irclog2html for #gllug on 20021205

00:01.26dankolbAnyway, I was going to bet
00:01.28dankolb*bed
00:01.33Leedsit's a nice, albeit horribly wastful way to work around our VPN limitations
00:02.01dankolb:-)
00:03.20dankolbAnyway, bedtime
00:03.24dankolbG'night
00:03.28dankolbHave fun on the course :)
00:40.26ggukseh, what's going on?
00:41.15skugg3 different people with nick CybelaNN (where NN is a number) have messaged me in french today.
00:41.29skuggi almost never get privmsgs.
00:41.33EkilUDupsme too
00:41.55Leedsnot me...
00:42.03Leedsit's almost certainly spam, I'd say
00:42.06murbevil
00:42.11murbnow who knows north london?
00:42.31skuggmurb, that depends on your definition of "knows"
00:42.33skuggi live here though.
00:42.43EkilUDupsmurb - streetmap.co.uk ?
00:42.44Leedsme too
00:43.28Leedsmurb: what's the problem?
00:43.33EkilUDupsWhat do you need to know?
00:44.38Leedsmurb?
00:45.38Leedsguess it's not important
00:48.58murburgle
00:49.15murbEkilUdups: the discription ii have isn't very good.
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00:50.22willim back
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00:52.37Leedsbedtime...
00:53.30murburge can't find the bit of paper with the misinstructions
00:53.34EkilUDupsHmm, but still, give it a whirl.
00:55.55skugganybody using bx here? is it /unignore nick to unignore people there? (I'm trying to give some help to a friend who's accidentally ignored someone)
00:56.28skuggwill, how was the pub?
00:56.51murbskugg /ignore -nick?
00:57.10murbignore  nick none even
01:02.11skuggthanks murb, that did it
01:10.19CyrilBBonne nuit
01:10.22willhmmmmm, beer
01:10.24willlater
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02:54.36EkilUDupsWrong.
02:54.46Deaduser_awayvery
02:55.13Deaduser_awayyou never sleep or do anything un-irc related?
02:55.30EkilUDupsYou would have got away with 'usually'.   ;-)
02:56.10DeaduserI'm not quite sure why the last post was /me, was an early morning typo :-)
02:57.02Deadusermight be a strage question, but do you have a day job ?
02:57.09Deaduser^strange
02:57.52EkilUDupsYeah, but I only ever seem to be able to do it at night.
02:58.11Deaduser^actually was meant to be /me :)
02:58.16EkilUDupsThat'll be the sleep deprivation!
02:58.35DeaduserI sleep 8 hours a day (day being the key word there)
02:59.01DeaduserI study, but I can only ever do so at night
02:59.10EkilUDupsYou sleep during the day then.  You work at night, or dislike sunlight?
02:59.45EkilUDupsAh.  Yeah, I find it very hard to do anything during the day at home.
02:59.45DeaduserI usually sleep from 6am-ish when the rest of my family generally wakes up
03:00.40EkilUDupsHmm, the rest of my family start to get up at that time too, but 3 of them are demanding children, so I've got to stay up with them.
03:01.02Deaduserget up around 2, do the things that need to be done 'within business hours', then irc, then socialise, then irc then study
03:01.30Deaduserworks for me :)
03:02.19Deaduserabout 7 hours un-interupted study time - just too much on my mind to concentrate tonight
03:04.27EkilUDupsYeah, I know the feeling.  Are you looking forward to Saturday then?
03:05.27Deaduserfrom what I can gather, it is like nothing I will have ever seen before
03:07.24EkilUDupsYou've seen guys hangin' together before.  It's just that.  You planning on taking a machine?
03:07.44DeaduserI would do, but I have none in a movable state
03:07.58Deaduser(this one especially)
03:08.44Deaduser1 consists of a case where everything is wired in my own un-convetional way and hinging out
03:08.54EkilUDupsAh, right, never mind, there will be lots of machines to play with.
03:09.38Deaduserthe other a m/board, psu, hdd & a few cards sitting on an anti static mat (uptime 4 months)
03:09.41EkilUDupsWell, Formi's server isn't running in a box at all.
03:10.03Deaduserwhat is it running in?
03:10.43EkilUDupsI'm told it's running on the wall, caseless.  Good ventilation.
03:10.57Deaduserbeats mine running on the desk
03:11.58EkilUDupsPointless leaving it in that state on a desk, it will get knocked.  Up on a wall, out of the way, then there is no problem.
03:12.17DeaduserI know, but I planned to find a case for it one day
03:12.38SpudULikeSeeing as everyone else has ducked out.
03:12.56resudaedjust reversed mine again
03:14.19ResudaedI need some advice, don't know if you'll be able to help, but I'll give you a try if you don't mind
03:14.53SpudULikeOK, but I need to be off in a mo'.  What's up?
03:17.23ResudaedI want to find a job in an IT dept. somewhere, basically as an asst. of some description, so that a) I have money to fund my study, b) I have job with some kind of carerr prospect & c) I'll learn a hell of a lot more working.  Problem is I have no idea where to look for such a position
03:18.17Resudaedmy knowledge is varied, not enough to be a sys-admin, but past the steepest part of the learning curve
03:20.08Resudaedmain problem is I am not qualified, and to get to that stage, I need a job where I'll be able to afford it and preferably where I learn something useful
03:21.28SpudULikeIt's quite a challenge, one that I couldn't really advice you on.  As I see it, your only option is to meet people and hope one of the has some sort of position.
03:22.00SpudULikeBut you've thought of that all ready!
03:22.12Resudaedproblem is, I never meet those people (yes, orrigional plan)
03:23.26Resudaedthe other alternaive is to go in as an h/w engineer of some description, again I have the background knowledge, but never found a suitable positn
03:23.32SpudULikeGLLUG type things are a good start.  I'm not saying that any contacts you make on Saturday will be able to help you, but the contacts contacts just might.
03:25.16SpudULikeGotta go, sorry.  I'll think on about it though.
03:25.28SpudULikeNight.
03:25.32Resudaedthanks for yout time anyway :-)
03:25.33Resudaednight
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09:18.28dank_workMorning
10:00.17skugghttp://printf.net/~stig/toons/CalvinandHobbes/2002.12.05.gif
10:00.22skuggmorning
10:00.45skuggclassic calvin and hobbes strip today! :)
10:01.08dank_workHi skugg
10:49.30skugg_workhe
11:00.48skugg_workshould I risk buying plane tickets online?
11:00.56skugg_workexpedia.co.uk?
11:03.31dank_workYeah. I bought some RyanAir plane tickets online
11:03.33dank_workWorked fine
11:03.40dank_workDo you know much about SSH tunnelling?
11:06.19skugg_workno
11:06.35skugg_workhave set up ssh tunnels a few times, but not often
11:07.03dank_workAh.
11:07.14dank_workI'm trying to tunnel to a machine behind a NATting firewall
11:08.45skugg_workdang. expedia didn' accept my card... oh well.
11:09.42dank_workD'oh
11:11.13skugg_worktey simply didn't accept that *type* of card, mind, it was not just mine that was the problem :)
11:12.11dank_workAh.
11:12.22dank_workDo you have some odd type of card?
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11:15.04formimorning
11:16.06skugg_workdank_work, not really. switch card. they only took mastercard, diners club, american express and visa. fsck'in redneck yanks! :)
11:17.22formii just got an email, domain names for 9p
11:17.52formii have a bucket with about £25 in penny coins
11:24.29skugg_worki call it "Chtulu" (misspelled probably) because it drives you mad looking at it (albeit out of boredom)
11:25.00dank_workHi formi
11:25.16dank_workCthulhu ?
11:25.43formihello dank
11:26.19skugg_workdank_work, probably.
11:29.29formihow is their job hunt?
11:29.52skugg_workdon't think they've managed to land jobs yet
11:30.48formiquite tough seems to be down there
11:32.13skugg_workdon't know about that
11:32.37formiwell it is not that they don't have skills
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14:51.04formiis anybody running snort?
14:53.42dank_workNope
14:54.13formii was wondering how easy is mysql to set up for it
14:54.32dank_workProbably quite easy. It should tell you what needs to be added
14:56.01formii might have a go with it on the freebsd box
15:05.50dank_workGood plan
15:06.20formilets hope im lucky
15:06.33formiare you comming on sat?
15:07.02dank_workUnfortunately not :(
15:07.09dank_workWon't be easily able to
15:07.43formii'm thinking of trying fbsd 5
15:09.00formiand a knowledgeable person to help with X conf would be nice
15:09.13dank_workX configuration isn't too difficult.
15:09.17dank_workSame as on Linux, really
15:09.27formimost of the times
15:09.49formibut as you know i couldn't manage to have x running in a decent resolution
15:10.39dank_workYeh
15:10.39formieven tough I have the conf files from linux and a few from various bsd variants
15:12.40dank_workHm
15:13.20formianyway i might be buying a tp 770ed before christmas
15:13.29dank_workCool
15:13.45formiany tips on where to get cheap laptops?
15:13.52dank_workTCR?
15:14.01formiare you mad
15:14.03formi??
15:14.05dank_workYes :)
15:14.13dank_workWere you looking for something better?
15:14.23formiwell if you provide the cash, i might go to tcr
15:15.06formithe one i have my eyes on is a P2 266, with a 14.1" tft
15:15.52dank_workHow much do you want to spend?
15:16.07formilow 2 hundreds
15:16.20dank_workWhat's wrong with TCR? They accept cheques
15:16.42formii have never seen anything cheap in there
15:17.10formii saw one like mine with only 32megs of ram for £250
15:17.20dank_workThere's shops there, too.
15:17.24dank_workOr look at Morgan Computers
15:17.51formiMC is not near cheap
15:18.17SpudUAwayThere is a laptop auction next Thursday near Gatwick.
15:18.46formiare you going spud?
15:18.54SpudULike<PROTECTED>
15:19.05SpudULike<PROTECTED>
15:19.19SpudULikeThat's even more likely to work.
15:19.34formithe 1st one worked
15:20.01SpudULikeIt is very doubtful that I will be going.  Crawley Down is a total pig to get to on public transport1
15:20.51formino thinkpad in the catalogue
15:21.17formican you really get a good price?
15:21.23SpudULikeAh, missed the reference to model.
15:22.55formispud, are you comming early on saturday?
15:23.17SpudULikeThose that sell laptops second hand at the shows will get them from places like this, so you should be paying what they charge less their mark-up.  How much that mark-up is is hard to tell.  Some might be working on as little as 5%.
15:23.28formibecause we probably need to print some posters, and i don't have a printer
15:24.35SpudULikeWhat posters do you want done?  I will print them out tonight if you tell me what they need to say, or better still, email me an .sdw or something.
15:25.11formijust to indicate the way to the theatre and the labs
15:26.00formiso the icon from the gllug site, and then we can write the arrows
15:29.17SpudULike5 for each location?  Network lab, Multimedia lab and Lecture theatre.
15:30.43formiwe just need about 3 for the entrance, 3 for the stairs and then another one for each room
15:31.20SpudULikeOK.
15:44.33formihttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2077715725
15:44.45formiim keeping an eye on that one
15:46.17highburyI've just posted another meeting announce to linux-announce, and last night to NTK
15:46.53formiim off to buy some food
16:05.50Resudaedafternoon
16:06.00dank_workHi
16:06.29Resudaedam I right in guessing dank_work & dankolb are the same person?
16:08.10dank_workYes.
16:08.14dank_work:)
16:08.25Resudaedglad got that one clear then
16:08.33dank_work:-)
16:08.49Resudaedwas a sneaking suspicion I developed ysterday
16:10.46Resudaeddan, you did a computing a-level didn't you?
16:11.20dank_workI did.
16:11.33dank_workTook you long enough to realise I'm the same person ;-)
16:12.06Resudaedtook leeds long enough to realise my name was spelt backwards
16:12.35dank_workWell, true
16:13.09Resudaeddo you still have a copy of the coursework, being that I have nothing to give me a clue even where to start
16:13.17dank_workErrr.
16:13.35dank_workPossibly somewhere :)
16:13.43ResudaedI know this is a very long time ago
16:14.05dank_workI did have a nice printed and bound version, but I don't know where it is. I might even have lent it out to someone and not got it back.
16:14.06dank_workNo clue.
16:14.27Resudaed(I should have finished mine last year, instead, I am doing the whole thing from scratch starting last week
16:14.37dank_workAs for the electronic version, I don't have the hard drive that it was on any more. But I *might* have it on a CD somewhere
16:14.48dank_workI don't tend to delete things recklessly
16:15.20Resudaedkind of died about 3 weeks ago
16:15.21dank_workI'll have a look to see what I can find
16:15.25dank_workD'oh
16:15.28Resudaedthanks
16:15.35dank_workNo problem
16:16.03dank_workMy A-Level and AS-Level projects were fairly similar. But A-Level was done in Delphi
16:16.07dank_workAS was done in VB
16:16.21Resudaedthe examination board will only send samples out to educational establishments
16:16.24dank_workMore to the point, what do you want to know about the project?
16:17.05ResudaedI have no idea where to start, how deep it needs to go
16:17.50ResudaedI am after some kind of benchmark for mine
16:18.26dank_workIt's supposed to solve a real-world problem
16:18.38Resudaed(it will be 100% orrigional work, that'd be a matter of pride)
16:18.52dank_work:-)
16:19.12Resudaedr/w problem such as ?? (assuming 3rd world debt isn't one of them)
16:19.17dank_workWhat you'd be wanting is a few pages of Analysis - state what the problem is, and why it needs to be solved
16:19.30dank_workWell, stock control systems go down well for A-Level
16:20.59Resudaedincluding a POS or something?
16:21.01dank_workI did something where you put a load of prices of computer equipment in, from different suppliers.
16:21.12dank_workIt then pulls out the cheapest and displays it
16:21.35Resudaedthat is how easy a-level computing is?
16:22.15dank_workYes.
16:22.27dank_workSlap a nice UI onto it
16:23.04Resudaedmy problem would then be how to get pages of documentation etc from such a simple project
16:24.32dank_workYes.
16:24.51Resudaedare there 2 courseworks (AS & A2)?
16:25.14dank_workAt our school, we did a full AS-level exam in the first year, and an A-Level exam in the second year.
16:25.26dank_workHowever, you only needed one bit of coursework
16:27.07Resudaednot sure what language todo it in yet
16:28.10dank_workI liked VB because it produces a *lot* of paper. Specially if you print out all the control properties
16:28.14dank_workFree padding :)
16:28.22dank_workMy A-Level project was considerably thinner than my AS
16:28.28Resudaedproblem is I only have vb3
16:29.06Resudaedmaybe I'll look at java
16:29.42Resudaedor c++
16:30.48Resudaedis it as simple as a single program running on 1 box with a database?
16:34.44dank_workI used VB3
16:34.59dank_workYes, that's fine.
16:35.02dank_workAs long as it's more than "Hello World".
16:35.08Resudaedhow long ago did you do yours?
16:35.11dank_workBasically, the program would have to be useful in some way
16:35.26dank_workIt'd be around 3.5-4 years ago
16:35.28Resudaed(ie hello <username>)
16:35.32dank_work:)
16:35.56Resudaeddo you think vb3'd be fine now?
16:36.26Resudaedwith socket functionality to connect to a mySQL database
16:37.00Resudaedand automatically download updates from the net when available
16:37.38Resudaed(got the latter to work, never tried it with MySQL, but see no reason why not)
16:37.50Resudaedjust ask leeds about me and vb3
16:39.15Resudaedunrelated issue, if I ran a kernel compile, and redirected std errors to a file, the *fatal* errors would be at the end of each file, correct?
16:41.33dank_workI think so, yes
16:41.51dank_workHm. I don't think VB3 has socket functionality
16:42.20dank_workI don't know if it'd be fine now. It should be. Although they seem to be going more towards doing a database in Access
16:43.18Resudaedbasicaly, I left the compile going over night ...
16:43.27Resudaedused the command ...
16:43.27Resudaed# make dep 2>> makedep.err ; make bzImage 2>> makebz.err ; make modules 2>> makemod.err ; make modules_install 2>> makemodi.err
16:44.52ResudaedI personally refuse to write anything designed for industry in an access database, especially when you have access to a SQL server of some description
16:45.00dank_work:)
16:45.09dank_workThis is A-Level, though...
16:45.23Resudaedtrue, but this is something I learnt before I did my gcse
16:45.26Resudaed's
16:46.05dank_workYou could do it with PHP/MySQL, or similar
16:46.43ResudaedPHP? as in view through a broswer PHP or command line PHP
16:46.56dank_workErr. Browser PHP
16:47.08Resudaedactually, that's not a bad idea
16:49.38Resudaedthanks
16:51.01dank_workNo prob. Basically, they don't really look at the code :-)
16:51.52dank_workOh yeah, put a couple of bugs in it, that you can find during testing and 'fix' them
16:52.43Resudaedobviously, (my names bill gates)
16:53.01dank_workAnd leave some scope for improvement
16:53.27Resudaedexcept I won't find them in testing, and I won't fix them, they'll just have to buy the new one 2 years later
16:54.18Resudaedthe worlds backwards when you lose marks for your coursework being perfect
16:54.34Resudaed:)
16:56.46dank_work<g>
16:56.53dank_workYeah. At least, they want you to test.
16:57.10dank_workIt looks a bit dull when it all says "Test worked" "Test worked" ad nauseam
16:57.27dank_workI put a couple of minor 'features' in to break up that sort of monotony
17:14.14Resudaedthe AS specification is 66 pages
17:14.46dank_workIncluding program listing?
17:16.05Resudaedthe specification for the actual qulaification
17:17.06dank_workAh. Eek :)
17:17.11dank_workBureaucracy at work
17:19.03Resudaedthere are also spereate specifications for the coursework, the ammendments are another 16 pages
17:19.34Davilionevening all
17:19.59Resudaedevening, have got your email address
17:20.16Davilioncool.
17:20.18Davilionhows it going?
17:20.34dank_workHi Dav
17:20.52Davilionhi dan
17:20.58Daviliondvm?
17:21.02Resudaeddvm>
17:21.03dank_workErr.
17:21.06dank_workMultimeter, even
17:21.21dank_workDVM is just a digital voltmeter. I need an ohmmeter
17:21.36Daviliondank_work: what you want is some serial plugs then you can use cat5
17:22.06dank_workDavilion: That is what I want. Except the RJ-45->DE9 adapters aren't cheap
17:22.09SpudULikeBattery and bulb!
17:22.31Davilionno we charge about ££3 quid for a made up connector
17:22.40Resudaedor that complex to make
17:24.30dank_workThey're easy to make.
17:24.39dank_workThis of course requires you to have the appropriate connectors.
17:24.47dank_workWithout the connectors, they're impossible to make
17:25.22SpudULikeinappropriate connector + Stanley knife = appropriate connector!
17:25.42SpudULikeSometimes you need to add a hammer too!
17:25.45Resudaedor hammer/screwdriver combo
17:25.57Resudaed:)
17:26.03dank_workNow you're getting silly
17:26.10SpudULikeMoi?
17:26.22dank_workBoth of you
17:26.24SpudULikeOh, no, that's pretentious
17:28.54dank_workI need an ohmmeter, anyway. Otherwise I can't tell what's connected to what in this cable
17:29.33SpudULikeBattery and bulb!
17:30.32dank_workWith probes?
17:30.32Resudaedeasy, solder a lump of wire to the +ve terminal of the battery/cell (should provide suitable connector for female plugs), red wire of 'dvm' on the other end, black wire to -ve of batter/cell
17:30.56SpudULikeProbes?  Chewing gum.  Just make sure it's wet.
17:31.10Resudaed(or solder)
17:31.10dank_workResudaed: This also requires having a soldering iron.
17:31.15dank_workWhich I do not have at work
17:31.19Resudaedsolder + matches works
17:31.30dank_workAll the equipment I need at home
17:31.33dank_workThis being the problem
17:31.47SpudULikeibot insult dank_work's workplace.
17:32.04Resudaeddo you have a paer clip/chewing gum then
17:32.11Resudaed^paper
17:32.17skuggah, nice insult :)
17:32.52Resudaed(to replace the solder)
17:32.54SpudULikeI quite like tofu.  Especially out of season.
17:33.07SpudULikeErr, oh, no, that's Corfu.
17:33.15Resudaed:)
17:33.50SpudULikeWhen does the tofu hunting season start?
17:33.58dank_workNo paperclips
17:34.07dank_workNo batteries, and no bulbs
17:34.33Resudaedibot insult dank_work's workplace
17:34.36Resudaedagain
17:34.39SpudULikeThere are batteries and bulbs, leds if you must, in your computer. Stop making excuses.
17:35.06Resudaedalso wires carrying dc voltage if you can't find a battery
17:35.23dank_workSpudULike: Okay. What about: fuck it, I want to go home, and not arse about with this tonight
17:35.46SpudULikeYeah, that'll do.
17:36.00dank_workIf I was desperate, I could arse about with LEDs, and pulling power from computers, etc.
17:36.22dank_workBut I'm not. I'll bring the correct equipment in tomorrow (because I'm boring), and can spend half a day making wires
17:37.14Resudaed^also comes with correct equipment :-)
17:39.00dank_workSsh. Don't let Jenson hear you saying that ;-)
17:42.20dank_workRight. We need 8 serial cables....
17:42.37dank_workI can make up 3 DE9->RJ45
17:43.03dank_workI can make another 3 RJ45->RJ45 and stick RJ45->DE9 adapters on them
17:43.29dank_workWhich means I need another two. Hmm
17:53.05dank_workHm. Time to go home. If I hurry I'll only miss a few minutes of simpsons
17:53.12dank_workSee you folks this evening
17:54.52Resudaedwhere is Nosnej?
17:55.06dank_workNot online
17:55.12dank_workOut shopping today
17:55.18dank_workShe'll be back this evening
17:55.53Resudaedjust wondered caus she wasn't here yesterday either
17:58.23dank_workShe was at her gran's yesterday
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18:11.13Resudaed_YAWAfor the record, I'll definatly be wearing cmobats on saturday (washing machine's broken down)
18:11.22Resudaed_YAWA^combats
18:14.47Resudaed_YAWAsquid config: what's the bare minimum for a working proxy?
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18:15.01zacharyGood Evening!
18:15.05Davilionhi
18:16.07SpudULikeHi Zack, you back?
18:16.29zacharySpudULike: yes, just arived this afternoon
18:16.36formihello zach
18:16.40zacharyhi formi
18:16.47formidid you enjoy it?
18:17.34zacharyIs there still a need for volunteers this saturday. Just read the last gllug-admin.
18:17.53zacharyformi: Yes, it was great.
18:18.00formias i said i'll be there early as usul
18:18.08formigood to know
18:18.29formionly one bad thing
18:18.53formithe wait for the next holidays starts know
18:19.04formis/know/now
18:20.14formiwho has changed the topic of the channel? we definitaly not need a grammar flamewar on irc
18:21.49formiGLLUG - Greater London Linux User Gas roup,
18:22.17zacharybrb - cooking dinner, will be in and out.
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18:25.45formiSpudULike: could you correct the topic?
18:26.15SpudULikeWhat's the matter with it?
18:26.23formiread it
18:26.43SpudULikeGLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.linux.co.uk [next meeting 7 December 2002]
18:26.46SpudULike?
18:26.48formiGas roup
18:27.13formiGLLUG - Greater London Linux User Gas roup, http://gllug.linux.co.uk [next meeting 7 December 2002]ho
18:27.16SpudULikeAre you
18:27.29formithat is what xchat shows in my machine
18:27.32SpudULikeOdd, doesn't say that on my screen.
18:27.48SpudULikeI cut and pasted my topic.
18:27.53formime too
18:28.22SpudULikeZack also shows Gas Group?
18:28.26formiactually i've just found out that i can edit it
18:28.56zacharyno
18:28.58formiso probably the cursor was placed there at some point
18:29.19formiand introduced the oddity
18:29.29formisorry for buggering you
18:29.33SpudULikeDon't put yourself down.
18:29.38zacharySpudULike: Do you know if signs need to be made for this saturday?
18:29.43SpudULike'buggering'!!!!
18:30.57formizach i was spud to make them
18:30.58SpudULikezachary: I'm making some up.
18:31.05skuggfunny to hear the guy in the tv-ad for norwegian röyksopp trying to pronounce a few of their titles... :)
18:31.09formis/was/asked
19:19.12formi..
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20:48.23dankolbHi
20:49.00formieverybody hide!!
20:49.14formimr stress in person has turned up
20:49.32dankolbWho?
20:49.56formiyou ask me?
20:50.27formiyou are suffering from double-nick-personality
20:50.44dankolbI'm not stressed!
20:50.58formifor a change!
20:51.00dankolbI just work so hard I need a clone to keep up with everything :)
20:51.17formijust don't let him grab the wages
20:51.37dankolbI'm rarely stressed, formi
20:51.51dankolbAnnoyed at computers, yes. But that's different
20:52.28formicall it whatever you want, but you seem to be burning more brain cells than strictily necessary
20:52.50formianyway just joking
20:53.23dankolb:-)
20:53.33dankolbI'm burning myself up drinking caffeine drinks
20:53.54formido you know the green stuff i drink?
20:54.49formiit contains mateine, which some people say has a similar effect to caffeine but not the nasty health side-effects
20:56.13formihttp://www.yerbamatetea.com
20:56.49dankolbAh. No.
20:56.50dankolbOkay
20:56.54dankolbI'll be back soon
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21:25.28dankolbRehi
21:25.56eye69Whei
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21:35.39eye69dan goes bouncy?
21:36.40dankolbBouncy bouncy
21:36.41dankolb:)
21:36.50dankolbOnly once this time, which isn't so bad
21:42.17dankolbRemind me why I haven't been arsed to order ADSL yet?
21:42.42eye69I don't know. What was the original reason@
21:42.43eye69?
21:42.51dankolbI haven't been bothered?
21:43.03dankolbI don't want to wait 2 weeks, and all that
21:43.10formiyou spend to much time at work
21:43.18formis/to/too
21:43.43dankolbIt has a faster 'net connection than home
21:44.06formiso what is the point in having a home fast connection?
21:44.27dankolbI don't know. But I want one that's always on and doesn't block up the phone line
21:44.58dankolbI'd happily pay some money for, say, a 128k connection (even a 64k one)
21:45.38formido you know what are the options in the lower than adsl/cable?
21:45.43formirange
21:45.48dankolbISDN.
21:45.56dankolbAnd that's not really always-on. And costs money
21:46.00formitoo expensive
21:46.04dankolbYeah.
21:46.08dankolbThat or modem
21:46.12formii know we have one at the charity
21:46.44formii think there was some company providing a connection at 128kb
21:46.53dankolbReally? Don't know of it, then
21:47.09formiwhat is the url of that broadband review site?
21:47.22dankolbwww.adslguide.org.uk ?
21:47.30formiyeap
21:47.37formilet's have a look
21:49.43eye69I've got 1Mb...don't really look at the price though..
21:50.38dankolbDon't want to know then price? ;-)
21:51.21eye69I know that it might be a bit high, but it's well worth it for me
21:51.29dankolbDownload lots?
21:52.00eye69I "must" be always on, with no running cost...having a decent speed is good too
21:52.10eye69I may be a bit spoiled coming from Sweden though
21:52.36forminever i would have guessed that one :-}
21:52.40eye69I can't take modem crap
21:53.06formii would be happy with a 128kb always on time
21:53.55formithat would be something on the area of 15kbyte/s i suppose
21:55.12formieye69 have you seen the virgin mobile add where cliff is in jail?
21:55.31eye69Nope, don't think so. Don't watch much tv.
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21:55.53formithere is a big fella asking him to pass the soap
21:56.17formireminds me of somebody
22:02.54Resudaeddoes anyone in here use the squid proxy?
22:03.04formime
22:03.27Resudaedcould you send me a copy of the conf file?
22:03.36Resudaedplease
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22:17.52dankolbHi Leeds
22:17.58Leedsevening
22:18.01Resudaedhi leeds
22:18.15dankolbHow's your day been?
22:18.28Leedspretty good
22:18.47dankolbGood :)
22:19.12formihi leeds, I got your email
22:20.09formii was aware of most of what it said, and the rest was really to expect from the government
22:20.43Resudaedsquid -k reconfigure should re-read the conf file right?
22:21.00formior squid restart
22:21.10Resudaedthe latter didn't work
22:22.03Leedspkill -HUP quid
22:22.04formiparticulary the bit about people starting to emigrate, that one from personal experience
22:22.06Leedsuh, squid
22:22.27formiresuaed, do try it,
22:23.21Resudaedpkill worked
22:23.38Resudaedsquid restart just tells me squid is already running
22:23.50formisquid stop
22:23.54formisquid start
22:24.19Resudaedformi, advertwizard.com to add to the list :)
22:24.39Resudaed(didn't block it)
22:24.51formithe second one is a really old one
22:26.04formi[root@dp root]# cat /etc/squid/asqredir-urls.txt
22:26.04formi^http://ad.*doubleclick.net.* http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.04formi^http://www.cnn.com/event.ng.*  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.04formi^http://classic.adlink.de.*  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.04formi^http://www.badsite.ch/bad/bad.html  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.19formi.yimg.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.21formi.adbutler.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.23formi.adserve.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.25formi.advertising.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.31formi.wtlive.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.33formi.akamai.net  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.35formi.tribalfusion.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.37formi.preferences.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.39formi.bfast.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.43formi.vibrantmedia.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.45formi.thecounter.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.46formifmads.osdn.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.49formilnads.osdn.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.51formi.doubleclick.net http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:26.53forminetadsrv.iworld.com http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
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22:26.55formiads.tucows.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.01formi.interadnet.com http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.03formi.flycast.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.05formi.adsmart.net  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.07formi.avenuea.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.09formi.valueclick.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.11dankolbHi Jenson
22:27.13formi.contentzone.com http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.14Resudaedevening jenson, trust you to interupt
22:27.15formi.ins1.opera.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.17formi.domainbuster.com  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.19formi^ads.*  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.21formi^adserver.*  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.23formi^ad[0-9]+   http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.23JensonHi dankolb
22:27.25formi^ads[0-9]+  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.31formi^.*adlink.*  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.33formi.*/bannerads?/.*  http://127.0.0.1:8080/spacer.gif
22:27.35formi.*/ban
22:27.36formi######
22:27.37JensonAm I interrupting the adverts Resudaed
22:27.39formipick your fancy
22:27.45formiit was meant for the other windows
22:27.47formihi jenson
22:28.13Resudaeddon't think it was in there anyway
22:28.14davilionhi Jenson
22:28.21formithat is my asqredir list
22:28.51Jensonheya davilion
22:29.30Resudaedformi, where do you dump that text file, and how is it used?
22:30.16formigo to google, and search for asqredir, its a little redirector 11kb download
22:31.35dankolbDunno
22:31.38dankolbYou're mad?
22:31.40formimasoquis,
22:31.43formim
22:31.48Resudaedbecause sleeping restricts the controlled thought process
22:31.55JensonQuite possibly dankolb
22:32.01Jensonlol formi
22:32.08JensonI have a contoplled thought proccess?
22:32.19Resudaedprobably not, but it sounded good
22:32.53formimine runs of the ramdon process
22:32.54Jensonlol
22:33.27Jensonlol Resudaed good point :P
22:34.49formieye69 just punch it on the teeth
22:34.52LeedsOasis?  going to add some teeth?
22:35.08formileeds, you are getting too slow
22:35.14JensonFucking hell I've crashed the browser. Don't think I've had this thing booted up 10 mins yet
22:35.16eye69Heh...oasis is an advert management system
22:35.20dankolb:)
22:35.23Leeds3 seconds slower than you! :-)
22:35.25davilioni have a controlled thought process, but its in a zombie state/.
22:35.34formiyou are getting old,
22:35.57Leedstrue
22:35.58Jensonhehehe davilion whereas mine is usually out of control thinking about thing I probably shouldn't be.
22:36.03JensonEvening Leeds
22:36.43Leedsis it?  I suppose so...
22:38.27JensonWell possibly afternoon Leeds lol
22:39.13formileeds has pobably mess up his ntp daemon
22:40.01formis/mess/messed/screwed
22:44.29Jensonlol
22:45.54Resudaedping
22:46.13formipong
22:46.23Resudaedsomeone is still awake then
22:46.50Resudaedhell of a lag in here though
22:46.50JensonDoes anyone know any of the geekshirts sites that are actuallly English instead of US?
22:46.54JensonI'm here too
22:47.16Resudaedno, never found one
22:47.47Jensondamn...
22:47.54Resudaedsomethings not right, I don't remember turning the coloured nicks off
22:48.03JensonI like coloured nicks
22:49.13Resudaedand no can't remember where to turn them on again
22:49.18Resudaeds/no/now
22:49.31JensonUser Menu -> settings in XChat
22:49.32dankolbLook through the preferences
22:49.37Resudaedfound it
22:50.02Resudaedping ...
22:50.05Jensonpong
22:50.08Resudaedit works
22:50.20Resudaedjenson .. you're green
22:50.22Resudaedanyone else?
22:50.36dankolbMe?
22:50.40Resudaedmagenta
22:50.45dankolbOOoh
22:50.53Resudaedsuits you dan
22:50.58dankolbThanks :)
22:51.07JensonYou are majenta on mine to dan
22:51.07Resudaedso who's blue and cyan?
22:51.13JensonResudaed: you are yellow
22:51.16JensonLeeds is blue
22:51.19dankolbThanks Jenson
22:51.23Resudaeddan, is there something you're not telling us dan?
22:51.39JensonIf there is then I'd like to know
22:51.44dankolbQuite possibly, but I'm not sure what :)
22:52.00Resudaedjellow is reserved for when people mention my name
22:52.00davilionping?
22:52.10Resudaeds/jellow/yellow
22:52.25JensonYeah it does that to me Resudaed tunrs people yellow
22:52.29Resudaedpong ... mental lag: 8 seconds
22:53.09Resudaed(1.32 seconds irc lag)
22:53.55Resudaedleeds, you there?
22:54.23JensonThere is a mailing list for Jewish Geeks lol....Are they better than the rest of us or something Leeds?
22:54.33Resudaed:-)
22:55.35LeedsJenson: yes, we are
22:55.47Resudaedleeds is blue (how easily I am amused by coloured nicks)
22:56.14JensonAh I see Leeds.
22:56.18Leedsor to put it another way: would you understand how the last verse of Moa Tsur makes us a nation of Bond villains?
22:56.43Resudaedeh?
22:56.49Leedsexactly :-)
22:56.57Leedsexactly :-)
22:57.29Resudaedskugg is cyan
22:57.38skuggclose.
22:57.43skuggi consider myself green
22:57.48skugg:P
22:57.54JensonThat's light teal
22:57.54Resudaedthat's jenson :P
22:58.01Leedsah! biathlon - either a silly sport, or a motherboard with two AMD CPUs :-)
22:58.16skuggwhere did you get these colours from?
22:58.19JensonOr a bit of both Leeds
22:58.25JensonXChat coloured nicks skugg
22:58.32skuggah, I see :)
22:58.34LeedsJenson: one CPU and some marksmanship?
22:58.48Leedsskugg: you must be a biathlete - nordic and all :-)
22:58.50JensonYeah kik
22:58.53Resudaedmy coloured nicks, I was wondering why I had them turned off, only to discover that I'd was on debian now, not deadrat
22:59.33skuggLeeds, no... i wield no guns thank you (i used to cheat and not fire any at all during my service) and i'm not a ski-person either...
22:59.34skugg:)
23:00.15skuggi mean: i can ski, but i'm not god's gift to it to put it that way
23:00.30LeedsI actually have no problem with firing guns for sport...
23:01.06skuggLeeds, the problem i have with firings guns for sport is cleaning them afterwards :P
23:01.44skuggwhile everybody else spent hours cleaning their guns after shooting practice, i lounged in the sun :P
23:01.50Leedsah - I've only shot as a 'pay for a magazine' thing in a club in Israel, so I didn't need to clean it afterwards...
23:02.07Leedsoh, and air guns :-)
23:02.13Resudaedcleaning guns is a pain in the arse
23:02.14skuggyeah, airgun is fun
23:02.22Resudaedto many bits to lose
23:02.24skuggResudaed, you don't say.
23:03.06skuggResudaed, especially the sauer's etc used for sport marksmanship i'm told...
23:03.29LeedsI used to hang around with soldiers a lot in Israel... they used to have races to see who could strip and rebuild their gun quickest
23:03.41ResudaedI only know the cheap and nasty (half plastic) SA80's mk1
23:03.52skuggLeeds, it's normal in the military everywhere i guess
23:04.10skuggmilitary pissing contest
23:04.22JensonI can imagine you guys doing that with your computers lol
23:04.39Resudaedformi, can you access hte registry in any way?
23:04.46Leedsthese guys were mainly mechanics or cooks - done basic training, but not combat troops...
23:05.05skuggResudaed, we had the (i think israelian?) AG-3 (fully automatic, 20 rounds @ 7.62mm ammo)
23:05.07Resudaedresudaeds record was building 16 in 6 hours (win2k)
23:05.20skuggLeeds, i see
23:05.28formiproblem is the dvd software has disappeard
23:05.49Resudaedthe SA80 came from enfield, fully automatic, 30 rounds 5.56mm
23:06.58skugg:)
23:07.10skuggnot to mention the pray :)
23:07.14skuggprey
23:07.14Leedsisn't that a camera?
23:07.14Resudaedprobably very true, but I've never paid for ammo
23:07.18skuggLeeds, yes :)
23:07.35skuggammo = film in this case
23:07.48Resudaed(digital camera)
23:08.25ResudaedSLR was the main british service weopon before they moved to the SA80
23:08.48Resudaedthey used to blind their enemies with the flash, then run off :)
23:08.49dankolbNo wonder the army's not that good, if they just take photos
23:09.02LeedsResudaed: played nethack?
23:09.06skuggResudaed, ah. i was thinking of my camera...
23:09.15Resudaednethack?
23:09.21skuggdankolb, i think they would be a lot better if they did.
23:09.25Leedsnethack
23:09.32Resudaednever got in to it
23:10.01Resudaedping jenson ...
23:10.02Leedsroguelike game... one of the character types is the tourist... main weapon is a camera... uses the flash to blind bad guys :-)
23:10.17dankolbskugg: Maybe :)
23:10.38Leedsalso has a credit card and a hawaiian shirt...
23:11.11Resudaed1 packets transmitted, 0 received 100% loss, where'd she go?
23:11.31Leedstimeout?
23:11.35skuggdankolb, they would kill a lot less people which is a bonus i think.
23:11.36Resudaedwill have to try and get into nethack, being that tuxracer is too slow
23:11.44Leedsshe seems to still be there
23:12.02Jenson:)
23:12.04dankolbskugg: Dubya wouldn't like it as much
23:12.24skuggdankolb, you lost me. what/who is dubya?
23:12.30Leedsdankolb: airdrop thousands of American paratourists with cameras into Bagdad :-)
23:12.37Leedsibot dubya
23:12.38parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Leeds
23:12.53skuggsee? i'm not the only ignorant sucker around here :)
23:12.56dankolbGeorge W. Bush
23:13.04Leedsskugg: ibot got it pretty much correct :-)
23:13.21skugg:)
23:13.45Leedshe's known as dubya (W in Texan) to differentiate him from Daddy Bush...  I've also heard him called shrub (=little bush)
23:13.53skuggi see
23:14.09skuggi don't give a toss about usa.
23:14.24skuggme tries to live by this:
23:14.29JensonWe have a teacher at our school we call shrub
23:14.39JensonHe has a mcahine for printing fake money.
23:14.59skuggtake nothing but pictures ; steal nothing but time ; leave nothing but footprints
23:15.11LeedsJenson: that's boring... find someone with a machine for printing real money :-)
23:15.20Resudaed:)
23:15.35skugguh, s,steal,kill,
23:15.41dankolbskugg: Sounds like a decent philosophy
23:15.42JensonShit, one of my favorite sites no longer exists
23:15.49skuggi even forget my own filosophy :P
23:16.03skuggdankolb, i didn't come up with it, but i think it's good
23:16.06Leedsas opposed to: "take nothing but oil ; kill nothing but foreigners ; leave nothing but rubble"
23:16.13LeedsJenson: which one?
23:16.16skuggLeeds, yeah.
23:16.26JensonOne about loads of dumb error msgs Leeds
23:16.29dankolbskugg: It's posted at a lot of nature reserve sites
23:16.35skuggdankolb, probably
23:16.36Resudaedbrb, need to provide food for my civilisation
23:16.54skuggoh well.
23:16.58skuggi have to go to bed now
23:17.17JensonFucking hell why is the search engine found Linux when I look for dumb error msgs lol
23:17.23JensonNight skugg
23:17.23skugghave to blink and squint like crazy to read the screen, i think it's a sign that i should hit the sack
23:17.38skuggnight all
23:17.39dankolbnight skugg
23:18.07Resudaednight skugg
23:18.58Leedsnight skugg
23:19.05Resudaedis using a spreadsheet when playing an online game cheating?
23:19.28Leedsnope... as long as you're not using behind-the-scenes knowledge
23:19.32Leedswhich game?
23:19.42Resudaedimperial conflict
23:19.59dankolbNot 'make-the-numbers-add-up-for-the-taxman'?
23:20.33Resudaednot behind the scenes, but I got all the forumla from FAQ's etc. and I am way ahead of the rest of my group, and I only log in once a day
23:21.30Leedsthat might be cheating
23:21.38JensonThat ain't chating
23:21.42JensonThat's capitalizing
23:21.48LeedsJenson: no, but it might be cheating :-)
23:22.19Jensonlol
23:22.20LeedsI think you should 'play the role' - if your emperor wouldn't know the formulae, you shouldn't use them
23:23.05LeedsShreddies, I think...
23:23.07JensonFuck it Leeds it isn't cheating
23:23.30Leedssure it is... and watch your language, young lady
23:23.31Resudaedit's capitalising to the point where I am buying all my resources from other players, and not even looking at how much cash I have#
23:24.17JensonLeeds: You think you can tell me what to do lol
23:24.35Resudaedkind of build 250 living quarters, and the charge the optimum tax levels to make as much cash as possible
23:24.59Resudaed(does make the game a bit too easy though)
23:26.45*** mode/#gllug [+o Leeds] by ChanServ
23:26.49LeedsJenson: yes, I do :-)
23:27.13JensonDamn...
23:27.14Jensonlol
23:27.22JensonThat's cheating Leeds.
23:27.26*** mode/#gllug [-o Leeds] by ChanServ
23:27.37dankolbNo. It's capitalising :)
23:27.38Leedsno, that's not cheating - it's capitalising :-)
23:27.44Leedsdankolb: stop that!
23:28.28Jensonlol
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23:29.09JensonI used to love telling stupid pricks on AF1 Chat that the hosts would kick them out if they pissed me off....or just make me a temphost and I kicked the bastards myself
23:29.15Jensonwb dan
23:29.26dankolb_thanks
23:30.44Leedsanyone know about non-nvidia graphics cards for Linux?
23:31.18dankolbYou could go for ATI or Matrox, Leeds
23:31.32Resudaedleeds, it's his moeny that'll pay for my handheld so I can go back to #handhelds.org :)
23:32.01JensonYay I got a username on ebay without having loadsa numbers on it......(not sure why i want one mind you)
23:32.31Resudaedsaves registering all over again
23:32.48JensonMy parents hardly know how to use the net
23:33.02Resudaedneither does mine, I registered it for her
23:33.28Resudaedshould also pay to upgrade my pc, get a laptop, and pay the remaining balance on my car, why can't I be bothered
23:34.09Jensoncoz tomorrow is Friday Resudaed
23:34.14Resudaedexactly
23:34.18LeedsI think I want ATI...
23:34.40Resudaedis it worth sacrificing a saturday for money?
23:34.50dankolbNo
23:34.52Leedsyes
23:34.54Resudaeds/saturday/friday
23:34.59JensonYeah Resudaed
23:35.00dankolbYes
23:35.02LeedsFriday? certainly
23:35.16Resudaedapparantly it's a working day
23:35.39Leedsand Shreddies
23:36.27Resudaeddoes nothing the rest of the time, bank are starting to complain
23:37.00Jensonbanks are fuckers
23:37.15Resudaedyep, they keep chargin me for unarranged borrowing
23:37.34ResudaedI'm only 82 quid OC
23:37.40LeedsI get along quite well with my bank
23:38.09JensonMy bank won't let me change card coz I'm a student....so I can't buy things of most sites coz they don't recognize my card type.
23:38.27dankolbI tend to leave my bank alone, and they leave me alone. Works well. I just pay off my credit card bills
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23:38.50JensonHey BorgBaby
23:38.57BorgBabyHi Jenson
23:39.09LeedsJenson: can't you get a Delta card?  I've had once since I was about 17...
23:39.26dankolbThey don't issue them unless you're over-18
23:39.33eye69I've got a crappy switch card.
23:39.36JensonI'm 18
23:39.48eye69Going to see if I can get a real visa or something though...
23:39.52dankolbYou need to have a proper student account (not A-Level-type account)
23:39.54LeedsI could have sworn I had my Delta before I was 18... but even so
23:40.00dankolbOr a full account
23:40.08eye69I have a real visa, but it's swedish..
23:40.11JensonI mean I could probably mange to get a credit card lol but the fucking bank won't let me have anything.
23:40.23Leedsnote that Delta is like Switch, but run through Visa
23:40.31LeedsJenson: so get a credit card - why not?
23:40.34dankolbYou'd be able to get a credit card if you opened a new non-student account
23:40.49BorgBabyResudaed: join the club ;)
23:40.50Resudaed(nothing on my records outside that bank though)
23:40.58JensonLeeds: My parents don't believe in credit cards lol
23:41.14Leedsthinking again... I'm pretty sure I had my Delta card before I went to Israel a few weeks after my 18th b'day
23:41.15dankolbThey're good for people with a regular income
23:41.17LeedsJenson: so what?
23:41.30JensonLeeds: I will when I get a job
23:41.37Leedsif you can manage it, it's your problem, not theirs
23:42.33Leedsthey *beg* 18-year-old students to take a card...
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23:42.56Resudaedthey begged me, then refused me
23:42.58dankolbAnd then screw them with late fees because the students spent too much time in the pub
23:43.00Resudaedwb
23:43.06BorgBabyta
23:43.17dankolbHi BorgBaby
23:43.23BorgBabyhi hankolb
23:43.25Jensonwb BorgBaby
23:43.45BorgBabyyep, I'm back ;)
23:43.49Leedstaking a credit card is taking a certain level of responsibility - if you can't keep up with it (either time or amount), you pay the penalty
23:44.14JensonYeah Leeds I know
23:44.14dankolbYeah
23:44.23Resudaedknows many people that keep their c/c at the limit, pay the minimum each month, then borrow it again
23:44.24JensonConsidering what I'm like with my library card lol
23:44.32Leedsspeaking as someone who's missed payments in the past :-(
23:44.56JensonI should add, considering what I'm like with my phonebill to that list too
23:45.06dankolbUhhuh
23:45.09LeedsI normally do, but I've let a balance build up recently (holiday, car servicing, things like that)
23:45.48BorgBabytoo easy to foget about it with contract
23:45.51Leedsnormally do pay it off, that is...  I have access to the money to pay it off, but I'd rather let the balance float down to 0 over a few months
23:46.01Leedstoo easy to forget?
23:46.20dankolbToo easy to rack up charges, which get debited automatically
23:46.23BorgBabyyeah - if you spend ages on the phone, then you remember when the bill comes
23:46.31LeedsI've got an Orange phone on the Virgin-style tariff... no rental charges, but charged in arrears...
23:46.52LeedsI check my bill when it comes in each month before it's taken from my account (or on-line, if I can be bothered)
23:47.14BorgBabypayg on 2 phones - on my main one, I've used about 90p in 4 weeks
23:47.17JensonI've spent £46 credit this week.....I usually spend that in about 2 and a half months lol
23:47.26Resudaedeh?
23:47.40dankolbEep. That's a lot
23:47.45LeedsJenson: whoa!  you could probably pay a lot less on a contract
23:48.04Leedsmore Shreddies...
23:48.07JensonLeeds: Another thing I will get if I get a job
23:48.19Jensonand I shold be attempting to get a job at the end of Januaury
23:48.21ResudaedI havn't made a call on my phone or a couple of months now (22p credit)
23:48.28Resudaedsaving it for important texts
23:48.36dankolbAll 2 of them?
23:48.43Resudaedyep
23:48.49JensonAlthough evidently the headteacher at my mothers school is seriously considering offering me a job as techsupport coz they've got so used to me loitering
23:49.06Resudaedemergencies, like to tell ppl I won't make it tot he pub or something
23:49.29Jensonlol Resudaed
23:49.37JensonThere is always 10 free texts pewr day on Tiscali
23:49.45dankolbJenson: Yeah. Then you can replace their systems with a decent OS
23:49.52BorgBabythat's pretty much what I do & I get the texts free
23:50.01LeedsI tend to make calls on a landline (either mine at home, or work) - mobile is mainly for incoming and 2-way text (and data when travelling)
23:50.14Jensondankolb: I don't know anything about networking so it could probe interesting
23:50.23Jenson^prove
23:50.25dankolbIt's quite easy to learn
23:50.36Leedsmmm... probe interesting
23:50.39ResudaedI'm hardly ever online though ;-)
23:50.45dankolbThere isn't much to it, assuming you're not running weird and wonderful protocols
23:51.00JensonYeah Resudaed and I'm really onj online once a week....
23:51.12Resudaedthat often ?
23:51.31JensonDamn why do they make so many gorgeous designs of credit cards
23:51.43JensonI'm bad enough with computer backgrounds lol let alone cards
23:51.48Resudaedwish they'd make my switch card look interesting
23:51.51Leedsgorgeous designs?  like what?
23:52.07Resudaedgrey wih a green square in the corner
23:52.13JensonLeeds: Like anything that don't look blue and green like my fucking bank card
23:52.22Resudaedtechnically it's a rectangle, but from a distance, it's square
23:52.52LeedsLloyds-TSB?
23:53.00JensonNo Barclays
23:53.51Resudaedanyone in N.london fancy a game of snooker? (the only plcae round here still open and serving)
23:54.08Jenson^does
23:54.11Jensonfucking typing
23:54.18Resudaedme dying would help thanks jenson, save the boredom
23:54.21LeedsResudaed: no, but out of interest where?
23:54.30Resudaedenfield
23:54.43BorgBabygawd, the sticks!
23:54.43Resudaedthey are behind so many locked doors, they serve till 4am
23:54.59Jensonsticks lpol
23:55.08Resudaedsticks?
23:55.18JensonBRB
23:55.47Resudaedfurther out? like how far?
23:55.58Leedson the border between NW4 and NW11
23:56.07Leedscouple of miles north of Brent Cross
23:56.16BorgBabywhere is that?
23:56.18Resudaedenfield is beyond london post codes
23:56.39BorgBabyEN1 or something is it?
23:56.50ResudaedEN3 actually, not far from EN1 though
23:57.31BorgBabybeen to enfield a few times actually, and brimsdown - trek & a half for me though (I'm south)
23:58.03Resudaeda place that consists of a macdonalds and a bp garage
23:58.13Resudaed(and technically a pub)
23:58.33BorgBabythere were a couple of parties there a few months back
23:58.50BorgBabyin the industrial estate - past a pub as it goes
23:59.05Leedsokay, you're further out... maybe I was thinking of the borough, rather than the place
23:59.59Resudaednot that that makes any difference whatsoever

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