| 00:00.15 | dankolb_ | "I speak-a Eenglish. I learn it from a boook" |
| 00:00.21 | Jenson | No, just my stupidity lol |
| 00:00.36 | skugg | emanuel from fawlty towers |
| 00:00.50 | dankolb_ | Manuel. |
| 00:00.53 | skugg | (however you spell it) |
| 00:01.04 | Jenson | hehehe I intorduced my granny to fawlty towers on thursday, she'd never seen it. |
| 00:01.05 | skugg | i remember watching it 10 years ago or something |
| 00:01.18 | murb | hello. |
| 00:01.22 | dankolb_ | Hi murb |
| 00:01.39 | dankolb_ | It's currently being repeated on BBC1 during the week. |
| 00:01.44 | Jenson | Hi murb |
| 00:01.45 | skugg | murb, aw. damn. |
| 00:01.45 | dankolb_ | murb: :-( |
| 00:01.50 | murb | so i'm now on a 24 port 3com linkbuilder liberated from work |
| 00:02.03 | dankolb_ | Better than nothing |
| 00:02.03 | Jenson | liberated |
| 00:02.04 | Jenson | lol |
| 00:02.20 | dankolb_ | Hubs just want to be free |
| 00:02.21 | skugg | murb, i'll be damned if i can get the imap stuff to work from the config file, I can only make it work if i specify it on the commandline as you showed me :( |
| 00:02.45 | skugg | i've taken out _everything_ from the config file and still it doesn't work. |
| 00:02.59 | Jenson | skugg: doing better than me then. I haven't got my FD, CDROM, soundcard or printer working properly |
| 00:03.35 | skugg | i wonder if it's my mutt version, cause the same config file works like a charm on a different computer with an older version of mutt |
| 00:03.48 | skugg | Jenson, but you haven't had 4 years experience :P |
| 00:03.56 | skugg | Jenson, you're excused :D |
| 00:04.00 | Jenson | No I've had 1 week skugg. |
| 00:04.15 | skugg | Jenson, my point exactly. |
| 00:04.23 | Jenson | that would be like me saying I couldn't install Doom properly lol |
| 00:04.34 | skugg | i've done this for 4 years and i _still_ can't do it. that's more worrying. |
| 00:04.53 | Jenson | And I worry that I can't do it after a week lol |
| 00:04.54 | dankolb_ | Use pine ;-) |
| 00:05.01 | Jenson | Mind you I'm bloody impateint |
| 00:05.26 | Jenson | ^across |
| 00:05.32 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 00:07.23 | highbury | well, I'm having an early night, see you folk |
| 00:07.33 | dankolb_ | 'night highbury |
| 00:07.49 | skugg | night |
| 00:07.52 | Jenson | bye highbury |
| 00:08.08 | murb | skugg: have you figured out gnupg stuff sufficently to sign keys etc yet? |
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| 00:08.53 | skugg | murb no... |
| 00:08.54 | Jenson | hey SpudUAway |
| 00:08.55 | skugg | sorry |
| 00:09.40 | skugg | murb, to be honest I really don't care that much about this high security stuff. |
| 00:09.56 | murb | skugg: it isn't about high security... |
| 00:09.58 | skugg | i think people signing messages on mailinglists is a nuisance etc. |
| 00:10.09 | dankolb_ | skugg: But you're a Debian user! |
| 00:10.15 | dankolb_ | You must sign at every opportunity. |
| 00:10.18 | skugg | dankolb_, so fscking what? |
| 00:10.23 | murb | skugg: well it is kind of useful tat when you download binaires you know they are signed by the same people. |
| 00:10.26 | dankolb_ | Stop anyone in the street and get them to sign your keys |
| 00:10.26 | Jenson | ow, my arms hurt....maybe I should sit closer to the keyboard. |
| 00:10.31 | skugg | dankolb_, it creates more traffic for no bloody good reason. |
| 00:10.33 | SpudUAway | Hi hi hi!!! |
| 00:10.36 | dankolb_ | Hi SpudUAway |
| 00:11.03 | dankolb_ | skugg: But surely all Debian users must have everyone else's keys in their keyrings? |
| 00:11.14 | Jenson | dankolb_: Don't take the piss |
| 00:11.19 | skugg | dankolb_, not that i've heard of. |
| 00:11.23 | dankolb_ | Jenson: Why not? |
| 00:11.41 | skugg | dankolb_, i don't know jack shit about this security stuff. |
| 00:11.48 | skugg | as long as i can use ssh i'm happy. |
| 00:12.01 | dankolb_ | Fair enough |
| 00:12.07 | skugg | Jenson, thanks :P |
| 00:12.14 | Jenson | yw skugg |
| 00:12.45 | skugg | what do i need secret keys for when I have jenson? :) |
| 00:13.18 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 00:13.38 | dankolb_ | I've stopped using PGP - couldn't be arsed installing it onto OS X |
| 00:14.13 | Leeds | highbury: yes, went well... |
| 00:14.38 | Leeds | rlogin... |
| 00:14.38 | skugg | dankolb_, i see. |
| 00:14.42 | Jenson | Hey Leeds, highbury is in bed |
| 00:14.56 | highbury | almost .... |
| 00:14.56 | dankolb_ | skugg: That would be nice. |
| 00:15.02 | Leeds | Jenson: so he is... or not :-) |
| 00:15.08 | dankolb_ | Maybe we should just kick all immature people off the 'net, then :) |
| 00:15.14 | skugg | i've got gnupg installed, but i don't really know how to use it. i installed it to satisfy recomandation/dependency from mutt :P |
| 00:15.20 | Jenson | We'd be left with no-one dankolb_ |
| 00:15.39 | Leeds | it's simple... you just make people get a license and use a unique ID online |
| 00:15.41 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 00:15.41 | skugg | dankolb_, that'd be nice |
| 00:15.54 | Leeds | Jenson: downloads would be nice and quick :-) |
| 00:15.58 | skugg | Leeds, now we're talking |
| 00:17.37 | dankolb_ | Yes. Didn't you say you were going to bed early? |
| 00:17.51 | Jenson | I said soon dankolb_ |
| 00:17.54 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 00:17.57 | Jenson | I don't have a laptop. |
| 00:18.25 | Jenson | My mother does have one...it belongs to work...and it's been sent back coz of some software incomaptibility with XP |
| 00:18.31 | murb | I have a work libertto, but i'm using a toshiba 2130ct because it has a nicer keyboard and larger screen |
| 00:18.48 | Jenson | Evidently the supplies don't recommend XP even though they supply it, they prefer 2000 |
| 00:19.14 | skugg | murb, i liked the libretto. it's what i was actually looking for when i found the one you saw today |
| 00:19.29 | skugg | it's a bit bigger, but a bit higher spec'd. |
| 00:19.34 | Leeds | Jenson: they're bad for you anyway... |
| 00:20.17 | Jenson | skugg: Why irc from the loo....couldn't you find anywhere else. |
| 00:20.39 | Leeds | wireless LAN + iPAQ = IRC from the loo - at home or work :-) |
| 00:20.46 | dankolb_ | Jenson: Guess why anyone would want to IRC while at the toilet... |
| 00:20.53 | skugg | Jenson, because i needed to go to the loo... :H |
| 00:20.58 | skugg | s,H,D, |
| 00:21.01 | Leeds | night |
| 00:21.09 | skugg | night leeds |
| 00:21.13 | Jenson | night Leeds |
| 00:21.20 | dankolb_ | 'night Leeds |
| 00:21.30 | skugg | Jenson, i naturally didn't irc from the loo at all times |
| 00:21.45 | Jenson | dankolb_ and skugg: can't you survive without IRC lol |
| 00:21.53 | dankolb_ | Nope |
| 00:21.58 | Jenson | skugg: could make toilet paper difficult.... |
| 00:22.06 | dankolb_ | Use a network cable... |
| 00:22.14 | dankolb_ | Just fold it enough times |
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| 00:22.55 | Jenson | Well dankolb_ I think I'd just leave the computer for a min and use loo paper lol |
| 00:23.11 | dankolb_ | But that requires getting away from IRC |
| 00:23.25 | dankolb_ | And something interesting is bound to happen then |
| 00:23.30 | skugg | dankolb_, still, in this case it's the preferable choice. |
| 00:23.41 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 00:23.44 | Jenson | dankolb_: Yeah usually BT kicks you lol |
| 00:23.48 | skugg | i'm logging _everything_ of course :P |
| 00:24.14 | dankolb_ | Yes it is lol |
| 00:24.15 | skugg | dankolb_, i actually only did it once for the amusement of the people i was chatting to |
| 00:24.30 | Jenson | No me neither dankolb_...I have a mate who used her mobile why she was going for a wee though. |
| 00:24.34 | Jenson | lol dankolb_ |
| 00:24.35 | dankolb_ | :-) |
| 00:24.43 | skugg | lol |
| 00:24.45 | skugg | :D |
| 00:24.45 | Jenson | s/why/while |
| 00:25.01 | Jenson | No-one used to lol before I made a habit out of it. |
| 00:25.27 | skugg | Jenson, i don't normally use it now either |
| 00:25.58 | Jenson | Mind you getting some sleep might help |
| 00:27.00 | skugg | Jenson, i find it usually helps me |
| 00:28.27 | Jenson | Well I've stayed up til about 2:00 the last two days.....I'd given up going to bed late coz it made my panic attakcs worse, but now I'm quite a bit better I stay up late and make myslef feel tired and unhappy (although I'm ok at the moment) so it's a good idea to sleep |
| 00:29.53 | Jenson | BRB |
| 00:41.01 | dankolb_ | :-) |
| 00:41.21 | skugg | murb could do worse things that typing as badly as he does here when implementing those fixes :D |
| 00:41.40 | skugg | murb, how about waiting until you've sobered up? :) |
| 00:42.13 | skugg | hm. |
| 00:42.24 | skugg | i don't type too good myself :P |
| 00:46.38 | murb | skugg: too late i've done it now, and they won't be able to complaini about me not going into the office on friday. |
| 00:46.55 | skugg | hehe :) |
| 00:46.58 | murb | ok the fact that by thursday i had already worked > 37.5 hours is probably irrelivant to them as anything. |
| 00:47.16 | murb | skugg: well whem i'm in .lu i how no me time basically. |
| 00:47.39 | murb | oh and they might be employing a friend of mine from brussels and they are talking about getting him a flat... |
| 00:47.57 | skugg | not bad |
| 00:48.05 | murb | grrr, so i get hotels that cost more, cause them to bitch about cost and then not get my expences paid grrr. |
| 00:48.30 | murb | skugg: they owe me shitloads of expences which is a techincal term which probably exceeds 1000 quid |
| 00:48.33 | skugg | now that stinks |
| 00:48.46 | murb | alteast that is how short i am after i account for personal expediture |
| 00:50.17 | eye69 | Evening |
| 00:50.26 | skugg | hey eye69 |
| 00:50.32 | eye69 | Hello Stig |
| 00:50.48 | murb | hi eye60 |
| 00:50.50 | murb | 9 |
| 00:51.11 | eye69 | I was in the nick of time getting to the last train...mostly due to file corruption in my brain due to overbeering |
| 00:51.49 | skugg | murb, heh. |
| 00:51.59 | skugg | i got a nice train too. |
| 00:52.04 | murb | then i cycled home on autopilot |
| 00:52.06 | skugg | went a little bit before closing time |
| 00:52.25 | eye69 | Been about 4 times that I've woken up at least one stop too late |
| 00:52.31 | skugg | usually _just_ manage to reach it. |
| 00:52.40 | skugg | refreshing to not have to run |
| 00:52.55 | skugg | eye69, i hate it when that happens |
| 00:53.26 | eye69 | skugg: Especially when it's past the time when there's a train back one stop |
| 00:53.38 | skugg | eye, yes. |
| 00:53.51 | skugg | however, now i'm going to bed |
| 00:53.54 | skugg | i'm dead tired |
| 00:54.03 | skugg | goodnight guys |
| 00:54.04 | eye69 | I'm staying up for a little while |
| 00:54.17 | eye69 | Good night skugg. Sleep tight. |
| 00:55.27 | Resudead | evening all |
| 00:55.31 | dankolb_ | Hi |
| 00:55.39 | eye69 | My laptop doesn't update its sleeptimer by looking at keyboard activity...annoying |
| 00:55.53 | Jenson | hi Resudead |
| 00:55.59 | eye69 | Resudead: Who were you? |
| 00:56.15 | Resudead | who were I, or who still am I |
| 00:56.30 | Resudead | (it's too late to talk grammer |
| 00:56.33 | Resudead | ) |
| 00:56.45 | Resudead | or put the ) on the end of somethingin ()'s |
| 00:56.47 | murb | eye69: he was sitting in the cornerish. |
| 00:56.52 | eye69 | I might have shaken your hand without knowing about it |
| 00:56.59 | Resudead | I think you did |
| 00:57.00 | eye69 | murb: Ok. |
| 00:57.06 | murb | can i do ascii art of the layout? |
| 00:57.17 | Resudead | go for it :) |
| 00:57.38 | murb | he was sitting opposiite mikea and dan |
| 00:57.49 | Resudead | hi Jenson & dankolb_ |
| 00:57.51 | murb | and to the left of me and skugg |
| 00:57.57 | eye69 | Hello dan! |
| 00:58.04 | dankolb_ | Hi eye69 |
| 00:58.31 | Resudead | I was at the table skugg and murb made their own :) |
| 00:58.53 | eye69 | Resudead: Heh |
| 00:59.07 | Resudead | (we had power, they felt envious) |
| 00:59.33 | eye69 | I guess they had to do a move |
| 00:59.37 | Resudead | or they wanted to plug their laptop is, on of the two |
| 01:00.55 | eye69 | G'night murb |
| 01:01.02 | dankolb_ | night murb |
| 01:01.09 | Jenson | murb: night |
| 01:01.20 | Resudead | night murb |
| 01:01.32 | eye69 | Now there's not many people left that I don't know in #gllug |
| 01:01.43 | eye69 | There's Jenson...possibly somebody else as well |
| 01:01.43 | Resudead | same here |
| 01:02.02 | Resudead | for me, Jenson, Dankolb & Highbury |
| 01:02.20 | eye69 | I know all those three |
| 01:02.33 | dankolb_ | err? |
| 01:02.50 | eye69 | Nevermind me...I'm incoherent |
| 01:03.03 | Resudead | from #gllug to um gllug that is |
| 01:03.05 | eye69 | I know dan and steve...but not Jenson |
| 01:03.22 | eye69 | Resudead: Btw, how did it go with Debian in the end?> |
| 01:03.29 | Resudead | it works sort of |
| 01:04.08 | Resudead | my screen is only at 1024x768 (can't stand things that big), sound card as yet not configured nor the tv tuner |
| 01:04.22 | eye69 | What's left to get working (now that I'm drunk...I've got a lot of energy to get stuff working, but no braincells to do the actual work) |
| 01:05.01 | eye69 | Resudead: What soundcard is it? |
| 01:05.11 | Resudead | trying to get X at higher res, adding/configuring SB live 5.1 and Brooktree Compat TV tuner |
| 01:06.14 | Resudead | typing isn't too easy though |
| 01:06.41 | Resudead | too dark in here and I cannot reach the lightswitch |
| 01:08.01 | Resudead | ah, light |
| 01:09.57 | Resudead | ping |
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| 01:15.31 | Resudead | hi cupis |
| 01:15.36 | cupis | hi Resudead |
| 01:15.54 | Resudead | were you there today? |
| 01:16.20 | cupis | I was - missed the lvm lecture though (that was the one I wanted to see :() |
| 01:16.30 | cupis | Who changed the scedule? :) |
| 01:16.37 | eye69 | The LVM talk was good |
| 01:16.53 | Resudead | no idea, I pretty much missed the talks altogether |
| 01:17.18 | cupis | That's the second time I've seen the gnome2 talk, as well. |
| 01:17.36 | eye69 | Michael was fun :) |
| 01:19.01 | dankolb_ | nn all |
| 01:19.06 | Resudead | night dan |
| 01:19.14 | Resudead | cupis, were you at the pub? |
| 01:20.14 | cupis | No, just at the Uni/lectures. Went to BCF/CEX and home. |
| 01:22.53 | Resudead | what should the permissions be on html dos' served by apache? |
| 01:23.39 | eye69 | Resudead: 644 |
| 01:23.47 | eye69 | Resudead: 755 for dirs. |
| 01:23.55 | cupis | Resudead: the user 'nobody' has to be able to read the files... |
| 01:23.55 | Resudead | tried that, and I was getting 403's |
| 01:24.02 | Resudead | (on the individual files) |
| 01:24.04 | cupis | Resudead: configuration problem? |
| 01:24.25 | Resudead | no, just out of interest, set them to 111, and it worked |
| 01:25.02 | cupis | Resudead: you set the files to 111 (--x--x--x)? |
| 01:25.12 | Resudead | yes, it worked, 644 failed |
| 01:25.23 | Resudead | for some reason need executable permisions |
| 01:25.29 | cupis | Resudead: just plain files? not scripts or programs? |
| 01:25.39 | Resudead | no, plain html files |
| 01:26.17 | cupis | Resudead: what are the permissions on the directory containing the files? |
| 01:26.28 | Resudead | one sec |
| 01:27.10 | Resudead | 711 I think |
| 01:27.19 | cupis | have you looked at the apache error log? |
| 01:27.33 | Resudead | rw---x--x for the dir |
| 01:27.39 | Resudead | (/var/www) |
| 01:28.40 | Resudead | default install, somethings confused here :) |
| 01:28.50 | Resudead | probably me somewhere |
| 01:30.43 | Resudead | don't know what happened., but 755/644 works now |
| 01:31.34 | cupis | strange |
| 01:35.10 | Davilion | my $cdrom=shift; |
| 01:35.10 | Davilion | my $x=shift; |
| 01:35.10 | Davilion | while(1){ |
| 01:35.10 | Davilion | $x++; |
| 01:35.10 | Davilion | print "press any key to continue"; |
| 01:35.11 | Davilion | my $foo=<STDIN>; |
| 01:35.12 | Davilion | my $command="dd if=$cdrom of=./$x.iso"; |
| 01:35.16 | Davilion | print $command; |
| 01:35.18 | Davilion | system $command; |
| 01:35.20 | Davilion | system "mkdir /mnt/music/$x"; |
| 01:35.23 | Davilion | system "mount ./$x.iso -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt/music/$x"; |
| 01:35.25 | Davilion | system "ln -s /mnt/music/$x /music/$x"; |
| 01:35.27 | Davilion | system "eject $cdrom"; |
| 01:35.29 | Davilion | print "Please take disk out of $command, disk number is $x\n"; |
| 01:35.31 | Davilion | } |
| 01:35.33 | Davilion | heh |
| 01:37.01 | Resudead | am 99% sure it was my mistake somewhere along the lines, but can't imagine when because I have done nothing related to /var/www apart from copying html files all ready with permissions set |
| 01:37.52 | Resudead | davilion > but why ? ;) |
| 01:38.53 | Davilion | Resudead: lots of us have large mp3 cd collectiosn |
| 01:38.57 | Davilion | i have multiple cd drives |
| 01:39.09 | Davilion | i put cd in drives it rips, mounts and exports |
| 01:39.37 | skugg | Davilion, man jack. |
| 01:40.14 | skugg | put cd in drive, jack && eject |
| 01:41.20 | eye69 | I have an 18-CD SCSI-changer...it's nice :) |
| 01:41.21 | Resudead | cheap hdds don't appreciate caddies |
| 01:41.27 | eye69 | skugg: Didn't you go to bed? :) |
| 01:41.42 | Resudead | true skugg :) |
| 01:41.59 | skugg | eye69, *cough* |
| 01:42.05 | skugg | i'm trying, i really am :P |
| 01:42.08 | eye69 | skugg: Heh. Addict. |
| 01:42.37 | skugg | got into a chat with a person i've not talked to for a long time just as i was about to log off |
| 01:42.40 | skugg | damn him |
| 01:42.49 | Davilion | eye69: NICE.... |
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| 01:42.53 | skugg | he always does this late night |
| 01:43.32 | Davilion | Resudead: sure, i dont have many cd's but i do have some storage :) |
| 01:45.20 | Resudead | (^at least 512kb/s) |
| 01:45.33 | skugg | correction, about 80 |
| 01:45.59 | skugg | Resudead, what music do you like? |
| 01:46.08 | eye69 | Resudead: If I had the energy and actually had the changer connected I could've given you access to it along with necessary tools to change the cd |
| 01:46.32 | Resudead | most (infact almost all) except garage/r&b/hip hop stuff |
| 01:47.42 | skugg | Resudead, see anything you like? --> printf.net/~stig/list |
| 01:48.28 | skugg | Resudead, déja vù ... |
| 01:49.22 | Resudead | can you repeat the last post please (xchat kind of got confused :) |
| 01:49.42 | Resudead | (dodgy ram) |
| 01:50.11 | skugg | Resudead, see anything you like? --> printf.net/~stig/list |
| 01:50.14 | Resudead | skugg, I appreciate the music on most of that list :) |
| 01:50.25 | skugg | i'll see what i can do |
| 01:50.27 | Davilion | skugg/ Resudead fancy getting together with some dat drives? |
| 01:50.47 | skugg | Davilion, if you wish... |
| 01:51.00 | cupis | night all |
| 01:51.08 | Resudead | night |
| 01:51.20 | skugg | neither do i |
| 01:51.29 | skugg | i don't have much more diskspace either ;) |
| 01:51.37 | skugg | but my housemate has dvd-burner... |
| 01:51.39 | skugg | :) |
| 01:51.48 | Davilion | well cd burner/dvd burner hard disks etc |
| 01:51.53 | skugg | and 24x cd-burner |
| 01:52.01 | Resudead | I have 10G on this machine, and another 7,8 or so on the netowrk |
| 01:52.08 | Resudead | but no mp3's since I lost my hdd |
| 01:52.22 | Resudead | I have a 32x burner |
| 01:52.49 | Davilion | i havee 400w of 240v ac in my car :) |
| 01:52.57 | Resudead | would love a dvd burner, but bank says otherwise :) |
| 01:53.02 | Davilion | Resudead: mine too |
| 01:53.26 | Davilion | whens good time for you guys? |
| 01:53.37 | skugg | i'm quite willing to just share, don't really care about getting so much back |
| 01:53.51 | Davilion | me too |
| 01:53.51 | skugg | i like to have the CDs y'see. |
| 01:53.51 | Resudead | whenever (literally) |
| 01:54.03 | Davilion | skugg: heh, yeah my mate has a massive cupboard stacked full of cd's so shiny :) |
| 01:54.10 | Davilion | skugg: when you free? |
| 01:54.10 | Resudead | except maybe not now, too late at night |
| 01:54.11 | skugg | Davilion, where're you located? |
| 01:54.16 | Davilion | skugg: omnipresent. |
| 01:54.22 | skugg | Davilion, how convenient |
| 01:54.31 | skugg | how's north wembley? :) |
| 01:54.39 | Davilion | skugg: normally coventry but anywheres good for me |
| 01:54.40 | skugg | i'll provide tea an bisquits |
| 01:54.44 | Davilion | skugg: sounds goof |
| 01:54.54 | Davilion | good |
| 01:55.10 | Resudead | what'll I need? |
| 01:55.26 | Davilion | Resudead: storage, cat5? |
| 01:55.34 | skugg | i've got cat5 :) |
| 01:55.55 | Davilion | cool. |
| 01:56.00 | skugg | got few spare ports on the hub though, mind. |
| 01:56.04 | skugg | :( |
| 01:56.17 | Davilion | I'll bring a 10/100 hub, might be able to get a switch. |
| 01:56.39 | Resudead | I'll bring a baby hub (4 pt) can just uplink |
| 01:56.41 | skugg | ah, that's brilliant. my hub is only 10mbit |
| 01:57.10 | skugg | Resudead, do you have any laptop-type of drive? |
| 01:57.20 | skugg | s,drive,storage, |
| 01:57.26 | Resudead | no, only the big box |
| 01:57.31 | skugg | okay |
| 01:57.42 | skugg | how do you feel about bringing that? |
| 01:57.44 | Davilion | skugg: how are you for power? do you have sockets or do you want me to bring some 13A strips? |
| 01:57.46 | skugg | do you have a car? |
| 01:57.58 | Resudead | no, but I'll think on iot for a few mins |
| 01:58.10 | skugg | i've got a few sockets, but don't know how many we'll need... |
| 01:58.12 | Resudead | (this box has over 100 miles on it's clock so far :)) |
| 01:58.19 | skugg | can always unplug the tv/video i guess :) |
| 01:58.19 | Resudead | ^1000 |
| 01:58.25 | Davilion | Resudead: i drive, and will be driving i can meet you somewhere obvious and go pick your stuff up if you want. |
| 01:58.38 | Davilion | skugg: I'll bring a power strip or 2 |
| 01:58.45 | Resudead | davilion, where are you coming from? |
| 01:58.55 | Davilion | west london |
| 01:58.59 | skugg | i'm leaving for norway on the 19th, so it has to be before that |
| 01:59.08 | Davilion | well i'll be driving down the m40 to the m25 |
| 01:59.11 | skugg | what do you want, weekday/weekend? |
| 01:59.17 | Resudead | only problem is I'm north (enfield) |
| 01:59.23 | Davilion | skugg: Im easy. |
| 01:59.36 | Resudead | me too, I woj't be working till after christmas |
| 01:59.48 | Davilion | Resudead: could meet you at hanger lane/west acton or somewhre like that then drive out. |
| 01:59.54 | Davilion | how about next friday? |
| 02:00.08 | skugg | "there's so much stuff to buy, i need a new hard drive" -- weird al yankovic |
| 02:00.23 | Resudead | get the tube, drive back, then drive to wembly? |
| 02:00.57 | skugg | Davilion, you mean the 13th? |
| 02:01.02 | Resudead | I'll probably borrow the hard drive from the families box |
| 02:01.03 | skugg | that's a good one for me |
| 02:01.18 | Resudead | yep, Fri 13th then |
| 02:01.25 | Davilion | yep sounds good for me |
| 02:01.37 | Davilion | i'll make sure im not in leeds on the friday |
| 02:01.38 | skugg | damn, i need to check if i'm working... |
| 02:01.53 | skugg | i _think_ i'll have stopped for the term, but don't know... |
| 02:01.55 | Davilion | skugg: what times? i wont be around until after work >5ish |
| 02:02.07 | skugg | Davilion, i normally work until 7 |
| 02:02.10 | skugg | :( |
| 02:02.23 | Davilion | skugg: cool that gives me plenty of time to get there |
| 02:02.44 | skugg | okay, if you're fine with that then it's fine |
| 02:02.44 | skugg | i'm game then |
| 02:03.11 | Resudead | I'm game after a few things worked out in my head :) |
| 02:04.42 | Davilion | cool. |
| 02:04.57 | skugg | just found this in a quote from my (ex) gf: |
| 02:05.01 | Davilion | how lates this going to go? will there be crash space? |
| 02:05.11 | skugg | Moo on Music: Forget cultural appreciation just say it's crap. |
| 02:05.12 | Resudead | :-) |
| 02:05.51 | skugg | Davilion, err... bring something to sleep on then. i've got a spare duvet, but no spare bed/couch... |
| 02:06.05 | skugg | (i've got a double bed, but you're not sharing it :P) |
| 02:06.08 | Resudead | still not sure how I my ...er... logistics are going to work |
| 02:07.07 | Resudead | maybe the whole thing will fit in one of my bags |
| 02:07.29 | skugg | Davilion, i wouldn't sleep on the carpet here, it's pretty nasty (then again i'm allergic to dust mites) |
| 02:07.35 | skugg | you're welcome to though |
| 02:09.43 | Resudead | me + box + (neccesity * monitor) = huge |
| 02:10.03 | Resudead | if that makes any sense |
| 02:10.07 | Davilion | skugg: cool, i'll bring some sleeping baggage |
| 02:10.10 | skugg | oh yeah, monitor is necissary, i don't have any spares :( |
| 02:10.18 | Davilion | skugg: i can bring a spare monitor for you |
| 02:10.29 | Resudead | great, I only have a 17", going to be fun to lug around :) |
| 02:10.34 | skugg | Resudead, you huge? liar. i met you today, you're tiny :P |
| 02:10.47 | Resudead | but my computer is huge :) |
| 02:11.05 | skugg | (i don't have _any_ monitors actually, that are not attached to any of my laptops that is) |
| 02:11.44 | Davilion | i have 3 monitors on my desk but i dont use any of them |
| 02:11.50 | skugg | my housemate just yesterday went to a mate's house and copied 60 dvd-rip divxs by the way... |
| 02:12.00 | Davilion | :D |
| 02:12.08 | skugg | maybe we'll get him in on our little warez-swap |
| 02:12.27 | skugg | sounds okay? :) |
| 02:12.30 | Resudead | so am I meeting you (davilion) at west acton or something with my box (and monitor?) |
| 02:12.30 | Davilion | heh, if i get a fast burner, do i then need to get expensive cd's? |
| 02:12.42 | Resudead | answer is yes unless you burn @ 12x |
| 02:12.52 | Davilion | Resudead: i can meet you somewhere obvious, ie, i dont know london that well so somewhere near you and a major road is fine |
| 02:13.18 | Resudead | Davilion, where are you coming from? |
| 02:13.30 | skugg | Resudead, nah. my housemate burns cheap cds at 24x and it works fine |
| 02:13.48 | Resudead | I cannot burn cheap cd's at 32x |
| 02:13.51 | Davilion | Resudead: either hayes, or coventry |
| 02:13.58 | Davilion | depends how fucked up things get during the week |
| 02:14.06 | Davilion | but i imagine i'll be driving down the m40 into london |
| 02:14.50 | Resudead | that's the thing, I am on the northern side of london |
| 02:15.09 | Davilion | Resudead: shouldnt be a major problem. |
| 02:15.51 | Resudead | about 10 mins walk from J25 on the M25? |
| 02:15.59 | Davilion | http://www.madchat.org/artgfx/girls/bsod.jpg |
| 02:16.21 | skugg | http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=517180&y=186861&z=0&sv=ha0+3sd&st=2&tl=Postcode+ha0+3sd&pc=ha0+3sd&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf |
| 02:16.23 | Resudead | :-) |
| 02:16.25 | skugg | that's me |
| 02:17.49 | skugg | eh, notice that in the pic Davilion posted the chick seems to only have panties on "her lower half"... |
| 02:18.33 | Resudead | true :-) |
| 02:20.49 | Resudead | ok skugg, I think you have spent enough time looking now :-) |
| 02:21.25 | Resudead | althoug I'd be inclined to agree with you |
| 02:21.42 | skugg | http://internet.ls-la.net/pictures/Linux-never-looked-this-good.html |
| 02:21.47 | skugg | same as those |
| 02:22.13 | skugg | i distinctly remember seing some of those pictures without the various logos. |
| 02:22.29 | Resudead | don't quite fit do they :) |
| 02:23.02 | skugg | actually, it should be more pictures there, i must have messed up the link |
| 02:23.08 | Davilion | hmmm, cute. |
| 02:24.09 | skugg | ah, here it is |
| 02:24.12 | skugg | http://members.ferrara.linux.it/cavicchi/temp/linux/girl01.html |
| 02:24.25 | Resudead | davilion, so if I haul my box to the nearest 'main' road (w/out getting mugged:) you'll pick me up from there |
| 02:24.33 | Resudead | ? |
| 02:24.34 | Davilion | Resudead: sure |
| 02:24.56 | skugg | http://members.ferrara.linux.it/cavicchi/temp/linux/linux15.jpg :)) |
| 02:25.13 | Resudead | ok then the main road will be the A10 about 2 miles in from the M25(j25) if ok |
| 02:25.47 | Davilion | yeah should be |
| 02:25.49 | Resudead | lol skugg ;) |
| 02:26.25 | skugg | some people just have way too much time :) |
| 02:26.54 | Resudead | ok, I'll give you more exact details nearer the time, it's a bit late at night for my brain to function anywhere near 100% |
| 02:27.02 | Resudead | (not that it ever does) |
| 02:27.34 | Davilion | skugg: yup, and it makes the world a much better place heh |
| 02:27.56 | Resudead | that it does |
| 02:28.03 | skugg | Davilion, amen |
| 02:28.21 | skugg | if more people spent time doing that instead of killing eachother it would be a lot nicer indeed |
| 02:28.52 | Davilion | definatly |
| 02:29.02 | Davilion | thats what i think the problem with the US is, they dont watch enough porn |
| 02:29.16 | Resudead | never thought of it that way |
| 02:29.25 | Davilion | and for bush, its just compensating for something |
| 02:30.01 | skugg | "software is like sex, it's better when it's free" plastered all over a naked girl in one of the last ones :P |
| 02:31.27 | Resudead | :) |
| 02:36.28 | skugg | Resudead, since you're relatively new to linux/unix... you might not have encountered the traditional unix way of lovemaking |
| 02:38.41 | skugg | gawk; talk; nice; date; wine; grep; touch; unzip; touch; gasp; finger; |
| 02:38.41 | skugg | gasp; lyx; mount; fsck; more; yes; gasp; umount; make clean; |
| 02:38.42 | Davilion | skugg: if its anything like the lovemaking jenson described, i can't wait :P |
| 02:38.42 | skugg | make mrproper; sleep |
| 02:38.56 | skugg | Davilion, i've not heard jenson describe any lovemaking |
| 02:39.30 | skugg | :) |
| 02:39.35 | Resudead | me neither |
| 02:39.50 | skugg | there's many versions of course of the above, that was the first example i found |
| 02:40.28 | Resudead | :) |
| 02:40.47 | Resudead | davilion, whats this about jensons lovemaking? |
| 02:41.22 | skugg | yeah, i'd like to hear that before i go to bed |
| 02:41.49 | skugg | (and that's pretty imminent) |
| 02:42.10 | Resudead | same here (on both accounts) |
| 02:43.55 | Davilion | heh |
| 02:44.13 | Davilion | well she mentioned klingons and from what leeds tells me its pretty aggressive |
| 02:44.24 | Davilion | lots of passion or something |
| 02:44.53 | skugg | okay |
| 02:44.56 | Resudead | ok |
| 02:45.13 | skugg | seem to remeber something about klingon lovemaking actually |
| 02:45.30 | Resudead | never experienced it myself |
| 02:45.30 | Davilion | yeah thats about right |
| 02:45.34 | Davilion | me neither |
| 02:45.39 | Davilion | perhaps she would give a demo |
| 02:45.50 | skugg | i just don't find that big guy very attractive |
| 02:46.01 | Davilion | heh |
| 02:46.01 | skugg | Davilion, fat chance |
| 02:49.29 | Davilion | skugg: yeah, but i can dream heheh |
| 02:49.49 | skugg | i guess :) |
| 02:50.08 | skugg | awright, i'm off to bed now. for real this time |
| 02:50.22 | Resudead | I will be soon as well |
| 02:50.36 | Resudead | (just 64 more emails to read) |
| 02:52.27 | Resudead | night skugg |
| 02:55.04 | Resudead | think I'm off now as well |
| 02:55.07 | Resudead | night davilion |
| 02:55.17 | Resudead | night anyone else still up |
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| 12:46.00 | highbury | alert: new version of Knoppix available! |
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| 14:09.05 | formi | afternoon |
| 14:09.30 | zimm | hi formi |
| 14:10.17 | formi | hello |
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| 14:21.06 | eye69 | G'd afternoon |
| 14:28.12 | formi | hiya |
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| 16:18.05 | murb | highbury: is their a mailgn ist o warn you or somthihnhg of such events? |
| 16:19.07 | formi | Resuaded_Away: http://elks.sourceforge.net/faq/FAQ-English.html#1.1 |
| 16:19.14 | formi | check that one |
| 16:20.52 | formi | Paul Nasrat is the guy I told you about yesterday |
| 16:22.59 | Resuaded_Away | yeah, I remember |
| 16:26.59 | Resudaed | formi, this looks perfect for the time being |
| 16:28.23 | formi | that is what i thought |
| 16:29.00 | Resudaed | I am about to try and get it up right now (I'll be bringing a loptop to the next gllug then :) |
| 16:29.04 | formi | Paul Nasrat <pauln@truemesh.com> |
| 16:29.31 | formi | you might tell him what you are trying to do, he will appreciate the feedback |
| 16:29.38 | Resudaed | I will |
| 16:29.49 | formi | and provide some tips |
| 16:30.08 | Resudaed | the reason I needed it off the hard disk is the CMOS battery is dead, and it defaults to booting of the hard disk |
| 16:30.36 | Resudaed | and ctrl+alt+del just hangs it for some reason |
| 16:30.45 | formi | fixing it shouldn't be much of a problem |
| 16:31.09 | Resudaed | it's a 6v battery though |
| 16:31.19 | formi | if you have the original battery you can probably get the specs, and get another or use an adapter |
| 16:31.40 | formi | you can use 4 1.5 volts then |
| 16:32.10 | Resudaed | not very much room in there |
| 16:32.21 | Resudaed | I will work it soo though |
| 16:33.06 | formi | you can make a holder for the batteries and attach it to the back of the lcd |
| 16:33.16 | Resudaed | actually, if I make the hdd un-bootable, it'll have no choice but to boot |
| 16:33.24 | Resudaed | (from fd0) |
| 16:34.33 | Resudaed | the boot sequence defaults to hdd, fdd |
| 16:34.43 | formi | you can try to save the mbr to a floppy and then wipe it, and restore it afterwards |
| 16:35.42 | Resudaed | let's see how well its booting first ... |
| 16:37.26 | Resudaed | I will need to get an msdos boot disk, my only method of bios access is a dos program |
| 16:39.55 | Resudaed | what is the 'bandwidth' like on a parallel port? |
| 16:40.16 | murb | for plip? |
| 16:40.37 | Resudaed | just generally hardware transfer sppeds |
| 16:40.59 | Resudaed | (not for plip, for something far more colicated :) |
| 16:41.06 | Resudaed | (not for plip, for something far more complicated :) |
| 16:45.43 | Resudaed | I need that 6v battery now (brb) |
| 16:46.56 | skugg | wow. not much traffic here today |
| 16:47.32 | skugg | murb, by the way... thank you for the tip about solaris quotas :) |
| 16:48.37 | skugg | i just remembered that i have a solaris account at uni with a 30 MiB quota (6 times as much as most users! :) ) which this trick can be useful for |
| 16:49.16 | highbury | murb: I'm on the freshmeat mailing list which tracks certain packages |
| 16:49.48 | murb | skugg: if you play tricks like that also use posix acls e.g. getfacl, setfacl. |
| 16:50.22 | murb | although using them may break their backups.. |
| 16:50.25 | skugg | i'll try to remember if i need to play tricks like that |
| 16:50.55 | skugg | i don't really use it, the unix-setup my uni has is so broken that i prefer to use windows :( |
| 16:51.06 | skugg | and i've not had windows installed the last 4 years |
| 16:51.34 | skugg | at least on the windows machines i can use putty and ssh out, that is not possible from our unix systems :( |
| 16:55.13 | murb | skugg: why can't you ssh from your unix systems? |
| 16:57.49 | formi | skugg you might also get winscp2, really nise, avoided having to deal with command.com |
| 16:59.50 | murb | formi: cmd.exe is *much* nicer thn command.com |
| 17:00.19 | formi | does is have filename expansion? |
| 17:01.01 | formi | s/is/it |
| 17:01.40 | skugg | murb, why, wouldn't you know... they've changed it now :P |
| 17:01.45 | skugg | murb, it actually works |
| 17:01.57 | skugg | never mind, i carry my own machine in to uni anyway... |
| 17:02.00 | skugg | much rather use that ;) |
| 17:02.34 | skugg | formi, i don't see why i would need it... why would i have to use cmd.exe/command.com? |
| 17:02.37 | murb | skugg: did you pick your uni randomly? |
| 17:02.59 | skugg | murb, not quite. it was the only uni in london that offered a BSc in AI> |
| 17:03.05 | skugg | s,>,., |
| 17:03.13 | skugg | afaik |
| 17:03.25 | Resudaed | stupid question, does anyone know unzip a zip file? |
| 17:03.33 | skugg | unzip file.zip |
| 17:03.34 | formi | if you want to copy files via ssh, you can use pscp under command.com |
| 17:03.48 | Resudaed | :-) couldn't be simpler |
| 17:04.19 | skugg | formi, ah. i simply use ftp usually, or puttyscp.exe |
| 17:04.29 | skugg | (or what the hell its name is) |
| 17:04.34 | formi | pscp.exe |
| 17:04.36 | Resudaed | uzip command not found |
| 17:04.44 | Resudaed | ^unzip |
| 17:04.55 | skugg | Resudaed, you have to install it then |
| 17:05.13 | skugg | Resudaed, what does "file file.zip" say? |
| 17:05.32 | skugg | (where "file" in a command, and "file.zip" is the zip-file you have) |
| 17:05.32 | murb | skugg: ok, but it doesn't seem too different from any other cs type degree, with the optoin to do lots of ai type stuff. |
| 17:05.45 | skugg | murb, true. |
| 17:06.04 | formi | skugg, give it a try and then decide, it has a two panel kind of mc graphical appearence |
| 17:06.11 | Resudaed | Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract |
| 17:06.14 | skugg | murb, i don't recommend people going to westminster though, it's a really mickey mouse university (the CS dept. in harrow at least) |
| 17:06.22 | skugg | Resudaed, then that's the one you need :) |
| 17:06.50 | skugg | Resudaed, i don't think gzip/gunzip can unpack normal zip-files... |
| 17:07.15 | formi | you might try to open it with mc |
| 17:08.37 | Resudaed | skugg, that's my problem, I'd never come accross a zip file on linux before :-) |
| 17:10.00 | skugg | Resudaed, what distro do you use? |
| 17:10.04 | formi | i use mc to open windows .exe with zip files inside without trouble |
| 17:10.29 | skugg | formi, but mc just calls unzip i think. |
| 17:10.34 | Resudaed | skugg, debian |
| 17:10.43 | skugg | Resudaed, ah. piece of cake then :) |
| 17:10.59 | skugg | apt-get install unzip |
| 17:11.09 | formi | probably, in my cae it just works(tm) |
| 17:11.12 | Resudaed | I know, I just found it on the apt-tree :-) |
| 17:11.20 | formi | s/cae/case |
| 17:12.06 | skugg | formi, yeah. but neither is installed by default on debian |
| 17:12.23 | skugg | i don't know about mandrake (that's what you use, isn't it?) |
| 17:12.45 | formi | it is the only true file manager |
| 17:13.10 | formi | i have it in all the machines i have root access |
| 17:13.26 | skugg | bah. the shell is the one true file manager :P |
| 17:15.52 | formi | i thought you only needed a hex editor |
| 17:19.15 | murb | pah, what is wrong with cat? |
| 17:19.42 | skugg | murb, cat as file manager? |
| 17:19.54 | skugg | thanks, i'll stick to my shell :P |
| 17:20.27 | skugg | i think a hex editor will be slightly underfeatured for my needs too. |
| 17:23.15 | Resudaed | init might be panicing, but half way there anyway |
| 17:23.35 | formi | what's the output? |
| 17:23.53 | Resudaed | hd:error: AX=0x0 |
| 17:24.04 | Resudaed | BIOSHD:I/O error |
| 17:24.15 | Resudaed | dev 380, sector 126 |
| 17:24.24 | murb | well as an editor, but you should be able to open directories. |
| 17:24.30 | Resudaed | (probably I dodgy floppy disk) |
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| 17:25.53 | Resudaed | afternoon zimm |
| 17:26.07 | Resudaed | I GOT LOGIN !!!! |
| 17:26.17 | Resudaed | (dodgy floppy) |
| 17:26.52 | zimm | heh . |
| 17:27.30 | Resudaed | zimm, it's the 386 laptop w/ 4MB RAM |
| 17:27.40 | zimm | ahahah |
| 17:27.45 | zimm | congrats ! |
| 17:27.58 | zimm | take much doing ? |
| 17:28.28 | Resudaed | nope, too easy |
| 17:29.12 | Resudaed | boot & root floppy disks for ELKS |
| 17:29.34 | Resudaed | but is just a miracle something worked |
| 17:30.43 | Resudaed | the fun bit is still to come (actually getting it to do something from the hdd) |
| 17:31.30 | zimm | how big is the HD , ? 40meg / |
| 17:31.32 | zimm | ? |
| 17:31.45 | Resudaed | yes |
| 17:32.13 | Resudaed | currently trying to find a second (100% working) floppy disk |
| 17:32.19 | zimm | so you are kinda limited to what you can install then .. |
| 17:32.34 | Resudaed | yes, kind of limited to processing power and ram as well |
| 17:32.44 | Resudaed | probably going to need 8MB SWAP |
| 17:32.56 | Resudaed | (IMHO) |
| 17:33.21 | skugg | Resudaed, yeah |
| 17:33.36 | zimm | what ports does it have ? ie whats the situ with connectivity |
| 17:34.31 | Resudaed | 2 * serial, 1 * paraell, and 2 phone sockets |
| 17:34.51 | Resudaed | (the latter needs further investigation) |
| 17:35.28 | Resudaed | you wouldn't happen to know the maximum data transfer rate on a parallel port would you? |
| 17:35.43 | zimm | :-( |
| 17:35.46 | zimm | fraid not |
| 17:36.00 | Resudaed | crazy elsctronics scheme of mine |
| 17:37.16 | zimm | http://www6.ocn.ne.jp/~lineeye/p_speed_e.htm |
| 17:38.41 | zimm | http://www.lvr.com/parport.htm |
| 17:42.16 | formi | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12K Dec 8 17:47 ESC[0m.bash_historyESC[0m |
| 17:42.16 | formi | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24 Feb 15 2002 ESC[0m.bash_logoutESC[0m |
| 17:42.16 | formi | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 106 Feb 15 2002 ESC[0m.bash_profileESC[0m |
| 17:42.40 | formi | i've been playing with alias and screen |
| 17:43.22 | skugg | damn... that carling advert is so awful... |
| 17:44.05 | formi | i like crabs |
| 17:44.49 | highbury | murb: you at Hatfield Poly / Herts University? |
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| 17:45.51 | Resudaed | formi, I have it booting from the floppies, do you have any idea how get it to do the same off the hdd? |
| 17:46.36 | formi | i don't know if you can dd the floppies onto the hard disk |
| 17:46.46 | formi | at least one of them |
| 17:50.09 | Resudaed | it may be possible, I am looking into it now |
| 17:51.46 | Resudaed | fdisk is telling me there is an error opening hda1 |
| 17:53.15 | Resudaed | any ideas anyone? |
| 17:55.34 | Resudaed | or any idea what bda1 is? |
| 17:55.45 | BorgBaby | it may be corrupted |
| 17:56.07 | BorgBaby | hda1 is your first partition on your primary hard drive |
| 17:56.19 | Resudaed | no, bda1 |
| 17:56.33 | Resudaed | or bda |
| 17:56.56 | BorgBaby | what os? |
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| 17:57.35 | Resudaed | ELKS |
| 17:57.54 | Resudaed | embedded linux kernel system |
| 17:58.10 | formi | what fylesystem do you have in the hd? |
| 17:58.15 | BorgBaby | not sure about bda. maybe something in the elks manual? |
| 17:58.21 | Resudaed | MSDOS |
| 17:59.37 | Resudaed | /dev/bda has 613 cylinders, 4 heads, 34 sectors |
| 17:59.56 | Resudaed | just wondered why it's bda? |
| 18:01.33 | BorgBaby | how many partitions on the drive? |
| 18:02.34 | Resudaed | 1 (0 now) |
| 18:04.27 | BorgBaby | maybe just format(blank) it, & re-format for whatever filesystem ELKS wants... |
| 18:05.15 | Resudaed | I am doing |
| 18:12.14 | Resudaed | it gets better, I don't have an mnt directory, and for some reason cannot create one |
| 18:13.38 | BorgBaby | sounds weird. have you read the install docs? |
| 18:13.45 | Resudaed | yes |
| 18:14.55 | Resudaed | I'll create the directory from another box |
| 18:15.24 | skugg | quite cool actually |
| 18:15.36 | Resudaed | permission denied ?? |
| 18:17.37 | Resudaed | maybe I'll just watch scrap heap challenge, have something to eat, then come back to this |
| 18:18.08 | Resudaed | damn minix filesystems |
| 18:19.32 | formi | is there any way of finding ssh tunnel connections in the machine with the server? |
| 18:19.54 | formi | netstat shows just the usual connection |
| 18:23.42 | highbury | netstat -M ? |
| 18:24.08 | highbury | not sure tho' as I haven't done it for a while |
| 18:24.57 | formi | root@ns:~# netstat -M |
| 18:24.57 | formi | netstat: no support for `ip_masquerade' on this system. |
| 18:24.57 | formi | root@ns:~# |
| 18:25.58 | Resudaed | skugg, impressive wasn't it :) |
| 18:26.07 | formi | basically i connected with a ssh -C -L 200:ns:119 1000:ns:3128 3130:3130 ns |
| 18:26.26 | formi | and it is working |
| 18:27.20 | formi | sorry ssh -C -L 200:ns:119 -L 1000:ns:3128 -L 3130:3130 ns |
| 18:28.02 | skugg | Resudaed, well yes:) |
| 18:29.01 | Resudaed | ah well, I'll enter in a year or two |
| 18:29.07 | Resudaed | show em how it's done |
| 18:31.50 | Resudaed | think I'll watch enterprise now |
| 18:31.54 | Resudaed | :-) |
| 18:33.44 | BorgBaby | I really hate the enterprise theme tune |
| 18:34.56 | skugg | BorgBaby, you and be both! |
| 18:34.59 | Resudaed_Away | it's not a tradional star trek theme tune, but an ok song |
| 18:35.11 | formi | the bloody colonialists... |
| 18:35.48 | BorgBaby | it's russell watson (the tenor guy) |
| 18:36.14 | formi | come on, it is dull |
| 18:36.29 | BorgBaby | not a patch on ds9 on tng |
| 18:37.15 | Resudaed_Away | ds9 rocks |
| 18:37.39 | BorgBaby | ds9 had the best storylines |
| 18:38.09 | Resudaed_Away | agreed |
| 18:38.34 | formi | here we go |
| 18:39.08 | Resudaed_Away | saying that, voyager did start to pick up towards the end |
| 18:39.26 | Resudaed_Away | took long enough though |
| 18:40.07 | BorgBaby | voyager was cool (esp janeway's hair) |
| 18:40.18 | formi | a sea view where the see doesn't move |
| 18:41.05 | Resudaed_Away | s/not/now :-) |
| 18:41.42 | BorgBaby | dawwwgs in spaaaace... |
| 18:42.02 | formi | oh. |
| 18:42.10 | formi | now it moves |
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| 18:53.19 | pdr | hello |
| 18:53.33 | formi | hiya |
| 18:53.40 | BorgBaby | hi |
| 18:53.42 | formi | so you got my email |
| 18:53.53 | pdr | never really realised there was a irc channel for gllug |
| 18:53.55 | pdr | formi: yes |
| 18:54.10 | formi | sorry about the first one, should have gone to you directly instead of to the list |
| 18:54.18 | pdr | np :) |
| 18:54.43 | pdr | one of those that could have gone to either |
| 18:55.04 | pdr | by the "Hi Pete" gave away the intention :) |
| 18:55.23 | pdr | s/by/but/ |
| 18:55.45 | formi | well good maners tend to crawl upon me from time to time |
| 18:55.56 | pdr | hehe |
| 18:56.49 | pdr | BorgBaby: are you on teh mailing-list? |
| 18:57.14 | BorgBaby | pdr: I'm on it, but rarely read it |
| 18:57.21 | pdr | ah |
| 18:59.23 | formi | there is lot of not-interesting traffice lately |
| 19:00.10 | pdr | yeah, it comes and goes, the interesting threads... still it's something to do and keeps me occupied whilst I'm, er, in between jobs |
| 19:01.06 | pdr | i'm still on the sydney LUG mailing list too, and that sometimes has some pretty good discussions |
| 19:02.52 | formi | have you heard from Kim of the SLUG? |
| 19:03.00 | formi | s/of/on |
| 19:03.35 | pdr | hmm.. there's a Ken. Ken Foskey. |
| 19:03.43 | pdr | can't think of a Kim though |
| 19:04.06 | formi | didn't you meet him here in london? |
| 19:05.18 | pdr | um, no, maybe. can't remember if i did |
| 19:05.33 | pdr | was i drinking at the time? |
| 19:05.39 | formi | http://gllug.vmlinuz.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album01&id=aap&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php |
| 19:06.04 | formi | the one at the far right, I was hidding behind him |
| 19:06.17 | skugg | haha, the doctor in star trek was fun |
| 19:06.55 | pdr | oh yeah, i reckonise him vaguely |
| 19:06.56 | formi | if you say so, skugg |
| 19:07.09 | pdr | pretty packed meeting - which one wast that? |
| 19:07.20 | pdr | doctor in star trek? huh? |
| 19:07.20 | formi | pdr he is a bit difficult to miss |
| 19:07.39 | formi | we are watching enterprise on tv |
| 19:07.48 | formi | channel 4 |
| 19:08.05 | BorgBaby | he's into wireless in a big way |
| 19:08.09 | pdr | which one are they up to? (don't have a tv, but I've seen about half of series 2 already) |
| 19:08.39 | formi | BorgBaby, do you go to the consume meetings? |
| 19:09.35 | BorgBaby | no, but try to keep an eye on developments |
| 19:10.57 | formi | i missed the last one |
| 19:19.54 | BorgBaby | oh well, I'm off, going to try & get some work done! laters... |
| 19:20.08 | formi | see you |
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| 19:25.54 | dankolb | Evening |
| 19:26.09 | formi | eve |
| 19:26.53 | dankolb | How's life? |
| 19:27.24 | formi | sad |
| 19:27.54 | formi | i had a laptop nicked last night in the pub after the gllug meeting |
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| 19:28.27 | formi | i had received it yesterday morning |
| 19:28.47 | dankolb | Awww |
| 19:28.47 | dankolb | Was it a nice laptop? |
| 19:29.41 | dankolb | Ahhhh |
| 19:29.48 | dankolb | Did you phone up the pub? |
| 19:30.04 | formi | not really a thinkpad 770ed |
| 19:30.33 | dankolb | You didn't just leave it in the pub, did you? |
| 19:30.40 | formi | i spoke with them 5 mins after it happened, and we found a bag probably left by the thief |
| 19:30.54 | formi | we found a crack pipe in it |
| 19:30.56 | dankolb | Ahh. |
| 19:30.58 | dankolb | :-/ |
| 19:31.06 | dankolb | Sorry to hear that :( |
| 19:31.16 | dankolb | Is it insured? |
| 19:31.27 | formi | i don't know if i can get a refund from the credit card company i used to pay it |
| 19:31.50 | dankolb | You can phone and ask them. That's the best thing to do, I guess |
| 19:32.15 | formi | im trying to get a receipt from the guy who sold it to me |
| 19:33.46 | dankolb | Ah. Fair enough. |
| 19:34.01 | Jenson | Good luck formi. |
| 19:34.41 | formi | thanks |
| 19:35.13 | formi | it was bad luck, my laptop was the heaviest and the most crappy one |
| 19:35.34 | formi | s/most crappy/crappiest |
| 19:35.58 | Jenson | well then it#s the loss of the people who took it aswell, they obviously aren't all that clever. |
| 19:36.52 | formi | somebody who smokes crack is NOT clever |
| 19:37.10 | Jenson | Well yeah that's true. |
| 19:37.41 | formi | and his/her intelligence decreases everytime |
| 19:38.12 | Jenson | I can decrease my intelligence without drugs...it's called using Windows lol |
| 19:38.30 | zimm | hehe |
| 19:38.34 | Jenson | hey zimm |
| 19:38.38 | zimm | hey Jenson |
| 19:38.40 | formi | well that is much cheaper |
| 19:38.42 | zimm | :-) |
| 19:39.11 | dankolb | Not with MS's new licencing it's not ;-) |
| 19:39.49 | Jenson | I liked the bit that I read in a book that said 'most users do not own their programs and are not allowed to edit them' |
| 19:39.57 | Jenson | i |
| 19:39.59 | Jenson | oops |
| 19:40.01 | Jenson | not i |
| 19:40.03 | formi | i suupose jenson is not that gullible |
| 19:40.22 | Jenson | It's too damn hot in here I wish my dad hadn't turned the heating up. |
| 19:40.34 | dankolb | Take some clothes off then ;-) |
| 19:41.18 | Jenson | He doesn't believe that it's hotter even though he turned the boiler up lol |
| 19:41.37 | dankolb | So you're hot then |
| 19:41.51 | Jenson | My mother says the house is too hot aswell |
| 19:42.00 | Jenson | And the computer is running hotter |
| 19:42.28 | formi | odd, usually females run colder than males |
| 19:42.41 | Jenson | Yeah I usually complain it's too cold. |
| 19:42.57 | formi | maybe your father is getting old all of the sudden |
| 19:43.28 | Jenson | He says that if he hasn't turned the thermostat up, just the boiler then it isn't hotter.....but it is. |
| 19:44.01 | eye69 | So why turn it up if you're not using the heat? Ask him that. |
| 19:44.40 | Jenson | Something about some rads being hotter than others and balancing the system out....either that or he wants my mother to wear less clothes lol |
| 19:45.50 | formi | well he should know a few ways of hotting up your mother |
| 19:46.07 | dankolb | :-) |
| 19:46.23 | Jenson | formi: yeah but I don't want to think about it. |
| 19:46.59 | formi | just tell them you are going to be in your room for the rest of the night |
| 19:47.47 | Jenson | That would include not being online though....I don't have phonecables into my room yet |
| 19:49.54 | formi | what about, dad could I have an extension to my room to be alone? |
| 19:50.59 | Jenson | I told him to put phonecables through when they put tv aerial through whilst building the extension but he forgot so now we've got to trail cable half way around the house instead. He say's it's not important and we'll get round to it. |
| 19:51.24 | formi | anyway, better don't interfere too much with them |
| 19:58.06 | Jenson | How has everyone's weekend been? |
| 19:59.36 | formi | no comment |
| 20:00.08 | Jenson | ok then |
| 20:00.19 | dankolb | Dull |
| 20:01.39 | formi | dank, any luck with the powerbook? |
| 20:02.14 | dankolb | Not yet. Still need to do something about a power supply |
| 20:11.58 | Jenson | I'm gonna go piss around with Slackware for a bit.....actually play KDE Solitaire lol |
| 20:12.09 | eye69 | Any tips on replacements for NFS where I _don't_ have to use a dedicated directory for the share? |
| 20:12.17 | dankolb | Hehe. That can keep you busy for hours |
| 20:12.27 | dankolb | eye69: You just want to share individual files? |
| 20:12.46 | Jenson | I'll be back between 9:30 and 10, or before if I get bored. |
| 20:12.48 | Jenson | See ya |
| 20:12.57 | zimm | laters Jenson |
| 20:12.57 | dankolb | Off already? |
| 20:13.09 | Jenson | Yeah dankolb I'll BBL |
| 20:13.11 | eye69 | dankolb: Preferably entire trees, but I have another project where individual files will be sufficient. |
| 20:13.12 | Jenson | bye zimm |
| 20:13.23 | eye69 | dankolb: I've looked at Intermezzo and Coda. |
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| 20:14.04 | formi | is there anything like winscp2 for linux? |
| 20:14.14 | eye69 | winscp2? |
| 20:14.24 | dankolb | I thought NFS does entire trees |
| 20:14.40 | eye69 | It does. |
| 20:14.54 | formi | it's like mc but for windows, and it connects to a ssh server, |
| 20:15.20 | dankolb | So what do you want apart from that? |
| 20:15.50 | eye69 | NFS in Linux isn't that stable, and I want to look at alternatives. |
| 20:16.02 | dankolb | NFS on BSD? ;-) |
| 20:16.23 | eye69 | For the single-file implementation I need a good support for automatic reconnection. |
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| 20:16.34 | eye69 | dankolb: BSD is not an option. |
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| 20:16.43 | dankolb | Ah. |
| 20:16.45 | formi | what happened to the nfs on tcp? |
| 20:17.24 | dankolb | Fileshare on Windows? ;-) |
| 20:23.40 | formi | dank ? |
| 20:24.54 | dankolb | formi? |
| 20:25.05 | pdr | eye69: you can always manually use rsync |
| 20:25.08 | formi | fileshare on windows? |
| 20:25.21 | pdr | eye69: what did you think of CODA? |
| 20:25.35 | dankolb | Windows has better access controls than Unix |
| 20:25.48 | eye69 | pdr: Not applicable. In the single-file application it has to be realtime. |
| 20:26.42 | eye69 | A file is growing and the server and I have to get that over to the client |
| 20:26.50 | eye69 | s/and the/on the/ |
| 20:27.12 | pdr | rsync will work with open files too. |
| 20:27.33 | eye69 | It has to be realtime. |
| 20:27.43 | murb | when you have open files all bets about data are off. |
| 20:27.57 | eye69 | As in I can't afford a delay of even 5 secs |
| 20:27.58 | pdr | hmm... *and* handle disconnects... that's a tough ask |
| 20:28.26 | formi | some database ??? |
| 20:28.36 | eye69 | Of course if it disconnects I can't do much, but as soon as the server can be reached again it has to reconnect |
| 20:29.11 | pdr | even with a database, it will lock until you've finished writing |
| 20:31.00 | eye69 | It's just a flat file which is growing, written to by a local application |
| 20:31.04 | eye69 | linebuffered |
| 20:31.19 | pdr | i think you're going to have to do some custom hack for this one... maybe use netcat or osmething |
| 20:31.45 | eye69 | We're currently using a custom hack in the form of an app written in C |
| 20:31.53 | eye69 | client/server... |
| 20:31.58 | pdr | you know of netcat? |
| 20:32.03 | eye69 | Yeah |
| 20:34.02 | pdr | if you've got a fast network and the program closes the file in between writes, then nfs may be ok. |
| 20:34.15 | formi | tail -n xx > mail ?? |
| 20:34.35 | formi | tail -n xx | mail ?? |
| 20:35.42 | pdr | ...except for the disconnections... nfs doesn't like them much |
| 20:36.00 | eye69 | formi: Bah |
| 20:36.12 | eye69 | pdr: Disconnection support is very important |
| 20:36.24 | eye69 | I'm talking about raw stock market data |
| 20:36.27 | dankolb | I thought NFS was supposed to automatically reconnect when the connection was restored. |
| 20:36.32 | dankolb | Until then it'd just wait |
| 20:36.44 | pdr | blocking is not a real answer |
| 20:37.19 | eye69 | Guess I'll have to try some of the newer NFS features.. |
| 20:38.09 | pdr | or maybe coda |
| 20:39.03 | eye69 | For the single file app Coda might work, since I could easily move the shared over to the coda dir |
| 20:39.07 | eye69 | shared files even |
| 20:40.11 | pdr | it would be efficient enough? |
| 20:43.52 | pdr | bbiat |
| 20:44.56 | eye69 | http://tlf.cx/dearpenis.swf |
| 20:45.25 | formi | lorena bobbit site? |
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| 20:46.07 | dankolb | wb |
| 20:46.10 | pdr | :) |
| 20:46.46 | pdr | had to restart x to get middle mouse button working |
| 20:46.58 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:48.27 | pdr | this laptop is weird in that if you don't have a three-button mouse plugged in when X starts, the touchpad will go crazy, so i need to set X to use PS/2 not ImPS/2 unless I've got a three-button mouse to plug into it. |
| 20:48.45 | dankolb | That's not weird |
| 20:48.51 | pdr | no? |
| 20:49.03 | dankolb | That's normaly behaviour if you use the wrong protocol |
| 20:49.14 | dankolb | s/y// |
| 20:49.26 | dankolb | IMPS/2 is the wheel mouse, though, isn't it? |
| 20:49.30 | dankolb | Not just a 3-button mouse |
| 20:49.37 | pdr | yep |
| 20:49.58 | pdr | but if there's a scrolly mouse plugged in, the touchpad is quite fine talking that protocol too |
| 20:50.03 | dankolb | Yeah. So it's the wrong protocol |
| 20:50.08 | pdr | so i can use both |
| 20:50.30 | pdr | but if there's no scrolly mouse plugged in, the touchpad refuses to work with the extended proto |
| 20:51.05 | dankolb | Ah |
| 20:51.30 | pdr | that seems a bit weird to me |
| 20:53.22 | pdr | especially since i thougght that the imps/2 proto was downard compatible with ps/2 proto too... hmmm. |
| 20:56.56 | dankolb | Pass |
| 21:12.12 | Resudaed_Away | brb, leaving gnome, starting kde :) |
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| 21:13.54 | skugg | somebody change topic? it's a bit missleading :) |
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| 21:15.34 | resudaed | ah, a much nicer interface :-) |
| 21:15.51 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:15.56 | dankolb | Definitely |
| 21:16.02 | Resudaed | + I know where everything is |
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| 21:19.10 | dankolb | wb |
| 21:19.55 | dankolb | I'm going to reconnect |
| 21:19.57 | dankolb | BIAB |
| 21:20.00 | resudaed | ty |
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| 21:20.38 | resudaed | evening zimm |
| 21:20.46 | zimm | evening . |
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| 21:22.01 | Resudaed | wb dan |
| 21:24.14 | zimm | Resudaed: any progress on that 386 ? |
| 21:24.33 | Resudaed | not yet, about to get back in to it |
| 21:25.52 | dankolb | thanks |
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| 21:27.20 | unclex | bad luck formi |
| 21:27.58 | formi | yeap |
| 21:28.16 | formi | and i have just lost the ticket deal |
| 21:28.28 | formi | i'll have to phone the airline agency |
| 21:28.55 | unclex | VNC |
| 21:29.01 | unclex | that was it |
| 21:29.29 | formi | oh yeah |
| 21:29.47 | formi | i have use it in the past but i don't really like it |
| 21:30.39 | formi | im going to switch to andres computer, back in a moment |
| 21:30.56 | unclex | ok |
| 21:31.33 | unclex | we need to get that adsl connection to you house in the new year |
| 21:32.01 | formi | dont really need it |
| 21:32.39 | unclex | I just need to put the ant up |
| 21:33.00 | unclex | become another free2air |
| 21:37.56 | skugg | hm. |
| 21:38.40 | skugg | are my questions that terminally stupid? |
| 21:38.41 | dankolb | :-) |
| 21:38.47 | dankolb | Depends what sort of questions you ask |
| 21:39.11 | skugg | i asked this: |
| 21:39.19 | skugg | if i have an inode, and want to, say, truncate the file to half its size... can i just lock the inode, set ->i_size /= 2; unlock the inode and call iput()? |
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| 21:39.48 | dankolb | Ah. Don't know. Maybe they don't know the answer :) |
| 21:39.58 | its-formi | re |
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| 21:40.22 | skugg | hardly. riel and wli are there, and were discussing things just before. |
| 21:40.28 | Jenson | Hi skugg |
| 21:40.40 | skugg | hi jenson |
| 21:41.07 | *** mode/#gllug [+o highbury] by ChanServ |
| 21:41.25 | Jenson | Can you really be bothered skugg |
| 21:42.02 | *** topic/#gllug by highbury -> GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk |
| 21:42.20 | Jenson | I was going to point that out highbury, well done. |
| 21:43.43 | skugg | Jenson, that's why i'm contemplating it :P |
| 21:44.01 | skugg | if i knew whether i could be bothered i wouldn't think about it |
| 21:44.06 | skugg | :D |
| 21:44.12 | murb | it is cold outside. |
| 21:44.17 | Jenson | Yeah good point |
| 21:44.19 | Jenson | Hi murb |
| 21:44.24 | murb | it is cold inside as well. |
| 21:44.25 | dankolb | Hi Jenson |
| 21:44.25 | Jenson | Bloody freezing more like |
| 21:44.26 | skugg | murb, it is. |
| 21:44.35 | Jenson | Hey dankolb |
| 21:44.36 | its-formi | is there any news about the next meeting? |
| 21:44.36 | highbury | most people should understand that time wraps round, so it wasn't strictly incorrect |
| 21:44.50 | Jenson | Well yeah highbury |
| 21:45.14 | dankolb | its-formi: 18th Jan, apparently |
| 21:45.29 | Jenson | I really do hope to be there |
| 21:45.36 | skugg | highbury, bah. surely there's a meeting planned before 7th Dec 2003? |
| 21:45.39 | skugg | :) |
| 21:45.56 | dankolb | Jenson: You'd better be :-P |
| 21:46.06 | murb | what a meeting more oftern than once every 3 months? |
| 21:46.19 | dankolb | Yes. There was one last month. And the month before |
| 21:46.34 | murb | dankolb: but it didn't count 'cos i wasn't there. |
| 21:46.38 | skugg | murb, it's so us pooor geeks can get out a bit more |
| 21:46.45 | dankolb | :-) |
| 21:47.19 | skugg | i personally don't like going out on saturdays though, to much people out |
| 21:47.29 | skugg | much prefer earlier in the week |
| 21:47.36 | skugg | s,much,many, |
| 21:47.39 | dankolb | A Gllug on Tuesday afternoons? |
| 21:47.59 | skugg | dankolb, nah. in my dreams only. with the talks etc it's not going to happen |
| 21:48.08 | dankolb | :-) |
| 21:48.14 | its-formi | it depends on how warped you are 8-) |
| 21:48.36 | dankolb | Obviously :) |
| 21:50.06 | skugg | i believe some people travel quite a bit to get there, so it wouldn't be too popular to change it to a different day |
| 21:50.33 | skugg | damn. i'll go to the shop. got incredibly peckish suddenly |
| 21:50.34 | dankolb | Yeah. It takes me about an hour, give or take a bit |
| 21:50.47 | skugg | dankolb, same here. i live in north wembley |
| 21:50.47 | murb | skugg: well quite a few people go to lonix. |
| 21:51.02 | dankolb | I'm feeling a bit hungry too. |
| 21:51.07 | dankolb | Must not think about it |
| 21:51.15 | Jenson | Why has my decided to come in here to hoover whilst I'm here lol |
| 21:51.39 | dankolb | To see who's talking to you |
| 21:51.39 | skugg | murb, yeah, but imagine squeezing in 5-6 hours talks after work and before the pubs shut... |
| 21:51.46 | Jenson | lol dankolb |
| 21:51.57 | murb | skugg: some move to somwhere were the pubs don't close so early. |
| 21:51.58 | Resudaed | evennig Jenson |
| 21:52.10 | dankolb | Yeah. Have the meetings in Scotland :) |
| 21:52.19 | Jenson | He thinks the coating of dut I've been cultivating on the plugs for the last 2 years is a fire risk....I never should have started talking about firerisk |
| 21:52.22 | Jenson | Hey Resudaed |
| 21:52.37 | Jenson | s/dut/dust |
| 21:52.45 | Resudaed | it would seem the W3C is trying to force people into using CSS |
| 21:53.12 | skugg | Resudaed, not force, but forcefully suggest :) |
| 21:53.21 | dankolb | bwah. I don't want to learn CSS |
| 21:53.22 | Resudaed | no, outright force :-) |
| 21:53.36 | Resudaed | I know CSS, but it should be an optional extra, not a requirement |
| 21:53.48 | Jenson | Why am I still here when 3 others got booted out? |
| 21:53.56 | skugg | Resudaed, you don't have too. only if you want the features it offers. |
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| 21:54.12 | skugg | Jenson, who got booted out? |
| 21:54.14 | dankolb | Because you're on a different server |
| 21:54.14 | its-formi | bloody xp |
| 21:54.23 | Jenson | No dankolb same server |
| 21:54.37 | its-formi | i was bocking a flight and the bloody thing goes into hybernation mode |
| 21:54.48 | dankolb | Sure? It was calvino.freenode splitting from the rest of the network |
| 21:54.53 | Resudaed | ok, in the IMG tag, to remove border sometimes added by most browsers, you would use <IMG ... BORDER="0" |
| 21:54.59 | Jenson | Yeah dankolb I'm on that server |
| 21:55.02 | dankolb | Yes, Resudaed |
| 21:55.19 | Resudaed | border has been taken out of the 4.01 specifcations and is no-longer valid html |
| 21:55.41 | dankolb | Grrrr. |
| 21:55.48 | dankolb | Screwing up my nicely learned HTML |
| 21:56.01 | Resudaed | most browsers would still obey it, but you cannot call you html valid 4.01 |
| 21:56.16 | dankolb | ibot insult people who screw up the HTML spec |
| 21:56.39 | skugg | surely they're not changing the already defined standards, but taking it out of the new, updated standard? |
| 21:56.40 | Resudaed | the only way round it is by using CSS |
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| 21:57.26 | Resudaed | I think it's still in the old standards, but 4.01 is now pretty much main stream |
| 21:57.46 | skugg | Resudaed, as it should be. separate presentation from content. that you don't want borders around your pictures is part of the presentation and belongs in css. |
| 21:58.06 | skugg | Resudaed, html is dead anyway. use XHTML |
| 21:58.14 | Resudaed | so you reckon next they shouold take out the FTON tag? |
| 21:58.21 | Resudaed | ^FONT |
| 21:58.29 | skugg | Resudaed, definately. |
| 21:58.37 | skugg | (isn't it out already?) |
| 21:58.46 | dankolb | HTML is dead. Long live HTML |
| 21:58.52 | Resudaed | no idea, I favour CSS for fonts :-) |
| 21:59.09 | Resudaed | dankolb, was that not a contradiction? |
| 21:59.15 | Jenson | Don't kill HTML I can just about manage it lol |
| 21:59.39 | dankolb | The King is dead. Long live the Kingl |
| 21:59.57 | Resudaed | old skool |
| 22:00.28 | Jenson | Although I still know more HTML than anyone I know |
| 22:00.33 | Jenson | I'm just bloody lazy and stupid |
| 22:01.09 | Resudaed | Jenson, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.btinternet.com%2F%7Elita16%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=HTML+4.01+Strict |
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| 22:01.30 | Resudaed | that's a very long url, but should work |
| 22:02.03 | Jenson | Yeah it did |
| 22:02.03 | Jenson | ty |
| 22:02.11 | Resudaed | sorry :-) |
| 22:02.53 | skugg | http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xhtml1-20000126/ |
| 22:03.16 | Jenson | Well it only found 10 errors.......Nice to know Microsoft writes good accurate preograms |
| 22:03.42 | skugg | Jenson, *cough* |
| 22:03.50 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:04.06 | dankolb | And you write good accurate English here, Jenson |
| 22:04.17 | Jenson | dankolb: amen to fucking my english up |
| 22:04.26 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:04.28 | dankolb | Sorry. |
| 22:04.33 | Jenson | :D |
| 22:05.15 | Jenson | Yay I have another site with 77 errors |
| 22:05.42 | Resudaed | for a luagh, microsofts site had a few ... |
| 22:05.51 | Jenson | And another with 43 |
| 22:05.58 | Resudaed | no doctype so I ran it through as both HTML and XHTML |
| 22:06.24 | Jenson | Oh and another with 36 and there is like nothing on that one. |
| 22:07.05 | Resudaed | HTML had 137 errors, XHTML had 538 (guessing they were using HTML) |
| 22:07.20 | Resudaed | that's the example bill gates has set the world |
| 22:08.08 | Jenson | lmfao |
| 22:10.24 | andhw2 | . |
| 22:10.43 | Resudaed | wb formi |
| 22:10.46 | Resudaed | sort of |
| 22:11.27 | Resudaed | does anyone have a spare spacer (1x1 transparant gif)?? |
| 22:12.28 | Resudaed | I would do, but all I want is a 1 pixel gif, hardly worth installing the gimp for |
| 22:13.10 | its-formi | thanks |
| 22:13.24 | its-formi | i do have one |
| 22:13.26 | dankolb | Ah right |
| 22:13.49 | its-formi | but you will have to wait a bit |
| 22:14.03 | its-formi | i have to get back to my boxen |
| 22:14.12 | Resudaed | thanks |
| 22:14.25 | its-formi | brb |
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| 22:21.37 | Jenson | wb formi |
| 22:21.41 | formi | ta |
| 22:21.46 | Jenson | yw |
| 22:21.55 | formi | resudaed how do you want it? |
| 22:22.31 | Jenson | upside down, sideways, spoonfed? |
| 22:23.19 | Resudaed | not bothered, a uri will do |
| 22:23.27 | formi | ok |
| 22:23.33 | formi | let me upload i |
| 22:23.34 | formi | t |
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| 22:23.40 | Resudaed | thanks formi |
| 22:23.59 | zachary | good evening |
| 22:24.05 | Jenson | hey zachary |
| 22:24.10 | dankolb | Hi zachary |
| 22:24.26 | Resudaed | evening zachary |
| 22:26.25 | formi | http://www.its-formi.net/spacer.gif |
| 22:26.27 | zachary | anyone know when the next lonix meeting is |
| 22:26.39 | formi | missing the beer? |
| 22:27.12 | zachary | At least decent beer. :-) |
| 22:27.58 | Resudaed | thanks formi |
| 22:28.07 | formi | do you have it/ |
| 22:28.09 | formi | ? |
| 22:28.13 | Resudaed | nearlly ... |
| 22:28.30 | formi | because I can't see it, too small probably |
| 22:30.35 | Resudaed | got it |
| 22:31.25 | Resudaed | perfect, thanks |
| 22:31.44 | Resudaed | it's 43 bytes small |
| 22:32.08 | Resudaed | 42 of those are probably the file header :) |
| 22:32.21 | formi | hex it |
| 22:32.41 | Resudaed | I would do, but I havn't really got time |
| 22:33.25 | Jenson | Resudaed: Is another member of your family a programmer or a sys admin or anything coz you must have learnt all this from somewehre |
| 22:33.57 | dankolb | You can learn things without other family members |
| 22:34.17 | formi | interfiering with you |
| 22:34.36 | Resudaed | Jenson, nope, I've been learning things my way for 2 years, still not that much learnt though |
| 22:35.31 | Jenson | Resudaed: I learnt to use Windows at an above average level and then I stopped learning. Now I'm clever than the average user and stupid compared to the geeks so I'm kind of stuck in the middle |
| 22:36.03 | Resudaed | I still no very little compared to most of the people even in this room |
| 22:36.09 | Resudaed | s/no/know |
| 22:36.12 | dankolb | I often feel that way too. |
| 22:36.26 | dankolb | But we all know something more than others |
| 22:36.27 | Jenson | I always feel that way when I'm herwe |
| 22:36.39 | Resudaed | most of my questions end up being answered by man pages :-) |
| 22:36.48 | Jenson | And if I take my feet of the ddesk I might be able to reach the keyboard to type properly |
| 22:37.13 | Jenson | Most of my questions get answered by Leeds. |
| 22:37.21 | dankolb | Resudaed: That might be true |
| 22:37.41 | Jenson | Although I'm not trying to do anything clever with Slack anymore....just playing KDE Patience and KBall |
| 22:37.45 | dankolb | But it's nicer asking someone else |
| 22:38.01 | Jenson | And asking is an excuse to be here |
| 22:38.08 | dankolb | Hehe. |
| 22:38.16 | dankolb | Rather than just enjoying the company? |
| 22:38.41 | Jenson | No I meant an excuse to parents if they ask |
| 22:38.46 | Jenson | Mind you they've given up now. |
| 22:38.51 | dankolb | <g> |
| 22:39.01 | dankolb | Rather than, talking to friends? |
| 22:39.01 | Jenson | My mother didn't even say anything about me going to bed at 1:45 last night |
| 22:39.04 | Jenson | they seem to have grown out of it |
| 22:39.05 | dankolb | Hehe |
| 22:39.17 | dankolb | Was she up at that time still? |
| 22:39.36 | Jenson | No, she saw the lights on, she probably was awake...she doesn't always sleep well |
| 22:40.05 | dankolb | Ah |
| 22:40.06 | Resudaed | jenson, you using slack in the first place, that put's you *way* above the everage windows user |
| 22:40.19 | Jenson | I'm not quite using it. |
| 22:40.29 | Resudaed | playing games on kde is using it |
| 22:40.34 | formi | missusing it |
| 22:40.40 | Jenson | Well yeah formi |
| 22:40.49 | Jenson | I misuse Windows and DOS on a regular basis |
| 22:40.51 | Jenson | Like right now |
| 22:40.52 | Resudaed | :-) formi doesn't like games, too much fun |
| 22:41.15 | Jenson | I'm glad that I've got a different error message on my FD now |
| 22:41.17 | Resudaed | the biggest misuse of windows/dos is installing it |
| 22:41.19 | formi | well im actually downloading sinclear emulators |
| 22:41.20 | Jenson | I got bored of the old one. |
| 22:41.31 | formi | anybody got any games? |
| 22:41.50 | Resudaed | moonbuggy rocks |
| 22:41.56 | Jenson | The message I like the best today was 'Can't access (filename) Don't know why, sorry' |
| 22:42.02 | Resudaed | seriously simpl, and even more addictive |
| 22:42.05 | formi | where do i get them? |
| 22:42.19 | Resudaed | google |
| 22:42.33 | formi | are they free? |
| 22:42.46 | Resudaed | depends on how much game you want |
| 22:42.50 | formi | or do i have to get cracked stuff? |
| 22:43.14 | Resudaed | simple ones are free |
| 22:43.28 | Jenson | I finally have over 1MB of Notepad files....I really musn't save so much crap in Notepad |
| 22:43.44 | Resudaed | beyond that, you are limited to those that have been ported |
| 22:44.09 | Resudaed | Jenson, I used to have individual notepad files over 1MB |
| 22:44.16 | formi | any good site to have a peak at? |
| 22:44.44 | Resudaed | formi, not off the top of my head, but just search for linux games, or try sourceforge |
| 22:45.04 | highbury | Jenson: I'd strongly recommend "Net Snippets" to store info |
| 22:45.14 | highbury | unfortunately its only a windows app |
| 22:45.23 | Jenson | highbury: Most of what I've stored I don't need. |
| 22:45.28 | Jenson | I'm using Win |
| 22:45.50 | dankolb | highbury: Runs under Wine |
| 22:46.07 | Jenson | All I can do with Slack is play games.....I see that as a good alternative to bothering to make it work properly for at least a few days <g> |
| 22:46.23 | Jenson | Yeah dankolb but you need to have Wine then. |
| 22:46.28 | highbury | cool, unfortunately it doesn't integrate with Mozilla, its only an IE plugin |
| 22:46.28 | dankolb | Easy to install |
| 22:46.44 | dankolb | Games are the best way of playing with a new OS |
| 22:46.59 | highbury | My Brother is their Marketting Director |
| 22:47.01 | zimm | gltron rocks ! |
| 22:47.36 | Jenson | Games was what I did when I first met Win (and DOS a little later when Doom was released), and when I first met Mac OS 10 so it makes sense |
| 22:48.11 | formi | the last game appart from nibbles on my phone that i played was quake 1 |
| 22:48.36 | Jenson | I like quake 1 |
| 22:48.50 | Jenson | Altohugh neither of my win machines run it properly anymore |
| 22:49.15 | formi | and that was way back |
| 22:51.22 | Jenson | Shit why can't I find that CD I wrote for someone yesterday |
| 22:51.46 | Resudaed | because you're extremely disorganised like the rest of us |
| 22:51.59 | Jenson | Could be that |
| 22:52.04 | Jenson | It was on the CD rack lol |
| 22:52.32 | Resudaed | I need inspiration for my site content, can't think of anything to put up :-) |
| 22:52.53 | Jenson | You can inspire yourself from my sites if I give you the URLs |
| 22:53.16 | Resudaed | ok |
| 22:53.52 | Resudaed | inspiration would be a good thing, yet again I have created a great framwork for a site, but have no content |
| 22:54.08 | Jenson | http://www.gurlpages.com/marxist |
| 22:54.10 | Jenson | not much on there |
| 22:54.18 | Jenson | http://www.geocities.com/aerobeki |
| 22:54.22 | Jenson | my old personal site |
| 22:54.35 | Jenson | http://www.geocities.com/kehleyrscastle |
| 22:54.41 | Jenson | another old personal site |
| 22:54.52 | Jenson | http://www.btinternet.com/~lita16 |
| 22:55.04 | Jenson | my homepage on whcih i need to sort out the graphics |
| 22:55.21 | Jenson | I'm sure there are others too but I've forgotten the, |
| 22:55.26 | Jenson | ^them |
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| 22:56.54 | Jenson | wb zimm mate |
| 22:57.14 | zimm | :-) |
| 22:57.42 | Jenson | You have broadband? |
| 22:57.46 | zimm | ish |
| 22:57.58 | zimm | 128k , when it feels like it |
| 22:58.26 | Jenson | I get 48k when my dialup feels like it so broadband is an improvemtn on that |
| 22:58.35 | Jenson | Why didn't you get 128k ISDN? |
| 22:58.58 | zimm | its noyt my house .. the landlord already had cable TV |
| 22:59.02 | dankolb | ISDN is expensive |
| 22:59.17 | Resudaed | when I'm earning, I'm looking at T3 |
| 22:59.55 | dankolb | zimm: Definitely |
| 23:00.07 | zimm | aye.. |
| 23:00.16 | zimm | just stupid uni admin to put up with .. |
| 23:00.17 | Jenson | I want cable |
| 23:00.27 | Jenson | 500kb nice |
| 23:00.27 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:00.37 | zimm | heh .. we used to get triple that ,, |
| 23:00.47 | Jenson | I was pleased when I got BT dialup that sometimes manages 7k |
| 23:01.04 | Jenson | I usually get 3 or 4k mind you |
| 23:01.15 | dankolb | We had 10Mbit in rooms, but I had a firewall that limited to about 6Mbit |
| 23:01.16 | Jenson | Haven't got 7k for a long long time |
| 23:01.44 | Resudaed | I am happy when BY reaches 61.8k (only in the early hours of the morning) |
| 23:01.59 | zimm | dankolb: which Uni ? |
| 23:02.09 | Resudaed | (kB) |
| 23:02.09 | dankolb | Oxford |
| 23:02.24 | Jenson | You went to Oxford? |
| 23:02.35 | dankolb | I did |
| 23:02.41 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:02.53 | zimm | Oxford told me to piss off ! |
| 23:03.33 | Resudaed | :-) jenson |
| 23:04.10 | Jenson | I have a mate who should get into Cambridge......she hates the idea of Oxford mind you.....she's the only clever one among us. |
| 23:04.23 | dankolb | Yeah, well, the less said about the Tabs, the better |
| 23:04.32 | Jenson | You'd like her dankolb she speaks English properly |
| 23:04.50 | dankolb | Most people do |
| 23:05.22 | Resudaed | and damn proud |
| 23:05.40 | skugg | never tried it before |
| 23:05.52 | Resudaed | I don't even know what it is |
| 23:06.04 | Jenson | I used to speak English properly, but the internet and chat and spellchckers corrupeted me |
| 23:06.13 | skugg | Resudaed, i heard about it from leeds (i think) not long ago |
| 23:06.25 | zimm | when you start "saying" LOL ,, its time to quit |
| 23:06.36 | Resudaed | skugg, what is it ? :) |
| 23:06.50 | Jenson | I used to say it zimm.....for quite a while and then I stopped thank god |
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| 23:07.12 | Resudaed | evening spud |
| 23:07.19 | Jenson | i'll take you up on that at a meet sometime dankolb |
| 23:07.22 | Jenson | Hey spud |
| 23:07.25 | dankolb | Okay |
| 23:07.27 | dankolb | You're on |
| 23:07.39 | SpudUAway | Hi guys. |
| 23:08.02 | dankolb | Hi SpudULike |
| 23:08.12 | zachary | hi SpudULike |
| 23:09.11 | SpudULike | Damn, I always miss the best bits. I have to ask - on what - "<Jenson> i'll take you up on that at a meet sometime dankolb"! |
| 23:09.20 | skugg | Resudaed, it's a text-based dungeon game :) |
| 23:09.30 | dankolb | SpudULike: Speech |
| 23:09.36 | dankolb | Or rather, speech impediments |
| 23:09.53 | Jenson | SpudULike: I challenged him that I can speak in a more common accent that what he can |
| 23:09.57 | Jenson | And he knows I can |
| 23:10.03 | Jenson | Afterall he went to Oxford |
| 23:10.42 | Resudaed | why the hell was that /me |
| 23:11.03 | Resudaed | s/resudaed/ |
| 23:11.29 | Jenson | God knows Resudaed |
| 23:11.48 | Resudaed | the heating's on too high in here, is affecting me |
| 23:12.22 | SpudULike | dank and Jenson - I suppose that really comes down to your definition of common, don't it guv'? |
| 23:12.39 | Resudaed | I can't typ proprly anyor jnson |
| 23:12.59 | dankolb | It do |
| 23:13.02 | Jenson | lol SpudULike I'm more common than him |
| 23:13.10 | dankolb | # Common people |
| 23:13.16 | Jenson | Try all ya like dankolb aint gonna work mate |
| 23:13.21 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:17.02 | dankolb | Yes |
| 23:17.23 | Tarragon | no |
| 23:17.38 | Jenson | Well Tarragon trust you not to be scared of me :P |
| 23:17.44 | Jenson | And good evening |
| 23:18.01 | formi | i shall not comment |
| 23:18.54 | Resudaed | typing with toung and without thos buttons is vry difficult |
| 23:19.40 | Jenson | well I'm not going to stop you using your tounge Resudaed coz I can't think of a good way to do that |
| 23:19.54 | dankolb | Duct tape his mouth shut |
| 23:19.55 | dankolb | Simple |
| 23:20.09 | Resudaed | Jenson, you never heard of gagging someone? |
| 23:20.22 | Jenson | Yeah, actually |
| 23:20.28 | Jenson | But it didn't occur to me |
| 23:20.58 | formi | so you haven't done it? |
| 23:21.14 | Jenson | No |
| 23:21.21 | formi | good girl |
| 23:21.46 | Tarragon | zimm: Google - copy and paste |
| 23:21.54 | Jenson | By not chatting zimm |
| 23:21.55 | zimm | Tarragon: aye :-) |
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| 23:22.38 | dankolb_ | Always when the conversation gets interesting. |
| 23:22.41 | dankolb_ | Bloody disconnects |
| 23:22.48 | zimm | Jenson: im currently watching one of the two films i have to review |
| 23:23.01 | Jenson | And chatting |
| 23:23.04 | Tarragon | What are the two films? |
| 23:23.08 | zimm | well , yeh , that too |
| 23:23.11 | Jenson | How old are you anyway zimm? |
| 23:23.36 | zimm | Tarragon: "A matter of life and death" (1947 starts david niven) , and the matrix |
| 23:23.43 | zimm | Jenson: 24 |
| 23:24.09 | Jenson | Damn that still makes me one of the youngest |
| 23:24.17 | dankolb_ | Yes. |
| 23:24.20 | formi | well guys |
| 23:24.21 | dankolb_ | The baby of the channel |
| 23:24.29 | Jenson | baby lol |
| 23:24.29 | formi | im disconnecting |
| 23:24.34 | Jenson | babe more like.....just kidding |
| 23:24.36 | zimm | Jenson: how old are you then ? |
| 23:24.36 | dankolb_ | C'ya formi |
| 23:24.39 | Jenson | See ya formi |
| 23:24.42 | Jenson | 18 zimm |
| 23:24.44 | formi | root@dp:~# uptime |
| 23:24.44 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.44 | formi | root@dp:~# |
| 23:24.45 | dankolb_ | Token babe |
| 23:24.47 | Tarragon | A matter of life and death - very moving is that the one with the stairway at the end? |
| 23:24.49 | zimm | laters formi |
| 23:24.54 | formi | enough is enough |
| 23:24.57 | Resudaed | zimm, she's even younger than me :-) |
| 23:25.00 | zimm | Tarragon: yup , thats the one |
| 23:25.06 | Resudaed | night formi |
| 23:25.14 | formi | good night |
| 23:25.18 | Jenson | Yeah Resudaed but we don't have to tell everyone that |
| 23:25.59 | Resudaed | zimm is everyone ?? |
| 23:26.16 | Jenson | No not everyone, just everyone who was looking |
| 23:26.28 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 23:27.09 | Jenson | Well it's time for me to get going. |
| 23:27.14 | Resudaed | :-) sry jenson, didn't mean to cause offence |
| 23:27.17 | Tarragon | A matter of life and death(amolad) forerunner of TV's Quantum Leap" |
| 23:27.32 | Jenson | Resudaed: Don't worry, you didn't |
| 23:27.39 | Tarragon | Past your bedtime young 'uns |
| 23:28.11 | Jenson | Tarragon: No not really |
| 23:28.28 | Jenson | Ah you going to sleep tonight Tarragon? |
| 23:28.50 | Tarragon | Yes you have school in th emorning and you know how you are aways grumpy if you don't get all your sleep. |
| 23:28.53 | Jenson | s/Ah/are |
| 23:29.03 | Jenson | I got out of bed at 12:15 today |
| 23:29.06 | Jenson | I'm not tired |
| 23:29.17 | Jenson | Mind you I did go to bed at about 2am the ladt 3 days |
| 23:29.42 | Tarragon | No - Working. Here or using a Mac all night |
| 23:29.56 | Jenson | What did happen zimm? |
| 23:30.10 | Jenson | Tarragon: At least you can work at times when no-one pisses you off. |
| 23:30.20 | zimm | Jenson: i have no idea ,, but it involved alcohol , a mobile phone and a smoke .. |
| 23:30.36 | Tarragon | zimm: in amolad is conductor 71 a forerunner of Al in quantum leap? |
| 23:30.43 | Jenson | zimm: Best to try and find out methinks |
| 23:31.28 | zimm | Tarragon: kinda , if you want to exlore the quantum leap link .. |
| 23:31.29 | Tarragon | Ah no-one normal admittedly. Still get occasional call from overseas. |
| 23:31.41 | Jenson | Better go before BT disconnects me |
| 23:31.50 | Jenson | No-one normal...that wouldn't include us lot then |
| 23:31.53 | Tarragon | Your essays - just trying to think of padding |
| 23:31.58 | Jenson | See ya tomorrow guys |
| 23:32.03 | zimm | laters Jenson |
| 23:32.06 | dankolb_ | C'ya Jenson |
| 23:32.19 | Jenson | later zimm |
| 23:32.24 | Jenson | later Tarragon |
| 23:32.30 | zimm | Tarragon: padding i can do ,, its starting the damn things i have trouble wiith |
| 23:32.44 | *** part/#gllug Jenson (Jenson@host213-122-242-13.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:33.15 | zimm | have to try and relate it all to palto too , which makes it trickier |
| 23:33.23 | zimm | palto>palto |
| 23:33.27 | zimm | dammit |
| 23:33.32 | zimm | Plato |
| 23:38.00 | Resudaed | another HTML 4.01 change, there is no attribute called 'width' or 'height' in TD |
| 23:38.36 | dankolb_ | Waaa. |
| 23:38.40 | dankolb_ | They're screwing up HTML |
| 23:39.07 | Resudaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.23 | Resudaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.35 | Resudaed | (that was line 16) |
| 23:39.50 | skugg | damn, is that arachnaphobia on bbc1? |
| 23:40.40 | Resudaed | unless there is some major error in the above line 16, HTML is now well and truley screwed up |
| 23:40.40 | skugg | i cannot come up with anything i despise more :/ |
| 23:40.52 | dankolb_ | Resudaed: It's screwed up |
| 23:41.03 | dankolb_ | skugg: People who attach Word .DOCs to emails? |
| 23:41.12 | Resudaed | that line is fin isn't it, it's not just my coding |
| 23:41.18 | Resudaed | ^fine |
| 23:41.43 | dankolb_ | Looks fine to me |
| 23:41.47 | dankolb_ | Use the HTML 3.2 spec |
| 23:41.49 | skugg | dankolb_, no. i can filter them out with procmail. procmail doesn't support filtering out spiders yet |
| 23:41.57 | dankolb_ | Ahh |
| 23:43.27 | Tarragon | Why relate the films to Plato? |
| 23:44.45 | zimm | Tarragon: lol , cos im doing a philosophy degree |
| 23:45.01 | dankolb_ | Hehe |
| 23:45.15 | dankolb_ | I have a friend who's doing Philosophy |
| 23:45.44 | Resudaed | almost everything I know as HTML has been deprected in to CSS |
| 23:45.45 | dankolb_ | Where are you doing phil? |
| 23:46.00 | skugg | damn. my tv remote just called it a day. |
| 23:46.02 | zimm | dankolb_: lol , greenwich .. (dont laugh) |
| 23:46.17 | skugg | no more teletext then i guess. |
| 23:46.19 | dankolb_ | Ah. Okay :) |
| 23:46.26 | dankolb_ | skugg: But there's 8 minutes left of the dat |
| 23:46.26 | dankolb_ | *day |
| 23:46.42 | dankolb_ | zimm: Friend who's doing phil is at UCL |
| 23:46.57 | zimm | dankolb_: cool , |
| 23:47.09 | skugg | dankolb_, yep. it refuses to work though. i've tried changing the batteries etc, but to no avail |
| 23:47.27 | dankolb_ | Ahh |
| 23:47.33 | zimm | dankolb_: I was at keele last year ,, but transferred cos the course was shit , and Stoke On Trent isnt the most inspiring of places |
| 23:47.47 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 23:47.51 | skugg | what's even worse is that the buttons on the actual tv to change channels are broken as well... have to poke into the tv with a screwdriver to change channels |
| 23:48.01 | skugg | not good |
| 23:48.24 | dankolb_ | As long as it's not tuned to ITV, you should be able to cope |
| 23:48.59 | skugg | what's to watch on itv? star trek is on bbc2, that's about the only thing i watch... |
| 23:49.09 | skugg | and simpsons |
| 23:49.14 | dankolb_ | That's what I meant. |
| 23:49.20 | dankolb_ | As long as it's *not* tuned to ITV |
| 23:49.27 | skugg | ah, i see |
| 23:49.28 | dankolb_ | Oh, and Enterprise is on Ch4 |
| 23:49.28 | skugg | :) |
| 23:49.58 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 23:50.12 | dankolb_ | Maybe they have them at Reading University |
| 23:50.15 | dankolb_ | *groan* |
| 23:50.21 | skugg | :D |
| 23:50.29 | skugg | all time low here now :P |
| 23:50.39 | zimm | the oxford wit strikes again |
| 23:50.43 | dankolb_ | No no. That's when Jenson's here |
| 23:50.51 | dankolb_ | I just give the bad jokes |
| 23:51.17 | dankolb_ | I have the best to learn from |
| 23:58.25 | zimm | anyone on ext3 ? and if so ,, which mode gets the vote ? ordered ? journal ? writeback ? |
| 23:59.20 | skugg | zimm, i'm on ext3. i'm using whatever is the default mode when created with -j :P |
| 23:59.22 | dankolb_ | Yes, and don't know |
| 23:59.28 | dankolb_ | wot skugg sed |
| 23:59.36 | zimm | heh , fairy nuff |
| 23:59.43 | zimm | ordered is default |
| 23:59.52 | skugg | i see. |
