| 00:00.38 | dankolb | I got an interview without having DOB on it. |
| 00:00.43 | dankolb | Anyway, what should DOB matter? |
| 00:00.58 | dankolb | (31/03/1981 if you really wanted to know) |
| 00:01.42 | Tarragon | What is the easiest way to remove an old grub from an MBR on a hd? |
| 00:01.53 | cupis | fdisk /mbr from a DOS bootdisk |
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| 00:02.35 | cupis | wb Jenson |
| 00:02.40 | Jenson | ty |
| 00:02.42 | zimm | wb Jenson |
| 00:02.44 | Jenson | ty |
| 00:02.50 | Jenson | I had to reconnect |
| 00:03.09 | Clyphox | we forgive you.. |
| 00:03.14 | Jenson | ty Clyphox |
| 00:03.23 | Clyphox | Its no problem :) |
| 00:04.08 | dankolb | wb |
| 00:06.30 | cupis | dankolb: 70/night single, 75/night double |
| 00:06.56 | Jenson | cupis: Good luck |
| 00:07.21 | dankolb | cupis: I emailed them, and that's what they told me |
| 00:07.25 | cupis | Jenson: ty, at this rate, I'll need it. |
| 00:07.36 | Jenson | ibot lart eurostar.com |
| 00:07.41 | cupis | dankolb: hmm, checkin friday, checkout sunday? |
| 00:07.49 | dankolb | That's what I'm doing |
| 00:08.02 | dankolb | cupis: Let me know what trains you're booking, and I'll try and do the same |
| 00:08.08 | cupis | From: |
| 00:08.08 | cupis | "Atlas Hotel" <info@atlas.be> |
| 00:08.08 | cupis | To: |
| 00:08.08 | cupis | "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> |
| 00:08.16 | cupis | > Name : Mr Cupis, Paul |
| 00:08.16 | cupis | > Date of arrival : Friday - 7/February/2003 |
| 00:08.16 | cupis | > Date of departure: Sunday - 9/February/2003 |
| 00:08.16 | cupis | > Number of persons: 1 adult |
| 00:08.16 | cupis | > Rooms details: 1 x Single Room (NON-SMOKING) |
| 00:08.18 | cupis | RATE: 70.00 EUR per night |
| 00:08.19 | Tarragon | Lectures finish at 5pm |
| 00:08.29 | dankolb | Hm |
| 00:08.33 | cupis | dankolb: if I can book it, sure. |
| 00:08.39 | dankolb | :) |
| 00:09.11 | cupis | dankolb: go to www.atlas.be and click on rates... |
| 00:09.22 | dankolb | Yeah.... |
| 00:09.29 | cupis | they don't have a 100EUR/night rate |
| 00:10.27 | cupis | eurostar.com: Depart: 19.58, Arrive 19.54, Journey time: 02h58 |
| 00:10.28 | dankolb | Aha. |
| 00:10.33 | cupis | I don't think so... |
| 00:10.35 | dankolb | They've re-emailed to give me FOSDEM rates |
| 00:11.02 | cupis | the eurostar site is screwy |
| 00:11.35 | Tarragon | Depart 19:58 Journey time 3 hrs Arrive 22:00 'cos one hour time diff |
| 00:11.36 | dankolb | That's 70EUR/night |
| 00:12.10 | cupis | Tarragon: yes, but my browser is right now telling me the times I just said. |
| 00:12.17 | Tarragon | Going depart 10:30 journry time 3 hrs Arrive 2:30 cos hour added on |
| 00:12.38 | cupis | Tarragon: yes, I realise that. |
| 00:13.03 | Tarragon | OK. |
| 00:13.48 | cupis | This is weird, nah I'll 'phone them I think. |
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| 00:15.07 | Tarragon | Mozilla is saying "arr 21:54 09/02/2003" on this box |
| 00:15.33 | dankolb | arr matey |
| 00:15.34 | cupis | Tarragon: depart time of 19.57? |
| 00:16.03 | cupis | dankolb: they are charging people an extra 30EUR/night if they say they are going to FOSDEM? |
| 00:16.08 | dankolb | No. |
| 00:16.22 | dankolb | They said the rate would be 70EUR, and that was the FOSDEM rate |
| 00:16.29 | cupis | dankolb: liars |
| 00:16.35 | dankolb | Heh |
| 00:16.40 | cupis | that's just /the/ rate |
| 00:17.15 | Tarragon | cupis: Yes Brussels Midi - London Waterloo Int dep 19:57 09/02/2003 Eurostar 9161 |
| 00:17.45 | cupis | I had that onscreen too. after the 19.58-19.54 |
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| 00:20.04 | dankolb | wb Axel |
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| 00:20.16 | Axel | :) |
| 00:20.17 | Jenson | wb Axel |
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| 00:22.05 | Axel | hmmm |
| 00:22.46 | cupis | Aha. |
| 00:22.55 | zimm | cupis: indeed |
| 00:23.04 | cupis | zimm: :) |
| 00:23.16 | cupis | zimm: still bending eurostar.com to my will |
| 00:23.25 | zimm | ahh .. |
| 00:23.30 | cupis | zimm: indeed |
| 00:23.41 | zimm | touche ! |
| 00:29.44 | Axel | lol |
| 00:30.18 | Tarragon | I wouldn't mind but they are obviously all different |
| 00:31.00 | Tarragon | More than one machine... |
| 00:31.15 | Tarragon | No KVM switch |
| 00:31.17 | Axel | hmmm |
| 00:31.45 | Tarragon | TY |
| 00:31.52 | Axel | can't the other two run w/o keybd/mice? |
| 00:33.35 | Tarragon | Browsing on one, burning on another, installing on one and other is playing Uplink |
| 00:33.53 | Axel | ah |
| 00:33.55 | Axel | :) |
| 00:34.14 | cupis | dankolb: depart 1027 on Eurostar 9124, return 1957 on Eurostar 9161 |
| 00:34.19 | dankolb | yeah |
| 00:34.23 | dankolb | Bookedf that? |
| 00:34.29 | cupis | dankolb: yes, booked. |
| 00:45.41 | dankolb | Cool. I'll book the same times, when I get around to it |
| 00:47.24 | Jenson | nevermind |
| 00:47.44 | dankolb | Yeah. Go to bed hon :) |
| 00:48.18 | Jenson | I might do |
| 00:49.19 | dankolb | Go on... |
| 00:49.34 | Jenson | I'm talking to someone |
| 00:49.40 | dankolb | I know |
| 00:49.51 | Jenson | I know you know |
| 00:50.00 | dankolb | :) |
| 00:50.20 | Tarragon | Mmmmhhmmkfmml |
| 00:50.38 | Jenson | good morning Tarragon lol |
| 00:50.45 | dankolb | Hi Tarragon |
| 00:50.45 | Tarragon | :-) |
| 00:51.44 | dankolb | Talk to me then :) |
| 00:51.52 | Jenson | I am :) |
| 00:52.15 | skugg | can you use gaim to access msn? |
| 00:52.26 | skugg | i'm trying to surprise a friend... |
| 00:52.28 | cupis | skugg: yes |
| 00:52.29 | dankolb | skugg: Yeah |
| 00:53.03 | cupis | skugg: just go to 'plugins' and load the libmsn one - then add your account in the normal way |
| 00:53.21 | skugg | what is the normal way? :S |
| 00:53.42 | Jenson | skugg: I have MSN lol.....so much easier |
| 00:53.43 | cupis | skugg: Tools->Accounts, Add |
| 00:54.07 | skugg | Jenson, as soon as msn comes for linux :P |
| 00:54.27 | cupis | skugg: after doing Tools->Plugins, Load, libmsn |
| 00:55.10 | skugg | cupis, okay, thanks |
| 00:55.29 | Jenson | skugg: I can't see M$ making M$N for Linux |
| 00:56.11 | cupis | Jenson: MSN for c#/.NET, running on Mono? |
| 00:57.08 | Jenson | cupis: I know nothing about non win software |
| 00:57.23 | cupis | Jenson: you know is exists |
| 00:57.29 | cupis | it |
| 00:57.30 | Jenson | Yeah |
| 00:57.39 | Jenson | And I have a Slack installed system |
| 00:57.41 | cupis | Jenson: that's more than many seem to. |
| 00:58.17 | dankolb | Mac came out in '84, so... |
| 00:58.31 | Jenson | I reckon I heard of it about 1992 |
| 00:58.35 | cupis | around the same time as the Amiga... |
| 00:59.09 | Jenson | See ya later guys |
| 00:59.13 | dankolb | C'ya hon |
| 00:59.18 | Jenson | see ya |
| 00:59.19 | cupis | night Jenson |
| 00:59.25 | Jenson | night cupis |
| 01:00.58 | skugg | cupis, do you have to do someting else to set up the account, or should it be possible to do from withing gaim? |
| 01:01.24 | skugg | ah, it was a faq. |
| 01:01.26 | skugg | sorry. |
| 01:01.29 | dankolb | :) |
| 01:01.45 | cupis | skugg: a new account? you must set up a hotmail/msn account manually, using hotmail.com or MS Messenger or similar |
| 01:02.05 | cupis | skugg: but gaim can just use existing credentials |
| 01:02.09 | cupis | oh :) |
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| 01:06.51 | Axel | wb davilion |
| 01:06.54 | davilion | hiya |
| 01:07.04 | davilion | went to see i spy tonight, they use linux. |
| 01:07.22 | Axel | good show |
| 01:07.36 | davilion | it was ok, not the funniest film, but not the worst iu have seen |
| 01:07.47 | Axel | what do they use linux for in the mov? |
| 01:08.44 | davilion | the bad guys run linux on their laptop they use to transfer lots of money ebtween offshore bank accounts lol |
| 01:08.57 | davilion | she types /usr/local/bin/evilstuff or somethging then up pops the bank manager type screen and she gets busted |
| 01:09.27 | Axel | lol |
| 01:09.40 | Axel | bet they are using gnome ;) |
| 01:09.53 | davilion | it wasnt actually |
| 01:09.57 | davilion | i didnt clock the window manager. |
| 01:10.03 | davilion | but it wasnt kde/gnome |
| 01:10.09 | davilion | looked like one of the *box |
| 01:10.34 | Axel | hmm |
| 01:26.43 | HuhnZzZ | night night |
| 01:51.36 | dankolb | 'night all |
| 02:07.25 | skugg | nite |
| 02:08.57 | zimm | laters |
| 02:27.04 | Clyphox|quake3 | night all |
| 02:27.18 | Clyphox | I'm thinking of bunking work tomorrow.. |
| 02:27.34 | Clyphox | I've worked all weekend after all.. |
| 02:27.39 | Clyphox | gah work sucks.. |
| 02:27.40 | Clyphox | cya |
| 02:27.48 | Clyphox | </rant> |
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| 04:46.34 | zimm_ | Axel: dude .. you still awake ? |
| 04:49.36 | zimm_ | no matter sorted it |
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| 07:07.55 | eye69 | Morning |
| 07:08.15 | zimm | mornin .. |
| 07:08.52 | zimm | hey .. |
| 07:09.04 | eye69 | Had to switch the office firewall...disk had gone fubar |
| 07:09.14 | zimm | if Axel turns up and starts screaming that ive killed his box |
| 07:09.22 | zimm | err , tell him im sorry :-) |
| 07:09.55 | zimm | but i have neither the knowhow or the bandwidth to test it |
| 07:10.27 | eye69 | Hehehe...what have you done? |
| 07:11.20 | zimm | well , i endede up , upgrading a hotchpotch install of weird debian potato/ knoppix to sid , and installing kde3 .. |
| 07:11.33 | zimm | so , err well .. |
| 07:12.02 | zimm | fsck knows if it works basically as i cant run X to find out |
| 07:12.11 | zimm | and i cant ssh in anymore |
| 07:12.22 | zimm | :-) |
| 07:12.30 | eye69 | You twat :) |
| 07:12.36 | zimm | hehe |
| 07:12.52 | zimm | ohh , i can ,, im in again |
| 07:13.04 | eye69 | I can't really see the point of Knoppix installs |
| 07:13.16 | zimm | well it isnt anymore .. :-) |
| 07:13.25 | zimm | apart from some rubbish left behind |
| 07:13.41 | eye69 | I mean, so what if it's easy to install? You've got the fucking kitchen sink installed. |
| 07:13.49 | zimm | yup |
| 07:14.05 | zimm | lol , i think this is why im having trouble with ssh -X .. |
| 07:14.08 | eye69 | When I install a system, WS or otherwise, I don't have any use for a kitchen sink. |
| 07:14.17 | zimm | he has like EVERY xserver known to man in there |
| 07:14.27 | eye69 | Hehe |
| 07:14.40 | eye69 | xserver-xfree86 is the only one you should need |
| 07:14.55 | zimm | yeh , but im not redoing the whole damn thing |
| 07:15.03 | zimm | i just want to make sure it works lol |
| 07:15.10 | eye69 | Well, you broke it. You fix it. :) |
| 07:15.21 | zimm | i dont know if its broke yet , |
| 07:15.24 | zimm | it may not be |
| 07:15.45 | zimm | apt didnt throw a fit over anything .. |
| 07:16.21 | zimm | and the kde i installed is the one I use , so taht should work ok .. |
| 07:16.55 | eye69 | *cough*apt-get install openbox*cough* |
| 07:16.56 | eye69 | :) |
| 07:17.28 | zimm | fluxbox is already installed :-) |
| 07:17.38 | eye69 | Heh |
| 07:18.21 | zimm | hey , i didnt *choose* to be doing this ,, i was just tidying up |
| 07:23.15 | zimm | right , im off to bed, try and ignore the fact that i have work to hand in today |
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| 08:43.31 | zachary | Good morning |
| 09:15.13 | dank_work | Morning |
| 09:25.33 | eye69 | Damn...I forgot to forward a collegues mail to me, and now I have to formail 2500 emails through spamassassin before I can start to sift through it :) |
| 09:26.42 | zachary | have a look at http://average.matrix.net |
| 09:28.46 | eye69 | zachary: Cool |
| 09:29.30 | eye69 | Nice spike there :) |
| 09:30.32 | eye69 | zachary: I put up an iptables log/drop of the worm on saturday night at about 2AM...got about 25000 hits so far |
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| 09:45.35 | zachary | eye69: f-uk! Don't you like those highly trained/certified db admins. |
| 09:53.36 | dank_work | Love 'em |
| 09:53.44 | dank_work | But a lot of people might just have an SQL server anyway |
| 09:55.25 | eye69 | Who's on mutt? |
| 09:55.59 | eye69 | I can't see how I'm supposed to be able to do a search on the header and mark any message that matches. |
| 09:56.54 | eye69 | Need to delete all emails with X-Spam-Flag: YES |
| 09:57.18 | eye69 | Look like I'll have to filter the bloody thing through procmail |
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| 10:39.26 | Tarragon | What file type should a /boot partition be? |
| 10:41.06 | zachary | Since /boot doesn't change much, ext2 should be fine. Why would it need to be journaled? |
| 10:42.01 | Tarragon | Was actually thinking about FAT32 but ext2 is fine |
| 10:42.50 | zachary | I would think fat32 might have security issues, espectially with the lack of permittions(sp). |
| 10:43.53 | zachary | I need more coffee. I can't spell worth a "beep". |
| 10:46.22 | Tarragon | Not too worried about that, although I should in case I ever move the machine. "Igor" is made out of spare parts. So just for fun. |
| 10:50.43 | Tarragon | I am really starting to love my Happy Hackin' keyboard. Now if only it was wireless... |
| 10:58.40 | eye69 | Tarragon: If you use Grub you don't even need to have /boot mounted. I _think_ the same applies for Lilo. |
| 11:00.58 | Tarragon | Deb default - Just at "Run Tasksel?" part |
| 11:03.19 | eye69 | Oh. |
| 11:03.30 | eye69 | I never run tasksel or dselect. |
| 11:03.43 | eye69 | Better to just the stuff you want with apt-get...less cruft. |
| 11:03.47 | Tarragon | OK what should I do? |
| 11:04.18 | eye69 | Say no to both tasksel and dselect. |
| 11:05.10 | Tarragon | OK pulling down 4 security updates |
| 11:16.03 | zachary | brb |
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| 11:24.50 | Huhn | hi |
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| 12:19.29 | dank_work | blah |
| 12:21.35 | zachary | blah? aaah, blah! Blaaaaaahhhhhhh! |
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| 12:37.12 | eye69 | Hi skugg |
| 12:37.24 | skugg | hi eye69 :) |
| 12:37.34 | skugg | how did your spamfiltering go? :( |
| 12:37.45 | skugg | s,(,), |
| 12:38.07 | eye69 | Been fixed now. |
| 12:38.14 | skugg | cool. |
| 12:38.15 | eye69 | Wasn't one single email that needed to be kept |
| 12:38.22 | skugg | hehe :) |
| 12:38.55 | skugg | hope you used caution -- and spamc/spamd instead of the spamassassin script ;) |
| 12:39.14 | eye69 | Actually not using spam[cd] |
| 12:39.18 | skugg | maybe also the option of only checking for spam, not putting all the report in |
| 12:39.29 | skugg | no? did it not swamp memory? |
| 12:39.44 | eye69 | I guess it did...not that it mattered |
| 12:40.03 | eye69 | Didn't take too long |
| 12:40.18 | skugg | completely fubared my machine with only 40 messages that script did... |
| 12:40.19 | eye69 | Dual P3/1GHz, 1GB mem |
| 12:40.21 | skugg | :) |
| 12:41.14 | skugg | P3/500MHz, 128MiB ram |
| 12:44.21 | eye69 | Anyway, his address is forwarded to me from now on, so I'll have fun trying to unsubscribe him from the gazillions of spam lists he's on. |
| 12:51.27 | skugg | heh |
| 13:05.55 | zachary | bbl |
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| 14:26.52 | dank_work | Does anyone here know much about digital cameras? |
| 14:28.01 | Tarragon | Well no but ask the question anyway... |
| 14:28.14 | dank_work | HP Photosmart C812 |
| 14:28.16 | dank_work | Any good? |
| 14:28.47 | dank_work | (It's 4Mpixel, 3x optical zoom, 7x digital, 16Mb SD media, and for £250) |
| 14:30.03 | Tarragon | It is a USB mass storage and uses MMC/SD for backup. |
| 14:30.29 | dank_work | I'd be using it with a Mac, not Linux, anyway |
| 14:30.35 | dank_work | But basically, is it any good? :) |
| 14:30.36 | thebrother | The digital zoom is largly irrelivant as it's nothing you can't do with a good graphics package |
| 14:30.45 | dank_work | thebrother: I know that :) |
| 14:30.53 | thebrother | Other than that I know nothing |
| 14:31.00 | SpudUAway | Handy for spying on the neighbours tho'! |
| 14:31.07 | dank_work | Heh :) |
| 14:31.41 | SpudUAway | "So that's what makes that funny noise every afternoon at three!" |
| 14:31.47 | dank_work | *zoooom* |
| 14:35.12 | stephen | anyone a good place to get sun parts cheap? i'm after a vga adaptor |
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| 14:35.38 | Axel | hi ho |
| 14:40.50 | dank_work | hi ho |
| 14:41.17 | Tarragon | dank_work: If that price includes VAT then it is a good price. HPC720's are normally just a bit more and they are 3.3M pixels |
| 14:42.26 | dank_work | It does |
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| 14:42.43 | will_ | peeps |
| 14:42.48 | dank_work | HP Photosmart 720: £211.49 in VAT (from Mac Warehouse) |
| 14:42.54 | dank_work | Hi pie |
| 14:42.57 | Tarragon | HP C812 4.1M pixels todays price about £380 |
| 14:42.57 | pie | axel, try gaim |
| 14:43.00 | pie | hello :-) |
| 14:43.04 | pie | apt-get install gaim |
| 14:43.08 | dank_work | Tarragon: Where from? |
| 14:43.41 | Axel | pie? |
| 14:43.50 | Axel | ah - hi will :) |
| 14:43.57 | dank_work | And Dabs has one in their B-grade stock (opened package), which is £26 cheaper |
| 14:44.30 | StuartC | http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/HP/hp_812.asp <-- their reviews are normally pretty good. dunno if the C in the product name is relevent (it's missing from that review)? |
| 14:45.17 | pie | 'lo |
| 14:45.17 | Tarragon | http://www.misco.co.uk The C indicates a Camera as opposed to a 812 printer |
| 14:45.35 | Axel | pie: isn't gaim just for AOL? |
| 14:45.41 | dank_work | Axel: No |
| 14:45.47 | dank_work | AIM, MSN, ICQ, Yahoo!, IRC |
| 14:45.50 | Axel | hmmm |
| 14:45.56 | dank_work | Tarragon: ahh |
| 14:47.52 | pie | I use it for MSN |
| 14:48.05 | pie | and have used it for yahoo |
| 14:48.10 | pie | it is quite good |
| 14:48.34 | Axel | pie: i've only got AIM/ICQ and TOC as an option... |
| 14:51.49 | dank_work | Hmm |
| 14:52.02 | dank_work | Very mixed reviews - some people loved the camera, others hated it |
| 15:04.20 | pie | yo uneed to add it as a module |
| 15:04.40 | pie | tools -> plugins -> load |
| 15:04.44 | pie | should od it |
| 15:04.49 | pie | do it |
| 15:11.08 | Axel | thx - it works :) |
| 15:11.12 | pie | cool |
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| 15:17.42 | Huhn | http://www.laughnet.net/jokemedia/general.htm |
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| 16:11.06 | Axel | hi stephen |
| 16:11.22 | stephen | hi Axel |
| 16:42.38 | Axel | anyone quakers in here? (q3a) |
| 16:42.54 | dank_work | No, but Jenson does sometimes |
| 16:43.09 | Axel | thx |
| 16:43.25 | dank_work | Wanting a 'net game with someone? |
| 16:43.36 | Axel | ;) |
| 16:43.41 | Axel | hehe |
| 16:43.42 | dank_work | Under Linux? |
| 16:43.45 | Axel | sure thing |
| 16:43.50 | Axel | opengl something |
| 16:43.52 | dank_work | Ah. She won't be able to help you with that |
| 16:43.58 | dank_work | What errors does it come up with? |
| 16:44.13 | Axel | the opengl ppl claim the dri drivers are included with my xfree86-4... |
| 16:44.14 | dank_work | Do you have the GL extension loaded to X? |
| 16:44.19 | Axel | but they aren't |
| 16:44.21 | Axel | AFIK |
| 16:44.27 | dank_work | did you compile them in the kernel? |
| 16:44.28 | Axel | should be |
| 16:44.46 | Axel | nope |
| 16:44.54 | Axel | i thought they were already there |
| 16:45.06 | dank_work | Dunno. Are you using a stock kernel? Or compiled yourself? |
| 16:45.12 | Axel | waiting with eager anticipation for me to use them |
| 16:45.20 | Axel | stock (from the knoppix CD) |
| 16:46.02 | dank_work | |hh |
| 16:46.04 | dank_work | Ahh |
| 16:46.07 | Axel | hm? |
| 16:46.16 | dank_work | What does 'lsmod' give? |
| 16:46.21 | Axel | sec |
| 16:46.35 | Axel | uhm.. what am i looking for? |
| 16:46.57 | dank_work | Dunno :) |
| 16:47.03 | dank_work | Just paste the output |
| 16:47.05 | Axel | lol |
| 16:47.05 | Axel | k |
| 16:47.28 | Axel | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 16:47.28 | Axel | capi 19136 0 |
| 16:47.28 | Axel | capifs 3432 1 [capi] |
| 16:47.28 | Axel | kernelcapi 30052 1 [capi] |
| 16:47.28 | Axel | capiutil 22176 0 [kernelcapi] |
| 16:47.29 | Axel | loop 41132 0 (autoclean) |
| 16:47.31 | Axel | md 43008 0 (autoclean) (unused) |
| 16:47.33 | Axel | nls_cp437 4348 1 (autoclean) |
| 16:47.35 | Axel | lvm-mod 46368 0 (autoclean) |
| 16:47.37 | Axel | parport_pc 24808 1 (autoclean) |
| 16:47.39 | Axel | lp 7524 0 (autoclean) |
| 16:47.43 | Axel | parport 22528 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] |
| 16:47.45 | Axel | autofs4 8724 0 (unused) |
| 16:47.47 | Axel | af_packet 13480 1 |
| 16:47.49 | Axel | nls_iso8859-1 2844 1 |
| 16:47.51 | Axel | ntfs 50816 0 (unused) |
| 16:47.53 | Axel | cmpci 33428 1 |
| 16:47.56 | Axel | soundcore 3396 4 [cmpci] |
| 16:47.57 | Axel | 8139too 17096 1 |
| 16:47.59 | Axel | mii 2112 0 [8139too] |
| 16:48.01 | Axel | agpgart 34752 0 (unused) |
| 16:48.03 | Axel | serial 51908 0 |
| 16:48.05 | Axel | usb-uhci 21836 0 (unused) |
| 16:48.07 | Axel | usbcore 57120 1 [usb-uhci] |
| 16:48.09 | Axel | apm 9644 2 |
| 16:48.13 | Axel | rtc 6908 0 |
| 16:48.15 | Axel | ext3 62688 1 |
| 16:48.17 | Axel | jbd 45300 1 [ext3] |
| 16:48.19 | Axel | --- |
| 16:48.21 | Axel | ah... that may have something to do with it: |
| 16:48.23 | Axel | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 16:48.25 | Axel | capi 19136 0 |
| 16:48.27 | Axel | capifs 3432 1 [capi] |
| 16:48.30 | Axel | kernelcapi 30052 1 [capi] |
| 16:48.31 | Axel | capiutil 22176 0 [kernelcapi] |
| 16:48.33 | Axel | loop 41132 0 (autoclean) |
| 16:48.35 | Axel | md 43008 0 (autoclean) (unused) |
| 16:48.37 | Axel | nls_cp437 4348 1 (autoclean) |
| 16:48.39 | Axel | lvm-mod 46368 0 (autoclean) |
| 16:48.43 | Axel | parport_pc 24808 1 (autoclean) |
| 16:48.45 | Axel | lp 7524 0 (autoclean) |
| 16:48.48 | Axel | parport 22528 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] |
| 16:48.49 | Axel | autofs4 8724 0 (unused) |
| 16:48.51 | Axel | af_packet 13480 1 |
| 16:48.54 | Axel | nls_iso8859-1 2844 1 |
| 16:48.55 | Axel | ntfs 50816 0 (unused) |
| 16:48.57 | Axel | cmpci 33428 1 |
| 16:48.59 | Axel | soundcore 3396 4 [cmpci] |
| 16:49.01 | Axel | 8139too 17096 1 |
| 16:49.04 | Axel | mii 2112 0 [8139too] |
| 16:49.05 | Axel | agpgart 34752 0 (unused) |
| 16:49.07 | Axel | serial 51908 0 |
| 16:49.09 | Axel | usb-uhci 21836 0 (unused) |
| 16:49.13 | Axel | usbcore 57120 1 [usb-uhci] |
| 16:49.15 | Axel | apm 9644 2 |
| 16:49.17 | Axel | rtc 6908 0 |
| 16:49.19 | Axel | ext3 62688 1 |
| 16:49.21 | Axel | jbd 45300 1 [ext3] |
| 16:49.23 | Axel | doh |
| 16:49.25 | Axel | sorry |
| 16:49.28 | Axel | ----- R_Init ----- |
| 16:49.29 | Axel | ...loading opengl32: QGL_Init: Can't load opengl32 from /etc/ld.so.conf or current dir: /data/games/Quake3/opengl32: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:49.30 | dank_work | :) |
| 16:49.33 | Axel | failed |
| 16:49.34 | Axel | however ld.so.conf is exactly where it should be... /etc/ |
| 16:49.40 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 16:49.49 | dank_work | But it can't find opengl32.so |
| 16:49.51 | dank_work | But it can't find opengl32.o |
| 16:50.10 | Axel | hmmm |
| 16:50.23 | Axel | can't find it either - probably went out to get some fresh air... bastard |
| 16:50.45 | Axel | --- |
| 16:50.46 | Axel | /usr/lib |
| 16:50.46 | Axel | /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 16:50.46 | Axel | /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib |
| 16:50.47 | Axel | --- |
| 16:50.57 | dank_work | ls /usr/lib/*gl* |
| 16:51.02 | dank_work | ls /usr/X11R6/lib/*gl* |
| 16:51.37 | Axel | the former |
| 16:51.46 | dank_work | Hm |
| 16:52.11 | dank_work | Copy the files into /data/games/Quake3/opengl32 |
| 16:52.27 | Axel | hang on, still no opengl32.so in that list |
| 16:52.32 | Axel | just glibc stuff |
| 16:52.37 | dank_work | Ahh |
| 16:52.42 | dank_work | apt-get install opengl? |
| 16:52.46 | Axel | hmm |
| 16:53.06 | Axel | it's not that easy |
| 16:53.26 | Axel | there's no package by that name... |
| 16:53.57 | dank_work | apt-cache search opengl |
| 16:56.22 | Axel | nope |
| 16:56.26 | Axel | hmmm |
| 16:56.56 | dank_work | I don't know what weird and wonderful package names Debian uses |
| 16:57.42 | Axel | :) |
| 16:57.49 | dank_work | apt-cache search opengl |
| 16:57.51 | dank_work | apt-cache search mesa |
| 16:58.32 | Huhn | my apt-cache search gives me libgle3 for ex.. |
| 16:58.49 | Huhn | there are more entries.. |
| 16:59.26 | Huhn | libgle-dev - OpenGL tubing and extrusion library - development files |
| 16:59.26 | Huhn | libgle-doc - OpenGL tubing and extrusion library - development files |
| 16:59.26 | Huhn | libgle3 - OpenGL tubing and extrusion library |
| 16:59.38 | Axel | hmm |
| 16:59.42 | Axel | thx Huhn |
| 16:59.51 | Huhn | libopengl-perl - Perl module to display 3D data using OpenGL, GLU, GLUT, and GLX |
| 16:59.59 | Huhn | does that help? |
| 17:00.49 | Axel | not really - i think it might be my XF86Config that needs tweaking |
| 17:01.06 | dank_work | Quite possible :) |
| 17:01.08 | dank_work | *possibly |
| 17:02.36 | Axel | if there are /etc/X11/XF86Config and /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, how do I find out which one is actually being used? |
| 17:03.30 | dank_work | Dunno :) |
| 17:03.41 | Huhn | which Xserver? |
| 17:03.48 | Huhn | have a look at /var/log/xdm.log |
| 17:03.57 | Huhn | (if you use xdm) |
| 17:05.18 | Axel | uhm |
| 17:06.11 | Axel | the file is definitly there but i dunno what xdm is or if i'm indeed using it |
| 17:06.26 | dank_work | xdm is the X Display Manager (login manager) |
| 17:06.29 | Huhn | well, how do you start X? |
| 17:06.34 | Axel | funnily enough my gfx card is id'ed correctly |
| 17:06.45 | Axel | Huhn: startx |
| 17:06.45 | dank_work | If you automatically go into X, then you'll be using one of [gxk]dm |
| 17:06.57 | Axel | well, in that case i'm not using it :) |
| 17:07.39 | Huhn | mh, try and error? ;) |
| 17:07.43 | Axel | hehe |
| 17:07.56 | Axel | right |
| 17:07.57 | Axel | brb |
| 17:08.11 | Huhn | try renaming the XF86Config-files and see what happens ;)) |
| 17:08.28 | Axel | yeah |
| 17:08.30 | Axel | right |
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| 17:14.07 | Axel | ok |
| 17:14.35 | Axel | got quake to work - but only with software, not hardware rendering |
| 17:15.19 | Axel | 1.2 Mesa 2.4.2 - Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 17:16.38 | Axel | tries something else |
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| 17:29.36 | dank_work | hi zimm |
| 17:29.49 | zimm | hey dank_work |
| 17:29.54 | dank_work | How's it going? |
| 17:30.09 | zimm | tired ... # |
| 17:30.17 | dank_work | Aw. Go to bed earlier then :) |
| 17:30.24 | zimm | was up till like 8am finfishing essays , then passed out |
| 17:30.28 | dank_work | eek |
| 17:32.07 | dank_work | I was getting up just after 8am |
| 17:34.17 | dank_work | I went to sleep far too late last night - was slightly ill this morning |
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| 17:35.35 | dank_work | hi zimm_ |
| 17:36.34 | dank_work | :) Perfect timing |
| 17:36.42 | zimm | hehe |
| 17:36.54 | zimm | i really hate the way this happens |
| 17:37.52 | dank_work | It's annoying |
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| 17:38.16 | zimm | aye |
| 17:38.44 | zimm | dank_work: not to mention the fact that they have already been out and *sorted* it 3 times |
| 17:39.18 | dank_work | Hm. Not so good |
| 17:39.26 | SpudUAway | I have some enormous file hiding in my /home directory. Give me a clue as to how I can find it, probably by sorting the output of 'du'. Go on, point me in the direction of that man page. |
| 17:40.35 | dank_work | find . | xargs du | sort -n |
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| 17:41.15 | pdr | hello |
| 17:41.28 | SpudUAway | Is it 'thebrother' that's been stalking 'J'? |
| 17:42.43 | ResuDaed | evening all |
| 17:42.58 | pdr | evening |
| 17:43.03 | pdr | SpudUAway: ? |
| 17:43.32 | zimm | evening ResuDaed |
| 17:44.09 | dank_work | Hi Tom, pdr |
| 17:44.38 | ResuDaed | evening zimm |
| 17:45.31 | zimm | :) |
| 17:45.38 | ResuDaed | which doc do people reccomend starting with before a kernel re-compile? |
| 17:45.49 | dank_work | Doc? |
| 17:45.50 | dank_work | DOC? |
| 17:45.55 | dank_work | Buahahaha |
| 17:46.00 | pdr | depends on the distro |
| 17:46.08 | ResuDaed | being that I have never done it before |
| 17:46.16 | pdr | there's plenty of documentation in the Documentation directory |
| 17:46.28 | zimm | ResuDaed: I just read the online kernel hoe-to .. |
| 17:46.29 | ResuDaed | I have noticed - I don't know which one to start from |
| 17:46.45 | dank_work | cd /usr/src/linux |
| 17:46.45 | ResuDaed | I have downloaded the source for 2.4.20 |
| 17:46.47 | dank_work | make mrproper |
| 17:46.48 | pdr | which distro are you using? |
| 17:46.50 | dank_work | make menuconfig |
| 17:46.58 | ResuDaed | pdr : debian |
| 17:47.02 | dank_work | make dep ; make bzImage ; make modules ; make modules_install |
| 17:47.07 | dank_work | That's all you need |
| 17:47.13 | dank_work | And I'm going home |
| 17:47.16 | dank_work | C'yall later |
| 17:47.19 | zimm | dank_work: laters |
| 17:47.24 | ResuDaed | should I start with my orrigional config or start afresh? |
| 17:47.28 | pdr | ah - then don't pay attention to dank ;P (seeya) |
| 17:47.30 | ResuDaed | laters dank_work |
| 17:47.39 | pdr | use make-kpkg |
| 17:47.43 | zimm | ResuDaed: start fresh .. |
| 17:48.07 | ResuDaed | do I need to symlink linux to the source of the new kernel? |
| 17:48.09 | zimm | pdr: hmm , i never use make-kpkg ,, |
| 17:48.31 | pdr | it's heaps cool |
| 17:48.41 | zimm | :-) |
| 17:48.43 | ResuDaed | ie should linux be symlinked to 2.4.18 or 2.4.20 |
| 17:48.45 | pdr | see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html for one reference |
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| 17:49.46 | Axel | hey zimm :) |
| 17:49.49 | pdr | zimm: :) i find it makes it easier to have everything installed as a package, even the kernel |
| 17:49.59 | pdr | hi axel |
| 17:50.00 | zimm | Axel: hey man ,,err , your box still work ? |
| 17:50.05 | Axel | hi pdr |
| 17:50.08 | Axel | lol |
| 17:50.11 | Axel | barely ;) |
| 17:50.14 | skugg | ResuDaed, what you doing? |
| 17:50.18 | Axel | just kiddn' works better now |
| 17:50.22 | Axel | thx for ya help |
| 17:50.26 | skugg | what symlinking are you talking about? |
| 17:50.52 | zimm | Axel: np .. just my connection kept dieing while it was installing stuff ... |
| 17:50.54 | ResuDaed | the symlink that is /usr/src/linux |
| 17:50.56 | Axel | zimm: he messed up galeon though (no PSM - still dunno how to install it) |
| 17:51.19 | skugg | ResuDaed, ah. it is not needed -- it is just for convenience. |
| 17:51.36 | ResuDaed | ah - ok |
| 17:51.45 | skugg | i've got kernel source in ~/src/linux-2.4.20 |
| 17:51.54 | ResuDaed | do I need to enable EISA for ISA? |
| 17:51.58 | zimm | Axel: check now |
| 17:52.11 | skugg | ResuDaed, i doubt it, but don't take my word for it. |
| 17:52.17 | Axel | zimm: k |
| 17:52.35 | Axel | hey, thanks again zimm |
| 17:52.40 | Axel | :) |
| 17:52.43 | zimm | heh .. |
| 17:53.20 | skugg | that'll be fun I think |
| 17:53.33 | Axel | hmmm |
| 17:53.49 | skugg | that's proga |
| 17:53.53 | skugg | hm. |
| 17:53.58 | skugg | programming though. |
| 17:54.00 | Axel | :) |
| 17:54.32 | murble | oh hm new worm targetting tcp 1433 |
| 17:54.33 | skugg | what you poking for? i don't know anything about opengl now, apart from the fact that "games use it" |
| 17:54.34 | Axel | trying to get q3a to work... but it's only using Mes |
| 17:54.37 | skugg | :) |
| 17:54.39 | Axel | s/mes/mesa |
| 17:54.45 | Axel | LOL |
| 17:54.48 | Axel | ok ok ;) |
| 17:55.57 | skugg | why "only" mesa? mesa is a full-blown opengl implementation (according to opengl.org) -- they're just not allowed to call it opengl because they haven't paid the fee :) |
| 17:56.24 | skugg | this from the faq at opengl.org |
| 17:56.26 | ResuDaed | what is video for linux? |
| 17:56.26 | Axel | aha |
| 17:56.52 | skugg | ResuDaed, for video capture cards etc i think. don't worry about it. leave blank ;) |
| 17:56.59 | pdr | bbiat |
| 17:56.59 | murble | a generic interface to video capture devices |
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| 17:57.12 | Axel | skugg: i don't know a first thing about the lot - only that it manage 120fps but q3a won't use it |
| 17:57.12 | ResuDaed | I have a video caputure card (bttv) |
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| 17:57.34 | ResuDaed | (why I asked) |
| 17:57.35 | zimm | ResuDaed: aye , you need the i2c stuff too to use that |
| 17:57.42 | skugg | ResuDaed, ah. worry about it then ;) |
| 17:58.06 | skugg | Axel, don't it? i thought quake did... doom does at least. |
| 17:58.07 | pdr | hehe, this is where that Documentation directory comes in! :) |
| 17:58.14 | ResuDaed | I'll leave it out for now |
| 17:58.55 | skugg | ResuDaed, just compile it in (or as modules) it does not hurt, and you can save yourself a compile later on. |
| 17:59.35 | zimm | skugg: sounsd like he could do with the practice anyway :-P |
| 17:59.54 | Axel | skugg: well, he refuses to load the hardware drivers or whatever it needs - so i end up with ultra slow software drivers... |
| 18:00.23 | zimm | Axel: yeh UT did that for me .. |
| 18:02.12 | skugg | Axel, okay. |
| 18:03.08 | Axel | :) |
| 18:04.37 | Axel | anyway, here is what q3a says: You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)! |
| 18:05.09 | ResuDaed | all this started from trying to get my gfx card working :-) |
| 18:05.19 | Axel | then he goes on saying: ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (4) |
| 18:05.27 | Axel | ResuDaed: ? |
| 18:05.53 | Axel | at last: Received signal 11, exiting... (for no reason, apparent to me at least) |
| 18:07.43 | skugg | Axel, have you read the opengl.org faq? |
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| 18:08.10 | Axel | probably a good idea... |
| 18:11.08 | zimm | Axel: i would check out your XF86Config-4 file too , make sure X is actually using the correct driver for your card :-) |
| 18:14.06 | Axel | it's using the dri driver that came with the XF86Config-4... just like ATI recommended :) |
| 18:14.50 | Axel | apart from the strange fact that i can't run X in any other color depth than 16bit... at 60hz (or summin), it's all good |
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| 18:21.40 | zimm_ | hmm .. |
| 18:21.51 | zimm_ | nah , i still dont like bitchX |
| 18:22.11 | ResuDaed | I think my ram is too screwed to compile properly |
| 18:23.23 | zimm_ | its ot BAD ,, its just not , err , nice . |
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| 18:24.18 | zachary | good evening. |
| 18:24.35 | ResuDaed | zimm_ : then I recommend mIRC :-P |
| 18:26.21 | zachary | There is a win32 version of XChat. But maybe I missed the important part of the conversation. |
| 18:26.32 | zimm_ | lol |
| 18:26.42 | zachary | Yup, I did |
| 18:26.43 | ResuDaed | ah well - I give up on the recompile ... errors (I blame the RAM) |
| 18:26.50 | ResuDaed | lol |
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| 18:36.42 | formi | evening |
| 18:36.52 | Axel | hi formi |
| 18:37.22 | formi | hi Axel |
| 18:37.33 | formi | why do i have a cc? |
| 18:37.45 | Axel | to consume |
| 18:38.00 | Axel | good, services and raw gallons of beer |
| 18:38.15 | formi | i went down to tcr to morgans to buy a kyotek bagpack |
| 18:38.36 | formi | they charged me £30 |
| 18:38.42 | formi | the bastards |
| 18:38.49 | zachary | evening formi |
| 18:38.57 | formi | hi zach |
| 18:39.27 | formi | I bought the same brand, size and model last year for £17 |
| 18:40.08 | formi | do you have one of them zach? |
| 18:45.55 | zachary | formi: no. just a jansport. |
| 18:47.30 | formi | it is unbelievable the increase in price, they probably realised half the gllug list were after them |
| 18:48.11 | zimm | lol |
| 18:48.15 | zimm | its a conspiracy ! |
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| 18:49.55 | formi | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2301970235&category=1486 |
| 18:50.09 | formi | someone grab my cc and run |
| 18:51.06 | zachary | formi: control yourself |
| 18:51.47 | pdr | bbl |
| 18:53.18 | Jenson | Heya zachary |
| 18:54.12 | zachary | hi Jenson |
| 18:56.19 | HuhnPARTY | bye, nice evening |
| 18:56.44 | zachary | formi: Where is your cc? |
| 18:56.55 | zachary | Trust me, Don't Do It! |
| 18:57.22 | formi | im very tempted |
| 18:57.38 | formi | i saw a monitor like that currently at £50 |
| 18:58.38 | SpudUAway | What are the transport costs, costya £50 to move the monitor. |
| 18:58.54 | formi | £35 |
| 18:59.33 | formi | its is camberley |
| 18:59.44 | formi | that doesn't sound far away |
| 19:00.00 | SpudUAway | Wouldn't want to walk back with it. |
| 19:00.31 | SpudUAway | Hire a van? |
| 19:01.07 | formi | i don't want the monitor |
| 19:01.13 | formi | it would for selling |
| 19:03.42 | formi | it's mine |
| 19:06.42 | SpudUAway | Surely its Barclaycards? |
| 19:06.56 | formi | hsbc |
| 19:08.33 | SpudUAway | Have you ever sold stuff on ebay. Is there much hassle to it. Any idea what people might pay for a slightly damaged 9 year old? |
| 19:08.42 | formi | SpudUAway: you have a dodgy monitor |
| 19:08.58 | formi | this is a sony 20" |
| 19:09.21 | SpudUAway | Yeah, but it'll be that funny Sun input stuff. |
| 19:09.24 | Jenson | Gotta go, my mother wants the net. |
| 19:09.26 | Jenson | BBL |
| 19:09.43 | formi | let me check |
| 19:15.21 | formi | yes is pc compatible |
| 19:15.38 | formi | http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_20_Premium_CRT.html |
| 19:15.50 | formi | the one at the bottom |
| 19:16.33 | formi | 1280 ? 1024 |
| 19:16.33 | formi | 81.13 kHz |
| 19:16.33 | formi | 76.11 Hz |
| 19:16.33 | formi | 135 MHz |
| 19:17.00 | SpudUAway | Hmm, looks good. |
| 19:18.45 | formi | do you know where is Camberley? It sounds really familiar to me |
| 19:19.05 | highbury | M4 |
| 19:19.19 | highbury | Where Sun is |
| 19:19.20 | formi | imagine your machine with 2 monitors, |
| 19:19.55 | SpudUAway | Imagine the splinters of desk - with 2 monitors! |
| 19:20.53 | formi | I have a small tv stand arm |
| 19:21.11 | formi | ups phone brb5 mins |
| 19:23.38 | zachary | brb, need to cook dinner |
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| 19:24.39 | dankolb | 'lo |
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| 19:40.01 | dankolb | hi formi |
| 19:40.27 | formi | hi dan |
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| 19:41.25 | dankolb | hi dave |
| 19:41.39 | davilion | hiya |
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| 19:45.41 | davilion | hi Jenson |
| 19:45.48 | Jenson | heya davilion |
| 19:45.51 | dankolb | Hi Jenson |
| 19:45.55 | Jenson | hi dan |
| 19:46.11 | davilion | my pc is truying to tell me something, i have 4 spams in a row advertising 'get skinny now' schemes |
| 19:46.29 | dankolb | Kick it :) |
| 19:46.36 | davilion | hows it going Jenson? |
| 19:46.39 | Jenson | davilion: lol I had 3 'male organ enlargement' ones in a row yesterday....beat that! |
| 19:47.11 | davilion | heh |
| 19:47.18 | formi | i do get those |
| 19:47.23 | davilion | i normally get sceptic tank stuff but that seems to have stopped now |
| 19:47.24 | dankolb | Jenson: Is there something you're not telling us? |
| 19:47.31 | Jenson | dankolb: You should know.... |
| 19:47.53 | dankolb | I wouldn't know if you don't say... |
| 19:47.59 | formi | and i replied i would be willing to be paid for having mine as a model of the after picture |
| 19:48.11 | Jenson | davilion: Never had sceptic tank stuff...and we have a sceptic tank |
| 19:48.16 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:48.21 | Jenson | that |
| 19:50.29 | dankolb | :) |
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| 19:51.40 | Jenson | hey stephen |
| 19:52.39 | stephen | hey Jenson |
| 19:52.45 | dankolb | hi stephen |
| 19:52.55 | stephen | hey |
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| 19:53.01 | denivri | smeg |
| 19:53.06 | Jenson | wb denivri |
| 19:53.08 | denivri | heh got another one. |
| 19:53.21 | denivri | Spam, i hear you have big boobs. |
| 19:53.27 | denivri | goddamit my breasts are fine |
| 19:53.27 | dankolb | heh |
| 19:53.58 | Jenson | lol denivri |
| 19:54.20 | denivri | does anybody have anything against tgi fridays? |
| 19:54.33 | denivri | or should i feel morally bound to go somewhere else? |
| 19:55.17 | denivri | good, because some of the food looks mmmgood |
| 19:55.25 | dankolb | :-) |
| 19:55.56 | denivri | me too but if i dont spend at least 35 quid on my dinner im going to get into trouble |
| 19:55.58 | dankolb | Hehe |
| 19:55.58 | zachary | Some of tgif's stuff is too salty. |
| 19:56.06 | dankolb | denivri: Why? |
| 19:56.13 | denivri | zachary: everything is too salty these days. |
| 19:56.14 | dankolb | That seems rather random |
| 19:56.41 | Jenson | three quarters of a 200g Yorkie bar, 6 savory eggs and a cheeseburger and 2 small orange juices was what i had for lunch |
| 19:56.47 | denivri | dankolb: because if the accountant thinks we can spend less than that and survive then she'll break our legs and cut the bugdget |
| 19:56.49 | denivri | budget |
| 19:56.56 | dankolb | denivri: Ahhh |
| 19:57.20 | denivri | dankolb: i've already been threatened with broken legs for not handing in my expenses for this months, she's itching to get the baseball bat out |
| 19:57.45 | dankolb | Heh. But is she cute and single? |
| 19:57.55 | denivri | no shes not that cute and not that single. |
| 19:58.03 | denivri | she's pretty cool though, but very morally bound. |
| 19:58.08 | dankolb | Well that's no good, is it? |
| 19:58.18 | denivri | a pretty good laugh though. |
| 19:58.26 | denivri | you just don't cross her with things like expenses and tax |
| 19:58.40 | denivri | dankolb: no its not what i would look for in an accountant. |
| 19:59.03 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:59.15 | denivri | who are well clued up on the phrase 'tax avoidance' but have some understanding of the word freud. |
| 19:59.24 | denivri | fraud too |
| 19:59.31 | dankolb | fraudian slip? |
| 19:59.35 | zimm | lol |
| 19:59.38 | Jenson | :) |
| 19:59.47 | denivri | no idea, i can't speel for shit. |
| 19:59.57 | dankolb | heh |
| 19:59.59 | Jenson | BBL |
| 20:00.31 | denivri | right, im off to eat, i may not be able to spell but i can almost smell chicken fajitas. |
| 20:00.36 | dankolb | Heh |
| 20:01.03 | denivri | later |
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| 20:57.25 | formi | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=2302918221 |
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| 21:15.56 | dankolb | hi, showering zimm |
| 21:17.44 | dankolb | dying |
| 21:17.49 | zimm|shower | :) |
| 21:17.56 | dankolb | Oh dear. Looks like too much hassle |
| 21:17.56 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:18.09 | dankolb | Turn phone off, turn PC off, and get into the shower |
| 21:18.44 | zimm|shower | lol |
| 21:18.51 | zimm|shower | laters .. |
| 21:18.53 | dankolb | That would work :) |
| 21:18.55 | dankolb | Cya |
| 21:29.40 | dankolb | *Hotel |
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| 21:46.25 | skugg | dankolb, i think so |
| 21:46.39 | skugg | dankolb, is that the hotel they used last year? |
| 21:46.45 | dankolb | Apparently not |
| 21:47.25 | skugg | oh. |
| 21:47.38 | skugg | is it this year's hotel then? |
| 21:48.03 | dankolb | Dunno. But it was one of them that agk mentioned on the FOSDEM list |
| 21:48.18 | skugg | i'm not sure where i'm staying... probably sleeping in the gutter, which is more apropriate for me among all those celebrity hacker types ;) |
| 21:48.33 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:50.19 | stephen | lol |
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| 21:56.42 | dankolb | wb |
| 22:05.03 | dav9600alco_fuel | ta. |
| 22:05.05 | dav9600alco_fuel | hows it going? |
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| 22:05.21 | Clyphox | Hi |
| 22:06.13 | dav9600alco_fuel | hiya |
| 22:06.52 | Clyphox | er.. |
| 22:06.58 | Clyphox | something weird going on here.. |
| 22:07.11 | dav9600alco_fuel | yeah? |
| 22:07.24 | Clyphox | Must have been some werid kinda vt error.. |
| 22:07.39 | Clyphox | Just didn't render lines right for awhile.. |
| 22:07.51 | Clyphox | nevermind.. more important things.. like UrbanTerror.. |
| 22:08.15 | dav9600alco_fuel | heh |
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| 22:11.17 | Jenson | hey guys |
| 22:11.43 | stephen | hey Jenson |
| 22:12.05 | Jenson | hey stephen |
| 22:12.19 | skugg | hi jenson |
| 22:12.25 | Jenson | hi skugg |
| 22:13.34 | dankolb | hey |
| 22:15.05 | skugg | can only turn my head to the right, not to the left |
| 22:15.24 | dankolb | ah |
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| 22:16.08 | Jenson | hi formi |
| 22:16.28 | formi | hiya |
| 22:16.30 | formi | are you watching telly? |
| 22:17.45 | dav9600alco_fuel | yes |
| 22:17.53 | formi | channel 4? |
| 22:18.01 | dav9600alco_fuel | i am now |
| 22:18.07 | formi | you lost it then |
| 22:18.16 | formi | they were showing tatoos |
| 22:19.05 | formi | one of them was a nest with little birds and mamma bird as well |
| 22:19.26 | formi | were the nest wasn't actually tatooed |
| 22:20.39 | dankolb | Yeah :) |
| 22:21.38 | dankolb | <g> |
| 22:21.49 | formi | come on don't be a dirty **** |
| 22:22.42 | zimm | lol |
| 22:23.14 | dankolb | Not even your mind? |
| 22:23.21 | formi | s/****/girl/mind/???? |
| 22:23.51 | Jenson | dankolb: Nope, I'm all innocent |
| 22:23.58 | dankolb | :-) |
| 22:25.05 | skugg | Jenson, that's good to hear. i, on the other hand, am known to make perverts look like angels. |
| 22:25.18 | Jenson | lol skugg |
| 22:25.20 | dav9600alco_fuel | heh |
| 22:25.31 | Jenson | Does that make me an angel or a pervert? |
| 22:25.37 | skugg | okay, it is not *commonly* known ;) |
| 22:25.42 | formi | it depends what those "angels" are doing to you |
| 22:25.43 | dankolb | Both? |
| 22:25.53 | Jenson | lol dankolb a perverted angel? |
| 22:25.57 | Jenson | or an angelic pervert? |
| 22:26.00 | dankolb | Both :) |
| 22:49.13 | Jenson | wb Clyphox |
| 22:49.20 | Clyphox | Hi all |
| 22:49.38 | formi | hi cly |
| 22:49.42 | dankolb | hi Clyphox |
| 22:49.44 | Clyphox | heya.. |
| 22:49.51 | Clyphox | heya... |
| 22:49.59 | dankolb | How's your email working? |
| 22:50.15 | Clyphox | dunno.. havn't got any.. |
| 22:50.22 | dankolb | No? |
| 22:50.27 | formi | did you know that 85% of the traffic in this list is related to a "hello" equivalent? |
| 22:50.30 | Clyphox | hehe.. jsut kidding.. much less than normal at any rate.. |
| 22:50.37 | dankolb | Oh right :) |
| 22:50.49 | dankolb | At least it's working |
| 22:50.56 | Clyphox | dankolb, I have to set fetchmail up to fetch first hehe |
| 22:51.00 | dankolb | Hehe :) |
| 22:51.07 | Clyphox | whould help hehe |
| 22:51.30 | Clyphox | When I get to aberdeen I want to make a email-in-the-box type thing with lart or itx hehe |
| 22:51.41 | Clyphox | plus the kitchen sink.. |
| 22:52.21 | dankolb | cool |
| 22:52.31 | skugg | i keep getting sms-adverts ... crap like "you are guarranteed to win one of: ..." type things. can't even answer with a loud and clear "FOAD!" because the number just says "NewYear"... |
| 22:52.40 | dankolb | bwah :( |
| 22:53.15 | stephen | that's one good reason why i don't have a cell phone |
| 22:53.23 | Clyphox | I only receive spam from my servers hehe |
| 22:53.26 | skugg | email in a box thing would be nice -- something you just plugged in the phone maybe |
| 22:53.31 | formi | skugg: are you sure there is no option to stop them? I have never ever received one, in about 6 months |
| 22:53.57 | skugg | formi, i don't know. i don't get so many of them, probably less then 10 a year. |
| 22:54.24 | skugg | i would like to not have one, but mom insists ;) |
| 22:54.34 | Clyphox | I just want something that is: silent, has flashing lights, is low on power, is stackable and does the job. |
| 22:54.35 | Jenson | dankolb: That's Americani*z*ed |
| 22:54.38 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:54.42 | dankolb | I know |
| 22:54.46 | dankolb | But that would be silly :) |
| 22:54.46 | formi | do these ppl do like the spammers? number collection? |
| 22:54.57 | Clyphox | why not? |
| 22:54.58 | skugg | formi, not a clue. |
| 22:55.07 | Clyphox | Same as fax spam.. |
| 22:55.13 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 22:55.13 | dankolb | Heh |
| 22:55.18 | dankolb | It's a phobile mone |
| 22:58.13 | zachary | Yea dankolb, you wish you were getting a moan. :P |
| 22:58.27 | dankolb | Dirty-minded :) |
| 22:58.37 | dankolb | just because you can get a moan any time you want... |
| 22:58.58 | formi | dankolb: that includes all the human race but the pope and the queen |
| 22:59.09 | Clyphox | I like these phoenix themes.. |
| 22:59.09 | dankolb | Well, the Queen has done... |
| 22:59.14 | zachary | Jenson: who said I was impling you? |
| 22:59.27 | Clyphox | jsut wish I could just click on email adresses.. |
| 22:59.40 | Clyphox | and disable remembering passwords.. |
| 23:00.24 | Clyphox | sry.. |
| 23:00.30 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:01.46 | formi | http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/01/27/1831240&tid=2 |
| 23:02.18 | formi | the list at the bottom of the page is funny, what us gov departments runs. os like |
| 23:02.41 | dankolb | Copy & paste a bit? :) |
| 23:03.19 | formi | flood warning |
| 23:03.23 | formi | In fact, many government websites still run on Windows or other combinations of server/OS. Here's a listing of some: |
| 23:03.23 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.23 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.23 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.23 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.25 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.27 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.28 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.30 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.32 | formi | * most .mil sites - netscape on solaris - Defense Technical Information Center |
| 23:03.34 | *** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@modem-1074.dasyure.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 23:03.36 | formi | Contrary to some speculation, Brady doesn't think the 'Net is at risk for a resurgence of the MS SQL worm this week. "The fix is so trivial," he says. "And it seems efforts to filter the traffic have been very effective. Besides, why would you ever put a SQL server naked on the Internet? There are a whole lot of other things you'd put up first." |
| 23:03.41 | Jenson | hi cupis |
| 23:03.43 | formi | *The website of the National Security Agency shows up as being hosted by Lingualistek, a small tech business in Maryland that runs its own site on Apache and Linux. on Linux. |
| 23:03.45 | formi | flood warning off |
| 23:04.16 | cupis | hello all |
| 23:04.25 | zachary | formi: zdnet.com.au had a nice interview of alan cox. |
| 23:04.49 | zachary | the real kicker was the ms add on the same page. lmao |
| 23:05.08 | formi | i don't get ads |
| 23:05.08 | dankolb | Hehe |
| 23:05.14 | dankolb | Hi cupis |
| 23:05.25 | zachary | you might want to look at that one |
| 23:05.29 | Jenson | zachary: My firewall blocks ads |
| 23:06.13 | formi | the other day I forgot to link up to squid and spent 15 seconds looking at linuxtoday.com and wandering why it didn't seem familiar? |
| 23:06.26 | Clyphox | I disslike the attitude aroun NON proprietry sw in this country.. seams no one can understand it.. |
| 23:06.34 | dankolb | yeah |
| 23:07.31 | Clyphox | I disslike the attitude aroun NON proprietry sw in this country.. seams no one can understand it.. |
| 23:07.40 | Clyphox | weird.. did I just say that? |
| 23:08.07 | dankolb | Yes |
| 23:08.08 | Clyphox | Everytime I switch back to this window it is reset.. |
| 23:08.10 | cupis | Clyphox: yeah |
| 23:08.12 | dankolb | And still with the same misspellings |
| 23:08.16 | cupis | Clyphox: yeah |
| 23:08.21 | Clyphox | come one /m me and tell me if you see this |
| 23:08.32 | cupis | come one? lol |
| 23:08.39 | Jenson | come one what? |
| 23:08.41 | Clyphox | my first BitchX bitch.. |
| 23:08.53 | cupis | Jenson: s/come/some/ |
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| 23:09.44 | Clyphox | hello? |
| 23:09.56 | dankolb | hllo |
| 23:10.04 | Clyphox | hlo |
| 23:10.26 | cupis | ho |
| 23:10.27 | cupis | h |
| 23:10.38 | Clyphox | :) |
| 23:11.06 | zachary | h |
| 23:11.30 | dankolb | ho |
| 23:11.40 | zachary | hlo |
| 23:11.44 | Clyphox | Hey there is a gui/console flame going on in #slackware if you care.. (I contributed some bbox notes hehe) |
| 23:11.47 | dankolb | hllo |
| 23:11.50 | Clyphox | hello |
| 23:11.53 | dankolb | :-) |
| 23:11.54 | cupis | hello? |
| 23:11.55 | Clyphox | this is sad |
| 23:11.58 | dankolb | Very :) |
| 23:12.01 | zimm | rofl |
| 23:12.06 | Jenson | hlo |
| 23:12.08 | zachary | Vry |
| 23:12.08 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:12.12 | Jenson | i nticd |
| 23:12.15 | Clyphox | vy |
| 23:12.17 | cupis | nooooo....... stop the madness |
| 23:12.21 | Jenson | evl txt lnge |
| 23:12.25 | zachary | v |
| 23:12.27 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.02 | Clyphox | must work... arg.. |
| 23:13.36 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:15.18 | Clyphox | cupi , why have you given me your ' ' and ' ' key ? |
| 23:15.58 | Clyphox | phone.. |
| 23:16.05 | cupis | lol |
| 23:16.11 | dankolb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.39 | dankolb | :-) |
| 23:16.40 | dankolb | Thanks |
| 23:17.14 | cupis | we /are/ having h/w problems on this channel tonight, aren't we? :) |
| 23:17.38 | ResuDaed | Clyphox : can I send you a openOffice doc (piece of beths work) in a little while to keep safe (I don't trust her disk - its been lost once) |
| 23:19.22 | Clyphox | ResuDaed : ok.. I'm going to sleep soon so hurry.. |
| 23:20.41 | Jenson | formi: They mean the same |
| 23:20.45 | Jenson | one is american |
| 23:20.55 | dankolb | ass is a donkey |
| 23:21.13 | zimm | is it ? |
| 23:21.15 | zimm | mine isnt .. |
| 23:21.44 | Clyphox | No actually.. |
| 23:21.51 | Clyphox | a Mule is a donkey I think.. |
| 23:21.54 | dankolb | N |
| 23:21.55 | dankolb | No |
| 23:22.02 | dankolb | A Mule is a donkey/horse cross, IIRC |
| 23:22.08 | cupis | no, a donkey is a donkey |
| 23:22.11 | Clyphox | and an ass is a mix between donkey and horse? or am I getting it crossed? |
| 23:22.25 | formi | you mean than us ppl call fellow us individuals donkeys? instead of backsides? |
| 23:22.25 | dankolb | I think you're getting it crossed |
| 23:22.31 | Clyphox | [nod] |
| 23:22.38 | dankolb | Well, ass is the US spelling for backside, too |
| 23:22.47 | Jenson | The amercians also use fanny to mean backside |
| 23:22.51 | dankolb | True |
| 23:22.56 | Clyphox | dumb.. |
| 23:23.10 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 23:23.33 | formi | one of my mates was called by us Fanny, short of Estefania, which caused a bit of trouble |
| 23:23.43 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:23.55 | dav9600alco_fuel | heh |
| 23:23.57 | formi | when some bobby asked our names? and she said "I am Fanny" |
| 23:23.58 | zachary | A mule is a sterile offspring of a male donkey and a female horse |
| 23:26.08 | formi | obviously zachary |
| 23:36.46 | formi | he is on a serial connection |
| 23:37.05 | formi | and that was an overload |
| 23:37.54 | dankolb | Ah |
| 23:37.55 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:38.40 | Jenson | He ran out of credit |
| 23:38.53 | Jenson | Connected on a t68 on O2 lol |
| 23:39.01 | dankolb | Haha |
| 23:39.08 | dankolb | Fule |
| 23:39.38 | Jenson | awww he just texted me lol |
| 23:39.48 | dankolb | So not that much out of credit |
| 23:50.51 | cupis | dankolb: what's up? |
| 23:51.08 | cupis | tell uncle #gllug |
| 23:51.53 | dankolb | Nothing much |
| 23:52.02 | dankolb | In fact, nothing important |
| 23:52.29 | cupis | it's important enough to make you unhappy? |
| 23:53.16 | dankolb | Not that it should be |
| 23:53.31 | cupis | but it is... |
| 23:54.08 | dankolb | Nah |
| 23:56.34 | ResuDaed | quick help : I have a printer on a windows machine (hp DJ610c) ... how do set it up so that I can print a doc from open office to it? |
| 23:56.54 | ResuDaed | (me on linux box ... printer is a network share) |
| 23:56.55 | cupis | ResuDaed: OOo on the same machine? |
| 23:56.55 | dankolb | Get LPR to print to the Windows printer share |
| 23:57.12 | dankolb | Or install OOo on the Win machine |
| 23:57.17 | ResuDaed | OOo is on the linux box, printer on the windows box |
| 23:57.20 | cupis | ResuDaed: setup cups/lpr/lprng/whatever to use the network printer |
| 23:57.42 | ResuDaed | I don't have time to download OOo for windows and I don't know how to use lpr |
| 23:58.05 | cupis | ResuDaed: what printing system do you currently have installed on the Linux box? |
| 23:58.12 | ResuDaed | or any of the others meantioned (I have never (and will probably never agin) need to print form linux |
| 23:58.22 | dankolb | wb |
| 23:58.23 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:58.28 | Jenson | Wrong command |
| 23:58.30 | ResuDaed | I havn't set anything up for printing |
| 23:59.08 | dankolb | Can you print to a file, then get gs to convert it to whatever the DJ610c wants? |
| 23:59.54 | ResuDaed | there should be a much easier way (taking in to account that I can access the printer through samba) |