16:40.14 | skugg | Jenson, i turned 24 8 months ago, and I still tell people i'm 23... |
| 16:40.23 | skugg | :) |
| 16:40.37 | davilion | heh yeah i keep forgetting im 20 sometimes |
| 16:40.40 | skugg | i'm always lagging a year |
| 16:40.57 | Leeds | Jenson: ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/packages/windows/ |
| 16:41.20 | Jenson | I don't think I want to play it now but I shall d/l it. |
| 16:42.52 | davilion | ok just a sec i need to download source i think, .deb segfaults |
| 16:43.06 | Leeds | been there, done it... |
| 16:43.32 | dankolb | AOTC? |
| 16:43.35 | dankolb | ibot aotc |
| 16:43.36 | | dankolb: are you smoking crack? |
| 16:44.11 | davilion | heh |
| 16:44.39 | Leeds | Attack of the Clones |
| 16:44.43 | dankolb | Ah |
| 16:45.02 | Leeds | saw it at the cinema... and downloaded it :-) |
| 16:45.05 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:45.11 | dankolb | Do you have a decent copy? |
| 16:45.23 | Leeds | it's a DVD rip to two SVCDs, so yeah |
| 16:45.37 | dankolb | Can I have a copy? Please? |
| 16:45.40 | davilion | Leeds: which source version did you download? |
| 16:46.03 | Leeds | dankolb: remind me nearer GLLUG - I'll burn you a copy |
| 16:46.08 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
| 16:47.00 | *** join/#gllug ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 16:47.00 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.linux.co.uk [next meeting 7 December 2002] |
| 16:47.13 | Leeds | night, formi |
| 16:47.16 | formi | see ya |
| 16:47.26 | dankolb | night formi |
| 16:47.31 | formi | don't be naughty |
| 16:47.42 | dankolb | Us? Naughty? |
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| 16:49.22 | Leeds | in, out, in, out... shake it all about! |
| 16:49.25 | Jenson | Sorry Leeds. Could I possibly have that link again. My computer seems to have got it in for me tonight |
| 16:49.36 | Leeds | ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/packages/windows/ |
| 16:49.43 | Leeds | or did you mean the Moz one? |
| 16:49.52 | dankolb | ibot mozilla |
| 16:49.52 | | i heard mozilla is made in JavaScript? |
| 16:50.02 | Jenson | No that one |
| 16:50.09 | Jenson | I managed to save the Moz one |
| 16:51.31 | skugg | ibot, mozilla is great |
| 16:51.31 | | ...but mozilla is already something else... |
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| 16:51.42 | Leeds | ibot mozilla is also great |
| 16:51.42 | | Leeds: okay |
| 16:51.43 | skugg | ibot, i know. mozilla is many things |
| 16:51.44 | | skugg: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:51.56 | dankolb | ibot mozilla |
| 16:51.56 | | rumour has it, mozilla is made in JavaScript?, or great |
| 16:52.01 | dankolb | ibot mozilla |
| 16:52.01 | | i guess mozilla is made in JavaScript?, or great |
| 16:52.05 | Jenson | Dammit I've only just rebooted and already crashed to programs |
| 16:52.09 | dankolb | :-) |
| 16:52.13 | dankolb | Reinstall |
| 16:52.17 | Jenson | It's coz I left the damn computer on all last night |
| 16:52.29 | dankolb | I leave my work computer on all week |
| 16:52.46 | Leeds | I leave computers on for many months |
| 16:52.48 | Jenson | Yeah I expect I could with my old P90 but this is a bitch |
| 16:53.00 | dankolb | Get a better computer, too |
| 16:53.04 | Leeds | they only go down for hardware upgrades, low-level software upgrades, or power cuts |
| 16:53.05 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:53.21 | Jenson | Nevermind, when we get some other computers I'll stay away from this. |
| 16:53.38 | Jenson | It just needs formatting but I'm lazy coz it gets fucked up again in no time |
| 16:54.41 | dankolb | Which Windoze version? |
| 16:55.03 | Jenson | 98SE |
| 16:55.19 | dankolb | Hm. |
| 16:55.29 | Leeds | Field commander Yoda! |
| 16:55.39 | dankolb | Change hardware, possibly? That could be an issue |
| 16:56.08 | Jenson | I don't have hardware problems I don't think |
| 16:56.22 | dankolb | Driver issues, though |
| 16:56.27 | Jenson | DirectX can be a bitch but other than that the hardware seems to be well integrated |
| 16:58.17 | Jenson | Driver issues wouldn't surprise me though. Problem is I'm the one who has to thing about these things coz my mother doesn't understand and my dad understands more than he lets on so he doesn't have to do it. |
| 17:00.44 | Jenson | Shit BRB I need to finda URL I'm looking for. |
| 17:01.11 | dankolb | whu? |
| 17:01.20 | Jenson | back |
| 17:01.39 | Jenson | Can't see an Ad Trader therefore I'm going to have to find it somewhere else |
| 17:02.43 | SpudUAway | I see MCA have another auction Sat week in Crawley. Anyone been to one of these? |
| 17:03.03 | Leeds | is that the huge auction? |
| 17:03.14 | Jenson | D'oh the link was right next to the other computer fair one |
| 17:03.18 | dankolb | Heh |
| 17:03.28 | SpudUAway | Leeds: Fairly big. |
| 17:03.50 | SpudUAway | http://www.mca-uk.co.uk |
| 17:04.17 | SpudUAway | They should have the catalogue online by now. |
| 17:04.46 | Leeds | http://www.mca-uk.co.uk/Cat.htm |
| 17:04.59 | SpudUAway | Quite possibly. |
| 17:05.59 | SpudUAway | Is 19400 Lots huge? |
| 17:06.08 | SpudUAway | Whoops, 1940 |
| 17:06.49 | Leeds | and now it's time for... |
| 17:06.56 | Leeds | Yoda the Hedgehog! |
| 17:07.08 | dankolb | That's quite a lot |
| 17:07.35 | SpudUAway | dankolb: Yeah, but half of them are 15" monitors. |
| 17:07.57 | dankolb | I have enough monitors |
| 17:08.37 | SpudUAway | Some interesting stuff. Page of 2nd user laptops that 'might' go for a reasonable amount. |
| 17:08.40 | Jenson | we have a 14" monitor, a 17" monitor and somewrid b/w Atari monitor. That makes 3 and that's all. |
| 17:08.53 | Jenson | ^some weird |
| 17:09.09 | Jenson | lol |
| 17:09.29 | Leeds | I've got a 14, a 17 (permanently loaned out), a 21, and a 21 borrowed from work (which is the one I use) |
| 17:09.35 | Leeds | plus a 19 inch X-term |
| 17:09.57 | Jenson | I have too many marbles/pogs/tazos/CDs to count on 4 hands but thats about it |
| 17:10.14 | eye69 | I need to fix my 21" |
| 17:10.14 | dankolb | Have you lost your marbles yet, though? |
| 17:10.25 | Jenson | No Dan lol |
| 17:10.28 | dankolb | :) |
| 17:10.30 | eye69 | I'm incredibly annoyed that it broke |
| 17:10.33 | Leeds | I like things like " BOX OF MISC HARDWARE" on the auction list |
| 17:10.41 | dankolb | :) |
| 17:10.49 | Leeds | eye69: you shouldn't have head-butted it |
| 17:11.10 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.15 | dankolb | That's what the Debian Installer does for you :) |
| 17:11.32 | Leeds | or possibly David thingy |
| 17:11.42 | Jenson | When I was younger we blew a fuse out in our monitor. When it was fixed and we got it back for the next 2 weeks I sat as far away as possible lol |
| 17:11.45 | dankolb | Damerell? |
| 17:11.56 | eye69 | Leeds: The bloody thunderstorm took it |
| 17:12.11 | Leeds | dankolb: yes |
| 17:12.19 | Leeds | 100 3Com network cards? |
| 17:12.20 | dankolb | ibot insult David Damerell |
| 17:12.37 | Leeds | I've had a monitor actually go bang and start smoking out the back on me... |
| 17:12.48 | Jenson | Thunderstorm hasn't got us yet. Got my granny's modem (external) and blew out an internal modem on a mate's PC but hasn't got me yet. |
| 17:12.58 | Jenson | Leeds: I've seen an iron do that. |
| 17:13.23 | Leeds | Jenson: it's scarier when it's a monitor and you're sitting in front of it - I yanked the power and ran |
| 17:13.34 | SpudUAway | Jenson: How long has your granny been wired then? |
| 17:13.56 | Jenson | My granny had a computer before I did, that's quite scary lol |
| 17:14.11 | dankolb | That got binned |
| 17:14.20 | Jenson | That and she's still got the bloody thing. Couldn't get slower if it tried |
| 17:14.26 | dankolb | :) |
| 17:14.30 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.53 | Jenson | When I saw the iron blow out my mother askes me to turn it off and I'm just staring at it. Didn't blow the fuse either. |
| 17:15.12 | Jenson | Now we have a new fuse box it blows every time a light bulb goes or for no apparent reason. |
| 17:15.24 | dankolb | :) |
| 17:15.33 | Leeds | I'd bought a 2nd hand 8088 (really!) - the monitor blew up and I got a shock from the mains cable... apart from that, it was a great buy |
| 17:15.42 | dankolb | Heh :) |
| 17:15.46 | Jenson | What fun Leeds |
| 17:16.02 | Leeds | better a fuse-box goes when it shouldn't than doesn't when it should... |
| 17:16.23 | dankolb | A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the fuse by blowing first |
| 17:17.05 | Leeds | 879V 9" FLAT PANEL MONITOR |
| 17:17.11 | dankolb | 9" |
| 17:17.14 | dankolb | Oooh |
| 17:17.34 | SpudUAway | I saw those, they have a few, might be nice for some project. |
| 17:17.52 | dankolb | Do you know Java? |
| 17:17.58 | SpudUAway | NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 17:18.12 | Jenson | I hate PCWorld |
| 17:18.14 | SpudUAway | Not PC World |
| 17:18.30 | Jenson | I mean I know nothing and I go in there and I know the assistants are talking shit. |
| 17:18.41 | Leeds | dankolb: I'm aware of Java... |
| 17:18.47 | dankolb | However, a colleague did pick up a nice cheap 2.8GHz P4 base unit (hard drive, RAM, etc.) for about #400 |
| 17:19.27 | Jenson | What I noticed though is the don't have 3D graphics cards |
| 17:19.27 | dankolb | Leeds: Yeah, but it's not important really. Not a Microsoft product. |
| 17:19.37 | dankolb | Who needs 3D graphics for IRC? |
| 17:19.40 | SpudUAway | The sales droid mis labled it???? |
| 17:19.46 | dankolb | Nope. |
| 17:19.53 | dankolb | That was the correct price. No CDs with it, though. |
| 17:19.58 | dankolb | The ones with CDs were #500 |
| 17:20.00 | dankolb | No monitor, either |
| 17:20.22 | Jenson | One doesn't need 3D graphics for IRC but SimCity3000, F12002 and Q2 and Q3A do. |
| 17:21.14 | dankolb | None of the new ones, anyway |
| 17:21.16 | Jenson | Why the hell would I want a base-unit with XP on for anyway. |
| 17:21.28 | dankolb | For wiping and installing a proper OS on it? |
| 17:21.41 | Leeds | bed time... |
| 17:21.47 | SpudUAway | Jenson: For the satisfaction of formatting it! |
| 17:21.55 | dankolb | nn Leeds |
| 17:21.55 | Leeds | davilion: if you're awake... we'll play civ sometime, but I need to sleep now... |
| 17:22.06 | dankolb | Hm. It is bedtime, too. |
| 17:22.35 | Jenson | SpudUAway: Well yes, but why pay for something you don't want/ |
| 17:22.44 | SpudUAway | Jenson: For the satisfaction of formatting it! |
| 17:22.49 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
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| 17:22.58 | dankolb | Try and get a refund, then |
| 17:23.43 | SpudUAway | "But you'll need XP to make it work." they'll say. |
| 17:24.01 | Jenson | I'll say 'If you insist!' |
| 17:24.07 | dankolb | Tell them to go <snip> themselves |
| 17:24.24 | Jenson | lol dan |
| 17:24.35 | Jenson | Actually saying snip might be funny |
| 17:24.51 | dankolb | Yep. |
| 17:24.55 | Jenson | Similar to the ice down pants thing |
| 17:25.03 | dankolb | "I say I say I say. My salesperson has no balls" |
| 17:25.16 | SpudUAway | Funny, but only if you provide the hedge shears. |
| 17:25.49 | Jenson | No I'd provied a snapped in half XP CD |
| 17:25.51 | dankolb | I've only got a penknife |
| 17:28.17 | dankolb | It's sharp, though |
| 17:29.38 | oldehasleep | nighty night guys |
| 17:29.41 | dankolb | night |
| 17:29.49 | oldehasleep | night dan |
| 17:29.51 | oldehasleep | :> |
| 17:29.54 | SpudUAway | You must be intent on going uni tomorrow then! |
| 17:29.59 | oldehasleep | aye |
| 17:30.06 | oldehasleep | uni and 2 appointments |
| 17:30.07 | oldehasleep | lol |
| 17:30.09 | oldehasleep | :> |
| 17:30.10 | SpudUAway | Good stuff. |
| 17:30.32 | SpudUAway | night |
| 17:30.38 | oldehasleep | night colin doode |
| 17:30.40 | oldehasleep | :> |
| 17:31.00 | SpudUAway | So, Is Jenson coming to the GLLUG meeting on the 7th? |
| 17:31.20 | SpudUAway | oldehasleep: Well get that card working yet! |
| 17:31.54 | Jenson | SpudUAway: Something tels me I';m gonna have trouble convincing me to get my parents to go to London, but maybe i can get to0 one early next year. |
| 17:32.12 | dankolb | Come on your own.... |
| 17:32.28 | SpudUAway | Walking distance from Euston. |
| 17:33.02 | Jenson | I'm paranoid enough of my own town let alone London. Maybe I can convince a mate to come with me sometime...I think there is one I could convince if I promised they'd be guys there. |
| 17:34.00 | SpudUAway | Hmm, the meetings are mainly female, 'bout 80/20 female/make split. |
| 17:34.36 | SpudUAway | Pah, you saw right thorough that, didn't you! |
| 17:34.42 | skugg | SpudUAway, yeah, that's a fair estimate :P |
| 17:34.43 | Jenson | Yeah |
| 17:34.59 | SpudUAway | :-) |
| 17:35.00 | highbury | 85/15 |
| 17:35.09 | skugg | night nigh |
| 17:35.11 | Jenson | You meant 80% of males talking about girls the other 20% interested in sometihng else |
| 17:35.11 | skugg | +t |
| 17:35.23 | Jenson | night skugg |
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| 17:36.02 | SpudUAway | No, 80% are girls |
| 17:36.03 | dankolb_ | ibot insult forced disconnects |
| 17:38.53 | SpudUAway | Apparently seagulls have this sort of valve system in their digestive tract. I, while you're out on a ferry with seagulls following, like they do, and you throw it an Alka Seltza, it'll eat it without realising, and eventually explode. |
| 17:39.09 | SpudUAway | s/I/if |
| 17:39.16 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 17:39.46 | dankolb_ | # All the world seems in tune on a Spring afternoon, when we're poisoning pigeons in the park |
| 17:39.54 | SpudUAway | I mean, how else are you supposed to keep yourself amused on a cross channel ferry? |
| 17:40.12 | dankolb_ | Feed ASes to the other passengers? |
| 17:40.26 | SpudUAway | Apart from asking the steward if there's a pool table on board. |
| 17:40.52 | Jenson | Good idea dan |
| 17:41.10 | Jenson | Makes floppy disk bombs to deposit on people you don't like? |
| 17:41.17 | dankolb_ | Yeh |
| 17:42.50 | Jenson | I think I really had better get going now. |
| 17:43.07 | dankolb_ | Me too |
| 17:43.08 | Jenson | I had decided that staying up late was making me tired and depressed and I'm still here |
| 17:43.13 | SpudUAway | Prolly speak to you later then. |
| 17:43.17 | dankolb_ | Are we that bad company, then? |
| 17:43.31 | Jenson | No, but thae lack of sleep isn't good. |
| 17:43.42 | dankolb_ | There's a magical brew. |
| 17:43.49 | dankolb_ | COFFEE! |
| 17:43.54 | Jenson | I should be back at lunchtime (12:30) if not then after 10pm |
| 17:43.58 | Jenson | I HATE coffee |
| 17:44.13 | dankolb_ | Okay. I should be around at lunchtime, assuming I'm not in the server room |
| 17:44.21 | Jenson | Ok cool |
| 17:44.47 | Jenson | Should be there for about 45mins then I have to go meet some mates. |
| 17:45.09 | dankolb_ | Okay :) |
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| 17:47.26 | Jenson | BT killing you mate? |
| 17:47.48 | dankolb__ | yeh |
| 17:48.28 | SpudUAway | Jen. I'm gonna go too, speak soon. |
| 17:48.38 | dankolb__ | night SpudUAway |
| 17:48.43 | Jenson | Bye spud |
| 17:48.44 | SpudUAway | nn |
| 17:48.49 | Jenson | night mate |
| 17:48.50 | dankolb__ | Sleep well |
| 17:49.20 | SpudUAway | We'll have to start calling you Underscore Dan ;-) |
| 17:49.34 | Jenson | lol |
| 17:50.00 | _dan | :) |
| 17:51.15 | Jenson | lol |
| 17:51.18 | _dan | :) |
| 17:59.24 | Jenson | Bye all |
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