| 00:00.09 | murb | hi Jenson |
| 00:00.13 | Jenson | hi murb |
| 00:00.59 | Jenson | hey davilion |
| 00:02.04 | Jenson | Well it's very quiet in here tonight |
| 00:02.35 | Jenson | How are you murb? |
| 00:06.37 | murb | fine other than a cold and a possible lack of job. |
| 00:06.48 | Jenson | awwwwwww poor you |
| 00:07.12 | Jenson | what job do you do anyway? |
| 00:07.23 | davilion | hi Jenson |
| 00:07.31 | davilion | hows it going? |
| 00:07.43 | Jenson | hey davilion |
| 00:08.49 | Jenson | I'm fine ty |
| 00:08.52 | Jenson | you? |
| 00:10.08 | murb | generic sysadmin stuff, and previously a lot of it in .LU |
| 00:12.24 | davilion | Jenson: im ok a bit fed up though |
| 00:12.34 | davilion | and my machine is being really crap today, very slow. |
| 00:13.12 | murb | any plans for tomorrow? |
| 00:13.18 | murb | s/tomorrow/lattertoday?/ |
| 00:14.19 | Jenson | Bring Christmas tree in house, get hay for horse, revise for exams, chat, sleep. try not to have a hangover |
| 00:15.39 | Jenson | you? |
| 00:16.57 | Jenson | ^mate |
| 00:27.11 | cupis | Zzzzzz |
| 00:27.16 | cupis | :) |
| 00:27.42 | Jenson | Oh hey cupis |
| 00:27.56 | cupis | Hi Jenson |
| 00:28.04 | cupis | feeling better tonight? |
| 00:28.19 | Jenson | I'm ok, a little drunk though |
| 00:28.22 | Jenson | How are you? |
| 00:28.41 | cupis | I'm okay. Stone sober :( |
| 00:28.57 | Jenson | Probably more sensible |
| 00:29.17 | cupis | I must start my Chistmas shopping tomorrow. Can't put it off much longer :) |
| 00:30.04 | Jenson | I finished mine of Friday |
| 00:30.09 | Jenson | Started it on thursday lol |
| 00:31.14 | cupis | He. Well hopefully I don't have many to get, so should be able to get it done in a couple of visits. |
| 00:31.29 | cupis | Got some to send to Scotland, so better buy those tomorrow, or they won't make it in time. |
| 00:31.38 | Jenson | Yeah good idea |
| 00:31.47 | Jenson | Christmas shopping is a pain |
| 00:33.23 | cupis | Weren't you a little drunk yesterday as well? Or am I mis-remembering? |
| 00:34.07 | cupis | Maybe you were just tired, I don't know. |
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| 00:34.21 | Jenson | I was tired yesterday yeah, not drunk |
| 00:34.37 | cupis | oh, my mistake. sorry. |
| 00:34.40 | Jenson | I don't drink all that often |
| 00:34.41 | cupis | What exams are you revising for? |
| 00:34.50 | Jenson | History and Geography AS |
| 00:35.39 | cupis | humanties, ewww. |
| 00:35.54 | murb | 1st, or 2nd year? |
| 00:36.21 | Jenson | 1st |
| 00:36.27 | Jenson | I'm actually in 2nd year |
| 00:36.38 | Jenson | but I'm leaving coz of shit with pamnic attakcs |
| 00:36.48 | Jenson | and going back in september |
| 00:37.09 | cupis | Where are you studying? |
| 00:37.42 | Jenson | At school |
| 00:40.14 | zachary | how is everyone tonight? |
| 00:40.21 | Jenson | Ok, you? |
| 00:40.31 | zachary | pretty good. |
| 00:41.01 | Jenson | Oh good |
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| 00:44.04 | Jenson | wb cupi |
| 00:44.05 | Jenson | s |
| 00:44.17 | cupis_ | thanks |
| 00:44.37 | Jenson | yw |
| 01:26.18 | Jenson | Well I better be going to bed. |
| 01:26.25 | Jenson | Night to whoever is still awake. |
| 01:26.33 | cupis | me too |
| 01:26.39 | cupis | night Jenson |
| 01:26.56 | Jenson | night cupis, sleep well |
| 01:26.58 | eye69 | I'm off |
| 01:27.11 | eye69 | The sofa's calling me |
| 01:27.23 | Jenson | Bye eye69 |
| 01:27.51 | Jenson | bye davilion |
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| 01:30.14 | Jenson | hi zimm |
| 01:30.24 | zimm | hi Jenson |
| 01:30.32 | zimm | quiet tonight innit ? |
| 01:30.41 | Jenson | yeH |
| 01:30.48 | Jenson | yeah |
| 01:30.52 | Jenson | damn caps key lol |
| 01:31.03 | zimm | lol |
| 01:34.35 | Jenson | lol oopsies |
| 01:36.08 | zimm | I really ought to give up drinking , i never liked it , and was always crap at it .. |
| 01:36.29 | Jenson | awwwwwww....... |
| 01:36.48 | zimm | heh |
| 01:37.03 | zimm | its true though .. |
| 01:37.29 | zimm | but when you dont do dfrugs , and you dont drink , life gets a bit boring .. |
| 01:37.49 | Jenson | you do drugs? |
| 01:37.56 | zimm | no .. |
| 01:37.59 | zimm | gave up .. |
| 01:38.47 | zimm | unfortunatly , this didnt make drinking any more fun .. |
| 01:39.16 | Jenson | wht drugs did you used to f |
| 01:39.22 | Jenson | ^do |
| 01:39.25 | zimm | nosy arent we ? |
| 01:39.28 | zimm | heh |
| 01:39.44 | Jenson | yeah |
| 01:40.27 | zimm | weed ,, speed , ecstacy , coke , acid , mushrooms , ketamine , .. err .. if it wasnt heroin , i took it |
| 01:40.37 | zimm | lol |
| 01:40.41 | Jenson | lol |
| 01:40.46 | zimm | that sounds really bad doesnt it |
| 01:40.53 | Jenson | no |
| 01:42.02 | zimm | no ? , you surprise me , (but then for all I know you're a junky) |
| 01:42.12 | Jenson | no i'm not |
| 01:42.22 | zimm | hehe .. |
| 01:42.34 | Jenson | i'm a goth, bisexual and a communist. pretty openminded |
| 01:42.54 | zimm | lol , ok then .. |
| 01:43.21 | zimm | im a hippy raver .. ex-communist (waste of time ,) |
| 01:43.32 | zimm | actually im an ex-everything |
| 01:44.36 | Jenson | lol |
| 01:45.31 | zimm | you do drugs then ?? (got to ask now) |
| 01:45.35 | Jenson | no |
| 01:45.48 | zimm | thats cool . |
| 01:46.03 | Jenson | i would if i felt like it though |
| 01:46.06 | zimm | makes you the first goth ive *met* that didnt .. |
| 01:52.13 | davilion | zimm: heh |
| 01:54.59 | zimm | scared her off i think , lol |
| 01:55.57 | Jenson | what? |
| 01:56.00 | Jenson | I'm on the phone |
| 01:56.31 | Jenson | getting accused of ignoring the person im talking to |
| 01:56.43 | davilion | some twonkle is settiong fireworks off outside |
| 01:57.07 | davilion | right im off to bed, |
| 01:57.10 | davilion | night |
| 01:58.36 | davilion | erm ok its gunshots not fireworks |
| 01:58.51 | zimm | scary ! |
| 01:59.39 | zimm | davilion: where do you live (just so i remember not to go there) |
| 01:59.43 | davilion | its quite a nice area here, but down by the railway its pretty rough. |
| 01:59.48 | davilion | zimm: leamington spa |
| 01:59.50 | davilion | its actually really nice |
| 01:59.58 | davilion | but theres one really bad part apparently |
| 02:00.01 | zimm | yeh man , i know leamington .. |
| 02:00.04 | davilion | which isnt all that bad most of the tmie |
| 02:00.19 | davilion | but somebody here has a gun, because ther whole place was shut off last weekend because somebody was shot |
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| 02:03.59 | zachary | hi formi |
| 02:04.04 | its-formi | .[3~hello |
| 02:04.30 | its-formi | wht |
| 02:04.44 | zachary | having problems? |
| 02:04.47 | its-formi | what's up a t thish time of the night? |
| 02:05.18 | its-formi | yeap, using freebsd to connect to t a lnux box |
| 02:05.40 | its-formi | and the keymap s a bit screwed |
| 02:05.40 | zachary | transfering ogg's |
| 02:06.04 | zachary | I was starting to think that you just got back from a pub. |
| 02:06.23 | its-formi | building a freebsd kernel on a p100 wiht 24m of memory |
| 02:06.37 | its-formi | wich takes time |
| 02:07.13 | zachary | gee, you think:-) |
| 02:07.23 | its-formi | i just hope i did select the right opeitins |
| 02:07.29 | its-formi | options |
| 02:07.46 | its-formi | and i don't have to start from scractch again |
| 02:08.13 | its-formi | wouldnt it be a bit late to be returning form the pub? |
| 02:08.53 | zachary | depending on which pub and mode of transportation |
| 02:09.25 | its-formi | t |
| 02:09.47 | its-formi | 3 hours can take to walk form vausxhall to my house |
| 02:09.56 | its-formi | vauxhall i meant |
| 02:34.01 | its-formi | aa/qi |
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| 06:12.25 | ram | hello |
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| 12:43.37 | formi | aha |
| 12:43.49 | zachary | hi formi |
| 12:44.11 | formi | getting up early again |
| 12:45.04 | zachary | ? |
| 12:45.49 | formi | you went to bed late last night |
| 12:46.08 | zachary | yea, about 3. |
| 12:47.05 | zachary | actually my daughter is getting back on schedule. |
| 12:47.21 | formi | better than an alarm clock |
| 12:47.22 | zachary | she is at least sleeping through the night. |
| 12:48.13 | formi | just remenber many moons ago somebody had to deal with you |
| 12:49.36 | zachary | Yes, and I'm still apologizing to my parents. |
| 12:49.38 | quinophex | the wolves looked after me in the jungle |
| 12:50.09 | zachary | quinophex: That explains so much! :-) |
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| 14:23.25 | mazogs | hi all |
| 14:23.32 | formi | hi juan |
| 14:23.54 | mazogs | juan? |
| 14:24.07 | formi | --> mazogs (~juan@host213-123-18-125.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #gllug |
| 14:24.19 | formi | not your machine then? |
| 14:24.50 | mazogs | oh i see, this computer is not mine, but of a friend called Juan.. |
| 14:25.10 | mazogs | my real name is Carlos |
| 14:25.23 | formi | anyway welcome if it is your first time |
| 14:26.11 | mazogs | well my first time was yesterday night, thank you anyway |
| 14:26.38 | formi | i logged in late, 3am |
| 14:27.08 | mazogs | i was already sleeping by that time |
| 14:27.24 | formi | it happens to some people |
| 14:27.33 | formi | where are you from mate? |
| 14:27.57 | mazogs | i'm spanish, i am in London for just a week now |
| 14:28.13 | mazogs | i hurried to search for a lug here |
| 14:28.15 | formi | where are you from exactly mate? |
| 14:28.27 | eye69 | mazogs: You've found one |
| 14:28.34 | mazogs | Valencia |
| 14:28.41 | formi | hi eye69 |
| 14:28.49 | mazogs | eye69: yes, a great one! |
| 14:28.58 | eye69 | Hiya formi |
| 14:28.58 | eye69 | How's life? |
| 14:29.00 | formi | so enjoying the weather |
| 14:29.08 | formi | compiling freebsd |
| 14:29.18 | eye69 | Ahh |
| 14:29.23 | formi | i was given a laptop, p100, with 24m ram |
| 14:29.36 | formi | but i have a nagging problem |
| 14:29.55 | formi | its compiling stuff that is not on the conf file |
| 14:30.02 | eye69 | Hmmm |
| 14:30.20 | formi | and the "new way" is not working |
| 14:30.48 | formi | /usr/src: make buildkernel KERNCONF=FORMI |
| 14:31.09 | formi | spits don't know how to make buildkernel |
| 14:32.48 | formi | back in 5 min |
| 14:49.09 | formi | im back |
| 14:49.33 | formi | nice to see that you respect my absence by being silent |
| 14:49.49 | mazogs | of course |
| 14:50.08 | mazogs | i don't use to talk alone :-) |
| 14:50.36 | formi | eye69: do you know what is all this netgraph modules in the kernel? |
| 14:50.52 | eye69 | In fbsd? |
| 14:50.56 | formi | yeap |
| 14:51.01 | eye69 | Sorry...haven't done all that much with *BSD |
| 14:51.20 | formi | is dank still at work? |
| 14:51.22 | eye69 | Ran it as a router on an old 486 a few years back... |
| 14:51.42 | formi | that is overdoing it a bit |
| 14:52.50 | formi | hope the laptop doesn't burn is running really hot |
| 14:54.32 | eye69 | formi: Nah...worked fine |
| 14:55.07 | formi | that is overdoing it a bit: I meant dank working on sunday |
| 14:55.11 | eye69 | Old laptops always feel like they're going to burn |
| 14:55.15 | eye69 | Oh |
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| 15:04.09 | formi | hi leeds |
| 15:05.24 | Leeds | hi |
| 15:05.58 | formi | i haven't seen much of you lately around here |
| 15:06.06 | Leeds | been busy |
| 15:06.28 | formi | studying? |
| 15:07.54 | Leeds | working and Limmuding |
| 15:08.43 | formi | work, the sin of men |
| 15:09.28 | Leeds | pays the bills... |
| 15:09.51 | formi | well, what can I say |
| 15:12.52 | mazogs | i'm going to have a walk before it turn dark |
| 15:13.06 | mazogs | bye |
| 15:13.10 | formi | see ya |
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| 15:15.42 | Leeds | pays the bills enough for me to do charity work the rest of the time... happy? :-) |
| 15:16.49 | formi | well im a charitable person, what can you offer? |
| 15:17.34 | Leeds | ? |
| 15:18.19 | formi | im a person in need of charity, i meant |
| 15:18.40 | Leeds | do you have formal charitable status? |
| 15:19.15 | formi | no, but the charity i volunteer for has |
| 15:19.48 | Leeds | so does the charity I volunteer for... |
| 15:19.57 | Leeds | and the charities I donate to... |
| 15:20.27 | formi | nevermind |
| 15:59.51 | eye69 | Hello again |
| 16:00.21 | eye69 | Just sprinkled some carpet freshener....damn carpets |
| 16:00.28 | eye69 | Ah well...a good excuse to IRC for a bit |
| 16:04.08 | formi | im seeing something odd with named |
| 16:04.28 | formi | nslookup tp returns 10.0.0.191 fine |
| 16:04.39 | formi | nslookup bsd fails |
| 16:04.58 | formi | nslookup bsd.localdomain2 returns 10.2.0.100 |
| 16:05.48 | formi | the short name lookup is successful in tp but not in bsd |
| 16:05.57 | formi | the conf files are identical |
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| 17:20.07 | dankolb | Hi |
| 17:48.23 | eye69 | Hi dan |
| 17:49.06 | dankolb | How's it going? |
| 17:51.20 | eye69 | Going just fine |
| 17:52.17 | dankolb | Good :) Are you planning to come on the 18th to gllug? |
| 17:52.54 | eye69 | 18th? |
| 17:53.45 | dankolb | 18th January |
| 17:54.31 | eye69 | Oh, *blind* |
| 17:54.35 | eye69 | I guess I will |
| 18:01.46 | dankolb | Good :) |
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| 19:45.45 | dankolb | Hi |
| 20:04.59 | davilion | hi dan |
| 20:05.29 | dankolb | Hey |
| 20:05.32 | dankolb | How's it going? |
| 20:06.13 | davilion | im good, just vegged out in front of the tv |
| 20:06.45 | dankolb | There's something on? |
| 20:06.57 | davilion | no watching attack of the clones |
| 20:07.11 | dankolb | Ah right. Sky? |
| 20:07.17 | dankolb | Or a DVD? |
| 20:07.24 | skugg | hm. when releasing a library, should i make it gpl or lgpl? -- /me is a bit torn |
| 20:07.32 | dankolb | BSD :) |
| 20:07.37 | dankolb | Or Artistic |
| 20:07.41 | dankolb | Or write your own licence |
| 20:07.51 | skugg | no, i don't want to write my own. |
| 20:08.00 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:08.09 | dankolb | Go for LGPL. It's designed for libraries |
| 20:08.11 | skugg | 1) there's enough of them already, 2) i don't talk lawyerese. |
| 20:08.31 | dankolb | BSD is nice and simple |
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| 20:09.39 | skugg | dankolb, i used lgpl for a previous version of it, but wondered whether i should make it gpl or stick with the existing one. |
| 20:09.50 | skugg | i probably should... |
| 20:09.55 | dankolb | Stick with the existing one |
| 20:10.04 | zachary | SpudUAway: available? |
| 20:10.30 | dankolb | It'll mean that if someone wants to use it in a proprietary product, they won't have to reinvent the wheel. Hence you'll be doing a better service |
| 20:10.33 | dankolb | Hi zachary |
| 20:11.40 | zachary | I just checked email. Sash wanted to drop by to |
| 20:12.41 | zachary | tomarrow to "inspect" them. After he does, would you like me to get ahold of you? |
| 20:13.24 | zachary | hi dankolb |
| 20:20.48 | davilion | ahhh its sauromon. |
| 20:20.55 | davilion | well, its not, but it is. |
| 20:21.04 | dankolb | what? |
| 20:24.25 | davilion | lol in star wars |
| 20:24.31 | davilion | same guy plays evil dude as in lotr. |
| 20:25.00 | dankolb | Ah right |
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| 20:47.16 | dankolb | Hi cupis |
| 20:47.26 | cupis | hi all |
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| 20:49.43 | dankolb | Hi mazogs |
| 20:50.07 | mazogs | hi dankolb, first time i talk with you i think |
| 20:50.14 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 20:50.21 | dankolb | Have you been here before? |
| 20:50.38 | mazogs | yes, i came here for the first time yesterday night |
| 20:50.53 | mazogs | i'm new in London |
| 20:51.01 | dankolb | Ah right. I wasn't here yesterday |
| 20:51.37 | mazogs | i wasn't until too late anyway |
| 20:51.53 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:53.03 | mazogs | how are the chances of getting a linux related job here? |
| 20:53.36 | dankolb | Purely Linux? |
| 20:53.42 | dankolb | Or other Unix, and Windows, too? |
| 20:53.49 | mazogs | if it's possible... |
| 20:54.20 | dankolb | Not sure. Most places aren't purely Linux. |
| 20:54.29 | mazogs | if see |
| 20:54.31 | dankolb | You'll generally have to have Windows. |
| 20:54.35 | quinophex | we don't :) |
| 20:54.39 | dankolb | Or use. |
| 20:54.41 | quinophex | irix and linux all the way |
| 20:54.47 | dankolb | :-) Lucky you. |
| 20:54.51 | quinophex | well there are a few windows boxen around |
| 20:54.54 | quinophex | but nothing important |
| 20:54.58 | dankolb | But you're still not purely Linux then (not that this is a bad thing, mind) |
| 20:55.20 | quinophex | nowhere is purely linux i would have though |
| 20:55.20 | quinophex | t |
| 20:55.21 | mazogs | i don't mind if i have to fight with windows too, but i want to get working experience with linux, you know |
| 20:57.03 | mazogs | sure, but it's not the same |
| 20:57.26 | dankolb | Not the same? As what? |
| 20:57.45 | mazogs | as Linux, for example |
| 20:58.03 | mazogs | or another OS, i'm tired of Windows systems |
| 20:58.06 | dankolb | Neither's MVS or OS/390 |
| 20:58.16 | mazogs | that is |
| 20:59.02 | mazogs | it has to be a great thing to work with these too |
| 20:59.16 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 20:59.44 | dankolb | Most of my time at work I spend with FreeBSD (workstation) and Win2k (some servers) |
| 20:59.55 | dankolb | Occasionally I use Solaris, or Linux |
| 21:00.17 | mazogs | i have never seen FreeBSD |
| 21:00.34 | mazogs | but i've only heard great things about it |
| 21:01.01 | dankolb | Yeah. It's definitely a good system |
| 21:01.05 | dankolb | Rock-solid, IME |
| 21:01.37 | eye69 | I'm going to get obsd onto my home router |
| 21:01.44 | mazogs | what's the use you make of it at your work? |
| 21:02.37 | dankolb | eye69: Good plan. I would, too. |
| 21:02.44 | dankolb | mazogs: It's my workstation |
| 21:03.00 | dankolb | So VNC, Lotus Notes (under Wine), Mozilla |
| 21:03.04 | dankolb | And lots of xterms |
| 21:03.05 | eye69 | dankolb: Especially since I bought the bloody thing and want to make use of it :) |
| 21:03.13 | dankolb | :-) |
| 21:03.17 | dankolb | You bought OpenBSD? |
| 21:03.51 | eye69 | Yeah...not too expensive...thought that I could give something back to the community for once |
| 21:04.06 | mazogs | what is FreeBSD, a kernel, distro? |
| 21:04.53 | dankolb | eye69: Good man. I ought to buy a copy, I guess. |
| 21:04.56 | dankolb | mazogs: www.freebsd.org |
| 21:05.04 | dankolb | A complete free Unix system |
| 21:05.06 | mazogs | ok :-) |
| 21:05.17 | dankolb | ibot freebsd |
| 21:05.22 | | A stable secure open source operating system.. URL: http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD: Nothing runs like a daemon with a pitch fork. |
| 21:05.36 | mazogs | so there's just 'one' FreeBSD i think |
| 21:05.58 | eye69 | dankolb: It comes with a bunch of cool stickers :) |
| 21:06.18 | dankolb | Yeah. Just one FreeBSD. |
| 21:06.22 | dankolb | eye69: Even better :) |
| 21:06.40 | eye69 | *BSD are called flavors...not distributions |
| 21:08.00 | mazogs | what is the main difference with Linux, for me to have an idea? |
| 21:08.49 | mazogs | (sorry if i don't explain myself quite well, i'm learning english) |
| 21:08.50 | dankolb | eye69: That's because NetBSD is not FreeBSD is not OpenBSD. Whereas, under the hood, Linux is Linux is Linux |
| 21:09.07 | dankolb | Err. A lot of differences |
| 21:09.41 | eye69 | Init system (although Slackware uses the BSD init), packaging systems (ports) |
| 21:09.57 | dankolb | Although Gentoo does ports.. |
| 21:10.04 | eye69 | The kernel is entirely different |
| 21:10.04 | mazogs | i see, a whole different world isn't it? |
| 21:10.08 | dankolb | Yup |
| 21:10.20 | dankolb | With a whole different set of politics. Well, less politics, actually |
| 21:10.27 | eye69 | mazogs: Well, if you know Linux you wont have any problems using *BSD |
| 21:10.39 | dankolb | s/any/many/ |
| 21:10.48 | mazogs | as soon as i get a computer here i'll try it |
| 21:10.49 | eye69 | dankolb: Right, thanks |
| 21:11.15 | eye69 | It's still *nix, so most of the commands are largely the same |
| 21:11.17 | dankolb | Obviously there are differences in where files are, and how they're set up, etc. |
| 21:11.24 | eye69 | The basic commands, that is |
| 21:11.42 | mazogs | i also want to have a look to GNU (with HURD i mean) |
| 21:11.44 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 21:11.56 | dankolb | But beware of GNU extensions. |
| 21:12.03 | mazogs | what about device drivers? |
| 21:12.14 | dankolb | Just because something works under Linux userspace, doesn't mean it'll work the same under BSD |
| 21:12.20 | dankolb | What about device drivers? |
| 21:12.31 | dankolb | Lots of stuff supported. |
| 21:12.37 | dankolb | Some better than Linux, some not as well |
| 21:12.39 | mazogs | ok |
| 21:13.26 | eye69 | The nVidia OpenGL driver support has quite recently been "finished", so you can play large scale games under fbsd |
| 21:14.01 | mazogs | do you use X with FreeBSD too, or do you use another thing? |
| 21:14.12 | eye69 | It's still Xfree86 |
| 21:15.12 | eye69 | It has Linux binary support too, so you can use stuff compiled for Linux under BSD |
| 21:15.17 | mazogs | isn't the kernel in the core of MacOS X? |
| 21:15.36 | dankolb | Yeah-ish |
| 21:15.48 | dankolb | eye69: It also has SCO binary support |
| 21:15.51 | dankolb | And a few others |
| 21:15.54 | eye69 | It's a bastardized incarnation, from what I know |
| 21:17.22 | mazogs | under wich license is distributed? |
| 21:17.29 | eye69 | The BSD license |
| 21:18.10 | eye69 | It's a lot less restrictive than the GPL |
| 21:18.19 | dankolb | And a lot shorter |
| 21:18.36 | dankolb | It basically says 'do what you want with this code, but if it doesn't work, it's not our problem' |
| 21:18.59 | quinophex | hmmm |
| 21:19.16 | eye69 | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php |
| 21:19.17 | mazogs | so they have taken away the part of giving source code, use the same license, etc |
| 21:19.29 | quinophex | BSD license could be considered to be more restrictive than GPL |
| 21:19.39 | quinophex | depending on your viewpoint |
| 21:19.45 | davilion | anybody got a non-violent solution to a managing director who wants to spend money willie nilly on staff that don't do anything? |
| 21:20.00 | eye69 | quinophex: Care to explain? |
| 21:20.10 | quinophex | well its obvious |
| 21:20.32 | eye69 | davilion: Take him out for a pint and explain your thinking. |
| 21:20.33 | quinophex | BSD license people can take *your* code and compile it with no real changes and sell it as a commercial product |
| 21:20.40 | cupis | davilion: stop working and see if you get a bonus? |
| 21:21.18 | davilion | eye69: whenever mike drinks he buys more staff |
| 21:21.19 | quinophex | what i am saying could make sense then |
| 21:21.46 | mazogs | quinophex: but then a lot of people will prefer not to license their code under BSD license i think |
| 21:21.46 | eye69 | davilion: I didn't say anything about getting him pissed |
| 21:21.54 | cupis | mazogs: i.e. anyone (Linus, Microsoft) can take the BSD TCP networking stack and incorporate it into their own products, without having to licence their product under the BSD licence. |
| 21:22.31 | mazogs | that's what they did, didn't they? |
| 21:22.51 | davilion | cupis: im going to voice my concearns and let it be known that if i get the slightest hint that he is going to be taking on any staff who arent there solely to do support or to physically build clusters that i wont be hanging around to wait for the administrators |
| 21:22.55 | cupis | mazogs: yes |
| 21:23.32 | eye69 | quinophex: Take _ANY_ rule/license and it can be thought of both as non-restrictive and very restrictive, depending on which side you're on. |
| 21:23.48 | cupis | davilion: write a formal declaration of the above, with reasoning and give it to the MD |
| 21:23.58 | quinophex | eye69: yes thats why i said your explanation that the GPL is less restrictive is a bad explanation |
| 21:23.59 | cupis | s/MD/manager/ |
| 21:24.30 | eye69 | quinophex: Did I say that the GPL was less restrictive? |
| 21:25.03 | cupis | <eye69> It's a lot less restrictive than the GPL |
| 21:25.07 | mazogs | what happens when linus and microsoft distribute the same code under such different licenses? |
| 21:25.25 | cupis | mazogs: hopefully they inter-operate properly |
| 21:25.37 | cupis | <quinophex> BSD license could be considered to be more restrictive than GPL |
| 21:26.46 | cupis | dankolb: John Masters? |
| 21:26.50 | quinophex | eye69: yes you did |
| 21:26.52 | quinophex | :) |
| 21:26.53 | dankolb | Jon Masters |
| 21:26.56 | cupis | s/John/Jon/ |
| 21:27.12 | dankolb | You weren't here in his time, obviously. Annoyed a *lot* of people |
| 21:27.25 | cupis | dankolb: rephrase: who is Jon Masters? |
| 21:27.29 | cupis | ah |
| 21:27.38 | dankolb | www.jonmasters.org |
| 21:28.08 | eye69 | 22:23:30 < eye69> The BSD license |
| 21:28.08 | eye69 | 22:24:12 < eye69> It's a lot less restrictive than the GPL |
| 21:28.35 | eye69 | quinophex: How you get that to "GPL is less restrictive" is beyond me. |
| 21:29.02 | quinophex | you are saying that the BSD license is a lot less restrictive than the GPL? |
| 21:29.10 | eye69 | Yes. |
| 21:29.16 | dankolb | Yes |
| 21:29.19 | quinophex | that is your opinion |
| 21:29.39 | dankolb | <sudhir>It's a fact</> |
| 21:29.48 | quinophex | that is restrictive imho |
| 21:29.49 | eye69 | I look at licenses from the view of being the one getting software licensed with it |
| 21:29.57 | quinophex | no you don't :) |
| 21:30.03 | quinophex | thats how i look at it too |
| 21:30.06 | quinophex | but its a viewpoint |
| 21:30.15 | quinophex | all i am saying is that its a bad way to compare licenses |
| 21:30.35 | dankolb | But if you can close it, then that's less restriction on the user |
| 21:30.42 | quinophex | no its more restriction |
| 21:30.52 | quinophex | as you can take away the source |
| 21:31.03 | quinophex | taking something away from somebody is imho more restrictive |
| 21:31.07 | dankolb | Err. |
| 21:31.27 | dankolb | No. Because if I get some GPLed code, I'm restricted as to what I can do with it. |
| 21:31.38 | quinophex | but it restricts others less |
| 21:31.39 | dankolb | I can't modify it and close it up. |
| 21:31.41 | quinophex | put it like this |
| 21:31.52 | quinophex | M$ use the BSD tcp/ip stack, yes or no? |
| 21:32.03 | mazogs | are both equally restrictive about the things you can do with the code? |
| 21:32.17 | quinophex | mazogs: no, they are very different |
| 21:32.34 | dankolb | quinophex: Apparently, yes. At least, with some modifications |
| 21:32.53 | quinophex | then that is a restriction as i can't get access to the code to fix problems with it |
| 21:33.02 | mazogs | i'm talking about the things you can do with the code, forgetting the licensement after that |
| 21:33.12 | dankolb | Which is a good thing, because then they don't have to reinvent the wheel, and put extra bugs in their implementation |
| 21:33.35 | quinophex | hmmm, |
| 21:33.42 | quinophex | what you think is good is different to me though |
| 21:34.05 | quinophex | well yes |
| 21:34.25 | cupis | quinophex: MS used to use the BSD stack. I think they rewrote it for Win2K. |
| 21:34.29 | quinophex | so all my point is that comparing licenses by saying which is more/less restrictive is not so good |
| 21:34.39 | quinophex | cupis: its still based on BSD |
| 21:35.24 | quinophex | anyhow that is not what i am saying really |
| 21:35.26 | cupis | quinophex: I don't doubt it |
| 21:35.35 | eye69 | My opinion is that licenses should be viewed from the eyes of the one downloading software that's licensed with it. |
| 21:35.54 | quinophex | its kind of irrelevant if its windows tcp/ip stack or apples Mac OS X kernel |
| 21:36.03 | quinophex | eye69: thats how i am thinking of it too |
| 21:36.04 | dankolb | Yeah. So how restricted they are to the user / developer who gets the source |
| 21:36.36 | quinophex | although |
| 21:36.45 | mazogs | i think that someone who codes to give his code, will prefer to license it under GPL than always be dubting if someone is going resell it, or i'm mistaken? |
| 21:36.45 | eye69 | With that standpoint, BSD simply has to be thought of as less restrictive than the GPL, since you can do more or less anything with it. |
| 21:36.57 | quinophex | which is a bad thing |
| 21:36.59 | quinophex | imho |
| 21:37.07 | eye69 | mazogs: More or less, yes. |
| 21:37.23 | eye69 | mazogs: You have to have cojones to release under the BSD license, IMO. |
| 21:37.47 | quinophex | eye69: people can then take the code away from you under the BSD system |
| 21:37.53 | dankolb | The old-style BSD licence required you to give credit. |
| 21:38.00 | mazogs | then the BSD license doesn't encourage the grow of open systems? |
| 21:38.01 | dankolb | Then Richard Stallman took that away |
| 21:38.26 | dankolb | Err.....there were plenty of happy open systems before the GPL came along |
| 21:38.47 | eye69 | quinophex: I'm still looking at it from the users point of view, so it's less restrictive. |
| 21:39.08 | quinophex | eye69: i am a user, i think it is more restrictive |
| 21:39.13 | quinophex | its an opinion or viewpoint |
| 21:39.20 | dankolb | <sudhir>It's a fact</> |
| 21:39.25 | quinophex | personally i would find it more restrictive |
| 21:39.34 | mazogs | sure, but the GPL is to assure that an open system will always be open, or not? |
| 21:39.42 | dankolb | Yes |
| 21:39.50 | eye69 | quinophex: How can it be more restrictive in that case? |
| 21:40.05 | cupis | mazogs: yes. GPL ensures an open system which remains open. |
| 21:40.20 | dankolb | biab |
| 21:40.36 | cupis | mazogs: BSD licence means you can let anyone use the code as they see fit - does not include keeping it open/under the same licence. |
| 21:41.01 | mazogs | so it's less restrictive about the future of such system, considering 'restrictive' as a bad thing :-) |
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| 21:41.49 | mazogs | something licensed under BSD is like something not licensed at all it seems... |
| 21:42.22 | dankolb | There is a difference between BSD licence and public domain |
| 21:42.37 | cupis | mazogs: BSD gives users more rights over the code (less restrictive?), but that is not necessarily a good thing for the future of that code. |
| 21:42.51 | mazogs | (i don't know too much about licenses, i'm talking to have a good time ;-) |
| 21:43.00 | quinophex | the future of the code could be more restrictive |
| 21:44.16 | mazogs | dankolb: what is this difference? |
| 21:44.33 | dankolb | Err... |
| 21:44.47 | mazogs | ok :-) |
| 21:44.51 | quinophex | ask an accountant |
| 21:44.53 | quinophex | ;) |
| 21:44.55 | davilion | mmm kylie |
| 21:45.05 | davilion | mmmm |
| 21:45.30 | dankolb | kylie isn't an accountant |
| 21:47.25 | mazogs | i'll be back if 5 minutes |
| 21:47.32 | mazogs | s/if/in |
| 21:47.48 | dankolb | k |
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| 21:57.36 | mazzogs | i have to appear as mazzogs now, as 'mazogs' is hanged again... |
| 21:58.04 | dankolb | That's okay. At least jcm isn't here |
| 21:58.26 | mazzogs | is funny to talk about that, isn't it? |
| 21:58.34 | dankolb | Sometimes :) |
| 21:58.59 | mazzogs | opinions are just opinions :-) |
| 21:59.22 | dankolb | No. They're facts :) |
| 21:59.49 | mazzogs | there are no facts in this universe... |
| 22:00.00 | skugg | mazzogs, is that a fact? :) |
| 22:00.10 | dankolb | You should have been on the mailing list last week. |
| 22:00.10 | mazzogs | the only one! |
| 22:00.23 | mazzogs | what happened? |
| 22:00.54 | dankolb | Facts and opinions got mixed up |
| 22:01.06 | dankolb | So it's starting to become a joke here |
| 22:01.24 | eye69 | mazzogs: A guy posted about minor problems with Gnome. Another guy posted a one-line reply saying something like "Gnome is inferiour to KDE, which you should be using instead" |
| 22:02.16 | cupis | That was a particularly pointless and stupid thread, imho. |
| 22:02.23 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 22:02.28 | cupis | and that's a fact. :) |
| 22:02.28 | eye69 | Yep. Wasted a lot of time. |
| 22:02.35 | mazzogs | the thing that happens once maybe doesn't happen more, but the things that happens twice will happen a third time for sure, they say |
| 22:02.44 | dankolb | The monthly grammar report thread was quite fun |
| 22:02.50 | skugg | eye69, not only that... he said that the "gnome window manager is inferior to the kde window manager" :) |
| 22:02.51 | cupis | still, was shorter than the equally pointless (but not as stupid) grammar flames. |
| 22:03.08 | dankolb | Even if it did cause one person to unsubscribe, instead of just ignoring the thread |
| 22:03.45 | eye69 | skugg: So he did. For mazzogs reference none of them are window managers. |
| 22:03.48 | cupis | dankolb: it just got stupid, and people weren't paying attention to what they were saying/reading. |
| 22:03.56 | skugg | both caused at least one person to unsubscribe, but one of them were not the target for the flames... |
| 22:04.00 | dankolb | Well, yeah |
| 22:04.39 | mazzogs | i think i can use my loved nick again, just a second... |
| 22:04.42 | *** part/#gllug mazzogs (~juan@host213-123-53-155.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:04.55 | eye69 | Uhm..../nick ? |
| 22:05.06 | eye69 | Is there an echo in here? |
| 22:05.11 | dankolb | Yes |
| 22:05.14 | cupis | Yes |
| 22:05.15 | eye69 | Yes |
| 22:06.11 | cupis | i think mazog rebooted :) |
| 22:06.11 | dankolb | :) |
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| 22:06.19 | dankolb | That's one way of changing IRC nicks |
| 22:06.22 | cupis | wb |
| 22:06.24 | dankolb | wb |
| 22:06.35 | dankolb | Or maybe Gnome crashed, and he should be using KDE :) |
| 22:06.40 | cupis | mazogs: you couldl have just done /nick mazongs |
| 22:06.45 | cupis | or mazogs, even. |
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| 22:06.50 | dankolb | Hi zimm |
| 22:06.56 | cupis | dankolb: yeah |
| 22:06.58 | zimm | :-) |
| 22:07.03 | mazogs | i'll try next time! :-) |
| 22:07.20 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:07.35 | mazogs | i'm using gaim with WXP |
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| 22:07.45 | mazogs | (home) |
| 22:07.49 | dankolb | Hi Jenson |
| 22:07.53 | Jenson | hey dankolb |
| 22:07.58 | zimm | hi Jenson |
| 22:07.59 | cupis | hi Jenson |
| 22:08.05 | Jenson | hey zimm |
| 22:08.07 | Jenson | hey cupis |
| 22:08.51 | davilion | hi Jenson |
| 22:08.51 | mazogs | hi Jenson |
| 22:09.14 | Jenson | hey davilion |
| 22:09.16 | Jenson | hey mazogs |
| 22:09.54 | Jenson | how is everyone? |
| 22:10.09 | cupis | okay, you? |
| 22:10.12 | zimm | feck all on TV again ,, anyone watch the piss poor excuse of a royal variety performance earlier ? |
| 22:10.21 | dankolb | Nah. |
| 22:10.25 | dankolb | There's rarely much on TV |
| 22:10.25 | Jenson | nah |
| 22:10.38 | Jenson | There is a lot on TV......just mostly crap |
| 22:10.43 | Jenson | Enterprise was good though |
| 22:10.48 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 22:10.51 | dankolb | Bloody cliffhanger episodes |
| 22:10.55 | zimm | heh |
| 22:11.19 | davilion | Jenson: im ok i guess |
| 22:11.33 | Jenson | awwww davilion you guess? What's wrong mate? |
| 22:11.48 | davilion | nothing in particular |
| 22:11.57 | davilion | just fed up in general. |
| 22:13.22 | cupis | davilion: weren't you fed up on Friday as well? iirc |
| 22:13.29 | cupis | davilion: wassup? |
| 22:14.03 | Jenson | exactly zimm |
| 22:14.45 | mazogs | what is the NIH syndrome? |
| 22:17.34 | davilion | cupis yeah i was in a hellish mood last night |
| 22:17.49 | davilion | cupis: not sure really i dont have anything to be miserable about (love life excluded) |
| 22:18.18 | cupis | mazogs: Not Incented Here. If we didn't invemt it, it's crap and we need to write our own 'version'. |
| 22:18.36 | cupis | s/Incented/Invented/ |
| 22:18.46 | cupis | and s/invemt/invent/ |
| 22:18.48 | cupis | bah |
| 22:18.50 | mazogs | cupis: ok, thanks |
| 22:18.54 | davilion | work has been getting to me the last couple of weeks but its just been because they are all so disorganised |
| 22:18.56 | dankolb | Ah yes. A typical view of a lot of the Linux community |
| 22:19.00 | Jenson | Love life is always sometihng to be miserable about davilion that's why we're all here.... |
| 22:19.14 | cupis | dankolb: of many communities |
| 22:19.18 | zimm | Jenson: lol (yet true) |
| 22:19.23 | dankolb | cupis: Well, yeah |
| 22:20.29 | Jenson | That cute mate of mine that I've been telling everyone about should be on here in a minute |
| 22:20.47 | dankolb | which one? |
| 22:21.21 | Jenson | the cute one |
| 22:21.32 | dankolb | Err. |
| 22:21.39 | dankolb | You say that about a few of your mates |
| 22:21.55 | Jenson | No, I mean my mate, not the person I was talking about last night |
| 22:22.21 | Jenson | Well maybe it was davilion i told |
| 22:22.37 | dankolb | Probably |
| 22:22.48 | Jenson | Yeah, after all he's looking for a g/f |
| 22:22.58 | dankolb | So am I. |
| 22:23.09 | zimm | arent we all ? |
| 22:23.15 | cupis | Jenson: he will have to cheer up before that happens, methinks |
| 22:23.47 | Jenson | zimm: I'm not particularly looking for a g/f.....but i could live with it. |
| 22:24.05 | zimm | aye :-) |
| 22:26.24 | davilion | the problem i'm having is that i meet lots of women but none i would actually want to date |
| 22:26.40 | Jenson | that's coz\ lots of women are bitches davilion |
| 22:27.30 | Jenson | when you meet me you can add me to your list of women you dont wanna date lol |
| 22:28.01 | davilion | yes that is true most women are inherintly evil, |
| 22:28.10 | dankolb | Most? |
| 22:28.13 | dankolb | Surely, all |
| 22:28.21 | Jenson | Yeah all |
| 22:28.21 | davilion | no not all dan, just most |
| 22:28.35 | mazogs | then we all come from evil beings.... |
| 22:28.42 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 22:28.52 | Jenson | And got dumped by 2 others |
| 22:28.53 | dankolb | It's why there's so much suffering in the world... |
| 22:29.07 | Jenson | yeah mazogs....son of a bitch.....lol |
| 22:31.53 | skugg | ohh... love life confessions... |
| 22:32.12 | davilion | heh |
| 22:33.03 | mazogs | the problem is that people get bored of each other later or sooner if they don't do anything to not happen |
| 22:33.20 | skugg | (2 hours or so) |
| 22:33.50 | Jenson | was it a good or a bad surprise visit skugg? |
| 22:33.50 | davilion | i ran into mine this afternoon, it was uncomfortable. |
| 22:34.04 | davilion | its one of the problems of living in a small time. |
| 22:34.27 | davilion | town |
| 22:34.34 | Jenson | My ex is too busy shagging his g/f to see me....and when he does see me he thinks that I still fancy him, but I'm so over him. |
| 22:34.44 | Jenson | Mind you we did split up a year ago. |
| 22:35.29 | davilion | time has no bearing on relationship endings imho. |
| 22:35.36 | zimm | My ex doesnt even respond to phone calls from any of her friends ,, she's doing the "whole new life" thing |
| 22:35.50 | Jenson | zimm: I've contewmplated that |
| 22:35.53 | eye69 | If he thinks you still fancy him, he's probably the one that hasn't gotten over the relationship. |
| 22:35.59 | Jenson | Not that any phones me. |
| 22:36.03 | skugg | Jenson, it was nice. she's still here by the way, playing games on my housemate's xbox :) |
| 22:36.22 | Jenson | eye69: He said he never loved me......but no-one believes that |
| 22:36.31 | Jenson | skugg: Do you have another g/f at the moment? |
| 22:36.31 | davilion | skugg: i couldnt handle that, i would constantly freak out. |
| 22:36.32 | skugg | davilion, amen. |
| 22:36.41 | eye69 | Jenson: A pathetic macho thing if you ask me. |
| 22:37.01 | skugg | Jenson, nay, no other girl friend. |
| 22:37.13 | Jenson | eye69: What do you expect from the son of a geek, who thinks he's clever? |
| 22:37.25 | dankolb | Jenson: Honesty? |
| 22:37.29 | eye69 | Jenson: Heh. |
| 22:37.38 | skugg | i'm okay as it is right now actually. she comes over once in a while and we have fun; don't really have time for more :) |
| 22:37.52 | Jenson | skugg: Then hanging around your ex will make you horny and no-one will be there to srt it |
| 22:38.06 | skugg | davilion, why? that she comes over or that she hangs out with my housemate? |
| 22:38.21 | skugg | Jenson, says who? :) |
| 22:38.41 | Jenson | Last time I saw my ex, we were discussing what him and his g/f do in bed. |
| 22:38.54 | skugg | Jenson, ah. hehe. |
| 22:38.54 | mazogs | you always have to care about what license you apply to your g/f... :-) |
| 22:39.05 | eye69 | mazogs: Heh. |
| 22:39.05 | Jenson | skugg: The 'we've split up but we sleep together' kind of relationship? |
| 22:39.10 | skugg | mazogs, she's got free hands. |
| 22:39.29 | skugg | Jenson, a gentleman never tells. |
| 22:39.37 | skugg | (and neither do I) |
| 22:39.38 | skugg | :) |
| 22:39.38 | davilion | skugg: just seeing her all the time, i couldnt handle that, i foudn it really hard when we broke up. |
| 22:39.46 | dankolb | Beat me to it :) |
| 22:39.49 | mazogs | i was joking about that we were talking before, sorry! |
| 22:40.11 | skugg | mazogs, that's fine. I'm not the jealous type. |
| 22:40.25 | Jenson | davilion: I couldn't handle it when I split with my boy/f watching him flirt with other girls at school every day |
| 22:40.34 | skugg | dankolb, heh. yeah. I thought I had to add that |
| 22:40.36 | Jenson | All men are the jealous type |
| 22:40.50 | mazogs | Jenson: not all! |
| 22:40.59 | mazogs | well... maybe |
| 22:41.08 | skugg | davilion, it was hard in the beginning, but it's fine now. but then the reason for us splitting was a bit untraditional. |
| 22:41.26 | Jenson | Do I want to ask skugg? |
| 22:41.36 | skugg | Jenson, you can if you want. |
| 22:41.38 | skugg | :) |
| 22:43.43 | skugg | well, it was very complex, so i won't bore you with all the details. she's chinese, i'm not. parents not happy, and that put a lot of pressure on her etc. she couldn't take lying to them anymore i think was partly it. |
| 22:44.26 | Jenson | Yeah my last breakup was complex too....but not like that |
| 22:45.14 | zimm | Mine was quite simple , after 5 years together , she just rang up and said , "dont come to see me at the weekend , its over" lol :-( |
| 22:45.40 | skugg | zimm, ouch. |
| 22:45.56 | Jenson | that's just evil |
| 22:46.00 | zimm | then she logged on to IRC 2 weeks later to rtell me about her new bloke ! |
| 22:46.19 | Jenson | What a bitch... |
| 22:46.24 | zimm | err .. umm |
| 22:46.25 | zimm | YUP |
| 22:46.45 | davilion | zimm: had something o the same, after a year together i picked her up and she said id ont want to see you again. |
| 22:46.59 | davilion | no reason, wouldnt take any calls or anything. |
| 22:47.00 | Jenson | Why are women such fucking bitches? |
| 22:47.03 | zimm | davilion: sucks doesnt it .# |
| 22:47.12 | Jenson | Why am I not sticking up for women? |
| 22:47.23 | davilion | zimm: yeah its bad enough splitting up, but not having any reason means its very ahrd to move on |
| 22:47.27 | dankolb | Jenson: Because there's something you're not telling us? ;-) |
| 22:47.37 | skugg | Jenson, because you know them too well? |
| 22:47.50 | zimm | we were togethre over 5 yaers , lived together for 3 , engaged for 4 .. then I went ot uni ,, and thats the end of it .. |
| 22:48.16 | Jenson | too complex |
| 22:48.28 | Jenson | You thing someone doesnt mind you doing something, and then they freak |
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| 22:48.58 | zimm | see , its hard to meet people when you cant stand idiots :-P |
| 22:49.05 | dankolb | so you just have to watch out for it next time |
| 22:49.30 | davilion | zimm: yeah i have that problem too |
| 22:49.44 | davilion | i hate going out on the pull because a) im too shy, and b) i *hate* people. |
| 22:49.50 | Jenson | Or they ask for the truth, you tell them, and then they get convinced you wanna shag someone else |
| 22:49.55 | zimm | davilion: heh exactly . |
| 22:50.06 | Jenson | Or they find the computer more interesting than you |
| 22:52.08 | Jenson | davilion: sounds like me |
| 22:53.04 | zimm | people, real human people are ok , i have no problem with thm , but most of the creatures i meet dont qualify |
| 22:53.22 | Jenson | I'm not sure if I qualify... |
| 22:54.01 | zimm | are you capable of original thought , ? and conversation about thinmgs other than TOTP ? |
| 22:54.05 | davilion | zimm: exactly 99% of the beings that call themselves human who you meet outside just piss me off os much |
| 22:54.17 | davilion | so narrow minded, ignorant and apathetic. and worst of all squeaky |
| 22:54.28 | zimm | sqeaky .. lol , |
| 22:54.34 | zimm | tru though .. |
| 22:54.50 | Jenson | I don't think I'm actaully capable of talking about TOTP.....original thought.....I do that, well contraversial anyway |
| 22:55.34 | zimm | I was asked recently why i never went out , i just said "cos i havernt got enough money to sit in the pub long enough for someone worth talking to to arrive" |
| 22:55.48 | zimm | Jenson: congrats , you qualify |
| 22:55.53 | Jenson | zimm: sit here and wait for someone worth talking to to arrive then |
| 22:55.59 | mazogs | excuse me, what is TOTP? |
| 22:56.06 | Jenson | top of the piops |
| 22:56.10 | Jenson | ^pops |
| 22:56.25 | Jenson | I used to watch it |
| 22:57.03 | mazogs | i dont't know anyway... |
| 22:57.17 | Jenson | channel 1, friday 7:30pm |
| 22:57.18 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:57.33 | mazogs | ok.... and lol? :-) |
| 22:57.49 | Jenson | lol that I remember |
| 22:57.59 | davilion | lol=laughs out loud |
| 22:58.11 | Jenson | I only ever watch it if there is sometihng i wanna see......which isn't often |
| 22:58.14 | davilion | zimm: thats the problem what i want is a pub which only lets in people worth talking to. |
| 22:58.17 | davilion | so hard to find. |
| 22:58.25 | Jenson | mazogs: you new to chat? |
| 22:58.27 | davilion | a pub where all the shy people can go and relax |
| 22:58.33 | skugg | mazogs, not widely wandered in sms/irc/usenet-ese are you :) |
| 22:58.55 | zimm | davilion: the post grads pub at my old uni was ok ,,, |
| 22:58.55 | Jenson | skugg: We all weren't at one time |
| 22:59.01 | skugg | davilion, i think it's called spearmint rhino :P |
| 22:59.03 | mazogs | Jenson: well, at least new to english-chat |
| 22:59.04 | davilion | anybody know a website with some good sites which provide something like 'socialism/communism for retards'? |
| 22:59.12 | zimm | hehe |
| 22:59.28 | Jenson | lol davilion....yeah mine......well it's retarded anyway |
| 22:59.32 | davilion | skugg: heh |
| 22:59.43 | skugg | Jenson, i know that... i didn't mean it in a bad way... |
| 22:59.50 | Jenson | I know skugg |
| 23:00.38 | Jenson | skugg: which culture? |
| 23:00.51 | skugg | scandinavian :P |
| 23:01.03 | skugg | we're usually a bit more blunt than over here. |
| 23:01.11 | Jenson | Oh there is nothing wrong with the Scandanavians |
| 23:01.11 | dankolb | Like dutch, then |
| 23:01.21 | Jenson | The Dutch talk about sex too much |
| 23:01.35 | skugg | Jenson, how do you know? do you speak dutch? :) |
| 23:01.37 | Jenson | The Swedish send you pictures of them in there underpants |
| 23:01.38 | dankolb | Hm. That's true |
| 23:02.12 | skugg | Jenson, do they now. |
| 23:02.15 | skugg | how scary. |
| 23:02.28 | skugg | had anyone from eye69? :D |
| 23:02.41 | skugg | s,one,y, |
| 23:02.55 | Jenson | no |
| 23:03.43 | skugg | (sorry eye69 ;) |
| 23:04.37 | eye69 | *hrm* |
| 23:04.53 | Jenson | damn i'm not allowed to post the word fuck |
| 23:05.05 | zimm | haha |
| 23:05.06 | skugg | `gurl.com'? funny url. |
| 23:05.17 | Jenson | and i can't write why the hell on an antichristian rant lol |
| 23:05.50 | zimm | can you post pictures ? just write it in a gif :-) |
| 23:06.04 | Jenson | I put a * |
| 23:06.23 | Jenson | Hope the fucking Christians don't flame. |
| 23:06.36 | zimm | if they do they arent christian .. |
| 23:06.48 | zimm | and they will all go to hell ! |
| 23:07.03 | dankolb | If they're fucking, then they can't really type back |
| 23:07.10 | skugg | good to see it's an overweight of votes for "no, we don't like tight jeans on boys!" :) |
| 23:07.25 | skugg | davilion, lol! |
| 23:07.28 | Jenson | lol skugg |
| 23:12.25 | davilion | cooll, more films on bmwfilm |
| 23:13.20 | Jenson | cool |
| 23:14.16 | skugg | bmwfilm? |
| 23:15.28 | skugg | haha! -> "loserkid556: Guys w/ tight pants look gay!! bUT IT DOES MAKE THEIR BUTT LOOK GOOD" <-- I think the nick of the poster says it all :P |
| 23:15.50 | Jenson | hehehehe |
| 23:16.07 | Jenson | Posts by me are on the capitalism/socialism/anarchism boards |
| 23:18.44 | skugg | zimm, you install much from source? |
| 23:18.58 | dankolb | If yes, why aren't you using Slackware? ;-) |
| 23:19.12 | Jenson | Why are the fucking American chicks on those boards so stuck up |
| 23:19.26 | dankolb | Sshhh. Calm down |
| 23:19.26 | zimm | skugg: some , but i discovered apt-build a while ago , and decided to see if the whole of sid wuold build with gcc3.2 for athlon arch |
| 23:20.04 | davilion | www.bmwfilm.com |
| 23:20.11 | davilion | short films with bmw's being thrashed |
| 23:20.21 | zimm | dankolb: because i like debian ,, and having apt to fall back on when i fsck things up |
| 23:20.35 | Jenson | That makes sense zimm |
| 23:20.35 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:21.28 | zimm | hehe |
| 23:21.50 | dankolb | Sorry. But Debian/BSD is just a sick concept to me. |
| 23:21.55 | zimm | heh |
| 23:22.12 | dankolb | Debian GNU/Hurd is fine. As is Debian GNU/Linux |
| 23:22.14 | dankolb | Jenson: WEBCAM! |
| 23:22.19 | zimm | yeh , if i wanted BSD , id just use bSD .. but hey , its there ,, |
| 23:22.33 | Jenson | dankolb: That's why I don't have one... |
| 23:22.36 | dankolb | Yeah. I still don't see the point |
| 23:23.03 | zimm | dankolb: the point is "debian is precocious" |
| 23:23.29 | zimm | Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 23:23.29 | zimm | /dev/hda4 ext3 8.8G 5.4G 3.0G 65% / |
| 23:23.37 | zimm | fsck ,, |
| 23:23.53 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:24.18 | zimm | wireless mouse , low batteries , and mobile phone interference is NOT fun |
| 23:24.28 | Jenson | Oh I hate that zimm |
| 23:24.44 | dankolb | Err. Mobile phones run on different frequency to wireless mice |
| 23:24.44 | Jenson | I have wireles k/board too |
| 23:25.00 | zimm | dankolb: tell that to my mouse will you |
| 23:25.22 | dankolb | zimm's mouse: Behave, dammit |
| 23:25.37 | Jenson | ibot lart zimm's mouse |
| 23:25.41 | zimm | lol |
| 23:26.09 | skugg | Jenson, cat or /dev/urandom? |
| 23:26.13 | zimm | I always forget ibot is here |
| 23:26.18 | Jenson | both skugg |
| 23:26.26 | zimm | same code as apt on #debian ? |
| 23:26.51 | Jenson | ibot zimm |
| 23:26.53 | | i heard zimm is a god |
| 23:26.58 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:27.04 | zimm | :-) |
| 23:27.07 | Jenson | ibot skugg |
| 23:27.08 | | Jenson: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:27.14 | Jenson | ibot dankolb |
| 23:27.16 | | [dankolb] not a bot |
| 23:27.27 | Jenson | ibot davilion |
| 23:27.29 | | Jenson: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:27.30 | skugg | Jenson, urandom is not a command, it's a special file. it's full of pseudo-random data. |
| 23:27.47 | skugg | ibot skugg |
| 23:27.49 | | skugg: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:27.49 | davilion | ibot davilion |
| 23:27.51 | | you are, like, your lord and master |
| 23:28.02 | Jenson | skugg: ah right....I'm avoiding Linux at the moment. |
| 23:28.12 | Jenson | I'm avoiding computers too, but you probably hadn't noticed |
| 23:28.22 | skugg | no, not particularly. |
| 23:28.32 | murb | Jenson: you're doing a pretty poor impression of someone avoid computers. |
| 23:28.54 | Jenson | I've only truely avoided them once |
| 23:29.02 | skugg | bah... cold! |
| 23:29.03 | dankolb | murb: That depends what part of them you avoid |
| 23:29.11 | Jenson | I got stuck on a level of Doom, got pissed off and avoided the computer for a week |
| 23:29.34 | dankolb | When I get home from work in the evenings, I don't feel like doing anything remotely technical, hence I just IRC (and use IM) |
| 23:29.39 | skugg | eek! |
| 23:29.48 | Jenson | :) |
| 23:30.25 | Jenson | s/luckely/luckily |
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| 23:30.40 | Jenson | hey zachary |
| 23:30.47 | zachary | good evening! |
| 23:30.50 | zachary | hi Jenson |
| 23:30.52 | murb | Jenson: you don't have a coffee tray on your keyboard? |
| 23:30.53 | skugg | i spilled lots of water in the keyboard some time ago. not good, since it was a laptop :P |
| 23:31.22 | skugg | didn't work until it got 16 hours to dry up |
| 23:31.35 | zimm | skugg: hehe .. yeh they dont liek water much .. |
| 23:31.51 | skugg | zimm, no, they don't. |
| 23:31.51 | Jenson | My keyobard has got plaster dust in it. |
| 23:32.11 | zimm | my keyboard is full of strands of tobacco .. :-( |
| 23:32.12 | zachary | Jenson: Sometimes topless guys are a bad idea any time of the day. I would be one of them. :-) |
| 23:32.14 | Jenson | I found a totally hard rubber band with a fluffball wrapped around it in one of my towers the otherday |
| 23:32.19 | Jenson | zimm: not good |
| 23:32.32 | Jenson | :) zachary |
| 23:33.10 | skugg | dankolb, blasphemy ;P |
| 23:33.18 | dankolb | I know. Sorry :) |
| 23:33.33 | dankolb | I did listen to Mahler 1 & 2, and Johan de Meij's Lord of the Rings suite |
| 23:34.56 | dankolb | I've heard that some people became suicidal after listening to it |
| 23:35.14 | Jenson | Sounds like fun dankolb |
| 23:35.15 | zimm | dankolb: wuldnt work on me , i already am :-( |
| 23:35.18 | skugg | papa roach? |
| 23:35.22 | Jenson | I expect my parents have that CD |
| 23:35.32 | dankolb | Unless it tips you over the edge... |
| 23:35.41 | Jenson | zimm: I'm not suicidal all the time anymore....but live is fucked |
| 23:35.52 | dankolb | Jenson: It's possible. I've got a boxed set (complete Mahler Symphonies) |
| 23:36.12 | zimm | Jenson: I gave up actually , intending to kill myself ,,, I just killed my soul |
| 23:36.35 | Jenson | ^Aerosmith |
| 23:36.37 | skugg | dankolb, depressing in which way? that it is hideously bad/boring? that sounds like a fitting description of about 95% of what they're playing on the radio... |
| 23:36.55 | dankolb | skugg: No. Mahler isn't hideously bad/boring. |
| 23:37.08 | Jenson | zimm: I contemplate it on a regular basis, one day I will be brave and try |
| 23:37.09 | skugg | dankolb, okay. i don't know it. |
| 23:37.16 | dankolb | Depressing in that that's how you feel after listening to it (or at least, some people do) |
| 23:37.29 | skugg | dankolb, i didn't expect it was bad either, since you suggested it by the way :P |
| 23:37.35 | dankolb | Heh :) |
| 23:37.45 | dankolb | I tend to like big symphonic works |
| 23:37.54 | Jenson | Adema - Giving In is a great depression track |
| 23:37.56 | dankolb | Put them on nice and loud. Very relaxing. |
| 23:38.30 | Jenson | Lazy bugger, it dont take that long |
| 23:38.48 | zimm | Jenson: whats the point ? if there is any kind of afterlife then that presupposes some form of god , and order , in which case you will be in shit for cheating ,, and if there isnt .. you might as well stay living and see what happens |
| 23:39.00 | skugg | i find Paradise Lost and Type 0 Negative very relaxing for some reason. Dark and melodic and very beautiful music. |
| 23:39.07 | dankolb | Jenson: It tends to screw things around too much |
| 23:39.15 | dankolb | Eeek |
| 23:39.16 | dankolb | ! |
| 23:39.19 | Jenson | dankolb: its only 1.8MB |
| 23:39.22 | dankolb | Fuck |
| 23:39.24 | dankolb | 2-hour disconnect |
| 23:39.26 | dankolb | brb |
| 23:40.04 | Jenson | zimm: There isn't a god....the spirit leaves the body and has no control over what happens next, suicidal people are just spirits that are losing control |
| 23:40.19 | Jenson | I think I'll reconnect too |
| 23:40.20 | Jenson | BRB |
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| 23:41.59 | dankolb | Hm. |
| 23:42.04 | dankolb | Where's jenson gone? |
| 23:42.16 | zimm | same as you .. reconnecting |
| 23:42.19 | dankolb | Ah right |
| 23:42.28 | dankolb | But she came on later than I did |
| 23:42.37 | zimm | women ,,,,, |
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| 23:42.50 | dankolb | wb |
| 23:42.53 | dankolb | zimm: Yeah :) |
| 23:42.53 | Jenson | ty |
| 23:42.55 | Jenson | u2 |
| 23:43.48 | zimm | Jenson: what purpose do the spirits have ? |
| 23:44.02 | Jenson | zimm: We have no purpose after we die |
| 23:44.07 | dankolb | Mmm. |
| 23:44.17 | zimm | Jenson: so we have no purose while we live aither ? |
| 23:44.27 | Jenson | You sure you don't want that track dankolb |
| 23:44.33 | Jenson | Technically not zimm |
| 23:44.40 | dankolb | Not now. It's getting late |
| 23:44.48 | zachary | Jenson: bbq or honey-mustard? |
| 23:45.05 | Jenson | jusy chicken nuggets |
| 23:45.30 | Jenson | I love this track esp when im depressed |
| 23:45.41 | zimm | woohoo , apt-build managed 8 of 11 packages |
| 23:45.57 | davilion | Jenson what track? |
| 23:46.04 | Jenson | Adema - Giving In |
| 23:46.39 | Jenson | Want me to transfer it to you davilion? |
| 23:46.47 | mazogs | Jenson: excuse me if i'm too curious but it's true that you are depressed? |
| 23:47.22 | Jenson | mazogs: not too bad...antidepressants help |
| 23:47.55 | zimm | Jenson: if you dont mind me asking .. what did they give you ? , (ive been on cipramil for a year now) |
| 23:48.08 | Jenson | cipralex |
| 23:48.21 | davilion | Jenson got it |
| 23:48.38 | Jenson | k |
| 23:49.05 | zimm | s'ok |
| 23:49.06 | mazogs | i was depressed once, i am not going to be depressed again |
| 23:49.29 | Jenson | mazogs: Yeah I know what you mean |
| 23:49.35 | Jenson | I was suicdal once |
| 23:49.49 | Jenson | I still miss being depressed, not giving a shit is easier |
| 23:49.53 | mazogs | i hope you'll think similar soon |
| 23:50.02 | mazogs | it doesn't matter |
| 23:51.03 | Jenson | Oneday I'll get so fucked up i can't control myself and I'll do something bad....the amount of old antidepressant tablets I have lying arounf, that have potentially lethal reactions with my new ones is noit good |
| 23:51.07 | zimm | Jenson: i know exactly what you mean about being depressed being easier .. I really wish i still didnt care .. |
| 23:51.30 | Jenson | zimm: no-one else understands that |
| 23:51.47 | Jenson | you into selfmutilation zimm? |
| 23:52.23 | zimm | thing is , depression doesnt mean miserable ,, it means kinda *non-responsive* .. being *normal* hurts more when things go badly |
| 23:52.34 | Jenson | Exactly zimm |
| 23:52.42 | zimm | Jenson: self mutilation ? no .. i just took shitloads of drugs :-) |
| 23:52.55 | Jenson | I loved not giving a shit, when nothing matters ot dont matter how bad it goes. |
| 23:53.03 | Jenson | I've contemplated drugs |
| 23:53.12 | Jenson | I still contemplate smoking |
| 23:53.37 | murb | smoking is tax |
| 23:53.43 | zimm | I always hoped id take so many , that i would never be the same again .. it didnt work , i just became a charicature of my self .. lol |
| 23:53.56 | mazogs | but do you want to change this situation? |
| 23:54.26 | Jenson | i contemplate running away, but i cant run away from myself |
| 23:55.10 | zimm | very true Jenson |
| 23:55.30 | Jenson | I shouldn't think like this...I feel like a coward that I'm still alive |
| 23:55.41 | dankolb | You're not |
| 23:56.37 | Jenson | I don't feel suicidal at the moment |
| 23:56.57 | zimm | Jenson: there really is nothing glamorous about suicide .. or *brave* |
| 23:57.15 | Jenson | But when I do feel suicidal I feel guilty that I'm not managing to act on it, I contemplate it and then am too much of a coward to do it. |
| 23:57.21 | Jenson | zimm: It's braver to love |
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| 23:57.33 | Jenson | ^live |
| 23:57.37 | Jenson | not love |
| 23:57.40 | Jenson | fucking hell |
| 23:57.48 | zimm | Jenson: freudian slip perhaps |
| 23:57.58 | mazzogs | here i am again... |
| 23:57.59 | zimm | as both are true |
| 23:58.18 | Jenson | Actually love would be very helpful |
| 23:58.46 | Jenson | Fucking mouse! |
| 23:59.20 | mazzogs | Jenson: did you answered me before i was disconnected? |
| 23:59.21 | Jenson | It aint the batteries, its sticking tio the mat |
| 23:59.37 | Jenson | I dunno mazzogs lol |
| 23:59.45 | Jenson | Have you registered your nick? |
| 23:59.59 | Jenson | Finally zimm it transfered |