irclog2html for #gllug on 20030113

`00:03.08`	`Leeds`	`hmm... gotta reboot again...`
`00:06.54`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@vmlinuz.fsnet.co.uk)`
`00:09.18`	`dankolb`	`right. I'm off to bed`
`00:09.20`	`dankolb`	`night night`
`00:10.01`	`zLordBlaa`	`nn dankolb`
`00:10.01`	`Leeds`	`g;night`
`00:15.26`	`zLordBlaa`	`gonna play civ3 for a bit, brb`
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`00:50.54`	`zLordBlaa`	`back`
`00:57.29`	`Tarragon`	`Chocolate time!`
`00:58.44`	`highbury`	`bed time!`
`00:58.49`	`Leeds`	`bed time... almost`
`00:59.07`	`pdr`	`mmm... chocolate. (back - did I miss anything re: fosdem?)`
`00:59.50`	`Leeds`	`not particularly...`
`01:02.23`	`pdr`	`Leeds: have you registered on the site?`
`01:03.42`	`pdr`	`if so, would you care to peruse my background contest entry, and perhaps cast a vote? </shamless_plug> :)`
`01:05.44`	`Leeds`	`on the fosdem site?`
`01:05.57`	`pdr`	`yep`
`01:06.46`	`Leeds`	`not registered...`
`01:07.04`	`Leeds`	`yet :-)`
`01:08.54`	`pdr`	`:)`
`01:09.07`	`pdr`	`anyway, i'm off to bed now..`
`01:09.22`	`pdr`	`night`
`01:10.00`	`Leeds`	`me too`
`01:29.03`	`zLordBlaa`	`bed time for i`
`01:29.06`	`zLordBlaa`	`see you guys :)`
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`08:31.58`	`highbury`	`morning`
`08:59.45`	`dank_work`	`Morning`
`09:07.35`	`highbury`	`hi Dan`
`09:27.33`	`dank_work`	`Mozilla crashes too much`
`09:48.27`	`eye69`	`Morning`
`09:48.34`	`eye69`	`Work....monday.... sighs`
`09:58.27`	`dank_work`	`Yeah`
`09:59.48`	`dank_work`	`Work...get paid`
`10:08.19`	`eye69`	`dank_work: Yeah, it sucks, doesn't it?`
`10:08.26`	`dank_work`	`Getting paid doesn't suck`
`10:08.43`	`dank_work`	`Means I have money to come to gllug, get abused for not liking Debian, and drinking beer :)`
`10:12.51`	`eye69`	`Heh`
`10:12.57`	`eye69`	`Do I abuse you? :)`
`10:13.07`	`highbury`	`ahh we all get abused for not liking Debian ;-p`
`10:13.44`	`dank_work`	`Oh yeah :)`
`10:13.55`	`eye69`	`Bah`
`10:14.09`	`dank_work`	`Humbug`
`10:14.32`	`highbury`	`I've done a debian install via Knoppix, and that is quite painless now`
`10:15.48`	`eye69`	`The point of _installing_ Knoppix eludes me.`
`10:15.55`	`highbury`	`but there are a few things to tidy up afterwards, not least of all working out how to boot it from SuSE 8.1 Grub`
`10:16.03`	`eye69`	`I mean, doesn't it install everything but the kitchen sink?`
`10:16.13`	`highbury`	`once you install Knoppix, its actually then Debian`
`10:22.03`	`highbury`	`but once you've installed at least you have a nice shiny kitchen sink with the latest versions on X11 and a decent selection of apps`
`10:22.45`	`highbury`	`unlike most Debian installs, which require several days worth of apt-get's and flaky updates`
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`10:30.34`	`zachary`	`Good morning!`
`10:32.05`	`dank_work`	`hi`
`10:32.21`	`SpudULike`	`Morning all.`
`10:32.51`	`SpudULike`	`I fear my Cd Writer has packed up on me! Bah!!`
`10:33.04`	`dank_work`	`bah indeed`
`10:33.05`	`dank_work`	`:(`
`10:33.06`	`eye69`	`Feck...another laptop with bad HD`
`10:33.32`	`eye69`	`highbury: Flaky updates?`
`10:33.51`	`eye69`	`SpudULike: I fear the day when my cd writer packs up on me`
`10:34.01`	`eye69`	`You can hardly get SCSI writers these days`
`10:34.08`	`dank_work`	`You can, but the aren't cheap`
`10:34.27`	`SpudULike`	`My is, possibly was, a SCSI.`
`10:34.38`	`eye69`	`Exactly...my current one (Yamaha 16x10x40) I got for �100 inc VAT and shipping`
`10:35.03`	`SpudULike`	`I've got the same drive, external.`
`10:35.42`	`eye69`	`Cool`
`10:35.53`	`eye69`	`Been working fine for me`
`10:37.21`	`SpudULike`	`This drive was working just before XMas. Now it will only write to RW media and won't read what's it's written, though those disks can be read in other drives. V. odd.`
`10:42.59`	`SpudULike`	`Do you think that could work? I've never had to use a CD lens cleaner before, but I remember hearing that they do more harm than good?`
`10:43.37`	`eye69`	`That might be true if you get a low-quality one`
`10:44.40`	`SpudULike`	`They come in different quality. How much would a good quality cleaner set me back.`
`10:45.29`	`eye69`	`Not a clue`
`10:46.41`	`eye69`	`http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=030113104536391&moduleno=25379&modulecode=`
`10:47.29`	`dank_work`	`Dunno. The alternative is using a cotton bud, and be careful`
`10:47.35`	`dank_work`	`(it worked on a hifi CD player)`
`10:47.55`	`eye69`	`In that _DO NOT_ use acethone`
`10:50.21`	`SpudULike`	`What solvent should I use? Iso.?`
`10:50.45`	`eye69`	`Yeah, isopropanol is the best`
`10:50.56`	`eye69`	`Acethone eats plastic...`
`10:52.09`	`SpudULike`	`Yeah, 'spose it would leave the case in a mess.`
`10:52.47`	`SpudULike`	`The head cleaning kits all mention readers. Do you think there is any special consideration in using them on a writer?`
`10:53.23`	`eye69`	`Wouldn't think so.`
`10:53.52`	`dank_work`	`Nah. Writers just use a more powerful laser`
`10:56.00`	`eye69`	`It's certainly worth a shot.`
`10:56.38`	`eye69`	`I would do the cleaning manually, provided that I could get hold of isopropanol. Where can you get that in the UK?`
`10:57.15`	`SpudULike`	`Chemists will sell it in small quantities. I have some.`
`10:57.18`	`dank_work`	`Probably any decent chemist shops?`
`10:57.28`	`dank_work`	`(i.e. not boots)`
`10:57.37`	`SpudULike`	`They all have it for 'cleaning' purposes.`
`10:57.40`	`eye69`	`http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=030113104536391&moduleno=4671&modulecode=`
`10:57.58`	`eye69`	`Ah. I should get some.`
`10:58.05`	`SpudULike`	`Yeah, I was looking a Maplin.`
`10:58.15`	`dank_work`	`OHP acetate cleaner is isopropanol, isn't it?`
`10:58.53`	`SpudULike`	`dank_work: I don't think it is pure.`
`10:59.38`	`dank_work`	`Or maybe just the stuff we had at school was done by the chemistry lab`
`11:00.32`	`SpudULike`	`I've also learnt, from experience, not to use 'Surgical Spirit' for cleaning!`
`11:00.42`	`eye69`	`A lot of "broken" writers could probably be saved.`
`11:05.14`	`dank_work`	`what's in surgical spirit?`
`11:06.44`	`SpudULike`	`The need to cure! ;-)`
`11:07.44`	`SpudULike`	`Or to operate, at the very least.`
`11:23.57`	`dank_work`	`:)`
`11:24.08`	`dank_work`	`yeah, but what's the chemical composition?`
`11:24.14`	`dank_work`	`Isn't it just ethanol?`
`11:28.59`	`SpudULike`	`You'ld have thought so. The stuff I used may have had something like an antiseptic in suspension. It certainly left some residue after evaporating.`
`11:29.24`	`highbury`	`100% vodka`
`11:31.40`	`SpudULike`	`OK, wet or dry cd lens cleaner? Will the wet type be set on fire by the laser ;-)`
`11:33.58`	`eye69`	`SpudULike: I'd bet on wet.`
`11:36.42`	`SpudULike`	`I think you are right. I only hope my eyebrows will have grown back by the GLLUG meeting.`
`11:37.23`	`eye69`	`Hehehe`
`11:37.34`	`eye69`	`You'll be like Steve-O`
`11:38.38`	`dank_work`	`:)`
`11:39.07`	`dank_work`	`I'd go for wet - couple of drops of isoprop onto the brushes, and you're away`
`11:41.20`	`Tarragon`	`Surgical spirit is ethanol with a small amount of methanol added (that way it is unfit to drink) and oil of wintergreen (smells bad). whereas Methylated spirits is Ethanol, methanol, pyridine and dye`
`11:42.46`	`Tarragon`	`USA rubbing alcohol is Propan-2-ol (Isopropanol (Isopropyl alcohol)) and is the cleaner sold by maplins and RS`
`11:44.51`	`SpudULike`	`What does the wintergreen do?`
`11:46.03`	`SpudULike`	`Does it just smell bad, or does it do something more, err, efficacious?`
`11:46.30`	`SpudULike`	`effocatious, even`
`11:46.41`	`dank_work`	`Ah. I thought Meths was just Methanol (plus blue dye)`
`11:46.41`	`SpudULike`	`err. Something better.`
`11:47.15`	`Tarragon`	`the wintergreen gives it a sour smell but also acts as a strong flavour making it unoaletteable.`
`11:47.25`	`Tarragon`	`s/o/p`
`11:49.20`	`SpudULike`	`Ah, ok. I'm not sold on the idea of the cleaning kits to be honest with you all. I think I will try a 3M drop test on the drive, to see if that will shake things up a bit. Gotta go. Big time L8ers city, etc.`
`11:49.24`	`Tarragon`	`Pyridine gives Meths that bad smell`
`11:49.34`	`dank_work`	`bye SpudULike`
`11:51.47`	`highbury`	`I use Isoclene for delicate stuff, and Foamy stuff for keyboards and screens`
`11:53.12`	`dank_work`	`wot no coke? :)`
`11:54.42`	`dank_work`	`The acid in coke makes it a good cleaner. At least for toilets.`
`11:55.15`	`highbury`	`not good for keyboards`
`12:02.20`	`dank_work`	`Or monitors`
`12:03.33`	`highbury`	`or more specifically down the back of monitors, thru the air holes`
`12:05.26`	`highbury`	`I usually use Foamclean from AF (Silver and Blue Tins), but last time I got some stuff from Tesco made by Dataclean, it fizzes up quite viciously, also great for getting static shocks off monitor`
`12:05.27`	`dank_work`	`:)`
`12:05.32`	`dank_work`	`heh`
`12:05.36`	`dank_work`	`I have an LCD monitor`
`12:05.45`	`dank_work`	`Getting coke down the front of that is BAD`
`12:05.49`	`highbury`	`sorry Foamclene`
`12:05.52`	`dank_work`	`(at least, I think it would be)`
`12:06.47`	`highbury`	`nah, if it cleans copper pennies it must be good, probabl;y great for motherboards (coke that is)`
`12:06.57`	`dank_work`	`:)`
`12:15.27`	`Tarragon`	`If left on it could strip the laquer of the board. Somehow I don't think I will try though.`
`12:15.36`	`dank_work`	`:)`
`12:37.12`	`dank_work`	`I NEED COKE`
`12:57.35`	`dank_work`	`Thanks :)`
`12:58.24`	`dank_work`	`One of the other guys is supposed to go and get coke`
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`13:38.02`	`dank_work`	`Yay! Coke!`
`14:06.54`	`Axel`	`hiho`
`14:08.49`	`dank_work`	`hi Axel`
`14:08.54`	`Axel`	`hi Dan`
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`14:56.02`	`Tarragon`	`http://www.sys-con.com/linux/articlenews.cfm?id=381`
`15:07.19`	`formi`	`that's capitalist bollocks,`
`15:11.09`	`highbury`	`its all leeds' fault`
`15:11.31`	`formi`	`as usual`
`15:12.51`	`formi`	`highbury, have you talked to Simon?`
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`15:15.03`	`davilion`	`afternoon all`
`15:15.16`	`formi`	`hiya`
`15:17.37`	`highbury`	`simon?`
`15:17.50`	`highbury`	`oops, er no`
`15:18.17`	`formi`	`I'll probably meet him tonighit, I'll ask`
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`15:36.47`	`davilion`	`that was freaky`
`15:37.00`	`davilion`	`it was like everything was completely broken, only it wasnt`
`15:37.05`	`dank_work`	`Spooky :)`
`15:37.08`	`davilion`	`yeah.`
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`15:38.51`	`jenson`	`Afternoon guys.`
`15:39.10`	`formi`	`oh no, here she is again`
`15:39.36`	`dank_work`	`hi jenson`
`15:39.46`	`formi`	`are you stalking us jenson?`
`15:39.56`	`jenson`	`formi: #`
`15:39.58`	`jenson`	`nopr`
`15:40.00`	`jenson`	`I'm not`
`15:40.04`	`jenson`	`Dam this keyboard.`
`15:40.10`	`jenson`	`s/Dam/Damn`
`15:40.11`	`dank_work`	`heh`
`15:40.44`	`formi`	`dam dam, wasn't that one of the flinstons?`
`15:40.45`	`jenson`	`That's better`
`15:41.46`	`jenson`	`AHHH my mate is a fucking idiot, for fuck sake!`
`15:41.53`	`dank_work`	`Oh?`
`15:41.54`	`dank_work`	`Which mate?`
`15:41.58`	`jenson`	`Sarah`
`15:42.06`	`dank_work`	`Ah. What's she done?`
`15:42.14`	`jenson`	`I just found out from Bee that Sarah isn't coming to London.fucking woman never told me`
`15:42.20`	`dank_work`	`ah`
`15:42.35`	`jenson`	`Meaning I have to go with my granny.and go home at 4:30 instead of 8`
`15:42.36`	`jenson`	`Shit`
`15:42.41`	`dank_work`	`Bee's not coming?`
`15:42.53`	`formi`	`jenson: you are old enough to face alone...`
`15:42.57`	`formi`	`jenson: you are old enough to face us alone...`
`15:43.03`	`jenson`	`Bee aint gonna wanna be stuck around us two Dan`
`15:43.05`	`dank_work`	`Ah, but age and responsibility are different`
`15:43.14`	`jenson`	`formi: I know that, but I aint allowed.`
`15:43.22`	`dank_work`	`Hum`
`15:43.46`	`formi`	`responisble person: oh yes, really?`
`15:43.59`	`dank_work`	`That'll remain to be seen :)`
`15:44.04`	`formi`	`can you define that tern for me?`
`15:44.28`	`dank_work`	`There's lots of other guys for her...`
`15:45.50`	`formi`	`well Tarragon can't be counted here, he is married and has a webcam`
`15:45.56`	`dank_work`	`Yeah, specially as you'd probably lose, jenson`
`15:46.07`	`jenson`	`He has many webcams formi`
`15:46.50`	`jenson`	`dank_work If I fightwith guys yeah.but not necassarily with giurls`
`15:51.06`	`Tarragon`	`Many web-cams, one partner - very happy`
`15:53.24`	`jenson`	`I'm off to see a mate guys`
`15:53.30`	`Tarragon`	`Bye`
`15:53.32`	`jenson`	`Be back tonight`
`15:53.36`	`*** part/#gllug jenson (~jenson@64.246.28.105)`
`15:53.51`	`murble`	`any victims here who can speak french and wouldn/'t mind doing windows xp support in luxembourg for 2 years?`
`15:57.13`	`formi`	`no mysoginists in here prolly`
`15:59.10`	`Tarragon`	`murble: Non !!`
`16:04.58`	`formi`	`Tarragon: some people start drinking early in the weel`
`16:05.09`	`formi`	`s/weel/week`
`16:07.34`	`murble`	`really nobody?`
`16:08.40`	`formi`	`are you in the recruiting business now murble?`
`16:16.12`	`murble`	`nope, but we need a body, otherwise we don't get the work.`
`16:16.52`	`formi`	`CirilB knows french`
`16:16.58`	`formi`	`CyrilB knows french`
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`16:26.18`	`dank_work`	`Hello, work-IRCer`
`16:28.09`	`Leeds`	`hey :-)`
`16:28.29`	`Leeds`	`so, I gave in... went and rented a car this morning`
`16:28.40`	`dank_work`	`Ahh. So you can drive to Tesco?`
`16:28.49`	`Leeds`	`yeah. and work...`
`16:29.08`	`dank_work`	`So how did you get into work this week?`
`16:32.25`	`formi`	`Leeds: don't you have any workmate who lives nearby?`
`16:41.16`	`highbury`	`Leeds: who did you rent the car from?`
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`16:47.21`	`dank_work`	`Hi zachary`
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`16:54.32`	`Bee_`	`hello everyone`
`16:54.40`	`dank_work`	`Hi Bee_`
`16:54.44`	`Tarragon`	`murble: It was more of a case that you did not really sell it to us. XP - Support - 2 years, bureaucratville - How about "Cutting edge company requires the highest level of technical ability to maintain and develop a wide range of applications in a International company. International travel is guaranteed with a minimum of two years"`
`16:54.48`	`Bee_`	`hi ya`
`16:54.52`	`Bee_`	`hows everything`
`16:54.59`	`Bee_`	`beki is here`
`16:55.04`	`dank_work`	`Not too bad.`
`16:55.20`	`Tarragon`	`Hi Jenson`
`16:55.25`	`Bee_`	`what u up to?`
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`16:55.43`	`jenson`	`hey guys`
`16:55.48`	`dank_work`	`Arg. Too many of you`
`16:55.57`	`jenson`	`It's must me and bee mate`
`16:56.02`	`jenson`	`s/must/just`
`16:56.02`	`Tarragon`	`Deja vu`
`16:56.05`	`dank_work`	`Yeah. Too many of you :)`
`16:56.30`	`Bee_`	`i hate xp so muxh`
`16:56.40`	`dank_work`	`Doesn't everyone?`
`16:56.41`	`Tarragon`	`Leeds: did you hire the car for Fosdem?`
`16:56.42`	`Bee_`	`*much`
`16:57.12`	`Leeds`	`I rented the car from Europcar...`
`16:57.30`	`Leeds`	`I'm not planning on having it long enough for Fosdem...`
`16:57.48`	`Tarragon`	`How many of us can fit in it. Brussels is about 4-5 hours by car.`
`16:58.56`	`jenson`	`You guys'll be tal;king bout FOSDEM from now until it happens`
`16:58.59`	`formi`	`see you later`
`16:59.04`	`jenson`	`see ya formi`
`16:59.09`	`dank_work`	`Nah, from now until we get it all booked`
`16:59.18`	`jenson`	`lol dank_work good point`
`16:59.20`	`Tarragon`	`No - only until Sat`
`16:59.48`	`Tarragon`	`Why what do you want us to discuss?`
`17:00.44`	`jenson`	`Tarragon: Nah it's cool that something intelligent is being discussed.`
`17:01.13`	`Tarragon`	`That's obviously does not involve me then!`
`17:01.51`	`dank_work`	`Are you not coming to FOSDEM, then Tarragon?`
`17:01.59`	`Leeds`	`I've looked again at prices... depending on whether you go to eurostar.com or eurostar.co.uk it's different :-(`
`17:02.01`	`jenson`	`lol or me Tarragon so you are in good company`
`17:02.12`	`dank_work`	`You've finally decided you're not going?`
`17:02.13`	`Leeds`	`87 quid return coming back on Sunday, 59 coming back on Monday...`
`17:02.48`	`Tarragon`	`Yes I will be at Fosdem again. Just lurking pretending I understand any of it.`
`17:03.06`	`dank_work`	`Eek. 30 quid difference. Bugger it all`
`17:04.29`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 16000 usd to gbp`
`17:04.46`	`Bee_`	`ibot jenson`
`17:04.47`		`hmm... jenson is a geek girl, or not in London, or a little crazy, or killing her computer on a regular basis, or innocent and clean-minded, or not, or any number of other things, or having a lot of things added to her profile by the naughty geek guys, or also adding them herself. Red Bull makes her hot, or a Slackware user (or pretends she has the slightest clue what she's doing)`
`17:05.19`	`jenson`	`Gotta go guys`
`17:05.21`	`jenson`	`laterz`
`17:05.25`	`Leeds`	`seeya jenson`
`17:05.27`	`dank_work`	`cya`
`17:05.27`	`Tarragon`	`bye`
`17:05.29`	`Bee_`	`byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee`
`17:05.35`	`Tarragon`	`bye`
`17:05.35`	`jenson`	`Probably going down pub with bee later so dunno when i'll be back`
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`17:07.54`	`zachary`	`bbl`
`17:12.44`	`Leeds`	`so does that mean jenson is or isn't coming to fosdem?`
`17:12.56`	`dank_work`	`I take it that means she isn't`
`17:15.06`	`Leeds`	`Tarragon: you've booked, right?`
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`17:27.42`	`Tarragon`	`No not yet. I was waiting to see when most were travelling. 1027 friday out seems fine - just coming back unsure.`
`17:28.10`	`Leeds`	`me too`
`17:28.36`	`dank_work`	`Personally, I want to come back on Sunday; don't know about the others`
`17:28.44`	`Tarragon`	`And the other problem is where to leave the car.`
`17:29.30`	`Leeds`	`Monday is starting to sound very tempting - I would have to pay for the extra night in the hotel, but the ide of a day in Brussels, and not rushing back on Sunday, sounds nicer as I think about it`
`17:29.41`	`Leeds`	`Tarragon: you could leave it outside my flat if you need to :-)`
`17:30.15`	`Tarragon`	`I would like to but the house prices in the area would fall as a result.`
`17:30.56`	`dank_work`	`Tarragon: Take it to Oxford :)`
`17:31.20`	`Leeds`	`dank_work: I think he meant leave it for the weekend, not forever...`
`17:31.51`	`dank_work`	`:)`
`17:32.43`	`dank_work`	`You'll get your car back, won't you?`
`17:33.19`	`Leeds`	`yeah... to sell it as scrap`
`17:33.26`	`dank_work`	`heh`
`17:33.39`	`Leeds`	`murble: the Ibis from last year is the best bet IMHO`
`17:33.40`	`dank_work`	`maybe it just wasn't meant to go long distances`
`17:33.53`	`murble`	`nobody is going to do the youthhostel thing?`
`17:34.36`	`Leeds`	`dank_work: I've done over 45000 miles in it - just never to Oxford before :-)`
`17:34.39`	`dank_work`	`:)`
`17:35.37`	`murble`	`oh, i found free accomidation last year.`
`17:35.42`	`Tarragon`	`45Kmiles - That's like brand new. Just clocked 148K in one and 117K in second car (Third car only has 29K)`
`17:37.09`	`Leeds`	`yeah, well...`
`17:40.59`	`Tarragon`	`If you are coming back on Monday - then what time train?`
`17:41.28`	`Leeds`	`afternoon/evening`
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`17:42.15`	`Leeds`	`bloody slow site they've got`
`17:42.43`	`Leeds`	`I'd say something like 1701`
`17:42.57`	`Leeds`	`arriving 1843`
`17:46.37`	`Tarragon`	`OK that has probably decided it for me. I will probably come back on Sunday night. A whole extra day in Brussels is too much for me. The Sunday night was appealing (LBW) but I have done Brussels and work phoning continually will spoil things for me. I will speak to Dean and see what he wants to do.`
`17:47.39`	`murble`	`Tarragon: the friday night is LBW`
`17:48.26`	`Tarragon`	`Yes but we also got drunk last time on the Sunday. I remember still drinking with Philip as dawn came up.`
`17:49.26`	`murble`	`which Philip?`
`17:49.56`	`Tarragon`	`The Friday night was in that weird pub upstairs passed the horse with all the balloons on it.`
`17:51.01`	`murble`	`hehe, i think mr paeps is finding a different pub that does liter yards of ale.`
`17:51.08`	`murble`	`s/liter/litler/`
`17:51.20`	`Tarragon`	`Which Philip? I wish I knew. My memory says with Kevin Lee.`
`17:51.36`	`murble`	`Kevin lee has gone gone away run away`
`17:51.53`	`Tarragon`	`Meter of ale does not sound quite right.`
`18:01.12`	`Tarragon`	`L8ers`
`18:03.08`	`Leeds`	`Dean was certainly talking about staying till Monday when I spoke to him about it yesterday, but he said he didn't want to book until after Saturday when we could talk face-to-face about it`
`18:05.55`	`Leeds`	`I'll be taking the day off work on the Monday, and taking the Friday as out-of-the-office-but-working time`
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`18:26.21`	`Leeds`	`right - off to reinstall my sparc box...`
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`19:04.08`	`Tarragon`	`wb`
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`19:04.24`	`dankolb`	`Hi`
`19:04.28`	`Jenson`	`Hey Dan`
`19:04.38`	`Jenson`	`wb formi`
`19:04.42`	`dankolb`	`Spooky. Us getting on at the same time and all`
`19:04.51`	`formi`	`ta`
`19:04.58`	`Jenson`	`lol`
`19:06.26`	`dankolb`	`Good good :)`
`19:06.28`	`dankolb`	`Most people do`
`19:06.31`	`dankolb`	`(who've used it)`
`19:08.32`	`formi`	`just done a cvsup, rocks`
`19:08.48`	`dankolb`	`Yeah :)`
`19:09.38`	`dankolb`	`You done a kernel compile yet?`
`19:10.00`	`formi`	`2 actually`
`19:10.04`	`dankolb`	`cool`
`19:10.12`	`formi`	`funny thing`
`19:10.25`	`formi`	`when booting it freezes`
`19:10.32`	`dankolb`	`Ah`
`19:11.06`	`formi`	`if i put the laptop to hibernation`
`19:11.24`	`formi`	`and then start it again it unfreezes`
`19:11.58`	`dankolb`	`That's odd`
`19:12.07`	`dankolb`	`Probably something odd with power management`
`19:12.30`	`formi`	`i think it migt have to do with pccard`
`19:12.35`	`Jenson`	`My Linux seems to ignore the APM settings completely....`
`19:13.07`	`Jenson`	`BBS`
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`19:14.06`	`dankolb`	`Hm`
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`19:22.41`	`dankolb`	`wb`
`19:22.43`	`Jenson`	`ty`
`19:39.06`	`Jenson`	`BBL`
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`19:39.35`	`formi`	`hi pdr`
`19:39.38`	`pdr`	`hey formi`
`19:39.45`	`pdr`	`tudo bem?`
`19:39.54`	`formi`	`do you still have that php page?`
`19:40.01`	`formi`	`sen problemas`
`19:40.09`	`pdr`	`the test one?`
`19:40.13`	`formi`	`yeap`
`19:40.16`	`pdr`	`qual problemas?`
`19:40.30`	`pdr`	`oh, sem problemas..`
`19:40.30`	`formi`	`"sen" = without`
`19:40.38`	`pdr`	`i'm forgetting my pt`
`19:40.42`	`pdr`	`:)`
`19:40.48`	`formi`	`aparte de non ter trabalho`
`19:40.53`	`formi`	`aparte de non ter traballo`
`19:41.27`	`formi`	`is it easy to put one of those pages up?`
`19:41.29`	`pdr`	`so comenco a semana passada no novo trabalho`
`19:41.32`	`pdr`	`yep`
`19:41.48`	`formi`	`podes decirme como?`
`19:42.23`	`formi`	`im being silly sorry`
`19:42.34`	`Tarragon`	`Que?`
`19:42.43`	`pdr`	`not sure what 'decirme' means anyway :)`
`19:42.56`	`formi`	`there is no point checking the web proxy, if that machine "is" the web proxy`
`19:43.09`	`formi`	`contarme`
`19:43.14`	`formi`	`tell me`
`19:43.45`	`pdr`	`ah`
`19:43.57`	`formi`	`how do you say it properly?`
`19:44.09`	`pdr`	`say what?`
`19:44.36`	`formi`	`for example transalate "how do you say that?"`
`19:45.02`	`pdr`	`'como fala isso?' I think`
`19:45.20`	`pdr`	`or maybe 'como de falar isso'`
`19:45.30`	`pdr`	`er, isto, I mean`
`19:45.32`	`formi`	`fala, agora entendo`
`19:47.39`	`formi`	`que fas no novo traballo?`
`19:48.16`	`pdr`	`mostly server-side C stuff, a bit of perl and a bit of python. integration with php as well.`
`19:48.21`	`pdr`	`it's pretty interesting so far`
`19:49.18`	`pdr`	`qual tipo de trabalho esta buscando?`
`19:55.50`	`formi`	`traballo, estaba pensando en systems operator o algo parecido`
`19:57.45`	`pdr`	`eye69: what's that?`
`19:58.09`	`eye69`	`Perl interface to GnuPG`
`19:58.21`	`eye69`	`It's supposed to give me a filehandle tied into gpg`
`19:58.25`	`eye69`	`Doesn't bloody work`
`19:59.56`	`dankolb`	`(or recommendation against)`
`20:00.11`	`formi`	`thinkpad 570 or even better 570E`
`20:00.17`	`pdr`	`formi: onde esta morando?`
`20:00.29`	`dankolb`	`thanks`
`20:00.31`	`formi`	`en NW5`
`20:00.34`	`zachary`	`against gateway! FKers updated my bios, X stopped working for a year.`
`20:00.51`	`dankolb`	`My friend is after a laptop (to run Windows on)`
`20:00.57`	`dankolb`	`do gateway still do business?`
`20:00.59`	`pdr`	`formi: not too far for a city job then`
`20:01.03`	`formi`	`english please`
`20:01.12`	`formi`	`i didn't say that`
`20:01.20`	`formi`	`hai outro tunante aca`
`20:01.49`	`formi`	`traballar na city non e do meu gusto`
`20:01.59`	`pdr`	`porque nao?`
`20:02.08`	`formi`	`viaxar pola manhan e un cristo`
`20:02.35`	`formi`	`non teria problemas para trabalhar pola noite`
`20:02.48`	`pdr`	`verdade`
`20:03.02`	`pdr`	`not too many night sysop jobs going though :)`
`20:03.27`	`formi`	`jim probably does all`
`20:04.29`	`pdr`	`jim?`
`20:05.06`	`formi`	`one of the gllugers`
`20:05.18`	`formi`	`jim bailey`
`20:05.46`	`pdr`	`ah yeah`
`20:06.02`	`pdr`	`read his posts`
`20:06.28`	`formi`	`trabalha moitas horas de deus`
`20:06.52`	`pdr`	`:)`
`20:06.58`	`formi`	`de volta en 3 minutos`
`20:07.19`	`pdr`	`a que horas?`
`20:07.24`	`pdr`	`normalmente`
`20:08.48`	`pdr`	`i had a lot of trouble getting home last night and before midnight too - ended up having to walk from central london :(`
`20:14.33`	`formi`	`no buses?`
`20:14.44`	`pdr`	`btw, any fosdem-ers, check out my background in the contest! :)`
`20:15.03`	`pdr`	`formi: it was quicker to walk than to wait for the bus`
`20:15.36`	`formi`	`so you weren't that far`
`20:15.46`	`pdr`	`still about 20mins walk`
`20:15.51`	`pdr`	`from tower gateway`
`20:16.11`	`pdr`	`i just managed to catch the last dlr from canary wharf`
`20:16.29`	`pdr`	`since the tube had stopped`
`20:17.25`	`formi`	`anybody wants a 2GB tosh cardbus type hard disk, �70`
`20:21.08`	`formi`	`dank`
`20:21.22`	`formi`	`danklob`
`20:21.45`	`dankolb`	`yeah?`
`20:22.12`	`eye69`	`YES!`
`20:22.12`	`formi`	`if you have 1 fat partition in ad1 whats the full name device of it?`
`20:22.19`	`eye69`	`Got it working. :)`
`20:22.21`	`dankolb`	`Umm, pass`
`20:22.52`	`pdr`	`eye69: Yay!`
`20:23.10`	`dankolb`	`/dev/ad1a ?`
`20:23.15`	`dankolb`	`(or what's appropriate)`
`20:23.27`	`pdr`	`bbiab (dinner)`
`20:24.11`	`eye69`	`Written a perl program which debits credit/debit cards and encrypts the logfile using GPG.`
`20:24.34`	`dankolb`	`cool`
`20:25.04`	`formi`	`eye69: do u want a 2GB tosh cardbus type hard disk, �70 ??`
`20:25.33`	`eye69`	`formi: Nah`
`20:25.41`	`formi`	`actual owner is swedish`
`20:26.01`	`eye69`	`Still don't. :)`
`20:26.34`	`formi`	`i would take but im broke`
`20:27.36`	`eye69`	`I don't have that much use of storage on the laptop, and it's a work laptop anyway...`
`20:27.45`	`formi`	`or a ipaq 3630?`
`20:28.29`	`formi`	`�125`
`20:30.08`	`eye69`	`I might've gone for it if it was next month...the graphics card, hard drive and mouse raped my wallet this month`
`20:30.11`	`formi`	`ebay auction #3000760667`
`21:20.05`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`21:20.35`	`formi`	`dank, have you ever installed flash for mozilla or phoenix in fb?`
`21:20.45`	`dankolb`	`Emm. I don't think so`
`21:20.55`	`dankolb`	`But it should be in the ports collection`
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`21:21.08`	`dankolb`	`hi mazogs`
`21:21.16`	`mazogs`	`hello`
`21:21.20`	`dankolb`	`how's it going?`
`21:21.36`	`formi`	`hi maz`
`21:21.38`	`mazogs`	`long since i connected for the last time..`
`21:21.43`	`mazogs`	`hello all`
`21:21.45`	`dankolb`	`yeah`
`21:21.48`	`mazogs`	`im ok thanks`
`21:21.53`	`formi`	`been on holidays?`
`21:21.53`	`mazogs`	`and you?`
`21:22.04`	`dankolb`	`not so bad`
`21:22.09`	`mazogs`	`oh no... i don't have holidays yet!`
`21:22.14`	`mazogs`	`nor work!`
`21:22.16`	`mazogs`	`:-)`
`21:22.25`	`mazogs`	`will i see you tomorrow?`
`21:22.26`	`dankolb`	`it's a permanent holiday :)`
`21:22.34`	`mazogs`	`yes!`
`21:22.37`	`dankolb`	`see who tomorrow?`
`21:23.14`	`mazogs`	`i applied for the job affered at the gllug mailing list, do you remember? i don't have received any answer yet...`
`21:23.37`	`dankolb`	`ahh. The Motion Picture Company job?`
`21:23.42`	`mazogs`	`i don't know, i thought tomorrow there would be a meeting...`
`21:23.51`	`mazogs`	`yes, that one`
`21:23.53`	`dankolb`	`tomorrow is Tuesday`
`21:23.58`	`dankolb`	`the meeting is on Saturday`
`21:23.59`	`mazogs`	`a lonix meeting`
`21:24.07`	`mazogs`	`oh i see`
`21:24.07`	`dankolb`	`That's on thursday, isn't it?`
`21:24.16`	`mazogs`	`:-)`
`21:24.28`	`mazogs`	`i don't know...`
`21:24.31`	`dankolb`	`but I won't be there for Lonix`
`21:25.00`	`mazogs`	`why? aren't you friends?`
`21:25.20`	`dankolb`	`Yeah, but I'm not in London`
`21:25.27`	`dankolb`	`It's a bit much for me to go to Lonix`
`21:25.52`	`mazogs`	`oh i see, next time then...`
`21:26.01`	`dankolb`	`Are you coming on Saturday?`
`21:26.17`	`mazogs`	`yes, i hope so`
`21:26.28`	`dankolb`	`so I'll probably see you then`
`21:26.35`	`mazogs`	`ok`
`21:27.02`	`mazogs`	`are the details in the gllug web?`
`21:27.33`	`dankolb`	`yeah`
`21:27.50`	`mazogs`	`ok, i'll see there`
`21:28.02`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`21:29.45`	`mazogs`	`Lonix is this thursday at 18.00`
`21:29.54`	`dankolb`	`yeah, I won't be there`
`21:32.51`	`mazogs`	`the talks in gllug sounds very interesting, i didn't know there were talks`
`21:35.21`	`dankolb`	`Yeah, there always are`
`21:36.43`	`mazogs`	`about how many people use to go there?`
`21:36.52`	`dankolb`	`Quite a few`
`21:36.55`	`dankolb`	`Between 30 and 100`
`21:37.18`	`mazogs`	`it's not bad...`
`21:37.29`	`dankolb`	`Nope`
`21:37.42`	`mazogs`	`how will i recognise you?`
`21:37.53`	`dankolb`	`I'll be the one with a girl`
`21:38.13`	`mazogs`	`are you the only one with a girl!?`
`21:38.24`	`dankolb`	`I haven't seen others in Gllug :)`
`21:38.41`	`dankolb`	`(well, maybe two girls, if we come in after you do)`
`21:38.56`	`mazogs`	`ok`
`21:39.14`	`dankolb`	`Oh, and I'll probably be wearing a geek T-Shirt :)`
`21:39.26`	`mazogs`	`so i just have to find a girl to know who you are :-)`
`21:39.31`	`dankolb`	`Well, yeah :)`
`21:39.37`	`mazogs`	`that's ok, very easy!`
`21:39.40`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`21:40.40`	`dankolb`	`Yup`
`21:41.56`	`mazogs`	`Yup? what is Yup?`
`21:42.52`	`dankolb`	`Yes`
`21:43.49`	`mazogs`	`ah ok..`
`21:49.12`	`dankolb`	`Otherwise, I've got fairly short hair and about 5'11"`
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`21:50.13`	`dankolb`	`wb`
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`21:50.57`	`mazogs`	`ty`
`21:51.02`	`dankolb`	`hi cupis`
`21:51.05`	`mazogs`	`hello cupis`
`21:51.14`	`cupis`	`hullo all`
`21:51.25`	`dankolb`	`how's it going?`
`21:51.42`	`cupis`	`okay, thanks. you?`
`21:51.51`	`dankolb`	`yeah, not too bad, thanks`
`21:52.06`	`cupis`	`training for what?`
`21:52.15`	`dankolb`	`Opentext Livelink`
`21:52.19`	`dankolb`	`(www.opentext.com)`
`21:52.25`	`dankolb`	`anyway, I'm off for food`
`21:52.26`	`dankolb`	`BIAB`
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`21:59.54`	`omphe`	`Evening all.`
`22:00.26`	`dankolb_eating`	`evening`
`22:00.53`	`cupis`	`dankolb: easting, working and chatting at the same time? impressive.`
`22:00.59`	`dankolb`	`Nah`
`22:01.06`	`dankolb`	`Returned from eating`
`22:01.09`	`cupis`	`:)`
`22:01.15`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`22:02.23`	`omphe`	`Wish I had the discipline, all my keyboards are full of crumbs.`
`22:02.30`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`22:06.21`	`omphe`	`(see also: crumbs in keyboard)`
`22:06.57`	`dankolb`	`no crumbs in this keyboard`
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`22:17.15`	`dankolb`	`hi`
`22:17.19`	`dankolb`	`at last :)`
`22:18.26`	`Jenson`	`hi`
`22:18.28`	`dankolb`	`:)`
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`22:38.18`	`Jenson`	`hey formi`
`22:52.50`	`cupis`	`BOO!`
`22:53.17`	`cupis`	`nope, just as I thought - everyone here is asleep`
`22:53.34`	`Jenson`	`Hey cupis`
`22:53.47`	`cupis`	`hey Jenson`
`22:53.52`	`cupis`	`so someone is awake`
`22:53.56`	`Jenson`	`yeah lol`
`22:53.58`	`cupis`	`dankolb: delayed reaction?`
`22:54.02`	`dankolb`	`yup`
`22:54.07`	`Jenson`	`I wasn't in the room that was why`
`22:54.12`	`Jenson`	`I'd gone to speak to my mum`
`22:54.55`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`23:13.53`	`formi`	`sorry just playing at wireless war games`
`23:29.37`	`pdr`	`back... but past my bedtime now.. seeyaz. good luck with the site/job search formi.`
`23:46.20`	`*** part/#gllug Jenson (Jenson@host213-123-54-74.in-addr.btopenworld.com)`
`23:47.07`	`*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@vmlinuz.fsnet.co.uk)`
`23:47.20`	`dankolb`	`hi Leeds`
`23:47.25`	`Leeds`	`hey dank`
`23:47.33`	`dankolb`	`how's it going?`
`23:48.03`	`Leeds`	`not too bad`
`23:48.15`	`Leeds`	`had a nice small-world thing happen :-)`
`23:48.25`	`Leeds`	`and been over to see my cousin and his new baby :-)`
`23:48.29`	`Leeds`	`you?`
`23:48.49`	`Leeds`	`oh, and set them up with Trillian :-)`
`23:48.50`	`dankolb`	`Cool :)`
`23:48.52`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`23:48.58`	`dankolb`	`I'm okay. Tired :)`
`23:49.39`	`Leeds`	`unless you really don't want it, you're about to hear the small-world story...`
`23:50.12`	`dankolb`	`Go on, then. As long as it's not too long :)`
`23:50.35`	`Leeds`	`well... :-)`
`23:51.05`	`Leeds`	`back in 1994, I was on a study program (approximately) in Israel, living in dorms in a study center in Jerusalem`
`23:52.17`	`Leeds`	`we had a bunch of teachers, and two youngish (post-army, around 22) Israeli madrichim (leaders, approximately - they were somewhat like tutors in halls at Uni)`
`23:53.28`	`Leeds`	`one was a bloke called Dror who'd been in the Navy, who played the flute, and who liked an Israeli singer called Noa (full name Achinoam Nini) - and played her music to all of us, trying to get us to like her stuff too`
`23:54.27`	`Leeds`	`I quite liked her music, bought a couple of her tapes (on the grey market) as part of my 'immersing in Israeli culture' thing...`
`23:55.31`	`Leeds`	`she came to London a couple of years later, and UJS (the Union of Jewish Students) promoted the conference, so a bunch of us (mainly people who'd been in Israel with me) came down from Liverpool for the weekend for the concert - much fun was had by all`
`23:55.44`	`dankolb`	`cool :)`
`23:56.55`	`Leeds`	`since then I've bought a couple of her other CDs, and joined her online 'fan club' (a yahoo group), having actually ordered her latest English CD (she mainly sings in English and Hebrew, also French and Spanish) from an online shop in Israel`
`23:58.08`	`Leeds`	`last year, she performed in London for the second time ever, and I went along, met a couple (never worked out if they were a real couple or not...) of the more dedicated fan-club people who'd come over from the continent for the concert and went backstage after the concert to meet Noa and the band, which was exceedingly cool`
`23:59.06`	`Leeds`	`except for the fact that the stage was invaded by a couple of anti-Israel protesters (fuckwits - Noa is pro-peace, regularly performs at peace rallies, criticises the Israeli government and often performs with Palestinian friends of hers)`
`23:59.27`	`Leeds`	`I was sitting right at the front - they ran past me, scared Noa shitless and so on :-(`

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