00:03.08 | Clyphox | gtg.. cya later.. |
00:03.18 | Huhn | bye, Clyphox |
00:17.26 | its-formi | http://www.ctheory.net/text_file.asp?pick=327 |
00:17.36 | its-formi | interesting reading |
00:22.23 | highbury | a bit heavy though... |
00:26.52 | its-formi | I usually read this kind of literature |
00:27.06 | its-formi | to improve my phonetics |
00:29.38 | its-formi | shit, pine crashed on me, 1st though |
00:34.19 | Huhn | pine? |
00:34.31 | Huhn | like in pine the mail client? |
00:35.02 | its-formi | yes |
00:35.25 | its-formi | and tried it again and it crashed again |
00:36.00 | its-formi | happily there was only one mail in that folder. |
00:36.43 | Huhn | mh, why do you try this rather old program? |
00:38.01 | its-formi | what do you mean with old? |
00:38.48 | Huhn | mh, I used it several years ago.. |
00:39.01 | Huhn | some day I switched to mutt, I think it's much better |
00:39.32 | its-formi | http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshDoc/toc_FatalFacts.html |
00:39.38 | its-formi | another laugh |
00:39.47 | its-formi | Im happy with pine |
00:39.55 | Huhn | so was I |
00:41.07 | Huhn | until I tried mutt ;) |
00:42.29 | Huhn | do you have different mail accounts? mail addresses? which you want to forward to one account? |
00:43.54 | eye69 | Sure, I was quite happy with mutt, but I wanted something which installed without hassle |
00:44.00 | eye69 | Haven't regretted it yet |
00:44.11 | eye69 | s/mutt/pine/ |
00:44.17 | Huhn | eye69: ah ;) |
00:44.32 | Huhn | I like the folder hook feature |
00:44.40 | eye69 | I don't use that. |
00:44.55 | eye69 | Don't think I use many features of it. |
00:45.01 | Huhn | it's brilliant, different mail accounts with different signatures |
00:45.05 | Huhn | that's really cool |
00:45.22 | Huhn | eye69: do you use spamassassin? |
00:45.27 | eye69 | Huhn: Yup |
00:45.33 | eye69 | Very pleased with it |
00:45.44 | Huhn | yes, me too |
00:45.53 | Huhn | gpg? |
00:46.05 | eye69 | Yeah |
00:46.09 | Huhn | :) |
00:46.15 | eye69 | Don't use it often though |
00:46.46 | Huhn | I got my key signed during the last lbw, would like to have another key signing party soon |
00:47.17 | eye69 | Recoded our billing code recently...one logfile per transaction, GPG encrypted |
00:47.30 | Huhn | nice |
01:01.28 | HuhnZzZ | -> bed, nn |
01:02.46 | its-formi | good HuhnZzZ |
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06:31.21 | zachary | Good morning |
08:59.28 | murble | is it? |
09:04.05 | Tarragon | Well nothing too bad yet, so yes. |
09:04.47 | skugg | good morning |
09:07.19 | zachary | Well I started out brewing a cup of tea instead of coffee. That shows you how awake I was. |
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09:09.17 | dank_work | Grrrrrrr |
09:09.21 | dank_work | Somehow this swerver got rebooted |
09:09.37 | skugg | me going to uni to have exam now. wish me luck! |
09:09.42 | skugg | my hell ends today! :) |
09:09.48 | zachary | Good luck skugg |
09:10.06 | dank_work | Good luck! |
09:10.23 | zachary | dank_work: Good morning. Sounds like you are in good spirits today. :-) |
09:11.12 | skugg | yesh ;) |
09:11.13 | Tarragon | Good Luck |
09:11.49 | skugg | timetable for today: exam 10-12, bar 12-13, work 13-16 :D |
09:12.33 | dank_work | And my phone just seemed to reboot itself |
10:19.26 | dank_work | Blog |
10:19.34 | dank_work | apt for RPM is nice |
10:25.14 | davilion | morning all |
10:26.49 | davilion | skugg: good luck |
10:27.41 | dank_work | Hi dav |
10:28.15 | dank_work | Microsoft Office 2000 Premium: What Productivity Means Today |
10:37.17 | davilion | heh, thats a bit cynical isnt it? |
10:40.07 | dank_work | No, it's what it says on the CD cover |
10:41.45 | davilion | heh |
10:41.54 | davilion | how shite. |
10:44.19 | dank_work | yeah |
10:44.26 | dank_work | But I'm installing it anyway |
10:44.46 | dank_work | It deals better with the bork3d RTF that DocBook produces (i.e. it ignored some of the formatting) |
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10:50.46 | dank_work | hi rp1 |
10:50.57 | rp1 | hi |
10:51.15 | rp1 | does an1 know how to use sendmail properly? |
10:52.55 | dank_work | Remove it and install a different mail server? |
10:54.00 | rp1 | i suppose u right. |
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11:01.22 | Tarragon | :-) |
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11:40.08 | LordBlaa | yo everyone |
11:40.11 | Tarragon | Hi LordBlaa |
11:40.19 | LordBlaa | hey Tarragon |
11:40.27 | LordBlaa | how's everyone? |
11:41.08 | Tarragon | Quiet - everyone seems to be working or exams. What are you up to? |
11:41.45 | LordBlaa | gah |
11:41.51 | LordBlaa | had an exam earlier, just got home from it |
11:42.19 | LordBlaa | got an exam tomorrow too.. |
11:42.40 | Tarragon | So this is going to be a very short visit then... |
11:42.46 | LordBlaa | lol |
11:42.57 | LordBlaa | i wasn't planning on it being short |
11:43.04 | LordBlaa | you can see how devoted i am to my studies ;) |
11:44.28 | LordBlaa | whatcha upto yourself? |
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11:45.47 | LordBlaa | gah |
11:46.01 | LordBlaa | wb |
11:46.06 | Tarragon | Working, but listening to music in the background |
11:46.25 | LordBlaa | cool cool |
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11:48.13 | Tarragon | No. Never. but keps me off the streets and not a burden on the local community help. |
11:48.15 | Tarragon | What is the next exam? |
11:48.15 | LordBlaa | hehe, fair play |
11:48.24 | LordBlaa | psychology :/ |
11:48.59 | Tarragon | Sounds impressive |
11:49.19 | LordBlaa | heh |
11:49.36 | LordBlaa | it's not, it's just boring |
11:49.51 | LordBlaa | watcha listening to then? |
11:50.21 | Tarragon | Madrugada ? |
11:50.40 | LordBlaa | ooh never heard of it/him/her/them |
11:51.09 | Tarragon | Norwegian rock band |
11:51.32 | LordBlaa | oh lovely |
11:52.03 | LordBlaa | listening to some finntroll myself, finnish polka-metal |
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11:52.19 | LordBlaa | yo formi |
11:53.01 | formi | helllo |
11:54.22 | formi | ibot convert 5.5" to cm |
11:54.35 | formi | ibot convert 5.5in to cm |
11:55.16 | LordBlaa | how useful |
11:55.24 | LordBlaa | brb |
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11:57.34 | zachary | ibot convert formi to german |
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11:58.07 | Tarragon | wb |
11:58.21 | LordBlaa | ta |
11:58.51 | formi | zachary: nice try but not |
11:59.33 | zachary | Thought I would give it a try. |
12:00.15 | Tarragon | Closest German words are Forma and Form- (as in ProForma invoice and forming tool) |
12:00.28 | formi | go to formi.com |
12:01.43 | formi | or formi.net for a good laugh |
12:01.46 | Tarragon | So its French |
12:02.21 | Tarragon | Norwegian pig food? |
12:02.29 | formi | yeap |
12:03.08 | zachary | lol |
12:03.26 | formi | i hope bash doesn't come after me because of formi.org.uk |
12:03.38 | formi | s/bash/basf |
12:04.29 | Tarragon | Why? Because of the graphic? |
12:05.49 | formi | no, the trademark on formi |
12:06.15 | formi | I have been know as Formi since 1989 |
12:06.36 | LordBlaa | wow |
12:07.21 | formi | and my village is called A Formiga, so I have a clain on the name |
12:08.22 | LordBlaa | fair play man |
12:08.40 | Tarragon | What is the command to tell me about hard disk geometry such as sectors and cylinders? |
12:08.48 | formi | LordBlaa: are you somebody I know? |
12:09.00 | LordBlaa | nto really formi |
12:09.06 | formi | ok |
12:09.16 | LordBlaa | think i've seen you in here a coupla times |
12:09.40 | formi | so you've been here 3 times |
12:10.52 | LordBlaa | nah i've been here loads of times |
12:16.31 | formi | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2301618853&category=179 |
12:16.42 | formi | unbelievable price |
12:17.31 | formi | too good to be true, |
12:18.36 | LordBlaa | that's damn sweet |
12:19.28 | Tarragon | Did you bid? |
12:20.11 | SpudUAway | I'm sure that when it is re-listed a comma will be added! |
12:20.11 | formi | nope |
12:20.51 | formi | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303002995&category=179 |
12:21.25 | SpudUAway | Maybe not! |
12:22.00 | LordBlaa | lol |
12:23.03 | formi | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2301785108&category=1486 |
12:23.10 | formi | im sad i lost that one |
12:23.51 | SpudUAway | Fred was keen. |
12:25.08 | formi | I was keen, but my sponsor was a bit slow |
12:29.25 | Huhn | moin |
12:29.25 | Tarragon | wb Huhn |
12:29.35 | dank_work | Hullo |
12:30.21 | Huhn | hotelroom booked, Fosdem, I'm coming ;) |
12:30.32 | dank_work | Arg. I need to book, too |
12:30.49 | Tarragon | www.atlas.be for hotel |
12:30.59 | Huhn | this is your personal Huhn reminder: please book a room for Fosdem, dank_work |
12:31.09 | dank_work | Thank you, Huhn |
12:31.48 | Huhn | dank_work: that's what I did |
12:31.56 | dank_work | Okay :) |
12:32.03 | Huhn | I asked a friend of mine if he would share a twin room |
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12:53.40 | zachary | Tarragon: Did someone answer your question about he hdparm command? |
12:59.34 | Tarragon | No but fortunately remembered. I just needed the CHS order for a drive. |
12:59.41 | Tarragon | But TY anyway |
13:00.44 | zachary | np |
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13:38.08 | pdr | hi |
13:40.32 | pdr | ok i guess noone's around then... |
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13:55.19 | formi | ibot convert £75 to euros |
13:55.36 | formi | ibot convert 75 pounds to euros |
13:55.49 | formi | ibot convert 75 pounds to eur |
13:55.54 | formi | ibot convert 75 pounds to eu |
13:56.11 | zachary | try gbp |
13:56.22 | formi | ibot convert 75 gbp to eu |
13:57.16 | zachary | ibot convert 7gbp to eur |
13:57.58 | formi | ibot convert GBP75 to eu |
13:58.37 | formi | ibot convert GB75 to eu |
14:00.12 | formi | ibot go to hell |
14:00.13 | | hmm... go to hell is a song |
14:02.32 | zachary | formi: Looks like ibot got the last laugh. :) |
14:02.59 | formi | they don't have a brain so, so they can laugh |
14:06.37 | StuartC | plural is "euro" iirc (tho most of britain is misusing it so it'll become accepted) |
14:06.39 | highbury | ibot convert £10 to euros |
14:07.25 | formi | another bites the dust |
14:08.37 | zachary | highbury: Would you like me to dcc you the pictures? |
14:21.08 | highbury | easier to email surely |
14:40.53 | zachary | bbl |
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14:56.12 | Clyphox | Hello! anyone here? |
14:56.17 | Tarragon | no |
14:56.34 | Clyphox | This is very important! resudaed is missing! |
14:56.50 | Clyphox | His mom has reported it to the police now too.. does anyone know anything..? |
14:56.55 | Clyphox | (Not a joke) |
14:56.55 | Tarragon | How do you mean? |
14:57.19 | Clyphox | No one knows where he is. I last saw him at 01:30 Tuesday morning.. |
14:57.28 | Tarragon | Does Elizabeth know anything? |
14:57.59 | Clyphox | Nope. just that he was talking about going to see someone in Colechester or something.. maybe someone he/we met on Saturday.. |
14:58.32 | Clyphox | I hope its all just my mom getting dramatic but he hasn't done this before.. |
14:58.48 | SpudULike | <PROTECTED> |
14:58.57 | SpudULike | ibot logs |
14:58.58 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
14:59.23 | SpudULike | Ooh stats. |
14:59.33 | Clyphox | He's always on anyway.. |
14:59.45 | Tarragon | ibot seen resudaed_yawa |
14:59.45 | | resudaed_yawa is currently on #gllug (1d 12h 43m 41s) |
15:00.42 | Clyphox | Has anyone got logs of it? Because he was invited by this mysterious being but no-one actually knows who.. |
15:02.49 | Clyphox | weird.. |
15:03.05 | Tarragon | OK when was the invite? |
15:03.49 | Clyphox | I don't know.. Beth sais that he mentioned it sometime.. I don't know anything.. been asked to chase it up by my mom.. |
15:04.09 | Clyphox | He didn't say anything about it when I saw him. |
15:04.16 | murble | ibot please erase logs |
15:04.17 | | murble: bugger all, i dunno |
15:04.21 | Clyphox | Just talked about how much sleep he needed and blackbox hehe |
15:05.34 | Clyphox | I'll swing round his house when I'm off work, root his box and see if he's logged into it and maybe try to track the IP or something.. |
15:06.08 | Clyphox | Does woody still use passwd or is it PAM or something btw? |
15:07.09 | Clyphox | nm.. bbiam.. mail.. |
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15:19.53 | Clyphox | I think its 72 Nags Head Rd |
15:19.59 | Clyphox | Enfield Highway |
15:20.00 | Clyphox | Middx |
15:20.06 | Clyphox | En3 ??? |
15:20.14 | Clyphox | Can get it if you want |
15:20.14 | Tarragon | yes |
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16:29.29 | Clyphox | Hi all |
16:29.48 | Clyphox | resudaed has been found in a gutter in Colchester.. |
16:30.20 | Clyphox | resudaed er.. sorry the gutter thing comes after he gets home and his mom beats him to death tonight I think hehe |
16:30.57 | Clyphox | he's ok. Silly twat. His mom has been so frantic and even made mine get all dramatic on me.. |
16:31.22 | Clyphox | anyways.. I'm still at work and must now hide from my boss.. cya all later.. |
16:57.35 | dank_work | Hm |
16:57.37 | dank_work | Eek |
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19:32.21 | formi_brb | <PROTECTED> |
19:32.45 | zachary | evening formi |
19:33.01 | formi | evenning zach |
19:33.27 | formi | what's up? |
19:33.59 | zachary | nothing much, just reading the news. |
19:35.59 | formi | im configuring a kernel |
19:36.18 | zachary | FreeBSD or Linux |
19:36.51 | formi | FB for the old laptop, a bit of trimming needed, it has 8MB of ram |
19:39.42 | zachary | w/ 8mb, sounds fun. |
19:41.01 | formi | it might be used as a router, pcmcia -> plip |
19:42.24 | zachary | That's what I'm using. Slightly more power though. 333Mhz, 160Mb ram, 10 GB hd |
19:42.49 | zachary | I was thinkig of using one of the miniATX. Like the one john herns was showing. |
19:44.33 | formi | and you have a machine like that just as a router? |
19:49.04 | zachary | Well I'm not going to use my 600Mhz PIII, 440MB ram, 120GB HD. |
19:50.09 | formi | im always surprised how much spare cycles are wasted |
19:50.42 | formi | s/much/many |
19:53.17 | zachary | What I want to do is use a miniATX board, 2.5" 4GB ata hd, 32 MB SDRAM, for a router. |
19:53.35 | formi | come on, |
19:53.59 | zachary | All I need is the mobo and power supply. |
19:54.22 | formi | you can get something like a sparc with 2 nics for £60 |
19:57.51 | formi | they are small, do the job and they are quiet, and you don't add to global pollution |
20:01.45 | zachary | need usb port and ethernet port |
20:02.36 | formi | usb? |
20:03.13 | zachary | alcatel adsl modem |
20:03.39 | formi | all right, |
20:06.22 | formi | I've never liked all those new gizmos, especially usb, firewire is fine |
20:10.45 | Huhn | <- off to the ice hockey training, bye |
20:25.44 | zachary | formi: Under the General Setup in the linux kernal config. Do you see any reason not to include BSD Process Accountig for a desktop? |
20:26.43 | formi | if you are doing dodgy stuff with the machine.... |
20:28.08 | zachary | How about for a productiveity (KDE, mail, internet, gimp, etc...)? |
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20:28.36 | formi | basically it logs the username, and what you are running, |
20:28.41 | omphe | Evening everyone. |
20:28.51 | formi | hi omphe |
20:29.43 | formi | you don't really need it, but it also doesn't impact on performance, |
20:29.46 | zachary | sugar overload! |
20:31.07 | formi | i think is the process that writes to wtmp, also found in linux |
20:31.32 | zachary | Jess made some brownies, using Rollos. |
20:31.59 | zachary | sorry, I am being corrected. Rollos melted in the middle. |
20:32.10 | omphe | zachary: my pancreas hurts thinking about it. |
20:32.47 | zachary | They are good, almost too good. |
20:33.40 | omphe | You could make a fortune at Burning Man with those. |
20:33.54 | formi | and blow another getting there |
20:34.35 | omphe | Had a friend who swapped chocolate bars for .5 z's |
20:34.38 | zachary | If I make the next batch, I'm going to include Rollos, brandy and espresso beans. |
20:36.43 | zachary | thanks formi for the help |
20:37.36 | formi | im afraid that is something i have been meaning to do for a long time |
20:38.08 | zachary | formi: which is? |
20:38.48 | formi | learn the ins and outs of process logging |
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21:12.01 | Clyphox | Hi all |
21:12.14 | formi | hello |
21:12.20 | formi | dank |
21:12.23 | omphe | 'lo |
21:12.25 | dankolb | hi |
21:12.26 | dankolb | Clyphox: What were you saying about Resudaed before? |
21:12.32 | dankolb | ooh lots of people |
21:12.36 | zachary | evening dankolb |
21:13.02 | Clyphox | dankolb: Turns out he's ok. Still can't get hold of him though.. |
21:13.10 | dankolb | Ah |
21:13.24 | Clyphox | Must be some kinda weird 20-year-male-menopause |
21:13.34 | dankolb | Hehe |
21:14.56 | Tarragon | Dull stuff: Reading the MS XP EULA. "1.3 Device Connections. You may permit a maximum of ten (10) computers or other electronic devices (each a "Device") to the Workstation Computer to utilize |
21:15.00 | Tarragon | one or more of the following services of the Software: File Services, Print Services, Internet Information Services, and remote access (including connection sharing and telephony services). |
21:15.11 | dankolb | hm |
21:16.15 | omphe | Should print that in a word bubble over tux's head on a t-shirt. |
21:20.31 | zachary | Let me guess. Is that MS's way of telling you that if you are sharing resources to more than 10 clients, you need to buy their server edition. |
21:20.35 | dankolb | Yup |
21:22.14 | zachary | Use linux and with the money saved, buy a nice file/print server. |
21:22.25 | dankolb | Yeah |
21:29.32 | Tarragon | 2.3 ... You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Software and/or its components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades and fixes to the Software that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer. |
21:29.48 | Tarragon | Hey can they not say SpyWare |
21:30.29 | omphe | How do you write an iptable to keep that sh*t out? |
21:31.31 | zachary | Looks like MS's legal department also doubles as their marketing department. |
21:31.32 | dankolb | Firstly, use a decent firewall |
21:32.02 | dankolb | Then do a: block out on $ExtIF from any to microsoft.com |
21:32.13 | Tarragon | Smoothwall, IPCop, ESmith, Bastille, Tiny, ShoreWall... |
21:32.33 | dankolb | OpenBSD... |
21:32.38 | dankolb | Solaris/ipf; FreeBSD/ipf |
21:32.47 | omphe | Figures, I make a joke and learn something. |
21:33.26 | dankolb | :-) |
21:33.28 | dankolb | We have no sense of humour |
21:33.29 | omphe | While we're on topic, are these hardware fw/adsl/router boxes any good? |
21:33.31 | dankolb | We are #gllug |
21:33.37 | dankolb | Yes, as ADSL routers |
21:33.55 | omphe | But not for firewalling? |
21:34.36 | omphe | I want to filter traffic coming from my wireless internally. |
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21:40.48 | Tarragon | Mmm Choc chip buns |
21:44.44 | zachary | Tarragon: Don't even mention chocolate. I'm experiencing overload! |
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21:50.33 | dankolb | omphe: I don't use mine as a firewall |
21:50.41 | dankolb | But the NATting features work well enough |
21:51.22 | omphe | I think I need a smoothwall style firewall box. |
21:51.33 | dankolb | No you don't :) |
21:51.40 | dankolb | You need OpenBSD running pf |
21:51.41 | omphe | But I love the idea of silent hardware. |
21:51.44 | dankolb | Everyone does |
21:51.55 | dankolb | You can run it on a quiet PC |
21:52.01 | dankolb | And on lots more hardware besides |
21:58.04 | omphe | Desperately need dinner. Later. |
21:59.43 | formi | dank, have you ever messed about with fb VM kernel settings? |
21:59.47 | dankolb | Nope |
21:59.49 | dankolb | Sorry |
22:00.49 | formi | it is so bloody difficult to get answer from the fb geek morons |
22:01.17 | dankolb | Is it not in the documentation? |
22:06.15 | formi | not really |
22:08.13 | dankolb | Ah |
22:09.31 | formi | brb |
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22:09.50 | dankolb | Hi air1 |
22:10.09 | air1 | hey there |
22:10.30 | dankolb | You look new here |
22:10.58 | air1 | humm yeah, i'm rarely on irc |
22:11.18 | air1 | just visiting really, i sometimes pop up at the glug meeting |
22:11.47 | air1 | so the subject is the next install fest really |
22:11.55 | dankolb | It is the subject, yes :) |
22:12.05 | dankolb | And why are you only rarely on IRC? ;-) |
22:12.23 | air1 | well, job girlfriend, commuting.... |
22:12.52 | dankolb | Mobile phone, PDA, IRC client... |
22:13.05 | dankolb | And what sort of girlfriend doesn't let you IRC? ;-) |
22:13.25 | air1 | give a guess |
22:13.52 | dankolb | Aww. |
22:14.44 | air1 | so yeah you at work right now or... |
22:14.56 | air1 | i don't know, i don't work in IT |
22:15.19 | dankolb | Ah right. What do you work in? |
22:15.26 | dankolb | No - I'm at home. |
22:16.01 | air1 | errr.... customer service really, wish i had a job in IT though |
22:16.11 | air1 | what do you do excatly |
22:16.15 | dankolb | I don't know :) |
22:16.21 | dankolb | Sysadmin-type work, basically |
22:16.27 | dankolb | But never got a job description |
22:16.29 | air1 | on unix? |
22:16.44 | air1 | that leaves your options open |
22:17.06 | dankolb | Unix and Windows |
22:17.22 | air1 | servers? workstations? |
22:18.16 | air1 | do you run solely linux on your nix work or other unices... |
22:18.41 | dankolb | Both |
22:18.47 | dankolb | I'm running OS X on this 'ere laptop |
22:18.52 | dankolb | I'm running FreeBSD on my work workstation |
22:19.08 | air1 | humm they make nice laptops apple |
22:19.17 | dankolb | I have a Solaris and Win2k server of 'my own' at work |
22:19.29 | air1 | haha, so you too are a defector to the linux fraternity |
22:19.43 | dankolb | to? No, away from |
22:20.00 | air1 | currently running freebsd, and openbsd at home |
22:20.10 | dankolb | A basically stopped using it as my desktop when I left Uni |
22:20.12 | air1 | myself i mean |
22:20.12 | dankolb | s/A/I/ |
22:20.15 | dankolb | Good good :) |
22:20.18 | dankolb | We like BSD users |
22:20.20 | dankolb | (well, I do) |
22:20.52 | zachary | I'm off to bed. Good night |
22:20.55 | air1 | good then, i'm actually currently only using bsds... |
22:21.06 | dankolb | :) |
22:21.22 | dankolb | We have a crap Linux firewall, which needed to be replaced for > 2 years |
22:21.29 | air1 | good to know there's none of these silly arguments you sometimes see on /. threads |
22:21.35 | dankolb | Yeah |
22:21.40 | dankolb | I hate Linux firewalling, personally |
22:22.01 | air1 | what type of firewall, ipchains, iptables |
22:22.06 | dankolb | So I stuck Smoothwall on the future-replacement firewall, rejigged the partitions, and installed OpenBSD |
22:22.25 | air1 | ho ho, i was just gonna ask you about obsd |
22:22.30 | dankolb | :) |
22:23.05 | air1 | funny, i never got to use iptables, but was told it really isn't dumbed down to configure |
22:23.11 | dankolb | And pf even has loadbalancing support - if I could get it on our testbed and staging servers, that'd save a dedicated loadbalancer |
22:23.24 | air1 | i think obsd is rally the best for edge devices |
22:23.26 | dankolb | iptables is horrible nasty evil POS |
22:23.38 | air1 | you using obsd3.2?? |
22:23.38 | dankolb | It's very much a write-once firewall |
22:23.40 | dankolb | Yup |
22:24.00 | dankolb | Although the loadbalancing could possibly have been added later |
22:24.17 | air1 | there are quite a few things that are gonna come into place with obsd |
22:24.31 | dankolb | Yeah |
22:24.35 | dankolb | Like the bandwidth limiting |
22:24.39 | dankolb | (added late November) |
22:24.42 | air1 | frankly, i don't know much about programming, but i think these guys are really going at it fast |
22:25.24 | dankolb | They are |
22:25.30 | dankolb | Seeing as they started, what, 18 months ago? |
22:25.45 | air1 | i mean a release every 6months and god there are somany new features everytime added to the core os |
22:25.56 | dankolb | Yeah. OpenBSD is nice :) |
22:26.03 | dankolb | Well, FreeBSD and NetBSD also get new features |
22:26.16 | air1 | no more than that, i meant if you talk of pf yeah it was first relesed with 3.0 |
22:27.04 | dankolb | Yeah |
22:27.28 | air1 | yeah, that's one thing i'm glad to see, a feature is ported from os to os and linux also gets some of the benefits |
22:27.40 | dankolb | Does it? |
22:27.48 | dankolb | What benefits does Linux get from pf? |
22:28.16 | air1 | well not from pf, but for example openssh is now being ported and shipped with linux |
22:28.26 | dankolb | Like it has been for, er, years? :) |
22:28.46 | air1 | well yeah but it's a part of the obsd team effort |
22:28.55 | dankolb | True |
22:29.00 | dankolb | And then people still complain about it |
22:29.05 | Clyphox | hi |
22:29.10 | dankolb | hi Clyphox |
22:29.15 | Clyphox | Anyone here played with lart before? |
22:29.18 | air1 | hi Clyphox |
22:29.21 | Clyphox | Heya dankolb |
22:29.22 | dankolb | What sort of a LART? |
22:29.26 | Clyphox | Heya air1 |
22:29.32 | Clyphox | http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/ |
22:29.48 | dankolb | One of those small computer things? |
22:30.00 | Clyphox | I saw one at the last expo but didn't actually realise it was a real computer.. |
22:30.02 | Clyphox | yup |
22:30.21 | dankolb | Ah. I vaguely remember |
22:30.44 | Clyphox | I am wondering if I can adapt a pcmcia port onto it.. thats all.. |
22:30.55 | dankolb | Probably |
22:31.05 | dankolb | You have a soldering iron? |
22:31.13 | Clyphox | hehe |
22:31.16 | Clyphox | Nope.. |
22:31.19 | Clyphox | not yet.. |
22:31.22 | dankolb | And why not? |
22:31.23 | Clyphox | no money either.. |
22:31.30 | dankolb | Any self-respecting geek should have a soldering iron |
22:31.49 | Clyphox | I have only got into electric gubbins recently.. |
22:32.08 | dankolb | Hint: Mains power going through body is Not Good |
22:32.14 | Clyphox | I chipped my PSone two weeks ago and now I want to solder everything in my room hehe |
22:32.33 | dankolb | Don't solder your carpet |
22:32.54 | Clyphox | I killed the power to our street when i rewired a AT PSU and forgot the correct combinations for the switch hehe.. it was spectacular.. |
22:33.00 | dankolb | Hehe! |
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22:33.52 | dankolb | hi |
22:34.05 | Clyphox | Did anyone else see David Gilmore last night on 4 ? |
22:34.16 | dankolb | nope |
22:34.22 | Clyphox | I was lucky to be awake and managed to record it :) |
22:34.45 | Clyphox | Chrir Tarrant? |
22:34.49 | Clyphox | er Chris.. |
22:35.45 | dankolb | Yeah |
22:38.41 | Clyphox | I'm still busy sorting out my .pk3 files.. |
22:40.22 | dankolb | HEh |
22:56.13 | Clyphox | I just discoverd I can play Comfortably Numb.. Its cool :-) |
22:56.27 | Clyphox | I never thought I would be able to play cool songs.. he he.. |
22:56.46 | dankolb | :) |
23:01.37 | Clyphox|quake | trying new layout.. hope it doen't crap out on me.. hehe.. |
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23:04.23 | Clyphox|quake | Yay.. |
23:04.40 | Clyphox|quake | loading paks over the network is too slow though :( |
23:05.00 | dankolb | yeh |
23:05.45 | Clyphox|quake | ramdisk time };-) |
23:06.00 | dankolb | :) |
23:06.19 | Clyphox|quake | Now all I need is another half a gig o ram :( |
23:06.25 | dankolb | heh |
23:06.30 | dankolb | And money to buy it? |
23:06.44 | Clyphox|quake | Nah.. I get it trade price.. SDRAM too.. |
23:06.52 | dankolb | heh |
23:07.22 | Clyphox|quake | I do have to pay vat though.. gah.. |
23:07.40 | dankolb | Get yourself VAT registered then |
23:07.55 | Clyphox|quake | hehe.. |
23:08.48 | Clyphox|quake | God bless bzip -9 |
23:09.49 | Clyphox|quake | I lost money by swapping a P4 2.4 (5400) for this Dual PIII 2x1000Mhz but SMP makes life much nicer.. |
23:09.51 | dankolb | :) |
23:10.15 | Clyphox|quake | I hear there is a type of built-in SMP on the new P4's though.. |
23:10.28 | Clyphox | I wouldn't trust it hehe |
23:10.32 | dankolb | Yup. Hyperthreading |
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23:17.40 | dankolb | 'lo |
23:17.43 | Jenson | hey dan |
23:22.08 | Jenson | Where are you all, are you all asleep or something? |
23:22.29 | dankolb | Yes |
23:22.35 | dankolb | Or in the process of going to bed |
23:22.59 | Jenson | Well I suppose it is late really |
23:23.01 | Jenson | Hey cupis |
23:23.06 | Jenson | Not that I'm very awake either |
23:23.36 | cupis | Jenson: save me :) |
23:23.41 | dankolb | Oi |
23:23.48 | dankolb | One less Debian user won't make much difference |
23:23.55 | Clyphox | I'm awake.. |
23:23.57 | Clyphox | kinda.. |
23:23.58 | cupis | PILLOW FIGHT! |
23:24.05 | cupis | dankolb: hey |
23:24.15 | dankolb | :) |
23:24.22 | Jenson | hey Clyphox |
23:24.26 | Clyphox | Heya |
23:24.32 | Clyphox | Ohh! |
23:24.58 | Clyphox | Sorry.. (have to say) thought I had cellerons but turns out they are Coppermine's :-) |
23:25.15 | Clyphox | </end rant> |
23:25.34 | dankolb | Heh |
23:25.55 | Clyphox | Do you guys have CV's I might look at btw? |
23:26.07 | Jenson | Clyphox: You aint seeing mine, its' crap |
23:26.10 | Jenson | Look at Dans |
23:26.13 | cupis | Clyphox: are you looking to hire us? |
23:26.28 | dankolb | http://eco.li/cv.pdf |
23:26.31 | Clyphox | No I'm looking for a job and need ideas about what to put in mine.. |
23:26.57 | dankolb | OR even: http://eco.li/CVs/cv.pdf |
23:27.13 | cupis | CV |
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23:27.30 | cupis | dankolb: thought I'd finish that sentence for you :) |
23:27.31 | Jenson | hey eye69 |
23:27.33 | Clyphox | dankolb: Nice domain :) |
23:27.39 | Jenson | lol cupis |
23:27.39 | Clyphox | dankolb: Nice surname too :) |
23:27.44 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
23:28.00 | eye69 | Hey |
23:28.23 | Jenson | Clyphox: He's got a nice body aswell..... |
23:28.26 | Clyphox | Jenson: If you show us yours we'll show you ours.. |
23:28.33 | Clyphox | lol |
23:28.49 | dankolb | Clyphox: CV or body? |
23:29.13 | Clyphox | hehe.. don't be silly.. |
23:29.25 | dankolb | :) |
23:29.33 | Clyphox | (I'm waiting for her to decide incase I get lucky Muhahah) |
23:29.39 | Clyphox | (j/k) |
23:29.46 | Jenson | Well Clyphox, you can see pics of me (with my clothes on lol) on my site, but you aint seeing my CV |
23:29.54 | Clyphox | Awweee.. |
23:29.56 | dankolb | Can I see your CV? |
23:29.57 | Clyphox | PLEEAaaassseee.. |
23:30.00 | Jenson | No dan |
23:30.12 | Clyphox | dankolb: Sounds personal.. |
23:30.16 | Jenson | http://www.facethejury.com/profile.asp?user_name=jenson |
23:30.26 | Jenson | http://www.faceparty.com/jensonuk |
23:30.34 | Jenson | http://ww.face-pic.com/jenson |
23:30.46 | Jenson | http://www.faithsplace.tk |
23:35.11 | Clyphox | Nice collection.. I am trying to collect myself.. |
23:35.19 | Jenson | lol Clyphox but I'm dating that guy! |
23:35.27 | Clyphox | Only have an old Amstrad and a few Apples.. |
23:35.31 | dankolb | Heh. |
23:35.41 | Jenson | I have 3 PCs and that's it really |
23:35.46 | Jenson | and an N64 lmao |
23:35.52 | Clyphox | Jenson: I bowed "towards" him ok.. ;) |
23:35.56 | dankolb | Ah. You're looking at eco.li/photos/Computers, yeah? |
23:36.18 | Clyphox | ah!? you "lied"!?! |
23:36.24 | Jenson | http://www.btinternet.com/~lita16/computer.jpg is my PC I think. |
23:36.50 | Clyphox | eeek! a Menu! |
23:36.52 | Clyphox | j/k |
23:36.59 | Clyphox | Nice lighting though.. |
23:37.16 | Clyphox | Wish I even had a desk.. no space.. over 8 PC's in thei tiny room 'o mine.. |
23:37.16 | Jenson | Not that that is the one I use.......I won;'t use it until I get dual boot Win and Slack, so I dont have to figure out how to work in Linux |
23:37.29 | Clyphox | Slack!! Woot! |
23:37.35 | Clyphox | sorry.. i get a little excited.. |
23:37.47 | Clyphox | I grew up on horlicks and Slackware. |
23:38.07 | Clyphox | And black sabbath but separate.. |
23:38.16 | Clyphox | er "but that is ..." |
23:38.21 | dankolb | :) |
23:38.22 | Clyphox | arg.. ranting again.. |
23:38.56 | Clyphox | Well i really grew up on Dos but i mean I really "grew" on a slackware cut down called "dragon linux" |
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23:39.09 | dankolb | Heh |
23:39.35 | Clyphox | Wish I could get into Uni and College and stuff like that.. You are all very lucky (btw) |
23:39.37 | Jenson | Well I have 4 years Win 3.1 experience and another 8 of Win 9x and about 1 year of Win 3.0 |
23:39.45 | Jenson | and about 2 months of Linux |
23:40.21 | BorgBaby | what is win 3.0 ??? |
23:40.31 | cupis | BorgBaby: ver, very poor |
23:40.32 | Jenson | Don't you remember it BorgBaby? |
23:40.36 | Clyphox | I think I got my first PC in 95. it was a 286 methinks |
23:40.44 | dankolb | Clyphox: Why can't you? |
23:40.44 | Jenson | Was nice compared to Wichester on the RM186 |
23:40.47 | BorgBaby | no, DOS ? |
23:40.57 | Jenson | Winchester even |
23:41.21 | Clyphox | dankolb: I'm not brittish and because I work (and want to) I can't get beneifits/free education etc.. |
23:41.37 | Clyphox | dankolb: I will eventually but I will have to pay myself.. |
23:41.39 | dankolb | Ah right |
23:41.45 | dankolb | What nationality are you, then? |
23:41.52 | Clyphox | South African. |
23:41.55 | dankolb | Ahh |
23:42.02 | dankolb | Okay |
23:42.07 | Clyphox | I also lived in the U.A.E too and various other places.. |
23:42.12 | dankolb | Cool :) |
23:42.23 | Clyphox | been to something like 12 schools and 8 towns.. |
23:42.28 | Jenson | I dunno how to spell her name, but I can say it. |
23:42.31 | dankolb | :) |
23:42.40 | Clyphox | try.. maybe I'll know.. hehe |
23:42.56 | Clyphox | South Africans are all weird.. (rule o thumb) |
23:43.00 | Jenson | Ulauli or something |
23:43.13 | dankolb | Yeah. Slackware users :-P |
23:43.24 | Clyphox | that was low. |
23:43.29 | Clyphox | low low low.. |
23:43.31 | dankolb | :) |
23:43.34 | dankolb | Lower... |
23:43.36 | Jenson | Dan is a Slack user..... |
23:43.41 | dankolb | So are you |
23:43.46 | Jenson | I know |
23:43.47 | dankolb | But I'm very low |
23:43.54 | Clyphox | hehe |
23:44.38 | dankolb | :) |
23:44.48 | Clyphox | hehe |
23:45.15 | BorgBaby | who went on saturday? |
23:45.18 | Jenson | I did |
23:45.24 | BorgBaby | good? |
23:45.36 | dankolb | Yeah :) |
23:45.38 | Clyphox | Ohh me too! me too! |
23:45.44 | Clyphox | I did I did! |
23:46.19 | BorgBaby | was a bit p***ed off I missed it |
23:46.43 | Clyphox | I can't wait till the next one :) |
23:47.04 | dankolb | Jenson: Depends - what did you do with your arms today? |
23:47.18 | BorgBaby | if anyone's any good at taking old army laptops apart, I may bring my one |
23:47.25 | Clyphox | I've never really had a chance to talk to other geeks before.. its awesome meeting real people |
23:47.33 | dankolb | Hehe :) |
23:48.26 | BorgBaby | I like it |
23:48.43 | Jenson | dankolb: Stop a fast moving roundabout many times......hang off a fast moving roundabout screaming, listen to my mate shout 'ride the fucking magic bus' over and over.....have some swing races. |
23:48.54 | Clyphox | I have not had fun like Saturday for years (honestly) :( |
23:49.07 | dankolb | Jenson: Yeah, well, that's your fault then |
23:49.18 | dankolb | If you insist on being silly with your arms, you should expect them to hurt |
23:49.27 | dankolb | Clyphox: Aww. |
23:50.27 | dankolb | (around Old Street tube station; I'll be at Globix) |
23:51.56 | dankolb | Anyone else? There's a pub about 1 min walk from Globix (about 3 mins. from the station) |
23:52.29 | dankolb | As long as you don't get one |
23:52.42 | dankolb | Ick. Piercings |
23:52.57 | Jenson | The only tattoos I want I won't get people might take them as offensive |
23:53.04 | dankolb | Heh |
23:53.15 | Jenson | I've told you havent I Dan? |
23:53.19 | dankolb | No |
23:53.26 | Jenson | Oh I thought I had |
23:53.31 | dankolb | You didn't. |
23:53.40 | Jenson | Nevermind, I aint gonna get them anyway |
23:54.25 | dankolb | No, it wasn't |
23:54.40 | dankolb | It was just I wouldn't mind being sociable for an hour |
23:57.33 | Clyphox | I might want a tattoo of Bob or maybe the BSD daemon.. |
23:57.49 | dankolb | The OpenBSD daemon |
23:58.02 | dankolb | Why not a Microsoft flag? |
23:58.02 | Jenson | An anarchy symbol might be nice.....but not when I'm older |
23:58.10 | Clyphox | just the general daemon.. |
23:58.13 | Jenson | lol dankolb..with a knife in it |
23:58.13 | dankolb | Ah |
23:58.23 | dankolb | Jenson: You and knives. Hrm |
23:58.43 | Jenson | dankolb: I don't do stuff with knives |
23:58.53 | dankolb | Not even eat? |
23:58.59 | Clyphox | not even butter? |
23:59.04 | Jenson | Not this week lol |
23:59.14 | Jenson | I've had 2 McDonalds and a Wimpy lol |
23:59.20 | dankolb | And no other food? |
23:59.26 | Jenson | Well yeah |
23:59.34 | Jenson | Just pointing out why I should diet |
23:59.40 | dankolb | No you shouldn't |
23:59.42 | dankolb | Dammit. |
23:59.49 | Clyphox | [nod] |
23:59.55 | dankolb | Any thinner, and you'd be too thin |
23:59.59 | Jenson | You havent met me Clyphox |