| 00:02.33 | Leeds | I've heard of them... I know that song, I think |
| 00:03.13 | dankolb | # Mud, mud, glorious mud, nothing quite like it for cooling the blood |
| 00:03.20 | dankolb | One of the choruses they sing in Russian |
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| 00:04.10 | Leeds | oh yeah... |
| 00:05.15 | dankolb | :-) |
| 00:13.04 | dankolb | Right. I think I should be off to the land of nod |
| 00:13.11 | Leeds | g'night |
| 00:13.33 | dankolb | 'night |
| 00:13.38 | dankolb | See you tomorrow, probably :) |
| 00:20.38 | skugg | night night |
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| 02:25.07 | skugg | resudaed, that's a lie |
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| 10:19.21 | highbury | morning |
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| 10:45.17 | Tarragon | Had a good talk at the South Cheshire LUG last night. Chap from Joderel Bank radio telescope came and explained how they use Linux. Very enthusiastic especially about his big beowulf cluster. 182 CPUs 1.2Intels half with 512MB the rest 1GB Ram |
| 10:48.14 | SpudUAway | Do they really need all of that computing power just to figure out how to empty the dish once it has filled with rain water? |
| 10:49.50 | Davilion | heh, |
| 10:59.51 | Tarragon | Well me being stupid I actual asked the question. There is a six inch hole that lets the water out. Apparently when it really rains this is a very forceful column of water. |
| 11:02.39 | Davilion | heh |
| 11:02.53 | Davilion | how big is the dish? quite large i take it? |
| 11:14.04 | SpudUAway | OK, seen the bond film. It was just a bit toooooo fanciful for my liking, just toooo fantastic. In fact, I have high hopes that Two Towers will be more in realty. |
| 11:14.35 | Davilion | heh |
| 11:14.50 | Davilion | i havent seen that yet, mighttry and go tonight |
| 11:15.21 | Tarragon | They have a 7m dish you can play with over the Internet, a 42" dish and the 218' lovell big dish |
| 11:15.42 | Davilion | cool.. |
| 11:18.00 | Tarragon | What is the most popular long running Linux web-site that explains how to do things? |
| 11:18.10 | SpudUAway | Be more interesting to know the volume of the big dish. Can we work that out? Is the parabola some standard for satellite dishes? |
| 11:18.57 | Davilion | www.linuxdoc.org |
| 11:19.28 | Davilion | SpudUAway: not sure, i guess so, since ultimately it has to reflect all waves intot he center of the dish |
| 11:21.49 | SpudUAway | Anyway, in the Bond film, I'd not seen the butler do it since Goldfinger. |
| 11:22.31 | Davilion | heh |
| 11:23.53 | SpudUAway | I wouldn't want to spoil it for anyone, but right at the end...... |
| 11:24.01 | SpudUAway | ....Bond saves the day. |
| 11:26.13 | SpudUAway | I was stunned myself. I didn't see that one coming. |
| 11:26.58 | Davilion | yeah he's sneaky |
| 11:33.48 | Tarragon | Look on the bright side - you have now saved us the expense of seeing it. - Hold on - aren't we meant to look out for the women? Are there none? |
| 11:34.53 | SpudUAway | Yup, good point, there are women. Each of them have good points. |
| 11:34.54 | Davilion | isnt Halli Berri quite cute? |
| 11:35.12 | Davilion | SpudUAway: 2 good points i imagine :) |
| 11:35.52 | SpudUAway | Err, in the main, yes. |
| 11:36.06 | Davilion | <aol> /me checks there arent any */F/* in the channel before ducking and running </> |
| 11:36.16 | SpudUAway | From those points that stood out, anyway. |
| 11:36.25 | Davilion | heh |
| 11:37.42 | SpudUAway | Halli's cute, not the cutest to my mind tho. Anyway, none of them can touch Jill St John for cuteness. |
| 11:38.51 | Davilion | prrr |
| 11:42.42 | SpudUAway | I think this home shopping delivery thing is taking off. Road where my mother lives, only about 200M long, but, on Friday it had vans delivering from Tesco, Iceland, Sainsbury and Ocado. All of them eyeing each other up like the Mexican standoff scene between the RAC and AA in the film 'The 7 Deadly Sins'. |
| 11:43.23 | Davilion | heh |
| 11:43.36 | Davilion | home shopping is fantastic |
| 11:44.54 | Davilion | i quite often get tesco to deliver |
| 11:46.30 | SpudUAway | You need to play them off against each other to get maximum vouchers. |
| 11:46.57 | Davilion | heh |
| 11:47.16 | Davilion | not sure how many deliver in leam, i think we have a sainsbury's and a tesco, |
| 11:47.39 | Davilion | Here its just tesco, scummerfield don't do internet orders, and even if they did i wouldnt buy off them. |
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| 13:22.57 | Davilion | morning Leeds |
| 13:23.04 | Leeds | afternoon :-) |
| 13:25.46 | Davilion | hows it going? |
| 13:31.03 | Leeds | okay... |
| 13:32.13 | Leeds | working on some python - I volunteered to do a mass mailing (it's a charity thing - purely 'opt-in' - it's to confirm to speakers at a conference when their sessions are), and the guy with the list is sending it to me in excel format - three columns: "To Name", "To Address", "Text" |
| 13:32.40 | Leeds | the best way I've found to get the data out is to load it up in OpenOffice and save as native (i.e. XML) |
| 13:33.06 | Leeds | I *should* do proper XML parsing on the resulting file, but I'm going to parse it by hand :-) |
| 13:33.41 | Leeds | how's by you? |
| 13:39.03 | Tarragon | Presume you just want to delete the final column then save as CSV for a mail-merge. |
| 13:43.44 | Leeds | the problem is that the final column is somewhat formatted - it's got newlines and indents in it |
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| 13:43.56 | Leeds | and no other export format seemed to keep that information safely |
| 13:44.03 | Leeds | afternoon... |
| 13:44.07 | Jenson | Hi Leeds |
| 13:44.39 | Leeds | the other problem - which I'll ask the other guy to deal with - is that it looks like he's got smartquotes on :-( |
| 13:46.41 | Jenson | How do you find out what make of CDROM drive you have on a computer if there is no OS installed? |
| 13:47.31 | Leeds | does it really matter? all IDE cd drives are pretty much interchangable... |
| 13:48.04 | Leeds | alternatively, break out the screwdriver :-) |
| 13:48.22 | Jenson | Well I thought there might be a lazy alternative :) |
| 13:48.37 | Jenson | I have to find out which boot disk I need for Slackware. |
| 13:49.02 | Leeds | Slackware? jumping in at the deep end? :-) |
| 13:49.08 | Jenson | Yeah |
| 13:49.24 | Leeds | unless it's an old and/or weird machine, it's almost certainly just a standard IDE drive |
| 13:49.32 | Leeds | can't you boot from the CD? |
| 13:49.58 | Jenson | I don't know yet. I had to find a monitor power cable first. Now my dad has found one of those I can see. |
| 13:50.47 | Jenson | It says on Slackware.com that you must have a bootdisk to install. |
| 13:51.00 | Leeds | nope |
| 13:51.16 | Leeds | in fact, with the newest Slackware, it's pretty hard to install from floppy |
| 13:51.39 | Jenson | Right well I'm going to go and look at it. No doub't I'll be back in 2 mins looking at more help files. |
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| 14:08.15 | Tarragon | Arrgh - Done it again. Just spent a couple of hours trying to change files about wondering where all my SuSE stuff has gone. Just been told that in a fit of pique on Friday I had swapped HD's to an old Mandy system. Two days later I could not tell. Now I have to swap back and undo damage. |
| 14:10.07 | Davilion | Leeds: im good, just tring to sort out bits ofperl i wrote which now for no apparent reason has a blcoking wait in a thread which shouldnt have processor control in the first place |
| 14:10.16 | Davilion | and now im off to lunch |
| 14:10.52 | Leeds | Perl - that's the stuff which is unreadable 5 minutes after writing it, right? :-) |
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| 14:21.40 | Leeds | any luck? |
| 14:24.16 | Jenson | I didn't try. |
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| 14:27.50 | formi | hi geezers |
| 14:30.02 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 14:31.13 | Jenson | Hi formi. |
| 14:32.35 | formi | great night life in here |
| 14:32.43 | formi | and cheap good food |
| 14:36.19 | Leeds | where are you? |
| 14:36.31 | Leeds | ah, Prague |
| 14:37.09 | formi | nice city |
| 14:43.03 | formi | we are at the uni campus |
| 14:43.23 | formi | and we have a class with 10 w2k directly connected to the internet |
| 14:43.34 | Leeds | a class? a room? |
| 14:43.45 | formi | room, sorry |
| 14:44.23 | Leeds | just wondering if you were taking classes there :-) |
| 14:46.54 | formi | more or less |
| 14:57.09 | skugg | //l//;l////aoeuaoeu |
| 14:57.17 | skugg | ugh, sorry :P |
| 14:57.26 | skugg | problems with my keyboard... |
| 14:57.55 | skugg | or, rather, accidentally pressing ctrl-s and not realising |
| 15:10.23 | formi | 500 kbs not bad |
| 15:11.44 | Jenson | Hi skugg. |
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| 15:16.53 | skugg | hi jenson |
| 15:17.04 | Leeds | nope - she's gone |
| 15:22.23 | skugg | oh well |
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| 16:12.41 | Leeds | that was either serious thunder or a train crash... |
| 16:13.08 | skugg | thunder I think |
| 16:13.12 | skugg | i heard it too. |
| 16:13.13 | SpudUAway | Well, we have thunder here. |
| 16:14.10 | Leeds | so it was thunder then... |
| 16:15.46 | skugg | well, better that than teh alternative |
| 16:16.23 | Leeds | exactly |
| 16:20.25 | Leeds | biiiigggg thunder... |
| 16:30.43 | eye69 | Anybody have any tips on where to get a nice 8 or 16 port switch? |
| 16:30.47 | eye69 | 10/100 |
| 16:30.59 | eye69 | Doesn't have to be manageble |
| 16:41.09 | skugg | eye69, TCR? |
| 16:41.47 | eye69 | skugg: Yeah, I guess. |
| 16:41.53 | eye69 | I still haven't been there. |
| 16:42.21 | skugg | no? once in a while you can get a really good offer |
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| 16:42.45 | skugg | oh, one of my housemates must be downloading something now... my connection is lagging badly |
| 16:42.48 | eye69 | I'm going to nag my boss first though. He was going to give me a combined AP/switch |
| 16:42.59 | skugg | i'm about two words ahead when typing :) |
| 16:43.16 | Davilion | heh. |
| 16:43.18 | Davilion | Evening all |
| 16:43.36 | eye69 | Evening |
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| 16:51.05 | skugg | evening |
| 17:03.05 | Davilion | evening |
| 17:07.05 | skugg | i think you said that already |
| 17:16.06 | Davilion | yeah possibly |
| 17:16.11 | Davilion | X has crashed twice today |
| 17:24.53 | skugg | impressive |
| 17:27.18 | Davilion | yeah im not sure if its a result of running out of memory, can' see anything in the logs or user stupidity or a wierd bug or what |
| 18:50.02 | skugg | damn. i've lost my tt-fonts in debian on one of my laptops. I cannot find the cause for it. |
| 18:50.25 | skugg | reverted all font packages to no avail, have the same x-packages in on both machines... |
| 18:50.37 | skugg | same version of mozilla |
| 18:50.39 | skugg | hm. |
| 20:02.52 | skugg | oh well. i rummaged round like crazy, and now it suddenly works again. don't know what i did, but i'm going to leave it at that |
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| 21:07.33 | dankolb | ibot insult all operating systems |
| 21:11.09 | dankolb | ibot plurals |
| 21:11.10 | | dankolb: wish i knew |
| 21:11.18 | dankolb | It shows |
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| 21:12.53 | dankolb | Hi |
| 21:13.03 | Jenson | Hi |
| 21:13.09 | Leeds | ibot insult jenson |
| 21:13.18 | Leeds | what! who said that??? |
| 21:13.37 | dankolb | Why do all OSes fucking suck? |
| 21:13.45 | Jenson | lol Leeds thank you! |
| 21:13.58 | Jenson | Still in a bad mood with Slackware dan? |
| 21:14.10 | dankolb | With all OSes |
| 21:15.24 | Jenson | Very clever. |
| 21:15.42 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:15.46 | dankolb | I already have one |
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| 21:16.18 | Leeds | how the fuck did Diana end up in the top 10 Britons thing? |
| 21:16.33 | dankolb | Because people are fucking stupid |
| 21:16.40 | dankolb | She was #2 for a long time |
| 21:16.55 | dankolb | Yeesh. One lasting mark, which is probably painted over by now. |
| 21:17.04 | dankolb | And she gets into Great Britons |
| 21:17.08 | Leeds | I mean, how can you compare her to Newton, Shakespeare, Brunel, Churchill... |
| 21:17.19 | dankolb | Simple. People are fuckwits. |
| 21:17.26 | Leeds | pure sentimental nostalgia |
| 21:18.06 | dankolb | Newton is way ahead of her in nostalgia terms |
| 21:18.24 | dankolb | And what about Robert Hooke? If it wasn't for his work with springs, you wouldn't have any suspension in your cars |
| 21:18.27 | Jenson | She wasn't a great Briton |
| 21:18.34 | Jenson | Sorry late reply...was getting food |
| 21:18.53 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:19.20 | dankolb | What was the case made for her, anyway? |
| 21:19.25 | dankolb | What points made her a Great Briton? |
| 21:19.49 | Leeds | 'Diana didn't have great abilities and she certainly had no towering intellect. Yet she knew that we all yearn to be loved, that we mourn for a world where gentleness rules over aggression and power should always be a force for good.' |
| 21:19.57 | dankolb | Oh for fucks sake. |
| 21:20.00 | dankolb | Really. |
| 21:20.08 | Leeds | she's pretty and died as a martyr... nothing more than that |
| 21:20.17 | dankolb | She didn't die as a martyr |
| 21:20.22 | dankolb | She died in a car accident. That's it. |
| 21:20.52 | Leeds | but, but, but - she was the "queen of hearts"! she did a bit of campaigning against landmines... |
| 21:21.05 | Jenson | Lots of people die in car accidents |
| 21:21.34 | dankolb | Lots of people campaign about landmines too |
| 21:21.49 | dankolb | Anyway, if people are stupid enough to walk into a field filled with landmines.... |
| 21:21.52 | eye69 | Nice to know that not everyone in the UK are blind royalists |
| 21:22.20 | dankolb | I have nothing against the Royal Family. It's nice to have some sort of institution to set us apart from the Americans |
| 21:22.34 | dankolb | But they're not Great Britons |
| 21:22.45 | dankolb | They haven't done anything really lasting |
| 21:22.51 | Leeds | I have nothing against the royal family - I think, most of the time, they do a pretty good job as a real-life soap opera and tourist attraction |
| 21:22.56 | Jenson | The Royal family is left offer from a backward imperialist era. |
| 21:23.32 | Leeds | I'd rather have the Queen as a representative of the UK than Tony Blair :-) |
| 21:23.41 | Jenson | Good point. |
| 21:23.44 | dankolb | Agree with you completely there, Leeds |
| 21:24.13 | dankolb | At least the Queen's been in her position for 50 years. Prime Ministers come and go. And still have no fucking clue. |
| 21:24.24 | Jenson | That's why they come and go... |
| 21:24.34 | dankolb | Yes....but Tony Blair.....second term. |
| 21:24.35 | dankolb | ARGH. |
| 21:24.43 | dankolb | Probably the same people who voted for Diana |
| 21:24.50 | Jenson | Yeah... |
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| 21:25.26 | davilion | Evening |
| 21:25.27 | Jenson | When Diana died my parents made me watch the fucking funeral. |
| 21:25.33 | Jenson | Hey davilion. |
| 21:25.45 | dankolb | Hi davilion |
| 21:25.49 | Leeds | Jenson: you seen Amelie? |
| 21:26.03 | Jenson | No Leeds. |
| 21:26.14 | Leeds | well, you should, apart from anything else :-) |
| 21:26.27 | dankolb | I don't think I watched the funeral. |
| 21:26.37 | Leeds | it sort of starts from Diana dying, but uses it simply as a trigger |
| 21:28.13 | Jenson | I don't think I paid attention dan |
| 21:28.14 | dankolb | Yeah, it's sad that she died, leaving two kids. Fair enough. BUT LEAVE IT AT THAT, DAMMIT |
| 21:28.14 | Jenson | I mean how many people does that happen to? |
| 21:28.14 | Leeds | it's not like the kids are wanting for anything... apart from a mother, which is a big deal, but not unique |
| 21:28.14 | dankolb | They've got Camilla Parker-Bowles |
| 21:28.14 | dankolb | ...maybe they'd be better off without a mother in that case |
| 21:28.14 | Leeds | step-mum isn't the same, anyway |
| 21:28.14 | Jenson | That was what I was thinking |
| 21:28.14 | Leeds | Diana was a nutter... |
| 21:28.28 | dankolb | Wasn't she accused of having various affairs, anyway? |
| 21:28.34 | Jenson | I expect so. |
| 21:28.36 | Leeds | proved... |
| 21:28.39 | dankolb | Yeah, way to go, Great Briton. Fucking good example to set. |
| 21:28.55 | Jenson | Man how did we get so fucking fixated on this issue? |
| 21:29.20 | Leeds | sorry - my fault... I had Top Gear on and Clarkson did a plug for it at the end... |
| 21:29.37 | Jenson | Clarkson makes me laugh. |
| 21:29.43 | dankolb | He's good. |
| 21:30.09 | dankolb | Who's top Great Briton ATM? |
| 21:31.31 | Leeds | Churchill, I think |
| 21:31.44 | dankolb | Okay. Reasonably, I guess. |
| 21:31.55 | dankolb | *reasonable |
| 21:32.01 | Jenson | That would be the Britians still fixating on the war, but I suppose that's to be expected. |
| 21:32.22 | Leeds | yeah - can't really complain about that... |
| 21:32.24 | dankolb | Why wasn't Babbage in the list? If it wasn't for him......computer......etc. |
| 21:32.55 | Leeds | babbage never actually acheived a huge amount - he was a visionary, not not a very sucessful one... |
| 21:33.16 | dankolb | Even so... |
| 21:33.34 | dankolb | Were Watson & Crick USians or UKians? |
| 21:33.37 | Leeds | Turing is 21st |
| 21:33.59 | Leeds | Babbage is 80th |
| 21:34.19 | dankolb | So at least not everyone is a fuckwit. Good. |
| 21:34.29 | Leeds | and Tim Berners-Lee is 99th :-) |
| 21:34.46 | dankolb | :-) |
| 21:34.57 | dankolb | Urg. Have you read the comments about Diana? |
| 21:34.59 | Leeds | J.K. Rowling is 83rd :-( |
| 21:35.13 | dankolb | What about Tolkien, then? |
| 21:35.22 | Jenson | Where you guys reading this from? |
| 21:35.29 | davilion | amelie is a fantastic film |
| 21:35.40 | Leeds | top 100 list at http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/greatbritons/list.shtml |
| 21:35.44 | dankolb | Aha |
| 21:35.51 | Leeds | Tolkein 92nd |
| 21:35.56 | dankolb | Bwee? |
| 21:35.59 | Jenson | Thans |
| 21:36.04 | dankolb | Below JKR? |
| 21:36.05 | Jenson | ^Thanks |
| 21:36.08 | dankolb | That can't be right |
| 21:36.09 | Leeds | yup... |
| 21:36.30 | dankolb | Admittedly, she did get more people reading than Tolkien did |
| 21:36.45 | Leeds | ah - JKR wrote 4 kids books - far better than a ridiculously intelligent scholar of languages and mythology who created an entire universe... |
| 21:37.26 | dankolb | JKR created some universe |
| 21:37.53 | Leeds | David Beckham 33rd :-( |
| 21:37.59 | dankolb | ARG |
| 21:38.04 | Jenson | Fucking hell....he's a wanker |
| 21:38.11 | Leeds | oh, JKR created some universe, but it has *nothing* in comparison with the depth of JRRT's universe |
| 21:38.43 | Jenson | I've never read anything by JRRT |
| 21:38.45 | Leeds | I'm waiting to see Clarkson hit someone :-) |
| 21:38.50 | Leeds | Jenson: seen the film? |
| 21:38.56 | Jenson | I've only read one Harry Potter book to. |
| 21:38.59 | Jenson | No Leeds. |
| 21:39.34 | Leeds | if you can't read the book (it's pretty heavy and deep), see the film - they did a pretty good job - see the extended edition if you can |
| 21:40.29 | Jenson | I'm lazy when it comes to books....I like Star Trek books coz they're easy to relate to. |
| 21:40.40 | Jenson | I watch too much Star Trek lol |
| 21:41.10 | dankolb | I never liked the Trek books |
| 21:41.14 | Leeds | Hang on... Douglas Adams isn't in the top 100! |
| 21:41.34 | Leeds | Travesty! |
| 21:41.40 | dankolb | He wasn't compassionate like Diana |
| 21:41.53 | dankolb | Who's Owain Glyndwr? |
| 21:42.13 | Leeds | I read a few trek books a few years back - they did the job of keeping me sane |
| 21:42.18 | dankolb | :-) |
| 21:42.31 | Leeds | all the names have links to information about them, don't they? |
| 21:42.59 | Jenson | yeah |
| 21:42.59 | Leeds | ah - he was a revolting Welshman, I think |
| 21:43.24 | dankolb | <anne robinson> aren't they all? </a> |
| 21:43.47 | Leeds | Diana was a little rich girl playing at caring... |
| 21:45.08 | Leeds | she died in the same week as Mother Teresa who (political issues nonwithstanding) gave her name as a byword for caring and kindness... and no-one noticed that she'd died... |
| 21:45.46 | dankolb | Is MT in the Great Britons list? |
| 21:45.59 | Leeds | not British, Indian, AFAIK |
| 21:46.15 | dankolb | She worked in India |
| 21:46.26 | dankolb | Don't think she was Indian, though |
| 21:46.46 | Leeds | Mother Teresa was born in Skopje in what is now Yugoslavia* on August 27, 1910. Her original name was Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu. |
| 21:46.52 | Leeds | http://www.nobel.se/peace/laureates/1979/teresa-bio.html |
| 21:46.59 | dankolb | ARG. Why is John Peel in the list? |
| 21:47.30 | dankolb | ibot insults mothers wanting to use phones |
| 21:47.30 | | dankolb: are you smoking crack? |
| 21:47.36 | dankolb | ibot insult mothers wanting to use phones |
| 21:47.40 | Leeds | I like the fact that the Unknown Warrior is in there :-) |
| 21:47.56 | dankolb | Anyway, I'll be back when dear mother gets off the phone |
| 21:47.57 | Jenson | That confused me. |
| 21:47.59 | dankolb | Bye for now |
| 21:48.17 | skugg | david beckham above JRRT ... what is the world coming to :((( |
| 21:48.31 | Jenson | I HATE Beckham. |
| 21:48.39 | skugg | Jenson, you're not alone. |
| 21:49.32 | skugg | altohugh i have no special reason to do so, he's just the target of my dislike for stupid fuckwits that earn too much money for doing more or less nothing at all. |
| 21:50.16 | Jenson | Yeah. Firefighters fight fire and get shit pay, Beckham kicks a ball and gets loads. |
| 21:50.27 | skugg | amen. |
| 21:50.55 | Leeds | you see all these people on the BBC message boards saying "I didn't get a pay rise this year - why should the firemen?" |
| 21:51.02 | Jenson | Maybe they should tax Beckham to give the firefighters their payrise |
| 21:51.12 | Jenson | They probably sat on theur ass all year too... |
| 21:51.19 | Leeds | Jenson: you're not a socialist, are you? |
| 21:51.29 | Jenson | Do I sound like one? |
| 21:51.30 | Leeds | tax the rich to pay for public servants??? |
| 21:52.02 | Jenson | Not necessarily the rich......but Beckham. |
| 21:52.21 | Leeds | "stupid fuckwits that earn too much money for doing more or less nothing at all." refers to many of 'the rich' |
| 21:52.51 | Leeds | :-) |
| 21:53.09 | Jenson | Well in that case yeah tax the bastards. |
| 21:55.28 | Leeds | and you can vote now :-) |
| 21:55.33 | Jenson | Don't you like socialists Leeds? |
| 21:55.47 | Leeds | I have no problem with socialists... |
| 21:55.56 | Jenson | but you aren't one? |
| 21:56.10 | Leeds | I was a card-carrying (literally) member of a global socialist, Jewish, Zionist youth movement |
| 21:56.35 | Jenson | You a Jew? |
| 21:56.59 | Leeds | um, yeah :-) |
| 21:56.59 | Jenson | wote skugg? |
| 21:57.05 | skugg | vote |
| 21:57.06 | skugg | :P |
| 21:57.11 | Leeds | skugg: you can vote at home, though, surely? |
| 21:57.16 | Jenson | I don't know any Jews |
| 21:57.20 | skugg | see? I can't even *spell* vote :P |
| 21:57.21 | Leeds | you do now :-) |
| 21:57.26 | skugg | Leeds, this is home. |
| 21:57.40 | skugg | so i cannot, no. I _can_ vote in norway, yes. |
| 21:57.42 | Leeds | skugg: where do you hold citizenship? |
| 21:57.58 | Jenson | Ah well I have nothing against Jews, more against religion in general. |
| 21:58.02 | Leeds | FUCKING SOURCEFORGE DOWNLOAD REDIRECTION SHIT |
| 21:58.02 | skugg | i'm a norwegian citizen, still. |
| 21:58.18 | skugg | Jenson, amen again. |
| 21:58.30 | Jenson | skugg.....Are you Norwegian then or just a Norwegian citizen? |
| 21:58.38 | skugg | Jenson, both. |
| 21:58.57 | Jenson | Cool I thought we were all British here. |
| 21:59.13 | skugg | i'm norwegian, moved here a bit more than 2 years ago. |
| 21:59.44 | skugg | yeah? eye69 is sweedish, formi is spanish... |
| 21:59.54 | skugg | there's a french guy as well |
| 21:59.57 | Jenson | I have nothing against non-British people either.....I just think the British have to deal with there own shit before they taken in asylum seekers....but seen as Norway doesn't fit into the bracket. |
| 22:00.16 | Jenson | Yeah I suppose in London it's more multicultral than here. |
| 22:00.19 | Leeds | CyrilB |
| 22:00.25 | skugg | that's the one. |
| 22:00.28 | Jenson | Oh another thing that pisses me ff |
| 22:00.32 | Jenson | Has anyone ever noticed |
| 22:00.45 | Jenson | that the things they havee on BBC before programs start |
| 22:01.03 | Leeds | what, the revolving globe? :-) |
| 22:01.17 | Jenson | Has had disabled people, and all the multicultral stuff but seems to have forgotten the white people. |
| 22:01.59 | Leeds | white acrobats? |
| 22:02.03 | skugg | okay, sum up OS security in 5-6 key words. go on. help me with my homework :P |
| 22:03.11 | Leeds | "Please don't use Microsoft Windows" |
| 22:03.22 | skugg | i've got a) strong passwords, b) no unecessary services c) keeping software up to date d) firewall out people that is not meant to have access |
| 22:03.44 | Leeds | process not product |
| 22:04.10 | skugg | Leeds, i'm trying to keep it vendor-neutral |
| 22:04.17 | Leeds | process not product |
| 22:04.19 | skugg | Leeds, what do you mean? |
| 22:04.27 | skugg | i don't get that statement. |
| 22:04.56 | Leeds | security isn't a matter of installing the right firewall and turning off the right services - it's a way of thinking - of designing the system, and it needs constant monitoring |
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| 22:05.55 | Leeds | it's a catchphrase of Bruce Schneier - I assume you know of him... |
| 22:06.05 | Jenson | Leeds: Yeah the acrobats were white weren't they. |
| 22:06.12 | Jenson | wb dan |
| 22:06.35 | skugg | okay, I was probably a bit vague. The coursework says: "discuss ways in which an operating system can be comprimised" |
| 22:06.51 | skugg | Leeds, Bruce Schneier? no. never heard of him. |
| 22:06.52 | Leeds | oh, different... |
| 22:07.07 | Leeds | www.counterpane.com (particularly /crypto-gram.html) |
| 22:07.26 | skugg | okay, does the points I made sound relevant then? |
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| 22:07.33 | Leeds | yup |
| 22:07.34 | skugg | in this new light of information? |
| 22:07.37 | skugg | okay, thanks. |
| 22:07.40 | Jenson | You've got firewalls don't forget AV aswell. |
| 22:07.49 | skugg | av? |
| 22:07.53 | skugg | what's that? |
| 22:07.55 | Jenson | antivirus |
| 22:07.56 | Leeds | Open Source helps - seriously, in terms of many people being able to check your code for bugs, and fix them quickly |
| 22:08.04 | dankolb_ | Grrrrr |
| 22:08.14 | skugg | Leeds, yeah, i'll put that in somewhere. |
| 22:08.15 | Jenson | Except Leeds you have to know what you are doing in the first place. |
| 22:08.17 | Leeds | Jenson: we don't tend to think of AV very much - not really needed on Linux (at the moment, at least) :-) |
| 22:08.36 | Jenson | Yeah but if skugg is covering different OSs... |
| 22:08.37 | skugg | Jenson, i'm so used to not worry about viruses that it never occured to me :P |
| 22:08.40 | Leeds | Jenson: not really - there are projects which make it their business to check other people's code |
| 22:09.09 | skugg | Jenson, good point. I'll put it in, I think. |
| 22:09.13 | Leeds | they can't check closed source, so they can't apply the 'third-party view' benefits |
| 22:09.28 | eye69 | What banks are good in the UK? I'm looking at Barclays, largely because of their browser support. |
| 22:09.36 | skugg | there's a provisional report at printf.net/~stig/report.dvi if anybody's interested... please don't laugh. |
| 22:09.37 | eye69 | I'm currently with Royal Bank of Scotland |
| 22:09.58 | Leeds | eye69: I'm not sure how good they are as a bank, but Lloyds-TSB online banking is pretty good |
| 22:10.01 | skugg | eye69, don't know about barclays. they refused to give me an account. |
| 22:10.11 | Jenson | I'm with Barclays |
| 22:10.18 | eye69 | skugg: Because of, and when? |
| 22:10.36 | eye69 | skugg: RBOS refused until I gave them a lot of info... |
| 22:11.19 | Leeds | I've been with TSB for about 10 years... signed up because they gave free cinema tickets originally :-) |
| 22:11.22 | eye69 | I can't stand having to fiddle just to be able to login to the bloody thing |
| 22:11.29 | skugg | eye69, two years ago. I didn't have a job though... I'm a student. |
| 22:11.40 | skugg | eye69, i didn't have english passport was the reason I think. |
| 22:12.06 | eye69 | skugg: Oh, ok. RBOS wanted job contract, passport, utility bill and the likes... |
| 22:13.04 | eye69 | Leeds: Lloyds works fine with Mozilla and/or opera? |
| 22:14.11 | Leeds | eye69: dunno about Opera, but Moz is fine, and while it doesn't look amazing, it works in lynx(!) |
| 22:14.28 | skugg | Leeds, impressive! |
| 22:14.39 | eye69 | Leeds: Cool...actually very cool that it works in lynx! |
| 22:14.42 | skugg | that means no javascript, yes? |
| 22:15.00 | Leeds | there is javascript, but it's not necessary - it's peripheral |
| 22:15.06 | skugg | i see. |
| 22:15.29 | Leeds | doesn't seem to want to work in links though :-( |
| 22:15.45 | eye69 | Leeds: Uhm...weird... |
| 22:15.47 | skugg | how strange |
| 22:15.51 | eye69 | Leeds: Can't you login>? |
| 22:16.02 | eye69 | I know some earlier version of links had broken login support |
| 22:16.11 | Leeds | I can login - I can even get the statement up |
| 22:16.13 | eye69 | s/version/versions/ |
| 22:16.29 | Leeds | but I can't login and *then* get the statement up - I only get it if I go straight to the URL |
| 22:16.49 | Leeds | so it asks me to login and then goes straight to the statement (which is how I use it in Moz anyway) |
| 22:17.32 | Leeds | anyway - it works in lynx... |
| 22:18.19 | eye69 | And it provides all the usual stuff? Bill payments, transfers, standing orders? |
| 22:18.33 | eye69 | That question goes for barclays too, btw. |
| 22:18.54 | eye69 | Leeds: Is it possible to do transfers abroad? |
| 22:19.19 | eye69 | Having the ability to do transfers to Sweden would be highly appreciated. |
| 22:19.45 | Leeds | eye69: I don't think you could do transfers online automatically, but you may be able to set one up which you could then activate online |
| 22:20.28 | Leeds | it's not a big feature of English banking, I think |
| 22:22.09 | eye69 | I guess you mean you can't do transfers abroad automatically? |
| 22:22.47 | eye69 | Doing domestic transfers must be somewhat of a requirement for being able to call it online banking |
| 22:23.46 | Leeds | you can do transfers to people, or to companies from a list, online just by filling in a form... you may need to call someone and/or fill in a paper form to setup an international payment, but in theory once you've set it up, you should be able to make payments entirely online |
| 22:24.04 | eye69 | That would be perfect |
| 22:24.18 | Leeds | I don't know - I've only ever made one payment overseas and I did it in a branch with a paper form |
| 22:24.43 | eye69 | I'd more or less only have to have the ability to make transfers to my swedish account...then I can do payments from that online bank |
| 22:25.20 | Leeds | dunno about that... |
| 22:27.07 | davilion | anybody got a cure for ex-girlfriends (/IGNORE doesnt work in real life) |
| 22:27.40 | Jenson | Yrah....a new girlfriend who's trained in martial arts... |
| 22:28.10 | cupis | lol |
| 22:28.10 | davilion | yeah, they seem hard to find though. |
| 22:28.12 | dankolb | :-) |
| 22:28.25 | dankolb | Girlfriends, or ones trained in the martial arts? |
| 22:28.36 | Leeds | Jenson: volunteering? :-> |
| 22:28.39 | Jenson | I'm not trained in martial arts...but fighting could prove interesting. |
| 22:28.47 | davilion | besides i'd be terrified they would kick my ass instead lol |
| 22:29.34 | Jenson | davilion: want to bet me on that :P |
| 22:30.00 | dankolb | At the same time? |
| 22:30.54 | davilion | i'd put my money on Jenson |
| 22:31.04 | davilion | lol what do i get if you win? :P |
| 22:31.05 | skugg | well, it was a kind of triangular drama. We were all good friends, I wanted one of the girls, she were not really interested (but we fooled around a bit), the other girl wanted me. |
| 22:32.07 | Jenson | lol davilion I think you'd have to wait and see.....but if you're fimilar with Klingon mating rituals.... :P |
| 22:32.25 | eye69 | Leeds: Oh well, I'll have to find out which one of Barclays or Lloyds-TSB is the best (ie. which one takes out the lowest fees) |
| 22:33.12 | davilion | Jenson: id like to think it was mad an passionate but i get the impression it involves at least partial disembowling of the male |
| 22:33.39 | Leeds | an interesting question about this Great Britons thing... the whole debate so far has been which has been the greatest person, *not* the greatest Briton... |
| 22:34.13 | Jenson | no davilion you were more right the first time. |
| 22:34.19 | davilion | prrr |
| 22:35.03 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:36.02 | Jenson | Brain not awake today. |
| 22:36.17 | dankolb | It's a Sunday - easily done |
| 22:36.34 | Jenson | Ah yeah that's a good excuse :-) |
| 22:38.56 | davilion | Jenson: im much liking the sound of klingon love |
| 22:39.10 | Jenson | Yeah me too; |
| 22:40.04 | Leeds | bloody Stallmanite twats |
| 22:40.40 | Jenson | lol Leeds |
| 22:41.24 | Jenson | Must find my Star Trek Factfile. All different mating rituals in there. |
| 22:41.33 | dankolb | :-) |
| 22:41.51 | Jenson | Am I lowering the tone again? |
| 22:42.08 | davilion | Jenson: its ok we only raise it back into the gutter for your benefit anyway |
| 22:42.22 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:42.28 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:44.35 | davilion | i've got a massive lump on the back of my head today, |
| 22:44.42 | davilion | can't work out where it came from |
| 22:44.54 | dankolb | Have you been near Kevin Warwick? |
| 22:44.58 | Jenson | Must have walked into something. |
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| 22:46.40 | davilion | Who's Kevin Warwick? |
| 22:46.52 | davilion | i think i must have fallen out of bed last night |
| 22:47.18 | Leeds | davilion: he's the nutty Uni of Warwick prof who keeps injecting chips into himself |
| 22:47.33 | Leeds | the Reg calls him Captain Cyborg |
| 22:47.56 | davilion | lmao |
| 22:48.19 | davilion | hang on, i live near the uni. |
| 22:49.34 | Leeds | put that away! |
| 22:49.58 | davilion | not that lump |
| 22:50.22 | Jenson | :D |
| 22:55.12 | Leeds | well, at least Diana came 3rd... Churchill won |
| 22:55.58 | dankolb | That's acceptable. Just about |
| 22:56.29 | Leeds | well, I can't argue with Churchill... but Diana 3rd is a joke... |
| 22:56.40 | Leeds | and it's good to see an engineer come in 2nd :-) |
| 22:56.42 | Jenson | the fbu site has music on it now. |
| 22:58.27 | Leeds | stirring picket line marches? |
| 22:59.41 | Jenson | I better get going now |
| 22:59.45 | Jenson | See you guys tomorrow. |
| 23:00.02 | dankolb | Already going? |
| 23:00.11 | Jenson | Yeah I ought to get some sleep. |
| 23:00.29 | dankolb | You got sleep last night |
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| 23:00.42 | Jenson | Yeah well! |
| 23:00.48 | Leeds | yeah... bedtime - work in the morning... although I may not bother going in... |
| 23:00.57 | dankolb | You want 2 sleeps in a row? |
| 23:01.00 | dankolb | Luxury! |
| 23:01.19 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:01.20 | Leeds | it's a hard life, eh... |
| 23:01.22 | davilion | i dont think i'll be going to bed tonight |
| 23:01.31 | dankolb | Aye. Very hard |
| 23:01.44 | Jenson | Well see ya |
| 23:01.59 | dankolb | 'night |
| 23:02.09 | Leeds | davilion: why not? |
| 23:02.14 | Leeds | night, Jenson |
| 23:03.44 | Jenson | night |
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| 23:04.29 | davilion | i jsut cant concentrate which means i'm not finding bugs and i have to get tis software working tommorow before i go to work else i'll not get to work on it until i get home from work which will be too late |
| 23:04.44 | Leeds | hmm... work software? |
| 23:04.51 | davilion | sort of |
| 23:05.09 | Leeds | ? |
| 23:05.38 | davilion | i work for streamline, but i also do private contract work, |
| 23:05.44 | davilion | its the contract work thats broke |
| 23:06.09 | Leeds | oh, fair enough... |
| 23:06.40 | Leeds | I was doing charity coding this afternoon - that had to be done for tomorrow... |
| 23:07.12 | davilion | heheh, i dont mind moswt of the time im just having real issues with this code i wrote ages ago not working |
| 23:08.22 | Leeds | Per? |
| 23:08.23 | Leeds | Perl? |
| 23:08.35 | davilion | VB |
| 23:08.41 | Leeds | UGH! |
| 23:08.43 | dankolb | Muahaha |
| 23:08.46 | Leeds | ibot lart davilion |
| 23:08.53 | Leeds | ibot insult VB |
| 23:09.08 | Leeds | um, no - pretty much the opposite |
| 23:10.08 | Leeds | I'm proud to say that I've never done any VB |
| 23:10.18 | davilion | ages ago, wrote a quick front end to a database then that was fine ideal, quick and easy then the spec chainged and it had to be written asap so i just beefed up the Front end now its got even bigger |
| 23:11.38 | davilion | and subsequently VB doesnt work |
| 23:13.27 | Leeds | I think that's implied... |
| 23:28.26 | eye69 | ViRuS^: Yeah |
| 23:28.28 | eye69 | Oops |
| 23:29.18 | davilion | heh |
| 23:29.42 | davilion | im getting screwed from them too they keep chaing the spec, so next project they are going to pay so much more for |
| 23:29.53 | dankolb | Good idea |
| 23:29.57 | dankolb | Or charge them hourly |
| 23:32.46 | davilion | nah dont do hourly |
| 23:33.04 | davilion | i make a prototype, usually in glade or vb, then quote them on a rough spec |
| 23:33.33 | davilion | but i didnt expect them to change their mind as much and do so much arsing around with crappy time consuming stuff like print outs and wishy washy menu's |
| 23:33.46 | dankolb | :-) |
| 23:40.11 | Leeds | bedtime for me too... |
| 23:40.35 | Leeds | but I'm watching LOTR (FOTR) with the actors' commentary |
| 23:40.55 | dankolb | Did they enjoy making the film as much as you enjoyed watching it? |
| 23:40.58 | skugg | night night everyone. |
| 23:41.16 | Leeds | dankolb: it really feels like it |
| 23:41.31 | dankolb | nn skugg |
| 23:42.35 | eye69 | Mmmmmm, this wasn't bad |
| 23:43.01 | dankolb | What wasn't? |
| 23:43.03 | eye69 | Threw a couple of garlic baguettes in the oven |
| 23:43.11 | Leeds | been there, done it... |
| 23:43.51 | Leeds | anyway - bed |
| 23:43.56 | dankolb | Garlic baguettes are nice |
| 23:44.01 | dankolb | g'night Leeds |
| 23:44.01 | Leeds | seeya'all |
| 23:55.44 | dankolb | Right. Bedtime |
| 23:55.45 | dankolb | Good night |