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| 11:15.19 | formi | mornings |
| 11:15.48 | formi | some of them |
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| 12:47.10 | resudaed | ^^linux |
| 12:49.45 | Tarragon | Maybe not but is there not a quicktime codec in MPlayer http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ |
| 12:50.23 | Leeds | of course there is quicktime4linux |
| 12:50.43 | Tarragon | :-p |
| 12:51.59 | Leeds | http://heroinewarrior.com/quicktime.php3 |
| 12:52.08 | Leeds | Be aware of one thing: Quicktime for Linux won't read any of the movies you download from the internet. Quicktime is a wrapper for many different kinds of compression formats. What you knew as "Quicktime 4" and now "Quicktime 5" is really a distribution of compression formats not found in previous versions of Quicktime. |
| 12:52.52 | Leeds | and Tarragon, of course, gave the right answer, as opposed to the accurate one :-) |
| 12:53.22 | Tarragon | LOL |
| 12:54.15 | skugg | you can run quicktime under wine too. I've succeded with that, altho it has some quirks. |
| 12:56.19 | eye69 | Leeds: Installing mozilla 1.2 now...going to be interesting to see if it works with Jav |
| 12:56.22 | eye69 | Java |
| 12:56.51 | Leeds | skugg: probably better with codeweavers crossover wine than winehq wine |
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| 13:06.51 | eye69 | How do you correctly install Java? I don't know anything about $CLASSPATH and what stuff should be in $PATH and so on |
| 13:07.34 | Leeds | you shouldn't need CLASSPATH for a modern JVM, and if you're after the plugin, you don't need PATH either - RTFM |
| 13:16.49 | eye69 | Ok, I just found what I was doing wrong. I copied the plugin instead of symlinking it. |
| 13:24.21 | formi | guys |
| 13:24.46 | eye69 | What's a good place to "stresstest" the Java plugin? |
| 13:24.53 | formi | can somebody test my new dns server? resolving red-ant.org.uk |
| 13:25.08 | formi | sun.com probably |
| 13:27.40 | Leeds | java.sun.com |
| 13:28.06 | resudaed | Host red-ant.org.uk. not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 13:29.41 | resudaed | red-ant.org.uk has address 62.190.123.172 |
| 13:31.50 | formi | that is what i get |
| 13:32.09 | resudaed | the first or second? |
| 13:32.38 | formi | I have just checked from a us machine, the first lookup failed, the second suceeded |
| 13:32.55 | formi | something odd happening here |
| 13:33.24 | resudaed | I think that probably means that the lookup takes so long that it is timing out, by the time you look the second time, it has completed |
| 13:33.29 | resudaed | (at a guess) |
| 13:34.25 | formi | [0:arpa/f/formi> dnsquery red-ant.org.uk |
| 13:34.25 | resudaed | anyone who actually knows what they're talking about hazard to take a guess :-) |
| 13:34.25 | formi | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 63239 |
| 13:34.25 | formi | ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 |
| 13:34.25 | formi | ;; red-ant.org.uk, type = ANY, class = IN |
| 13:34.25 | formi | red-ant.org.uk. 10h37m49s IN NS bsd.oemspace.co.uk. |
| 13:34.26 | formi | red-ant.org.uk. 10h37m49s IN A 62.190.123.172 |
| 13:34.28 | formi | red-ant.org.uk. 10h37m49s IN NS bsd.oemspace.co.uk. |
| 13:34.29 | formi | bsd.oemspace.co.uk. 3h56m IN A 62.190.123.172 |
| 13:34.34 | formi | [0:arpa/f/formi> |
| 13:35.10 | resudaed | bad.oemspace.co.uk? |
| 13:35.28 | resudaed | ^bsd |
| 13:36.21 | formi | yes bsd.oemspace.co.uk |
| 13:36.49 | formi | anything strange about that? |
| 13:37.05 | resudaed | not really, just wondered what it was |
| 13:37.25 | formi | it's a freebsd box at oemspace.co.uk |
| 13:37.44 | formi | that im using for testing purposes |
| 13:38.22 | resudaed | ok |
| 13:40.32 | formi | if anybody in here is interested in us army/navy binoculars check http://www.oemspace.co.uk/bios/index.htm |
| 13:43.26 | resudaed | ping 62.192.123.172 |
| 13:43.26 | resudaed | opps |
| 13:43.26 | resudaed | bloody bthing doesn't focus properly (goes to change back to windows actions) |
| 13:44.19 | resudaed | formi: can't even ping you now |
| 13:44.54 | formi | well i can |
| 13:45.14 | resudaed | as in ping 62.192.123.172 has 100% packet loss |
| 13:46.47 | resudaed | I can ping red-ant.org.uk no probs, but not by IP |
| 13:47.20 | formi | well that might be a problem on your side |
| 13:47.38 | formi | im on unlimited by dialup and have no problem |
| 13:48.10 | resudaed | I'm always on by cable |
| 13:48.39 | resudaed | no, it just seemed odd to me that I could send a ping request by a dns name, but not by it's respective IP |
| 13:49.19 | formi | well you are pinging the wrong address |
| 13:49.27 | formi | it's 190 not 192 |
| 13:52.12 | resudaed | I am pinging the address returned by a host query on red-ant.org.uk |
| 13:52.33 | formi | are you really sure?? |
| 13:52.55 | formi | try again |
| 13:52.58 | resudaed | it's also the address listed in your dns query above |
| 13:53.08 | resudaed | 62.190.123.172 |
| 13:53.31 | formi | look at what you posted before |
| 13:53.38 | formi | <resudaed> as in ping 62.192.123.172 has 100% packet loss |
| 13:54.12 | formi | the second octet is not the right one |
| 13:54.39 | resudaed | that was because I was typing by hand (copying problems between shell and irc client) |
| 13:55.09 | resudaed | is use the numeric pad (where 2 & 0 are next to each other) |
| 13:55.24 | formi | how are you trying to copy? |
| 13:55.36 | formi | what are using? |
| 13:55.43 | resudaed | xchat |
| 13:55.55 | formi | that's fine and xterm?? |
| 13:56.41 | formi | brb |
| 13:56.46 | resudaed | I have some stupid clipboard management tool running in kde that's causing the problem (I think) |
| 13:58.23 | resudaed | ctrl+v pastes something I typed yesterday, everything else has no probs |
| 13:58.39 | formi | well if you are in kde i can't help you |
| 13:59.21 | formi | but you might try to press the shift and then select, to pasted just press the middle button of the mouse, |
| 14:00.25 | resudaed | the only reason I use kde is because I use a lot of kde apps |
| 14:00.41 | formi | that is no excuse |
| 14:01.12 | formi | sorry let me refrase that, you don't need to run kde to run the kde apps |
| 14:01.49 | formi | i run gnome apps, and i use fluxbox, i don't even have the gnome gui installed |
| 14:02.00 | resudaed | I know, but I'm a lazy peice of **** and can't be arsed to add kde apps to the gnome menu |
| 14:02.51 | formi | which distro are you using? |
| 14:02.57 | resudaed | rh7.2 |
| 14:03.23 | resudaed | (gives you both nicley pre-installed) |
| 14:03.44 | formi | http://icculus.org/openbox/shots.php, have a look at that page |
| 14:04.04 | resudaed | ok |
| 14:06.06 | resudaed | you would recommend? |
| 14:06.20 | formi | well no |
| 14:06.33 | formi | unless you are into compiling |
| 14:07.28 | resudaed | I've had linux as my desktop for over a year now (got sick of windows crashing), I have only in recent months started to play with it# |
| 14:08.35 | Tarragon | Always knew the Grue lurked within Openbox |
| 14:08.53 | resudaed | grue? |
| 14:09.28 | resudaed | morning tarragon |
| 14:09.51 | formi | http://www.smashedupsanity.com/leavinghope/linux.html |
| 14:10.02 | formi | shots of fluxbox really cool ones |
| 14:15.35 | Tarragon | The link to openbox had a reference to the Grue. The Grue is a character out of the old text Adventure game and is a big monster that eats people. |
| 14:16.08 | highbury | I think activated by "lamp off" |
| 14:18.24 | Leeds | in the dark |
| 14:19.59 | highbury | which suddenly reminds me, I'd lovce to track an old adventure style game "Haunt" which I think was written in Lisp, used to run on old DEC mainframes |
| 14:20.57 | Tarragon | Just checked - it came in first in Zork - do you remember the magic word? |
| 14:21.07 | Leeds | xyzzy? |
| 14:21.42 | Leeds | got one here :-) |
| 14:23.11 | formi | beautifully, is that word spelled correctly? bloody foreigners |
| 14:26.45 | Tarragon | Yes that is how you spell beautifully. |
| 14:27.10 | formi | and the adjective after bloody? |
| 14:27.57 | formi | by the way it was self referencing |
| 14:29.01 | formi | anybody watching Top Gear? |
| 14:29.05 | highbury | plugh |
| 14:29.10 | Tarragon | Yes - spelt correctly. Derived from forein (Old French) |
| 14:30.01 | highbury | top gears sucks! I prefer the channel 5 version, which took everybody but clarkson |
| 14:30.35 | resudaed | 5th gear? |
| 14:30.54 | formi | clarkson is a fucker, he talks more than he thinks, also applies to me |
| 14:31.11 | formi | could be |
| 14:31.58 | formi | he went to s-pain and said that the country was using money from the eu to build roads |
| 14:32.05 | highbury | btw, link for old adventure fans ... http://www.xyzzynews.com/ |
| 14:32.07 | formi | and that was stealing from the uk |
| 14:33.09 | formi | there are many things done with eu money in the uk, that the gov doesn't publicize it doesn't mean it's not happening |
| 14:37.06 | formi | highbury: why? |
| 14:37.50 | formi | im drinking mate i need no cold water, wouldn't mind hot |
| 14:38.21 | highbury | sounded like you might start overheating ;-) |
| 14:39.10 | formi | well that has never been a problem to me, i regulate temperature very well |
| 14:44.28 | resudaed | I am writing a site, and netscape 4 (linux platform only) displays fonts differently to every other browser, which makes the site difficult to read. I have defined my site as HTML 4.01 which isn't strictly understod by that browser. Realistically, should I spend the time tring to make it compatible |
| 14:44.38 | Leeds | bloody hell, my mum can talk the hind legs off a donkey |
| 14:44.54 | resudaed | :) |
| 14:45.07 | resudaed | sry about the long text |
| 14:45.19 | resudaed | just wanted your opinions |
| 14:46.00 | highbury | why would people still use Netscape 4? |
| 14:46.35 | resudaed | I have no idea, but it is still used in some places, just wondered if it was worth making the effort |
| 14:46.45 | formi | because in some cases it works where mozilla and variants fail, ie www.its-formi.net |
| 14:48.06 | formi | oddly enough i checked it with the ie comming with w2k and works ok |
| 14:48.43 | resudaed | the site works fine in all IE 5+, netscape 4+ (except 4 on linux), mozilla & opera |
| 14:49.09 | resudaed | even works fine on konquerer |
| 14:49.19 | formi | when i coded it, it worked on netscape and ie, long time ago tough |
| 14:49.53 | resudaed | I validadeted it on w3c's validaton thingie, no probs |
| 14:51.35 | resudaed | I beleive in cross browser compatibility, but I also beleive there's a limit |
| 14:54.15 | Tarragon | When you say difficult to read - what do you mean. Does the site actually work in N4 but looks awkward or does it fall over. |
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| 14:55.42 | Jenson | Hey guys |
| 14:56.42 | formi | highbury: is my site displayed correctly in opera & konqueror? |
| 14:58.36 | Jenson | Well seen as I've forgotten the URL for what I was looking for I better go now coz I'm going into town |
| 14:58.36 | Jenson | See ya |
| 14:58.38 | *** part/#gllug Jenson (Jenson@host62-7-79-49.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 15:01.43 | highbury | first time I tried to display it with Konqueror, it crashed. Next time it partially displayed. Opera it partitally displays |
| 15:03.22 | formi | the logs suggest trouble for those browsers |
| 15:04.16 | highbury | why not simplify the site? |
| 15:04.43 | formi | i just can't be bothered |
| 15:06.32 | formi | i have discovered that it doesn't work with navigator 4.77 |
| 15:07.30 | formi | if you have ie or an old navigator you can have a look, i thing the last time i touch it was in 2000 |
| 15:08.30 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.30 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.30 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.55 | formi | actually June 27, 2000 |
| 15:11.05 | Leeds | ibot status |
| 15:11.06 | | Since Sun Dec 1 07:09:01 2002, there have been 4 modifications and 28 questions and 18 dunnos and 0 morons and 8 commands. I have been awake for 8h 2m 4s this session, and currently reference 84117 factoids. I have 3 messages. I'm using about 11764 kB of memory. |
| 15:12.15 | formi | ibot: Leeds is a moron |
| 15:12.16 | | ...but leeds is already something else... |
| 15:12.26 | formi | ibot status |
| 15:12.26 | | Since Sun Dec 1 07:09:01 2002, there have been 4 modifications and 28 questions and 18 dunnos and 0 morons and 8 commands. I have been awake for 8h 3m 25s this session, and currently reference 84117 factoids. I have 3 messages. I'm using about 11796 kB of memory. |
| 15:12.38 | formi | how do add a moron? |
| 15:12.52 | formi | no disrespect meant, Leeds |
| 15:13.41 | formi | ibot: Leeds can be more than one thing at the same time |
| 15:13.42 | | formi: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 15:14.00 | formi | ibot: are you an idiot? |
| 15:14.01 | | wish i knew, formi |
| 15:14.19 | formi | probably not |
| 15:33.38 | Leeds | off the phone... |
| 15:43.45 | davilion | anybody know what format initrd.img's are? |
| 15:44.23 | davilion | for some reason the one i have is 2.4M which is huge considering the modules are <300k |
| 15:48.19 | Leeds | it's just a filesystem image |
| 15:48.30 | Leeds | /usr/src/linux/Documentation/initrd.txt |
| 15:50.08 | davilion | ta |
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| 15:58.40 | dankolb | Hi |
| 15:58.42 | highbury | :-( KDE window manager crashed on me |
| 15:58.51 | highbury | hi dan |
| 15:58.51 | dankolb | Oops |
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| 16:01.02 | dankolb | Hi Jenson |
| 16:01.08 | Jenson | Hi dankolb |
| 16:01.54 | dankolb | What error message? |
| 16:02.01 | Jenson | The one with startx |
| 16:02.07 | Jenson | I fucked it up lol |
| 16:02.17 | dankolb | Ah heh |
| 16:02.21 | dankolb | What did you do? |
| 16:02.23 | dankolb | Or not do? |
| 16:02.29 | davilion | hi Jenson |
| 16:02.37 | Jenson | Hi davilion mate |
| 16:03.07 | davilion | What can i do for you? :) |
| 16:03.13 | Jenson | Well I had got it all working (without the mouse but it was loading) and now it isn't. |
| 16:03.22 | davilion | ok what happens now? |
| 16:03.28 | Jenson | You wanted to know what the error msg was that I was getting with it. |
| 16:03.36 | davilion | yes. |
| 16:03.46 | Jenson | it says |
| 16:04.09 | Jenson | Fatal Server Error Scrreninit failed for driver 0 |
| 16:04.14 | Jenson | ^Screen even |
| 16:04.40 | dankolb | It couldn't initialise the driver |
| 16:04.51 | Jenson | I figured that |
| 16:05.00 | Jenson | but it was wirking the other day |
| 16:05.04 | Jenson | ^working |
| 16:05.10 | dankolb | What did you change? |
| 16:05.45 | Jenson | Nothing as far as I know |
| 16:05.53 | Jenson | I expect I've corrupted it somehow |
| 16:06.18 | dankolb | That'd normally only happen if you change the config file |
| 16:06.22 | davilion | Jenson: try XFree86 -configure |
| 16:06.33 | davilion | it'll make your screen flicker and stuff then print out a message somewhere |
| 16:06.51 | dankolb | And dump a sample config file in /root/XF86Config.new |
| 16:07.08 | Jenson | Let me go and look |
| 16:10.03 | Jenson | Ahh now I'm stuck in a nice blue test screen lol |
| 16:10.12 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:10.41 | dankolb | Obviously you should |
| 16:10.54 | eye69 | Jenson: You have to show him who's boss |
| 16:11.39 | Jenson | eye69: I'll see him at Christmas, hopefully by then I might understand Slackware. Or at least got X configured properly lol |
| 16:12.16 | formi | be careful, you might end up bing a slackware biggot |
| 16:12.22 | davilion | Jenson: you back at the prompt? |
| 16:12.29 | Leeds | formi: that's bigot, you foreign fool |
| 16:12.42 | Jenson | Last time I looked davilion i was stuck it a test screen |
| 16:12.43 | Jenson | lol Leeds |
| 16:12.48 | dankolb | formi: Nothing wrong with that |
| 16:12.50 | formi | and that is your description, init? |
| 16:13.00 | formi | s/init/innit |
| 16:13.14 | dankolb | init 6 |
| 16:13.17 | davilion | Jenson: try ctrl+aly+backspace |
| 16:13.40 | Jenson | Ah ok |
| 16:13.46 | eye69 | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ |
| 16:14.00 | formi | danklod: a lot of bandwith would be saved if distro "defenders" would shut up |
| 16:14.28 | dankolb | Yeah. And if they all used Slackware, rather than downloading 5 CDs worth of RedHat ;-) |
| 16:14.46 | Jenson | Ah thank you davilion much better. I don't like blue screens.... |
| 16:15.05 | Jenson | I have to go in a minute my mother will kill me otherwise lol |
| 16:15.17 | dankolb | Doesn't like you spending time on the phone? |
| 16:15.28 | formi | i prefer the approach of asking somebody for the cds, dump 'em on my hd, and return 'em |
| 16:15.51 | Jenson | No, I'm meant to be revising, not attempting to sort out an OS that my dad says looks useless. He says to reinstall Win98 |
| 16:15.54 | dankolb | That works too |
| 16:15.59 | Leeds | revising for? |
| 16:16.15 | dankolb | Jenson: So install an OS that not only look useless, but actually is useless? |
| 16:16.27 | Jenson | Yeah dankolb |
| 16:16.35 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:16.36 | Jenson | Leeds: AS exams I have to take in January |
| 16:17.00 | dankolb | davilion: Have you decided if you're coming to Oxford or not? |
| 16:17.01 | Leeds | formi: shouldn't you be out blowing up oil tankers or something? |
| 16:17.12 | davilion | dankolb: i tihnk so, im almost done here. |
| 16:17.17 | dankolb | Cool. |
| 16:17.28 | formi | i have done enoguh of that already |
| 16:17.36 | dankolb | I'll be wearing a black T-Shirt with an Ox.Compsoc logo |
| 16:17.37 | davilion | how long does it normally last? |
| 16:17.54 | davilion | ok, i'll be wearing some jeans, a sweater, no idea which one yet |
| 16:17.55 | dankolb | 6.30 until about 7.30/8pm, then off to the public watering hole |
| 16:18.03 | davilion | dankolb: sounds good to me |
| 16:18.06 | davilion | food factor?> |
| 16:18.09 | dankolb | Yep. |
| 16:18.12 | dankolb | Food? |
| 16:18.23 | dankolb | Pub only serves crisps and pork scratchings and peanuts |
| 16:18.33 | davilion | ahh ok, i'll eat before i come out. |
| 16:18.33 | murb | dank: the lamb and flag? |
| 16:18.38 | dankolb | murb: Yeah. |
| 16:18.42 | dankolb | do you want a lift to OxLUG? |
| 16:18.51 | murb | dank: are you driving? |
| 16:18.53 | dankolb | Yes |
| 16:19.01 | murb | if you could it would be cool. |
| 16:19.10 | dankolb | No problem |
| 16:19.19 | dankolb | Where would be good to meet you, then? |
| 16:19.25 | Jenson | Well I'm going to get on with what I'm meant to be doing. I'll look at the bastard computer later. |
| 16:19.28 | davilion | dankolb: would it be a good idea to meet somewhere obvious? |
| 16:19.49 | formi | it would be too easy |
| 16:19.52 | davilion | and wheres a good place to get parked? is there parking there? |
| 16:19.59 | dankolb | davilion: You can park at Comlab |
| 16:20.04 | davilion | cool. |
| 16:20.10 | dankolb | I'm not sure where would be a good place to meet. Comlab, I guess |
| 16:20.21 | davilion | ok, i'll give you a ring if i get totally lost |
| 16:20.27 | dankolb | murb: Might you be able to get to Staples around 5.30? |
| 16:20.28 | davilion | my navigation skills arent too bad |
| 16:20.29 | Jenson | Anyway guys see ya |
| 16:20.36 | davilion | bye Jenson |
| 16:20.38 | Jenson | davilion, dankolb and murb have fun at OxLUG |
| 16:20.49 | dankolb | We will |
| 16:20.55 | Jenson | :) |
| 16:21.02 | Leeds | seeya, Jenson |
| 16:21.10 | Jenson | seeya Leeds |
| 16:21.35 | *** part/#gllug Jenson (Jenson@host62-7-31-128.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 16:21.38 | davilion | hmm, speaking of gps, i need to sort out my serial port, and my invertor. |
| 16:21.40 | murb | ( i thought i'd left it in a hotel rooms omeplace, but it was on my bedroom floor) |
| 16:22.06 | davilion | i want to start using gpsdrive, |
| 16:22.08 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:22.26 | davilion | ideally i want to get all of multimap onto my harddisk, and also have the arial photo overlays as well |
| 16:22.28 | dankolb | murb: Or would there be a more convenient place to pick you up from? |
| 16:22.33 | davilion | then i can get a view of the road ahead from my laptop |
| 16:22.45 | murb | dank: I'm trying to think of some place sensible, I live in Hughenden Valley, but could get a lift into HW |
| 16:22.58 | dankolb | Where in Hughenden Valley? |
| 16:23.15 | dankolb | I could come and pick you up, but I don't know where you live |
| 16:23.16 | murb | Near the BMW garage |
| 16:23.30 | murb | I can easily wawlk down to the main road and look conspicous |
| 16:23.33 | dankolb | That's on Hughenden Road itself, isn't it? |
| 16:23.59 | dankolb | Past Hughenden Park, IIRC? |
| 16:24.52 | murb | yes |
| 16:25.13 | murb | and past the church, and past the turning for greatkingshill |
| 16:25.30 | murb | and stright on at a mini roundabout |
| 16:25.48 | dankolb | Okay. Yeah. The garage is quite conspicuous. The only BMW garage on that road :) |
| 16:26.01 | murb | the only one |
| 16:26.54 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:27.09 | dankolb | Okay. Should I meet you at the garage, then? |
| 16:28.02 | murb | yep, that would be cool, at aproxy what time? |
| 16:28.38 | dankolb | 5.30 should give plenty enough time, shouldn't it? |
| 16:29.20 | murb | it should, and gives me a hour to find my phone. |
| 16:29.51 | dankolb | :-) |
| 16:29.53 | dankolb | Loads of time... |
| 16:30.27 | dankolb | So if I leave around 5.05, that'll give me 25 minutes to get to Hughenden. Should be more than enough time |
| 16:30.35 | murb | it should. |
| 16:31.10 | murb | but only if you go faster than the 74 |
| 16:31.47 | dankolb | Yeah. If there's no traffic, it can easily be done in 20 minutes, sticking to the speed limits |
| 16:35.20 | dankolb | I should hunt for some food, probably. |
| 16:36.19 | formi | you can have my bow |
| 16:36.30 | dankolb | Who has an arrow? |
| 16:37.05 | formi | that's your problem, I'm not offering arms of mass destruction |
| 16:37.39 | murb | formi: YM weapons? |
| 16:37.40 | dankolb | Couldn't I buy them off you? |
| 16:37.41 | formi | I have lent then to my afghan neighbour |
| 16:37.53 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:38.02 | murb | and anyway you have to have a cross bow for it to count as a firearm |
| 16:38.29 | murb | although you can still commit offences under the various firearms acts with somthiing which they don't class as a firearm... |
| 16:38.32 | formi | who I haven't seen for weeks, should have a sniff near his letter box |
| 16:39.13 | formi | I met a few arms expert in Prague |
| 16:39.44 | formi | pretty mad, hoolingan style drinking beer folks from up north |
| 16:40.01 | murb | formi: how is the new job going? |
| 16:40.10 | formi | is gone |
| 16:40.19 | murb | complete, finished? |
| 16:40.22 | formi | it was a one week rush |
| 16:40.33 | formi | i learnt a lot |
| 16:41.15 | formi | even though I can't disclose the knowlegde, which is highly stupid |
| 16:41.26 | dankolb | Government job? |
| 16:41.27 | murb | you're under NDA? |
| 16:41.39 | formi | cause is hard to find, but nevertheless public |
| 16:41.46 | formi | yeap |
| 16:42.27 | formi | made me mad to have to sign a paper with the queen stamp on it |
| 16:45.33 | davilion | lmao. |
| 16:45.39 | formi | I suppose now everybody knows where my home place is, sadly |
| 16:45.55 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:46.17 | formi | I always like the black colour but this is too much |
| 16:46.27 | davilion | hi david, how was your day? @sorry dad, can't say. what did you do? 'sorry dad, can't say' |
| 16:47.59 | formi | davilion, have you heard of that new, weird, out-of-space idea called "leaving your parent's home" |
| 16:48.01 | formi | ? |
| 16:49.20 | dankolb | What'd that concept be, formi? |
| 16:49.56 | formi | finish reading the question and you shall be enlightened |
| 16:50.18 | davilion | formi: i moved out a long time ago. |
| 16:50.39 | formi | good for you |
| 16:51.42 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:52.01 | formi | I used to reply to questions with answers like "Well smoking pot, chasing girls and mocking the teachers." |
| 16:52.15 | dankolb | :-) |
| 16:52.27 | davilion | heh my parents would freak if i said that |
| 16:52.34 | formi | and they were true |
| 16:54.08 | formi | I wasn't believed |
| 16:55.21 | formi | davilion: they would freak and stop asking |
| 16:56.44 | dankolb | Right. I think I shall start heading off. Grab a bite to eat before leaving the house |
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| 17:35.08 | eye69 | highbury: What has changed? |
| 17:36.05 | Leeds | been drinking? |
| 17:36.37 | highbury | migrated from SuSE 8.0 to SuSE 8.1 |
| 17:37.09 | highbury | came back from shopping, and the screen saver had locked up, and keyboard stopped responding |
| 17:37.20 | eye69 | Ok |
| 17:37.38 | eye69 | I don't know anything about SuSE, more than "I don't use it". |
| 17:37.42 | highbury | lack of green light when hitting the caps-lock key is always a dead giveaway |
| 17:38.29 | highbury | it may be time for me to revisit gentoo, or just use knoppix as my default distro |
| 17:39.22 | eye69 | Has your faith in SuSE diminished? |
| 17:46.02 | highbury | not anymore than the other major distributions |
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| 19:42.18 | Jenson | Hey davilion |
| 19:42.28 | Leeds | moo |
| 19:42.34 | davilion | hi Jenson |
| 19:42.35 | davilion | hi Leeds |
| 19:42.41 | davilion | well that was crap. |
| 19:42.53 | Jenson | Leeds: How long does Chanakuh last for? |
| 19:43.11 | Jenson | davilion: Are you back wherever you were before you went to OxLUG then? |
| 19:43.19 | Leeds | Jenson: 8 days/nights - the Jewish day starts and ends at sunset, so we're just about into day 3 now |
| 19:43.53 | Leeds | davilion: what was crap? |
| 19:43.56 | Jenson | In which case Happy Chanakuh (as they say on Buffy, or at least did when Willow was a Jew) |
| 19:44.11 | davilion | Jensonn: i went to oxford, got stuck in traffic so didnt get there till nearly 7, it looked a bit deserted, i dont know oxford very well, found the comlab, it looked very dark and deserted, decided i wasnt feeling very sociable and went home |
| 19:44.26 | Leeds | she still is, but it doesn't seem relevent to the script any more... :-) |
| 19:44.33 | davilion | Leeds: just my attempts at being sociable and going to a lug. |
| 19:44.46 | Leeds | coming to GLLUG? :-) |
| 19:44.48 | Jenson | awwwwww davilion well at least you have us to talk to in your unsociable mood. |
| 19:45.10 | Jenson | No Leeds, she's Wiccan now.Williow used to be a straight Jew and now she's a gay Wiccan. |
| 19:45.19 | Leeds | she's still Jewish... |
| 19:45.27 | Jenson | I'm meant to be writing emails |
| 19:45.33 | Jenson | Well technically Jewsih yeah |
| 19:46.01 | Jenson | I spent 10 minutes deciding on a new signature quote, but now I have to write the fucking things lol |
| 19:46.12 | davilion | Leeds: im going home next weekend, I have more chance of finding a girlfriend there and i've not seen my friends in a while. |
| 19:46.27 | Leeds | home=Scotland? |
| 19:46.47 | davilion | yeah |
| 19:47.30 | davilion | Weekends are always a bad time for me, if i dont go home, i get very bored, grumpy and feel antisocial, and when i do go home i fgeel bored, grumopy and antisocial |
| 19:47.39 | Jenson | Girlfriend is a good idea davilion |
| 19:47.49 | davilion | Jenson: yeah, i miss having one. |
| 19:48.20 | davilion | Leeds: i quite fancy going away to orkey, or really up north for a weekend too. |
| 19:49.08 | Leeds | give that man a coconut! |
| 19:49.45 | Leeds | re-watching HIGNFY |
| 19:50.15 | Jenson | Totally unimportant question but what temperatures to you guys CPU run at? |
| 19:50.44 | davilion | Jenson: my home one runs about 30-70 degrees depending on if its idle or not |
| 19:50.53 | Leeds | no idea |
| 19:50.56 | davilion | and the athlons at work run at melting point all the time |
| 19:51.03 | davilion | and the newer p4's run about 50 idle. |
| 19:51.56 | Jenson | Mines at 26C or 78F which is what it normally runs at. |
| 19:52.14 | Jenson | I didn't realize until a few months back you ccould measure these things you see. |
| 19:53.07 | davilion | yeah im writing software to monitor it over time at the moment |
| 19:53.08 | Leeds | in London we have these advanced temperature-measuring devices called thermometers... |
| 19:53.19 | davilion | and make a 3d map of your machine room pointing out hotspots |
| 19:53.56 | Jenson | That's clever Leeds... |
| 19:55.36 | Jenson | Right that is 2 emails done. One more email and then some letters |
| 19:55.57 | Jenson | Why can't people have email addresses when you're trying to write thank you letters... |
| 19:56.10 | Leeds | ah! birthday thank-you's? |
| 19:56.30 | Jenson | Yeah I've been meaning to do them since last Sunday but you lot kept distracting me. |
| 19:56.53 | Leeds | ibot sing |
| 19:56.54 | | ACTION sings loudly |
| 19:56.54 | Jenson | davilion: did you tell dankolb you weren't going to meet him? |
| 19:56.55 | Leeds | ibot dance |
| 19:56.56 | | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 19:57.17 | Leeds | shall I go to the party? |
| 19:57.28 | Jenson | Does it include doughnuts Leeds? |
| 19:57.46 | Jenson | Gotta go guys |
| 19:57.48 | Jenson | Later...... |
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| 19:58.02 | Leeds | yes.. |
| 19:58.04 | Leeds | bye |
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| 20:10.49 | Leeds | right - I'm going to try the party - see if anyone else is there... |
| 20:27.23 | eye69 | (again) |
| 20:27.50 | eye69 | I've actually started to tidy up my flat |
| 20:32.01 | resudaed | has anyone in here ever used wine (winehq's version) |
| 20:33.52 | skugg | resudaed, yes |
| 20:34.27 | resudaed | one sec (takes too damn long to load:) |
| 20:34.37 | skugg | i run a few programs in it (mostly to show my friends that it's possible -- I set $EDITOR=notepad.exe once...) |
| 20:34.52 | resudaed | I did that with solitair |
| 20:35.39 | eye69 | skugg: Heh |
| 20:36.20 | resudaed | I am getting an error message (among many non fatal ones) that it does not recognise the environment variable for language ('en_GB') and would much rather have the answer 'english'. Any ideas? |
| 20:36.48 | skugg | eye69, actually, it was not the $EDITOR, it was the editor setting in .muttrc ... |
| 20:36.58 | resudaed | :) |
| 20:37.09 | skugg | resudaed, no |
| 20:37.13 | eye69 | skugg: Gah... |
| 20:37.34 | skugg | editing emails in that was a pain, since it didn't like my line endings :) |
| 20:37.42 | skugg | wordpad.exe would have worked I guess |
| 20:38.11 | eye69 | I prefer vim |
| 20:40.10 | skugg | eye69, me too |
| 20:40.53 | eye69 | The only addition I've made for when writing emails is to make a newline and placing the cursor at the last line |
| 20:41.22 | resudaed | The actual fatal message is ... |
| 20:41.54 | skugg | from my muttrc: |
| 20:41.58 | skugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.53 | resudaed | unhandled page fault on read access to 0x000000000 at address 0x0000000000 |
| 20:43.27 | eye69 | skugg: Why 12? |
| 20:43.58 | resudaed | by my reckoning, it shouldn't have been trying to access memory at that address |
| 20:45.19 | skugg | eye69, because with my custum headers and signature, it puts the cursor just where I want it :) |
| 20:45.39 | skugg | it was a quick and dirty hack that works for most cases |
| 20:46.04 | skugg | it only fails when I send mail to multiple recipients, and I do that very seldom |
| 20:46.47 | eye69 | skugg: Oh, you edit with the headers? |
| 20:47.05 | skugg | yes |
| 20:47.33 | eye69 | I guess there's a coolness factor in that :P |
| 20:47.51 | skugg | :} |
| 20:48.07 | skugg | i dunno about that, but I think it's convenient... |
| 20:48.24 | skugg | otherwise I cannot easily change the sender address f.ex. |
| 20:48.44 | skugg | or add/delete custum headers |
| 20:49.05 | skugg | (like X-Sarcasm: buckets) |
| 20:49.12 | eye69 | Hehe |
| 20:49.28 | eye69 | I guess that would be quite usable at times... |
| 20:49.48 | skugg | i like to do that to be on safe ground in case somebody starts building up a tantrum over any of my posts :) |
| 20:50.11 | eye69 | Almost an hour since I ordered my pizza...they're getting sloppy |
| 20:50.49 | skugg | the chinese delivery service we're using were snappy as always. |
| 20:51.20 | skugg | oh dear... a bit slow in here now, isn't it? |
| 20:51.43 | eye69 | Papa Johns are usually on their feet...I hope I didn't miss the doorbell while I was vacuuming |
| 20:52.24 | davilion | eye69 papa johns are ok, especially when you buy online except when they think your order is a hoax and dont bother delivering |
| 20:52.29 | skugg | ah. that might have been it you know |
| 20:52.45 | eye69 | davilion: That's never happened for me |
| 20:52.53 | eye69 | I've only ever ordered online from them |
| 20:53.19 | skugg | okay, distraction time! |
| 20:53.30 | resudaed | how well can wine cope with directx? |
| 20:53.32 | skugg | personify the gllug regulars: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html |
| 20:53.41 | skugg | resudaed, don't know. |
| 20:54.51 | resudaed | I am feeling it may be the problem, the progeram I am trying to load uses directx3, the programs config utility loads ok, and the windows for the program itself loads, the speakers pop a couple of times, then it dies |
| 20:56.00 | skugg | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame22.html nix / bruce / dave jones perhaps? :) |
| 20:57.10 | skugg | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame64.html John Hearns :D |
| 20:59.33 | eye69 | resudaed: Maybe you should try WineX instead? |
| 20:59.51 | resudaed | you got a url for it? |
| 21:00.38 | eye69 | Google gives me transgaming.com :) |
| 21:07.41 | resudaed | they want a subscription fee |
| 21:08.25 | eye69 | The CVS version is totally free. |
| 21:09.02 | eye69 | They only charge for the prepackaged stuff |
| 21:10.42 | resudaed | how difficult is the CVS version to install |
| 21:11.22 | eye69 | I don't know. I haven't run Wine* for at least 1.5 years. |
| 21:12.39 | skugg | i wouldn't use them out of principle. they threatened to change their licence specifically to stop debian from packaging it. |
| 21:12.53 | skugg | they can FOAD for all I care. |
| 21:14.30 | eye69 | skugg: They wanted to prevent any Linux distribution from packaging it or Debian in particular? |
| 21:15.38 | skugg | i can't remember... it was on the debian list it was mentioned at least. |
| 21:15.47 | skugg | i think it was debian in particular |
| 21:15.55 | skugg | but don't quote me on that |
| 21:17.49 | skugg | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 21:18.07 | skugg | seems it was any distribution, but debian was the one to get stopped by it. |
| 21:20.56 | eye69 | Yeah, I've googled |
| 21:21.56 | eye69 | Interesting to know |
| 21:24.59 | resudaed | installation seems easy enough |
| 21:25.06 | resudaed | *so far* |
| 21:31.24 | eye69 | Right, they had literally just got my order in on the fax... |
| 21:32.21 | eye69 | LOL....www.getfitta.co.uk |
| 21:32.36 | eye69 | skugg might perhaps see the fun in that URL |
| 21:33.10 | skugg | well, the obscenity of thi url at least. |
| 21:33.14 | skugg | :) |
| 21:33.16 | eye69 | Mmmmmm |
| 21:33.37 | resudaed | it sounds like I have another hard-drive dying from over use |
| 21:33.45 | eye69 | I remember one fitness centre called mrfitta |
| 21:35.14 | eye69 | resudaed probably doesn't have a clue what I mean though |
| 21:39.01 | resudaed | :) nope |
| 21:40.30 | eye69 | Well, it's the same as http://www.goatspussy.co.uk |
| 21:41.32 | eye69 | "get" is "goat", and "fitta" is the equivalent of "pussy" |
| 21:41.53 | resudaed | ok |
| 21:42.21 | davilion | arrrgh. That was close, very nearly dropped a bottle of single malt. |
| 21:43.38 | resudaed | all I have to hand is a bottle of smirnoff and a bottle of jack daniels |
| 21:43.50 | davilion | straight or do you have mixers? |
| 21:44.29 | resudaed | nobody seemed to want any, so went to get himself a glass |
| 21:45.05 | davilion | i can't drink vodka straight it makes me ill due to a nasty experience with vodka and irn bru but i prefer it to JD |
| 21:45.06 | resudaed | the jack d straight, smirnoff usually with a mixer (dash) |
| 21:46.06 | resudaed | bollox, winex died on make |
| 21:46.28 | resudaed | error 2 if that means anything to anyone :) |
| 21:46.41 | resudaed | while attempting to write a dll |
| 21:46.53 | eye69 | The error is probably a few lines up |
| 21:47.09 | resudaed | found it, a syntax error |
| 21:47.52 | eye69 | I don't feel like building anything on this laptop |
| 21:49.00 | resudaed | /usr/x!!R6/include/X11/Xutil.h:624: syntax error before int |
| 21:49.09 | resudaed | ^11 |
| 21:51.27 | eye69 | Look through it and see if it's anything obvious |
| 21:53.19 | resudaed | I cannot see it, does anyone object to me posting the section (7 lines) |
| 21:53.30 | eye69 | Post it in two steps |
| 21:55.36 | resudaed | extern int XSetIconSizes( |
| 21:55.36 | resudaed | #if NeedFunctionPrototypes |
| 21:55.36 | resudaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.36 | resudaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.53 | resudaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.53 | resudaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.53 | resudaed | #endif |
| 21:55.53 | resudaed | ); |
| 21:56.14 | resudaed | the rror is before the line starting 'int' |
| 21:56.29 | resudaed | (apparantly) |
| 21:57.46 | eye69 | Which line is the "int" line? |
| 21:58.02 | eye69 | Ie. which number? |
| 21:58.14 | resudaed | 629 |
| 21:59.20 | resudaed | (624 is the first line) |
| 21:59.33 | eye69 | It means the "extern int" line |
| 22:00.50 | resudaed | is a line allowed to start with the _ character? |
| 22:01.55 | resudaed | well, is a variable allowed to start with _ |
| 22:04.26 | eye69 | Yes, I think so. I'm not a C programmer though. |
| 22:04.38 | resudaed | me neither |
| 22:05.49 | resudaed | I know a little, and when a header file is almost 1000 lines, I would not like to try and debug the rest of the program |
| 22:06.37 | resudaed | I am assuming Xutil.h is part of X itself?? |
| 22:06.45 | eye69 | Yes |
| 22:07.13 | resudaed | well, how difficult is a resinstallation of X (not the only problem I've had with this install) |
| 22:07.36 | eye69 | I don't know since I don't know which distribution you're using. |
| 22:07.43 | resudaed | RH 7.2 |
| 22:08.00 | eye69 | I guess it's just a matter of downloading a few RPM's |
| 22:08.21 | eye69 | I'm a Debian puppy myself, ie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:08.47 | resudaed | :) |
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| 22:11.28 | resudaed | hi jenson |
| 22:12.28 | Jenson | hi resudaed |
| 22:13.42 | skugg | resudaed, there's probably something else before that you posted (that's wrong) |
| 22:14.44 | resudaed | problem is, the file is 900 odd lines wrong, I think that'd count as flooding, so I am looking at a re-install of X |
| 22:16.05 | Jenson | I turned my Linux computer off. I sorted out the graphics with X and now it's sayinf something about not being able to initialize xf86config coz of temp files. So I'll have great fun changing over to a ps/2 mouse if it won't sort itself out. |
| 22:16.15 | resudaed | I can post the section before it if you think it'd help |
| 22:16.47 | Jenson | I managed to keep this computer booted up for over a day (that's a miracle lol) would have been longer if their hadn't been a fucking powercut. |
| 22:17.12 | resudaed | last time I turned mine off was 3 days ago, but I don't think that counts as turning off, all I did was restart |
| 22:17.35 | resudaed | my record is just over a month between reboots |
| 22:17.43 | Jenson | I usually have to reboot this about once every 6 hours otherwise it gets pissed off....or it crashes before then. |
| 22:17.58 | resudaed | I also know for a fact the I have dodgy ram |
| 22:18.14 | resudaed | (I have a list of dodgy secotrs) |
| 22:18.26 | resudaed | addresses |
| 22:18.42 | Jenson | Glad to say I don't have that problem |
| 22:18.59 | Jenson | I have enough bad sectors on the HDs of my other 2 computers though |
| 22:21.12 | resudaed | lost 2x40GB's, down to 1x15GB (system disk) |
| 22:21.21 | Jenson | bugger |
| 22:21.22 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:21.46 | resudaed | thing is, most of what I lost cannot be reclaimed, luckily, I still had a working computer |
| 22:22.32 | resudaed | (as in trying to find them :) |
| 22:22.42 | Jenson | One of my other computers made a very weird noise in the morning and at night, but now I've moved it away from the damp wall it doesn't do it lol |
| 22:23.00 | eye69 | resudaed: Poor man having to sort out dependancies :) |
| 22:23.17 | resudaed | you should see the list |
| 22:23.37 | Jenson | I don't know anything about XFree86.......probably why mine is fucked up. |
| 22:23.46 | resudaed | neither do I |
| 22:23.50 | Jenson | I've had enough of Linux for this week lol |
| 22:24.16 | Jenson | I have Slackware, Win98Se and Win95 |
| 22:24.21 | resudaed | and a dead windows install thaqt he is trying to use through wine |
| 22:24.54 | eye69 | I have Linux on all machines apart from the home WS which has win98se on a small partition for gaming |
| 22:25.00 | Jenson | Why do we do this, why don't we bumble along like everyone else :) |
| 22:25.58 | Jenson | I've benn bumbling along with Windows since I was 7 and for some reason I decide to change lol |
| 22:26.19 | resudaed | I was happy with dos till I was about 9, when I moved to windows 3.11 |
| 22:26.30 | Jenson | How do you get back into the installation setup without loading the rootdisks? |
| 22:26.59 | Jenson | I never used DOS.....other than for Duke Nukem, Wolf 3D and Doom |
| 22:27.07 | resudaed | depends if the root disks were loaded into ramdisks |
| 22:27.13 | Jenson | I used Winchester before Windows, and during |
| 22:27.18 | Jenson | They were I think. |
| 22:27.31 | resudaed | in which case you don't :( |
| 22:27.53 | Jenson | I don't want to have to use disks coz my FD is a little fucked and trying to get it to read 5 disks in a series takes about 6 attempts |
| 22:28.10 | resudaed | and unless someone tells me I'm wrong, I answered my first linux question |
| 22:28.20 | Jenson | What question was that? |
| 22:28.29 | resudaed | about your root disks |
| 22:28.32 | Jenson | oh |
| 22:28.33 | Jenson | duh |
| 22:28.36 | Jenson | sorry blonde moment |
| 22:28.57 | Jenson | That doesn't help that I don't know what to type to get back into setup |
| 22:29.07 | resudaed | they are loaded into ram disks because an installation re-writes most of your hard disk, so storing things there isn't possible |
| 22:29.22 | Jenson | Today I worked out that you type logout to logout lol |
| 22:29.32 | resudaed | my only suggestion is to buy a box of disks (like I havn't done - trying to install slackware with 1 disk) |
| 22:29.45 | resudaed | you can also ctrl + d on most installations |
| 22:30.02 | Jenson | How long you been running Linux? |
| 22:30.21 | resudaed | a year, but only been actually learning anything for past couple of months |
| 22:30.35 | Jenson | lol and your X is still fucked up. |
| 22:30.39 | resudaed | (it worked when windows didn't, so I left windows behind) |
| 22:30.41 | Jenson | I installed it on Friday. |
| 22:31.02 | Jenson | Although I picked the wrong mouse tpye which was more stupid |
| 22:31.04 | resudaed | I am now on my 3rd installation (installing my fourth on a laptop) |
| 22:31.13 | Jenson | And now the xf86config won't load. |
| 22:31.27 | Jenson | I'm not sure what I've got to do about it. So I switched the computer off. |
| 22:31.34 | resudaed | :) can't help you with that one other than starting again |
| 22:31.54 | Jenson | I would start again if it wasn't for that fucking FD |
| 22:32.05 | Jenson | and that I don't knopw how to format in Linux |
| 22:32.14 | resudaed | makefs |
| 22:32.14 | eye69 | A friend of mine works at a bank helpdesk...he had one caller who switched the computer off everytime she was done with the dialup...didn't know how to disconnect |
| 22:32.30 | Jenson | lol eye69 |
| 22:32.36 | resudaed | :) I know how your friend feels, I used to do support |
| 22:33.10 | Jenson | I'd be great on a helpdesk 'RTFM' 'No it isn't a coffee holder' |
| 22:33.12 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:33.59 | resudaed | it damn well is, for a joke, I wired up a third cd (power only) to use as a drinks holder |
| 22:34.23 | Jenson | lol great idea. I have a spare quad drive.... |
| 22:34.32 | resudaed | mine was a quad |
| 22:34.44 | resudaed | didn't work either |
| 22:34.52 | Jenson | Mine worked last time I used it. |
| 22:34.54 | resudaed | made it all the less a waste |
| 22:35.16 | Jenson | I have an RM 186 mouse that isn't compatible with anything that I own lol |
| 22:35.32 | resudaed | I had a 286 mouse with the same problem |
| 22:35.56 | Jenson | My monitor has damaged pins....doesn't seem to make any difference though. |
| 22:36.05 | resudaed | at the moment, I am using a 10 year old serial mouse and having no troubles |
| 22:36.27 | Jenson | I've got a microsoft serial mouse on my other comuter, bout 7 years old |
| 22:36.41 | Jenson | This one is a 2.5 year old logitech cordless mouse and ketboard |
| 22:37.17 | Jenson | I use my monitor for heating lol ewxcept its a bitch in the summer when you go to bed and realize you've had the computer on in your room all day. |
| 22:37.43 | resudaed | I like to get more on the screen, so it's @ mega high resolution 24 hours a day (I like the matrix screen saver) |
| 22:38.12 | Jenson | My monitor is pretty old, doesn't like hi-res |
| 22:38.51 | resudaed | the rest of my computer is pretty old |
| 22:39.47 | Jenson | I have a P90 (7 years old) and a P200 (not sure how old it is, I got it last Sunday, but the FD is half dead and the HD has a lot of bad sectors) |
| 22:40.08 | Jenson | This is our P700 but that belongs to my dad. |
| 22:40.21 | Jenson | We will be getting a new one next year. |
| 22:41.10 | resudaed | mine is a 400 (cloacked at 600), will get a new one when I can afford it, my bank balence is currently -£84 |
| 22:41.20 | resudaed | ^clocked |
| 22:41.43 | Jenson | Not a good bank balance. doesn't it crash alot if its overclocked? |
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| 22:48.29 | Jenson | Hey Leeds |
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| 22:50.03 | Leeds | evening |
| 22:50.14 | Jenson | wb reudaed |
| 22:50.17 | resudaed | evening |
| 22:50.20 | resudaed | ty jenson |
| 22:50.24 | resudaed | hub failure |
| 22:50.35 | resudaed | (somebody kicked it) |
| 22:50.50 | Leeds | so, I went to the party... it was very productive :-) |
| 22:51.32 | Leeds | cool, eXistenZ is on |
| 22:51.34 | resudaed | an unusual party, most of the ones I attend are very destructive |
| 22:51.36 | Jenson | Productive, did you spot a computer in distress while you were there :P |
| 22:51.49 | Jenson | resudaed: I think that's the idea |
| 22:51.58 | Jenson | I don't do parties. |
| 22:52.18 | Jenson | Unless somone suggests a deathmatch, which no-one does round here. |
| 22:52.24 | resudaed | does occaisional parties, pub crawls are more commen though |
| 22:52.38 | Jenson | I don't do those either |
| 22:52.52 | Leeds | it was a party for Limmud volunteers, which means that all the people there have been working on the same (huge) project as me for the past 11 months - and I'm going to a conference with them in 3 weeks :-) |
| 22:52.57 | resudaed | I stopped when I stoped working (at a pub btw) |
| 22:52.59 | Jenson | I was only 18 last week and I'm not meant to drink on my tablets |
| 22:53.30 | resudaed | I was 18 6 months ago, and decided to cut down on pub visits once I became 18 |
| 22:53.36 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:53.38 | Leeds | I always seem to be driving, so I rarely drink... |
| 22:53.43 | Jenson | Yeah I used to frink more when I was 15/16 |
| 22:53.47 | Jenson | ^drink |
| 22:53.56 | Leeds | Jenson: BTW, that sounds like a line from bad porn spam "I was only 18 last week and I'm not meant to drink on my tablet" |
| 22:53.57 | resudaed | I always have a driver who doesn't really like drinking anyway |
| 22:54.05 | resudaed | :) |
| 22:54.15 | Jenson | lol Leeds only to you mate. |
| 22:54.52 | Jenson | If I could drive I'd be the driver who didn't like drinking |
| 22:55.06 | resudaed | if I could drive, the world would be in chaos |
| 22:55.24 | Jenson | If it pisses me off I'll pull the leads out and boot up my Win95 machine which is next to it. |
| 22:55.38 | Jenson | I'm scared that if I learnt to drive I'd get all fucked up and crash. |
| 22:56.33 | resudaed | and has a major argument now brewing insie his head |
| 22:56.40 | Jenson | Which disrto you using? |
| 22:56.48 | Jenson | ^distro |
| 22:56.55 | resudaed | redhat 7.2, apparantly a year oldish by now |
| 22:58.03 | resudaed | started with mandrake, then caldera, now redhat |
| 22:58.07 | Jenson | I heard RedHat was really buggy, Mandrake was good and Slackware definately wasn't for newbies......so in great female logic I got Slackware. |
| 22:58.16 | resudaed | :) |
| 22:58.41 | resudaed | nobody old me how easy it was to accidently delete windows when installing linux |
| 22:58.47 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:59.02 | Jenson | One reason I have two seperate computers in my room lol |
| 22:59.13 | resudaed | so went through a phase of using a distro compatible with the FAT filesystem |
| 22:59.58 | Jenson | I think Windows knows I'm trying to get something better, it's being really friendly. |
| 23:00.40 | resudaed | I think windows already knew it was sharing it's hard disk with something else *better* and gave up |
| 23:01.03 | Jenson | How polite of it. |
| 23:01.22 | resudaed | I am 99% sure that mandrake is actually a pentium tweaked red hat |
| 23:01.42 | Jenson | Could well be. |
| 23:01.51 | Jenson | I haven't seen either of them so I can't say |
| 23:01.53 | Leeds | not true |
| 23:02.08 | resudaed | well, I was 1% right then |
| 23:02.15 | resudaed | sure I read it somewhere though |
| 23:02.19 | Leeds | Mandrake *was* a pentium-tweaked RedHat, with KDE (back when Redhat were anti-KDE) |
| 23:02.41 | Leeds | it's very different now - got their own installer, configuration, hardware detection and so on |
| 23:02.50 | Jenson | I'm on my 7th OS (including four versions of Win) well and DOS but I only used it for Doom |
| 23:04.00 | resudaed | thanks for updating me on that leeds, could have cause a major political conflict in the linux world :) |
| 23:04.16 | Jenson | The other day I had to make a thing explaining how to reconnect soundcard leads after using headphones |
| 23:04.44 | resudaed | simple answer: buyspeakers with a headphone socket |
| 23:04.51 | Jenson | So I show it my mother and ask if it makes sense and she says 'but I don't know what a soundcard is' at which point I wondered how the fuck some people manage to use computers |
| 23:04.59 | resudaed | lol |
| 23:05.10 | resudaed | mine'd probably say the same |
| 23:06.06 | Jenson | My dad had forgotten where to find the find files thing today |
| 23:06.14 | Jenson | And he taught me that when I was about 10 lol |
| 23:06.34 | resudaed | start>f>f |
| 23:07.03 | Jenson | Most people can't use their keyboard commands though |
| 23:07.09 | skugg | Jenson, my dad don't know how to turn a computer on or off... |
| 23:07.16 | skugg | (really!) |
| 23:07.19 | Jenson | lol skugg |
| 23:07.30 | skugg | he asks me or my bro to do it. |
| 23:07.42 | eye69 | My dad got me into computers |
| 23:07.42 | Jenson | My mother things that the little close cross in the corner of a program means different things in different programs lol |
| 23:08.01 | eye69 | He's a hardware designer at Ericsson/Solectron |
| 23:08.18 | resudaed | don't think my mum put that much thought into the little cross |
| 23:08.23 | skugg | when I say: "it's better for it if you just leave it on" he just grumbles that he doesn't like the noise (it's quiet P2, located in a different part of the house) |
| 23:08.30 | resudaed | she get's shown every little app |
| 23:08.51 | Jenson | My mother got me into computers. Used to bring a 186 home from work. At this point she knew more than me.....I was 6 |
| 23:09.13 | Jenson | skugg: I leave my computer on in my room sometimes, doesn't bother me. |
| 23:09.48 | resudaed | I leave mine on, pisses me off, but I cannot be bothered to turn it off and then on again next morning, like it ready there and then |
| 23:09.56 | skugg | i used to, but my laptop's HD has become very noisy. it was dead quiet when it was new... |
| 23:10.05 | Jenson | My mother was the one who taught me how to connect leads into the back of the computer, again I was 6. |
| 23:10.23 | skugg | luckily it does suspend/resume in a few seconds, so it's not a problem... |
| 23:10.28 | Jenson | I had a computer like that skugg. Doesn't do it now it hasn;t got a cold, damp wall on one side and a radiator on the other. |
| 23:11.17 | Jenson | skugg: My granny can turn a computer on and off, and use the internet, tell that to your dad lol |
| 23:12.20 | skugg | Jenson, naw. no use. he's just not interested. he could learn it easily if he had the incentive, i guess (he managed to pick up teletext remarkably quick) |
| 23:12.33 | Jenson | Yeah I don't get teletext lol |
| 23:12.39 | skugg | neither do i |
| 23:12.42 | Jenson | Or how to tune my video |
| 23:12.43 | skugg | i'm not interested |
| 23:12.44 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:13.06 | Jenson | If I want the news I've got the TV news, the net or the radio. |
| 23:13.17 | Jenson | Oh and WAP |
| 23:13.19 | Leeds | eye69: are you sure? I think most cards do... |
| 23:13.20 | Jenson | when it's working |
| 23:13.29 | Jenson | I don't have a TV card |
| 23:13.41 | eye69 | skugg: Bastard :) |
| 23:13.48 | Jenson | Although I seem to have aquired a network card with the computer I got last week, no sound card though |
| 23:13.51 | skugg | watch star trek and simpsons when i remember, otherwise zilch. |
| 23:14.06 | skugg | eye69, :)) i was given a vcr too 8) |
| 23:14.07 | Jenson | Do we all watch Star Trek and Simpsons lol |
| 23:14.32 | resudaed | um, yeah |
| 23:14.36 | resudaed | :) |
| 23:14.38 | Jenson | oh dear... |
| 23:14.39 | Jenson | :D |
| 23:15.57 | resudaed | not in n00b language yet though |
| 23:16.18 | Jenson | ahhh why'd i log onto MSN.....people talking to me |
| 23:16.19 | Jenson | ahhhh |
| 23:16.22 | skugg | Jenson, i almost only watch sci-fi, cartoons and fantasy |
| 23:16.39 | resudaed | added the word 'msn' to his spam filters |
| 23:17.31 | Jenson | I hate those people on there |
| 23:17.40 | Jenson | At least when i don't want to talk to them |
| 23:18.49 | skugg | first thing i did when I got the new laptop with XP on was finding a way to remove msn im from the machine... |
| 23:19.10 | Jenson | I used to like MSN but you guys are so much more normal. |
| 23:19.15 | resudaed | how do you find what version of glibc you are using? |
| 23:19.28 | resudaed | normal?? |
| 23:20.08 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:20.12 | Jenson | normal by my standards |
| 23:20.14 | Jenson | ie weird |
| 23:20.32 | resudaed | as oppoesd to normal standards, ie normal normal |
| 23:20.44 | cupis | resudaed: dpkg -l libc6 :) |
| 23:20.51 | Jenson | Damn Marxist mate wants to go piss of some Americans on AF1 Chat |
| 23:20.51 | resudaed | thanks |
| 23:22.06 | resudaed | I don't have a dpkg command |
| 23:22.35 | cupis | resudaed: :) |
| 23:22.35 | resudaed | I think I must have a seriously botched installation |
| 23:22.42 | eye69 | resudaed: ls -l /lib/libc* |
| 23:22.44 | cupis | resudaed: what distribution? |
| 23:22.50 | resudaed | redhat 7.2 |
| 23:22.51 | eye69 | resudaed: That was a Debian command |
| 23:23.00 | cupis | resudaed: then you won't have dpkg. |
| 23:23.09 | resudaed | isn't panicing anymore |
| 23:23.23 | resudaed | or speeling rite |
| 23:23.30 | Jenson | lmao |
| 23:24.42 | Jenson | :D |
| 23:25.04 | Jenson | I'm on a channel full of geekguys I'm perfectly sane. |
| 23:25.11 | resudaed | and me |
| 23:25.53 | resudaed | thanks - version 2.2.4 |
| 23:26.21 | resudaed | need version 2.3, yet another thing that needs to be updated |
| 23:26.34 | resudaed | life being kaade very difficult with these handcuffs |
| 23:26.41 | resudaed | ^made |
| 23:27.41 | skugg | bye for now, gotta help someone program prolog... |
| 23:27.43 | Leeds | stop handcuffing people... |
| 23:27.56 | Jenson | make me Leeds..... |
| 23:28.43 | resudaed | resudaed does not have debain (starting to wish he had now) |
| 23:29.06 | Jenson | ahhh Leeds I'll set Dan on you. |
| 23:29.15 | cupis | resudaed: I know. I think someone ported it to rpm - google for apt-rpm? |
| 23:29.28 | resudaed | seriously ? |
| 23:29.32 | cupis | resudaed: otherwise, it's the RedHat Network for you. |
| 23:29.45 | resudaed | what a pile of shite that is |
| 23:29.50 | cupis | resudaed: seriously. Eventually, all distro's borrow Debian's ideas. |
| 23:30.15 | Jenson | You running Debian then cupis? |
| 23:30.29 | cupis | Jenson: how did you guess? :) |
| 23:30.38 | Jenson | :D |
| 23:30.43 | skugg | cupis, don't say that so leeds hear it |
| 23:30.48 | Jenson | I'm running (kind of) Slackware |
| 23:31.11 | cupis | skugg: Leeds not a fan of Debian? |
| 23:31.16 | Leeds | true |
| 23:31.20 | Jenson | Don't worry cupis |
| 23:31.24 | Jenson | At least it isn't politics |
| 23:31.27 | cupis | Leeds: mind if I ask why? |
| 23:31.39 | Jenson | dankolb called me a Marxist with facist ideals last night. |
| 23:31.41 | Leeds | partly due to politics... |
| 23:31.51 | cupis | Leeds: oh? |
| 23:31.56 | resudaed | ? |
| 23:32.01 | Leeds | partly because I like to manage my system my way - I build and install everything from source (from the author) |
| 23:32.28 | cupis | Leeds: ah, so you are runing Gentto? LFS? Slack? |
| 23:32.38 | resudaed | I admitidly do also like that alternative (seems to have proven itself more reliable than packeages) |
| 23:32.38 | cupis | s/Gentto/Gentoo/ |
| 23:32.42 | Leeds | so many Debian bigots are Stallmanite freaks... |
| 23:32.56 | Leeds | I use Slack for an install, then just do it by hand from then |
| 23:33.23 | cupis | Leeds: fair enough. |
| 23:34.13 | skugg | why do all that extra work when some guy i don't even know will do it for me for free :) |
| 23:34.17 | Leeds | and there's a *really* annoying habit of thinking that the Debian Way is the Right Way for all people in all circumstances |
| 23:34.45 | resudaed | they only list 7.3, what are the chances of it working? |
| 23:34.54 | Jenson | Leeds: That sounds a little Microsoft like. |
| 23:34.55 | skugg | Leeds, i don't think so. but it's the Right Way(tm)(R)(C) for _me_. |
| 23:35.10 | cupis | Leeds: which it obviously is not. No one system can claim to be the be-all and end-all. |
| 23:35.32 | eye69 | I'm kind of a Debian fan as well, but that doesn't mean that I blindly go with binary packages all the time |
| 23:35.49 | eye69 | The Debian packages generally are of a very good quality |
| 23:36.06 | cupis | Just like Linux (the kernel/the system/the idea) cannot be the right thing for everyone - hence we have Windows, OSX, *BSD, Hurd, et cetera. |
| 23:36.29 | Leeds | I've spent a few years working on a) OS install b) a UNIX packaging system and c) a binary distribution (for Solaris) for my job(s) - and it's left me with a hatred of all three |
| 23:37.08 | Jenson | Leeds: Geeks hate computers the most coz everyone else knows that when they get to the point that they hate them the geek will fix it for them |
| 23:37.24 | resudaed | :) |
| 23:37.27 | cupis | eye69: very easy to make customised debs from sources, though. Which is nice for those occasions when the binary packages just don't cut it. |
| 23:38.03 | eye69 | cupis: In those cases I can't be bothered to make Debian packages...I mostly just end up using equivs |
| 23:38.36 | resudaed | wtf, I have failed dependancies even trying to install apt-rpm |
| 23:38.43 | cupis | lol |
| 23:38.48 | eye69 | For instance I run our webservers from the debian packages, and it's working perfectly...it has made my life as an admin a whole lot easier |
| 23:39.05 | resudaed | librpm-4.0.4 basically |
| 23:39.07 | cupis | eye69: esp. if you run 'stable' |
| 23:39.31 | eye69 | cupis: I would have to have a _very_ good reason to not use stable on a production server |
| 23:39.43 | resudaed | back to the RH network temporarily then |
| 23:40.50 | cupis | eye69: yup. And I can't even think of a made-up reason to do that. |
| 23:41.26 | resudaed | is anyone in here a fan of red hat? |
| 23:42.00 | Leeds | I have to be in Camberley at 9:30 tomorrow morning - a 35 mile drive :-( |
| 23:42.11 | Jenson | Best go to bed Leeds. |
| 23:42.12 | cupis | resudaed: Red Hat the company, or Red Hat the distribution? |
| 23:42.21 | Jenson | or red hats |
| 23:42.22 | resudaed | distro |
| 23:42.22 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:42.28 | resudaed | :) |
| 23:42.31 | Leeds | I like pink tie |
| 23:42.49 | Leeds | I'm waiting to see the "fastest faith" competition on Top Gear |
| 23:43.45 | cupis | night all |
| 23:45.57 | Jenson | Ah I've escaped MSN and the other chat. Now I'm just gonna reconnect BRB |
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| 23:49.38 | Jenson | I'm back :P |
| 23:52.26 | resudaed | wb jenson |
| 23:52.46 | Jenson | ty resudaed |
| 23:52.52 | Jenson | Try Slack res |
| 23:52.56 | Leeds | resudaed: joining the Light Side? :-) |
| 23:53.26 | resudaed | this be my 4th distro |
| 23:53.39 | Jenson | I'm sleepy, which considering I got out of bed at 1pm I shouldn't be. |
| 23:54.16 | resudaed | I got up @ half 12 and I'm not sleep, you have no excuse :) |
| 23:54.35 | Jenson | I went to sleep at 2:30 am mind you lol |
| 23:55.36 | Jenson | ahhhhh it's that evil noisy popup ad that the killer doesnt get again |
| 23:58.26 | resudaed | is anyone going to be up for the next hour or so? |
| 23:58.39 | Jenson | I'm going to be here til 12:30 |
| 23:59.28 | resudaed | ok, just trying to setup up a dial up modem |
| 23:59.35 | Leeds | I'm cheching my work e-mail - I broke something on Friday :-( |
| 23:59.59 | resudaed | (anyone rcommend a dial up provider (for tonight only)?? |