| 00:21.42 | skugg | eye69, try arch! |
| 00:22.29 | skugg | http://www.fifthvision.net/open/bin/view/Arch |
| 00:23.43 | skugg | arch rocks for revision control. |
| 00:24.19 | skugg | little immature yet, but much more mature than subversion afaik. |
| 00:24.29 | skugg | (is subversion even self-hosting? |
| 00:24.31 | skugg | ) |
| 00:25.31 | skugg | ah, just :P |
| 00:36.57 | Jenson | hey skugg BTW |
| 00:38.07 | skugg | hey Jenson |
| 00:38.20 | dankolb | hi skugg |
| 00:38.28 | dankolb | Are you Gllugging next week? |
| 00:38.30 | skugg | hi dankolb |
| 00:38.35 | skugg | i'm not sure. |
| 00:38.57 | Jenson | skugg: Sleeping might help you actually remember some of it. |
| 00:39.01 | skugg | the topics don't really interest me, and I have exams on monday, tuesday and wednesday.... |
| 00:39.27 | zimm | skugg: what topics ? |
| 00:39.34 | skugg | Jenson, yeah. I know. but I got up at about 2, so I can't sleep yet :P |
| 00:39.46 | Jenson | skugg: That makes sense |
| 00:39.47 | skugg | zimm, for gllug? or my exams? |
| 00:40.00 | zimm | exams |
| 00:40.18 | skugg | neural nets this monday |
| 00:40.49 | skugg | natural language processing, knowlegde aquisation and operating systems design next week |
| 00:42.10 | Jenson | indistinguishable...thats almost as bad as antiestablishmentarianism |
| 00:42.33 | zimm | flockynokineopilification |
| 00:42.44 | zimm | even |
| 00:42.48 | dankolb | or not quite :) |
| 00:43.17 | zimm | lol .. |
| 00:44.38 | formi | there are some "knowledgeable" people who say "the more advanced a language is the more words you need to say the same thing" |
| 00:45.03 | Jenson | English is a terrible example of a million words for one thing |
| 00:45.17 | dankolb | And terrible for spelling consistency too |
| 00:45.29 | zimm | it is when i use it :- |
| 00:45.29 | zimm | 0 |
| 00:46.02 | zimm | danke schon |
| 00:46.16 | skugg | Jenson, yet sometimes it mysteriously lack the right word -- I only remember one specific though. |
| 00:46.17 | Jenson | bitte schon? (even though i didnt donate it lol) |
| 00:46.29 | dankolb | bitte schoen |
| 00:46.38 | Jenson | skugg: Oh I'm great at that...I know what it starts with lol |
| 00:46.45 | cupis | night all |
| 00:46.46 | Jenson | dankolb: Dont correct my lack of umlauts |
| 00:46.50 | Jenson | night cupis |
| 00:47.01 | dankolb | It's important, though, sometimes |
| 00:47.14 | formi | what I don't like a lot about spanish and english is that I need many more words to say the same thing but less preciselly |
| 00:47.19 | skugg | Jenson, i mean, english have no single word to describe "stuff to put on bread" -- norwegian has. |
| 00:47.33 | dankolb | butter? |
| 00:47.40 | zimm | spread ? |
| 00:47.41 | Jenson | skugg: But there are so many things to put on bread.... |
| 00:47.57 | formi | in other countries we prefer to know what we put on it |
| 00:47.57 | skugg | zimm, spread doesn't cover ham and cheese |
| 00:48.43 | zimm | skugg: true ,, |
| 00:49.16 | skugg | Jenson, yeah. but we're lazy. we can just say "get the paalegg", and everybody knows that what you want them to do is empty the content of the fridge on the breakfast table :P |
| 00:49.28 | dankolb | :) |
| 00:49.29 | Jenson | skugg: What a great language! |
| 00:49.53 | skugg | Jenson, *cough* that's a bit strong. we're behind in many other places. |
| 00:50.42 | formi | like healthy eating |
| 00:51.19 | Jenson | I wanna say Benecol...but I don't think thats Norway |
| 00:51.50 | formi | Benecal is a lie with a lot money behind |
| 00:52.16 | formi | well actually they say "it *might* be beneficial" |
| 00:52.17 | Jenson | I eat olive oil speead anywya |
| 00:52.25 | dankolb | Olivio? |
| 00:52.28 | Jenson | ^spread anyway |
| 00:52.30 | Jenson | yeah that one |
| 00:52.40 | dankolb | That's what I have. I still prefer butter, though |
| 00:52.48 | formi | that oil is fu* expensive |
| 00:53.17 | Jenson | I like butter.....but it'd make me fat if I eat too much |
| 00:53.23 | formi | zim you mean something that doesn't kill you on the spot |
| 00:53.26 | formi | ? |
| 00:53.30 | dankolb | You're not in the least bit fat, though |
| 00:53.52 | zimm | formi: if it can eb eaten , and doesnt result in death in the short term , I eat it .. |
| 00:53.52 | formi | thanks dank |
| 00:54.08 | dankolb | :) |
| 00:54.35 | formi | zimm: enjoying what you eat might prolonge your life |
| 00:55.15 | formi | i might be jesus as well, |
| 00:55.18 | zimm | formi: abandoning all concepts of linear time might as well .. |
| 00:55.42 | formi | wasn't time curviliear? |
| 00:55.48 | formi | wasn't time curvilinear? |
| 00:56.11 | zimm | personally i cant imagine anything more hideous than being 80 years old senile and incontinent .. |
| 00:56.18 | Leeds | we bow and worship before you, Son of God |
| 00:56.26 | formi | being g.bush? |
| 00:56.50 | Jenson | Leeds: What do the atheists do? |
| 00:56.52 | dankolb | What makes you so sure, Jenson? |
| 00:56.57 | formi | leeds, you might return under the stone you were under |
| 00:57.38 | Leeds | you don't want to f-f-f-fade away? |
| 00:57.55 | formi | seriously though, there was a funny article about the mormons in that place they had the winter olimpics |
| 00:58.02 | formi | in the observer |
| 00:58.23 | Jenson | dankolb: You think with an attitude like mine I'll survive til I'm old? |
| 00:58.45 | Leeds | well, they do say that only the good die young... |
| 00:59.07 | Jenson | I'm good! |
| 00:59.12 | Jenson | Not sure what at.... |
| 00:59.13 | formi | so it doesn't apply to me |
| 00:59.19 | dankolb | Jenson: Yeah, because your attitude isn't going to kill you; maybe just hurt you |
| 00:59.30 | formi | in my place they say "bad weed never dies" |
| 00:59.30 | Jenson | dankolb: True |
| 00:59.52 | zimm | Jenson: yeh , youll just end up in a wheelchair , paralysed , and unable to finish the job ..live to 129 lol |
| 01:00.16 | formi | and my dad says "He who for pleasure dies, even death enjoys" |
| 01:01.06 | Jenson | zimm: I'll get you to help me.... |
| 01:01.31 | zimm | heh |
| 01:01.53 | zimm | thats easy , just get me to give you a lift |
| 01:02.56 | Jenson | :) |
| 01:03.28 | skugg | someone post something interesting to gllug... I'm bored. |
| 01:03.35 | zimm | lol |
| 01:04.01 | Jenson | I would if I could think of something skugg |
| 01:04.46 | skugg | maybe i'm out of the blue should chastise someone for making a trolling post :P |
| 01:04.47 | zimm | lol, tell them the meeting has moved to the 19th :-), that'll start something off |
| 01:04.48 | formi | skugg: you could post all the words for snow in your language and their description |
| 01:05.22 | Jenson | I was about to write about snow in French....but can't remember the word for not |
| 01:05.31 | skugg | formi, there's not _that_ many... we counted 13 if you don't count all the slang :) |
| 01:05.34 | dankolb | pas |
| 01:05.42 | formi | i enjoy reading those kinds of things |
| 01:05.42 | Jenson | oh yeah |
| 01:06.03 | Jenson | Il fait froid ici, mais il ne pas neige. |
| 01:06.20 | skugg | inuitt (eskimo) has about 65 words for snow, but not a single word for war. (or at least it didn't -- it's probably added now) |
| 01:06.21 | dankolb | il ne neige pas |
| 01:06.28 | skugg | s,t,, |
| 01:06.57 | dankolb | :) |
| 01:07.01 | zimm | lol |
| 01:07.16 | Jenson | :) |
| 01:07.22 | formi | having war in the polar circle doesn't seem a easy thing |
| 01:07.43 | zimm | specially english apparently |
| 01:07.46 | zimm | :-( |
| 01:07.49 | Jenson | I got the highest grades in the class on the speaking tapes in french |
| 01:07.54 | Jenson | my english is shit |
| 01:08.01 | dankolb | yeah, it is a bit |
| 01:08.01 | Jenson | my gramm*a*r is shit |
| 01:08.05 | dankolb | :) |
| 01:08.11 | dankolb | Well done. |
| 01:08.16 | formi | I'm so bad at languages that after 5 years in london my english is worse than when I got here |
| 01:08.23 | dankolb | Well, that's just London |
| 01:08.24 | zimm | formi: heh |
| 01:08.34 | zimm | formi: trie glasgow ! |
| 01:08.37 | Jenson | I kept speaking in a highclass accent today which meant saying 'fucking' instead of 'fuckin' |
| 01:08.39 | formi | I should get a prize for that |
| 01:08.47 | Jenson | formi: I have that influence on exchange students |
| 01:09.00 | Jenson | My english is worse than it was when i was 8 I should think lol |
| 01:09.03 | Jenson | I blame the net |
| 01:09.31 | formi | I went once to edinbrough and found this bloke with and strong half asian-scottish accent, awesome |
| 01:09.37 | Jenson | Ahhhh, it's time to disconnect and go to sleep |
| 01:09.39 | Jenson | night guys |
| 01:09.44 | dankolb | night |
| 01:09.49 | zimm | formi: yeh , its quite quite scary taht one |
| 01:09.54 | formi | night |
| 01:09.56 | zimm | laters Jenson |
| 01:10.00 | Jenson | night dankolb |
| 01:10.04 | Jenson | night zimm |
| 01:10.04 | skugg | night |
| 01:10.09 | Jenson | night skugg |
| 01:10.14 | Jenson | night formi |
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| 01:10.44 | eye69 | My english is a bit crappy too, but at least I've got an excuse. |
| 01:11.42 | formi | which one? that you are to tall to hear people |
| 01:11.43 | formi | ? |
| 01:11.50 | zimm | lol |
| 01:12.00 | eye69 | ? :) |
| 01:12.16 | eye69 | I'm not that tall |
| 01:12.30 | formi | you are taller than me |
| 01:12.41 | zimm | eye69: how tall is *not that tall* ? |
| 01:12.53 | eye69 | About 2m |
| 01:12.56 | formi | Leeds: who gave you ops? |
| 01:13.04 | eye69 | The op fairy |
| 01:13.28 | eye69 | The op fairy must've been a drunk op fairy at the time :) |
| 01:14.10 | formi | I used to spend more time than leeds in the channel, it is unfair |
| 01:14.13 | skugg | quite nice, listening to it now. |
| 01:14.31 | skugg | must have been mom that picked it out -- my dad's taste in music should be illigal :P |
| 01:14.35 | Leeds | formi: had it for a long time |
| 01:14.46 | eye69 | formi: Not being english is a good excuse in my boox |
| 01:14.48 | eye69 | book even |
| 01:14.55 | formi | leeds:define long time |
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| 01:15.32 | eye69 | I sense the smell of cat fight spreading in the air |
| 01:15.35 | Leeds | months? |
| 01:15.48 | formi | speakinga natively only logical languages tends to be mine |
| 01:17.05 | formi | I remenber Colin offering ops some time ago, don't remenber why I didn't apply |
| 01:17.36 | skugg | formi, why do you want it? |
| 01:17.44 | skugg | with op comes responsibility... |
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| 01:18.01 | Leeds | I very very rarely use it - and only ever jokingly... |
| 01:18.32 | formi | i don't really want ops, I had ops in #english-chat in spain, but I was quite quick kicking people out, so I gave up |
| 01:19.24 | formi | there were too many people speaking other non allowed languages |
| 01:19.40 | Leeds | I've never needed to use it here... |
| 01:20.26 | formi | it is not a high traffic channel |
| 01:20.43 | formi | ups, phone, brb |
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| 01:28.31 | zimm | gone quiet in here all of a sudden .. |
| 01:28.47 | dankolb | it has |
| 01:29.19 | formi | im back |
| 01:29.28 | formi | it is unbelievable |
| 01:29.37 | dankolb | what? |
| 01:30.03 | formi | between this morning and now I have emptied two mobile phone batteries |
| 01:30.20 | dankolb | You talked a lot on the phone then? |
| 01:30.32 | formi | people who have not talked to me for years have phoned me today |
| 01:30.54 | dankolb | ah :) |
| 01:31.01 | dankolb | nothign wrong with that, is therE? |
| 01:31.17 | formi | appart from the radiation no |
| 01:31.26 | dankolb | :) |
| 01:31.29 | zimm | lol, rtue |
| 01:32.34 | dankolb | Anyway, I should be off to bed |
| 01:32.36 | dankolb | 'night everyone |
| 01:33.03 | zimm | laters dankolb |
| 02:01.04 | zimm | hmm |
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| 02:15.31 | formi | hey highbury |
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| 02:17.17 | skugg | ah.. another cockroach on his way to cokcroach heaven :) |
| 02:17.47 | skugg | s,kc,ck, |
| 02:17.52 | formi | are you sure it was a good cockroach? |
| 02:18.08 | skugg | the way it died, it deserve it :P |
| 02:18.09 | formi | there are some very evil ones |
| 02:18.30 | skugg | oh i'm sure all are evil. |
| 02:18.40 | formi | you might phone pest control company |
| 02:18.50 | skugg | yeah, we should. |
| 02:18.52 | formi | s/might/shoul |
| 02:18.58 | formi | s/might/should |
| 02:19.11 | formi | where there is one there could be millions |
| 02:19.17 | skugg | we just discovered it was roaches though |
| 02:19.38 | skugg | and they've multiplied over christmas it seems... |
| 02:19.41 | skugg | not good. |
| 02:19.42 | formi | have you found the bits in the pc fan? |
| 02:20.32 | formi | a friend of mine has a house far in the countrise with an old pc |
| 02:20.41 | skugg | no. but the one I just killed scared me half to death, suddenly just crawling onto my keyboard |
| 02:21.01 | formi | and it appeard with a wasps nest once |
| 02:21.30 | formi | he didn't enjoy switching it on and sending them crazy |
| 02:21.43 | skugg | that's why we didn't think it was roaches for some time, they're not as afraid of light as i'd imagine |
| 02:22.37 | skugg | wasps I can handle: dress up in skiing gear and take out their nest. roaches are a bit worse... |
| 02:22.53 | formi | in argentina they have a very good way of getting rid of them and they use it for wood termites as well |
| 02:23.43 | formi | the just cover every window, door and hole in the house and throw some kind of poison gas bomb, and leave it for a few days |
| 02:24.28 | formi | some people wonder afterwards what happened to the canary or the cat |
| 02:25.30 | murble | good morning? |
| 02:25.45 | formi | morning yes, good could be |
| 02:25.50 | formi | hiya |
| 02:26.52 | formi | hey I managed to get a 3com 3c589d-combo for 15 quid in cex |
| 02:27.44 | skugg | formi, yeah, but Idon't have anywhere to live in the meantime. |
| 02:27.45 | murble | cool, i didn't think it would be worth worrying about dongles, although i bought my 3com for 5 quid for the card and 5 quid for the dongle at a warehouse on worshipstreet |
| 02:28.02 | skugg | probably best to try something environmentally friendly first anyway. |
| 02:28.04 | murble | skugg: what is the outisde temp in lonodn atm? |
| 02:28.06 | formi | is spain is forbidden by law |
| 02:28.25 | murble | can we quote you on that? |
| 02:28.44 | formi | i have a thermometer outside |
| 02:28.46 | murble | <formi> ..."spain is forbidden by law" |
| 02:29.01 | skugg | murble, don't know |
| 02:29.05 | formi | they are putting the cheeky girls on top of the pops |
| 02:29.15 | skugg | formi, i can understand why. |
| 02:29.33 | formi | probably beacuse of the posion |
| 02:29.48 | formi | s/posion/poison |
| 02:31.29 | formi | minus 2C |
| 02:32.29 | formi | murble: -2C is the outside temperature |
| 10:13.02 | highbury | morning |
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| 10:57.40 | pdr | hello |
| 10:57.51 | Leeds | hi |
| 10:58.14 | Leeds | I'm just e-mailing you (and the rest of the group) |
| 10:58.22 | pdr | that sucks about the tickets.. |
| 10:59.01 | Leeds | yeah |
| 10:59.30 | Leeds | you okay paying £87? |
| 11:00.19 | Leeds | it's still cheaper than another night in Brussels, but you miss, well, another night in Brussels :-) |
| 11:01.24 | pdr | :) |
| 11:01.30 | pdr | yep, 87 is ok |
| 11:01.45 | Leeds | okay, cool... later or earlier? |
| 11:01.54 | Leeds | i.e. 1756 or 19?? |
| 11:01.58 | pdr | i'd prefer later myself, but i don't mind really |
| 11:02.24 | pdr | i can almost walk home from waterloo now :) |
| 11:03.11 | Leeds | well, I'm on the Northern Line, so it's no problem for me |
| 11:03.24 | pdr | how many of us are there this time? |
| 11:04.00 | Leeds | I dunno how many people there are on agk's list, but there are 5 (including you and me) for Friday->Sunday travel at this point |
| 11:04.46 | pdr | cool. actually is that 87 each way? |
| 11:04.49 | pdr | or total? |
| 11:05.23 | Leeds | that's the return price |
| 11:05.41 | pdr | ok, cool |
| 11:19.59 | Tarragon | there are twenty on the list |
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| 12:08.55 | cupis | afternoon dan |
| 12:08.57 | dankolb | Afternoon |
| 12:09.12 | Tarragon | Afternoon |
| 12:09.34 | Leeds | hey |
| 12:09.47 | zimm | hehe |
| 12:10.44 | dankolb | Argh. |
| 12:12.14 | dankolb | I guess the more expensive train is going to have to be booked :-/ |
| 12:12.26 | Leeds | hang on |
| 12:16.39 | Tarragon | What time is the train back and have you booked yet? |
| 12:18.42 | Leeds | hmmm.... |
| 12:19.13 | Leeds | just had a long chat with Dean (called to make sure he was going and when he was planning to travel)... and he's partly pesuaded me towards the Monday return... |
| 12:20.14 | Leeds | now I'm confused :-( |
| 12:20.44 | cupis | Leeds: stick with Sunday :) You weren't confused until Dean turned you :) |
| 12:21.06 | Leeds | yeah, but... the idea of actually spending some time in Brussels is very tempting... |
| 12:22.00 | Tarragon | I stayed for the Sunday last time. It turned into a linux beer walk meeting which although some beer was a eight hour tech roundtable talk. First time I saw a Yopy and iPaq being used to show code in a pub. |
| 12:22.56 | Leeds | lbw meeting doesn't interest me... |
| 12:24.42 | murble | leeds: why not? |
| 12:25.06 | murble | Leeds: the pre fosem events have traditinoally been lbw events. |
| 12:25.25 | Leeds | in the sense that I've not done (and don't want to do) lbw, so I don't know the people |
| 12:25.51 | murble | Leeds: you don't like a friendly pissup? |
| 12:26.21 | dankolb | I'm off for food - I'll catch y'all later |
| 12:26.29 | Leeds | sure... |
| 12:33.28 | Leeds | your point? |
| 12:35.34 | murble | conme to the prefosdem drinks :) |
| 12:36.05 | Leeds | of course... I did last year... |
| 12:36.49 | murble | yeah, so minilbw drinks aren't that bad :) |
| 12:37.16 | murble | I've got to try and phone boss to see if i will be in luxembourg the week before or after fosdem |
| 12:40.26 | Tarragon | Given the option this year I would prefer to come back on the Sunday night. Only because it is easier work wise for me. If the majority are staying then I will gladly stay. Last year we went out on 12:30 train on Friday. Do we want an earlier one this year? |
| 12:41.06 | cupis | Tarragon: I think the current thinking is to the the 1027 from Waterloo |
| 12:41.07 | Leeds | I like the idea of the 1027 on Friday, so we get to Brussels with a bit of time to get the hotel and relax a bit before going out |
| 12:41.59 | Tarragon | OK that looks like three of us for the 10:27 out anyway. |
| 12:42.13 | pdr | 4? |
| 12:42.15 | cupis | Tarragon: dan too, maybe jenson |
| 12:43.23 | pdr | and agk makes 6.5 |
| 12:44.38 | cupis | Hotel Ibis seems to have the same charge for Fri-Sun and for Fri-Mon. |
| 12:44.52 | skugg | ah, fosdem planning here now? |
| 12:45.00 | pdr | skugg: yep |
| 12:45.09 | cupis | skugg: yeah, still :) |
| 12:45.56 | cupis | "Rates are based on double occupancy per room, and are quoted on a nightly basis unless otherwise specified." duh! |
| 12:46.30 | skugg | i shouln't have any problem going early on friday |
| 12:46.34 | skugg | 7.5 |
| 12:46.37 | skugg | :) |
| 12:46.46 | pdr | is vincent not coming this year? |
| 12:46.53 | skugg | dunno |
| 12:47.04 | pdr | he's been a bit quiet lately.. |
| 12:47.11 | Tarragon | agk is going to be really upset being only considered 0.5 |
| 12:47.19 | Leeds | vince is coming |
| 12:47.45 | pdr | Tarragon: :) that was the maybe |
| 12:48.12 | cupis | Tarragon: I think jenson was the maybe/0.5 |
| 12:48.50 | pdr | i'm not sure fosdem would be much fun for a newbie... |
| 12:50.03 | cupis | ah, got to go. BBL |
| 12:54.55 | murble | pdr: depends if they like drinking or not. |
| 12:55.39 | pdr | oath |
| 12:56.40 | pdr | gotta save those coding brain cells |
| 13:06.34 | Leeds | pdr: I agree re: newbies... not sure it's right |
| 13:14.40 | Leeds | oh! agk seems to have booked... on the 0827 on Friday! Ugh... |
| 13:16.28 | Leeds | hmm... looking at a car which comes with "R.A.I.D (Renault Anti Intruder Device)" |
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| 13:19.36 | Tarragon | 8:30 - Oh god please say it is not so! Fighting with commuters to get to Waterloo on a Friday - shudders at horror |
| 13:20.33 | Leeds | god - I didn't even think of it being the rush hour, just that it would mean getting up really early... particularly if you're coming in from Reading, I would imagine |
| 13:22.52 | Tarragon | 7am train from Reading - Paddington for 7:30am. Waterloo at 8am |
| 13:23.06 | Leeds | well, we always knew he was mad :-) |
| 13:23.20 | Tarragon | agk: you are mad! |
| 13:24.37 | Tarragon | OK I need to go look at a car to buy. Back this evening. If anyone is group booking then count me in and leave a message here, otherwise I will be back tonight. |
| 13:26.30 | Leeds | Tarragon: me too - looking at cars online right now |
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| 14:41.52 | Axel | hi all |
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| 15:07.39 | formi | hiya |
| 15:08.07 | formi | who is using xchat here? appart from Leeds |
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| 15:13.50 | formi | hey cupis |
| 15:14.00 | cupis | hi formi |
| 15:14.13 | formi | are you using xchat? |
| 15:14.29 | cupis | yes |
| 15:14.59 | formi | how do you separate the channels in the server window? |
| 15:15.20 | cupis | formi: um, so multiple channels open at once? |
| 15:15.26 | formi | yes |
| 15:15.42 | cupis | formi: with commas |
| 15:15.56 | cupis | #debian-kde,#debian-uk,#gllug for example |
| 15:16.16 | formi | if I put a space in the middle it doesn't work |
| 15:16.19 | formi | retrying now |
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| 15:17.30 | formi | now it works, thanks |
| 15:18.13 | formi | so what are you up to know? |
| 15:19.00 | cupis | formi: fiddling with a java proggie |
| 15:19.20 | cupis | Leeds: what's the latest on Fosdem? |
| 15:19.25 | formi | that is something i have to revisit |
| 15:19.48 | formi | i need to install jdk in fb |
| 15:19.57 | cupis | "in fb"? |
| 15:21.21 | eye69 | Going to Fosdem would be nice, but I have no money |
| 15:21.38 | formi | leeds, have you installed the latest pine? |
| 15:21.44 | pdr | cupis: nothing said about fosdem since you were here before, cept about agk's madness |
| 15:23.24 | cupis | pdr: tnx |
| 15:29.42 | pdr | np |
| 16:08.27 | eye69 | http://home.wipeout.tk/draconic/images/chungo2.jpg |
| 16:13.58 | formi | eye69: i've seen videos of monkeys stealing alcoholic drinks, and then drinking them while smoking |
| 16:17.34 | Leeds | formi: I'm still on pine 4.51 |
| 16:17.52 | formi | i've just managed to compile it |
| 16:18.10 | formi | took me a long time, using the wrong cclient |
| 16:18.39 | Leeds | it's not hard... |
| 16:18.58 | formi | sin: make |
| 16:19.02 | formi | in freebsd |
| 16:19.45 | formi | quite cute, checks if it has everything needed, and if not it downloads whatever is needed and compiles it |
| 16:20.26 | formi | them mdk guys are planning to do something like the ports systems |
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| 16:35.13 | dankolb | Afternoon |
| 16:35.40 | formi | noon |
| 16:38.23 | formi | dank, everyday I like fd even more |
| 16:38.33 | dankolb | fd ? |
| 16:38.42 | formi | even though most bsd fan are morons |
| 16:38.45 | formi | freebsd |
| 16:38.49 | dankolb | ahh |
| 16:38.49 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:39.08 | dankolb | A lot of Linux fans are morons, too, though (not the people here, of course:) |
| 16:39.40 | formi | I don't know why they despise linux |
| 16:39.48 | formi | probably silly envy |
| 16:39.52 | skugg | dankolb, don't be shy. some of us are -- at least some times :) |
| 16:40.21 | formi | freebsd wouldn't be anywhere near as good without linux |
| 16:40.33 | dankolb | And a lot of Linux fans despise BSD for no reason |
| 16:41.16 | skugg | bruce richardson call it the ex-linux-user fenomena -- people that change from linux to *bsd because they then can sneer at a bigger crowd... gotta hate them. |
| 16:41.26 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:41.32 | dankolb | I don't sneer at anyone |
| 16:41.34 | formi | of the 5 cds of freebsd, most of the apps where developed for linux on linux |
| 16:41.36 | dankolb | But I'm a *BSD user now |
| 16:41.44 | skugg | don't have anything against *bsd though, apart from the fact that it won't install on my machine. |
| 16:41.58 | dankolb | heh. That's a good reason not to use it, then |
| 16:42.03 | skugg | it lockes hard every time I put my pcmcia card in :P |
| 16:42.10 | dankolb | ahhh oops :) |
| 16:42.16 | dankolb | get a different card, then |
| 16:42.26 | skugg | without net connection it's not /nearly/ as viable :):) |
| 16:42.34 | formi | I do have a nice odd lock up everytime I boot my laptop |
| 16:42.36 | dankolb | Neither's Debian |
| 16:42.59 | skugg | dankolb, nah. i tried it when I was a slack user. now I've got debian, and I can't be arsed -- i just want something that works. |
| 16:43.16 | dankolb | :) Slack just works for me |
| 16:43.18 | skugg | debian is easy enough |
| 16:43.19 | dankolb | *BSD also just works |
| 16:43.22 | formi | it locks completely, but if i put it to hibernation, when i switch it on back, it finishes loading as if nothing had happened |
| 16:43.28 | dankolb | hmm |
| 16:44.03 | formi | that happens with my custom kernel |
| 16:44.25 | skugg | dankolb, yeah, but installing packages is a drag. i don't care what people say, i don't like tracking down everyhing needed and compiling stuff. I prefer to install binaries and have it 'just working' |
| 16:44.38 | dankolb | Erm. Tracking down everything? |
| 16:44.42 | dankolb | cd /usr/ports/foo/bar ; make install |
| 16:44.46 | dankolb | That'll get everything |
| 16:44.48 | formi | skugg: where can I get some ingo about the cost of the probable paintball trip? |
| 16:44.53 | skugg | dankolb, i was talking about slack. |
| 16:44.56 | dankolb | Ahh |
| 16:44.58 | formi | s/ingo/info |
| 16:45.16 | dankolb | Slack has enough packages to keep most people happy |
| 16:45.47 | skugg | dankolb, i know about the ports system... but I know linux now, and I'm happy about it. i don't really want to start learning something new -- i'm just not interested. |
| 16:45.57 | dankolb | It's always good to learn new stuff :) |
| 16:46.01 | skugg | if linux was unstalble, or insecure, or stuff |
| 16:46.11 | dankolb | well...... :) |
| 16:46.17 | skugg | dankolb, yeah, i know. but I'm a user type, not a sysadmin :) |
| 16:46.21 | skugg | if i was i would |
| 16:46.25 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:47.01 | formi | skugg: freebsd even though Im a newbie is making my life much easier |
| 16:47.02 | skugg | i may try it when i've got time. i need to finish my degree now |
| 16:47.13 | Leeds | skugg: get your priorities right... |
| 16:47.19 | dankolb | Surely playing with computers is more fun than degree? |
| 16:47.24 | formi | in the compiling stuff at least |
| 16:47.30 | skugg | formi, in what way? will it make me writing reports faster in vim? |
| 16:47.31 | skugg | :) |
| 16:47.51 | skugg | dankolb, more fun, yes. it doesn't give me nearly as high grades though. i've tried. |
| 16:48.04 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:48.11 | dankolb | That's true |
| 16:48.13 | formi | im no programmer, nor do i have a degree in it, so the easier it is to compile stuff the better for me |
| 16:48.26 | formi | s/it/IT |
| 16:49.28 | skugg | formi, the point is that i don't want to compile stuff (apart from the stuff i write). if i have to compile it it's already lost a lot of wroom in my book. |
| 16:49.49 | skugg | i have two programs installed compiled from source: mplayer and arch. |
| 16:50.08 | formi | skugg: i like to get as much oomph from the soft |
| 16:50.24 | skugg | mplayer compiles fine with dpkg-builpackage, so that one's okay. |
| 16:50.26 | formi | skugg: less now that me laptop has a p2 366, |
| 16:51.02 | skugg | formi, i don't give a shit. my load average is usually 0.0 0.0 0.0 anyway. |
| 16:51.06 | skugg | :) |
| 16:51.53 | skugg | that's on a p3 500 MHz. |
| 16:51.53 | formi | the speed difference on the p166mmx i had was very noticeable between fb and mdk |
| 16:51.58 | skugg | yeah? |
| 16:52.32 | formi | I think so, could be wrong though |
| 16:52.42 | skugg | yeah, but then on a 166mmx you would really notice it too. |
| 16:52.55 | formi | and it just feels more sound, specially x apps |
| 16:53.16 | skugg | i don't ever have a problem with programs being to slow though, so it's completely redundant for me to compile packages myself to optimise. |
| 16:53.37 | skugg | s,to,too, |
| 16:53.56 | formi | skugg: in no way im trying to convince you to use it |
| 16:54.25 | skugg | i can understand it on busy servers though, fully. there you would really try to squeeze as much juice at possible |
| 16:54.35 | formi | what i don't really get is why apple didn't use the current fb for the os X |
| 16:55.03 | skugg | formi, nah, i'm just trying to explain /my/ reasoning. |
| 16:55.46 | formi | i did use to think that way, some time ago, me is still a mdk user |
| 16:55.49 | skugg | i'm very pragmatic -- i use whatever i feel is best for my needs. if I felt it was MS software i'd probably use it. but I don't. |
| 16:56.30 | formi | i want to believe i'm very pragmatic as well |
| 16:56.34 | skugg | right now debian is best for my needs, because i know it and it does what i want. "if it's not broken, don't fix it" :) |
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| 16:58.03 | dankolb | Hi Jenson |
| 16:58.07 | Jenson | Hey dankolb |
| 16:58.23 | formi | hiya j |
| 16:59.27 | Jenson | hey formi |
| 17:01.38 | Leeds | woo - pyddr :-) |
| 17:01.41 | Leeds | I need a mat... |
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| 17:06.26 | Jenson | hey cupis |
| 17:06.39 | cupis | afternoon Jenson |
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| 17:17.35 | Jenson | hey zimm |
| 17:17.38 | dankolb | hi zimm |
| 17:17.46 | zimm | hi folks |
| 17:17.56 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.19 | zimm | well , i found out why no-one has responded to the voice messages ive been leaving people for the last few days ... |
| 17:18.34 | zimm | the microphone on my little ericson has died |
| 17:18.37 | zimm | rofl |
| 17:18.44 | dankolb | :) |
| 17:18.47 | zimm | all they got was static |
| 17:19.36 | Jenson | zimm: I have one with a dead microphone....but that wouldnt be help either lol |
| 17:19.43 | zimm | heh , |
| 17:19.50 | Jenson | I killed the micropohne on my current [phone when id only has it 2 weeks |
| 17:20.03 | Jenson | had to send it back....and they didnt notived i'd dropped it |
| 17:20.17 | zimm | i have a nokia that cant tell there is a battery in it , and an erricson that only works one way .. |
| 17:23.24 | Jenson | awwwww zimm phones are evil |
| 17:24.38 | zimm | true , they cost a fortune , never work , and .. even when they do work , they give you cancer |
| 17:24.53 | Jenson | and cost you more money |
| 17:25.14 | zimm | aye |
| 17:25.48 | Jenson | Other than evil phones zimm, how are you? |
| 17:26.04 | zimm | im ok .. just skint ,, |
| 17:26.19 | Jenson | evil money.... |
| 17:26.21 | zimm | waiting for a cheque to clear then i can head off to bristol to go play |
| 17:26.55 | Jenson | I'd love to come play with Ferraris with you......but I'm not allowed to talk to guys. |
| 17:27.00 | zimm | money isnt evil |
| 17:27.05 | zimm | lack of money is evil |
| 17:27.11 | Jenson | exactly |
| 17:27.12 | zimm | Jenson: lol |
| 17:27.21 | zimm | Jenson: shhh |
| 17:30.24 | Leeds | hmm... I need a mat |
| 17:30.35 | Jenson | Which kind of mat Leeds? |
| 17:30.44 | Leeds | ddr mat :-) |
| 17:30.45 | zimm | rolling mat ? |
| 17:31.29 | Leeds | rolling mat? |
| 17:31.36 | zimm | nevermind |
| 17:31.38 | zimm | :-) |
| 17:33.06 | Leeds | I got pyddr working |
| 17:54.11 | dankolb | Leeds: Have you booked the tickets yet, or not yet? |
| 17:56.34 | Leeds | dankolb: nope... |
| 17:56.41 | dankolb | Okay |
| 17:56.52 | Leeds | why |
| 17:57.10 | Leeds | I'm a little less ready now... |
| 17:57.36 | dankolb | That's fine |
| 17:57.40 | Leeds | having chatted with Dean this morning, the Monday return is sounding somewhat possible |
| 17:57.47 | dankolb | Ahh. |
| 18:00.25 | dankolb | You wouldn't book some Sunday and some Monday, then? (depending how many people wanted to do what) |
| 18:00.49 | Leeds | not much point... |
| 18:00.56 | dankolb | Fair enough |
| 18:01.15 | Leeds | the thing is that once I'm booking for me, I'm happy to book for other people... but there's not much point my booking for a train I'm not going to be on |
| 18:01.47 | dankolb | Fair enough |
| 18:02.47 | dankolb | So is the Monday just for sightseeing, then? |
| 18:03.06 | Leeds | Dean suggested waiting until after GLLUG to book... I'm not sure if I want to wait that long, but he has a point - we can sit down and talk about stuff, rather than some IRC, some phone, some e-mail |
| 18:03.18 | Leeds | yeah, sightseeing - seems silly to go to Brussels twice and not see any of it |
| 18:03.19 | Jenson | sightseeing....you mean girlspotting...(or at least the single guys) |
| 18:03.33 | dankolb | Yeah, that sounds good |
| 18:03.41 | Leeds | what, girlspotting? |
| 18:03.44 | dankolb | So I'll be torn between that and the LinuxCafe chats :) |
| 18:03.53 | dankolb | Mmm. Bearded Belgian Girls :) |
| 18:04.11 | Leeds | linuxcafe will never happen, in my cynical and jaded opinion |
| 18:04.31 | Jenson | dankolb: Where do I fit in between the FOSDEM chats and the LinuxCafe chats? |
| 18:04.42 | Jenson | Leeds: Unfortunately I think you're right |
| 18:04.44 | dankolb | To be honest, I'm not entirely sure about it either. But if the idea gets enough people behind it... |
| 18:04.52 | dankolb | Jenson: Wherever I am |
| 18:05.19 | Jenson | I suppose you'll be keeping me on a leash |
| 18:05.29 | Leeds | it won't happen, regardless of how many people - the vast majority of people (including me, much of the time) are talkers and not doers |
| 18:05.38 | dankolb | Jenson: Yup |
| 18:05.43 | Leeds | I've seen enough GLLUG projects... |
| 18:05.45 | dankolb | (could you bring yours?) |
| 18:05.53 | dankolb | Wasn't there the Community project? |
| 18:06.11 | Leeds | community? |
| 18:06.15 | Leeds | oh, yeah... |
| 18:06.20 | Leeds | I assume that's died... |
| 18:06.22 | Leeds | like jobix |
| 18:06.39 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 18:07.12 | Leeds | and the hardware swap site, which Martin referenced in the archive posting I just found on google about jobix |
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| 18:07.21 | dankolb | Hi Davilion |
| 18:07.23 | Jenson | hey Davilion |
| 18:07.27 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:08.01 | Leeds | k-lined? |
| 18:08.10 | dankolb | K is a kill-line, IIRC |
| 18:08.36 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:08.42 | Leeds | yeah - wondering why davilion had one |
| 18:09.23 | dankolb | Maybe, but the laptop's got the rest of my lap |
| 18:09.33 | Leeds | whoa - they got further with jobix than I thought! http://jobix.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:10.04 | Jenson | dankolb: I'd just have to hold the laptop then |
| 18:10.11 | dankolb | fair enough |
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| 18:10.29 | davilion | hi dan |
| 18:10.40 | Leeds | ah! |
| 18:10.41 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:10.47 | dankolb | Why should that kline you? |
| 18:10.53 | davilion | open squid proxy |
| 18:11.08 | Leeds | quite right too, in that case |
| 18:11.13 | davilion | heh exactly |
| 18:11.21 | dankolb | ahh |
| 18:11.28 | davilion | its not open open, ie you need a user:pass to use it, just havent told it only to use eth0 yet |
| 18:11.38 | davilion | anybody done a pxe install of debian before? |
| 18:12.06 | Leeds | I've never done any install of debian |
| 18:12.19 | Jenson | I'm outta here...I'm gonna go try learn something intelligent from my computer...ie why it's all dead. |
| 18:12.20 | davilion | im remotely installing a box. |
| 18:12.21 | Jenson | See yaz |
| 18:12.22 | davilion | was going to opt for the easy peasy option |
| 18:12.26 | dankolb | bye Jenson |
| 18:12.30 | davilion | bye Jenson |
| 18:12.32 | Leeds | seeya |
| 18:12.34 | Jenson | bye dankolb |
| 18:12.38 | Jenson | bye davilion |
| 18:12.40 | Jenson | bye Leeds |
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| 18:15.54 | zimm | dammit X restarted all on its own and ate half my kde settings |
| 18:15.55 | dankolb | hi zimm again |
| 18:16.00 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:16.05 | dankolb | Were they at least tasty? |
| 18:16.12 | zimm | hi dankolb |
| 18:16.25 | zimm | dunno , not being an Xserver i dont quite know what it likes # |
| 18:16.36 | zimm | it finished the whole bowl so i guess so |
| 18:16.36 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:17.45 | zimm | i guess I should know better than to run CVS kde on top of CVS Xfree .. but , i couldnt resist |
| 18:17.51 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:22.15 | Leeds | yes, yes you should |
| 18:22.41 | dankolb | Run everything from CVS :) |
| 18:23.15 | zimm | heh , but CVS kde is uber fast , and i get funky cursors with X :-) |
| 18:24.14 | zimm | still , the whole thing restarting at random intervals is a tad irritating |
| 18:30.59 | dankolb | Could it be a hardware issue? |
| 18:31.41 | zimm | I have an Nvidia card , so possible |
| 18:32.01 | dankolb | Using nVidia's drivers, or the OSS ones? |
| 18:32.02 | zimm | I get system locks from my TVcard too |
| 18:32.10 | zimm | using Nvidia's drivers |
| 18:32.20 | dankolb | ahh |
| 18:32.30 | dankolb | yeah, that might be why there's hangs |
| 18:32.32 | zimm | The tVcard locks even with the native nv driver |
| 18:32.45 | Leeds | is the tvcard using bttv? |
| 18:32.51 | zimm | yeh .. |
| 18:33.09 | zimm | but it locks up in win98 too , so im inclined to believe its hardware |
| 18:33.19 | Leeds | I've only once (that I remember) had a problem with that - I e-mailed the author and he sent me back a patch :-) |
| 18:33.35 | Leeds | ah, okay |
| 18:34.10 | zimm | its been used in several boxes , and not very carefully looked after |
| 18:34.26 | zimm | course it may just be my shit motherboard , |
| 18:34.37 | zimm | as the lockups seem to coincide with disk IO |
| 18:35.04 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:35.07 | dankolb | Get a Mac |
| 18:35.23 | zimm | lol , like they cost a fortune :-) |
| 18:35.59 | zimm | i would quite like powerbook g4 .. but a nice one is almost 3 grand |
| 18:36.00 | dankolb | Not much more than a well-built PC |
| 18:36.14 | dankolb | And it was only 2 grand |
| 18:36.15 | Leeds | I've had the same TV card for quite a few years... |
| 18:36.20 | dankolb | (although it was bottom of the range) |
| 18:36.28 | zimm | dankolb: exactly |
| 18:36.31 | dankolb | And I had to spend another 100 quid on an Airport card |
| 18:36.36 | Leeds | problem with a Mac is that I can't build my own, picking and choosing from various supplies, like I can for a PC |
| 18:36.38 | dankolb | But it's *so* much nicer than a PC laptop |
| 18:36.51 | dankolb | Leeds: Which means the build quality tends to be better |
| 18:37.08 | dankolb | You get student discounts with Macs, BTW |
| 18:37.19 | zimm | dankolb: yeh ? how much ? |
| 18:37.21 | Leeds | dankolb: really? how much better does a PC have to be? for twice (or more) the cost? |
| 18:38.05 | dankolb | zimm: It varies, but a rough guide is just 'lose the VAT' - that's why this laptop was £2000, rather than the £2400 it would have normally cost |
| 18:38.16 | dankolb | Leeds: Eh? |
| 18:38.37 | Leeds | I can build a decent PC for 500 quid... how much is the equivelent Mac? |
| 18:38.42 | zimm | dankolb: i would never ever ever , consider spending that much on a computer ,, i just cant afford it |
| 18:38.56 | dankolb | I had some student loan left over, so I thought I'd treat myself |
| 18:39.13 | dankolb | Well, a bit more than that. But then, the hardware will tend to be a bit better |
| 18:39.17 | zimm | dankolb: all i have is the student loan , and it dont even cover my rent |
| 18:39.22 | dankolb | Ahhh :-/ |
| 18:40.00 | formi | dankolb: what mta do you use in fb? |
| 18:40.11 | Leeds | I can afford one... depending on car stuff... but I can't bring myself to afford one |
| 18:40.26 | zimm | if i had 2 grand to spend , id buy a motorbike |
| 18:40.43 | dankolb | Although sendmail comes by default, but doesn't listen |
| 18:41.06 | formi | im integrating procmail into sendmail |
| 18:41.21 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:41.37 | dankolb | There's various mail servers available from ports, anyway |
| 18:41.55 | formi | usally I prefer postfix, but i will fiddle with it the future |
| 18:42.05 | dankolb | /usr/ports/mail/postfix ? |
| 18:42.23 | dankolb | (I CBA to ssh into my fb machine) |
| 18:45.51 | davilion | is it likely that bt will have downgraded my parents telephone line when theychanged providers so that now my connection sucks? |
| 18:46.56 | zimm | possible , but not likely |
| 18:47.28 | dankolb | BT doesn't tend to do much effort to downgrade phone lines |
| 18:47.50 | Leeds | how does it suck |
| 18:50.53 | Leeds | like this? http://frank.gwc.org.uk/~ali/dacs/ |
| 18:51.32 | zimm | ahh , the old 56k>33k trick |
| 18:51.43 | Leeds | ueaj |
| 18:51.45 | Leeds | yeah |
| 18:51.53 | zimm | they did that to me in scotland |
| 18:52.04 | zimm | sucked |
| 18:55.26 | dankolb | BT only put DACS boxes in if they don't have enough cable. They'll put a new cable in if you say the new line will be for something like ADSL or Home Highway |
| 18:56.07 | davilion | i get the impression i've been daxed, a load of new hosues were built behind our house, and i get the impression it would b e a real bitch to put more pairs in |
| 18:56.34 | zimm | davilion: possible , complain loud enough and they might fix it |
| 18:56.59 | dankolb | BT don't guarantee for data |
| 18:57.19 | zimm | they couldnt fix it for me , i was on an island , lol |
| 18:57.33 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:57.46 | zimm | dankolb: this is true , but sometimes if you REALLY shout at them they sort it out |
| 18:58.00 | dankolb | Just say you want it for something like ADSL |
| 18:58.58 | highbury | they have to remove it, even if they are groing to test the line for ADSL |
| 18:59.00 | davilion | zimm: its not thaqt big a deal its just anoying if i go home to my parents and want to do anything other than use ircf |
| 18:59.28 | zimm | yeh |
| 18:59.36 | davilion | highbury: adsl isnt available in this area, and isnt likely to be |
| 18:59.55 | dankolb | You mean there's other things to do than IRC? |
| 19:00.33 | davilion | dankolb: yeah, like install my box :) |
| 19:00.54 | dankolb | :) Well, just get CDs, then |
| 19:01.23 | davilion | the box doesnt have a cd drive, |
| 19:01.29 | davilion | just a nyetwork socket. |
| 19:01.36 | davilion | and a power switch. |
| 19:01.48 | dankolb | That's not an excessive amount to spend |
| 19:01.48 | zimm | dankolb: and a cd burner >? |
| 19:02.51 | davilion | why not just buy a new battery dan? |
| 19:03.10 | zimm | lol |
| 19:03.11 | dankolb | I'm not that silly about spending money |
| 19:03.57 | davilion | gllug is next weekend yes? |
| 19:04.16 | dankolb | yes |
| 19:04.29 | davilion | and its not all that far from Redbus is it? |
| 19:05.23 | dankolb | where's redbus? |
| 19:06.10 | highbury | Docklands |
| 19:06.51 | highbury | Harbour Exchange I think is the nearest DLR, or perhaps South Quays |
| 19:07.01 | davilion | DLR? |
| 19:07.17 | dankolb | Docklands Light Railway |
| 19:07.19 | davilion | im going to stick another machine in there soon and could time it with gllug |
| 19:07.21 | davilion | ahh ok |
| 19:07.24 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:07.28 | Leeds | gllug hasn't been in docklands for a long time |
| 19:07.35 | dankolb | Well, if you're in London anyway, I guess |
| 19:07.59 | davilion | shows you how long itws been since ive been to a gllug meet |
| 19:08.05 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:08.21 | Leeds | like over 2 years :-) |
| 19:08.43 | highbury | davilion: if you miss three consecutive meetings, your at risk of being expelled!!! |
| 19:08.54 | highbury | ;) |
| 19:09.06 | davilion | heh |
| 19:09.11 | dankolb | It's true, you know |
| 19:09.21 | dankolb | I only missed last month's, so I'm still okay |
| 19:09.21 | davilion | Leeds: yeah that would be about right, was 1999/2000 when i lived in london. |
| 19:09.36 | dankolb | Yeah. You can now come to OxLUG meetings... |
| 19:09.47 | davilion | i know, i just need to work on my timing |
| 19:10.12 | highbury | 1-2-3 cha cha cha |
| 19:10.32 | Leeds | dankolb: never! |
| 19:10.42 | dankolb | You can come too, Leeds :) |
| 19:10.49 | dankolb | One car a month isn't too bad... |
| 19:10.49 | Leeds | or rather: Never Again! |
| 19:11.15 | Leeds | I can't afford the membership fee |
| 19:11.15 | dankolb | Well, there's too many Debian users, and not enough Slackware users |
| 19:12.13 | davilion | highbury: collecting? |
| 19:12.15 | Leeds | highbury: can I have one please? |
| 19:12.55 | highbury | but I have to give up my old one first :-( |
| 19:14.26 | highbury | ADVERT: 1 Mazda MX-5 1.8is, one carefule owner, full service history, S-Reg, 31,000 miles, offers in excess of £9,000 |
| 19:14.33 | Leeds | my old one is dead :-( |
| 19:14.48 | Leeds | care-fool? |
| 19:17.42 | highbury | I havent crashed it, and I don't over-rev it, and I haven't yet hit a person... |
| 19:17.58 | highbury | or sentient being |
| 19:18.08 | davilion | Leeds: define dead? |
| 19:18.10 | dankolb | Ah. What about politician? |
| 19:18.19 | dankolb | Or sales/marketing guy? |
| 19:19.19 | Leeds | engine not working, no oil, oil pours out when it goes in... I say I hit a speed bump - the man from Abbey National, he say no, it's wear-n-tear |
| 19:19.31 | Leeds | time to change it anyway... |
| 19:20.04 | davilion | new sump? |
| 19:20.04 | davilion | what reg is the car? |
| 19:21.42 | Leeds | I don't know what it is... I don't know cars |
| 19:21.46 | Leeds | '96 P |
| 19:22.27 | davilion | what make? |
| 19:23.05 | Leeds | Fiat Brava 1.4 SX |
| 19:23.14 | Leeds | green-ish :-) |
| 19:24.04 | davilion | could probably replace the engine for about 100 |
| 19:24.16 | davilion | but i'd recocn new sump, oil seal and gasket set. |
| 19:25.39 | Leeds | if you say so |
| 19:32.41 | Leeds | I treat the car as a black box which goes from A to B |
| 19:32.59 | dankolb | Surely a green box? |
| 19:33.11 | Leeds | well, that too |
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| 20:05.45 | dankolb | Hi LordBlaa, BorgBaby |
| 20:06.00 | BorgBaby | hi dan |
| 20:07.45 | dankolb | how's it going? |
| 20:09.00 | BorgBaby | not bad - just spent about 36 hours poring over code, but all ok now |
| 20:09.30 | dankolb | Oh fun |
| 20:10.00 | BorgBaby | innit just! ;-) |
| 20:10.32 | dankolb | Oh yeah. |
| 20:10.35 | dankolb | What code? |
| 20:11.06 | BorgBaby | a database project i'm working on - c++ |
| 20:11.17 | dankolb | Ick. |
| 20:12.16 | BorgBaby | it would be so much easier in Perl ;-) |
| 20:12.24 | dankolb | What's wrong with a shell script? eh? |
| 20:12.44 | BorgBaby | shell scripts aren't portable, or cross platform |
| 20:13.02 | BorgBaby | COBOL - yuk |
| 20:13.11 | dankolb | You can get bash on Linux, *BSD, other Unices, and windows |
| 20:13.34 | BorgBaby | can you get bash for windows ? |
| 20:13.54 | LordBlaa | BorgBaby: i think so |
| 20:13.56 | BorgBaby | mind you - it still depends on the Windows user having it, or including it in an install routine |
| 20:14.02 | dankolb | Yeah. Cygwin |
| 20:14.42 | BorgBaby | this proggie currently works on gcc, Borland 1 & Borland 5 |
| 20:14.51 | dankolb | Borland TurboC++? |
| 20:15.42 | BorgBaby | C++ Builder. not sure what the exact differences are... |
| 20:15.52 | dankolb | Turbo C++ was for DOS |
| 20:16.48 | BorgBaby | big blue screen? think I remember it - no, haven't used it (for about 8 yrs) |
| 20:17.23 | dankolb | yeah |
| 20:18.58 | BorgBaby | no, I stick with gcc & try & keep it as independent as possible so its easy to recompile |
| 20:23.48 | dankolb | That's good |
| 20:24.48 | Tarragon | Back at last with another car - No where to park it mind. |
| 20:25.02 | BorgBaby | easy most of the time, but it will mean using gtk instead of win api's |
| 20:25.12 | dankolb | :) |
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| 21:06.22 | Jenson | hey guys |
| 21:07.19 | BorgBaby | hi Jenson |
| 21:07.32 | dankolb | Hi |
| 21:07.42 | dankolb | Bwah. Repeat of Dead Ringers |
| 21:07.42 | Jenson | hey |
| 21:08.03 | Jenson | BRB - mother needs printer..now I've worked out why the damn thing wasn't working |
| 21:08.07 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:09.12 | Jenson | back......she can't be bothered now. |
| 21:09.15 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:09.42 | Jenson | I feel intelligent...I wrote a 5 line letter......Started it in Slackware KWord, finished it in XP and printed it in 98Se lol |
| 21:10.09 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:10.21 | BorgBaby | you want vi... |
| 21:10.30 | dankolb | emacs |
| 21:10.55 | skugg | $EDITOR |
| 21:10.55 | BorgBaby | even better ;) |
| 21:11.02 | Jenson | I got annoyed at KDE...so changed to XP....and the simplest tasks confused me with a million pretty colours |
| 21:11.14 | dankolb | Heh |
| 21:11.47 | skugg | or a $SSECRETARY to take notes :P |
| 21:12.01 | dankolb | Nah. We have the token girl here to do that |
| 21:12.43 | Jenson | :D |
| 21:12.43 | formi | dank finally I installed postfix |
| 21:12.44 | dankolb | Cool |
| 21:12.44 | Jenson | I discovered i can type faster on laptops that keyboards earlier |
| 21:12.50 | Jenson | and also loughe around on my bed whilst typing.... |
| 21:13.00 | Jenson | s/that/than |
| 21:13.05 | formi | much faster than trying to find out how to plug procmail to sendmail |
| 21:14.00 | Jenson | Actually I better logout |
| 21:14.01 | Jenson | BBS |
| 21:14.03 | dankolb | bah |
| 21:14.06 | dankolb | okay |
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| 21:14.20 | skugg | formi: echo "|`which procmail`" > .forward -- very hard :P |
| 21:15.06 | skugg | s,.fo,~/.fo |
| 21:15.24 | formi | I prefer to have the mta to use procmail directly |
| 21:15.42 | skugg | me too. so i use exim |
| 21:16.02 | formi | never played with exim, some day |
| 21:16.14 | Leeds | I use qmail, not by choice |
| 21:16.22 | skugg | i use it because it's the default on debian |
| 21:16.44 | skugg | Leeds, i sympathise. |
| 21:17.10 | formi | I have to admin sendmail, and I hate it |
| 21:17.20 | skugg | (not that i've ever used qmail, but since you say it's against your choice -- i don't mean to start a flamewar) |
| 21:18.16 | skugg | i didn't like sendmail either. exim comes with a nice script to set up everything i needed. i liked that. i'm not sure if it's a debian-specific script though. |
| 21:19.10 | formi | in postfix there is not much to set up |
| 21:19.45 | Leeds | dankolb: so, how do I get qmail to call spamassassin on all incoming mail with per-user settings? |
| 21:20.04 | dankolb | I tried it, just reading the comments in the config file, and it didn't really work properly. I had a book on qmail, so I used that. |
| 21:20.16 | dankolb | Leeds: Pass, sorry. I'd to a search on google |
| 21:20.20 | Leeds | I want to try exim - I've heard Phil Hazel talk about it, and he seems to be a good bloke - and it seems sane :-) |
| 21:20.48 | dankolb | He's a Tab |
| 21:20.56 | formi | danklob: do you use leafnode under fb? |
| 21:21.14 | dankolb | nope |
| 21:22.37 | formi | I need the line to put in inetd.conf |
| 21:23.00 | dankolb | Doesn't it give it? |
| 21:23.27 | Leeds | he's a Tab? |
| 21:23.51 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 21:23.54 | dankolb | From Cambridge |
| 21:24.12 | Leeds | someone from Cambridge is a Tab? |
| 21:24.17 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 21:24.23 | dankolb | Cambridge -> Cantab -> Tab |
| 21:24.37 | Leeds | ah |
| 21:25.14 | Leeds | that famous Oxford humour I've heard about... like springing killer speed bumps on unsuspecting visitors/// |
| 21:25.19 | dankolb | Cantab being what they have after their degrees, like Oxford has Oxon |
| 21:25.21 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:25.34 | dankolb | That wasn't the speed bump's problem |
| 21:26.19 | Leeds | it attacked me! |
| 21:26.32 | dankolb | Yeah yeah |
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| 21:27.03 | dankolb | hi davilion |
| 21:28.05 | formi | #nntp stream tcp nowait usenet /usr/libexec/nntpd nntpd nntp stream tcp nowait news /usr/local/bin/leafnode leafnode |
| 21:28.28 | dankolb | sounds reasonable |
| 21:28.33 | formi | the first one is the original, the 2nd the one im trying to guess |
| 21:29.58 | dankolb | Sounds reasonable |
| 21:30.27 | skugg | even chipped in a capital S this time. generous. |
| 21:34.43 | dankolb | skugg: eh? |
| 21:35.41 | skugg | just trying to be funny |
| 21:35.43 | skugg | :) |
| 21:35.45 | dankolb | Ah :) |
| 21:35.53 | skugg | unsuccessfully, i might add |
| 21:35.55 | dankolb | Sorry :) |
| 21:36.04 | dankolb | I was completely lost. I get what you said now :) |
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| 21:45.17 | Leeds | BBC7 - for people who think they are intelligent enough to 'get' it :-) |
| 21:45.25 | dankolb | :-P |
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| 21:46.05 | dankolb | hi cupis |
| 21:46.27 | cupis | hi dan |
| 21:47.09 | Leeds | as opposed to 6music - for people who are snobbish enough that none of the other music stations *quite* gets it right |
| 21:50.23 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:54.30 | dankolb | "What building has 300 stories and no elevator?" |
| 21:54.41 | dankolb | "A public library" |
| 21:54.46 | dankolb | (it works better spoken) |
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| 22:14.53 | Jenson | back |
| 22:14.56 | dankolb | wb |
| 22:14.59 | Jenson | ty |
| 22:22.52 | skugg | Leeds, does 6music play heavy metal? :) |
| 22:23.01 | Jenson | hey skugg |
| 22:23.11 | skugg | hey J. |
| 22:23.42 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:24.00 | dankolb | bad skugg |
| 22:24.03 | dankolb | Go learn :-P |
| 22:24.20 | skugg | probably a lot of people (men) that fancy a woman called J. |
| 22:24.30 | skugg | I'm thinking of J-Lo of course. |
| 22:24.42 | Jenson | hehehe the one with the big arse.... |
| 22:24.56 | skugg | they say so, yes. |
| 22:24.56 | eye69 | And what a lovely arse it is... |
| 22:25.23 | eye69 | No, you shouldn't. :) |
| 22:25.58 | Jenson | My mate J is dating my mate K though...I set them up together....about 2 mins after I'd asked him if he had feelings for me. |
| 22:26.11 | skugg | :) |
| 22:26.12 | Jenson | That was last Febraury...they've been together since |
| 22:26.37 | eye69 | skugg: Bah :) |
| 22:26.48 | skugg | eye69, ;) |
| 22:27.03 | Leeds | skugg: yes, 6music plays pretty much everything - Bruce Dickinson has a rock/metal show |
| 22:27.17 | skugg | Leeds, cool. |
| 22:27.33 | Leeds | Jenson: have you seen MIB? |
| 22:27.36 | skugg | i don't get it here though... is it DAB / internet only? |
| 22:27.48 | dankolb | Radio6? Yeah |
| 22:27.49 | Leeds | skugg: yes |
| 22:27.59 | Jenson | Leeds: yeah |
| 22:28.21 | Jenson | Why do we have 2 people with names starting with L...I'm all used to putting L <TAB> for Leeds |
| 22:28.32 | dankolb | To confuse you |
| 22:28.39 | Leeds | has LordBlaa said anything? |
| 22:28.53 | dankolb | Yeah, once |
| 22:28.55 | dankolb | ibot seen LordBlaa |
| 22:29.05 | | lordblaa is currently on #gllug (2h 42m 53s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 15m 11s |
| 22:29.22 | eye69 | 20:46:13 -!- LordBlaa [LordBlaa@pc-80-192-250-84-mo.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #gllug |
| 22:29.23 | Leeds | <LordBlaa> BorgBaby: i think so |
| 22:29.25 | eye69 | 21:05:46 < dankolb> Hi LordBlaa, BorgBaby |
| 22:29.28 | eye69 | 21:13:54 < LordBlaa> BorgBaby: i think so |
| 22:29.52 | Leeds | eye69: you can grep your logs! congratulations :-) |
| 22:30.05 | eye69 | Leeds: I can run /lastlog lordblaa :) |
| 22:30.22 | Leeds | oh look - so can I :-) |
| 22:30.27 | Leeds | you learn something every day... |
| 22:30.46 | Jenson | Today I learnt how much I find XP confusing. |
| 22:31.35 | dankolb | Yeah, in public |
| 22:31.49 | Jenson | grrrr |
| 22:31.52 | Leeds | ooh-er |
| 22:31.58 | Jenson | :) Leeds |
| 22:32.10 | dankolb | Jenson: I'm not an exhibitionist |
| 22:32.24 | Jenson | I am a bit dan |
| 22:32.30 | dankolb | I know that |
| 22:32.35 | Leeds | OOH-ER :-) |
| 22:32.42 | dankolb | No Leeds. Don't get too excited :) |
| 22:32.47 | Jenson | Just a little.... |
| 22:32.48 | formi | I used to be an exhibitionist |
| 22:32.48 | dankolb | Just think about speedbumps |
| 22:33.00 | Leeds | blah |
| 22:33.20 | formi | got me in a lot of trouble |
| 22:33.26 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:33.47 | skugg | ah well. I'm off to try to do a few last bits of revision. |
| 22:33.49 | skugg | wish me luck. |
| 22:33.52 | Jenson | formi: Ever tried being an exibitionist with members of the same sex? |
| 22:33.55 | Jenson | good luck skugg |
| 22:33.56 | formi | i nearly had to brake somebody's legs to get the negatives back |
| 22:34.11 | dankolb | good luck skugg |
| 22:34.17 | Leeds | night skugg - good luck |
| 22:34.31 | Jenson | formi: I'm not that bad....yet |
| 22:34.40 | formi | nigh skugg |
| 22:34.53 | Leeds | Jenson: you can always work on it :-P |
| 22:35.14 | Jenson | Leeds: I intend to.... |
| 22:36.04 | Jenson | ewww lick that off. |
| 22:36.16 | dankolb | You wish! |
| 22:36.38 | formi | Jenson: more than being an exhibitionist, other ppl were too close minded |
| 22:37.06 | Jenson | formi: I knew a guy like that.... |
| 22:37.15 | LordBlaa | lol |
| 22:37.21 | Jenson | ah hello LordBlaa |
| 22:37.45 | zLordBlaa | sorry for the slow responce |
| 22:38.12 | zLordBlaa | there ya go jens ;) |
| 22:38.17 | Jenson | ty zLordBlaa |
| 22:38.21 | formi | we all have our defects |
| 22:38.25 | zLordBlaa | np |
| 22:38.36 | Leeds | formi: the trick is not to show them off in public |
| 22:38.42 | Jenson | lol Leeds |
| 22:39.19 | Jenson | Courtney Cox Arquette once said 'Honesty is the key to a relationship, if you can fake that you're in' |
| 22:39.45 | Leeds | you did see the Friends after she got married, right? |
| 22:40.05 | Jenson | Leeds: Yeah |
| 22:40.24 | Leeds | good... |
| 22:40.38 | formi | Leeds: I am who I am, and hidding it is not going to change it |
| 22:40.46 | Jenson | Although I don't remember it. |
| 22:41.07 | zLordBlaa | depends from who's perspective your looking from, formi |
| 22:41.31 | Jenson | Just a little, honey? |
| 22:41.36 | Leeds | Jenson: they added Arquette to all the actor's names in the starting credits |
| 22:41.41 | formi | Jenson: humans are not able to be completely honest by default |
| 22:41.56 | Jenson | formi: I seem to have trouble with lying actually.... |
| 22:42.02 | dankolb | Depends to whom |
| 22:42.06 | Jenson | Leeds: I might have missed that one then |
| 22:42.14 | dankolb | Jenson: Depends if I know anyone there or not |
| 22:42.55 | Leeds | dankolb: stop messing around - we all know what you're like at GLLUG... |
| 22:43.01 | dankolb | HEhe |
| 22:43.07 | Jenson | dankolb: That never made much difference to me...esp around my mates |
| 22:43.12 | formi | Im training myself on lying, somebody has given me a propetiary soft to do lie detection |
| 22:43.14 | dankolb | Just coz you want to watch Jenson, Leeds |
| 22:43.25 | zLordBlaa | lol |
| 22:43.32 | zLordBlaa | that's so cool formi i've always wanted to do that |
| 22:43.33 | Leeds | dankolb: yeah, so? |
| 22:43.35 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:43.39 | dankolb | She's mine :-P |
| 22:43.48 | Jenson | dankolb: Looking never hurt anyone |
| 22:43.55 | Leeds | really? >:-) |
| 22:44.36 | dankolb | Oh yeah, it can. If they get upset they don't have anyone to do it with |
| 22:44.55 | Jenson | You know I love you Dan honey...let the guys look...you can make sure they don't touch. |
| 22:45.18 | formi | humans tend to express themselves only fully when they are alone |
| 22:45.32 | Leeds | alright Dan - you and me, outside, Saturday afternoon... |
| 22:45.53 | dankolb | No thanks, Leeds. I'm not that way inclined. |
| 22:45.54 | Jenson | formi: You mean in series of swear words complete with a green balloon in their mouths whilst shouting at Linux? |
| 22:45.58 | formi | outside where? |
| 22:46.17 | Jenson | Leeds: I'll fight.... |
| 22:46.37 | formi | can we bring web cams? |
| 22:47.11 | Leeds | Jenson: I've had bad results fighting with young girls... |
| 22:47.40 | Jenson | Leeds: I got my ex to teach me to fight properly.... |
| 22:49.22 | Leeds | I haven't been a fighter since school... I got into trouble a few times for it, and consciously toned down my temper |
| 22:49.22 | Jenson | And why did you do that formi? |
| 22:49.22 | formi | she started the nail thing though |
| 22:49.22 | cupis | Leeds: metoo |
| 22:49.38 | Jenson | If I'd have been a guy I'd have been fighting. |
| 22:50.03 | Jenson | I have a violent temprament....but I'm in control of it now. |
| 22:50.26 | formi | im a very quiet person, but if the tension builds up, better get out of the middle |
| 22:50.27 | dankolb | Yeah. You just do it to yourself |
| 22:51.04 | Jenson | dankolb: No I don't |
| 22:52.40 | dankolb | See what I mean |
| 22:53.17 | Jenson | Besides I havent hurt myself in ages. |
| 22:53.44 | dankolb | Not physically, anyway |
| 22:54.04 | Jenson | I havent hurt myself emotionally either |
| 22:54.15 | dankolb | Oh no? |
| 22:54.31 | Jenson | Well not deliberatly |
| 22:54.54 | dankolb | Exactly |
| 22:55.23 | Jenson | I woke up this morning |
| 22:55.29 | Jenson | My mother says 'Joanna is here' |
| 22:55.30 | formi | really? |
| 22:55.42 | Jenson | I get some cxlothes onb and walk downstais |
| 22:55.54 | Jenson | She says 'I'm stuck on Duke Nukem' |
| 22:55.54 | Leeds | I got e-mail from Joanne's boyfriend |
| 22:56.00 | Jenson | I'm thinking bloody hell lol |
| 22:56.14 | Jenson | then she makes me watch her play Alien and Q3A |
| 22:56.19 | dankolb | hah |
| 22:56.54 | Jenson | Then we went to her house...and bloody WinME kept hanging |
| 22:56.59 | dankolb | Heh |
| 22:57.27 | Jenson | I was only trying to install Win95/MSDOS files...I mean lol |
| 22:57.31 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:57.32 | dankolb | Hah |
| 22:57.53 | Jenson | I then gave up |
| 22:58.07 | Jenson | Said 'OK I wont install the walkthroughs' I'll do it myself. |
| 22:58.10 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:58.56 | Jenson | She's really crap at gaming |
| 22:59.03 | Jenson | Everything in DooM makes her jump |
| 22:59.56 | formi | im off |
| 23:00.01 | dankolb | night formi |
| 23:00.03 | Jenson | See ya formi |
| 23:00.07 | formi | need to rest my eyes |
| 23:00.32 | formi | good night boys and, what the hell, Jenson |
| 23:02.20 | zLordBlaa | lol |
| 23:02.23 | zLordBlaa | great quit msg |
| 23:02.28 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:02.41 | Jenson | Yeah |
| 23:03.06 | zLordBlaa | it's about as l33t as it gets |
| 23:03.06 | Jenson | KorenWolf has one that says something abiut hamsters in ThlIngan Hol |
| 23:03.40 | zLordBlaa | lol |
| 23:04.09 | zLordBlaa | i can only remember how to insult people in thlIngan Hol |
| 23:04.19 | Jenson | PaTaQ! |
| 23:04.24 | zLordBlaa | petaQ ghaH SuS'lij i believe |
| 23:04.37 | Jenson | I can't remember any ThlIngan Hol |
| 23:04.47 | zLordBlaa | hehe |
| 23:04.48 | Jenson | ThlIngan DocH 'oH |
| 23:05.51 | Jenson | Oh and NuqneH |
| 23:06.08 | Jenson | and HaBDibaH |
| 23:06.24 | Jenson | And I'm getting the acentuated sounds wrong |
| 23:06.32 | Jenson | Do you speak thlIngan Hol dankolb? |
| 23:06.36 | dankolb | No |
| 23:07.07 | Jenson | hehehe I can speak something you can't! (Slightly) |
| 23:07.37 | zLordBlaa | lol |
| 23:07.47 | dankolb | So what? It's an artificial language anyway |
| 23:07.55 | Jenson | Its a recognized langauge |
| 23:08.01 | Jenson | http://www.kli.org |
| 23:08.08 | Leeds | "today is a good day to bite your ankles" |
| 23:08.11 | dankolb | Yeah, but artificial none-the-less |
| 23:08.14 | Jenson | lol Leeds |
| 23:08.31 | Jenson | Don't try to dumb down that I know somethiong you don't dankolb :P |
| 23:08.50 | zLordBlaa | all languages are artificial |
| 23:08.57 | Jenson | lol zLordBlaa |
| 23:09.08 | Leeds | there's artificial and artificial... |
| 23:09.09 | dankolb | Artifical languages are ones designed by a small-ish group of people; ones that didn't evolve |
| 23:09.14 | Leeds | anyway, Hebrew isn't artificial |
| 23:09.31 | Jenson | Leeds: Does anyone still speak Hebrew? |
| 23:09.33 | zLordBlaa | well |
| 23:09.41 | zLordBlaa | lol jenson |
| 23:09.46 | zLordBlaa | the whole population of israel? ;) |
| 23:09.52 | dankolb | DO NOT FEED THE TROLL |
| 23:10.19 | Leeds | Jenson: I do :-) |
| 23:10.51 | Jenson | zLordBlaa: I thought it was just used in the bible....not that I've read any of the the 25 bibles I own....oinly when I looked for the bit that the Austin 3:16 quote was taken from |
| 23:10.55 | Jenson | Leeds: clever you |
| 23:11.23 | dankolb | Yeah, and Greek was also only used in the Bible, too |
| 23:11.41 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: for what it's worth, a significant minority of the population of Israel speaks Arabic as a first language and Hebrew as second, but still |
| 23:13.02 | cupis | night all |
| 23:13.08 | Jenson | night cupis |
| 23:13.13 | Leeds | night cupis |
| 23:13.13 | dankolb | night cupis |
| 23:13.34 | zLordBlaa | Leeds: still, that doesn't affect my point about them all speaking it |
| 23:13.42 | zLordBlaa | as a first or second |
| 23:13.47 | Jenson | I'm rather intolerant of religion actually....but I try not to offend anyone....ie I know Leeds is religious...dunno about anyone else |
| 23:13.50 | zLordBlaa | but thanks for the info |
| 23:13.57 | zLordBlaa | ;) |
| 23:14.09 | dankolb | You shouldn't be intolerant |
| 23:14.24 | dankolb | That's the thing that gives a lot of religious people a bad name |
| 23:14.31 | Jenson | dankolb: Well said coming from a Marxist..... |
| 23:14.41 | Leeds | I'm not particularly religious... |
| 23:14.59 | dankolb | What do you count as particularly religious, though? |
| 23:15.19 | dankolb | Is 'particularly religious' one of those annoying preachy holier-than-thou types? |
| 23:15.30 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: true... there are probably at least a million Hebrew speakers outside Israel as well |
| 23:15.48 | zLordBlaa | true leeds |
| 23:16.10 | zLordBlaa | cos i suppose most rabbis speak it |
| 23:16.18 | Leeds | dankolb: while I do believe in God, I don't follow a particularly large number of the Jewish laws... I have friends (and family) who are a lot more religious than I am |
| 23:16.20 | Jenson | dankolb: Well said coming from Marxister-than-thou |
| 23:16.42 | dankolb | Leeds: Yeah, that sounds quite reasonable. |
| 23:16.44 | zLordBlaa | leeds your jewish? (if you don't mind me asking) |
| 23:16.49 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: yup |
| 23:17.05 | eye69 | Jenson: As long as they don't bother me, let them have their religion |
| 23:17.07 | Jenson | The only Jew I know is German |
| 23:17.20 | dankolb | eye69: That's my opinion, too |
| 23:17.26 | zLordBlaa | Leeds: cool, i'm jewish by like descent |
| 23:17.29 | Jenson | eye69: I'm like that about gay people...I'm slightly more intolerant of religion |
| 23:17.33 | dankolb | What I may or may not believe should not affect anyone else |
| 23:17.33 | Leeds | that's fair enough... you're all going to burn in hell... |
| 23:17.38 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:17.38 | zLordBlaa | but not by belief (i'm discordian) |
| 23:18.01 | eye69 | Leeds: Okiedokey |
| 23:18.18 | Leeds | joking... |
| 23:18.22 | Jenson | I shoul;d have said...gay men...lesbians don't bother me in the slightest |
| 23:18.26 | eye69 | Leeds: I know :) |
| 23:18.27 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: are you a GLLUGer? |
| 23:18.47 | zLordBlaa | i'm not sure what i have to have done to qualify as one |
| 23:19.12 | eye69 | zLordBlaa: Go to the meeting on saturday... |
| 23:19.16 | Jenson | Although I'm cool with gay men actually....it's more to do with the way they have sex...I think thats weird whether its gay or hetero...although at least for gay gus it makes sense |
| 23:19.39 | Leeds | Jenson: what are you wibbling about? |
| 23:19.45 | Jenson | Leeds: I dunnpo |
| 23:19.51 | Jenson | It stemmed from religion. |
| 23:20.19 | zLordBlaa | eye69: i didn't even know there was a meeting on saturday |
| 23:20.20 | Leeds | how do you get from religion to anal sex? |
| 23:20.26 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: look at the topic |
| 23:20.43 | zLordBlaa | oh fabulous |
| 23:20.45 | dankolb | Because a lot of overly-religious types are intolerant of homosexuality? |
| 23:20.47 | zLordBlaa | where is it? |
| 23:20.51 | Jenson | Leeds: I was thinking about how religion bothers me more than gayness. |
| 23:20.52 | eye69 | zLordBlaa: Westminster Uni |
| 23:21.02 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: all info at the website... |
| 23:21.12 | zLordBlaa | dankolb: that's true, but alot of gay people are intollerant of overly religious people, so i guess it's fair ;) |
| 23:21.12 | eye69 | zLordBlaa: You are very welcome |
| 23:21.27 | zLordBlaa | wow |
| 23:21.28 | dankolb | They're intolerant precisely because of the 'you'll all burn in hell' attitude |
| 23:21.37 | eye69 | zLordBlaa: No signup necessary |
| 23:21.43 | zLordBlaa | oh that sounds great |
| 23:21.47 | zLordBlaa | i'll defs try to make it |
| 23:21.51 | dankolb | It's a vocal minority that give religion a bad name |
| 23:21.52 | Leeds | dankolb: there's an interesting guy I know... he's a liberal (small-l) Orthodox (large-O) rabbi... |
| 23:21.59 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:22.10 | eye69 | Please do. There are interesting talks, and a nice pub evening afterwards. :) |
| 23:22.26 | Leeds | dankolb: dunno which religion you're talking about, but the majority of religious Jews give it a bad name, in my opinion, for various reasons |
| 23:22.36 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: are you on the mailing list? |
| 23:22.55 | dankolb | Leeds: I was personally talking about Christianity |
| 23:23.10 | zLordBlaa | Leeds: i think i might be actually |
| 23:23.17 | zLordBlaa | but on my old email address |
| 23:23.20 | zLordBlaa | actually yeah i am i remember now |
| 23:23.34 | Jenson | I can argue the good points of anyone. |
| 23:23.44 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: what's your name, if I can ask? |
| 23:24.07 | zLordBlaa | what my real name? |
| 23:24.14 | zLordBlaa | i wouldn't have used it on the list |
| 23:24.19 | Leeds | oh, okay |
| 23:24.20 | zLordBlaa | i would have been Lord Blaa |
| 23:24.27 | Jenson | I'm on the list. |
| 23:24.52 | zLordBlaa | so what kinda thing are you guys gonna get up to on sat? |
| 23:25.19 | dankolb | PUB! |
| 23:25.20 | Leeds | meeting... fosdem talk... linuxcafe talk... drinking |
| 23:25.39 | eye69 | zLordBlaa: Talks by day and pub by night |
| 23:25.47 | Jenson | dankolb: Is that all we're getting up to?????? |
| 23:25.50 | zLordBlaa | fabulous |
| 23:25.53 | eye69 | Annoy dan is always on the agenda |
| 23:25.57 | zLordBlaa | lol |
| 23:26.01 | dankolb | eye69: :) |
| 23:26.02 | zLordBlaa | this sounds like my kinda day |
| 23:26.03 | Leeds | ogling Jenson... |
| 23:26.05 | dankolb | Oi |
| 23:26.12 | Jenson | I'm not cute guys |
| 23:26.20 | zLordBlaa | lol |
| 23:26.21 | dankolb | Some people think you are |
| 23:26.25 | Leeds | Jenson: we'll be the judge of that! |
| 23:26.30 | zLordBlaa | ur a babe, and into linux, ur automagically cute |
| 23:27.11 | Leeds | yeah, but the ban doesn't apply to us |
| 23:27.34 | Jenson | I think it does Leeds |
| 23:27.41 | zLordBlaa | what? even... me? |
| 23:27.42 | Jenson | You'll have to ask Dan |
| 23:27.53 | Leeds | ... I meant that *we* aren't banned - you are |
| 23:27.59 | Jenson | zLordBlaa: I don't even know your age |
| 23:28.04 | Jenson | Ah right Leeds |
| 23:28.31 | Jenson | I hope I can bring my mates....at least then there'll be 3 girls.....one of my mates is very vute BTW |
| 23:28.39 | Jenson | s/vute/cute |
| 23:28.42 | dankolb | Which one? |
| 23:28.49 | Jenson | Bee |
| 23:28.51 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:28.55 | Jenson | :) |
| 23:28.56 | highbury | Leeds: there is a difference between Hebrew as written down in prayer books and Modern Hebrew as spoken in Israel, which was designed by language committee |
| 23:28.57 | zLordBlaa | single? ;) |
| 23:29.13 | zLordBlaa | highbury: reconstructed, not designed, i believe |
| 23:29.16 | Jenson | zLordBlaa: Yeah....she found out the guy she's been with for 2 years was cheating |
| 23:29.18 | Leeds | highbury: I know... I went to a couple of sessions about that at Limmud... |
| 23:29.21 | Jenson | heya highbury |
| 23:29.26 | zLordBlaa | Jenson: that's harsh man |
| 23:29.29 | highbury | hey Jenson |
| 23:29.42 | Leeds | it wasn't so much a committee, anyway, as much as one bloke |
| 23:29.44 | Jenson | zLordBlaa: That's what I though...fucking bastard was screwing another chick |
| 23:30.00 | zLordBlaa | bastard |
| 23:30.04 | zLordBlaa | that's so unfair of him |
| 23:30.04 | dankolb | indeed |
| 23:30.07 | highbury | I thought nobody really knows what acnsient Hebrew really sounded like |
| 23:30.14 | dankolb | It's unfair of anyone to cheat, really, though, isn't it? |
| 23:30.22 | zLordBlaa | how dare he have 2 babes when some of us have none |
| 23:30.25 | Leeds | highbury: that would be exactly what the session I'm thinking about was on :-) |
| 23:30.26 | Jenson | It is yeah dankolb |
| 23:30.38 | Leeds | zLordBlaa: yeah - share and share alike, man :-) |
| 23:30.42 | zLordBlaa | i wish they'd do charity adverts for geeky lamers like me |
| 23:30.46 | dankolb | Yeah, I thought so, Jenson |
| 23:30.48 | highbury | rather like nobody knows what Latin sounded like |
| 23:30.50 | zLordBlaa | like for poor africans |
| 23:31.10 | dankolb | Get all the single chicks, and get them to choose a nice geek? |
| 23:31.25 | zLordBlaa | exactly |
| 23:31.27 | highbury | REMEMBER: please get your book orders into Josette before wednesday!! |
| 23:31.42 | Jenson | zLordBlaa: I had 2 guys once....but I wasn't sleeping with either of them....they were best mates....was most amusing having 2 guys I fancied and another that fancied me like totally getting horny just being around me. |
| 23:31.51 | Leeds | books? blah... might persuade myself to ask John to bring me a HH keyboard though |
| 23:32.10 | highbury | go for the one with the cursor keys |
| 23:32.21 | Leeds | of course |
| 23:32.23 | zLordBlaa | Jenson: i had 2 girlfriends once too |
| 23:32.32 | zLordBlaa | but it was fair, cos they knew about each other and stuff |
| 23:32.37 | zLordBlaa | and they were like cool with it |
| 23:32.48 | Jenson | zLordBlaa: I wasn't dating either of the guys though...one was my ex..and the other was the one I was technically with |
| 23:33.21 | zLordBlaa | fair play jens |
| 23:34.09 | Jenson | All the guys I've dated (which is 3) have had a computer related memeber of their family and been more geek than me. |
| 23:34.37 | zLordBlaa | hehe |
| 23:34.59 | zLordBlaa | all of the girls i've dated have been less geeky than me |
| 23:35.04 | Jenson | My last boy/fs dad was a network admin of some kind |
| 23:35.09 | zLordBlaa | although one of them did learn assembly code |
| 23:35.30 | zLordBlaa | heh, one of my ex's mum apparently helped write Unix or something |
| 23:35.59 | Leeds | (technical question) is there any point in getting rid of PS/2 and going to USB instead? if I get a HH keyboard, I can get USB or PS/2 and my mouse is already a USB mouse using a PS/2 connector... |
| 23:36.03 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:36.07 | Leeds | I've done some work on Unix :-) |
| 23:36.14 | Jenson | My mum taught me to switch a computer on...after that she was lost |
| 23:36.20 | zLordBlaa | sort of depressing to know ur mother in law (well not quite but you kjnow what i mean) is l33ter than you |
| 23:36.25 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:36.31 | Leeds | my current keyboard is AT, with a PS/2 adapter :-) |
| 23:36.34 | zLordBlaa | dankolb: ps2 rules man |
| 23:36.44 | dankolb | Ah, but then she must have known Ken & Dennis & Brian |
| 23:37.03 | zLordBlaa | lol |
| 23:37.04 | dankolb | You can't get l33ter than that |
| 23:37.09 | Jenson | If I touch the leads on the back of my comouter I aleways manage to knock the mouse connector..damn thing...never had that problem with serial |
| 23:37.12 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:37.43 | highbury | Leeds: I'd stick to ps2 if you can |
| 23:37.55 | zLordBlaa | Leeds: ps2 rules man |
| 23:38.07 | Leeds | I actually do have code in UNIX, for real... |
| 23:38.10 | Leeds | sort of :-) |
| 23:38.11 | highbury | unless your BIOS has rock solid USB keyboard support |
| 23:38.20 | zLordBlaa | Leeds: lol what do you mean? |
| 23:38.28 | dankolb | Solaris isn't a real Unix ;-) |
| 23:38.35 | Leeds | well, it's a bang up-to-date motherboard... |
| 23:38.39 | Jenson | When I walked into my room and realized that all my clothes were on the floor but my old parallel scanner lead was neatly hung over the chair I started to worry.... lead |
| 23:38.42 | Leeds | dankolb: but Unixware certainly is |
| 23:38.51 | zLordBlaa | GNU is the only real unix |
| 23:38.55 | dankolb | Can you get me a copy of Unixware? |
| 23:39.00 | Jenson | Why did I write lead at the end of that |
| 23:39.03 | dankolb | ibot trollgong |
| 23:39.05 | | dankolb: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:39.05 | Jenson | How'd that get there.... |
| 23:39.08 | dankolb | bah |
| 23:39.21 | Leeds | no, I stopped working there 2.5 years ago when they laid me off |
| 23:39.41 | highbury | http://www.tuhs.org/archive_sites.html |
| 23:39.46 | zLordBlaa | look on the bright side, at least you got laid |
| 23:39.49 | zLordBlaa | ;) |
| 23:40.00 | Leeds | it would have been a bit silly to keep working, since they stopped paying me at the same time |
| 23:40.01 | dankolb | Yeah. Get laid, get a severance package... |
| 23:40.05 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:40.10 | highbury | didn't the UNIX name get sold onto Caldera |
| 23:40.23 | Jenson | Don't you guys know any better ways to get laid? |
| 23:40.25 | highbury | and then I can't remember where |
| 23:40.27 | Leeds | didn't get laid, just got laid off - think pissed and pissed off |
| 23:40.37 | Jenson | Yeah true Leeds |
| 23:40.42 | highbury | step away from the computer :-) |
| 23:40.53 | zLordBlaa | Jenson: why don't you enlighten us as to more efficient methods ;) |
| 23:41.14 | zLordBlaa | Leeds: bah, a minor distinction ;) |
| 23:41.23 | Jenson | zLordBlaa: I think friends of mine might be better at that..... |
| 23:41.54 | Jenson | I think I oughta be getting to bed |
| 23:41.56 | Jenson | See ya guys |
| 23:42.00 | Leeds | Jenson: bringing them to gllug? |
| 23:42.14 | Jenson | Leeds: Hopefully...I'mm know by Tuesday |
| 23:42.24 | Jenson | s/I'mm/I'll |
| 23:42.32 | dankolb | night Jenson |
| 23:42.40 | Leeds | g'night |
| 23:42.45 | Jenson | As I said one of them is damn cute and more flirty than me...and always wears tight clothing....and hates WinXP |
| 23:42.51 | Jenson | night dankolb |
| 23:42.52 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:42.54 | Jenson | night Leeds |
| 23:42.55 | dankolb | Everyone hates WinXP |
| 23:43.01 | dankolb | More flirty than you? |
| 23:43.09 | Jenson | lol zLordBlaa |
| 23:43.14 | Jenson | Oi dankolb |
| 23:43.22 | dankolb | Who's more flirty? |
| 23:43.35 | Jenson | Bee is more flirty than me |
| 23:43.40 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:43.41 | Jenson | and cuter |
| 23:44.03 | zLordBlaa | lol |
| 23:44.04 | Jenson | Anyway night guys |
| 23:44.06 | *** part/#gllug Jenson (Jenson@host213-1-160-141.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:44.12 | Leeds | hmmm... gotta reboot - back in a bit |
| 23:44.58 | dankolb | maybe, maybe not |
| 23:49.16 | zLordBlaa | brb guys |
| 23:53.47 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@vmlinuz.fsnet.co.uk) |
| 23:53.51 | dankolb | wb |
| 23:53.59 | Leeds | hey |
| 23:54.14 | zLordBlaa | back |
| 23:54.18 | zLordBlaa | wb man |
| 23:54.21 | dankolb | wb zLordBlaa |
| 23:54.29 | zLordBlaa | ta |
| 23:55.20 | dankolb | It's linked to from the website |
| 23:55.43 | Leeds | you know the BT tower behind TCR? |
| 23:56.01 | dankolb | Tottenham Court Road |
| 23:56.07 | dankolb | ibot tcr |
| 23:56.08 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, dankolb |
| 23:56.11 | zLordBlaa | ooh yeah |
| 23:56.28 | zLordBlaa | is it near tcr? |
| 23:56.34 | dankolb | yeah |
| 23:56.38 | Leeds | 3 minutes walk off it |
| 23:56.51 | zLordBlaa | ah that's great i can get there pretty easily |
