| 00:00.33 | ResuDaed | I know HTTP/SMTP/POP3 enough to do as I wish from telnet, and I know most (if not all) of the requirements |
| 00:01.08 | cupis | do you know/have experience admining some servers for those protocols? |
| 00:01.17 | ResuDaed | I can configure apache/IIS/sendmail |
| 00:02.00 | ResuDaed | my local box runs a apache and an SMTP server Iwrote in perl |
| 00:02.20 | cupis | say you have knowledge or protocols foo/bar and experience administering servers apache/sendmail/whatever |
| 00:02.32 | cupis | ResuDaed: why did you write an smtp server? |
| 00:02.34 | ResuDaed | (talk21 won't let me use their server anymore because I am not on one of thier internal IP's) |
| 00:02.54 | ResuDaed | I felt like it is the answer ... it was a good way to learn the protocol |
| 00:03.01 | cupis | ResuDaed: apt-cache search mail-transport-agent (or something) |
| 00:03.12 | dank_work | (I CBA to load my IRC client here) |
| 00:03.39 | dank_work | Just stuck my head in to say hi |
| 00:04.04 | ResuDaed | I would have used a main stream server, but I wanted to write it myself so that I got experience programming sockets in perl nd using a major protocol |
| 00:04.18 | dank_work | And, er, good night :) |
| 00:04.25 | ResuDaed | g'night dank_work |
| 00:04.28 | cupis | night dank_work |
| 00:04.37 | cupis | poor soul. |
| 00:04.38 | cupis | :) |
| 00:04.39 | dank_work | So I'll be online then |
| 00:04.43 | ResuDaed | wish I was |
| 00:04.46 | dank_work | Playing about with firewalls |
| 00:04.52 | dank_work | Just need to remember the duct tape and CDs |
| 00:04.59 | ResuDaed | :) |
| 00:05.23 | cupis | brb |
| 00:05.32 | dank_work | All perfectly innocent reasons, yes |
| 00:06.17 | ResuDaed | duct tape to tie up/gag management, cd's to play rebelious music? |
| 00:06.29 | *** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@modem-3813.elk.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 00:06.41 | dank_work | :) |
| 00:06.44 | dank_work | Not quite |
| 00:06.49 | dank_work | Far more innocent than that |
| 00:06.50 | cupis | that's better |
| 00:06.52 | ResuDaed | shame |
| 00:06.52 | cupis | no more cramped 15in monitor :) |
| 00:07.07 | ResuDaed | cupis: welcome to the world of 17" and above |
| 00:07.20 | dank_work | Duct tape to stick network cable to floor, and CDs which contain Smoothwall, IPCop and OpenBSD |
| 00:07.35 | cupis | ResuDaed: I've been using a 17in for so long, going back to 15in for half a day was horrible :) |
| 00:07.35 | ResuDaed | ah, not quite as much fun |
| 00:07.39 | dank_work | Nope |
| 00:07.43 | ResuDaed | I know the feeling |
| 00:08.14 | dank_work | Right. Bedtime |
| 00:08.17 | dank_work | 'night night |
| 00:08.23 | cupis | night |
| 00:09.17 | ResuDaed | night |
| 00:11.12 | cupis | ResuDaed: s/PostGreSQL/PostgreSQL/ |
| 00:11.26 | cupis | :) |
| 00:11.28 | ResuDaed | :) |
| 00:11.43 | cupis | open source cv :) |
| 00:12.04 | ResuDaed | lol |
| 00:12.12 | ResuDaed | openSource = Free |
| 00:13.00 | ResuDaed | I have this bad habbit of not using spaces between words and using capital letters to seperate words instead |
| 00:13.12 | ResuDaed | open source = free for learning then |
| 00:13.12 | Trel | talkingInCamelNotation? |
| 00:13.16 | cupis | ResuDaed: been using perl too long :) |
| 00:13.24 | cupis | Trel: exactly :) |
| 00:13.42 | Trel | funny, Perl doens't use camel notation |
| 00:13.48 | Trel | oh the irony |
| 00:14.02 | ResuDaed | actually picked it up from c++ |
| 00:14.45 | ResuDaed | but seem to use it everywhere now |
| 00:14.59 | ResuDaed | especially with CSS in HTML |
| 00:15.04 | cupis | ResuDaed: evenInEnglish :) |
| 00:15.18 | ResuDaed | my name kinds of sums it up |
| 00:15.34 | ResuDaed | although technically is should be resUdaeD |
| 00:15.53 | cupis | hmm, while we're on that... what does you name mean? dead user backwards? |
| 00:16.07 | ResuDaed | pretty much |
| 00:16.17 | cupis | no resUdaed (start with lowercase) |
| 00:16.22 | ResuDaed | good point |
| 00:16.25 | cupis | ResuDaed: mind if I ask why? |
| 00:16.34 | Trel | nicks are meant to mean something? |
| 00:16.35 | Trel | darn |
| 00:16.44 | cupis | Trel: no, but they often do |
| 00:16.56 | cupis | s/often do/might/ |
| 00:17.21 | ResuDaed | because I am 'hacking' (in the true sense of the word) until the early hours of the morning, befoire getting up and going to work every day on about 2 hours sleep |
| 00:17.37 | cupis | ah, and it's backwards becuase... |
| 00:17.43 | ResuDaed | because it sounds better |
| 00:17.50 | ResuDaed | IMHO |
| 00:17.55 | cupis | fair enough |
| 00:18.12 | ResuDaed | and isn't so blatent ... I don't look like some 12 year old yank who's just discovered the wonder of IRC |
| 00:18.23 | ResuDaed | (well I may do, but less so) |
| 00:18.33 | cupis | lol |
| 00:18.45 | Trel | Trel is short for Trelane (which is someone else on opn) which is a holdover from a stint on IRC on a start trek channel many amny years ago |
| 00:19.36 | ResuDaed | or some wannabe hacker(craker/script kiddie) who can't think up a good handle for himself (or herself in these days of sexual equality) |
| 00:21.20 | ResuDaed | I had to think of a nick on the spot ... someone said I looked death warmed up that morning ... deadUser ... that looks crap ... ResuDaed |
| 00:21.34 | resuDaed | :) |
| 00:22.04 | Trel | you see people need to put nicks to faces |
| 00:22.20 | denivri | we need a mugshots page. |
| 00:22.23 | Trel | speaking of that, where and what's happening at this gllug meeting |
| 00:22.26 | resuDaed | most people in here have put my nick to my face |
| 00:22.32 | cupis | Trel: we almost discussed that the other day |
| 00:22.42 | Trel | mugshots...hmmm, maybe |
| 00:22.58 | cupis | just putting a realname to a nick is difficult sometimes |
| 00:22.58 | Trel | I'm thinking about that for london.pm atm |
| 00:23.17 | cupis | london.pm? perlmonks? |
| 00:23.22 | resuDaed | putting a real name to a nic s harder than the face |
| 00:23.39 | Trel | yes, that's right |
| 00:23.56 | resuDaed | at the last meet, I couldn't remember people names so I went around calling people by their nicks |
| 00:24.11 | cupis | resuDaed: he |
| 00:24.16 | cupis | h |
| 00:24.32 | denivri | resuDaed: i do that all the time in #scotlug |
| 00:25.03 | Trel | though there are many people who use their nicknames as nicks |
| 00:25.19 | Trel | it's all terribly confusing |
| 00:25.23 | resuDaed | murble keeps calling me dead user |
| 00:25.29 | Trel | maybe we should just all use our NI numbers |
| 00:26.23 | JT798357B | that's me |
| 00:27.35 | JT798357B | cupis: I think experience next, then qualifications, then references ... anything I've missed? |
| 00:31.40 | resuDaed | ping all ... |
| 00:35.41 | Trel | pong? |
| 00:35.57 | resuDaed | ah, someone is still alive :) |
| 00:38.32 | Trel | still alive, trying to work out dates for London.pm meetings next year |
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| 00:38.56 | resuDaed | I'm trying to re-write the CSS in my online cv |
| 00:39.15 | resuDaed | highbury, you going to be around for a while? |
| 00:39.34 | Trel | talking of where nicks come from |
| 00:39.35 | highbury | hi resuDaed, sure |
| 00:39.46 | Trel | highbury, is your geographically based? |
| 00:40.22 | Trel | ah |
| 00:40.34 | resuDaed | just wondering if in a few minutes you'd be able to give my cv once over (with the job descriptions of the 4 positions I am applying for) |
| 00:40.44 | Trel | resuDaed: sure, np |
| 00:40.49 | highbury | sure |
| 00:40.52 | resuDaed | thanks |
| 00:41.21 | resuDaed | it is online at http://stolen.servehttp.com, that is the copy I am working on |
| 00:41.22 | highbury | just bear me in mind if there are any other places going :-) |
| 00:41.39 | resuDaed | :) these are mostly junior positions though highbury |
| 00:42.03 | resuDaed | the job descriptions are at /jobs.txt |
| 00:43.20 | Trel | no dob or age |
| 00:43.40 | murble | Trel: do you want people to discrimate on age grounds? |
| 00:43.50 | resuDaed | I am unsure whether to include it as I am only 18 |
| 00:44.00 | Trel | I'd want to know |
| 00:44.11 | resuDaed | that may put an employer off before tey even look at my knowledge |
| 00:44.29 | resuDaed | or if I'm any good for the job |
| 00:44.34 | murble | Trel: why? |
| 00:45.24 | Trel | murble: Because I want to see if this level of experienceis because they're young, or because they've not done muc |
| 00:45.51 | resuDaed | surley that is something that you'd find out at interview? |
| 00:46.12 | Trel | last job I interviewed for I has a stack of CVs this high |
| 00:46.21 | Trel | I binned 80% of them before interviews |
| 00:46.41 | Trel | but I still see your point |
| 00:46.43 | murble | Trel: "filed" |
| 00:46.43 | Trel | hard choice |
| 00:47.20 | Trel | resuDaed: If you've got working/admin experience of what you're talking about add those words in before "knowledge" |
| 00:47.53 | Trel | and change Experience to Proficent if that's the case too |
| 00:48.00 | resuDaed | I have working/admin experience, but not in a real-world situation beyond personal study |
| 00:48.10 | resuDaed | (with most of it) |
| 00:48.12 | Trel | so not working but admin |
| 00:48.17 | resuDaed | ok |
| 00:48.25 | resuDaed | give me a sec to finish the CSS :) |
| 00:48.33 | Trel | cos otherwise it could just mean you've used win98 somewhere ;-) |
| 00:48.40 | highbury | I think some further detail is needed in programming section |
| 00:49.09 | highbury | ie. to try and indicate whether you can just read code, or have actually written stuff |
| 00:49.10 | resuDaed | highbury: I'd have liked to put a lot more in the whole skills section, but I don't want to over dominate the cv |
| 00:49.48 | Trel | might want to say "mail servers" and "web servers" so that dumb HR people don't get confused |
| 00:49.56 | resuDaed | good point |
| 00:50.44 | highbury | also perhaps some indication (if you can make it) what size of site you've done work at |
| 00:51.05 | highbury | say, x servers with y clients |
| 00:51.24 | highbury | exposure to security is always good |
| 00:51.39 | resuDaed | 18 servers, 3-400 clients was the biggest (nt4 admin) |
| 00:52.06 | highbury | cool, say it! |
| 00:52.20 | highbury | it makes a difference |
| 00:52.44 | highbury | exposure to Windows Active Directory is good |
| 00:53.53 | highbury | more key Unix/Linux skills, e.g. mail (sendmail/postfix/etc), DNS, key infrastructure components |
| 00:54.24 | highbury | basic knowledge of networking, e.g. TCP/IP perhaps a bit of cabling |
| 00:54.45 | highbury | hardware skills (not afraid to take apart a PC) |
| 00:54.49 | resuDaed | ok, the site stuff will go under where I list the jobs themselves |
| 00:55.12 | murble | people apply for these jobs who are afraid to take things apart? |
| 00:55.24 | resuDaed | higbury, the problem is I am not sure how to actually include all of this |
| 00:55.47 | highbury | take a look at http://sageweb.sage.org/jobs/thefield/jobs-descriptions.html |
| 00:55.58 | highbury | it lists some key Unix skills |
| 00:56.54 | resuDaed | this is getting beyond easy readability in VI :) |
| 00:57.59 | murble | they all seem to think you need a degree in the sage list |
| 00:58.31 | highbury | yeah well, they are self-perpetuating snobs ;-) |
| 00:58.39 | resuDaed | :) |
| 01:00.21 | Trel | oh? What happened? |
| 01:01.27 | resuDaed | I was staying with an aunt and uncle, my aunt (being a 'self-perpetuating snob') didn't really appreciate my learning methods |
| 01:01.49 | murble | well if you have a degree years_of_experence -= 3; |
| 01:02.09 | resuDaed | (even though I was predicted 2 A's & 2 B's) I napparantly wasn't working hard enough |
| 01:02.26 | murble | prediced grades are fun. |
| 01:02.26 | resuDaed | she seemed to steriotype those who have fun in life |
| 01:02.31 | murble | s/prediced/predicted/ |
| 01:02.36 | resuDaed | these were the predicted grades after my mocks |
| 01:02.47 | resuDaed | (AS level) |
| 01:03.02 | resuDaed | anyway, she threw me out |
| 01:04.18 | Trel | a degree is a really important thing and I'll look for it on every CV, but it isn't the most important thing by a long way, and counts for not much after a few years. Last time I had a hand in hiring we chose the bloke that din't have one over the one that did |
| 01:07.28 | resuDaed | when I went for my first admin poosition, there were 2 of us left ... one fresh from uni (did a non computer related course, but thought he knew a lot) and me ... at the interview, the manager of the IT dept spent about 5 mins asking me the 'aukward questions', then spent over half an hour asking about my technical knowledge (bearing in mind I was 16 and straight from being kicked from college), then started asking me about a problem he h |
| 01:07.29 | resuDaed | me with his pc, the entire interview as over an hour in the end ... I got a phone call the next day saying that I had the job, and what I had told him had fixed his computer |
| 01:08.01 | resuDaed | if only it was always thateasy |
| 01:08.56 | resuDaed | I can't even remember what it was with his pc, but it was somehting unusual, and I'm sure that got me the job |
| 01:11.16 | murble | what do they actually do when they say they are watching ports of exist and airports for poeple? do they have an automiated system? do they look at passenger manifests? |
| 01:11.16 | resuDaed | highbury, Trel, whoever : how would I expand on the Programming/Windows stuff from that list? |
| 01:11.26 | resuDaed | as in physically expand it |
| 01:12.32 | Trel | I wouldn't. Key skills is meant to be short |
| 01:12.57 | Trel | shove (+n users, +n machines) after 'networking' |
| 01:13.53 | resuDaed | I was going to meantion it under the actual job |
| 01:14.24 | Trel | hmm, whatever works |
| 01:14.29 | Trel | you need to ballance both sections |
| 01:15.21 | resuDaed | that's the thing, balancing is'nt all that straight forward ... I havn't had that many jobs |
| 01:15.42 | resuDaed | (2 IT related to be exact, but the second involved a lot of on-site support) |
| 01:15.53 | Trel | hmm, tweak it a lot. Mention experience with dealing with users. Responsiblitiles you may have had |
| 01:16.19 | Trel | anyway it's getting a bit late for all tis |
| 01:16.23 | Trel | time for sleep. |
| 01:16.25 | resuDaed | ok |
| 01:16.35 | resuDaed | I'll be up for a few hours yet |
| 01:24.20 | resuDaed | anyone know how to get rid of white space around a <ul> tag? |
| 01:37.38 | highbury | in CSS? |
| 01:39.41 | highbury | usually it depends on what precedes or follows it. I don;t believe the spaces come from the <ul> tags |
| 01:40.36 | resuDaed | Currently it is preceeded by a closing font tag embedded in a <p> |
| 01:40.57 | resuDaed | if you look at the cv at the moment, you will see the problem |
| 01:43.46 | highbury | Your mixing closed and non-closed <p> tags |
| 01:44.12 | highbury | try sending it to w3c.org/validator |
| 01:44.15 | resuDaed | I have 1 unclosed I think, which I hadn't noticed |
| 01:44.21 | resuDaed | it passed the validator |
| 01:44.56 | highbury | move from Transitional to Strict (perhaps) |
| 01:47.02 | resuDaed | <br /> is part of the transition form HTML to XML ... it basically is for tags that don't have a starting and a closing tag, and there for to be parsed by as 100% 'xml compaitble' need a the / |
| 01:47.18 | highbury | cool |
| 01:47.24 | resuDaed | it's currently what they call 'good practice', eventually to become a requiremtn oin a few years |
| 01:47.41 | resuDaed | kind of lost it with the spelling towards the end of that line |
| 01:49.07 | highbury | "unix" should at least have a capital "U", also perhaps list specific variants. Solaris always looks good if you've had it |
| 01:49.27 | resuDaed | I havn't had it yet :( |
| 01:49.49 | highbury | so what other Unices? |
| 01:49.56 | resuDaed | FreeBSD |
| 01:50.07 | resuDaed | limited experience, but I can just about use it |
| 01:50.26 | highbury | ok, that's good to mention |
| 01:51.13 | highbury | sometimes, if your padding list specific Linux Distro's, its a conversation starter at least |
| 01:51.35 | resuDaed | you think as a 'sub' bullet point? |
| 01:51.43 | murble | highbury: and might be a good way of putting off your intervewer to start off with :) |
| 01:52.02 | resuDaed | a list of linux distros on one line, FreeBSD on anther? |
| 01:52.14 | murble | no, include freebsd on that list :) |
| 01:52.22 | resuDaed | ok |
| 01:53.19 | murble | hehe my CV still mentions OS/2 Lanserver :) |
| 01:54.05 | resuDaed | my last one still included DOS 6.2, it was a good seeling point that I could use windows from the shell |
| 01:54.07 | resuDaed | better? |
| 01:54.49 | murble | I'm wondering how wise it is to fill your CV with obcelete stuff |
| 01:55.05 | murble | I really used remove all mentions of wordperfect 5.1 as well |
| 01:55.42 | resuDaed | depends ... shows that you have experience in computing, but on the other hand, may give the impression that you are not particularly up to date |
| 01:55.51 | resuDaed | or looking for free padding |
| 01:56.12 | resuDaed | (I tend to use the CSS tag 'padding' to obtain free padding |
| 01:57.28 | resuDaed | I am writing in in HTML purley so that it can be exxported to other formats easily, plus pretty much everyone has a browser that will read it |
| 01:58.18 | resuDaed | and so that as an email attachment, I am not sending a word doc or whatever |
| 02:00.40 | skugg | highbury, and plain text. |
| 02:00.45 | resuDaed | in which case I can read it in OO.rg and save it as .doc |
| 02:00.56 | resuDaed | s/OO.rg/OO.org |
| 02:01.14 | highbury | s/Knowledge of Programming/Programming experience/ |
| 02:01.21 | murble | highbury: what happens if you send them a pdf? |
| 02:01.33 | murble | they just ignore you? |
| 02:01.47 | resuDaed | no, they go to the IT guy and ask whats a pdf |
| 02:02.08 | highbury | I usually send .doc format with the followup, that I can provide in in plain text, html, rtf and pdf |
| 02:02.31 | murble | it is quite funy when you have about 4 agencies advertising the same job, and you know where the original advert was form the company. |
| 02:02.49 | murble | why do agancies do this? especally when the orignal says strickly no agancies? |
| 02:02.56 | highbury | Put BASIC at bottom of list of languages :-) |
| 02:03.12 | skugg | murble, i tried to send pdf one place, but they refused. They want something they can edit i think... |
| 02:03.14 | resuDaed | :) |
| 02:03.22 | resuDaed | how do I cut and paste in VI? |
| 02:03.38 | murble | skugg: even if you give them a copy without contact details? |
| 02:04.09 | skugg | resuDaed, ESC v jkhl y to copy, p to paste |
| 02:05.29 | resuDaed | thanks (I am still relativly new to VI :) |
| 02:05.31 | skugg | murble, i don't know. this was automated webservice -- they accepted only word or plain text. i renamed a pdf to .doc, but stupid windows apps don't look at the content to find out what it really is, do they :P |
| 02:05.36 | skugg | so that didn't work. |
| 02:05.56 | murble | skugg: you're job hunting? |
| 02:05.58 | skugg | resuDaed, 'vimtutor' is good. |
| 02:06.02 | skugg | murble, i should be :) |
| 02:06.04 | highbury | resuDaed: use gvim |
| 02:06.19 | resuDaed | yeah well, you lot do the tutor bit very well |
| 02:06.39 | resuDaed | highbury: I am using VI because apparantly it's on almost all *n?x systems |
| 02:06.53 | murble | highbury: so you won't have seen the advert to uknot-jobs with a deadline ofthe 30th? |
| 02:07.23 | murble | http://www.tnsofres.com/careers/opp_item.cfm?id=794 |
| 02:07.49 | skugg | resuDaed, yeah. but you don't have to go trough the pain of using vi when you can use vim. you can get along just fine with the subset in plain ol' vi when you need it. |
| 02:08.33 | resuDaed | ah well, I'll try vim next time |
| 02:08.58 | murble | vim tends to do weird things when you talk to it as vi |
| 02:08.59 | resuDaed | vi isn't all that bad ... I just don't know everything I need to know about using it |
| 02:09.10 | resuDaed | :) |
| 02:09.17 | murble | because it is vim not vi. |
| 02:09.33 | highbury | vim is vi++ |
| 02:09.41 | highbury | or is that vii |
| 02:09.56 | skugg | murble, only if you do fancy stuffs with search and replace and stuffs.. and in nocompatibility mode... |
| 02:10.12 | skugg | vim in compatibility mode reproduces the bugs of vi too. |
| 02:12.12 | highbury | learning basic vi commands (which is basically "ex"), regular expressions, m and t commands, ! commands |
| 02:13.02 | murble | skugg: I'd argue that vim should be in compatibilty mode when called as vi |
| 02:13.27 | highbury | I always thought it was |
| 02:15.01 | skugg | murble, true. |
| 02:17.24 | resuDaed | my current cv @ http://stolen.servehttp.com if youd like to give opinions |
| 02:17.35 | resuDaed | (it is incomplete as I am still writing it) |
| 02:19.49 | murble | Expierience |
| 02:20.08 | resuDaed | that's the bit I am writing at the moment (and having great difficulty writing) |
| 02:20.55 | resuDaed | I have had only 2 real computer jobs ... and I am trying to think of everything I can list under them |
| 02:21.30 | resuDaed | (not got very far) |
| 02:21.44 | murble | resuDaed: qMail |
| 02:22.07 | resuDaed | yes? |
| 02:22.31 | murble | I don't think I've seen it capatalised like that before. |
| 02:22.52 | resuDaed | sorry, it is my dodgy typing conventions ... too much programming |
| 02:23.04 | murble | Certainly D*J*B seems to just say q*m*a*i*l |
| 02:23.25 | resuDaed | eh? |
| 02:24.23 | murble | the author of said mta sometimes does the kibo thing. |
| 02:42.31 | murble | finacial |
| 02:42.39 | resuDaed | ooh, still only 1 page |
| 02:44.57 | resuDaed | although padding out the jobs and adding references should ge tit up to around 1/12 |
| 02:45.05 | resuDaed | (1 1/2) |
| 02:50.46 | resuDaed | :) |
| 02:50.54 | resuDaed | think I've done enough cv for tonight |
| 02:52.59 | resuDaed | think I'll get a drink, go out for a cigarette, then go to bed |
| 02:53.36 | resuDaed | if any of you see me in here tomorrow, can you *PLEASE* remind me to pay my parking ticket :-) |
| 02:53.51 | resuDaed | if I don't pay by tomorrow, I'll have to pay double |
| 02:54.07 | resuDaed | (30/60) |
| 02:54.33 | resuDaed | tomorrow = today during civilised hours |
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| 09:29.28 | dank_work | Morning |
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| 09:34.13 | zachary | Good morning! |
| 09:45.48 | dank_work | Cheery today? |
| 09:47.44 | highbury | morning |
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| 10:04.50 | winjer | hiya |
| 10:16.06 | dank_work | Yeuch. Bloody slow Dell Swervers |
| 10:28.21 | dank_work | Right. how easy is it to resize ext2 partitions? |
| 10:35.04 | winjer | parted can do it |
| 10:35.08 | winjer | never tried it tho |
| 10:35.22 | dank_work | Okay... |
| 10:35.33 | dank_work | Thanks |
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| 10:39.31 | dank_work | hi formi |
| 10:39.41 | formi | morning |
| 10:40.09 | formi | any news from murble today? |
| 10:40.36 | dank_work | I think he was heading towards Stanstead |
| 10:40.52 | formi | where is he going? |
| 10:40.56 | dank_work | Not sure |
| 10:41.47 | formi | i'll send him an email |
| 10:42.09 | dank_work | okay |
| 10:43.00 | formi | he said he has quite a few nic dongles, i want to ask him to have a few |
| 10:43.18 | dank_work | Ah okay |
| 10:44.01 | formi | for testing purposes |
| 10:44.39 | formi | i was going to try to say something about having a junk-swap-fest at the next install fest |
| 10:44.55 | formi | but I don't think it is a very good idea |
| 10:45.04 | dank_work | why not? |
| 10:45.33 | formi | the security guys won't like us comming with too much hardware |
| 10:46.19 | formi | we could post a list of our wares on the wiki side of the gllug site and then arrange privately for that day |
| 10:46.41 | dank_work | yeah |
| 10:56.56 | zachary | formi: could book the downstairs of The Green Man for the swap meet. We don't have to use the Uni. |
| 10:57.27 | formi | everything is possibe |
| 10:57.39 | formi | s/possibe/possible |
| 10:58.00 | formi | but i don't want to mix alcohol and hardware |
| 10:58.47 | formi | personally |
| 10:59.58 | formi | i think the best way of doing it would be to have the articles for swap listed somewhere public and then go straight to the point |
| 11:00.36 | formi | im not up for carrying stuff and then have to go back with it |
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| 12:36.44 | dank_work | Afternoon |
| 12:37.54 | cupis | afternoon |
| 12:37.58 | cupis | having fun at work? |
| 12:45.38 | dank_work | Not really |
| 12:45.44 | dank_work | Bored. |
| 12:46.30 | dank_work | Installed Smoothwall, but trying to resize/move the partitions |
| 12:48.47 | cupis | after installing? |
| 12:48.52 | dank_work | yeah |
| 12:49.01 | cupis | isn't that the wrong way round? |
| 12:50.18 | cupis | I'm bored, but at least I'm not at work :) |
| 12:57.45 | dank_work | No. Smoothwall takes over the entire disk |
| 12:57.56 | dank_work | Well, I'm off to the pub for an hour or so |
| 12:58.03 | cupis | ah |
| 12:58.21 | dank_work | See you later |
| 12:58.44 | cupis | yeah, see you later |
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| 13:16.24 | peterpetro | hi all |
| 13:18.08 | peterpetro | we are two new linux users looking for a local (Bromley kent ) user group, is there one ? |
| 13:18.27 | highbury | dank_work: I've found that PM 8.0 doesn't like Smoothwall partitioning :-( |
| 13:18.57 | highbury | check out http://www.lug.org.uk |
| 13:19.40 | peterpetro | Thanks highbury |
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| 14:10.36 | dank_work | It's hot here |
| 14:13.46 | highbury | check under the floor panels |
| 14:14.18 | dank_work | Not a raised floor here |
| 14:15.14 | highbury | dank_work: did you see my message about PM/Smoothwall |
| 14:15.25 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 14:15.33 | dank_work | I'm fiddling with parted |
| 14:15.38 | dank_work | It's not the nicest thing in the world |
| 14:17.00 | highbury | maybe a bootable Mandrake disk, using Drakmumble |
| 14:17.17 | dank_work | Nah. parted. I need to do evil things |
| 14:21.40 | davilion | heh |
| 14:21.44 | davilion | afternoon all |
| 14:22.06 | davilion | yuk, i hate the taste of film developer. |
| 14:22.21 | davilion | i cant seem to get it off my hands. |
| 14:22.28 | dank_work | Don't lick your hands |
| 14:23.18 | davilion | heh |
| 14:23.29 | davilion | i keep biting my nails. :)( |
| 14:23.36 | dank_work | Bad :) |
| 14:23.39 | davilion | yeah |
| 14:23.43 | dank_work | DDTT |
| 14:24.04 | davilion | im going to go play with engines soon, that will change the taste to oil which is marginally nicer. |
| 14:25.04 | dank_work | What about just washing your hands? |
| 14:25.57 | davilion | tried that, its not easy to get out. |
| 14:26.04 | davilion | negs came out nciely though |
| 14:26.34 | davilion | took some ages ago, playing around with infra red film and bw film, stood on westminster bridge, and took some late at night |
| 14:27.34 | dank_work | Cool |
| 14:27.59 | davilion | and one west than westminster bridge too. |
| 14:29.44 | dank_work | cool |
| 14:29.55 | dank_work | Are you going to scan them and put them online? |
| 14:31.25 | davilion | yeah as soon as i get a negative scanner |
| 14:31.40 | davilion | im trying to borrow one, i've got loads of reels i want scanner but im not doing them by hand it takes so long |
| 14:31.52 | dank_work | spend some money :) |
| 14:31.57 | davilion | heheh |
| 14:32.05 | davilion | yeah i'm tempted, but its like 400 quid for a decent one |
| 14:34.57 | dank_work | Aren't you earning? |
| 14:35.13 | davilion | yeah |
| 14:35.19 | davilion | but thats a LOT of money to me still. |
| 14:35.34 | dank_work | Well yeah. It is |
| 14:35.53 | davilion | besides im trying to save money since my jobs not that secure and i also want to be able to afford my own bunker sometime soon |
| 14:37.51 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:38.04 | dank_work | Sure...if you can find out |
| 14:40.37 | dank_work | *find one |
| 14:41.41 | davilion | heh |
| 14:42.03 | dank_work | oh yeah |
| 14:42.10 | dank_work | I was playing with parted. Not reading Garfield |
| 14:42.39 | davilion | http://www.thebunker.net/ |
| 14:42.40 | davilion | you could rent some rack space :) |
| 14:42.53 | dank_work | It's not the same |
| 15:01.30 | davilion | finally fixed my generator |
| 15:01.31 | dank_work | Yes, very nice :) |
| 15:02.54 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:04.03 | davilion | it had a problem so when yous tarted it, you got lots of smoke, and it ran very rough, plugging things in wasnt a good idea. |
| 15:04.27 | davilion | then after it warmed up it just cut out, but the knob for the choke wasnt turning the actual choke on or off |
| 15:04.35 | davilion | it works a lot better now :) |
| 15:04.44 | davilion | noisy as a very noisy thing though |
| 15:05.13 | dank_work | A very very noisy thing? |
| 15:07.48 | davilion | yeah i couldntr think of anything similar in noise. |
| 15:08.07 | davilion | but its rather loud, i may need to make another silencer or 2 for it. |
| 15:08.07 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:08.13 | dank_work | Heh |
| 15:08.30 | davilion | the whine from the turbine isnt too bad but the actuall engine noise is awful, its just a baby wee thing |
| 15:08.49 | dank_work | Padding! :) |
| 15:09.04 | davilion | its not realy important since its only likely to be used at the racing track |
| 15:09.12 | dank_work | Okay |
| 15:09.40 | davilion | heh yeah. its actually mounted on rubber bushes so theres fairly little vibrations |
| 15:10.36 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:11.13 | davilion | Honda(tm) Louder than an athlon but only half as hot. |
| 15:11.22 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:21.42 | dank_work | Urgh. Doing partitioning stuff takes a long time |
| 15:46.03 | dank_work | hum |
| 15:46.19 | dank_work | Why can't Smoothwall be friendly about partitioning? |
| 17:12.55 | highbury | Smoothwall isn't really intended for dual-boot configurations |
| 17:13.18 | highbury | it does what is says on the box. Its a Firewall device |
| 17:14.42 | highbury | did you install the 2.0 version? |
| 17:26.42 | dank_work | Nope |
| 17:26.46 | dank_work | The 1.0* GPL |
| 17:26.56 | dank_work | Spent a few hours with parted, and it works |
| 17:27.12 | dank_work | So I've got it dual-booting OpenBSD and Smoothwall |
| 17:27.26 | dank_work | Anyway, I'm off home |
| 17:27.27 | dank_work | Byee |
| 18:48.10 | murble | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:04.14 | briaman | hello |
| 19:06.11 | briaman | I feel like I've walked into a room full of people and they've all gone silent |
| 19:13.47 | briaman | ok - I guess I'll come back later |
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| 20:34.32 | resUdaed | eveing all, or are all doing smething far more interesting? |
| 20:39.35 | zachary | evening resUdaed. |
| 20:41.53 | resUdaed | ah, life |
| 20:42.42 | zachary | wouldn't expect to much tell after the new year. |
| 20:43.03 | zachary | how's the holidays for you? |
| 20:43.32 | resUdaed | could be worse ... I might not have even had a tenner to my name |
| 20:44.02 | resUdaed | you? |
| 20:44.52 | zachary | Not bad. Parents baught me a nice watch. I really needed a new one bad. I was permanently stuck on daylight savings time. |
| 20:46.04 | resUdaed | I could do with a watch, my concept of time is appaling at the moment, and when I start working again, that could be a problem |
| 20:48.45 | zachary | Yes, it would be a good investment. I never had a problem of showing up late. I was mortified by one of those dreams where you walk into a classroom not only nude, but late as well. Never had a problem since. |
| 20:51.50 | resUdaed | I am the opposite ... never had that dream (could be my problem) ... but with a new job, a new flat and a little (probably not a huge amount) of money in my pocket/bank, perhaps I'll not be so bad |
| 20:52.19 | resUdaed | or maybe I just need caffine in the morning |
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| 23:19.31 | resUdaed | is an md5 hash sufficiant for a password file? |
| 23:20.10 | highbury | anything is sufficient, unless somebody can get at the shadow file |
| 23:20.25 | highbury | or rather the encrypted password |
| 23:20.50 | highbury | md5 algorthm mostly just allows passwords longer than 8 chars |
| 23:24.33 | resUdaed | thanks |
| 23:24.49 | highbury | but md5 is cooler :-) |
| 23:26.55 | resUdaed | is the algorithm publicly available? |
| 23:32.48 | highbury | yep |
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