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| 01:03.26 | adhoc | ping |
| 01:05.42 | adhoc | don't tell me that everyone is still asleep? |
| 01:11.59 | murb | pong. |
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| 08:15.36 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.linux.co.uk [next meeting 7 December 2002] |
| 08:15.55 | adhoc | is ibot on crack again? |
| 08:16.43 | murb | or somthing probably. |
| 08:16.59 | murb | are you in nodnol? |
| 08:25.19 | adhoc | no |
| 08:25.24 | adhoc | not any more ... |
| 08:25.38 | adhoc | the neighbours kept me awake and i have to move |
| 08:25.49 | adhoc | ^have^had |
| 08:32.29 | adhoc | but moving to adelaide, au may have been a spot on the excessive side |
| 08:34.47 | murb | hehe :) |
| 08:35.20 | murb | What is the job situation like in .au? |
| 08:51.21 | dank_work | Morning |
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| 09:02.46 | dank_work | SPLITTERS! |
| 09:03.23 | SpudUAway | Come back 'ere, I'll bite your kneecaps off. |
| 09:03.42 | SpudUAway | Err, we are doing Python quotes, aren't we? |
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| 09:22.28 | jenson | Hey all who aren't busy. |
| 09:22.44 | SpudUAway | Define busy? |
| 09:22.47 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 09:23.04 | SpudUAway | What's this, morning coffee break? |
| 09:23.06 | jenson | To busy to talk would be a good def. |
| 09:23.34 | jenson | Nah this is me being lazy. |
| 09:23.45 | SpudUAway | Neat! |
| 09:24.00 | jenson | What about you? |
| 09:25.59 | Tarragon | 9:30 and fourth coffee. |
| 09:26.27 | jenson | Hi Tarragon. Does life take that much effort to stay awake? |
| 09:26.43 | dank_work | Hey jenson |
| 09:26.46 | SpudUAway | Just waiting on a phone call, might go see Die Another Day this morning too. |
| 09:26.58 | jenson | Hey dan. I just mailed you to say hi. |
| 09:27.02 | dank_work | Thanks :) |
| 09:27.08 | jenson | I'm going to see that on Sunday Spud. |
| 09:27.25 | jenson | Damn I'm going to have to go in a minute. |
| 09:27.40 | Tarragon | No. I sleep very little. It is just hands shake if I don't and it tastes better than prozac. |
| 09:27.52 | jenson | Correction I'm goping to have to go now. |
| 09:27.53 | SpudUAway | jenson: 17.45 if I remember rightly. |
| 09:27.54 | dank_work | Hmm. Coffee could potentially be a good idea. |
| 09:28.03 | SpudUAway | Laters then. |
| 09:28.09 | dank_work | Okay. C'ya later, jenson |
| 09:28.09 | jenson | I shall see you guys at luchtime....bout 12:30 |
| 09:28.12 | jenson | Yeah Spud. |
| 09:28.16 | jenson | See ya guys. |
| 09:28.18 | Tarragon | Caio |
| 09:28.20 | dank_work | There's no escaping from IRC :) |
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| 09:48.05 | eye69 | Morning |
| 09:48.10 | dank_work | Hiya |
| 10:55.21 | SpudUAway | Sugar Puffs, with FULL FAT milk, salted cashew nuts, a Mars bar and a basil leaf, for balance. |
| 10:55.58 | SpudUAway | I feel it is important for me to tell the room these things, for ibot really is my weblog. |
| 10:56.19 | dank_work | "Diet food: One lettuce leaf slightly seasoned with.......one quart of mayonnaise" |
| 10:56.37 | SpudUAway | Exactly. |
| 11:04.36 | dank_work | http://garfield.ucomics.com/garfield/gaview.cfm?uc_full_date=19910307&uc_daction=X |
| 11:17.16 | SpudUAway | BOFH and the Nigerian 419 - v funny too. |
| 11:20.56 | dank_work | Ooh. New BOFH episode? |
| 11:21.18 | SpudUAway | "Dear Emily Postnews, while browsing the net I am now frequently getting a pop-up asking me to enter into their 'color (sic) survey'. In this survey I cannot see the 'Cowboy Neil' option. Am I going blind?" |
| 11:21.21 | dank_work | Err. "Man burns penis with laptop" |
| 11:21.31 | dank_work | :) |
| 11:22.13 | SpudUAway | Nude computing, the new extreme sport. don't try and tell us you've never been tempted! |
| 11:23.46 | dank_work | He wasn't nude :) |
| 11:34.43 | SpudUAway | Hmmm, I'll leave lunch until the term 'extensive supportation' has faded from my memory. |
| 11:34.51 | dank_work | :) |
| 11:34.53 | SpudUAway | Some time next year then. |
| 11:35.14 | dank_work | :-) |
| 12:05.16 | Old3hwakes | omg |
| 12:05.22 | Old3hwakes | did i ovver sleeep |
| 12:05.36 | SpudUAway | What, no uni today either!!!! |
| 12:05.41 | Old3hwake | eek |
| 12:05.43 | Old3hwake | stop it |
| 12:05.45 | Old3hwake | :> |
| 12:05.58 | Old3hwake | i seem to remmber going to sleep with that intention |
| 12:06.03 | Old3hwake | :> |
| 12:06.30 | Old3hwake | lol |
| 12:06.40 | Old3hwake | omg the rain |
| 12:07.00 | SpudUAway | I can see one of those difficult meetings with the Uni counsellor looming! |
| 12:07.13 | Old3hwake | what another 1 |
| 12:07.17 | Old3hwake | :/ |
| 12:07.24 | Old3hwake | im still sore from the last 1 |
| 12:07.41 | Old3hwake | :/ |
| 12:08.34 | dank_work | Hi Old3hwake |
| 12:08.41 | Old3hwake | lo dan doode |
| 12:10.34 | Old3hwake | how u doing |
| 12:15.42 | dank_work | Quite good. |
| 12:15.57 | dank_work | Ghosting a load of machines |
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| 12:35.20 | jenson | Hey everyone |
| 12:38.02 | dank_work | hey |
| 12:39.00 | jenson | Hey |
| 12:44.44 | SpudUAway | "Battle lines drawn over XML Office formats" (from The Register) - |
| 12:44.44 | SpudUAway | However, Simon Marks, Microsoft Office product manger, said |
| 12:44.44 | SpudUAway | that Microsoft would not be interested in joining if the technical |
| 12:44.44 | SpudUAway | committee produced "just another file format that panders to the lowest |
| 12:44.44 | SpudUAway | common denominator." |
| 12:44.44 | SpudUAway | Presumably because Microsoft have that sector sewn up! ;-) |
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| 13:08.33 | Leeds | yay open office formats! |
| 13:09.02 | Leeds | I need to get some info from an excel doc - I loaded it into OpenOffice, saved as native, and there's a nice XML file to work with now :-) |
| 13:10.42 | eye69 | Leeds: Cool |
| 13:11.21 | Leeds | all I need to do now is work out how to deal with XML in Python... |
| 13:16.39 | jenson | Later all |
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| 13:18.29 | dank_work | Hrm. I set up a Win2000 DHCP server, and it doesn't work |
| 13:19.40 | eye69 | dank_work: Wow, I'm amazed. |
| 13:21.34 | dank_work | :-) |
| 15:29.38 | SpudUAway | Leeds: OpenOffice???? Haven't you all got StarOffice on the corporate desktops? ;-) |
| 15:31.45 | Leeds | corporate desktop? you *really* think I'd go near one of them? although they run GNOME nowadays... |
| 15:31.59 | dank_work | Ick |
| 15:32.16 | Leeds | better than CDE |
| 15:32.37 | dank_work | Weeeeelllllll |
| 15:32.38 | Leeds | and much much better than OpenWindows |
| 15:33.56 | Leeds | go on, deny that, you strange-round-widget-loving freak |
| 15:36.30 | Leeds | you prefer CDE to GNOME? |
| 15:38.24 | SpudUAway | Which is the big screen in the O2? |
| 15:40.22 | dank_work | They're both ugly |
| 15:46.07 | Leeds | SpudUAway: I'm never sure... going to see Bond? |
| 15:46.55 | SpudUAway | Yeah, says screen 6. |
| 15:47.32 | SpudUAway | Also I can't decide if a 12a is suitable for my 7 year old. |
| 15:47.47 | SpudUAway | Or maybe thats visa versa. |
| 15:48.53 | SpudUAway | She does criticise Buffy for not being violent enough. |
| 15:50.05 | SpudUAway | "It's not like Pulp Fiction, is it dad!" she says. |
| 15:51.27 | SpudUAway | I saw Diamond are Forever when I was 7, that hasn't effected me. |
| 15:51.31 | SpudUAway | Much. |
| 15:53.06 | SpudUAway | Seeing it 26 times in the cinema may have effected me more. |
| 15:56.33 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 15:56.43 | Leeds | since when did rich@annexia.org work for RedHat? |
| 15:57.33 | Leeds | buffy is more violent in the late-night showing on BBC... |
| 15:58.50 | SpudUAway | I think that's the one she watched. Is it on just before HeadF**k on Sci-Fi, she turns over for that. |
| 15:58.52 | Leeds | oh, right - via arsdigita |
| 16:01.10 | Leeds | it's on about 12:40 Saturday morning (Friday night) |
| 16:02.05 | SpudUAway | Yeah, that's the one. Gotta go. |
| 16:02.15 | Leeds | seeya |
| 16:02.53 | dank_work | seeya |
| 16:21.01 | dank_work | ibot insult David Damerell |
| 16:23.49 | Leeds | ibot insult Debian freaks |
| 16:23.59 | Leeds | heh |
| 16:24.08 | dank_work | :-) |
| 16:26.19 | Leeds | ibot sing |
| 16:26.20 | | ACTION sings off key |
| 16:26.25 | Leeds | ibot dance |
| 16:26.26 | | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 16:27.07 | dank_work | What does 'flcl?' mean? |
| 16:27.29 | Leeds | flcl? |
| 16:27.32 | Leeds | context? |
| 16:27.39 | dank_work | David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl? |
| 16:28.01 | Leeds | freak likes crappy licenses? |
| 16:28.14 | Leeds | dunno - you could mail him and ask him, ask ibot or ask google |
| 16:28.16 | Leeds | ibot flcl |
| 16:28.17 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Leeds |
| 16:28.24 | dank_work | ibot david damerell |
| 16:28.25 | | dank_work: are you smoking crack? |
| 16:58.34 | dank_work | I wonder....am I just unlucky that Debian's never worked properly for me? |
| 17:01.57 | idoru | dank: do you have odd hardware or something? |
| 17:02.35 | dank_work | Nope. |
| 17:03.16 | dank_work | Hardware would generally be a kernel issue, not Debian-specific |
| 17:03.18 | idoru | maybe you're just unluck then :) |
| 17:03.28 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 17:03.28 | idoru | s/k/ky/ |
| 17:03.43 | idoru | i installed it on another machine today |
| 17:03.50 | dank_work | Which means it really annoys me when people have the attitude of "Debian will save the world" |
| 17:04.05 | Leeds | there's also the self-righteousness |
| 17:04.40 | dank_work | Yeah. I haven't noticed it with any other distro users |
| 17:05.08 | idoru | debian's just another linux distro, which is just another OS, which is just another thing tool on your computer |
| 17:05.16 | Leeds | apart from Slackware - but that's from a Zen-like simplicity point of view :-) |
| 17:05.19 | idoru | s/thing // |
| 17:06.17 | idoru | i just happen to really like debian from a sysadmin and user's point of view |
| 17:06.45 | idoru | anyway, hometime. seeyas |
| 17:07.34 | Leeds | seeya |
| 17:08.26 | dank_work | Leeds: Oh yeah. |
| 17:08.41 | dank_work | I like apt-get. That's it. |
| 17:08.57 | dank_work | But I've got apt-get on RedHat, and on OS X |
| 17:19.46 | dank_work | Slackware is the step between Linux and BSD :) |
| 17:20.32 | Leeds | I feel no need to use BSD unless it's on a Mac, and I can't make myself afford a Mac... |
| 17:22.55 | dank_work | But Powerbooks are nice :) |
| 17:25.47 | Leeds | very nice... but too expensive :-( |
| 17:26.09 | dank_work | They've got a better spec now :) |
| 17:33.55 | Leeds | very nice... but still too expensive :-( |
| 17:34.22 | Leeds | regardless of the spec - it's just too much money to spend on anything smaller than, say, a car or a 3-week holiday |
| 17:34.39 | dank_work | Says Mr. iPaq |
| 17:35.25 | Leeds | how much is a decent powerbook? |
| 17:35.44 | dank_work | I paid £2000, and that was the cheapest, with student discount |
| 17:36.15 | Leeds | microanvika have one listed (on their front page) for 1899 |
| 17:37.02 | Leeds | they have my iPAQ listed at 449 |
| 17:37.24 | Leeds | add maybe another 200-250 on for extra bits, and it's 700 quid |
| 17:37.38 | dank_work | Not as powerful |
| 17:37.44 | Leeds | it's a lot of money - but nowhere near a powerbook |
| 17:37.59 | Leeds | of course it's not as powerful - but I don't need anything that powerful to be portable |
| 17:38.16 | Leeds | and I *like* that it's small enough to go in my pocket |
| 17:38.23 | dank_work | :-) |
| 17:38.30 | dank_work | Not that you're just pleased to see anyone |
| 17:38.52 | dank_work | ;-) |
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| 17:39.24 | formi | hi folks |
| 17:39.28 | Leeds | pleased to see you :-) |
| 17:40.10 | formi | about the issue I talked to you about, Steve has the full view |
| 17:40.44 | Leeds | right... |
| 17:40.46 | Leeds | and? |
| 17:41.03 | formi | If you want to know more, ask him |
| 17:41.21 | formi | he now knows more than I do |
| 17:41.26 | Leeds | doesn't particularly bother me... but I'm happy to help if it's needed |
| 17:41.38 | dank_work | Thanks Leeds :) |
| 17:41.41 | dank_work | Hi formi |
| 17:41.47 | formi | hi dank |
| 17:41.56 | formi | still at work, |
| 17:44.23 | formi | the love for work, something I can't understand |
| 17:44.47 | formi | hehe |
| 17:45.05 | formi | ibot: seen zachary? |
| 17:45.07 | | i haven't seen 'zachary', formi |
| 17:45.14 | formi | ibot: seen zach? |
| 17:45.14 | | i haven't seen 'zach', formi |
| 17:45.27 | dank_work | I'm just waiting for my dad to come and pick me up |
| 17:45.51 | formi | how nice |
| 17:46.21 | highbury | Web pages have just been updated, more details about agk's talk |
| 17:46.24 | dank_work | Isn't it just :) |
| 17:47.36 | Leeds | not the love of work... but I only got in the office at 11am |
| 17:48.27 | Leeds | formi: I think he and his wife are on holiday |
| 17:48.34 | formi | ah |
| 17:49.06 | formi | odd thing to get when you have a toddler |
| 17:49.32 | dank_work | Hm. ibot isn't that good at recognising people |
| 17:49.34 | formi | better than nothing I suppose |
| 17:49.35 | dank_work | ibot seen Leeds |
| 17:49.37 | | leeds is currently on #gllug (5h 23m 44s) #handhelds.org (5h 23m 44s). Has said a total of 52 messages. Is idling for 1m 10s |
| 17:49.43 | dank_work | ibot seen formi |
| 17:49.43 | | formi is currently on #gllug (10m 28s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 9s |
| 17:49.47 | dank_work | ibot seen jenson |
| 17:49.47 | | jenson <~jenson@64.246.28.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 4h 33m 8s ago, saying: 'Later all'. |
| 17:49.53 | dank_work | Ah. It does work again |
| 17:49.58 | dank_work | Wasn't working a couple of days ago |
| 17:50.05 | dank_work | ibot lart |
| 17:50.16 | dank_work | ibot lart dankolb |
| 17:50.28 | dank_work | ibot lart #gllug |
| 17:51.58 | dank_work | Byee |
| 17:52.04 | Leeds | ugh, there's a VAX on me |
| 17:52.06 | Leeds | seeya, dan |
| 17:55.42 | highbury | formi: any good at cooking? My Brother was supposed to be cooking for us tonight, but has dropped out, he's bought a load of Spanish Sausages as an ingredient, any ideas? |
| 17:56.25 | formi | the sausages can be eaten raw |
| 17:56.45 | formi | i like them fried with some red wine |
| 17:57.19 | formi | basically you make a few incissions in them and to the pan |
| 17:57.34 | formi | a bit smokey but lovely |
| 17:58.24 | formi | another nice one is to use grappa as fuel and do some king of fondue |
| 17:58.36 | formi | bit of wine also needed |
| 18:00.20 | highbury | no grappa, and only french red wine |
| 18:00.46 | formi | french and spanish don't usually figth |
| 18:01.07 | formi | it's more interesting to have a go at the brits |
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| 18:24.15 | Leeds | in,out,in,out |
| 18:26.12 | formi | we are a scary bunch |
| 18:30.25 | Leeds | very true |
| 18:36.49 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.57 | formi | the emails I get |
| 18:37.37 | Leeds | well, it's nive of them to offer it to you... |
| 18:37.40 | Leeds | nive=nice |
| 18:38.43 | formi | only that I won't pay for something I don't need |
| 18:39.48 | formi | To:"Sulzer Olmeda" <Lubic@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Sender: "Kilborne Casana" <KilborneCasana@myrealbox.com> |
| 18:39.55 | formi | odd headers |
| 18:40.53 | Leeds | that's from the spam? remember that nothing in the headers can be trusted at all, unless it was added by *your computer* - other than that, they're just a block of text controlled largely by the sender |
| 18:40.53 | formi | Received: from hF84.pgLj.com ([835.373.161.25]) by 3RVlQ.e7N04JLhSgIG27G.com with ESMTP id HTKe7q; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:34:07 -0100 |
| 18:41.18 | formi | i got it on a yahoo account |
| 18:41.37 | formi | and i haven't download it |
| 18:42.09 | Leeds | so you can't trust any headers, really |
| 18:42.23 | formi | i like the ip number |
| 18:42.38 | Leeds | looks okay to me :-) |
| 18:43.34 | formi | yahoo should stop mails that contain invalid ip addresses |
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| 20:34.09 | skugg | hi, i'm trying to beat my ssh-server into letting me log in without typing password, by using the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file. |
| 20:34.17 | skugg | i'm not very successful though. |
| 20:38.15 | eye69 | skugg: You've run 'ssh-keygen -t dsa' on the client? |
| 20:39.14 | skugg | eye69, it works if I try to log in to other machines, just not my own local ones. |
| 20:39.37 | skugg | i even tried copying the config of the server where this works over to my machine, to no avail. |
| 20:39.41 | eye69 | skugg: If so, copy the content of ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub on the client to the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file on the server |
| 20:40.41 | skugg | it does not help, i've done that. |
| 20:40.46 | eye69 | Have you checked the permissions of the ~/.ssh directory on both server and client? It should be 700 |
| 20:41.44 | skugg | yeah, they are. It works if I log in to different servers, but not my own, even if using the same config as a server where this works... |
| 20:41.45 | skugg | hm. |
| 20:43.47 | skugg | it's mildly annoying, to say the least. |
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| 21:00.03 | dankolb_ | Hi |
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| 21:18.50 | dankolb_ | Hi Davilion |
| 21:18.53 | Davilion | evening |
| 21:19.13 | dankolb_ | Why oh why oh why do Linux distributions need so many boot floppies now? |
| 21:20.28 | dankolb_ | While you're pondering that, I'll be back after HIGNFY |
| 21:20.29 | dankolb_ | C'ya |
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| 21:57.25 | dankolb | Hi |
| 21:58.54 | Leeds | because it is actually potentially quite hard to fit all the install stuff on a couple of floppies, given the number of drivers you might need |
| 21:59.49 | dankolb | Yeah. Well, Slackware now needs about 5 or 6 floppies. |
| 21:59.52 | dankolb | 7.1 only needed 2 floppies |
| 22:00.18 | Leeds | I know - it sucks a bit |
| 22:00.19 | dankolb | OpenBSD only needs one floppy |
| 22:00.23 | dankolb | FreeBSD needs 2 |
| 22:00.31 | dankolb | Don't know about RedHat or Mandrake |
| 22:01.24 | Leeds | how good is openBSD x86 support? |
| 22:01.34 | Leeds | or freebsd for that matter... |
| 22:01.55 | dankolb | Generally very good |
| 22:02.08 | dankolb | Had better USB that Linux some time back |
| 22:02.21 | dankolb | And better wireless LAN, too. But Linux has caught up |
| 22:02.33 | Leeds | but on the install floppy(s)? can you install from USB, for example? |
| 22:02.44 | Leeds | or from a VFAT filesystem? |
| 22:02.46 | Leeds | etc... |
| 22:03.05 | dankolb | Fairly good on the install floppies. Some things need another disk, though. |
| 22:03.26 | Leeds | to just put a kernel and enough to access an IDE CD drive on a floppy isn't hard... to get netinstall, graphical install and so on on the floppy is hard |
| 22:03.30 | dankolb | Well, Open has got a bootdisk for PCMCIA support, one with SCSI, and one with generic (use one of the three) |
| 22:03.46 | dankolb | Slackware doesn't have a GUI installer. |
| 22:03.54 | dankolb | At least, I hope they haven't brought one in for 8.1 |
| 22:04.08 | Leeds | so to be fair, you should call that a 3-floppy install, on the basis that other OSs have all those in one install set |
| 22:04.13 | Leeds | no GUI install in slack |
| 22:05.07 | dankolb | No, you can't call it that. |
| 22:05.12 | dankolb | Because you only ever need one disk |
| 22:05.48 | dankolb | You have a choice of three, yes, but then you could call Slackware a 50-disk install :) |
| 22:06.12 | Leeds | okay, so they make a choice to make it slightly more complex in return for only needing one floppy, whereas other OSs make it simpler (you don't need to decide which to boot from) but with more disks |
| 22:06.49 | Leeds | I think a large majority of installs are done from CD nowadays anyway... when I was at SCO, the project I did most driving on was adding CD-based install to Unixware, and that was over 2 years ago |
| 22:06.59 | dankolb | Errr.....have you ever installed OpenBSD? |
| 22:07.54 | Leeds | nope |
| 22:08.03 | dankolb | It is actually one of the simplest ones to install. True, it doesn't have any fancy installers, but it leads you through the install very logically |
| 22:08.22 | dankolb | Ah. :) |
| 22:09.23 | Leeds | hang on a minute... |
| 22:09.31 | dankolb | Basically, once you boot up, it asks if you're sure you want to install. If you say yes, then it tells you to partition the disk, and edit the disklabel. Then format the disk, configure networking, choose the location of the packages (CD, NFS, HTTP, etc.), choose the packages. It goes, fetches, installs, and reboots |
| 22:09.53 | Leeds | and if you install from HTTP/NFS, you only need a single floppy? |
| 22:10.28 | dankolb | You only need a single floppy. |
| 22:11.06 | Leeds | that's pretty impressive, but I bet it doesn't have wide driver support |
| 22:11.16 | dankolb | It's got quite good support. |
| 22:11.56 | Leeds | to get a kernel, basic install tools and lots of drivers in 2Mb is good work |
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| 22:12.11 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 22:14.07 | dankolb | Urgh. I'm sorry if I'm sounding about OpenBSD like Debian people sound about Debian |
| 22:15.27 | Leeds | libc is by far the biggest thing on the slackware install FS |
| 22:15.36 | Leeds | 1178392 bytes |
| 22:15.54 | dankolb | That's the main problem, it seems. glibc just keeps growing and growing |
| 22:16.06 | dankolb | I'm sure a lot of the stuff they could take out and put into separate libraries |
| 22:16.21 | Leeds | there is the micro version, but I don't trust it... |
| 22:16.54 | Leeds | slack has mkfs for 5 filesystems there, and that's not small |
| 22:17.08 | dankolb | Linux is bloated. |
| 22:17.32 | Leeds | not particularly... |
| 22:17.42 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:17.46 | Leeds | but it's not really designed for use in really cramped situations |
| 22:18.15 | dankolb | I have a 2Gb drive. That's not that cramped |
| 22:18.40 | Leeds | you can get a running, interactive, 'PC-like' system in 16Mb of ROM on an iPAQ with a good couple of meg to spare - more if you use busybox |
| 22:18.40 | dankolb | And all I need is something to bootstrap the system, and it can pass control to the CD drive |
| 22:19.14 | Leeds | 2Gb is loads and loads of space for an OS... |
| 22:20.31 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 22:20.42 | dankolb | But I don't have 5 or 6 floppy disks handy to install Slackware |
| 22:21.11 | dankolb | Actually, one of the laptops I have, has got an install of OpenSewer 5 |
| 22:21.26 | Leeds | most things newer than a Pentium 100 have bootable CD support |
| 22:21.31 | dankolb | Yeah. These don't. |
| 22:21.41 | dankolb | Trust me - I've looked :) |
| 22:21.47 | Leeds | old old machines? |
| 22:21.59 | dankolb | Pentium 200 MMX, and a P133 |
| 22:22.12 | Leeds | I'm suprised... |
| 22:22.25 | dankolb | Yeah. But they're laptops, and laptops tend to be a bit behind |
| 22:22.25 | Leeds | 3 years ago, we did some surveying of machines in the office... |
| 22:22.33 | Leeds | oh, laptops... still suprised... |
| 22:23.06 | Leeds | floppies are obselete anyway... the only reason to ever use them is with a backwards OS install (like, say, Solaris) or a backwards machine |
| 22:23.24 | dankolb | Hmmm. |
| 22:23.34 | dankolb | Yeah, but floppies are really quite useful sometimes. |
| 22:23.37 | dankolb | Like Norton Ghost |
| 22:24.14 | Leeds | just use CDs |
| 22:25.08 | dankolb | It can't make bootable CDs. |
| 22:25.16 | dankolb | And most of the machines don't have CD writers |
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| 22:26.21 | dankolb | I tried making a bootable CD from the floppy image, but it didn't work |
| 22:26.42 | Leeds | that's a limitation on Ghost... |
| 22:26.55 | dankolb | Yeah, but it's *so* userful |
| 22:26.57 | dankolb | *useful |
| 22:26.58 | Leeds | and you only *need* one writer on the network, not one on every machine... |
| 22:27.01 | Leeds | I've never used it |
| 22:27.19 | dankolb | Yeah. Which means you still need a floppy disk to transfer the image :) |
| 22:27.44 | Leeds | and considering you can go and buy a 48x (!) CD writer for 40 quid... |
| 22:27.53 | dankolb | Really? |
| 22:28.01 | dankolb | We got a 44x writer for 80-ish quid |
| 22:29.04 | Leeds | well, my favourite 'benchmark' price place has it listed for 34.92 plus VAT |
| 22:29.11 | Leeds | ibot 34.92 * 1.175 |
| 22:29.12 | | 41.031 |
| 22:29.12 | dankolb | That's cool |
| 22:29.18 | dankolb | Mmmmm |
| 22:29.19 | Leeds | ibot thanks |
| 22:29.19 | | pas de quoi, Leeds |
| 22:29.45 | Leeds | handy having a calculator around :-) |
| 22:29.50 | dankolb | Yup |
| 22:30.26 | Leeds | or 33 quid + VAT from a place in Watford |
| 22:30.27 | dankolb | BTW, have a look at ftp.uk.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/3.2/i386/INSTALL.i386 |
| 22:30.34 | Leeds | but that's only 40x :-) |
| 22:30.51 | dankolb | That has a hardware support list, including saying which floppy disks contain drivers for which hardware |
| 22:31.00 | dankolb | 'only' heh |
| 22:31.44 | Leeds | no MCA support! :-) |
| 22:32.02 | dankolb | That's true. |
| 22:32.07 | dankolb | But I don't have any MCA machines :) |
| 22:32.34 | dankolb | Parallel-port zip drives are slightly more of an issue |
| 22:33.29 | dankolb | But I don't really use it much |
| 22:33.58 | Leeds | not a bad list... |
| 22:34.21 | dankolb | Yeah. It doesn't have the same hardware support that FreeBSD or Linux have, though |
| 22:34.40 | dankolb | Then again, Windows has even more hardware support :) |
| 22:35.09 | Leeds | dunno... my TV card works better in Linux than it ever did in Windows |
| 22:35.25 | dankolb | Is it on OpenBSD's supported hardware list? |
| 22:36.08 | Leeds | the generic driver for the chipset is, but my card isn't listed - and all cards need at least minimal specific support |
| 22:36.14 | dankolb | Ah right. |
| 22:36.22 | dankolb | It might work, then |
| 22:36.59 | dankolb | Oh yeah - ftp.uk.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/ |
| 22:37.05 | Leeds | doesn't bother me - I have no intention of playing with OpenBSD :-) |
| 22:37.17 | dankolb | Fair enough :) |
| 22:39.06 | dankolb | Ooh. I'm getting good speed from the modem |
| 22:39.34 | Leeds | me too... |
| 22:40.02 | dankolb | I want DSL, though |
| 22:40.14 | Leeds | me too... |
| 22:40.19 | Leeds | oh, wait... got it :-) |
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| 22:40.39 | Leeds | evening, Jenson |
| 22:40.46 | dankolb | Hey Jenson |
| 22:40.53 | Jenson | Hey Leeds, how are you? |
| 22:41.01 | Leeds | I'm good... |
| 22:41.01 | Jenson | Hey dankolb. |
| 22:41.02 | Leeds | you? |
| 22:41.10 | Jenson | Alright thanks. |
| 22:41.25 | Jenson | It's my birthday in anout 2 hours |
| 22:41.30 | Jenson | ^about |
| 22:41.34 | Leeds | woohoo! |
| 22:41.42 | Jenson | At my age I ought to be able to type lol |
| 22:41.46 | Leeds | drunk already, I see |
| 22:41.47 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:41.56 | Jenson | I am not drunk |
| 22:42.07 | Leeds | WHY NOT? |
| 22:42.11 | Jenson | Am not supposed to drink with the tablets I'm on. |
| 22:42.17 | Leeds | damn tablets... |
| 22:42.34 | Leeds | Jaffa Cake? |
| 22:42.34 | Jenson | Yeah, my thought exactly |
| 22:42.59 | Jenson | Actually it says 'have been found to have no effects with alcohol but is not recommended' |
| 22:43.39 | Jenson | there is always Red Bull but I only have one can |
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| 22:43.46 | Leeds | got anything important to do tomorrow? |
| 22:44.03 | dankolb | She's cloning |
| 22:44.07 | Jenson_ | WTF how did I just get disconnected lol |
| 22:44.30 | dankolb | Aha. BT's hating you today :) |
| 22:44.55 | Jenson | I think i shouldn't have pissed about with my firewall settings lol |
| 22:45.19 | dankolb | :) |
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| 22:45.46 | Leeds | screen/VNC |
| 22:46.52 | Jenson | or should I say thlIngan Hol |
| 22:46.59 | dankolb | wwwkli.org |
| 22:47.00 | Leeds | apparently it's something like "today is a good day to bite your ankles" - think Klingon hamster... |
| 22:47.05 | dankolb | www.kli.org even |
| 22:47.14 | dankolb | :-) |
| 22:47.16 | Jenson | I know that dan |
| 22:47.20 | Leeds | I just like the fact that Unicode has a range set aside for Klingon... |
| 22:47.30 | Jenson | I made an attempt to think about learning it. |
| 22:47.39 | Jenson | Google has Klingon as an official search language |
| 22:47.43 | dankolb | Yeah, and apparently you can get a qualification in it |
| 22:48.00 | Jenson | Yeah in Iowa I think. |
| 22:48.04 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:48.22 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:49.03 | Jenson | ^why did I refuse |
| 22:49.17 | Leeds | silly girl |
| 22:49.27 | dankolb | Ask Leeds nicely, and he'll get you a bagel |
| 22:49.43 | Leeds | not on a Friday night! it's the Sabbath!! |
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| 22:54.19 | Jenson | ibot hello |
| 22:54.19 | | hi, jenson |
| 22:54.23 | skugg | *note to self: go shopping tomorrow * |
| 22:55.29 | Jenson | *note to self: randomly re distribute people's notes to selves* |
| 22:55.50 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:57.41 | Leeds | "note to self: you smell - have a shower" |
| 22:57.56 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:57.56 | dankolb | Then the water will smell |
| 22:58.01 | Jenson | lol again |
| 22:58.21 | Jenson | ibot lart the smelly water |
| 22:59.31 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:59.39 | Leeds | heh |
| 22:59.47 | Jenson | I should be checking my mail. |
| 23:00.16 | dankolb | Heh |
| 23:01.04 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:01.06 | dankolb | :-) |
| 23:01.14 | Jenson | I don't think it knows if I'm here or not |
| 23:01.35 | dankolb | Hm. Shostakovich 10 seems rather melancholy |
| 23:02.06 | Jenson | No new mail. What fun. |
| 23:02.19 | dankolb | Awww |
| 23:03.05 | Leeds | Shost-what? |
| 23:03.30 | dankolb | Dmitri Shostakovich |
| 23:03.56 | dankolb | Symphony #10 |
| 23:03.58 | Jenson | Dimitri isn't it? |
| 23:04.18 | dankolb | Dmitri is the correct Russian spelling |
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| 23:04.38 | resudaed | hi |
| 23:04.42 | dankolb | Although it can be writted Dimitri |
| 23:04.50 | dankolb | Hi |
| 23:04.54 | Leeds | oh, right... |
| 23:05.07 | Leeds | culture... I've got the Simpsons on :-) |
| 23:05.09 | Jenson | Well seen as I'm not Russian and I don't do classical I wouldn't know.......I can spell Vladimir Illych Lenin and I don't think that's right. |
| 23:05.18 | dankolb | :-) |
| 23:05.21 | resudaed | does anyone know how a way to find out what port postgresql is using? |
| 23:05.35 | Leeds | resudaed: run "netstat -l -p" as root |
| 23:05.37 | dankolb | netstat -lp |
| 23:06.13 | dankolb | Yeah, but Lenin wasn't his real name, IIRC |
| 23:07.31 | Jenson | But Vladimir Illych was |
| 23:07.37 | Jenson | I forget his real name. |
| 23:07.49 | dankolb | Ulyanov |
| 23:08.01 | Leeds | Smith |
| 23:08.03 | dankolb | Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov |
| 23:08.11 | dankolb | Ilyin, even |
| 23:08.17 | dankolb | Or, er, |
| 23:08.28 | Jenson | lol I like the quote I just read 'WIN98SE is inherently unstable' as if I didn't know. |
| 23:08.38 | resudaed | now I am confused, it's not listed |
| 23:08.38 | dankolb | Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov |
| 23:08.42 | Jenson | Fuck it man I can spell Commie lol |
| 23:08.58 | dankolb | It was perfectly stable for me |
| 23:09.11 | resudaed | yet I know it's running, because I can use psql |
| 23:09.14 | Leeds | it can't crash if you don't run it... |
| 23:09.34 | dankolb | Are you running it on a remote machine? |
| 23:09.39 | dankolb | If not, it's probably using sockets |
| 23:09.46 | resudaed | no, is on my own machine |
| 23:10.04 | resudaed | these is only one linux box on the network |
| 23:11.13 | resudaed | but I cannot connect to it other than through psql |
| 23:12.33 | Jenson | I prefer Win 95 to 98SE but I suppose thats coz the stuff I ran with 95 wasn't so complex therefore didn't cause problems. |
| 23:13.36 | resudaed | the only half decent release of windows was 2k Server Edition (IMHO) |
| 23:14.15 | dankolb | W2k Pro wasn't too bad |
| 23:14.19 | Jenson | IME 3.1 was good. But that could be coz I was a lot younger and I don't remeber it much lol |
| 23:14.19 | dankolb | I use W2k server at work |
| 23:15.01 | resudaed | pro wasn't bad, but I started with advanced server, so pro was a bit of a come down |
| 23:15.18 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:15.40 | resudaed | was 2k not the first version to use fully qualified domains? |
| 23:18.54 | resudaed | ok, n00b style question, postgresql is listening on a UNIX domain socket, would anyone happen to know how to make it listen on a reqular port (but it still isn't remote) |
| 23:19.08 | dankolb | Nope. Don't use pgsql |
| 23:19.30 | resudaed | you reckon MySQL? |
| 23:19.45 | dankolb | I use it. Doesn't mean everyone else should, though |
| 23:20.50 | dankolb | Postgres has more features, but MySQL tends to be faster |
| 23:20.55 | Leeds | RTFM |
| 23:21.12 | Jenson | lol Leeds that isn't polite. |
| 23:21.20 | resudaed | I use it on the win boxes, but it came as part of the RH7.2 distro, SQL being SQL, I didn't think it would be too much to use pgsql |
| 23:21.23 | dankolb | What? Read The Fine Manual? |
| 23:21.25 | Leeds | read the funky manual? what's not polite? :-) |
| 23:21.40 | Jenson | now funky is a new one on me |
| 23:21.44 | dankolb | SQL is SQL, unless it's Oracle, or MSSQL, or PGSQL, or MySQL |
| 23:21.48 | Jenson | RTFineM I've heard before |
| 23:22.01 | Leeds | SQL is SQL, but configuration isn't |
| 23:22.13 | resudaed | yeah, but I cannot get PHP to access it without knowing a port number |
| 23:22.13 | Leeds | and there are optional SQL features |
| 23:22.37 | dankolb | There isn't even a standard way of listing tables |
| 23:24.04 | Jenson | I'm getting a new TV and video tomorrow. I still need another computer but I'll get there lol |
| 23:24.57 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:25.27 | resudaed | don't we all, I am still only at 500MHz (and that's clocked from 400) |
| 23:25.51 | Jenson | You'll know when I've got another computer/started running Linux coz I'll be going mad coz I won't understand |
| 23:25.52 | Leeds | 2x550 |
| 23:26.06 | Leeds | Jenson: that's when we all vanish into the corner to laugh at you... |
| 23:26.11 | dankolb | Run Solaris. Then you'll go even madder |
| 23:26.12 | Jenson | Well this is a 700MHz but it's my dads mine is a 90MHz so I need something better. |
| 23:26.19 | Jenson | No doubt Leeds. |
| 23:26.25 | Leeds | dankolb: yes, you're right |
| 23:26.32 | dankolb | Hmm.... |
| 23:26.33 | resudaed | you can pick up a 133 for £25 |
| 23:26.40 | dankolb | Ah yes. That's what I wanted to ask you, Leeds. |
| 23:26.48 | resudaed | 64MB ram, CD, NIC |
| 23:26.51 | Leeds | uh oh |
| 23:26.52 | dankolb | Can Solaris 8 be booted off floppies? |
| 23:26.55 | Jenson | Windows only drives me mad coz it's so unstable |
| 23:26.56 | dankolb | (installation off CD) |
| 23:27.02 | Leeds | of course... |
| 23:27.15 | Leeds | hang on - you mean booted off or installed off? |
| 23:27.23 | dankolb | I have a CD drive in the laptop |
| 23:27.30 | dankolb | But it doesn't support booting |
| 23:27.38 | Jenson | That and roday I realized that all the bits that say 'for advanced users only' I don't understand and that I ought to learn them before I change OS. |
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| 23:33.13 | Leeds | X driver support isn't great unless you dump xf86 on there |
| 23:33.15 | Jenson | At this rate I'm not gonna have any Internet in my room. My dad keeps saying 'will put the phone cable in later' It'll never get done. |
| 23:33.16 | dankolb | Aww |
| 23:33.16 | dankolb | Ask a stupid one, then |
| 23:33.16 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:33.16 | dankolb | Is xf86 on the CCD? |
| 23:33.16 | Leeds | nope |
| 23:33.16 | dankolb | Damn. |
| 23:33.16 | Leeds | there are no stupid questions, just inquisitive idiots |
| 23:33.17 | Jenson | I wanted to know that because we use BT Internet I'd have to run Win98SE and Mandrake 9 as dual boot or it BtInternet supported by Mandrake.....or am I confused? |
| 23:33.17 | resudaed | I sabotaged the internet connection, and said to my gullable parents, if I run it through my room, and network to theirs, it should work again |
| 23:33.17 | resudaed | it worked |
| 23:33.17 | Jenson | lol Leeds |
| 23:33.17 | dankolb | BT just uses a standard PAP/CHAP connection |
| 23:33.17 | Leeds | Jenson: Mandrake will be fine |
| 23:33.17 | dankolb | It'll work under any OS that supports it. |
| 23:33.18 | resudaed | then I moved out and invested in 1Mbit |
| 23:33.21 | dankolb | i.e. almost any with a PPP Stack |
| 23:33.34 | Jenson | Design a piece of idiot proof software and the genetic pool will design a better idiot |
| 23:34.15 | Jenson | lol dan |
| 23:34.23 | Leeds | heh |
| 23:35.00 | Jenson | I would netwrok when I get another pc......but it would mean more cables and I don't know anything about networking |
| 23:35.10 | Jenson | ^network |
| 23:35.15 | dankolb | Networking is easy to learn |
| 23:35.22 | Jenson | dammit I write netwrok and have to correct it everytime |
| 23:35.32 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:35.38 | Leeds | Jenson: do you know tldp.org? |
| 23:35.41 | resudaed | unless you use windows, then you have to restart every time you change anything |
| 23:35.54 | dankolb | Unless you don't |
| 23:36.03 | Jenson | No Leeds. |
| 23:36.23 | Leeds | it's a large sea of docs which you're going to learn to swim in... |
| 23:36.40 | dankolb | Especially when we here don't have the answer :) |
| 23:36.46 | Jenson | Bit like my folder of weird notepad files then. |
| 23:36.57 | resudaed | one of the many reasons I don't anymore. still always getting a copy of later reeases just incase I need to update myself |
| 23:37.07 | resudaed | ^releases |
| 23:37.11 | Jenson | dan mate if you here don't have the answer then I'm not going to understand it. |
| 23:37.20 | dankolb | :-) |
| 23:37.40 | dankolb | Yeah, but I'm not really running Linux, and haven't done much since leaving Uni |
| 23:37.50 | Leeds | don't worry - you're not going to understand the answer anyway :-) |
| 23:37.57 | eye69 | Evening |
| 23:38.00 | Jenson | Well Leeds that's probably ture |
| 23:38.00 | dankolb | Hi eye69 |
| 23:38.04 | Jenson | Hey eye69 |
| 23:38.06 | eye69 | Hello Dan |
| 23:38.09 | Leeds | evening, eye69 |
| 23:38.15 | eye69 | ...and Jenson |
| 23:38.18 | eye69 | ...and Leeds, too |
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| 23:46.01 | dankolb | Leeds: Does Sol8 support PCMCIA devices? |
| 23:46.01 | Leeds | I think so... |
| 23:46.01 | Leeds | the laptop support isn't hugely amazing... |
| 23:46.02 | dankolb | They don't seem to be anything special |
| 23:46.14 | Leeds | I don't have a laptop, so I've never done it... but a lot of our laptops at work are running Windows :-( |
| 23:46.22 | Jenson | What does PCMCIA actually stand for......graphics related isn't it...or am I confused again? |
| 23:46.34 | dankolb | People Can't Memorise Computer Industry Acronyms |
| 23:46.53 | dankolb | Trident Cyber 9385 video chipset |
| 23:47.31 | Leeds | something like Personal Computer Mobile Card Interface Association... |
| 23:47.48 | Jenson | I prefer dans version.....I'll remeber that lol |
| 23:47.57 | dankolb | Or PC Card, as it's known now :) |
| 23:47.57 | Leeds | Personal Computer Memory Card International Association |
| 23:48.03 | Leeds | I was close - www.pcmcia.org |
| 23:48.05 | dankolb | Leeds: Yeh. |
| 23:48.10 | Leeds | dankolb: PC-Card != PCMCIA |
| 23:48.14 | dankolb | I know |
| 23:48.21 | Leeds | same interface, different bus |
| 23:48.23 | dankolb | But they're used interchangingly nowadays |
| 23:48.45 | Leeds | not by iPAQ people :-) iPAQ does PCMCIA, not PC-card :-( |
| 23:49.08 | Leeds | it's one of the first responses to "I can't get this card to work" - "Does it say PC Card anywhere?" |
| 23:50.25 | Leeds | Jenson: which one? :-) |
| 23:50.33 | Jenson | The one I won't remember lol |
| 23:51.38 | resudaed | what port does MySQL use?? :) |
| 23:52.27 | dankolb | 3306 |
| 23:52.32 | dankolb | (IIRC) |
| 23:52.52 | dankolb | Hm. Shostakovich has finished |
| 23:53.01 | dankolb | grep mysql /etc/services |
| 23:53.08 | dankolb | (or grep -i mysql) |
| 23:53.09 | Jenson | I hate my mouse mat, it won't keep still lately. |
| 23:53.19 | Jenson | Keep moving the whole mat and not the mouse. |
| 23:53.48 | Jenson | :P good idea |
| 23:54.40 | resudaed | finally, works now :-) sorry jenson, but netstat only told me that mysql was using the port 'mysql'. I had to ask |
| 23:54.50 | dankolb | netstat -n |
| 23:54.57 | Jenson | Oh it's my birthday i 1 minute lol |
| 23:54.59 | Jenson | ^in |
| 23:55.04 | dankolb | I min. 15 sec |
| 23:55.07 | Leeds | I've got blu-tac on the bottom of mine |
| 23:55.34 | dankolb | So it's accurate :-P |
| 23:55.44 | resudaed | I used to have a radio controlled car |
| 23:55.53 | Jenson | Yeah well my comuter was losing time but its stopped doing that now. |
| 23:56.23 | resudaed | my laptop loses time by about 5 minutes an hour |
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| 23:57.13 | eye69 | When my dad came down to visit me he had bought a radio controlled clock for me in Sweden...it couldn't be set to a different timezone... |
| 23:57.27 | eye69 | It was cheap though...~5 |
| 23:57.39 | dankolb | Ah |
| 23:57.42 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:57.44 | dankolb | ibot lart BT |
| 23:58.07 | Leeds | Jenson: happy birthday :-) |
| 23:58.10 | Jenson | ty |
| 23:58.31 | eye69 | Oh, is it that day? Congrats! |
| 23:58.52 | Leeds | feeling old and adult? |
| 23:59.02 | eye69 | How adult is Jenson? |
| 23:59.04 | Jenson | I've remebered another intelligent question I had |
| 23:59.16 | Jenson | What's the support like for cordless mice in Linux? |
| 23:59.19 | Jenson | 18 eye |
| 23:59.30 | dankolb | There's nothing special about cordless mice |
| 23:59.32 | eye69 | Jenson: Good |
| 23:59.54 | Jenson | No dan I know there isn't but I like them lol |