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00:03.08Clyphoxgtg.. cya later..
00:03.18Huhnbye, Clyphox
00:17.26its-formihttp://www.ctheory.net/text_file.asp?pick=327
00:17.36its-formiinteresting reading
00:22.23highburya bit heavy though...
00:26.52its-formiI usually read this kind of literature
00:27.06its-formito improve my phonetics
00:29.38its-formishit, pine crashed on me, 1st though
00:34.19Huhnpine?
00:34.31Huhnlike in pine the mail client?
00:35.02its-formiyes
00:35.25its-formiand tried it again and it crashed again
00:36.00its-formihappily there was only one mail in that folder.
00:36.43Huhnmh, why do you try this rather old program?
00:38.01its-formiwhat do you mean with old?
00:38.48Huhnmh, I used it several years ago..
00:39.01Huhnsome day I switched to mutt, I think it's much better
00:39.32its-formihttp://www.osha-slc.gov/OshDoc/toc_FatalFacts.html
00:39.38its-formianother laugh
00:39.47its-formiIm happy with pine
00:39.55Huhnso was I
00:41.07Huhnuntil I tried mutt ;)
00:42.29Huhndo you have different mail accounts? mail addresses? which you want to forward to one account?
00:43.54eye69Sure, I was quite happy with mutt, but I wanted something which installed without hassle
00:44.00eye69Haven't regretted it yet
00:44.11eye69s/mutt/pine/
00:44.17Huhneye69: ah ;)
00:44.32HuhnI like the folder hook feature
00:44.40eye69I don't use that.
00:44.55eye69Don't think I use many features of it.
00:45.01Huhnit's brilliant, different mail accounts with different signatures
00:45.05Huhnthat's really cool
00:45.22Huhneye69: do you use spamassassin?
00:45.27eye69Huhn: Yup
00:45.33eye69Very pleased with it
00:45.44Huhnyes, me too
00:45.53Huhngpg?
00:46.05eye69Yeah
00:46.09Huhn:)
00:46.15eye69Don't use it often though
00:46.46HuhnI got my key signed during the last lbw, would like to have another key signing party soon
00:47.17eye69Recoded our billing code recently...one logfile per transaction, GPG encrypted
00:47.30Huhnnice
01:01.28HuhnZzZ-> bed, nn
01:02.46its-formigood HuhnZzZ
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06:31.21zacharyGood morning
08:59.28murbleis it?
09:04.05TarragonWell nothing too bad yet, so yes.
09:04.47skugggood morning
09:07.19zacharyWell I started out brewing a cup of tea instead of coffee. That shows you how awake I was.
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09:09.17dank_workGrrrrrrr
09:09.21dank_workSomehow this swerver got rebooted
09:09.37skuggme going to uni to have exam now. wish me luck!
09:09.42skuggmy hell ends today! :)
09:09.48zacharyGood luck skugg
09:10.06dank_workGood luck!
09:10.23zacharydank_work: Good morning. Sounds like you are in good spirits today. :-)
09:11.12skuggyesh ;)
09:11.13TarragonGood Luck
09:11.49skuggtimetable for today: exam 10-12, bar 12-13, work 13-16 :D
09:12.33dank_workAnd my phone just seemed to reboot itself
10:19.26dank_workBlog
10:19.34dank_workapt for RPM is nice
10:25.14davilionmorning all
10:26.49davilionskugg: good luck
10:27.41dank_workHi dav
10:28.15dank_workMicrosoft Office 2000 Premium: What Productivity Means Today
10:37.17davilionheh, thats a bit cynical isnt it?
10:40.07dank_workNo, it's what it says on the CD cover
10:41.45davilionheh
10:41.54davilionhow shite.
10:44.19dank_workyeah
10:44.26dank_workBut I'm installing it anyway
10:44.46dank_workIt deals better with the bork3d RTF that DocBook produces (i.e. it ignored some of the formatting)
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10:50.46dank_workhi rp1
10:50.57rp1hi
10:51.15rp1does an1 know how to use sendmail properly?
10:52.55dank_workRemove it and install a different mail server?
10:54.00rp1i suppose u right.
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11:01.22Tarragon:-)
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11:40.08LordBlaayo everyone
11:40.11TarragonHi LordBlaa
11:40.19LordBlaahey Tarragon
11:40.27LordBlaahow's everyone?
11:41.08TarragonQuiet - everyone seems to be working or exams. What are you up to?
11:41.45LordBlaagah
11:41.51LordBlaahad an exam earlier, just got home from it
11:42.19LordBlaagot an exam tomorrow too..
11:42.40TarragonSo this is going to be a very short visit then...
11:42.46LordBlaalol
11:42.57LordBlaai wasn't planning on it being short
11:43.04LordBlaayou can see how devoted i am to my studies ;)
11:44.28LordBlaawhatcha upto yourself?
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11:45.47LordBlaagah
11:46.01LordBlaawb
11:46.06TarragonWorking, but listening to music in the background
11:46.25LordBlaacool cool
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11:48.13TarragonNo. Never. but keps me off the streets and not a burden on the local community help.
11:48.15TarragonWhat is the next exam?
11:48.15LordBlaahehe, fair play
11:48.24LordBlaapsychology :/
11:48.59TarragonSounds impressive
11:49.19LordBlaaheh
11:49.36LordBlaait's not, it's just boring
11:49.51LordBlaawatcha listening to then?
11:50.21TarragonMadrugada ?
11:50.40LordBlaaooh never heard of it/him/her/them
11:51.09TarragonNorwegian rock band
11:51.32LordBlaaoh lovely
11:52.03LordBlaalistening to some finntroll myself, finnish polka-metal
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11:52.19LordBlaayo formi
11:53.01formihelllo
11:54.22formiibot convert 5.5" to cm
11:54.35formiibot convert 5.5in to cm
11:55.16LordBlaahow useful
11:55.24LordBlaabrb
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11:57.34zacharyibot convert formi to german
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11:58.07Tarragonwb
11:58.21LordBlaata
11:58.51formizachary: nice try but not
11:59.33zacharyThought I would give it a try.
12:00.15TarragonClosest German words are Forma and Form- (as in ProForma invoice and forming tool)
12:00.28formigo to formi.com
12:01.43formior formi.net for a good laugh
12:01.46TarragonSo its French
12:02.21TarragonNorwegian pig food?
12:02.29formiyeap
12:03.08zacharylol
12:03.26formii hope bash doesn't come after me because of formi.org.uk
12:03.38formis/bash/basf
12:04.29TarragonWhy? Because of the graphic?
12:05.49formino, the trademark on formi
12:06.15formiI have been know as Formi since 1989
12:06.36LordBlaawow
12:07.21formiand my village is called A Formiga, so I have a clain on the name
12:08.22LordBlaafair play man
12:08.40TarragonWhat is the command to tell me about hard disk geometry such as sectors and cylinders?
12:08.48formiLordBlaa: are you somebody I know?
12:09.00LordBlaanto really formi
12:09.06formiok
12:09.16LordBlaathink i've seen you in here a coupla times
12:09.40formiso you've been here 3 times
12:10.52LordBlaanah i've been here loads of times
12:16.31formihttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2301618853&category=179
12:16.42formiunbelievable price
12:17.31formitoo good to be true,
12:18.36LordBlaathat's damn sweet
12:19.28TarragonDid you bid?
12:20.11SpudUAwayI'm sure that when it is re-listed a comma will be added!
12:20.11forminope
12:20.51formihttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2303002995&category=179
12:21.25SpudUAwayMaybe not!
12:22.00LordBlaalol
12:23.03formihttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2301785108&category=1486
12:23.10formiim sad i lost that one
12:23.51SpudUAwayFred was keen.
12:25.08formiI was keen, but my sponsor was a bit slow
12:29.25Huhnmoin
12:29.25Tarragonwb Huhn
12:29.35dank_workHullo
12:30.21Huhnhotelroom booked, Fosdem, I'm coming ;)
12:30.32dank_workArg. I need to book, too
12:30.49Tarragonwww.atlas.be for hotel
12:30.59Huhnthis is your personal Huhn reminder: please book a room for Fosdem, dank_work
12:31.09dank_workThank you, Huhn
12:31.48Huhndank_work: that's what I did
12:31.56dank_workOkay :)
12:32.03HuhnI asked a friend of mine if he would share a twin room
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12:53.40zacharyTarragon: Did someone answer your question about he hdparm command?
12:59.34TarragonNo but fortunately remembered. I just needed the CHS order for a drive.
12:59.41TarragonBut TY anyway
13:00.44zacharynp
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13:38.08pdrhi
13:40.32pdrok i guess noone's around then...
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13:55.19formiibot convert £75 to euros
13:55.36formiibot convert 75 pounds  to euros
13:55.49formiibot convert 75 pounds to eur
13:55.54formiibot convert 75 pounds to eu
13:56.11zacharytry gbp
13:56.22formiibot convert 75 gbp to eu
13:57.16zacharyibot convert 7gbp to eur
13:57.58formiibot convert GBP75 to eu
13:58.37formiibot convert GB75 to eu
14:00.12formiibot go to hell
14:00.13hmm... go to hell is a song
14:02.32zacharyformi: Looks like ibot got the last laugh. :)
14:02.59formithey don't have a brain so, so they can laugh
14:06.37StuartCplural is "euro" iirc (tho most of britain is misusing it so it'll become accepted)
14:06.39highburyibot convert £10 to euros
14:07.25formianother bites the dust
14:08.37zacharyhighbury: Would you like me to dcc you the pictures?
14:21.08highburyeasier to email surely
14:40.53zacharybbl
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14:56.12ClyphoxHello! anyone here?
14:56.17Tarragonno
14:56.34ClyphoxThis is very important! resudaed is missing!
14:56.50ClyphoxHis mom has reported it to the police now too.. does anyone know anything..?
14:56.55Clyphox(Not a joke)
14:56.55TarragonHow do you mean?
14:57.19ClyphoxNo one knows where he is. I last saw him at 01:30 Tuesday morning..
14:57.28TarragonDoes Elizabeth know anything?
14:57.59ClyphoxNope. just that he was talking about going to see someone in Colechester or something.. maybe someone he/we met on Saturday..
14:58.32ClyphoxI hope its all just my mom getting dramatic but he hasn't done this before..
14:58.48SpudULike<PROTECTED>
14:58.57SpudULikeibot logs
14:58.58http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
14:59.23SpudULikeOoh stats.
14:59.33ClyphoxHe's always on anyway..
14:59.45Tarragonibot seen resudaed_yawa
14:59.45resudaed_yawa is currently on #gllug (1d 12h 43m 41s)
15:00.42ClyphoxHas anyone got logs of it? Because he was invited by this mysterious being but no-one actually knows who..
15:02.49Clyphoxweird..
15:03.05TarragonOK when was the invite?
15:03.49ClyphoxI don't know.. Beth sais that he mentioned it sometime.. I don't know anything.. been asked to chase it up by my mom..
15:04.09ClyphoxHe didn't say anything about it when I saw him.
15:04.16murbleibot please erase logs
15:04.17murble: bugger all, i dunno
15:04.21ClyphoxJust talked about how much sleep he needed and blackbox hehe
15:05.34ClyphoxI'll swing round his house when I'm off work, root his box and see if he's logged into it and maybe try to track the IP or something..
15:06.08ClyphoxDoes woody still use passwd or is it PAM or something btw?
15:07.09Clyphoxnm.. bbiam.. mail..
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15:19.53ClyphoxI think its 72 Nags Head Rd
15:19.59ClyphoxEnfield Highway
15:20.00ClyphoxMiddx
15:20.06ClyphoxEn3 ???
15:20.14ClyphoxCan get it if you want
15:20.14Tarragonyes
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16:29.29ClyphoxHi all
16:29.48Clyphoxresudaed has been found in a gutter in Colchester..
16:30.20Clyphoxresudaed er.. sorry the gutter thing comes after he gets home and his mom beats him to death tonight I think hehe
16:30.57Clyphoxhe's ok. Silly twat. His mom has been so frantic and even made mine get all dramatic on me..
16:31.22Clyphoxanyways.. I'm still at work and must now hide from my boss.. cya all later..
16:57.35dank_workHm
16:57.37dank_workEek
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19:32.45zacharyevening formi
19:33.01formievenning zach
19:33.27formiwhat's up?
19:33.59zacharynothing much, just reading the news.
19:35.59formiim configuring a kernel
19:36.18zacharyFreeBSD or Linux
19:36.51formiFB for the old laptop, a bit of trimming needed, it has 8MB of ram
19:39.42zacharyw/ 8mb, sounds fun.
19:41.01formiit might be used as a router, pcmcia -> plip
19:42.24zacharyThat's what I'm using. Slightly more power though. 333Mhz, 160Mb ram, 10 GB hd
19:42.49zacharyI was thinkig of using one of the miniATX. Like the one john herns was showing.
19:44.33formiand you have a machine like that just as a router?
19:49.04zacharyWell I'm not going to use my 600Mhz PIII, 440MB ram, 120GB HD.
19:50.09formiim always surprised how much spare cycles are wasted
19:50.42formis/much/many
19:53.17zacharyWhat I want to do is use a miniATX board, 2.5" 4GB ata hd, 32 MB SDRAM, for a router.
19:53.35formicome on,
19:53.59zacharyAll I need is the mobo and power supply.
19:54.22formiyou can get something like a sparc with 2 nics for £60
19:57.51formithey are small, do the job and they are quiet, and you don't add to global pollution
20:01.45zacharyneed usb port and ethernet port
20:02.36formiusb?
20:03.13zacharyalcatel adsl modem
20:03.39formiall right,
20:06.22formiI've never liked all those new gizmos, especially usb, firewire is fine
20:10.45Huhn<- off to the ice hockey training, bye
20:25.44zacharyformi: Under the General Setup in the linux kernal config. Do you see any reason not to include BSD Process Accountig for a desktop?
20:26.43formiif you are doing dodgy stuff with the machine....
20:28.08zacharyHow about for a productiveity (KDE, mail, internet, gimp, etc...)?
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20:28.36formibasically it logs the username, and what you are running,
20:28.41ompheEvening everyone.
20:28.51formihi omphe
20:29.43formiyou don't really need it, but it also doesn't impact on performance,
20:29.46zacharysugar overload!
20:31.07formii think is the process that writes to wtmp, also found in linux
20:31.32zacharyJess made some brownies, using Rollos.
20:31.59zacharysorry, I am being corrected. Rollos melted in the middle.
20:32.10omphezachary: my pancreas hurts thinking about it.
20:32.47zacharyThey are good, almost too good.
20:33.40ompheYou could make a fortune at Burning Man with those.
20:33.54formiand blow another getting there
20:34.35ompheHad a friend who swapped chocolate bars for .5 z's
20:34.38zacharyIf I make the next batch, I'm going to include Rollos, brandy and espresso beans.
20:36.43zacharythanks formi for the help
20:37.36formiim afraid that is something i have been meaning to do for a long time
20:38.08zacharyformi: which is?
20:38.48formilearn the ins and outs of process logging
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21:12.01ClyphoxHi all
21:12.14formihello
21:12.20formidank
21:12.23omphe'lo
21:12.25dankolbhi
21:12.26dankolbClyphox: What were you saying about Resudaed before?
21:12.32dankolbooh lots of people
21:12.36zacharyevening dankolb
21:13.02Clyphoxdankolb: Turns out he's ok. Still can't get hold of him though..
21:13.10dankolbAh
21:13.24ClyphoxMust be some kinda weird 20-year-male-menopause
21:13.34dankolbHehe
21:14.56TarragonDull stuff: Reading the MS XP EULA. "1.3 Device Connections. You may permit a maximum of ten (10) computers or other electronic devices (each a "Device") to the Workstation Computer to utilize
21:15.00Tarragonone or more of the following services of the Software: File Services, Print Services, Internet Information Services, and remote access (including connection sharing and telephony services).
21:15.11dankolbhm
21:16.15ompheShould print that in a word bubble over tux's head on a t-shirt.
21:20.31zacharyLet me guess. Is that MS's way of telling you that if you are sharing resources to more than 10 clients, you need to buy their server edition.
21:20.35dankolbYup
21:22.14zacharyUse linux and with the money saved, buy a nice file/print server.
21:22.25dankolbYeah
21:29.32Tarragon2.3 ... You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Software and/or its components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades and fixes to the Software that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer.
21:29.48TarragonHey can they not say SpyWare
21:30.29ompheHow do you write an iptable to keep that sh*t out?
21:31.31zacharyLooks like MS's legal department also doubles as their marketing department.
21:31.32dankolbFirstly, use a decent firewall
21:32.02dankolbThen do a: block out on $ExtIF from any to microsoft.com
21:32.13TarragonSmoothwall, IPCop, ESmith, Bastille, Tiny, ShoreWall...
21:32.33dankolbOpenBSD...
21:32.38dankolbSolaris/ipf; FreeBSD/ipf
21:32.47ompheFigures, I make a joke and learn something.
21:33.26dankolb:-)
21:33.28dankolbWe have no sense of humour
21:33.29ompheWhile we're on topic, are these hardware fw/adsl/router boxes any good?
21:33.31dankolbWe are #gllug
21:33.37dankolbYes, as ADSL routers
21:33.55ompheBut not for firewalling?
21:34.36ompheI want to filter traffic coming from my wireless internally.
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21:40.48TarragonMmm Choc chip buns
21:44.44zacharyTarragon: Don't even mention chocolate. I'm experiencing overload!
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21:50.33dankolbomphe: I don't use mine as a firewall
21:50.41dankolbBut the NATting features work well enough
21:51.22ompheI think I need a smoothwall style firewall box.
21:51.33dankolbNo you don't :)
21:51.40dankolbYou need OpenBSD running pf
21:51.41ompheBut I love the idea of silent hardware.
21:51.44dankolbEveryone does
21:51.55dankolbYou can run it on a quiet PC
21:52.01dankolbAnd on lots more hardware besides
21:58.04ompheDesperately need dinner.  Later.
21:59.43formidank, have you ever messed about with fb VM kernel settings?
21:59.47dankolbNope
21:59.49dankolbSorry
22:00.49formiit is so bloody difficult to get answer from the fb geek morons
22:01.17dankolbIs it not in the documentation?
22:06.15forminot really
22:08.13dankolbAh
22:09.31formibrb
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22:09.50dankolbHi air1
22:10.09air1hey there
22:10.30dankolbYou look new here
22:10.58air1humm yeah, i'm rarely on irc
22:11.18air1just visiting really, i sometimes pop up at the glug meeting
22:11.47air1so the subject is the next install fest really
22:11.55dankolbIt is the subject, yes :)
22:12.05dankolbAnd why are you only rarely on IRC? ;-)
22:12.23air1well, job girlfriend, commuting....
22:12.52dankolbMobile phone, PDA, IRC client...
22:13.05dankolbAnd what sort of girlfriend doesn't let you IRC? ;-)
22:13.25air1give a guess
22:13.52dankolbAww.
22:14.44air1so yeah you at work right now or...
22:14.56air1i don't know, i don't work in IT
22:15.19dankolbAh right. What do you work in?
22:15.26dankolbNo - I'm at home.
22:16.01air1errr.... customer service really, wish i had a job in IT though
22:16.11air1what do you do excatly
22:16.15dankolbI don't know :)
22:16.21dankolbSysadmin-type work, basically
22:16.27dankolbBut never got a job description
22:16.29air1on unix?
22:16.44air1that leaves your options open
22:17.06dankolbUnix and Windows
22:17.22air1servers? workstations?
22:18.16air1do you run solely linux on your nix work or other unices...
22:18.41dankolbBoth
22:18.47dankolbI'm running OS X on this 'ere laptop
22:18.52dankolbI'm running FreeBSD on my work workstation
22:19.08air1humm they make nice laptops apple
22:19.17dankolbI have a Solaris and Win2k server of 'my own' at work
22:19.29air1haha, so you too are a defector to the linux fraternity
22:19.43dankolbto? No, away from
22:20.00air1currently running freebsd, and openbsd at home
22:20.10dankolbA basically stopped using it as my desktop when I left Uni
22:20.12air1myself i mean
22:20.12dankolbs/A/I/
22:20.15dankolbGood good :)
22:20.18dankolbWe like BSD users
22:20.20dankolb(well, I do)
22:20.52zacharyI'm off to bed. Good night
22:20.55air1good then, i'm actually currently only using bsds...
22:21.06dankolb:)
22:21.22dankolbWe have a crap Linux firewall, which needed to be replaced for > 2 years
22:21.29air1good to know there's none of these silly arguments you sometimes see on /. threads
22:21.35dankolbYeah
22:21.40dankolbI hate Linux firewalling, personally
22:22.01air1what type of firewall, ipchains, iptables
22:22.06dankolbSo I stuck Smoothwall on the future-replacement firewall, rejigged the partitions, and installed OpenBSD
22:22.25air1ho ho, i was just gonna ask you about obsd
22:22.30dankolb:)
22:23.05air1funny, i never got to use iptables, but was told it really isn't dumbed down to configure
22:23.11dankolbAnd pf even has loadbalancing support - if I could get it on our testbed and staging servers, that'd save a dedicated loadbalancer
22:23.24air1i think obsd is rally the best for edge devices
22:23.26dankolbiptables is horrible nasty evil POS
22:23.38air1you using obsd3.2??
22:23.38dankolbIt's very much a write-once firewall
22:23.40dankolbYup
22:24.00dankolbAlthough the loadbalancing could possibly have been added later
22:24.17air1there are quite a few things that are gonna come into place with obsd
22:24.31dankolbYeah
22:24.35dankolbLike the bandwidth limiting
22:24.39dankolb(added late November)
22:24.42air1frankly, i don't know much about programming, but i think these guys are really going at it fast
22:25.24dankolbThey are
22:25.30dankolbSeeing as they started, what, 18 months ago?
22:25.45air1i mean a release every 6months and god there are somany new features everytime added to the core os
22:25.56dankolbYeah. OpenBSD is nice :)
22:26.03dankolbWell, FreeBSD and NetBSD also get new features
22:26.16air1no more than that, i meant if you talk of pf yeah it was first relesed with 3.0
22:27.04dankolbYeah
22:27.28air1yeah, that's one thing i'm glad to see, a feature is ported from os to os and linux also gets some of the benefits
22:27.40dankolbDoes it?
22:27.48dankolbWhat benefits does Linux get from pf?
22:28.16air1well not from pf, but for example openssh is now being ported and shipped with linux
22:28.26dankolbLike it has been for, er, years? :)
22:28.46air1well yeah but it's a part of the obsd team effort
22:28.55dankolbTrue
22:29.00dankolbAnd then people still complain about it
22:29.05Clyphoxhi
22:29.10dankolbhi Clyphox
22:29.15ClyphoxAnyone here played with lart before?
22:29.18air1hi Clyphox
22:29.21ClyphoxHeya dankolb
22:29.22dankolbWhat sort of a LART?
22:29.26ClyphoxHeya air1
22:29.32Clyphoxhttp://www.lart.tudelft.nl/
22:29.48dankolbOne of those small computer things?
22:30.00ClyphoxI saw one at the last expo but didn't actually realise it was a real computer..
22:30.02Clyphoxyup
22:30.21dankolbAh. I vaguely remember
22:30.44ClyphoxI am wondering if I can adapt a pcmcia port onto it.. thats all..
22:30.55dankolbProbably
22:31.05dankolbYou have a soldering iron?
22:31.13Clyphoxhehe
22:31.16ClyphoxNope..
22:31.19Clyphoxnot yet..
22:31.22dankolbAnd why not?
22:31.23Clyphoxno money either..
22:31.30dankolbAny self-respecting geek should have a soldering iron
22:31.49ClyphoxI have only got into electric gubbins recently..
22:32.08dankolbHint: Mains power going through body is Not Good
22:32.14ClyphoxI chipped my PSone two weeks ago and now I want to solder everything in my room hehe
22:32.33dankolbDon't solder your carpet
22:32.54ClyphoxI killed the power to our street when i rewired a AT PSU and forgot the correct combinations for the switch hehe.. it was spectacular..
22:33.00dankolbHehe!
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22:33.52dankolbhi
22:34.05ClyphoxDid anyone else see David Gilmore last night on 4 ?
22:34.16dankolbnope
22:34.22ClyphoxI was lucky to be awake and managed to record it :)
22:34.45ClyphoxChrir Tarrant?
22:34.49Clyphoxer Chris..
22:35.45dankolbYeah
22:38.41ClyphoxI'm still busy sorting out my .pk3 files..
22:40.22dankolbHEh
22:56.13ClyphoxI just discoverd I can play Comfortably Numb.. Its cool :-)
22:56.27ClyphoxI never thought I would be able to play cool songs.. he he..
22:56.46dankolb:)
23:01.37Clyphox|quaketrying new layout.. hope it doen't crap out on me.. hehe..
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23:04.23Clyphox|quakeYay..
23:04.40Clyphox|quakeloading paks over the network is too slow though :(
23:05.00dankolbyeh
23:05.45Clyphox|quakeramdisk time };-)
23:06.00dankolb:)
23:06.19Clyphox|quakeNow all I need is another half a gig o ram :(
23:06.25dankolbheh
23:06.30dankolbAnd money to buy it?
23:06.44Clyphox|quakeNah.. I get it trade price.. SDRAM too..
23:06.52dankolbheh
23:07.22Clyphox|quakeI do have to pay vat though.. gah..
23:07.40dankolbGet yourself VAT registered then
23:07.55Clyphox|quakehehe..
23:08.48Clyphox|quakeGod bless bzip -9
23:09.49Clyphox|quakeI lost money by swapping a P4 2.4 (5400) for this Dual PIII 2x1000Mhz but SMP makes life much nicer..
23:09.51dankolb:)
23:10.15Clyphox|quakeI hear there is a type of built-in SMP on the new P4's though..
23:10.28ClyphoxI wouldn't trust it hehe
23:10.32dankolbYup. Hyperthreading
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23:17.40dankolb'lo
23:17.43Jensonhey dan
23:22.08JensonWhere are you all, are you all asleep or something?
23:22.29dankolbYes
23:22.35dankolbOr in the process of going to bed
23:22.59JensonWell I suppose it is late really
23:23.01JensonHey cupis
23:23.06JensonNot that I'm very awake either
23:23.36cupisJenson: save me :)
23:23.41dankolbOi
23:23.48dankolbOne less Debian user won't make much difference
23:23.55ClyphoxI'm awake..
23:23.57Clyphoxkinda..
23:23.58cupisPILLOW FIGHT!
23:24.05cupisdankolb: hey
23:24.15dankolb:)
23:24.22Jensonhey Clyphox
23:24.26ClyphoxHeya
23:24.32ClyphoxOhh!
23:24.58ClyphoxSorry.. (have to say) thought I had cellerons but turns out they are Coppermine's :-)
23:25.15Clyphox</end rant>
23:25.34dankolbHeh
23:25.55ClyphoxDo you guys have CV's I might look at btw?
23:26.07JensonClyphox: You aint seeing mine, its' crap
23:26.10JensonLook at Dans
23:26.13cupisClyphox: are you looking to hire us?
23:26.28dankolbhttp://eco.li/cv.pdf
23:26.31ClyphoxNo I'm looking for a job and need ideas about what to put in mine..
23:26.57dankolbOR even: http://eco.li/CVs/cv.pdf
23:27.13cupisCV
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23:27.30cupisdankolb: thought I'd finish that sentence for you :)
23:27.31Jensonhey eye69
23:27.33Clyphoxdankolb: Nice domain :)
23:27.39Jensonlol cupis
23:27.39Clyphoxdankolb: Nice surname too :)
23:27.44dankolbThanks :)
23:28.00eye69Hey
23:28.23JensonClyphox: He's got a nice body aswell.....
23:28.26ClyphoxJenson: If you show us yours we'll show you ours..
23:28.33Clyphoxlol
23:28.49dankolbClyphox: CV or body?
23:29.13Clyphoxhehe.. don't be silly..
23:29.25dankolb:)
23:29.33Clyphox(I'm waiting for her to decide incase I get lucky Muhahah)
23:29.39Clyphox(j/k)
23:29.46JensonWell Clyphox, you can see pics of me (with my clothes on lol) on my site, but you aint seeing my CV
23:29.54ClyphoxAwweee..
23:29.56dankolbCan I see your CV?
23:29.57ClyphoxPLEEAaaassseee..
23:30.00JensonNo dan
23:30.12Clyphoxdankolb: Sounds personal..
23:30.16Jensonhttp://www.facethejury.com/profile.asp?user_name=jenson
23:30.26Jensonhttp://www.faceparty.com/jensonuk
23:30.34Jensonhttp://ww.face-pic.com/jenson
23:30.46Jensonhttp://www.faithsplace.tk
23:35.11ClyphoxNice collection.. I am trying to collect myself..
23:35.19Jensonlol Clyphox but I'm dating that guy!
23:35.27ClyphoxOnly have an old Amstrad and a few Apples..
23:35.31dankolbHeh.
23:35.41JensonI have 3 PCs and that's it really
23:35.46Jensonand an N64 lmao
23:35.52ClyphoxJenson: I bowed "towards" him ok.. ;)
23:35.56dankolbAh. You're looking at eco.li/photos/Computers, yeah?
23:36.18Clyphoxah!? you "lied"!?!
23:36.24Jensonhttp://www.btinternet.com/~lita16/computer.jpg is my PC I think.
23:36.50Clyphoxeeek! a Menu!
23:36.52Clyphoxj/k
23:36.59ClyphoxNice lighting though..
23:37.16ClyphoxWish I even had a desk.. no space.. over 8 PC's in thei tiny room 'o mine..
23:37.16JensonNot that that is the one I use.......I won;'t use it until I get dual boot Win and Slack, so I dont have to figure out how to work in Linux
23:37.29ClyphoxSlack!! Woot!
23:37.35Clyphoxsorry.. i get a little excited..
23:37.47ClyphoxI grew up on horlicks and Slackware.
23:38.07ClyphoxAnd black sabbath but separate..
23:38.16Clyphoxer "but that is ..."
23:38.21dankolb:)
23:38.22Clyphoxarg.. ranting again..
23:38.56ClyphoxWell i really grew up on Dos but i mean I really "grew" on a slackware cut down called "dragon linux"
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23:39.09dankolbHeh
23:39.35ClyphoxWish I could get into Uni and College and stuff like that.. You are all very lucky (btw)
23:39.37JensonWell I have 4 years Win 3.1 experience and another 8 of Win 9x and about 1 year of Win 3.0
23:39.45Jensonand about 2 months of Linux
23:40.21BorgBabywhat is win 3.0 ???
23:40.31cupisBorgBaby: ver, very poor
23:40.32JensonDon't you remember it BorgBaby?
23:40.36ClyphoxI think I got my first PC in 95. it was a 286 methinks
23:40.44dankolbClyphox: Why can't you?
23:40.44JensonWas nice compared to Wichester on the RM186
23:40.47BorgBabyno, DOS ?
23:40.57JensonWinchester even
23:41.21Clyphoxdankolb: I'm not brittish and because I work (and want to) I can't get beneifits/free education etc..
23:41.37Clyphoxdankolb: I will eventually but I will have to pay myself..
23:41.39dankolbAh right
23:41.45dankolbWhat nationality are you, then?
23:41.52ClyphoxSouth African.
23:41.55dankolbAhh
23:42.02dankolbOkay
23:42.07ClyphoxI also lived in the U.A.E too and various other places..
23:42.12dankolbCool :)
23:42.23Clyphoxbeen to something like 12 schools and 8 towns..
23:42.28JensonI dunno how to spell her name, but I can say it.
23:42.31dankolb:)
23:42.40Clyphoxtry.. maybe I'll know.. hehe
23:42.56ClyphoxSouth Africans are all weird.. (rule o thumb)
23:43.00JensonUlauli or something
23:43.13dankolbYeah. Slackware users :-P
23:43.24Clyphoxthat was low.
23:43.29Clyphoxlow low low..
23:43.31dankolb:)
23:43.34dankolbLower...
23:43.36JensonDan is a Slack user.....
23:43.41dankolbSo are you
23:43.46JensonI know
23:43.47dankolbBut I'm very low
23:43.54Clyphoxhehe
23:44.38dankolb:)
23:44.48Clyphoxhehe
23:45.15BorgBabywho went on saturday?
23:45.18JensonI did
23:45.24BorgBabygood?
23:45.36dankolbYeah :)
23:45.38ClyphoxOhh me too! me too!
23:45.44ClyphoxI did I did!
23:46.19BorgBabywas a bit p***ed off I missed it
23:46.43ClyphoxI can't wait till the next one :)
23:47.04dankolbJenson: Depends - what did you do with your arms today?
23:47.18BorgBabyif anyone's any good at taking old army laptops apart, I may bring my one
23:47.25ClyphoxI've never really had a chance to talk to other geeks before.. its awesome meeting real people
23:47.33dankolbHehe :)
23:48.26BorgBabyI like it
23:48.43Jensondankolb: Stop a fast moving roundabout many times......hang off a fast moving roundabout screaming, listen to my mate shout 'ride the fucking magic bus' over and over.....have some swing races.
23:48.54ClyphoxI have not had fun like Saturday for years (honestly) :(
23:49.07dankolbJenson: Yeah, well, that's your fault then
23:49.18dankolbIf you insist on being silly with your arms, you should expect them to hurt
23:49.27dankolbClyphox: Aww.
23:50.27dankolb(around Old Street tube station; I'll be at Globix)
23:51.56dankolbAnyone else? There's a pub about 1 min walk from Globix (about 3 mins. from the station)
23:52.29dankolbAs long as you don't get one
23:52.42dankolbIck. Piercings
23:52.57JensonThe only tattoos I want I won't get people might take them as offensive
23:53.04dankolbHeh
23:53.15JensonI've told you havent I Dan?
23:53.19dankolbNo
23:53.26JensonOh I thought I had
23:53.31dankolbYou didn't.
23:53.40JensonNevermind, I aint gonna get them anyway
23:54.25dankolbNo, it wasn't
23:54.40dankolbIt was just I wouldn't mind being sociable for an hour
23:57.33ClyphoxI might want a tattoo of Bob or maybe the BSD daemon..
23:57.49dankolbThe OpenBSD daemon
23:58.02dankolbWhy not a Microsoft flag?
23:58.02JensonAn anarchy symbol might be nice.....but not when I'm older
23:58.10Clyphoxjust the general daemon..
23:58.13Jensonlol dankolb..with a knife in it
23:58.13dankolbAh
23:58.23dankolbJenson: You and knives. Hrm
23:58.43Jensondankolb: I don't do stuff with knives
23:58.53dankolbNot even eat?
23:58.59Clyphoxnot even butter?
23:59.04JensonNot this week lol
23:59.14JensonI've had 2 McDonalds and a Wimpy lol
23:59.20dankolbAnd no other food?
23:59.26JensonWell yeah
23:59.34JensonJust pointing out why I should diet
23:59.40dankolbNo you shouldn't
23:59.42dankolbDammit.
23:59.49Clyphox[nod]
23:59.55dankolbAny thinner, and you'd be too thin
23:59.59JensonYou havent met me Clyphox

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