| 00:00.54 | Leeds | heh... I'm used to people meaning places like Camden when they say North London... |
| 00:02.54 | Resudaed | camdens pretty much 'london' for me |
| 00:03.17 | Leeds | me too |
| 00:03.22 | Resudaed | I don't go south of the river very often |
| 00:03.42 | Leeds | I don't go south of the North Circular very often :-) apart from this week... |
| 00:03.50 | Resudaed | once to wandsworth for a coorperate party, and once to tolworth to look at UKIT trainings setup |
| 00:03.58 | BorgBaby | I'm south a lot of the time, Brixton & Vauxhall |
| 00:04.14 | Leeds | I've spent most of this week down the M3... |
| 00:04.17 | BorgBaby | is Tolworth in London or Surrey? |
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| 00:04.40 | Resudaed | it's both |
| 00:05.02 | Resudaed | in the sameway the london has parts of middlesex & essex |
| 00:05.05 | dankolb_ | boo |
| 00:05.14 | Resudaed | oob |
| 00:05.29 | Leeds | I would say that if it's in Middlesex it's not in London (having lived in both places...) |
| 00:05.41 | Leeds | Greater London, yes... |
| 00:06.16 | Resudaed | technically greater london, but as far as I am concearned I just call the whole damn lot london |
| 00:06.54 | Resudaed | (unless anyone has any strong objections) |
| 00:07.05 | BorgBaby | nope |
| 00:07.13 | Leeds | yup |
| 00:07.23 | Resudaed | actually if anyone has any strong objections, it won't change anything anyway |
| 00:07.27 | Leeds | Middlesex != London |
| 00:07.28 | Resudaed | leeds |
| 00:08.22 | Resudaed | ('middlesex'=='greater london' && 'greater london'=='london') IMHO |
| 00:09.09 | BorgBaby | if((middlesex==greater_London)&&(middlesx!=london)drive2Camden(); |
| 00:09.18 | Resudaed | lol :-) |
| 00:09.44 | BorgBaby | my programming class must be paying off ;) |
| 00:10.34 | Resudaed | IMHO { enfield=london } |
| 00:11.01 | Leeds | hate to say it... ("Greater London">"London") pretty much by definition :-) |
| 00:12.29 | Resudaed | ok, by my definition, I live in N.London, by Leeds, I live in N.Greater London |
| 00:12.47 | Leeds | well, I live in London now... I used to live in Greater London but not London... and I work outside London |
| 00:13.19 | Resudaed | I live in north (greater) London, and work no-where |
| 00:13.40 | Resudaed | Enfield is a London Borough |
| 00:13.52 | Leeds | are you in a county? |
| 00:13.54 | Resudaed | ie a district of london |
| 00:14.31 | Leeds | are you in a county? |
| 00:14.33 | Resudaed | yes |
| 00:15.11 | Resudaed | in a street in a borough of London in a county |
| 00:15.11 | Leeds | which one? |
| 00:15.16 | Resudaed | middlesex |
| 00:15.31 | Leeds | okay, so that's greater london and not london... |
| 00:15.48 | Leeds | I'm south of middlesex, so I'm in London |
| 00:16.05 | Resudaed | surrey is south of middlesex, but is not all in london |
| 00:16.53 | Leeds | surrey != London... some of surrey is in Greater London, like some of Middlesex is in greater London |
| 00:17.04 | Leeds | none of Surrey is in London |
| 00:18.04 | BorgBaby | croydon is in surrey & london, but they think they're a separate city |
| 00:18.21 | Resudaed | if greater london!=london, then london is a very small city |
| 00:18.22 | Leeds | London is a metropolitan area approximately equivelent to a county - if you're in surrey, you're in a different 'county' from London |
| 00:18.47 | Leeds | London is NW, N, NE, E, W, S, SE and so on postcodes |
| 00:19.23 | Resudaed | this all started form you asking where the snooker club was |
| 00:19.36 | Leeds | Harrow, where I used to live, is HA postcode, is Greater London and Middlesex. Watford, where I work, is WD postcode, is Middlesex, isn't London at all |
| 00:19.59 | BorgBaby | but you can't get a tube to watford |
| 00:20.04 | Leeds | sure you can! |
| 00:20.17 | Resudaed | watford is outside the london travelcard zones |
| 00:20.18 | BorgBaby | tube ? (not train) |
| 00:20.36 | Resudaed | (1-6) |
| 00:20.39 | Leeds | it's outside the travelcard zones, but the tube goes there |
| 00:20.49 | Resudaed | it doesn't, the train does |
| 00:21.00 | BorgBaby | trains yes |
| 00:21.00 | Leeds | it does |
| 00:21.06 | BorgBaby | which line? |
| 00:21.23 | Leeds | hang on... looking |
| 00:21.42 | Resudaed | he's right |
| 00:21.48 | Resudaed | the metropoliton |
| 00:21.56 | Leeds | Met line |
| 00:21.59 | Resudaed | don't tell him though |
| 00:22.01 | Leeds | of course I'm bloody right :-) |
| 00:22.02 | Resudaed | :-) |
| 00:22.04 | BorgBaby | he he |
| 00:22.20 | Resudaed | still outsize of regular travelcard zones |
| 00:22.29 | Leeds | Resudaed: so what? |
| 00:22.29 | Resudaed | s/outsize/outside |
| 00:22.42 | Resudaed | can't remember |
| 00:22.49 | Leeds | anyway, I tend to get the Watford Junction->Euston train rather than the tube :-) |
| 00:23.17 | BorgBaby | makes more sense ;) |
| 00:23.21 | Resudaed | is how I used to get there too, why I thought there was no tube |
| 00:24.32 | Resudaed | the only reason enfield (and other boroughs) are not on london postcodes is because there aren't enough |
| 00:24.47 | Leeds | no, it's because they're not in London |
| 00:25.01 | Resudaed | N I think goes into the 20's and it was getting messy |
| 00:25.02 | BorgBaby | you could always have SW99 |
| 00:25.20 | Leeds | postcodes don't have to be sequential or contiguous |
| 00:25.33 | Resudaed | enfield is half on the N post codes anyway |
| 00:25.39 | Resudaed | (having looked at the map) |
| 00:25.53 | Resudaed | although I'm about 1 mile up the road fromt here |
| 00:25.56 | Leeds | so the bit in N is London, the bit in EN is Middlesex/Greater London |
| 00:26.10 | Resudaed | night leeds |
| 00:26.13 | Resudaed | :-) |
| 00:26.21 | Resudaed | some sleep may clear your mind |
| 00:26.43 | BorgBaby | sweet dreams of being a postman in greater middlesex |
| 00:26.47 | Leeds | TiVo is running out of room :-( |
| 00:26.54 | Leeds | Middlesex is anything but great ;-) |
| 00:27.10 | Resudaed | finally we agree on something |
| 00:27.37 | Resudaed | time to change the topic I think |
| 00:27.55 | BorgBaby | phone codes |
| 00:28.00 | BorgBaby | ;) |
| 00:28.24 | Resudaed | 020 is the london phone code, goes up to the edge of herts |
| 00:29.10 | Resudaed | numbers begninning 7 are in inner areas of 'london', areas beginning with 8 ... the outer parts |
| 00:29.24 | Resudaed | nah, need another subject |
| 00:29.52 | Resudaed | (not tubes, not post codes, phone codes, not counties, not LONDON) |
| 00:32.39 | Resudaed | does anyone have any ideas on how to get a working linux on a 386 with 4MB RAM and 1 floppy drive? |
| 00:32.47 | Resudaed | (ideally slack) |
| 00:33.06 | dankolb_ | Yes |
| 00:33.11 | BorgBaby | have you tried any of the 'tiny' linuxes? |
| 00:33.12 | dankolb_ | Look at lowmem.i |
| 00:33.42 | Resudaed | problem is that with only 4MB it needs to use a floppy disk as the root disk |
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| 00:34.09 | BorgBaby | there are a few distros that fit on a floppy |
| 00:34.14 | Resudaed | wb jenson |
| 00:34.22 | dankolb_ | Yeah. lowmem.i works\ |
| 00:34.27 | Resudaed | I do eventually want to get in running from the HDD though |
| 00:35.19 | Resudaed | dan, you still have a _ on your name |
| 00:35.28 | dankolb_ | So I do |
| 00:36.09 | Resudaed | maybe I'll try lowmem.i from slack 3 |
| 00:36.20 | dankolb_ | Get Slack 8.0 |
| 00:36.23 | dankolb_ | That'll work |
| 00:36.37 | Resudaed | on this heap of **** |
| 00:37.28 | Resudaed | bollox to a general read failure |
| 00:37.40 | Resudaed | maybe I'll try this in the morning when I'm awake :) |
| 00:37.45 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 00:38.34 | BorgBaby | have a vodka ;) |
| 00:38.39 | Resudaed | and has run out of jd |
| 00:39.04 | Resudaed | ok, vodka, got a bit left (from a 25quid bottle) |
| 00:39.37 | Resudaed | will have to drink neat, no mixers around |
| 00:41.11 | BorgBaby | best way ;) |
| 00:41.16 | Resudaed | now I remember why I never used to drink it straight :-o |
| 00:41.35 | Resudaed | wiskey straight, don't mind it |
| 00:41.57 | Resudaed | that's cleared my head though |
| 00:43.14 | Resudaed | prefer it with a *dash* of something (orange, coke, not bothered really) |
| 00:44.04 | Resudaed | think I'll roll a fat cigarette, go for a walk, go to bed |
| 00:44.12 | Resudaed | (helps me think) |
| 00:44.49 | Resudaed | I've been invited to this meeting tomorrow because the customer wants to hear technical stuff (never a good sign) |
| 00:45.22 | Resudaed | no idea what to say |
| 00:47.22 | BorgBaby | customer for what? |
| 00:50.59 | Resudaed | I do a lot of back-end webserver stuff |
| 00:51.11 | Resudaed | mostly php/mysql combo |
| 00:51.44 | BorgBaby | ok |
| 00:51.56 | Resudaed | I work a lot with a guy who does a lot graphics |
| 00:53.07 | BorgBaby | I do some teaching around pcs, but mostly hardware/networking |
| 00:53.19 | Resudaed | but I'm looking for a perminant (9-5) job, but can't find one anywhere |
| 00:53.43 | BorgBaby | it's pretty hard these days |
| 00:53.57 | Resudaed | yeah, especially when I have no bits of paper to help me |
| 00:55.10 | Resudaed | I'm thinking of sending something out in the mailing list to see if anyone could offer anything, but am not sure how well people will take it |
| 00:55.37 | BorgBaby | may as well try, it can't hurt |
| 00:56.03 | BorgBaby | I don't have much paper myself, trying to get some more |
| 00:56.27 | Resudaed | I have a great shortage of 'paper', and without a job I cannot afford to get it |
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| 00:57.27 | its-formi | Resudaed: what are you doing? |
| 00:57.33 | Resudaed | eh? |
| 00:57.47 | its-formi | why am i getting cctp pings from you? |
| 00:58.02 | Resudaed | only one, just seeing what a BY-BY ping was like |
| 00:58.34 | Resudaed | slightly faster than others, not much though :) |
| 00:58.37 | BorgBaby | anyway, I'm off to bed - see you later |
| 00:58.42 | Resudaed | night |
| 00:58.44 | dankolb_ | night |
| 00:58.48 | formi | night |
| 00:58.49 | BorgBaby | night ;) |
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| 00:58.53 | formi | funking xp |
| 00:59.05 | formi | fucking colombian flatmate |
| 00:59.05 | Resudaed | (my thoughts exactly) |
| 00:59.19 | formi | shit windows media player |
| 00:59.23 | Resudaed | (don't know the flatmate too well though, can't comment there) |
| 00:59.35 | Resudaed | (agree on media player though) |
| 00:59.39 | formi | he has asked me too fix his laptop |
| 00:59.59 | formi | basically wmp won't play dvds unless it is connected to the internet |
| 01:00.01 | Resudaed | should have said no, I can only fix unix systems |
| 01:00.10 | formi | me too |
| 01:00.42 | formi | anyway, phoenix under xp is really nice |
| 01:01.50 | Resudaed | there are pleanty of f/ware dvd players out on the internet (quick but effective fix) |
| 01:02.54 | formi | nope |
| 01:03.10 | formi | basically xp stops other players from playing |
| 01:03.14 | dankolb_ | 'night all |
| 01:03.18 | Resudaed | night |
| 01:03.21 | formi | night dand |
| 01:03.39 | Resudaed | is there not an update for WMP? |
| 01:04.10 | Resudaed | or something in microsofts lack of knowledge base? |
| 01:05.15 | Resudaed | getting wuite annoying |
| 01:05.22 | Resudaed | s/wuit/quite |
| 01:05.45 | formi | the update restricts what you can do even more |
| 01:06.03 | Resudaed | (prime example of ms logic) |
| 01:06.25 | Resudaed | is the internet thing some kind of piracy protection or something |
| 01:09.07 | Resudaed | somehow, one of the fdir's on my laptop has become a file, and it's contents gone :) |
| 01:09.18 | Resudaed | s/fdir's/dir's |
| 01:10.34 | formi | yeap |
| 01:10.58 | formi | my flatmate is brain dead |
| 01:11.10 | Resudaed | always the way :) |
| 01:11.19 | Resudaed | (I knew that already, he uses XP) |
| 01:11.28 | formi | bought a packard bell laptop from pcworls, its bloody heavy and runs xp |
| 01:11.41 | formi | he doesn't use it much |
| 01:11.45 | Resudaed | pb + xp, bad combo |
| 01:11.57 | Resudaed | we have a pb desktop in our front room |
| 01:12.02 | Resudaed | got it home ... |
| 01:12.08 | formi | and the few things he wants half don't work when they work |
| 01:12.09 | Resudaed | fdisk |
| 01:12.24 | formi | this is a easy one silver |
| 01:12.30 | Resudaed | win98 |
| 01:12.44 | Resudaed | (not perfect, but not as bad, and I didn't have 2k) |
| 01:20.25 | Resudaed | an MD5 hash is 99.9999% unique, but not 100% correct? |
| 01:20.53 | Resudaed | or am I wrong? |
| 01:21.03 | Resudaed | (I am attempting to crack them) |
| 01:21.08 | Resudaed | ((boredom)) |
| 01:22.25 | formi | [12~do you know how to to a cd c:/program files/ |
| 01:22.28 | formi | ? |
| 01:22.46 | formi | how do i type the space? |
| 01:23.45 | Resudaed | the easiest way is to use it's dos filename |
| 01:24.09 | Resudaed | (the first 6 chars (excluding spaces), a ~ then a number |
| 01:24.10 | formi | how do i find out that one? just counting i suppose |
| 01:24.24 | Resudaed | program files would be C:\PROGRA~1 |
| 01:24.35 | formi | it works |
| 01:25.13 | Resudaed | if you were to ever add a directory with the same first six alpha-numerical characters in the same dir, it'd be PROGRA~2 |
| 01:25.22 | Resudaed | (works the same way for files also) |
| 01:26.07 | Resudaed | windows uses that technique for any file that does not fit into basic 8.3 name format |
| 01:26.34 | Resudaed | (origionally from the integration of 3.1 ->95, the first 95 was only 16bit and emulated 32) |
| 01:27.11 | Resudaed | (I have the same problem with smbmounts with spaces |
| 01:28.15 | Resudaed | (many years ago, I though windows was the be all and end all of computers, so I got into the guts)) |
| 01:28.29 | Resudaed | (I was 14 at the time) |
| 01:29.27 | formi | me too |
| 01:29.45 | formi | but have manage to clean up all the junk i learned |
| 01:30.15 | Resudaed | I found a space somewhere in the back of my head for it, still proves useful every now and again) |
| 01:32.24 | murb | good morning |
| 01:33.40 | formi | this is bloody unbelievable if i delete wmplayer.exe it reappears a few seconds later |
| 01:33.47 | formi | morning murb |
| 01:34.52 | murb | formi: sounds beliveble enough to me, if you are running win2k in service pack 3 you can "uninstall it" |
| 01:35.03 | murb | although it just reoves the icon, the same for outlook express etc. |
| 01:35.40 | formi | im on xp trying to remove, or rename the file |
| 01:36.00 | formi | do you know how to stop xp missbehaving? |
| 01:36.31 | Resudaed | back for a sec, fdisk usually proves the most effective |
| 01:37.01 | murb | dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/block/device/with/xp |
| 01:37.12 | formi | i wish i could do that |
| 01:37.19 | formi | not my machine |
| 01:47.02 | Resudaed | mornig murb# |
| 01:48.02 | murb | morning Resudaed. do you still want 'puters? |
| 01:48.16 | Resudaed | yeah, if they're still going |
| 01:48.38 | murb | are you ever in town during the week? |
| 01:49.48 | Resudaed | I should be, I have pretty much cofirmed transport |
| 01:52.04 | formi | freebies ?? |
| 01:52.21 | Resudaed | I hope so |
| 01:52.27 | Resudaed | (study aids) |
| 01:52.31 | Resudaed | finding somewhere to put the mouse in amoungst 3" open books is getting difficult |
| 01:52.51 | Resudaed | c++, linux referennce and 'steal this computer book 2' |
| 01:52.52 | murb | Resudaed: get a proper book. sorry but i woudln't trust anyting from sams |
| 01:53.30 | murb | get a book on c++ and a book on the stl |
| 01:53.31 | Resudaed | is only to learn the basics (ie classes & functions syntax etc.) |
| 01:53.42 | Resudaed | stl? |
| 01:54.37 | Resudaed | I don't usually go for sams, but wasnt a great selection of books on c++ (wanted one there and then) |
| 01:54.55 | Resudaed | didn't particularly want to learn c# yet |
| 01:56.47 | murb | standard template library |
| 01:57.05 | Resudaed | might have been a good idea then |
| 01:58.06 | Resudaed | can you recommend any online docs? |
| 02:00.30 | Resudaed | my method of learning basically consists of writing my own docs as I go (the way it would have been easiest for me to learn, then making my docs freely available online) |
| 02:00.44 | Resudaed | except I lost the last lot |
| 02:22.16 | Resudaed | I am going to bed now (early night, client meeting tomorrow) |
| 02:22.20 | Resudaed | night |
| 02:48.41 | formi | me |
| 02:48.51 | formi | still battling with xp |
| 02:49.00 | Resudaed_Away | where you at? |
| 02:49.56 | formi | at finding a player that can play vob files |
| 02:50.39 | formi | even tough the dvd is from warner wich probably has some kind of funcky protection[6~ |
| 02:50.55 | Resudaed_Away | (just wondered (if you were within distance) if you wanted a hand, bacuse I'm bored as hell, and won't be able to sleep) |
| 02:51.23 | formi | my pig sty is in nw5 |
| 02:51.40 | Resudaed_Away | (the fact that it's almost 3am makes no difference to me, I seem to be nocturnal) |
| 02:51.59 | formi | happens the same to me |
| 02:52.12 | formi | gosh this keyboard is awful |
| 02:52.33 | formi | why the bonker didn't buy a thinkpad is beyond me |
| 02:52.40 | Resudaed_Away | :) |
| 02:53.05 | formi | that is what i told him, get a 2nd hand thinkpad |
| 02:53.25 | formi | and one he goes into pcworld and buys this crap |
| 02:53.40 | Resudaed_Away | go in to pc world, you're asking for trouble |
| 02:53.52 | formi | at the charity i volunteer for |
| 02:54.18 | formi | i managed after much threating to convince them to get pcs with 2k |
| 02:54.30 | formi | had a few fights with dan |
| 02:54.39 | formi | no wonder they went bust |
| 02:54.49 | Resudaed_Away | heh, where in NW5? |
| 02:55.27 | formi | i suppose after telling them `10 of times, no xp shit, they finally got it |
| 02:55.48 | formi | just off camden road, by the 2 petrol stations |
| 02:58.33 | Resudaed_Away | do you want a hand (give me something meaningful to do)? |
| 02:58.47 | formi | my flatmate was suggesting restoring the laptop to factory defauks |
| 02:59.16 | Resudaed_Away | restoring the laptop to an empty hdd would probably prove more effective :) |
| 02:59.27 | formi | i think i will go for that and then disable all automatic upgrades |
| 02:59.45 | formi | the xp install is hidden on the hard disk |
| 02:59.54 | Resudaed_Away | usually it is |
| 03:00.11 | formi | it is not the first time |
| 03:00.46 | formi | i had 3 gigs of mp3 on it and he screwed xp so much that i had to reinstalled it |
| 03:00.54 | Resudaed_Away | (do you still want a hand, I'm only 1 bus ride away, and looking for a meaningful task) |
| 03:00.58 | formi | losing all my music |
| 03:01.11 | formi | not really |
| 03:01.33 | Resudaed_Away | ah shame, I was hoping to get away from this damn laptop |
| 03:01.39 | formi | cause he is sleeping and he needs to tell what to backup from the disk[6~ |
| 03:02.09 | formi | so it probably will be done tomorrow |
| 03:02.31 | Resudaed_Away | just back up docs & sttings most likley |
| 03:02.32 | formi | there is a nice music program on itv |
| 03:02.49 | Resudaed_Away | can't watch tv, my sisters got the couch |
| 03:03.03 | formi | i dont know where he has the crap |
| 03:03.22 | formi | and other wireless my samba shares go really slow |
| 03:03.32 | formi | s/other/over |
| 03:03.50 | Resudaed_Away | copy them accross in 1 go |
| 03:04.12 | formi | i get something like 30 kb/s |
| 03:04.17 | Resudaed | ouch |
| 03:04.19 | formi | anyway what time is it? |
| 03:04.32 | Resudaed | now? 3.07 |
| 03:04.56 | formi | i should go to bed, i havent slept much for weeks |
| 03:05.14 | formi | where do you live? |
| 03:05.19 | Resudaed | same here, my body refuses more than about 6 hours a day though |
| 03:05.38 | Resudaed | just the other side of edmonton |
| 03:05.44 | formi | i need a 13 hours session |
| 03:05.58 | formi | fuck that is far |
| 03:06.05 | Resudaed | about 30 mins on the bus |
| 03:06.18 | formi | i know somebdoy who used to live there |
| 03:06.25 | formi | e15 i think |
| 03:06.49 | Resudaed | the only way to travel anywhere near your area is on night busses, there is no useful day bus |
| 03:07.28 | formi | anyway have a cup of warm milk and go to bed |
| 03:07.38 | formi | my eyes are already hurting |
| 03:07.49 | Resudaed | I'll be up till about 6/7 |
| 03:08.24 | formi | well good luck |
| 03:08.27 | formi | im off |
| 03:08.31 | Resudaed | night |
| 03:08.48 | formi | good sleepless night :-} |
| 03:24.10 | Tarragon | No chocolate - feeling ill :-( |
| 03:38.21 | Resudaed_Away | mornign tarragon |
| 03:38.39 | Resudaed_Away | s/mornign/morning |
| 03:39.22 | Resudaed_Away | brb, x-restart |
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| 09:15.28 | dank_work | Morning |
| 09:17.36 | Tarragon | Morning |
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| 09:23.46 | dank_work | Hi zimm |
| 09:25.12 | zimm | hi |
| 09:25.50 | zimm | just moved to london , so im trawling for local linuxfreaks |
| 09:26.47 | zimm | wasnt expecting anyone to be awake tbh |
| 09:26.50 | zimm | :) |
| 09:33.50 | dank_work | Ah. I'm at work, hence awake :) |
| 09:34.22 | zimm | ah , ive yet to retire , hence half-awake |
| 09:34.29 | dank_work | :-) |
| 09:34.38 | dank_work | Well, okay. I'm half-awake. But that's just normal |
| 09:34.48 | zimm | heh |
| 09:37.29 | dank_work | So, where are you from, and what brings you to London? :) |
| 09:38.33 | zimm | ive lived all over ,, from near Bristol to the hebrides, after running my own business for a few years i thought it might be fun to get a degree ( it isnt ) , so im here :-) |
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| 09:39.09 | dank_work | Okay :) |
| 09:39.11 | dank_work | Hi highbury |
| 09:41.33 | highbury | morning |
| 10:20.05 | dank_work | On serial cables, DCD is optional, isn't it? |
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| 10:37.34 | Tarragon | Pin 1 on a DB9 or Pin 8 on a DB25 sometimes referred to as CD(Carrier Detect) On a Null modem cable this normally goes to DTR but so does DSR |
| 10:38.16 | dank_work | Yeah. |
| 10:38.40 | dank_work | I'm building an RJ45->DE9 cable, so I can't have more than one cable connected to a pin |
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| 11:36.06 | formi | hello |
| 11:36.39 | formi | has anybody heard of trillian? |
| 11:41.16 | SpudULike | Trillian - apart from a hot babe that goes to parties in Islington, no. |
| 11:47.33 | formi | it is an all in communications program |
| 11:47.46 | formi | irc, icq, msn, aol in one |
| 11:47.59 | formi | im running it on xp |
| 11:48.06 | SpudULike | Urgh. |
| 11:48.43 | formi | i was hoping it could grab the settings of yahoo messenger and msn as well |
| 11:48.59 | formi | cause im fdisk /dev/fucker |
| 11:49.03 | dank_work | I've heard of it |
| 11:51.22 | formi | spud, so you go to hot parties in islington, do you care to give details? |
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| 11:53.51 | dank_work | Hi resudaed |
| 11:53.53 | SpudULike | formi: Nah, I just get to hear about them. I heard about this one when I was 15. |
| 11:54.04 | formi | early morning resu |
| 11:54.36 | formi | so it's probably gone cold and old now, {:-} |
| 11:55.00 | SpudULike | No. That party lives on in the minds of many. |
| 11:55.17 | resudaed | morning all |
| 11:55.35 | resudaed | IRC hasn't been letting me connect for the past 12 hours |
| 11:55.55 | dank_work | Yes. It said you should get some sleep :) |
| 11:55.57 | resudaed | apparantly I was running an unsecure proxy (just as well it told me, I hadn't realised) |
| 11:56.05 | resudaed | forgot to deny all |
| 11:56.12 | resudaed | still a pain in the arse |
| 11:57.01 | dank_work | baaaad |
| 11:57.19 | resudaed | forgetting to deny all ? |
| 11:57.32 | dank_work | yes |
| 11:57.40 | dank_work | running an open poxy |
| 11:57.56 | resudaed | I sort of used that line to deny anyone else access between 12am - 6am (my o/night downloading time |
| 11:58.08 | resudaed | forgot to replace it |
| 11:58.25 | resudaed | still don't understand what that's got to do with not letting me on to IRC though |
| 11:59.10 | dank_work | The IRC servers check for open proxies that could be abused |
| 11:59.33 | resudaed | and then deny me acceess to irc? |
| 11:59.46 | resudaed | (very useful service, but fail to see the point) |
| 12:00.12 | formi | don't you have access to another machine? |
| 12:00.34 | dank_work | Yeah. Possibly because people used open proxies to connect to IRC servers and abuse them |
| 12:00.35 | resudaed | me?, only 2 windows boxes |
| 12:00.42 | dank_work | Hence it's protecting the servers, not you |
| 12:00.51 | resudaed | makes more sense now |
| 12:00.54 | formi | i was last night using xchat-text on my server via ssh |
| 12:03.29 | resudaed | actually, I havn't bothered setting up irc on the other machines, I'm the only one here to use it# |
| 12:05.22 | resudaed | formi, anyway, I had a good 5 hours sleep |
| 12:06.31 | formi | not me |
| 12:06.36 | formi | i got a cold |
| 12:06.50 | formi | im considering not turning up tomorrow |
| 12:07.09 | formi | what is worse than a group of linux geeks? |
| 12:07.12 | resudaed | sorry to hear, everyone's abandoning me tomorrow (my first time) |
| 12:07.33 | dank_work | Aw well |
| 12:07.36 | formi | a group of linux geeks all with a cold |
| 12:07.42 | dank_work | There's always January |
| 12:08.03 | resudaed | so who actually is turning up tomorrow? |
| 12:08.17 | formi | i can stand it, but i don't know if i should subject others to the illness |
| 12:09.07 | resudaed | am guessing that means none of us |
| 12:09.23 | resudaed | r/us/you |
| 12:09.29 | dank_work | Leeds might be |
| 12:10.49 | resudaed | I signed up to the debian-uk mailing list yesterday afternoon, not got anything yet :-) |
| 12:10.58 | dank_work | Why would you that? |
| 12:11.11 | resudaed | why not? |
| 12:12.00 | resudaed | the only deb' user I know in here is eye69, could do with a few more people to ask deb' specific questions |
| 12:12.56 | dank_work | Yes, but you should use a better distro :) |
| 12:13.56 | resudaed | I'll use a new distro when I get my next comp |
| 12:14.05 | resudaed | (actually, I was thinking of FreeBSD) |
| 12:14.29 | resudaed | what use am I to myself if I am used to one single distribution |
| 12:15.26 | resudaed | it isn't the most user friendly to get started with I admit |
| 12:15.28 | dank_work | Not much. FreeBSD is nice. I'm using it here |
| 12:15.57 | dank_work | Personally, I prefer OpenBSD, but I can't use it here - doesn't run Wine, and Mozilla is hardly working (they just about got a statically linked version running) |
| 12:15.57 | resudaed | my next 3 installs are going to be slack, freeBSD, and probably sol |
| 12:16.16 | formi | what is the minimum file rights to have a file displayed by apache? |
| 12:16.35 | resudaed | would have thought u+r? |
| 12:16.36 | formi | s/displayed/served |
| 12:17.05 | formi | right now they are 444, but it is not working |
| 12:17.13 | resudaed | probaly a+r actually being that apache didn't create the file |
| 12:17.20 | dank_work | a+r |
| 12:17.26 | resudaed | I don't know as far as fancy number though:) |
| 12:17.37 | dank_work | Standard octal |
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| 12:17.58 | dank_work | Each set 'rwx' is 3 bits, hence can be represented by an octal number |
| 12:18.06 | dank_work | Octal is just half hex |
| 12:18.30 | formi | now it works |
| 12:18.38 | Tarragon | resudaed: I will be there tomorrow. |
| 12:18.41 | formi | http://www.its-formi.net/photos/wyndows.jpg |
| 12:18.54 | resudaed | thank you, 3 of us I think now :) |
| 12:19.10 | formi | for your pleasure, i got it from the it department at prague uni |
| 12:20.29 | resudaed | classic |
| 12:21.18 | formi | and that was the office of the it coordinator who runs win98 |
| 12:22.11 | resudaed | so by my reckoning, a+r would be 444? |
| 12:22.27 | dank_work | Yes |
| 12:22.33 | dank_work | That'd be r--r--r-- |
| 12:22.37 | dank_work | Which isn't quite a+r |
| 12:22.53 | dank_work | a+r means, add the 'r' bit to everyone |
| 12:22.58 | resudaed | a+r & a-wx though |
| 12:23.29 | dank_work | Yeah. So the numbers specify an absolute value for the permissions |
| 12:24.51 | resudaed | that reminds me, time I locked my squid.conf file again :) (left it a+rw) |
| 12:25.07 | dank_work | bad :) |
| 12:26.05 | resudaed | rw-r--r-- good enough? |
| 12:26.28 | resudaed | or even rw-r-----? |
| 12:26.57 | dank_work | yes |
| 12:27.04 | dank_work | It only needs to be readable by Squid |
| 12:27.24 | resudaed | (should really stop being lazy, nearlly as bad as when I used root as user because it saved su'ing all the time) |
| 12:27.54 | resudaed | which one? |
| 12:30.15 | dank_work | squid.conf |
| 12:30.38 | resudaed | as in what permissions (ideally)? |
| 12:33.07 | resudaed | set it to 400 |
| 12:35.14 | resudaed | dank_work, I was working on the squid conf last night, just forgot to lock it again |
| 12:37.18 | Trel | hello |
| 12:37.53 | formi | hi mark |
| 12:38.00 | Tarragon | Hello |
| 12:38.26 | Trel | so I thought it was about time I checked out this gllug thing |
| 12:38.39 | Trel | but I actually do have a nasty question too |
| 12:38.59 | Trel | I'm trying to get blackdown's jdk to work on debian unstable |
| 12:39.03 | Tarragon | Good timing as GLLUG is tomorrow |
| 12:39.25 | Trel | Tarragon: I was really annoyed about that - I'm busy tomorrow |
| 12:39.29 | Resudaed | .away |
| 12:39.38 | Trel | when's the next one likely to be? |
| 12:39.44 | Tarragon | 18 Jan |
| 12:39.56 | Tarragon | ish :-) |
| 12:40.07 | dank_work | Resudaed: 400 would be okay, as long as it's owned by the Squid's process owner |
| 12:40.15 | Trel | where it will get lost next time it goes flat |
| 12:40.50 | Tarragon | Ah thought you meant lost next time you washed your hand |
| 12:41.16 | Tarragon | Whats the problem with Blackdown? |
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| 12:41.34 | Trel | It's build against glib2.0 |
| 12:42.02 | Trel | so it's throwing a wobbler at the new libc in unstable |
| 12:42.07 | Trel | is there anything I can do about that? |
| 12:42.52 | Trel | "symbol __libc_waitpid, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference" |
| 12:42.55 | Resudaed | http_access deny all is denying *all* |
| 12:43.49 | Resudaed | including the allow lines |
| 12:45.50 | Resudaed | after commenting out, it works |
| 12:46.18 | Resudaed | but now, I am running an unsecure proxy |
| 12:47.20 | Resudaed | the orrigional conf was src 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 allowed, 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 denied |
| 12:47.49 | Trel | Resudaed: what IP ranges are you trying to allow? |
| 12:48.11 | Resudaed | 10.0.0.x on 255.0.0.0 |
| 12:49.15 | Trel | hmm, the original should have worked |
| 12:49.24 | dank_work | Get a distro with glibc2.0 ;-) |
| 12:49.26 | Resudaed | does it matter which is first ? |
| 12:49.40 | Resudaed | ie the deny or the allow? |
| 12:50.16 | Trel | dank_work: ha ha, I don't want java *that* much |
| 12:50.51 | dank_work | :) Can't you install the proper Sun JDK? |
| 12:51.10 | Trel | I supose so...I was just hoping that it would just work |
| 12:51.49 | dank_work | s/an// |
| 12:51.53 | Resudaed | debian works for me, and that's a damn mircale |
| 12:52.18 | zimm | ive always found debian to be perfectly useable |
| 12:52.20 | Trel | well, I *am* running unstable |
| 12:52.22 | Resudaed | I've just found out I need to be smartly dressed for this meeting |
| 12:52.30 | Trel | which is just asking to be kicked in the teeth |
| 12:52.34 | Resudaed | bollox, washing machines broken |
| 12:52.48 | zimm | Trel: sid's never that bad .. |
| 12:52.50 | Resudaed | 90 minutes left |
| 12:53.19 | Trel | um, not sid, unstable |
| 12:53.25 | zimm | sid is unstable |
| 12:53.33 | zimm | sarge is testing |
| 12:53.37 | zimm | woody is stablew |
| 12:53.44 | Resudaed | anyone on the far north part of london got a spare tie? |
| 12:54.37 | Trel | sorry, never type when your boss is trying to talk to you |
| 12:54.47 | Trel | yes, I've had problems with the latest unstable |
| 12:54.55 | Trel | gnome2 is not so all together |
| 12:55.12 | Trel | but that's what you get for running on the bleeding edge |
| 12:55.16 | zimm | gnome2 doesnt reallyt work whatever you do to it ,, |
| 12:55.30 | zimm | im sticking with kde3.1 for now |
| 12:55.47 | Trel | whatever works |
| 12:55.56 | Resudaed | I am running woody (playing it safe, what ever doesn't work is my fault) |
| 12:55.57 | Trel | anyway most of the problems are due to the change in the c lib |
| 12:55.59 | Trel | like this one |
| 12:56.26 | Trel | Ah, I want perl5.8 from unstable |
| 12:56.36 | Trel | and once I got that, I though, hey why not go the whole hog |
| 12:56.44 | zimm | Trel: when did it change , ive been running a homebrew sid built with gcc3.2 for the last 2 weeks |
| 12:57.03 | Trel | hmm. |
| 12:57.50 | Trel | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200208/msg00538.html |
| 12:58.57 | Trel | I gave up compiling things for myself a while back |
| 12:59.09 | Trel | (though I obviously can still do it if needed to) |
| 12:59.16 | Trel | but you do get odd problems like this one |
| 12:59.45 | zimm | Trel: I just had a few days to kill when i didnt really need my box , and was curious to see what would actually build |
| 13:00.09 | zimm | most of it did (to my uter surprise) |
| 13:03.16 | Trel | interesting, installing sun's java just crashed gnome-terminal |
| 13:03.35 | Tarragon | Trel: Problem reported in Deb bugs #165352 |
| 13:03.51 | zimm | ive heard opening both eyes while gnome terminal is running can crash it :-P |
| 13:13.30 | formi | im trying to do something a bit winded and is not working |
| 13:14.23 | formi | phoenix at laptop -> server squid > localhost 1000 < ssh tunnel> squid at remote server 3128 |
| 13:14.58 | formi | funny thing i still get the blueyonder web proxy in the logs |
| 13:15.53 | formi | cache_peer 127.0.0.1 sibling 1000 3130 proxy-only |
| 13:16.25 | formi | i think that is the offending line in the local squid server, should it be sibling or something else |
| 13:16.26 | formi | ? |
| 13:18.21 | Trel | formi: surely you can skip a stage |
| 13:18.41 | Trel | just forward the port on your local machine with ssh to the remote squid server |
| 13:18.55 | murb | formi: a sibling etc in squid terms means you speak ICP to it ? |
| 13:18.57 | formi | yes i know but i don't want my web adventures lying on my laptop |
| 13:19.29 | formi | should i set another tunnel to port 3130? |
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| 13:30.53 | formi | aha its working now |
| 13:31.13 | formi | i changed sibling for parent, thanks murb |
| 13:33.15 | formi | i can even appreciate the difference on speed, hehe |
| 13:40.07 | zimm | hmm , so whats the scoop with this LUG then ? what happens at your meetings etc ? .. are you a V techy pro group or a more laid back affair ? having just moved to london , im interested in err , well , finding something to do .. |
| 13:40.25 | murb | zimm: come along tomorrow and find out :) |
| 13:40.40 | zimm | murb: where ? when ? |
| 13:41.12 | murb | umm, see the topic, but it is at westminster uni or some such places v.near the bt towner |
| 13:41.14 | formi | tomorrow, university of westminster |
| 13:41.19 | murb | s/twoner/tower/ |
| 13:41.28 | formi | beer afterwards |
| 13:41.33 | zimm | beer sounds good |
| 13:41.43 | zimm | tastes better mind |
| 13:41.50 | murb | and beer and lunch before at the hope i assume/ |
| 13:41.58 | murb | are people computerfairing before? |
| 13:42.01 | formi | we know what wins supporters,:-o |
| 13:42.08 | zimm | what time does it all kick off ? |
| 13:42.16 | formi | www.gllug.org.uk |
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| 13:42.43 | zachary_knoppix | good afternoon! |
| 13:42.54 | Resudaed_Away | afternoon |
| 13:43.59 | zimm | ooh , looks quite funky.. if i can drag my arse out of bed and find a bus i might come along |
| 13:44.38 | zimm | what do you guys do on the whole ? IT pros ? students ? |
| 13:45.52 | murb | today i'm working from bed, due to london.pm yesterday at getting back from town at 0200 then ircing for an hour. |
| 13:45.54 | formi | hi zach |
| 13:45.59 | zachary_knoppix | hi formi |
| 13:46.17 | formi | i usually prefer the sofa |
| 13:46.23 | zimm | lol |
| 13:46.44 | murb | formi: that would require getting out of bed |
| 13:47.58 | zachary_knoppix | zimm: child rearing technician / student / bum |
| 13:48.13 | zimm | zachary_knoppix: you must be V busy ! :-) |
| 13:48.43 | formi | he is a highly multitasking guy |
| 13:49.00 | formi | probably running a few parallel processors |
| 13:49.08 | zachary_knoppix | zimm: it is hard squeezing in the time to be a bum :-) |
| 13:49.18 | zimm | zachary_knoppix: tell me about it :- |
| 13:52.40 | formi | it is unveliable the increase in speed im getting, |
| 13:54.45 | zachary_knoppix | formi: increase in speed? what's new? |
| 13:55.33 | dank_work | There was a 6-month job advert posted on Gllug |
| 13:56.00 | formi | i have just put in place ssh compressed tunnels between my home squid and a remote one that has adsl |
| 13:56.25 | formi | so i can avoid the crappy blueyonder web proxy |
| 13:56.31 | highbury | formi's had more exposure to more technology though. I'mm just and old Unix hand |
| 13:57.32 | Resudaed | dan, I've just seen the message (vacancy) |
| 13:57.43 | formi | http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2305&page=2 |
| 13:57.52 | formi | highbury check that one |
| 13:58.24 | Resudaed | actually an IT related job I might be in with a chance of getting |
| 13:58.25 | formi | highbury, are you for real? $-D |
| 13:59.05 | formi | it's an interview with klaus knoppex |
| 13:59.28 | Resudaed | eh? |
| 14:01.19 | formi | highbury, do you have any experience with wmp on xp? |
| 14:01.33 | highbury | I've used it |
| 14:02.40 | formi | basically my flat mate had the idea of letting it upgrade itself |
| 14:03.01 | formi | now the dvd player doesn't work unless the laptop is online |
| 14:03.58 | highbury | use a different player, e.g. winamp, realplayer, quicktime, or other shareware program, |
| 14:04.18 | formi | im just waiting for him to come back to back up what he wants keeping and fdisk /dev/xpshit |
| 14:04.32 | formi | no other player works |
| 14:04.38 | highbury | he could try reinstalling |
| 14:04.40 | formi | and i have tried a few |
| 14:05.06 | highbury | sounds like he's got problems. |
| 14:05.10 | formi | it is not the first time we restore the system and it takes something like 20 reboots |
| 14:05.30 | formi | see ya |
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| 14:34.44 | jason_ukfsn | hey all |
| 14:35.09 | dank_work | Hey |
| 14:36.26 | formi | hello jason |
| 14:50.51 | dank_work | Will hardly be anyone there, then |
| 14:58.45 | murb | i might wake up in time. |
| 15:02.12 | zachary_knoppix | brb, hour or two. |
| 15:16.10 | jason_ukfsn | I had intended to be there but I came down with a bad fever yesterday and I am still not feeling right so it's rest for me. I had very much wanted to see Alastairs LVM presentation :( |
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| 15:23.46 | formi | im in the middle of a cold, in my case it's usually a question of 2 days to recover, im still considering if i subject everybody else to the risk of getting it |
| 15:26.00 | Trel | I went to see London.pm's Damian Conway lecture with a fever |
| 15:26.22 | Trel | I had to do a runner when I hit 39.5C |
| 15:26.38 | Trel | and go home and get in an ice cold bath |
| 15:30.50 | formi | usually going into iceland and asking for a trip into the big freezers is an option |
| 15:35.22 | jason_ukfsn | LOL, I felt cold enough yesterday that I could not stop shivering. The last time I felt that way I had pnumonia and was coughing blood for weeks. |
| 15:35.59 | jason_ukfsn | Fortunately I feel somewhat better today so I'm just going to rest and let myself recover. It's a good thing I work from home. |
| 15:37.52 | formi | im off to reinstall xp |
| 15:38.30 | formi | wish me good luck |
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| 16:51.37 | eye69 | Anybody have a tip on where I can get a hotswap SCSI drive enclosure? I just need box, power and backplanes, since it will be driven externally. |
| 16:52.27 | agk | eye69: are you gllugging tomorrow? |
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| 16:55.52 | dank_work | eye69: Try Dabs? |
| 16:59.05 | eye69 | agk: I am. Goin to be interesting to hear about LVM2. |
| 16:59.07 | eye69 | +g |
| 16:59.18 | highbury | eye69: pc500.net or vipower.com www.span.com |
| 16:59.36 | agk | eye69: IIRC you offered to lend a laptop? |
| 17:01.37 | agk | if we have a working internet connection in the lecture theatre, things'll be easy: any machine + knoppix'll do |
| 17:02.20 | agk | I'll see about writing stuff to CD tonight though in case we don't have a working connection |
| 17:02.27 | highbury | sean, never replied to my message about internet access near podium |
| 17:02.44 | eye69 | agk: I guess I could lend a laptop. I can equip it with a fresh HD if you want? |
| 17:03.06 | eye69 | Do you want an installation on it? |
| 17:03.12 | agk | please - |
| 17:03.47 | agk | needs a kernel with device-mapper: e.g. 2.4.20 with patches from http://people.sistina.com/~thornber/patches/2.4-stable/2.4.20/2.4.20-dm-2.tar.bz2 |
| 17:04.30 | agk | but *if* I've got internet access, it doesn't matter because I can connect to a test machine at work where it's already set up |
| 17:04.40 | eye69 | Ok. |
| 17:05.09 | agk | if no internet access, need a patched kernel to do a live demo |
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| 17:14.50 | eye69 | span.com was a bloody IE page... |
| 17:14.57 | eye69 | Wouldn't open properly in Mozilla |
| 17:29.55 | formi | can somebody translate 7.8 pounds to kilos? |
| 17:30.41 | zimm | ~3.8 (?) |
| 17:30.43 | | zimm: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:31.02 | zimm | ~ lart ibot |
| 17:31.04 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zimm |
| 17:31.09 | zimm | bah]# |
| 17:35.03 | dank_work | ibot calc 2+3 |
| 17:35.04 | | dank_work: no idea |
| 17:35.08 | dank_work | bah |
| 17:35.20 | eye69 | formi: apt-get install units |
| 17:35.24 | dank_work | formi: Try 7.8*0.454 |
| 17:36.07 | eye69 | 3.5380205 |
| 17:36.55 | formi | is that heavy for a laptop? |
| 17:37.36 | zimm|stuff | its twice the weight of a mountain bike frame |
| 17:38.11 | formi | it depends on the bike, certainly not my flatmate's |
| 17:38.19 | zimm|stuff | :-) |
| 17:38.23 | dank_work | Hometime! |
| 17:38.47 | zimm|stuff | formi: its pretty heavy |
| 17:39.26 | formi | i might get a thinkpad 770ed and that is its supposed weight |
| 17:41.45 | formi | the 560e that im using now is 3.8 pounds |
| 17:47.25 | highbury | eye69: span.com opened fine with konqueror |
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| 18:15.15 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.linux.co.uk [next meeting 7 December 2002] |
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| 18:36.36 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.44 | resudaed | ping |
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| 19:18.50 | its-formi | tricky question, how long does it take to restore xp in a packard bell laptop? |
| 19:26.53 | zachary | its-formi: easy, it's Microsoft, takes to long to begin with. =-) |
| 19:27.22 | its-formi | what would you call long? |
| 19:28.53 | zachary | no clue, I haven't played with xp and do not plan on it in the near future. |
| 19:29.23 | its-formi | 2 and a half hours |
| 19:29.52 | its-formi | and something in between 15-20 reboots, thanks god it is automated |
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| 19:44.09 | its-formi | hey jenson |
| 19:44.19 | Jenson | hey its-formi |
| 19:45.11 | its-formi | i'm feeling really tired |
| 19:46.16 | Jenson | I probably shouldn't have gone to bed at 2:30 last night that would have helped. |
| 19:47.09 | its-formi | i went at about 4 |
| 19:47.14 | Jenson | Bloody hell |
| 19:47.25 | its-formi | and got up at 9 |
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| 19:47.43 | Jenson | I went to bed at 2:30 and woke up at 7. |
| 19:47.50 | Jenson | Evening dankolb |
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| 19:52.53 | Jenson | Hi BorgBaby |
| 19:53.08 | BorgBaby | Hi Jenson |
| 19:53.12 | dankolb | Hi |
| 19:53.49 | BorgBaby | Hi |
| 19:59.13 | BorgBaby | anyone know a good place (in London) to go hunting for PSUs? |
| 20:01.22 | dankolb | TCR Computer Fair |
| 20:03.07 | BorgBaby | looks like it may have to be. hope they have a selection as I need a "micro" one, not standard |
| 20:03.37 | BorgBaby | go on Jenson, get pi**ed ;-) |
| 20:03.53 | Jenson | Yeah resudaed I know but then I'd have to go to the shop. |
| 20:04.02 | resudaed | how hard can it be? |
| 20:04.10 | resudaed | evening Jenson :) |
| 20:04.11 | Jenson | And it isn't reccomended I drink with the tablets I'm on. |
| 20:04.17 | dankolb | Depends how lazy you are, resudaed |
| 20:04.18 | Jenson | And I get really stupid when I drink lol |
| 20:04.35 | Jenson | How hard can what be resudaed? I'm sure we could find out :P |
| 20:04.39 | BorgBaby | what happens if you drink on them? |
| 20:04.50 | Jenson | Supposedly nothing BorgBaby |
| 20:04.52 | resudaed | you got pissed about 4 times as quick |
| 20:05.16 | Jenson | I disolved water soluable paracetamol in whisy once.....damn ammusing if potentially lethal lol |
| 20:06.00 | resudaed | I've done that a few times in my stomache |
| 20:06.11 | Jenson | resudaed: whats coproximol for |
| 20:06.25 | BorgBaby | sounds familiar... |
| 20:06.27 | resudaed | have no idea, was in the cupboard, said do not drink |
| 20:06.32 | resudaed | :) |
| 20:06.36 | Jenson | lol |
| 20:06.39 | resudaed | joking, it is a pain killer |
| 20:06.49 | *** part/#gllug its-formi (~andres@usr89-har.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 20:07.02 | resudaed | I screwed my knees a few months back |
| 20:07.17 | Jenson | painkillers and alcohol don't mix well lol...make you all lightheaded |
| 20:07.31 | BorgBaby | from a quick google, I'd guess its a painkiller with codeine in it |
| 20:07.35 | resudaed | not that I use nail varnish remover that often |
| 20:07.45 | Jenson | codeine is addictive |
| 20:07.57 | Jenson | I don't use nail varnish remover my nails are always to short. |
| 20:08.01 | Resudaed | even more with an alcohol mixture |
| 20:08.12 | BorgBaby | Jenson: ever had codeine liquid? |
| 20:08.20 | Jenson | No BorgBaby |
| 20:08.45 | BorgBaby | if ya get it, try it... (works wonders for your cough too!!!) |
| 20:08.52 | Resudaed | I often use paracetemol, but I needed something a bit stronger, tore tendons in both knees :) |
| 20:09.15 | Jenson | Sounds fun Borgbaby....I know it cures coughs but why do people get addicted to it? |
| 20:10.11 | BorgBaby | Only had it once (as liquid) - for a cough. Very nice... AS for addictive, haven't a clue, I don't think codeine addiction is exactly common. |
| 20:10.24 | Resudaed | (I was stupid, my knees gave way on an exercise, then 20 miles in to a 64 mile charity bike ride, my knees were in agony again (I then finished the bike ride) |
| 20:10.27 | Jenson | No I don't think is common but it happens |
| 20:10.56 | Resudaed | it was so bad I needed help to get off my bike |
| 20:11.19 | BorgBaby | probably similar to ppl getting addicted to nurofen. its the painkiller thing |
| 20:11.21 | Jenson | Resudaed: little insane are you mate? |
| 20:11.46 | Resudaed | just a bit |
| 20:12.06 | Jenson | I got psychologically addicted to the last tablets I was on....but the physical addicition wasn't actually bad. |
| 20:12.14 | Resudaed | the TA gave me 6 months medical leave because of it, I go back on tuesday next week |
| 20:12.30 | BorgBaby | Jenson: what were they? |
| 20:12.43 | Jenson | flupentixthol |
| 20:12.57 | Resudaed | never heard of it, but it sounds like good shit :) |
| 20:13.01 | BorgBaby | fluppies for short ;-) |
| 20:13.45 | Jenson | Resudaed: It's an antipsychotic.....which is why I was taken off of it coz it wan't what I needed.....my doctor was rather annoyed at the other for prescribing it |
| 20:13.51 | Jenson | I forget what I'm on now |
| 20:13.53 | Jenson | I'll look |
| 20:14.02 | Resudaed | paracetemol for hangovers and coproximol the once |
| 20:14.25 | Jenson | I'm on cipralex now. |
| 20:14.38 | Resudaed | I think it was a paracetemol that killed bruce lee |
| 20:14.54 | BorgBaby | dunno...are antipsychotics similar to MAOI inhibitos or betablockers? |
| 20:15.10 | Jenson | yeah MAOI inhibiters I think. |
| 20:15.22 | Resudaed | he had never taken anything in his life, and then at the age of 70 something (I think) he took 1 paracetemol, and it killed him |
| 20:15.22 | Jenson | I'm not sure. |
| 20:15.24 | BorgBaby | that explains why you get pissed quicker |
| 20:15.43 | Jenson | When I got them I was really very fucked up with panic attacks |
| 20:15.46 | Jenson | I'm a lot better now/ |
| 20:16.20 | Jenson | I was so fucked up that I couldn't sit and chat without panicking.....I couldn't do anything |
| 20:16.21 | BorgBaby | with any MAOI inhibitor, any other drug (drink, e , whatever) will work about 3-4 times as much as it should |
| 20:17.09 | Resudaed | writing a cv when you messd up school is hard |
| 20:17.20 | Resudaed | s/messd/messed |
| 20:17.47 | BorgBaby | how old are you now? |
| 20:17.50 | Jenson | Yeah Resudaed thart's currenlty happening to me. If I panic during the exams in Jan like I did in June them I'm fucked |
| 20:17.52 | Resudaed | 18 |
| 20:18.43 | Resudaed | I enjoyed my exams, the only bit I knew I would do well |
| 20:18.46 | zimm|stuff | Resudaed: Bruce lee was in his 30's when he died |
| 20:19.02 | Resudaed | was it his 30's? sure he died an old man |
| 20:19.13 | zimm|stuff | no , thats why it was big news man .. |
| 20:19.27 | zimm|stuff | halfway through his 5th film |
| 20:19.30 | Resudaed | it was him who died of paracetemol was it? |
| 20:19.34 | Jenson | Resudaed: Yeah I used to like exams....meant I couldn;t talk to the pople near me and I got on with something for once. |
| 20:19.52 | zimm|stuff | Resudaed: it wasnt paracetamol , but it was something just as innocuous |
| 20:21.01 | Resudaed | exams were the only time where I didn't have to listen to teacher explaining the basics of something to me |
| 20:21.16 | Resudaed | (IMHO, most of gcse's were the basics of things) |
| 20:21.21 | Jenson | Exactly |
| 20:21.33 | Jenson | Other than electronics which was the basics of fucking it up. |
| 20:21.51 | Jenson | I don't think many of us did zimm|stuff |
| 20:21.52 | Resudaed | neither did I, well no coursework, is why I came out with 6 pA-C's |
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| 20:22.05 | Resudaed | as in almost *no* coursework |
| 20:22.08 | zimm|stuff | GCSE's were like , turn uop, ask what subject , do it , piss off home |
| 20:22.43 | zimm|stuff | unfortunatly im finding degree's to be a little harder |
| 20:22.47 | zimm|stuff | :-) |
| 20:23.07 | Jenson | I think that's the point zimm|stuff |
| 20:23.23 | zimm|stuff | lol |
| 20:26.55 | Resudaed | and going to uni next year |
| 20:27.06 | zimm | Resudaed: what do you want to do at Uni ? |
| 20:27.14 | Resudaed | something comp sci related |
| 20:27.34 | dankolb | You are doing A-Level Maths, then? |
| 20:27.37 | dankolb | Or will be doing? |
| 20:27.43 | Jenson | I was doing A Level maths |
| 20:27.49 | Jenson | but I go removed lol |
| 20:27.57 | dankolb | You need it for any sciency degree |
| 20:28.01 | Jenson | the Uni guy daid I wouldn't need A Level maths |
| 20:28.15 | zimm | you dont NEED maths to do comp sci , i talked my way into Keele uni , and i never even took maths |
| 20:28.15 | Resudaed | maths and computing def (no comments about the a-level comp please), possibly physics |
| 20:28.56 | zimm | admittedly , i left ... but thats not the point :-) |
| 20:29.33 | dankolb | Physics can be useful |
| 20:29.49 | Resudaed | not really, just for pure fun (sick SOAB) |
| 20:29.55 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:30.06 | dankolb | A-Level Physics is easy anyway |
| 20:30.08 | Jenson | Physics GCSE was fun pour teacher was never in control of us |
| 20:30.09 | zimm | physics is fun ,, |
| 20:30.20 | Resudaed | I know, bit limited, but fun never the less |
| 20:31.50 | Jenson | You people are obviously clever than me......I'm just an idiot lol |
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| 20:32.07 | Jenson | hey unclex |
| 20:32.09 | dankolb | No you're not |
| 20:32.11 | dankolb | Hi unclex |
| 20:32.48 | Resudaed | Hi uncles |
| 20:32.49 | zimm | Jenson: never tell yourself you are an idiot ,, thats for other people to think , and be wrong about :-) |
| 20:33.00 | Resudaed | doh, can't even 'speel' his name |
| 20:33.18 | unclex | hi just waiting for Formi |
| 20:33.30 | Jenson | Sorry I'm in self hating mood just ignore me |
| 20:33.31 | unclex | he is just comming |
| 20:33.37 | Jenson | Maybe I should leave |
| 20:34.45 | dankolb | No |
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| 20:35.23 | Jenson | hey formi |
| 20:35.26 | Resudaed | hey formi |
| 20:35.38 | dankolb | Hi formi |
| 20:35.40 | Resudaed | say uncles (random comment) |
| 20:35.41 | formi | hello |
| 20:35.57 | formi | anybody familiar with php nuke? |
| 20:36.05 | dankolb | Nope |
| 20:36.16 | Jenson | I'm leaving guys. I'll come back later when I'm not going to irritate everyone. |
| 20:36.16 | Resudaed | ^is |
| 20:36.25 | Jenson | I'm ok I'm just not going to inflict myself on you. |
| 20:36.29 | formi | see ya |
| 20:36.36 | Jenson | See ya formi |
| 20:36.42 | zimm | laters Jenson |
| 20:36.43 | Resudaed | bye then |
| 20:36.46 | formi | how polite ofu |
| 20:36.49 | Tarragon | NIght Jenson |
| 20:36.51 | Jenson | See ya |
| 20:36.53 | Borg321 | see you |
| 20:37.06 | *** part/#gllug Jenson (Jenson@213.122.218.46) |
| 20:37.36 | Borg321 | see |
| 20:37.51 | Borg321 | (oops! wrong window!) |
| 20:38.20 | Resudaed | no cert's, just 6 a-cs @ gcse |
| 20:39.35 | zimm | Resudaed: just lie , hardly anyone checks a CV |
| 20:39.52 | unclex | formi |
| 20:42.01 | Borg321 | anyone know how to change the menus in gdm? |
| 20:42.37 | Resudaed | right click on the foot thing, click 'edit menus' |
| 20:42.54 | Resudaed | (or anything on the bar gadget) |
| 20:42.54 | Borg321 | foot thing? |
| 20:43.03 | Resudaed | foot thing |
| 20:43.33 | Resudaed | gdm as in gnome right ? |
| 20:44.04 | Borg321 | yeah, gnome display mgr |
| 20:44.26 | Borg321 | wanted to add to list of window managers |
| 20:44.36 | Resudaed | yeah, there is a 'foot thing' equiv of windows start button. |
| 20:45.11 | Borg321 | I;ll give it a go |
| 20:45.51 | Resudaed | :) |
| 20:45.59 | Resudaed | somebody'll tell me I'm wrong now |
| 20:49.38 | dankolb | gdm is the equivalent of xdm, not the window manager |
| 20:50.10 | Resudaed | are the menus in gdm not refering to the ones in gnome though? |
| 20:50.24 | dankolb | Nope |
| 20:50.50 | dankolb | If you have an X login manager, you get a list of window managers that you can choose from on login |
| 20:51.11 | dankolb | AfterStep^WWindowMaker! |
| 20:51.14 | Resudaed | so what is gnome then if not a desktop manager? |
| 20:51.28 | dankolb | A desktop environment. |
| 20:51.32 | zimm | gnome is .. |
| 20:51.34 | zimm | exactly |
| 20:51.35 | dankolb | And that's different to a login manager |
| 20:51.54 | Resudaed | gdm is just a login manager then? |
| 20:52.00 | zimm | yup |
| 20:52.02 | dankolb | Yes |
| 20:52.13 | Resudaed | ah well, told you somebody'd put me in my place :) |
| 20:52.57 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:54.48 | dankolb | Any time ;-) |
| 20:55.24 | Resudaed | I just assumed being that my install attempts to load gdm, kdm and xdm (in that order) |
| 20:55.30 | Resudaed | saying that, the last 2 do fail |
| 20:55.45 | dankolb | Ah right |
| 20:56.12 | highbury | I use kdm :-) |
| 20:56.58 | formi | quick question, is anybody playing dvds off a laptop connected to a tv? |
| 20:56.58 | Borg321 | I used to do that |
| 20:57.06 | highbury | The Display Manager is different from the Desktop Environment and different from Desktop Manager |
| 20:58.22 | formi | what do i need to do that? i suppose an adaptor, anybody knows how much they cost? |
| 20:59.12 | formi | one of these days im going to commit flatmati-cide |
| 20:59.17 | Borg321 | you mean dvd drive on laptop playing dvd, showing on tv screen |
| 20:59.19 | Borg321 | ? |
| 20:59.30 | formi | exactly |
| 20:59.48 | Resudaed | never seen it done from a laptop |
| 20:59.57 | Borg321 | no, but am curious |
| 21:00.43 | Borg321 | wouldn't you have to tell X it has another display (the tv) ? |
| 21:00.51 | formi | ill pop tommorrow in pcworld and ask |
| 21:01.00 | dankolb | It works nicely for me, under OS X :-P |
| 21:01.11 | formi | its a bloody xp shit |
| 21:01.30 | unclex | formi its up |
| 21:01.50 | dankolb | Well get a PowerBook G4, then |
| 21:01.57 | formi | no indecent comment in the channel please |
| 21:02.33 | dankolb | But they're so much nicer than PCs |
| 21:02.44 | zimm | and they cost SOO much more too |
| 21:02.51 | dankolb | Yeah. It's worth it, though |
| 21:02.54 | zimm | utter waste of money |
| 21:02.54 | Borg321 | I like the design, but not the software |
| 21:02.59 | dankolb | No they're not |
| 21:03.10 | formi | there is company selling atx powerpc boards |
| 21:03.18 | dankolb | Cool |
| 21:03.30 | formi | through the yellow dog distro site |
| 21:03.53 | Borg321 | has anyone here used yellow dog? |
| 21:04.55 | dankolb | Heh |
| 21:07.08 | Resudaed | or seen the yellow snowman (the snowman the yelow dog pissed against) |
| 21:07.13 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:07.34 | Resudaed | it looks disgusting :) |
| 21:08.33 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:10.45 | eye69 | Evening again |
| 21:10.53 | Resudaed | evening |
| 21:10.57 | BorgBaby | hi |
| 21:11.15 | Trel | quick question...does anyone know when /tmp will be cleared out (if at all) on debian? |
| 21:11.54 | eye69 | Trel: At reboot |
| 21:12.07 | Trel | hmm, that's what I feared |
| 21:12.26 | eye69 | That is normal system behaviour |
| 21:12.29 | dankolb | Why? Do you store things in /tmp? |
| 21:12.38 | Trel | oh, I've got some code that does it |
| 21:12.51 | Trel | I guess I'll have to change it |
| 21:13.11 | BorgBaby | change it to a permanent directory |
| 21:13.19 | highbury | /var/tmp is safer |
| 21:13.49 | eye69 | It's done in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh according to a simple grep |
| 21:14.30 | Trel | I think I'll avoid this code and use a different module all together |
| 21:14.30 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.56 | BorgBaby | Trel: is it your code or someone elses? |
| 21:15.03 | Trel | someone else's |
| 21:15.05 | eye69 | Code storing things in tmp should only store tmpfiles there |
| 21:15.13 | BorgBaby | change it ;) |
| 21:15.17 | Trel | yeah, I don't think it means it to be perminant |
| 21:15.30 | Trel | I'll probably patch it later |
| 21:15.33 | Trel | but I don't have time now |
| 21:24.35 | dankolb | Time for HIGNFY |
| 21:24.37 | dankolb | Back later |
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| 21:26.57 | Resudaed | evening again Jenson |
| 21:27.22 | *** join/#gllug unclex (unclex@userfd171.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 21:27.26 | Jenson | Heya Resudaed |
| 21:27.29 | Jenson | wb unclex |
| 21:27.41 | BorgBaby | hi Jenson |
| 21:27.47 | Jenson | Hey BorgBaby |
| 21:28.17 | skugg | Tarragon, you there? |
| 21:28.27 | Jenson | Evening skugg |
| 21:28.35 | skugg | hi Jenson |
| 21:28.42 | skugg | :) |
| 21:28.56 | skugg | who's going to gllug tomorrow? |
| 21:29.01 | BorgBaby | apparently its -5 outside |
| 21:29.03 | zimm | wb Jenson |
| 21:29.11 | formi | i will try |
| 21:29.42 | zachary | unless the world suddenly stops spinning, I'll be there. |
| 21:29.42 | highbury | formi! you said you'd be helping |
| 21:29.42 | Jenson | ty zimm |
| 21:29.55 | BorgBaby | I should be going |
| 21:30.11 | Jenson | I won't be there...I hope to be there in Januaury though |
| 21:30.11 | zimm | :-( |
| 21:30.13 | Resudaed | bye BorgBaby |
| 21:30.20 | BorgBaby | you off ? |
| 21:30.38 | Jenson | He/She means they should be going to gllug Resudaed |
| 21:31.00 | Resudaed | doh, what you get for joining halfway though a conversation |
| 21:31.11 | BorgBaby | it's he, Jenson ;) |
| 21:31.19 | Jenson | Nothing new there then Resudaed lol |
| 21:31.24 | highbury | We just need confirmation from Westminster Uni for the rooms, and rustle up some speakers, and hopefully that'll be in 18-Jan |
| 21:31.26 | Jenson | Everyone is he except me I think lol |
| 21:31.54 | BorgBaby | there's always ibot |
| 21:32.22 | highbury | I'm a me too! |
| 21:32.27 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:32.30 | zimm | heh |
| 21:32.30 | Jenson | but I'm me |
| 21:32.43 | BorgBaby | no I'm me |
| 21:32.53 | zimm | im not |
| 21:32.53 | Jenson | <AOL> Me too! </AOL> |
| 21:32.56 | highbury | me! me! ME!! |
| 21:33.14 | Resudaed | Me!! |
| 21:33.22 | highbury | :) |
| 21:33.45 | Resudaed | or he? |
| 21:33.52 | Jenson | or he |
| 21:33.56 | Jenson | or both |
| 21:36.37 | BorgBaby | if(!me){?} |
| 21:37.58 | BorgBaby | stop it you two, you'll make me blush |
| 21:38.11 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:38.30 | Jenson | Want me to exam you in more detail too BorgBaby? |
| 21:39.11 | BorgBaby | if you promise not to fry my circuits |
| 21:39.14 | Resudaed | cough drop? |
| 21:39.21 | formi | sexual harrasment on the gllug channel, never heard off |
| 21:39.42 | Jenson | I don't think girls were heard of either though formi. |
| 21:39.48 | Resudaed | blame Jenson, she wanted to examin all of us to see if we all deserve the title 'he' |
| 21:40.13 | formi | i shall stand in pride and not let here |
| 21:40.15 | formi | i shall stand in pride and not let her |
| 21:40.18 | Resudaed | :) |
| 21:40.25 | Jenson | Well if you choose formi |
| 21:40.41 | Resudaed | just join the imagnary line |
| 21:40.47 | formi | i shall stand in pride and very quiet |
| 21:41.06 | Jenson | I have a bad influence on this channel lol |
| 21:41.19 | BorgBaby | what happens if we need a second opinion? |
| 21:41.22 | Resudaed | are you sure it's not the other way around though :) |
| 21:41.28 | zimm | Jenson: of course my dear , you are a not-male |
| 21:41.51 | Resudaed | I think ibot is the only one is a suitable position to check |
| 21:41.52 | Jenson | What you are a bad influence on me Resudaed? |
| 21:42.05 | Jenson | ibot Resudaed |
| 21:42.05 | | i haven't a clue, Jenson |
| 21:42.09 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:42.15 | Resudaed | the channel, the channel |
| 21:42.36 | formi | we are a bad influence, no, you are perverting us |
| 21:43.07 | formi | this was a female free zone before you came and starred up the group |
| 21:43.14 | BorgBaby | I feel corrupted |
| 21:43.55 | Jenson | It'll be worse when I come to gllug, esp if I bring a couple of mates |
| 21:44.08 | BorgBaby | are you coming tomorrow? |
| 21:44.28 | Jenson | No |
| 21:44.31 | Jenson | Hopegully Januaury |
| 21:44.39 | Resudaed | shame |
| 21:44.42 | formi | i suppose you are not that policewoman looking for child molester on irc channels? |
| 21:45.04 | Jenson | Last time I checked I don't own any proper handcuffs lol |
| 21:45.17 | BorgBaby | what about a trunceon?? |
| 21:45.25 | zimm | Jenson: but you do have "improper" ones ? |
| 21:45.35 | Jenson | lol zimm |
| 21:45.48 | formi | are you 16 years old jenson? |
| 21:46.02 | Jenson | Suggesting that I'm improper or immoral or something are you zimm....whatever gave you that idea. |
| 21:46.05 | Jenson | formi: 18 |
| 21:46.05 | skugg | formi, no, 18 i think. |
| 21:46.15 | formi | sure of that? |
| 21:46.33 | zimm | Jenson: im just rearranging you words Jenson |
| 21:47.04 | Jenson | I am definately 18 lol |
| 21:47.47 | Resudaed | you didn't answer about the handcuffs though |
| 21:48.00 | formi | well i don't have the logs at hand but what you said yesterday or day before was 14 +2 |
| 21:48.05 | Resudaed | infact, I seem to remember you handcuffing me in here a few days ago |
| 21:48.34 | Jenson | I am 18 formi |
| 21:48.50 | Jenson | Most likely Resudaed. You were probably being a pain. |
| 21:49.06 | zimm | lol Jenson |
| 21:49.25 | Resudaed | doesn't explain why they were pink and fluffy though |
| 21:49.42 | Resudaed | or why you had them |
| 21:49.43 | Jenson | I don't think much would explain that Resudaed.... |
| 21:50.07 | Resudaed | ^too graphic |
| 21:50.52 | formi | it is not the first time i nearly get in big trouble because of under age girls trying something on me |
| 21:51.20 | Jenson | formi: I am not underage |
| 21:51.34 | formi | even mentally? |
| 21:51.40 | Jenson | lol no |
| 21:51.43 | zimm | hehe |
| 21:52.31 | Jenson | zimm: Are you new here BTW? |
| 21:52.43 | zimm | yeh .. does it show ? |
| 21:52.59 | Jenson | No I just hadn't seen you before |
| 21:53.23 | formi | you certainly act as a cop |
| 21:53.28 | zimm | heh , yeh i moved to london quite recently , and came searching for locale err .. nutters |
| 21:53.29 | Jenson | You never sure the channel when it was sane before I got here then. |
| 21:53.41 | Jenson | I'm not a cop formi |
| 21:54.18 | skugg | formi, in which way does she act like a cop? |
| 21:54.34 | formi | interrogative nature |
| 21:54.38 | skugg | *cough* you not paranoid? |
| 21:54.48 | Jenson | Guy'd for fuck sake I'm not a fucking cop |
| 21:54.54 | Resudaed | and formi why would it be a problem if she were |
| 21:55.06 | Resudaed | (not that I know anything) |
| 21:55.10 | formi | i can have you checked |
| 21:55.15 | Jenson | There isn't anyone underage on here anyway. |
| 21:55.16 | skugg | Jenson, i don't believe that, i'm just wondering why formi thinks so |
| 21:55.18 | BorgBaby | maybe she's a private dick |
| 21:56.27 | formi | i used to pose as a female with good sucess |
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| 21:56.59 | Jenson | formi: I am female and I'm not a cop |
| 21:57.03 | Jenson | I resent this |
| 21:57.04 | zachary | formi: I thought you looked familiar! |
| 21:57.11 | formi | you are getting paranoid |
| 21:57.29 | Resudaed | formi > are you drunk? |
| 21:57.32 | formi | sadly my grandma fired up my skirts |
| 21:57.51 | skugg | formi, stop talking shit and go to bed. |
| 21:58.00 | formi | im joking |
| 21:58.11 | skugg | i'm not. |
| 21:58.23 | skugg | Resudaed, deja vu. |
| 21:58.30 | formi | i knew britons don't have a sense of humour, but you skugg... |
| 21:58.43 | skugg | formi, "in rome, do as the romans" |
| 21:59.14 | formi | at least in rome most are romans not like in london |
| 21:59.16 | skugg | and i don't share your definition of "humour" if you by that mean upsetting people. |
| 21:59.40 | BorgBaby | yeah drop it |
| 22:00.01 | BorgBaby | everyone here should be able to take a little joke/slagging off without getting upset |
| 22:00.06 | formi | for my standards, i don't think anybody should feel upset |
| 22:00.27 | Jenson | I'm not upset formi I just think you are a fucking idiot. |
| 22:00.56 | formi | you can think whatever you want |
| 22:01.50 | Jenson | I thought you were nice but whatever your fucking problem is I don't see why you have to talk shit about me. |
| 22:02.00 | Resudaed | good opportunity for a caffine break |
| 22:02.45 | Jenson | Yeah Resudaed I'm sorry about this.... |
| 22:03.05 | formi | personaly i don't think i was talking shit, maybe you are taking things too seriously |
| 22:03.32 | BorgBaby | I'm with formi on this one, chill out Jenson, it was only a joke |
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| 22:04.44 | Jenson | Yeah BorgBaby I respect that I just wonder why he found it necassary to say it in the first place |
| 22:06.12 | formi | well as i said i don't have the logs but what i understood from what you said was you were 16 |
| 22:06.24 | Jenson | I never said that. |
| 22:06.42 | Jenson | Does anyone else remember me saying that? |
| 22:07.24 | BorgBaby | well, if you did, it's in the logs & when we're bored enough, we can go thru 'em & find out. If you didn't, it won't be there. QED. |
| 22:07.45 | formi | you said something like "we had the sexual education class when we were 14" |
| 22:07.55 | formi | and that was 2 years ago |
| 22:07.59 | Jenson | Yeah....when we were 16 |
| 22:08.06 | Jenson | Last lesson before the GCSES |
| 22:08.09 | BorgBaby | anyone up for a quick log grep? |
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| 22:08.19 | Jenson | I will |
| 22:08.24 | Resudaed | wb dankolb |
| 22:08.37 | formi | where do you grab the logs? |
| 22:08.38 | zimm | ffs , does it really mater ? |
| 22:08.49 | BorgBaby | formi: what prog you using? |
| 22:08.52 | dankolb | For fucks sake. |
| 22:08.54 | dankolb | What's BT's fucking problem? |
| 22:09.00 | formi | xchat |
| 22:09.12 | formi | but it is not logging |
| 22:09.14 | Jenson | http://ibot.rikers.org/gllug/ formi |
| 22:09.24 | BorgBaby | formi : <user>/.xchat/ |
| 22:09.25 | Jenson | ibot may not have been here then though |
| 22:09.26 | | no idea, Jenson |
| 22:09.39 | Resudaed | enjoys half a pint of vodka and a dash of coke |
| 22:09.53 | Jenson | But I definately said 16 coz I was 16 when we were taught it. |
| 22:09.58 | Jenson | I never said 14 |
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| 22:10.44 | Resudaed | wb dankolb |
| 22:10.56 | Resudaed | screw this :) |
| 22:11.06 | dankolb__ | FOR FUCKS SAKE |
| 22:11.09 | dankolb__ | BT are even shitter than usual |
| 22:11.10 | dankolb__ | Grrrrrr |
| 22:11.18 | dankolb_ | Nope |
| 22:11.34 | Jenson | Aren't we all dankolb__ |
| 22:11.45 | dankolb__ | Normally less so |
| 22:13.24 | zimm | lol |
| 22:13.54 | Jenson | Well I've managed 48mins so far dankolb |
| 22:13.56 | Resudaed | you can tell what time of night it is, I just put "'"'s everywhere where there's a trailing s |
| 22:14.01 | dankolb | Yeah, but BT likes you |
| 22:14.06 | dankolb | Yes. |
| 22:14.15 | dankolb | Don't do that on a CV, otherwise it will go straight into the bin |
| 22:14.22 | skugg | dankolb, you coming to gllug tomorrow? |
| 22:14.30 | dankolb | Unfortunately I can't |
| 22:14.39 | skugg | :/ |
| 22:14.47 | dankolb | Sorry :-/ |
| 22:14.51 | dankolb | I'll come in January, though |
| 22:15.41 | BorgBaby | grid computing & gnome 2 - should be good |
| 22:15.55 | dankolb | I've heard the Gnome 2 talk before |
| 22:16.07 | zimm | does anyone here actually use Gnome2 ? |
| 22:16.12 | BorgBaby | who is michael meeks, btw? |
| 22:16.19 | dankolb | One of the Ximian developers |
| 22:16.33 | BorgBaby | zimm: no, waiting for debian to put it into stable ;) |
| 22:16.43 | BorgBaby | the name is familiar |
| 22:16.53 | zimm | BorgBaby: dont hold your breath ,, it still doesnt work in unstable ! |
| 22:17.15 | BorgBaby | well, with woody, my gnome-panel would crash about every 10 mins, switched to flwm, no such problems... |
| 22:17.29 | BorgBaby | zimm: I'm not! ;) |
| 22:17.57 | zimm | hehe |
| 22:18.18 | BorgBaby | kde takes up far too much memory & runs too many processes |
| 22:18.28 | dankolb | And Gnome doesn't? |
| 22:18.54 | zimm | BorgBaby: actually we ran a comparison of kde3.1 against fluxbox |
| 22:19.03 | zimm | for memory footprint etc .. |
| 22:19.09 | zimm | numbers of proc .. |
| 22:19.14 | zimm | it was evenn |
| 22:19.38 | zimm | and both beat gnome .. its just far too bitty |
| 22:19.38 | skugg | apparently it doesn't matter what you think about gnome; Meeks is a brilliant talker and it's fun just to be there (according to dean [aka nisodaemon]) |
| 22:19.47 | dankolb | skugg: That's true |
| 22:20.03 | zimm | oh totally , i want yo see what he has to say .. ,, i just dont like the current incarnation of gnome |
| 22:20.13 | zimm | at all |
| 22:20.16 | zimm | mutter |
| 22:21.17 | skugg | apparently the gnome build-directions are rather arcane :P |
| 22:23.17 | dankolb | cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome ; make install :) |
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| 22:23.48 | zimm | apt-build install konqueror |
| 22:24.58 | skugg | dankolb, ah. *bsd... |
| 22:25.04 | dankolb | Yes |
| 22:25.45 | skugg | well, i don't really know anything about the build instructions, i just know that it used to be a pain... maybe they've fixed it now |
| 22:25.56 | skugg | i don't use it, so it's the same shit to me :P |
| 22:26.03 | dankolb | Neither do I. |
| 22:26.14 | dankolb | I never managed to get larger software to compile properly under Linux |
| 22:26.20 | dankolb | It always crashed out somewhere |
| 22:26.23 | zimm | hehe . |
| 22:26.28 | dankolb | Under *BSD, it all Just Worked |
| 22:26.32 | zimm | who here uses debian ? |
| 22:26.42 | BorgBaby | I do |
| 22:26.57 | BorgBaby | The One TRue OS (TM) |
| 22:26.57 | zimm | want a nice tweaked X built with gcc3.2 ? |
| 22:27.09 | BorgBaby | maybe |
| 22:27.27 | zimm | http://www.fudo.org/~zimm/Files/linux_files/ |
| 22:27.30 | BorgBaby | tweaked how? |
| 22:27.39 | zimm | its all on there , i built it for sid last week .. |
| 22:27.47 | zimm | i686 |
| 22:28.06 | zimm | nothing radical , i didnt want to waste the compile time |
| 22:28.20 | zimm | but its a step in the right direction |
| 22:28.27 | skugg | dankolb, i tried installing freebsd but it refused. it crashed every time in the install. |
| 22:28.32 | dankolb | Oh. That's odd. |
| 22:28.44 | dankolb | During the installer itself, or while booting the kernel? |
| 22:29.43 | skugg | can't remember quite, it's a while ago |
| 22:29.51 | skugg | both i think |
| 22:30.01 | skugg | didn't like my pcmcia-card |
| 22:30.15 | skugg | hang hard every time i inserted it |
| 22:30.21 | BorgBaby | going for dinner, back later |
| 22:30.37 | skugg | think i managed to get through the install if i didn't have the pcmcia-card in... |
| 22:31.01 | dankolb | Hm. Odd |
| 22:31.48 | skugg | think i even have the cds here, will check wich version it was... |
| 22:33.03 | skugg | 4.2 it was |
| 22:33.13 | dankolb | That's *old* |
| 22:33.19 | dankolb | 4.7 is current |
| 22:34.16 | formi | there was sombody on the fbsd channel using 2.6 |
| 22:34.53 | zimm | Jenson: what distro do you run ? |
| 22:34.55 | formi | somebody recommended him to jump a century |
| 22:35.03 | Jenson | zimm: Slackware |
| 22:35.09 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:35.14 | zimm | Jenson: ahhh .. |
| 22:35.19 | zimm | hardcore sheet |
| 22:35.25 | dankolb | well, if 2.6 works, why upgrade? |
| 22:36.09 | Jenson | zimm: I installed it a week ago today. first Linux distro I've used........some call it jumping in at the deep end lol |
| 22:36.38 | zimm | Jenson: yeh , ive always kept ata safe distance from slackware |
| 22:36.47 | skugg | Jenson, i take it that it came warmly recomended from leeds ;P |
| 22:36.50 | dankolb | Best distro out there |
| 22:36.58 | dankolb | skugg: And me |
| 22:36.59 | formi | he was having a problem, and the main consensus was he needed to upgrade |
| 22:37.01 | skugg | dankolb, mmv |
| 22:37.03 | Jenson | skugg: Leeds and dankolb |
| 22:37.10 | skugg | Jenson, awkay. |
| 22:37.16 | Jenson | I was going to get Mandrake |
| 22:37.26 | zimm | bah , mandrake sucks |
| 22:37.36 | zimm | its horrible |
| 22:38.15 | dankolb | Mandrake's okay for a pointy-drooly-just-get-it-working distro |
| 22:38.28 | zimm | slack is ok , its just needllesly old skool |
| 22:38.38 | formi | mdk, dont install linuconf or the wizards and youll be alright |
| 22:38.45 | dankolb | Needlessly old-school? |
| 22:38.53 | dankolb | We need some old-school for the proper Unix people. |
| 22:38.54 | zimm | formi: apart from RPM hell .. |
| 22:39.07 | dankolb | Not for the I-want-an-alternative-to-Windows people |
| 22:39.10 | Resudaed | then went caldera (had a cd), deadrat and now debian <- no nasty comments please |
| 22:39.14 | formi | come on zimm, use urpmi |
| 22:39.34 | zimm | formi: im quite happy with apt and *.debs tbh .. |
| 22:39.37 | Jenson | I like pointy-drooliness....I should be sorting Slackware out but instead I'm sitting here on my arse running WIN98SE talking to you |
| 22:39.52 | formi | my sever is running 9,0 upgraded by hand from 7.1 |
| 22:40.17 | zimm | the beauty of debian is intelligent dependency handling ,, |
| 22:40.32 | dankolb | And apt-get for OS X |
| 22:40.38 | zimm | alongside the easy methods of running it al from sourec a'la gentoo |
| 22:41.00 | zimm | dankolb: rpm's still suck |
| 22:41.09 | dankolb | zimm: Why? |
| 22:41.47 | formi | zimm: if you don't know how to use it, probably |
| 22:41.50 | zimm | cos , RH rpms are different to Mdk rpms are different to other rpms , etc .. and they are all over the freakin web .. |
| 22:42.06 | zimm | with debs , debs are debs ,, they are all in one place ,, and it works |
| 22:42.10 | dankolb | And sid DEBs are the same as woody DEBs are the same as Potato DEBs? |
| 22:42.20 | zimm | its all debian |
| 22:42.39 | zimm | and apt-get update apt-get upgrade , works nomatter which flavour you run |
| 22:43.04 | zimm | its just neater |
| 22:43.11 | dankolb | So you can quite happily install a DEB from Potato into Sid, and it'll work? |
| 22:43.22 | zimm | why the hell would you want to ? |
| 22:43.23 | skugg | dankolb, yes. |
| 22:43.39 | zimm | skugg: you couldnt actually , you could try ,, it would refuse |
| 22:43.52 | dankolb | Why the hell would you want to install a SuSE RPM into a RedHat system? |
| 22:43.56 | skugg | dankolb, if the package is not compiled to depend on any ancient libs |
| 22:44.01 | dankolb | Your point..... |
| 22:44.10 | skugg | dankolb, but if it is you could just install those libs too. |
| 22:44.15 | zimm | rpm's are a mess .. |
| 22:44.51 | zimm | not to mention that RH and MDK are commercial which goes against the whole philosophy of linux |
| 22:45.03 | dankolb | Err, no it doesn't |
| 22:45.05 | skugg | zimm, steady the accusations |
| 22:45.14 | dankolb | rpms are not a mess. |
| 22:45.31 | formi | where wold linux be witout those 2? |
| 22:45.44 | dankolb | formi: Don't forget SuSE |
| 22:45.49 | Jenson | Commercialism relies on people to buy it, they have the choice of how much they pay. |
| 22:46.02 | dankolb | They were one of the first distros, along with Slackware |
| 22:46.03 | zimm | where would cars be without ford ? doesnt make a fiesta a nice car |
| 22:46.16 | formi | that one is my red herring |
| 22:47.21 | dankolb | zimm: Ford doesn't sponsor car development |
| 22:47.32 | formi | never liked suse, even though i installed it once from floppies, masoquism |
| 22:47.51 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:47.58 | zimm | ok , linux is opensource ,, and free according to the gnu licence .. so what right do people who just collect other peoples work have to charge for it ? |
| 22:48.20 | dankolb | Perfect rights. |
| 22:48.24 | skugg | zimm, all the right in the world. |
| 22:48.29 | dankolb | It's in the GPL |
| 22:48.33 | eye69 | Installing the LVM2 laptop now, in case it would be needed... |
| 22:48.34 | zimm | so i can steal you work , and sell it at a profit ? |
| 22:48.37 | skugg | zimm, otherwise it wouldn't work. |
| 22:48.42 | dankolb | It's not stealing. |
| 22:48.53 | skugg | zimm, try reading the gpl maybe? |
| 22:48.55 | dankolb | If I licence some software under the GPL, I do so knowing that other people can sell it |
| 22:49.43 | dankolb | If I licence it under the BSD licence, I do so knowing that it can be used in a commercial product |
| 22:49.57 | dankolb | If I licence it under the old-style BSD licence, I'll get my name into that product |
| 22:50.19 | formi | not to spoil the fun, but flame wars should be gpl-ized |
| 22:50.32 | formi | and then sent to rms |
| 22:50.37 | zimm | hehe .. |
| 22:50.57 | formi | to provide him with more ammunition, not that he lacks |
| 22:51.45 | zimm | im just stating an opinion .. and imho , having used most of the major distro's i prefer debian for the reasons ive stated |
| 22:52.25 | formi | k |
| 22:52.44 | formi | i used the best, i use the rest |
| 22:52.55 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:53.10 | dankolb | Nah. Slack is the step before going BSD |
| 22:53.13 | Jenson | My parents banned me from collecting computers today, I'm not allowed anymore |
| 22:53.19 | dankolb | Awww |
| 22:53.21 | skugg | dankolb, not necessarily |
| 22:53.23 | zimm | heh |
| 22:53.36 | zimm | Jenson: how many do you HAVE ? |
| 22:53.44 | dankolb | Less than 50,anyway |
| 22:54.01 | Jenson | zimm: 2 lol and I'm meant to be getting rid of one :( |
| 22:54.01 | formi | i gave slackware a go on holydays, wouldn't recgnize the pcmca-pci card, so i could connect while enjoying the sun |
| 22:54.22 | formi | so i installed microbsd and worked with no fuss whatsoever |
| 22:54.25 | Jenson | I said, but Dan's got 50 |
| 22:54.36 | Jenson | My mother said yeah and his own house I expect lol |
| 22:54.45 | zimm | heh ] |
| 22:55.01 | dankolb | Heh. Not yet. |
| 22:56.36 | formi | i only have 4 |
| 22:56.47 | dankolb | Yeah, well, I got that laptop off you :) |
| 22:56.53 | formi | probably 5 by tuesday |
| 22:57.33 | Jenson | I should be getting another computer next week, for my granny.....then I'm gonna try and scrounge her old one to drop off a large building or something |
| 22:57.53 | zimm | hehe |
| 22:58.48 | dankolb | One OS X, two Slackware, one FreeBSD, one 98SE, one NT4, one 95, one DOS/RedHat 6.2 |
| 22:58.48 | Jenson | My mother wants my Win95 computer.......maybe I'll install Slack on it then let her have the damn thing |
| 22:59.11 | dankolb | Two OpenBSD, one NetBSD (+1 netbooting), 2 VMS, 1x DEC Unix |
| 22:59.19 | formi | nice way of securing a prompt return |
| 22:59.23 | dankolb | 1x{Solaris|RedHat 6.2} |
| 22:59.29 | Jenson | lol formi |
| 22:59.49 | Jenson | My mother gets confused easily....she'd get stuck with LILO |
| 23:00.09 | formi | 3 mdk, 3 freebsd and a rh |
| 23:01.06 | zimm | 1 box , 2 debian installs , win98 , winXP |
| 23:01.28 | formi | ups and 2 98 rarely used |
| 23:02.11 | formi | i had nt once after i got my mcse just to see what the fuss was about |
| 23:04.30 | BorgBaby | nt is horrible |
| 23:05.02 | formi | easier to connect to a smb server than 98 |
| 23:05.35 | BorgBaby | I had problems connecting w2k server to samba, not box but not files |
| 23:05.47 | BorgBaby | s/not/saw |
| 23:06.01 | skugg | apart from xp being slow and it lacking useful tools, it's not that bad. i've not had it crash on me yet. |
| 23:06.04 | formi | a blind server |
| 23:07.12 | formi | tell me i spent most of the day trying to restore the ability of playing dvd without it barking for not having internet access |
| 23:07.12 | BorgBaby | dunno if its the way the xp boxes at work are set up, but they seem really crap. theres just nothing on them |
| 23:08.18 | formi | i restored the system and took 2 and half hours and between 15-20 reboots |
| 23:09.33 | formi | so it is probably better to install it and not touch it. just in case |
| 23:10.20 | BorgBaby | managed to install w2k pro on a 166 with 32mb ram last week, not a good idea though as it crawls... |
| 23:11.20 | formi | this was a 256mb og ram plus 1.2g celeron with a dvd rom |
| 23:13.23 | BorgBaby | i installed that one for a friend of mine who's never touched a pc before (he's 42) - mandrake might have been better, but didn't want to confuse him! |
| 23:13.36 | skugg | it's funny, there's this guy in my class that used to work at microsoft... he's been told that i'm this free software lunatic, so he comes to me with his m$ propaganda all the time :) |
| 23:14.29 | BorgBaby | hehe - you could always just wind him up |
| 23:14.39 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:14.42 | formi | you would probably be excused for acting as one and send him packing |
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| 23:19.40 | Resudaed | wb zimm |
| 23:19.46 | zimm | :-) |
| 23:20.20 | zimm | man, i really need some new cou fans .. its hitting 65'C |
| 23:21.29 | formi | well im off to bed |
| 23:21.37 | formi | night all |
| 23:21.41 | zimm | laters |
| 23:22.36 | BorgBaby | zimm: I like your music choice (in the media dir) |
| 23:22.41 | zimm | hehe |
| 23:22.59 | zimm | you check out the mitch benn stuff ? |
| 23:23.04 | zimm | its funny as fsck ! |
| 23:23.11 | BorgBaby | not yet - what's "sick of drugs"? |
| 23:23.20 | zimm | Wildhearts track |
| 23:23.26 | BorgBaby | ah, ok |
| 23:24.01 | zimm | its not really a collection , its just what seems to have ended up on there |
| 23:24.26 | zimm | heh , that sums up the whole site really |
| 23:24.40 | BorgBaby | probably better like that - more random |
| 23:24.43 | zimm | aye |
| 23:26.46 | skugg | borgbaby: the funny thing about him is that he winds himself up. |
| 23:27.45 | skugg | BorgBaby: i've not mentioned anything against M$ at all, i don't even argue against him. he's just got in his head that he need to convince me M$ is the way :P |
| 23:28.12 | skugg | he quoted the M$-supported "independent" research recently published the other day. |
| 23:28.41 | skugg | *conclusive evidence*, he said, that linux was inferior |
| 23:28.44 | skugg | :) |
| 23:28.55 | BorgBaby | well he would ;) I've got a couple of mcse's in my class, they are obnoxious twats |
| 23:29.37 | BorgBaby | well, if it didn't bother him, he wouldn't have said anything (so he must be worried!) |
| 23:29.46 | skugg | i just said that i don't give a fuck what other people say, and that i would use windows if i thought it was best for my needs. |
| 23:30.09 | BorgBaby | that's fair enough. mac ppl never have this trouble do they? |
| 23:30.42 | skugg | BorgBaby, it's obvious that it bothers him, but he's acting exactly like the "free software weazels" everybody's so scared of ;P |
| 23:30.51 | skugg | that's what I find so funny |
| 23:31.30 | BorgBaby | he's probably worried about the 7 grand or whatever he paid to get 'certified' for an obsolete os |
| 23:31.45 | skugg | i don't fud microsoft, i don't argue that linux is better (i've given up, they're not interested and i respect that) |
| 23:32.08 | skugg | i just plain and simple use it and don't make a fuzz. |
| 23:32.13 | skugg | he makes all the fuzz |
| 23:32.38 | skugg | i just show what i can do if someone asks. |
| 23:32.53 | skugg | but i don't imagine anybody is impressed with my desktop :p |
| 23:33.01 | skugg | (anybody in my class that is) |
| 23:33.20 | skugg | i'm pretty minimalistic, and use mostly tools that work in a terminal |
| 23:33.24 | BorgBaby | I don't anymore either. people know I use it, but they seem surprised that I still am. Then they get shocked when I start typing at a console... |
| 23:33.27 | skugg | mozilla is the exception |
| 23:33.45 | BorgBaby | mozilla refuses to work with me |
| 23:34.02 | murb | urgle ntl are giving me broken files from their proxies even when i tell them to not cache :( |
| 23:34.05 | skugg | everybody's interested in what the fuck i'm doing when i'm on irc or reading email with mutt... :) |
| 23:34.12 | BorgBaby | I'm into flwm at the minute - minimal, fast & doesn't crash |
| 23:34.30 | skugg | BorgBaby, flwm? fluxbox? |
| 23:34.56 | zimm | murb: yeh thir DNS servers were a week out of date last month |
| 23:35.09 | BorgBaby | skugg: well, I have to start with fluxbox, because gdm won't let me start with flwm, then I go into flwm |
| 23:35.28 | BorgBaby | what's openbox? |
| 23:35.33 | murb | zimm: i don't use their DNS servers, well expect that i use their proxies. |
| 23:35.50 | skugg | BorgBaby, openbox is a blackbox-fork. |
| 23:36.05 | skugg | fast, minimal and stable. |
| 23:36.22 | skugg | i prefer it to fluxbox, but ymmv |
| 23:36.22 | BorgBaby | I'll check it out, blackbox is ok |
| 23:36.27 | zimm | BlackBox is cool |
| 23:38.23 | BorgBaby | strange combination |
| 23:38.46 | zimm | I only run kicker , i dont run kdesktop |
| 23:38.58 | zimm | and i use blackbox as the wm |
| 23:39.04 | skugg | zimm, isn't it the other way around? |
| 23:39.13 | skugg | kicker on top of bb? |
| 23:39.17 | zimm | nope |
| 23:39.27 | zimm | its a normal kde3 session |
| 23:39.32 | zimm | but without kwin |
| 23:39.37 | zimm | or kdesktop |
| 23:40.05 | skugg | yeah, but isn't the desktop thing on top of the window manager? |
| 23:40.32 | BorgBaby | not sure |
| 23:40.36 | skugg | remember there was vast flames over that some time ago |
| 23:40.41 | zimm | well , you can say it whichever way you want .. i see it as kde3 , with no icons on the desktop , and a different WM |
| 23:40.50 | skugg | i thought i was right, but i've been wrong before |
| 23:41.18 | BorgBaby | well, you can use different wm with gnome, aterstep/sawfish,etc |
| 23:41.24 | skugg | since you can run a wm without a desktop env., but not a desktop env. without a wm? |
| 23:41.58 | skugg | thus i thought the desktop env. was built on top of the window manager |
| 23:42.01 | zimm | I was using fluxbox ,, but all the apps i was running wreew kde , with a few gtk anyway ,, so i just move to doing it this way , and i get to keep the kde fiont config , and menyus |
| 23:43.54 | skugg | http://icculus.org/openbox/ |
| 23:49.13 | BorgBaby | nice screenshots |
| 23:51.18 | skugg | i've got a couple up on brautaset.org/pics/shot.png and <..>/screen.png |
| 23:52.25 | BorgBaby | it I used my surname as a .org it would just sound silly ;) |
| 23:52.51 | BorgBaby | s/it/if |
| 23:53.06 | skugg | why? |
| 23:53.07 | skugg | :) |
| 23:53.13 | skugg | what's your name? |
| 23:53.21 | BorgBaby | hanley |
| 23:53.38 | skugg | by the way, i just discovered that the .../shot.png one is ancient... |
| 23:53.49 | BorgBaby | doesn't have the same ring, does it? (yours sounds like a german shaving firm or something...) |
| 23:53.50 | skugg | hanley.org? what's wrong with that? |
| 23:54.30 | BorgBaby | nothing I suppose, brautaset sounds more like a company I think |
| 23:54.39 | skugg | maybe |
| 23:55.17 | skugg | an aquaintaince of mine says it sounds so "rough/cool" |
| 23:55.20 | BorgBaby | then again, maybe that's just me |
| 23:55.21 | skugg | i'm not sure i agree |
| 23:55.28 | skugg | it's a pain when over here at least, |
| 23:55.33 | skugg | nobody manage to pronounce it |
| 23:55.53 | BorgBaby | brow-ta-set ? |
| 23:56.03 | skugg | not quite |
| 23:56.09 | BorgBaby | brow/brau? |
| 23:56.14 | skugg | no |
| 23:56.15 | skugg | :) |
| 23:56.21 | BorgBaby | oh well ;) |
| 23:56.31 | skugg | that's where most go wrong |
| 23:56.40 | skugg | the u is as in user |
| 23:57.04 | skugg | the (first) a as in arsenal |
| 23:57.22 | BorgBaby | braa-u-ta-set? |
| 23:57.26 | skugg | the "au" thing is a bit hard for people over here to get |
| 23:57.30 | skugg | BorgBaby, probably |
| 23:57.38 | BorgBaby | irc phonetics! |
| 23:57.47 | skugg | and a long 'e' on the end, |
| 23:58.05 | BorgBaby | where are you from anyway? |
| 23:58.09 | skugg | norway |
| 23:58.21 | BorgBaby | i'm irish originally |
| 23:58.49 | skugg | do you post to gllug? |
| 23:58.56 | skugg | if so, under which name? |
| 23:59.17 | BorgBaby | not really, read the list about once a month, think I've unsubscribed now |
| 23:59.42 | skugg | i see |
| 23:59.46 | BorgBaby | I did last week, had a spare Stallman ticket, but not other than that |
