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00:13.17formizach
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00:20.50zacharyhey formi
00:21.35formi<PROTECTED>
00:22.16zacharyas in Global Positioning System? No.
00:23.00formiim having a hell of a time trying to get one working with a zaurus
00:23.55formithe docs say it should as easy as stopping pppd from taking over ttyS0
00:35.02zacharysounds fun. Wish I could be of some help.
00:35.55zimm|awayflyers for what zachary ?
00:36.02formiwih enough time then
00:36.41zacharyzimm|away: Promote install fest at the computer fairs around TCR.
00:36.54zimm|awayahh , a worthy cause indeed .. :)
00:38.01formiof which zach is more than guilty :-)
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00:48.39new2unixhi all.
00:48.54formihi M
00:48.57new2unixany cisco knob heads in the house tonight?
00:49.15new2unixHi F.  :p
00:51.20formion a friday fosdem night?
00:51.31formiyou are asking for tooo much
00:51.39new2unixlol
00:51.47new2unixyeah. i guessed as much.
00:51.48new2unixbrb
01:05.15formiim wondering if murb has been eaten by a shell script?
01:07.18murbdank is supposed tro wake up early and get to fosdem to get my dondation in for my t-shirt for 2003 which had better not be the same as last years
01:11.25forminew2unix: oi
01:12.34new2unixany folks want to send back a fosdem t-shirt for me?
01:12.43new2unixi'll pay good money for one.
01:12.56forminew2unix: there is a consume meeting on sunday
01:13.06new2unixi'll even chip in a brand new floppy drive for free.  lol
01:14.12formidell has decided stopping suppliying them as default, and most news sites say the floppy is gonna be history because of this
01:14.35new2unixthats why i'm giving one away fro free.
01:14.38new2unixany takers?
01:14.40new2unixhaha
01:19.39new2unixhad a problem assigning an ip address to a cisco 2950. decided to get back to it on Monday after some copius amounts of reading/research.  thses things often give me headaches.  lol
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01:24.55zacharyformi: I've printed 200 so far. How many do you think we need?
01:26.02formi<PROTECTED>
01:26.03new2unixhello Zach. what are we doing?
01:26.19new2unixam lost. whats going on?
01:26.41formileaflets to announce the installfest
01:30.11zacharyformi: I need some sleep. I'm do the rest tomarrow over coffee.
01:31.56zacharyI also have 20 remastered knoppix cd's that default to the uk keyboard layout.
01:32.42formitomorrow at 10 then?
01:34.00zacharyyes sir. I'll be in here up to 9:20. So if there is anything that comes up. Did you get my phone numbers
01:34.02zachary?
01:34.35forminope
01:34.52formiring me
01:34.59zacharyok
01:35.14zacharygood night all
01:37.09new2unixbye all
01:37.16forminew2unix:
01:37.25new2unixyeah?
01:37.35formiare you then coming to the consume meeting?
01:38.13new2unixoh. probably. where is it again?
01:38.35formithe limehouse
01:38.47formicheck consume.net
01:39.22formii'll see you there if you come
01:39.35formiim off to bed
01:39.56forminght
01:40.08new2unixcool. i'll try and make it. i took my laptop to work and really messed things up as rook. will try and work on it tomorrow
01:40.23new2unixbye
01:40.25new2unix
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08:32.05SpudHi,anyone qbout?
08:32.28SpudHa, French keyboqrd
08:32.31zacharynope, just us nicks.
08:32.57SpudAh, just qs well, then.
08:35.01SpudIve forgotten the peice of pqper with the name of the hotel everyone is staying at. Theyve tqken it off the fosdem site too.  Bah.
08:36.24SpudGotta go, chat soon.
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12:23.46A4266Hi
12:24.07A4266resuDaed. you there?
12:24.39A4266hmm.. guess not..
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12:27.03ompheafternoon everyone.
12:27.14zimmafternoon
12:27.20A4266g'day
12:28.26ompheHad to skip TCR fairs so I could go climbing tomorrow.
12:28.39ompheNow the weather is shit and I can't do either. :(
12:28.51A4266:( That doesn't help at all
12:29.01A4266At least ya get to speand some time online :P
12:29.23A4266and have a good reason for doing it too!!
12:29.42ompheYeah, but I'm going climbing in spain next week and could use some training time.
12:29.59omphenew computer toys could have eased the sting!
12:30.08A4266hmm... Climb on to the roof a few times then
12:30.15A4266lol
12:31.06A4266whats wrong with them that they haven't eased it?
12:31.47ompheCan't go buy them at all, as I commited myself to work today in hopes of a climb tomorrow.
12:32.11A4266lol
12:32.31ompheI'll have to settle for carpal wrists rather than pumpy ones.
12:33.00A4266yup. Wouldn't doing a few pushups help at all?
12:33.27ompheI do plenty of those, but no.
12:33.49ompheTry hanging from your door jam by feet and fingers.  Not a pushup like exercise.
12:33.56A4266lol
12:34.09A4266I've tried b4. but the ledges are to small...
12:34.57A4266also they're not high enough to get my feet off the ground :P
12:35.10ompheToo small for fingers or too small for clean pants?
12:35.19A4266lo, fingers :P
12:35.22A4266*lol
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12:36.12ompheafternoon Jenson
12:36.13zimmhey Jenson
12:36.18A4266hey Jenson
12:36.19Jensonhey omphe
12:36.22Jensonhey zimm
12:36.25Jensonhey A4266
12:37.01A4266lol
12:37.02zimmhow are the fosdemer's Jenson ? i assume you are getting regular updates ?
12:37.10JensonNow I've got to sort my audio drivers for Win and for Slack
12:37.35A4266I've got to do the same for slack myself. Haven't got sound on it yet
12:37.39Jensonzimm: I don't think Dan was very happy yesterday and this morning, but I think he's ok now he's met up with the others
12:37.47zimmahh ,,
12:37.50JensonA4266: Well, good luck
12:37.53Jensonwhat card?
12:38.16A4266umm.. Vreative live I think it is.
12:38.26A4266My pc is at home :P
12:38.30A4266*creative
12:38.38JensonThe thing is, in true irritating fashion, in Win I get blue screen crashes, in KDE I get a nice polite msg with an OK box
12:38.48zimmhehe
12:38.48A4266lol
12:38.52zimmat least its polite
12:38.53JensonCreative Live Player 1024 is the one thats giving me crap
12:38.59A4266Thats the joys of linux
12:39.10Jensonyeah zimm and I have to option of blocking it
12:39.33A4266hm.. I'm gonna have to bug my bro as to how to get it going as he has the same card
12:39.42zimmwhat actually crashes in kde ? Jenson
12:39.42JensonI've gotta try to sort my modem in Linux, Ive got the choice of attempting to see if it likes my PCI modem, or adding an ext modem and workjing out how to use that
12:40.05A4266start small if I were you.
12:40.26Jensonzimm: So far zimm the only thing I've actually crashed is KFoulEggs, and the whole of X at one point
12:40.27ompheExternal is the only way to go.
12:40.30JensonSince yesterday
12:40.39Jensonomphe: Yeah
12:41.25JensonI'm not actually convinced Win is quite sure where my PCI modem is either, just seems to work.
12:41.33Jensonzimm: You got no clothes on?
12:42.32zimmi have now ..
12:42.38A4266lol
12:42.42zimmid just got out of the shower
12:42.44JensonDamn, did I miss you half naked?
12:42.55zimmerr , i was completely naked ..
12:43.08JensonOhh naked and dripping with water :P
12:43.16A4266lol
12:43.16zimmlol
12:43.22JensonAnyway, getting back to what I was about to say about audio drivers
12:43.44A4266}¬]
12:44.07JensonI think the problem with the audio drivers in Win is that the patch I need to d/l is 5.53MB according to Creative site, but the d/l is only actually 2.06MB
12:44.21JensonI had this problem on my last format but the patch sorted it.
12:44.21zimmhmm ,,
12:44.40zimmdoes the card work in linux at all ?
12:44.43A4266<PROTECTED>
12:44.58JensonI have no clue whats going on with Linux, and no it doesnt work, but I wasnt expecting it to.
12:45.28zimmaww
12:45.30A4266I think I ended up getting the driver elsewhere
12:45.45JensonI'm playing Darren Hayes, speakers plugged in to headphone jack on CDplayer lol
12:45.51JensonA4266: Yeah I was looking for a mirror
12:46.11Jensonzimm: You being naughty?
12:46.30JensonI love that track
12:46.31A4266lol
12:46.43JensonToo bad I can't currenlty play MP3s coz my soundcards are giving me shit
12:46.49JensonBRB
12:46.56A4266oklies
12:47.01zimmk
12:48.02Jensonback
12:48.06A4266wb
12:48.49JensonDamn my mother just said make sure I can play tetris
12:48.53Jensonit isnt installed lol
12:48.57A4266lol
12:49.14Jensonoh yay
12:49.16JensonIt is on here
12:49.27A4266My mom wants the same dorta thing, 'cept she prefers Samegame
12:49.35A4266*sorta
12:50.04Jenson:)
12:50.05A4266what sound card have ya got btw and what win are ya running?
12:50.14JensonI'm gonna encourage mine into KFoulEggs and thus Linux
12:50.25JensonSoundblaster Live Player 1024 Win98SE
12:51.06JensonI have a headache, I think my brain is trying to tell me not to mess up my sleep patterns
12:51.17zimmheh , could be
12:51.45A4266lol
12:52.17JensonI shouldn't have stayed up til 1:45 talking to zimm on Thursday should I
12:53.09JensonIt's ok, it was an interesting conversation
12:53.18A4266lol
12:53.48A4266I was up a bit late last night myself. Was fooling around with linux with clyphox, resuDaed and another mate
12:54.13omphezimm is a free house elf!
12:54.19JensonA4266: You know clyphox and resuDaed, and Beth I assume, cool.
12:54.37A4266yup
12:54.44A4266I'm related to 2 of 'em :)
12:55.07omphezimm: sorry Harry Potter joke. Totally uncalled for.
12:55.24A4266lol, ohh ya. Nobby I think it was :P
12:55.30ompheDobby.
12:55.39A4266I've read the lot of 'em a few years back
12:55.57A4266go and dl them :P
12:56.04ompheI read the lot in a few days when I broke my back.
12:56.12A4266lol
12:56.22JensonYeah Dobby
12:56.28JensonThat's a good movie I'm sorry to say
12:56.44A4266I read them when I wasn't working. Nicked them off my sis and downloaded the last 1
12:56.46ompheBooks on a palm and a fat bag of grass are good for back injuries.
12:56.57A4266I haven't seen the 2nd movie yet :(
12:57.01Jensonomphe: Yeah, sounds it
12:57.02ompheI've got the lot in a zip file for palm.
12:57.31JensonBye guys
12:57.35JensonHave a nice day.
12:58.07A4266ok, cya
12:58.09zimmlaters Jenson
12:58.16JensonDamn, I cant go yet still waiting for my dads mail to d/l
12:58.42A4266lol
12:59.09JensonHe's mailed loads of pictures of our building work home that he took on his works digital camera
12:59.11A4266he must have a lot of mail...
12:59.20A4266heh
12:59.31JensonMy dad doesnt really get mail that he hasnt sent to himself lol
12:59.46JensonA4266: Are you new here BTW?
12:59.56A4266Jenson: try this link for the sound card drivers http://www.tweakers.net/meuktracker/1247
13:00.08Jensonty
13:00.09A4266kinda, I've been in a few times b4
13:00.11A4266np
13:00.49JensonOh, I don't need to ask a/s/l......but how old are you?
13:01.01A4266lol, 20
13:01.13JensonOh, apart from Beth I'm still the youngest then
13:01.19A4266lol
13:01.33A4266well I think ya can get my sex and location :)
13:01.41A4266how young is that then?
13:01.47Jenson18
13:01.58A4266cool :)
13:02.11A4266you're not much older the Beth then :)
13:02.21JensonI know
13:02.31JensonGreat, d/ling my drivers from a Dutch site :)
13:02.39A4266:)
13:02.49JensonWhy zimm hon?
13:02.50zimmA4266 >= ?
13:03.02JensonFriend of the resus
13:03.09zimmahh ..#
13:03.14A4266ya
13:03.31A4266I'm Clyphox's twin btw. :)
13:03.50zimmahh ..# ....
13:04.18JensonWell i would have been downloading from theat site but it doesnt seem to exist
13:04.28A4266hm... damn.
13:04.45JensonIt copuld have timed out
13:04.55JensonI have crap bandwidth when I'm already downloading
13:05.10A4266I don't think so. I just tried oit now. It was taking its time...
13:05.16A4266*it
13:05.22JensonOh well
13:05.24zimmit died for me too
13:05.33JensonNot just me for once :)
13:05.51JensonGood, this mail is nearly done, I can reboot soon
13:06.57A4266:)
13:07.03JensonA4266: You going to be at the InstallFest?
13:08.00A4266ya :)
13:08.12JensonCool, I'll see ya there then :)
13:08.39A4266cool :)
13:09.11A4266I can't wait actualy. There are quite a few thing I gotta learn!!
13:09.21JensonYeah me too
13:09.39JensonI can install and do Xconfig......but other than that not much
13:09.55JensonA4266: Which distro you running?
13:10.21Jenson:D
13:11.06A4266ol
13:11.08A4266*lol
13:11.46A4266I've been able to get my machine to dual boot, but I haven't booted into slack for a while :/.
13:12.16Jensonawwww
13:12.21JensonI have to go
13:12.24JensonBBL
13:12.30A4266ok, cya :)
13:12.30zimmlaters Jenson
13:12.33Jensonlater
13:12.35ompheciao
13:13.18A4266what distro do you guys use?
13:13.26omphedebian
13:13.29zimm|coffeedebian
13:13.36A4266cool :)
13:13.47zimm|coffeecourse , we cant say that when dankolb is here
13:14.01A4266I want to try debian out some time 'cause U've heard of the update command
13:14.02zimm|coffeehe seems to have an allergy
13:14.07A4266lol
13:14.15A4266What's he hooked on then?
13:14.19zimm|coffeeslack
13:14.27A4266lol
13:14.28omphezimm|coffee: to anything but OpenBSD
13:14.34A4266lol
13:14.46zimm|coffeeomphe: lol , true
13:15.04ompheno matter what question I ask, he hands me that.
13:15.21A4266lol.
13:15.40A4266Sounds like a fun person :P
13:15.49ompheHell, I've lost too much sleep over Debian to give up now.
13:15.58A4266lol
13:16.34ompheDankolb's cool, he's helped me out a few times.
13:16.41A4266:)
13:16.55omphesuperglued to Jenson
13:17.14A4266lol, so he's her boyfriend is it?
13:17.17A4266lol
13:17.18zimm|coffeeyeh
13:17.24omphezimm|coffee: I want KDE3, but am worried about ditching stable.
13:17.41A4266I thought you were running unstable?
13:17.45zimm|coffeeomphe: official kde packages are available from download.uk.kde.org
13:17.50zimm|coffeefor woody
13:18.06zimm|coffeecheck the kde site for the deb line
13:18.21ompheyeah, I need to update my sources.list
13:18.41ompheAny notable improvements?
13:18.48zimm|coffeesid was held up cos of the gcc transition .,, but woody actuallky had kde3.1 within hours of it going to final release
13:19.11zimm|coffeeomphe: hmm , tabs in konq , its faster , and err , nicer
13:19.31ompheKnoppix has kde3 no?
13:19.41zimm|coffeedunno , never used it
13:19.46ompheCos Knoppix Kde is much sexier than woody's.
13:20.06zimm|coffeewell , whatever.. 3.1 is availablew for woody ..,
13:20.20zimm|coffeebrb
13:22.15A4266lol
13:29.48A4266wb. ya got the coffee I take it? :P
13:29.55zimmyup
13:30.23A4266grrr... COFFEE!!! :P
13:30.28zimmhad to survive an encounter with the evil landlord creature and its dog , but im back all the same
13:30.36A4266lol
13:33.01A4266you'll have to excuse my lack of talking and delays. I'm at the office today :/
13:33.09zimmnp
13:33.37zimmmy excuse is merely that im boring and have nothing to say :)
13:33.43A4266lol
13:33.49A4266thats my other excuse :P
13:34.03A4266Also most ppl don't know as much star trek as me....
13:34.07A4266lol
13:34.30A4266yummy :D
13:34.33zimmlol
13:35.14A4266lol
13:35.35A4266better not, you'll put them all to shame there..
13:35.48zimmahh , i see you are familiar with them ..
13:36.07A4266no, but I know what they're like
13:36.21A4266lol
13:37.28A4266lol
13:37.28ompheC'mon somebody laugh, that was fairly subtle, self-deprecating UKstyley humor.
13:37.47A4266My dad's a mensan :/ But he's a cool mensan :D
13:37.53zimmevidently too subtle for us plebians
13:37.58ompheI'm a dumb yank.
13:37.59A4266lol
13:38.33A4266any1 have telewest here?
13:38.43A4266was it hard to get in?
13:39.27ompheall this talk of coffee has made me tremble.
13:39.55A4266I know what ya mean. I'm suffering coffee with drawl symptoms!!
13:40.09A4266I haven't had any since 2 this morning!!
13:41.57A4266arg, gotta get sky sport set up for me folks :/
13:48.59ompheohhhhh,  heaven.  Coffffffeeeeeee!!!
13:50.37ompheman, easy-rent-a-wreck is a cinch!
13:51.24A4266coffee : p''''
13:52.19A4266thats it!!! BRB. Need food and coffee!!
13:52.32omphehappy hunting.
14:01.19A4266I have hunted the great Burgerking and survived !!!
14:02.29ompheA4266 is in the BK lounge!
14:02.52A4266ohh yeah!! :D
14:04.09ompheI might have to make a sacrifice to the Fridge gods for some chips and mayo!
14:04.30A4266lol
14:04.48omphedon't type dude, you'll get your keyboard greazy.
14:05.25ompheWe'll just imagine your shiny smiling face.  
14:05.29A4266not yet, I'm only eating the chips sofar and using 1 hand for eating :P
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14:09.42A4266now for the burger :D
14:10.46ompheThe dogs have just awakened.  Need to tend to the animals.
14:10.51ompheBRB
14:15.11A4266now that hit the spot :)
14:31.27ompheYou guys are a bad dietary influence.
14:31.35A4266lol
14:31.47ompheI'll have dined on coffee chips and mayo this afternoon.
14:31.51A4266well that was just breakfast }¬]
14:32.22ompheIn my drinking days, BK lounge soaked up alcohol better than anyone else.
14:32.53A4266cool, thats something to remember :)
14:57.52A4266why's that?
14:59.11ompheI can rebuild a Volkswagen, make web database applications, and cook fantastic food. But I can't make a lousy piece of toast without burning it.
14:59.21A4266lol
14:59.30ompheIt shouldn't be complicated.
14:59.48A4266use the oven grill then to toast ya bread :P It works a treat :P
15:00.20ompheActually it isn't.  Insert bread.  Push lever. Wait for smoke and pray that Prescott isn't provoking the fire brigade.
15:00.29A4266lol
15:01.06A4266other thing is to cheak the toast settings on the side :) Just make sure that it isn't set for to long :D
15:01.38A4266*check
15:01.47ompheAFAIK a setting of 2 shouldn't = charred.  
15:01.57ompheI hate to think what 8 will do.
15:02.03A4266lol
15:02.08ompheI'd better have some asbestos jam ready.
15:02.17A4266it might also be the bread you're using....
15:02.41A4266lol, cement jam is better. Easier to pick outa ya teeth
15:03.10omphenah mate, it's me.  I'm cursed wih some sort of bad toast gri-gri.
15:03.40A4266lol.I feel sorry for you!! I haven't burnt toast in years :D
15:04.28omphe}-(:¬ P
15:05.13A4266I gotta make tracks and head off home now. Cya a bit later
15:05.31ompheDone with work eh?  Later.
15:05.39A4266yup yup. Cya
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16:11.02omphehi zachary
16:11.16zacharygood afternoon(pre-evening)
16:11.22zacharyhi omphe
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16:15.46A4266Yo
16:15.52omphehome again home again jiggidy jig....good evening
16:15.57A4266lol
16:16.11A4266Hello Steph :P
16:16.13omphesorry, that's blade runner.
16:16.21A4266I know :P
16:16.38A4266and the guys name was steph/steff :P
16:17.23omphewhich guy?
16:17.58A4266the guy who disigned the little dwarves who did that jig :D
16:18.16omphenope, "goood evening Sebastian"
16:18.33A4266ohhh, ya. You're right!!
16:18.44A4266I haven't seen the movie in months
16:18.58A4266brb, ice cream :S
16:18.59ompheI'm watching a dog right now who runs into the wall like that.
16:19.01A4266*:D
16:20.04A4266lol
16:20.14A4266is it a puppy or something?
16:20.37ompheNo, 10 yrs and hair in the eyes.
16:20.52A4266ohhh. Shoot it!
16:21.08ompheBro, you gotta stop with the food suggestions.  I'm dyin for some B&G now.
16:21.19A4266lol
16:21.57A4266want to know what I had to eat when I got home? ;)
16:22.06ompheProbably not.
16:22.12A4266lol
16:22.34A4266probly make you go running for b&g  :D
16:24.25A4266ever heard of a game called One must fall?
16:25.52ompheno
16:26.18A4266good classic game :)
16:26.45A4266had robots fighting each other  like in tekken :D
16:28.02ompheknow anything about .htaccess files?
16:28.13eye69What about them?
16:28.33A4266sorry, I probly know less then you
16:29.02eye69omphe: You having problems?
16:29.06ompheI get a repeated user/pass prompt.  
16:29.18omphe.htpasswd outside public directory
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16:29.27omphepermissions 644
16:29.33omphewb Jenson
16:29.35A4266hey Jenson
16:29.44Jensonty
16:29.44Jensonheya
16:29.57eye69You have a line: <username>:<CRYPT PWD> in the .htpasswd?
16:30.02ompheJenson:atta girl!
16:30.06JensonI'm about to take my Winmodem out and donate it to my auntie
16:30.12ompheeye69: yeah
16:30.12A4266lol
16:30.19JensonOf course now I've gotta work out how to install it in linux
16:30.21eye69omphe: Anything in the error log?
16:30.33ompheeye69: one sec....
16:31.19A4266the fun part ;)
16:31.36JensonA4266: That's assuming it isn't an integrated card.
16:32.13A4266lol, ya
16:32.42zacharyJenson: make sure that the winmodem isn't grabbing the irq an i/o adress of the serial port.
16:32.43JensonI don't remember seeing a modem card when I cleaned the dust out
16:33.04omphethe logs were complaining about a missing file, but I've fixed that.
16:33.05A4266can ya still see a phone port on the back?
16:33.06Jensonzachary: It won't be if I take it out >:)
16:33.22JensonA4266: Yeah
16:33.25eye69omphe: What does your .htaccess file look like?
16:33.37zacharyJenson: You  still might have to disable the winmodem in bios.
16:33.39eye69Hiya zach
16:33.44zacharyhi eye69
16:33.53zacharyhow's things
16:33.55zachary?
16:33.59eye69Things are good.
16:34.05Jensonzachary: grrrrrrrr what fun, I was just gonna remove it from the hardware profile and take it from there
16:34.35JensonThe winmodem has IRQ 11 as far as I can remember
16:34.39ompheeye69: AuthType Basic AuthName "the SMITH quartet :: Web site preview area" AuthUserFile /smithquartet.com/.htpasswd Require user sq4qtet
16:35.49JensonHow do I get Linux to recognize a modem connected to COM1 I'm guessing it won't do it automatiocvally
16:36.05eye69omphe: You used htpasswd to create the password file?
16:36.12ompheeye69: yup
16:36.14A4266no, have you installed the drivers for it yet?
16:36.19eye69omphe: The htpasswd file can be anywhere though.
16:36.34eye69omphe: What does the log say when you try to access it?
16:37.00JensonA4266: Win drivers yeah, not booted into Linux to have llok yet
16:37.10JensonI added the modem just before I logged in
16:37.15A4266k
16:37.29eye69My .htaccess file is 644, and my htpasswd.users is also 644, but it's outside DocumentRoot
16:37.51A4266hehe
16:38.08A4266Damn, the Matrix Reloaded trailer looks good!!!
16:38.14JensonWell I'll BBL, got to investigate this Winmodem
16:38.26A4266k
16:38.27A4266byee
16:38.31Jensoncya
16:38.34eye69omphe: Have you added "AllowOverride AuthConfig" for the dir in the Apache config?
16:39.27ompheeye69: not my server.  I'm trying this at a distance.
16:39.45eye69omphe: You need it.
16:39.58ompheeye69: hosting account with ukfsn.  Jason's prolly got it disallowed.
16:40.16ompheI'll just swing it with php/mysql instead. Just wanted to try this first.
16:40.26eye69omphe: Yeah. You'll have to ask him to add it.
16:40.56ompheeye69: I can do php/mysql myself.  He's busy enough.
16:41.21ompheeye69: better learning experience anyway
16:41.41eye69We've just moved most of our site over to our own authentication system. One problem with that is that the usernames don't get logged in the weblog.
16:42.36ompheThis is just a preview area for the client.  As I was using Basic authentication, I'm obviously not too worried re. security.
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17:04.03A4266lol, weldone Jenson :D
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17:04.08A4266*well
17:04.14ompheget that thing off your desk
17:04.20omphehey formi
17:04.28Jensonhey formi
17:04.34formihello
17:04.51JensonI was about to go look for and print a how-to on modems, but I havent got the fucking printer connected
17:05.40formidon't waste paper
17:05.56Jensonty omphe :)
17:07.32JensonDoes everyone else always manage to cut themselves on their computers?
17:08.04ompheNo but I often concuss myself on the monitor or keyboard.
17:08.51A4266hmmm. I haven't done any of those yet :(
17:09.16A4266I get lots of paper cuts from the manuals though....
17:09.26formiJenson some of us are not glued to them
17:10.01JensonI'm not glued to my computer.
17:10.15A4266I seem to work on the hardware that likes to get electrocuded....
17:11.10A4266I've seen 1 mb, 1 psu and 1 hd litratraly go up in smoke
17:11.19A4266and thats in 3 months
17:11.35Jensonoopsie lol
17:11.40formiA4266: you should consider a career as a magician
17:11.44JensonWell I'm going to log off again
17:11.45A4266lol
17:12.02A4266would be interesting :P
17:13.05A4266especialy the tricks that require an audiance member }¬>
17:13.25ompheor a sparkly assistant?
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17:14.22A4266noo, wouldn't put the sparkly assistant at risk. I'd keep her safe in my bed instead :P ;)
17:16.22zacharyformi: Went back to the computer fair on cleveland. They had a few of the hp vectras. Same price, but with 10/100 nic.
17:16.40formidid you buy one?
17:16.45zacharyyes
17:17.05formiany heavy handed manners at home?
17:17.07zacharyWent home first( had to go through the finance comittee).
17:17.14zacharyaka, my wife.
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17:17.45zacharyA whole lot cleaner than the others.
17:18.10formihave you started playing with it?
17:18.24formihave you knoppix-ed it?
17:18.29formihey Axel
17:18.45zacharyno, need to put in a hard drive and the extra memory. Which is in my daughters room, she's taking a nap.
17:19.00zacharyThe fustration. New toy and I can't play with it.
17:19.30formiwhat are you gonna put on it?
17:20.09zacharyThinking stat with mandrake9.0 see if the acatel modem will work. then I might give debian a try.
17:20.49Axelhi ho
17:21.25zacharyevening Axel
17:21.33omphehey axel
17:21.54Axel=)
17:22.01zacharyformi: cleaned it up a little. Took the fricken win nt sticker off.
17:22.26A4266I'm off to play games. cya all later
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17:23.33zacharybrb, daughter is awake
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17:25.43ompheNeed to work a bit. Thanks for the help eye69.
17:25.55zimmhey omphe
17:26.04omphehiya zimm
17:26.16ompheSee you all later.
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17:59.11Jensonhey stephen
18:00.09stephenhey jenson
18:00.48Stephenreally? well done
18:00.55BorgBabyhey - you did it!
18:01.04Jenson:)
18:01.12JensonI hate this client
18:01.21Stephenwhich one?
18:01.21JensonI can't work out how to close extra tabs
18:01.25JensonKSirc
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18:01.45BorgBabyyuk - it's ugly.  use xchat
18:01.48Jensonhey zimm
18:01.55zimmhey Jenson
18:01.59JensonYeah BorgBaby XChat deosnt run in KDE does it
18:02.06zimm?
18:02.07Jensonzimm: version check me :P
18:02.19zimmsirc ?
18:02.20BorgBabyyeah, it will
18:02.21zimmewww
18:02.26Jensonyeah ie not windows though
18:02.28zimmJenson: yeh it will
18:02.58zimmhehe
18:03.23JensonI love Xchat, just dunno how to run it in KDE
18:03.28zimmxchat 1.9.8 rox0rs
18:03.28Jensonif someone would enlighten me
18:03.34zimmJenson:  just run it ..
18:03.47zimmright click , run command , type xchat
18:04.12BorgBabywindow manager makes no difference
18:04.16Stephenzimm: except my copy always crashes when I try and load a perl script, perhaps it's a buggy build or something
18:04.35zimmStephen: they changed the ui code , you need all new scripts ..
18:04.38JensonI'm just gonna log out of root
18:04.39JensonBBS
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18:05.48zimmStephen: xchat 2.0.0pre1 is out now .. but i havent built it yet
18:06.31Stephenzimm: perhaps i'll have to get that, so far i've just stuck with what came with slack, but perhaps i'll build my own copy in the near future
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18:15.37zimm:)
18:15.56JensonI did
18:16.01JensonIs that clever?
18:16.11zimmive never managed it ..
18:16.16Stephensupposed to be a intimidating
18:16.24Stephen+bit
18:16.37Jensonaww zimm I'll help you :P
18:16.47JensonThis is a terrible font
18:17.06Jensonzimm: I have 2, except 1 I think is a Winmodem
18:17.34JensonMother needs phone
18:17.35JensonBRB
18:18.27Stephenzimm: why?
18:22.39zimmcos i have to move this week .
18:23.05zimmso depending on where i end up , i may or may not have net access
18:23.38Stephenoh, you on cable/ADSL or something?
18:24.08zimmgot 128k cable at the mo .
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18:24.28zimmwb Jenson
18:24.30Stephenzimm: oh well, i suppose you could always go to dial-up for a time
18:24.46zimmStephen: lol , i have no modem , just a pile of nics
18:24.48Jensonty zimm
18:25.33Stephenzimm: yeah, i have the same problem, i've never even had a modem in one of my linux machines
18:26.07Stepheni'll probably have to get a modem next year when i move out of halls
18:26.29zimmhehe Stephen, lol , i found out i can host a site on my uni's webmail-server :-) >> janet  !!! lol
18:26.32Stephenunless whoever i get a house decide to split the cost of ADSL or cable
18:26.52Stephenzimm: cool
18:27.10Jensonyeah warez!
18:27.26JensonHow do I add XChat to the KDE menus?
18:27.32zimmwarez r0x0rz d00dz
18:27.39JensonI've learnt loads about Linux today
18:27.41zimmJenson: use kmenuedit
18:27.54zimmor kappfinder
18:30.51JensonYay I did that
18:32.22zimmwhat spec is the box you are using Jenson ?
18:32.50Jenson700MHZ 128MBSDRAM  20GB HDD
18:33.02zimmPentium3
18:33.03zimm?
18:33.07JensonI think so
18:33.13Jensonyeah
18:33.43zimmbrb , new xchat to try
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18:34.20Jensonwb zimm
18:34.23zimm:-)
18:35.07JensonI'm trying to work out how to change this irritating font now
18:35.23JensonI prefer Linux XChat to Win XChat I think.
18:35.24zacharybbl, going to work on my puter. :)
18:35.37zacharyJenson: using linux now?
18:35.47Jenson_DinnerI am zachary
18:35.53zacharyCongrats
18:42.13zimmhmm , think i'll rebuild without xft ..
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18:47.40Jensonwb zimm
18:47.51zimm:)
18:48.05JensonYou're in a smiley mood today :P
18:48.17zimmeewww, they made a hideous gui error with xchat2
18:48.25zimmthe ext input box is black !
18:48.33zimmand the title bar
18:48.54JensonDoes KDE have a IM client compatible with MSN
18:49.00Jensonibot lart XChat2
18:49.01zimmgaim ? kopete ?
18:49.29highburyJenson: I use gaim for MSN/ICQ works well
18:49.37Jensoncool highbury
18:49.44JensonSee my mate uses MSN, and irc confuses her
18:50.36formihighbury: I have tried to use gaim but it doesn't run on my system
18:50.46JensonHow do you configure it for MSN then?
18:50.56formiit blurps something like gnome panel not found
18:51.25highburywhat distro you using formi?
18:51.35formii compiled it without gnome support and still asks for gnome
18:51.44formifreebsd
18:52.22formibut that shouldn't be an issue, it compiles cleaningly
18:52.25highburyJenson: fire up gaim, Tools->Plugins, ensure libmsn is loaded
18:52.26StephenJenson: just make sure you load the libmsn.o (or whatever it's called) modules
18:52.50highburyformi: sounds like a library issue,
18:53.21highburyI also load "spellchk" plugin
18:54.10formihighbury: shouldn't be, you shouldn't be able to compile witout the libraries,
18:54.22highburyThen Tools->Accounts, then add an account, with appropriate protocol
18:54.56formihighbury: when installing it does check to see if all dependancies are met
18:55.50highburyformi: gaim, is quite active on Sourceforge, so you could try asking.
18:55.55formiwhat i don't understand is why when i compiled without gnome support it still complains
18:56.23highburyformi: its all just software, therefore prone to errors
18:57.28formii will give it another try sometime
18:57.47highburyformi: have you tried precompiled version?
18:57.57forminope
18:58.52highburyIts weird over the years of using Linux, I've moved from using sources to using binaries
18:59.21formihighbury: freebsd is another world in that respect
18:59.38zimmthen it all became too much effort for too little gain
18:59.52eye69I don't use sources unless I have to. The Debian packages mostly are of very good quality.
18:59.54highburyyep, when Gentoo 1.4 finally goes final, perhaps I will again
19:00.38highburyemphasis on *mostly* eh eye69
19:01.29formiit's a nice passive os fingerprinting proggy
19:01.52eye69highbury: Bah. :)
19:02.36Jensongrrr, I need a popup killer for KDE Moz
19:03.05zimmJenson: what version of kde do you have ?
19:03.14Jenson3.0 I think
19:03.28formihttp://www.stearns.org/p0f/
19:04.08zimmyou dont have tabbed browsing in konq ?
19:04.28JensonI'm not gonna try out Konqueror
19:04.34JensonI'm just learning zimm :)
19:05.25zimmkonqueror is lovely :-)
19:05.34JensonI should be configuring my printer but nevermind
19:05.36zimmwell , it is in 3.1
19:05.48zimmtabs , loada in under a second ,, mmm
19:06.08JensonAnd I need to configre my mailer too
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19:11.50zimmmuahahah
19:11.55zimmsorted it !
19:13.01Jensonlol well done zimm
19:13.14zimm:)
19:14.11JensonI'm now sorting my mailer
19:14.27JensonThen I oughta sort my printer
19:14.42JensonMy parents will kill me for having not got Win working properly or installing MS Office, they'll just have to use Slack
19:15.21zimmlol
19:16.27Jensonlol higq
19:16.29Jensonhighbury:
19:16.34JensonDamn cant type today
19:17.00formi_brb<PROTECTED>
19:18.17formiand not by a female
19:19.06highburyp0f could do with a web page
19:19.53highburyor perhaps a better designed one at least
19:20.33highburyalmost finished downloading freebsd 5.0 .iso's
19:20.48formihighbury: is not that difficult to use
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19:21.00highburyis it possible to install from .iso images, without a burner?
19:21.20formiloop the iso's and do a network install
19:21.53formior copy the whole lot
19:22.15highburywhat if I only have one machine? is it possible to create boot floppy and install then from the iso images?
19:23.11JensonThe Evolution mailer is so much nicer than OE
19:23.39StephenJenson: Evolution would never work for me under slack
19:23.54JensonStephen: Well it seems to be
19:23.54Stephenso you're obviously doing better than me
19:24.03formihighbury: can't you burn them?
19:24.03JensonI didn't understand KMail lol
19:24.20highburyI don't have a burner anymore :-(
19:24.36Stephenhighbury: that sucks :(
19:24.59formican't you do a inter'net' install?
19:25.12zimmcant you just mount the iso on a hd partition and treat it like a cd . ?
19:25.18Stephentbh it was one of the first things i got when i went to uni, just in case my disk died
19:25.45Stephenyou can probably mount iso images during install
19:25.50JensonI ought to put the case back on this Pc now, I don't need to put my winmodem back in.
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19:27.49formihighbury: are you talking about fb?
19:29.15highburyhmm, CHECKSUM.MD5 isn't normal format
19:29.50formiwhat?
19:30.02JensonWell, this computer is giving me a headache
19:30.07formihave you been drinking?
19:30.14JensonNope
19:30.20Stephenand if not, why not?
19:30.40formiI mean highbury
19:30.44Jensonlol ok
19:30.51JensonI'll see you all later then
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19:33.27formiMD5 (5.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso) = 677bf7566f8845cc46549aa167940042
19:33.27formiMD5 (5.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso) = e903b890272bde55e34eb81fe11ff80f
19:33.27formiMD5 (5.0-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso) = 78aaff39c326b4f781820f1dd2340061
19:33.52formihighbury: that is what you should have in your checksum.md5
19:34.03highburynormally it would look like
19:34.04highbury677bf7566f8845cc46549aa167940042  5.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
19:34.30highburyso that I could say "md5sum --check CHEKSUM.MD5"
19:34.55highburybut I presume, freebsd has different command
19:35.04formii usually just do md5sum *.iso and then compare
19:36.17highburymy way is slightly safer :-)
19:36.39formimy eyes can still see
19:36.44murbhi formi
19:36.50formihi murb
19:36.56murbformi: huhn was disapointed that you didn't turn up
19:37.02formigot your tshirt?
19:37.16highburyalthough its unlikely that only one character of the checksum is different, it is possible
19:38.03formimurb: not wondering, such a lovely fella like me
19:38.27murbdank waves
19:38.31formimurb: say hello to her from me
19:39.02murbtaragon says fuck off though, whichi sslighly less police
19:39.08formihi dank
19:39.10murbs/police/polite/
19:39.36formitell tarragon to watch what he drinks
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19:42.25Davilionibot: seen jenson
19:42.29jenson <1000@dial81-131-41-73.in-addr.btopenworld.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 11m 38s ago, saying: 'I'll see you all later then'.
19:42.29Davilionwonder if she got back online
19:49.22Davilionhmm, did any fosdemers end up on the dodgy euro* or did they make it ok?
19:50.55StephenDavilion: i think the dodgy one was bound for Paris, so they probably weren't on it
19:56.42zimmbrb
19:57.11Davilionahh, i just heard borked eurostar, havent actually heard the details yet
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20:00.04zimmsweet
20:00.58zimmhttp://zimm.fudo.org/Files/linux_files/xchat_2.0.0pre1-1_i386.deb   < for sid
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20:41.22Etherhi
20:41.31zimm:)
20:41.42Etherhehe
20:41.53Etheranyone here going to the 'install fest'?
20:42.09Etherokey cokey
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20:48.11Etherhehe
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20:52.11zimmwb Ether
20:52.19Etherty
20:54.04Etherzimm? do you happen to know of a utility for unzipping .uz files?
20:54.16Etherive looked and cant find one.
20:54.22Etherapart from UNreal 2003
20:54.25Ether:-)
20:54.40zimmno idea im afraid .
20:54.49Etherbugger
20:55.09Etherah well
21:06.06zimm:(
21:06.10zimmsorry man ,.
21:10.37Etherheeh not your fault.
21:10.59Etherive posted a fer begging letters on som elikely boards so i may get lucky
21:11.05Ether*few
21:11.32zimm:)
21:11.49Etheryes#
21:12.12Ethersorry for spelling. the wine is getting to my fingers :-0
21:13.53zimm:)
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21:21.02Jensonheya
21:21.09Stephenwb jenson
21:21.15Jensonty Stephen
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21:21.50Jensonwb Ether
21:21.57Etherlol ty
21:22.00Ether:)
21:22.13Etherand hi
21:22.16Jensonhey
21:24.24JensonI really oughta put the case back on the PC, coz if I kick the bassbooster then the modem and wireless thing will go flying into the soundcard.
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21:24.54zacharyevening
21:25.16Etherhi
21:25.30Jensonwb zachary
21:26.26zacharydidn't get to play. Made dinner instead. (Cajun BBQ pork ribs.) :)
21:26.36Jensonaww, go play now :P
21:27.44zacharyCan't really, too tired. And I think I'm going to get a kvm switch.
21:28.07Etheri got a kvm, never looked back
21:28.23JensonI should be installing the printer, but I'm sleepy
21:28.44Stephenzachary: yeah, they're pretty nice
21:28.54Etherindeed
21:30.28zacharyI've been looking at a "Cables To GO" 4-port.
21:30.54zachary40quid with 3quid rebate.
21:31.06Ethernot seen that, but the D-link DKVM-4 i have is very good. no external psu needed
21:31.15Etherits a bit more than £40 tho :-(
21:31.25Jensons/of/on
21:31.40Stephenzachary: FYI i've got a belkin 2 port that cost me like £90 18 months, it's quite nice as it uses standard VGA and PS/2 ports
21:31.42JensonIs Ether new or a regular hiding in disguise?
21:31.51Etherim new as nasty wine
21:32.07Etherhi all. should i introduce myself?
21:32.18Jensonyeah
21:32.23Ethersorry
21:32.24zacharythat's pretty new I take it your a burgandy(sp)
21:32.39Etheri DREAMof being a burgundy
21:33.12EtherIm Ether, im in London, new to linux but a win2k sys admin
21:33.36JensonI'm Jenson, resident geek girl (or learning at least)
21:33.49Etherhehe geek = good
21:33.59JensonI'm dating dankolb but he isn't here tonight
21:34.04JensonHe's at FOSDEM
21:34.16Jensonibot dankolb
21:34.16i heard dankolb is not a bot, or hates BTinternet, or a horse, or has a FreeBSD fetish
21:34.26Etherlol
21:34.30Jensonibot Ether
21:34.31Jenson: I give up, what is it?
21:34.47Jensonibot Ether is a Win2K sys admin new to Linux
21:34.48okay, Jenson
21:35.12Etherzachary has previously caused me mental damage
21:35.27zacharyWhat, who me! :)
21:35.35Etherhehe yes you :)
21:35.49Jensonzachary is just a silly american linux guy :P
21:35.56Etheryou tried to talk me through alcatel usb setup
21:36.19zacharyhow did it work?
21:36.39Etherwell it works. but seems to reset itself at will
21:36.42zacharySorry if I caused any confusion
21:36.49Ethernah was not you
21:36.54Etherwas mandrake bugs!
21:37.03zacharyWeird.
21:37.03Etheryou helped man
21:37.12JensonTalking of confusion, does anyone know how to set 'halt' and 'reboot privileges to user?
21:37.19Ethersorry no
21:37.20zacharyok, it's nice to know I was at least somewhat useful
21:37.21JensonEther: Which distro you using now?
21:37.29Ethermandrake 9.0 still
21:37.33Jensoncool
21:37.41Etheryeah i like it
21:37.46JensonI keep meaning to try Mandrake
21:37.54Etheri got my radeon 9700pro working now too :)
21:38.06Etheryou should. they need people to buy it :(
21:38.22Etheri sidestepped the speedtouch problem btw
21:38.26stephenno, don't do it, spend your money on slackware T-Shirts :)
21:38.34Etherlol
21:38.37Jensonstephen: Good idea!
21:38.54Etherim using smoothwall on an old pc. sweet
21:39.16Etherworks great with the speedtouch
21:39.49stephenJenson: giving users sudo access to shutdown will probably work
21:40.00zacharyJenson: You can pick up some Mandrake disks at install fest. Get Dan in an uproar.
21:40.15Jensonzachary: I intend to pick up either Knoppix or Debian
21:40.18highburyzachary: the Belkin Soho kvm switches are pretty cool, you can switch audio also, they do a 2 and 4 port version, but you have to shop around
21:40.35Jensonstephen: And how do I do that?
21:40.46zacharythank highbury.
21:41.01stephenJenson: ask dan when he comes back :)
21:41.10highburyJenson: it depends whether you have "sudo" installed, firstly
21:41.38stephenwell actually, install sudo off the cd and then find a half-decent sudo HOWTO
21:41.52highburywww.courtesan.com/sudo
21:42.49highburyhowever using <alt>-<fn> to a console screen, then typying <ctr><alt><del> works just as well
21:43.02JensonTrue
21:43.14highburythought probably should log out of x-windows first is better
21:43.31highburyJenson: if you type "sudo" what does it say?
21:43.38stephenyeah, but you should be able to CTRL+ALT+DEL out of x
21:43.51JensonI just CBA to reboot into Win everytime I stop using the PC just coz my parents *might* want it
21:44.01JensonI'll teach them how to do it
21:44.07highburystephen: no. its <ctrl>+<alt>+<back-space>
21:44.48highburyJenson: so you gave your granny your old machine then?
21:45.08stephenhighbury: yeah, that kills X, but under E (and gnome I seem to remember), CTRL+ALT+DEL brings up a logout box which you can just hit enter to exit x
21:45.16zacharyhighbury: Have you tried the boot disk?
21:45.17stephenperhaps KDE does it too
21:45.52highburyyep stephen, it does too. never noticed before
21:46.30highbury<ctrl>+<alt>+<back-space> is the traditional old-fashioned way to do it
21:46.38highburyzachary: not yet
21:47.17highburyJenson: just create a crontab entry to reboot machine at 3am :-)
21:47.46Jensonfor Winchester
21:48.22JensonDoes Linux have automatic firewall like XP? I'm thinking about firewalls, on account of I'd never run Win without one
21:48.33highburyahh, the actual key sequences we've been talking about, can all be remapped to other things
21:48.35JensonAnd I dont have a network to set up a seprerate box
21:49.11highburyJenson: remember we told you to keep your old pc, and we'd help you set it up....
21:49.35highburyyep Linux has firewall stuff built into kernel
21:49.45JensonIf I get my arse in gear and attempt to get a job, I'd actually be able to afford a network
21:50.01highburyand plenty of distros have pretty fron-ends to configure them
21:50.45highburywin-xp firewall is considered a bit of a joke, your far better off with ZoneAlarm
21:50.59JensonI used to use zonealarm
21:51.02JensonI use outpost now
21:51.07JensonAnd I dont use XP
21:51.08highburybut best of all is to have a didicated firewall/router box
21:51.27highburyoutpost?
21:51.35JensonI'm getting a draft on my legs from the comouter, need to put the case on.
21:51.43JensonI found it on cnet or somewhere
21:51.46JensonBlocks ads and stuff
21:52.46Etherbye all
21:52.46JensonI really love this whole switching between desktops thing. So much easier to have a few programs in each than everything in one
21:52.49Jensonbye Ether
21:53.27highburysetting up a home network is trivial. Network cards cost about £9 each, an 8-port hub £50, cables £20.
21:53.46JensonYeah, and I have £10 right now :)
21:54.07stephenhighbury: i bet you can get a network start kit for less than that
21:54.25highburyconvind your parents its a wise investment, you could all share printers and internet access
21:54.33stephenthat's what i did
21:55.05Jensonhighbury: My parents don't use the internet, and my mother has her own laptop, which she's just been given a brand new printer for
21:55.09highburystephen: probably, but I'm quoting maximum figures for 100Mbit network
21:55.15JensonAnd my dad uses the computer aboput once a month
21:55.31stephenhighbury: i see
21:56.02highburyso whyc are you always complaining about being kicked off the Internet Jenson
21:56.31highburyan 8 port hub might be a slight extravagance
21:56.51Jensonhighbury: We have one fucking phoneline!
21:57.08JensonI want ADSL, but then the whole needing a job thing reoccurs
21:57.32highburyhighbury: that what we've been saying, one computer connects to the internet, the others share connection. No moving of phone line
21:58.17highburyof course *some* adsl modems do a have ass job of providing sharing
21:58.25JensonI only have 2 computers (well my mother has a laptop but she doesnt really let me near it)
21:58.45JensonI don't need my other comnputer anymore, I didnt use it anyway, just had it to install Slack on
21:59.43highburyso leave one computer in Linux running firewall and dialup, add network card that and the other desktop. You mothers laptop probably already has a network connection
22:00.15JensonThe laptop has an integrated card AFAIK
22:00.39highburyconvert your spare computer to Smoothwall then! It provides a simple firewall solution, with internet sharing and DHCP
22:00.53Jenson:) Maybe I will at some point
22:01.22highburyand its another distro for you to try out! :-)
22:01.38JensonI've got to install FreeBSD on here aswell
22:02.05highburymisplaced trust can be dangerous
22:02.17JensonTrue highbury
22:02.21JensonAs Dan will tell you
22:04.55JensonWhy is it so quiet tonight, even the people who aren't at fosdem don't seem to be here.
22:05.25highbury... and its saturday night with bugger all on TV
22:05.32Jensonyeah
22:05.42JensonMaybe they've got social lives?
22:07.30highburysitting with partners watching Thomas Crown Affair
22:08.33zacharyhighbury: TCA with Pierce Bronson or the original?
22:08.38highburyJenson: So why do you talk about trying so many different distros, but hardly seem to actually use Linux?
22:09.06highburyzachary: Pierse brother of Cahrles
22:09.16highburyCharles Bronson that is
22:10.09highburyyou need to stick with one distro longer, perhaps
22:12.08Jensonhighbury: I never used Linux coz I had no internet xonnection on it
22:12.11Jensonbut now I did
22:12.20JensonI do even
22:12.37JensonI don't intend to change distro I'm just ralking aboutn ones I intended to use
22:12.58highburywell done, it can be difficult to initially connect
22:13.27Jensonhighbury: The problem was my dad kept refusing to extend the phone lines like he said he would
22:13.48JensonAnd my mother wouldnt let me format this machine coz she always wanted it
22:13.57JensonThen she got her laptop so I've kinda taken this over
22:14.06JensonDidn't your ISP do 2hr d/c
22:14.11highburythat's cool
22:14.51highburynope, they happily let me stay connected for 2 days, so BT billed me for £30 just for that connection!
22:15.32JensonOh, fun
22:15.48JensonThat happened to a mate in a 24hr connection when her modem got killed by lightening
22:18.10highburyshe was lucky it was only the modem! Usually the whole computer + phone extensions that get killed
22:18.39JensonI'm not sure what happened, but I seem to remember it blew out half the back of the computer
22:18.40highburyand I did hear once in America of somebody who got killed that way!
22:18.44JensonI never actually saw it.
22:29.30highburyyour message said you were back gone 20 mins, when it was actually a few seconds less that 10 minutes
22:30.16JensonWell, I was kinda talking whilst I was away :)
22:32.10highburyI wonder, all this technology which make super powerfull and quiet computer fans.... could that be applied to extractor fans for houses?
22:32.43Jensonhighbury: That would defeat the object of having fans that irritate you when you try to have a bath :)
22:33.41highburyexactly!
22:33.49JensonWhere do files downloaded from Konqueror go?
22:34.27zimm/home/~user/ ?
22:34.36JensonNot that I could see
22:34.56highbury~/Documents
22:35.01zimmit should ask when you start dloading ,
22:35.21highburytrue
22:35.37JensonIt didnt
22:35.43JensonAnd I nearly crashed X then
22:36.20JensonNot that it matter, as I have no idea how to extract/install files in Linux
22:36.33highburyLOL
22:36.41zimmwhat are yoiu trying to do Jenson ?
22:37.06Jensonzimm: Nothing actually, I think I had too much shit loaded
22:37.20zimmok np
22:37.34JensonI crash Win like that on a regular basis
22:37.51zimmmm , linux shoulnt crash thoulgh
22:38.14JensonI've only properly crashed X once since Novemeber :)
22:38.38zimmhehe , ok , well thats better than me lol ..
22:38.48highburyX can sometimes be unstable
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22:39.42highburymostly I've found problems if I set the screensaver to random mode. Some of the choices caused problems, so now I stick to ones which don't cause problems
22:39.42Jensonhey new2unix
22:39.51new2unixhi all
22:40.00zimmhey new2unix
22:40.15new2unixmissed much?
22:40.39Jensonnope
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22:40.53new2unixwoops
22:41.01new2unixhow did i do that?
22:41.15JensonClose button?
22:41.19new2unixhaha
22:41.48Jensonnew2unix: Don't worry I've just d/led a file and I have no idea where its saved it
22:42.13new2unixam on ebay in search of "Unix System Administration Handbook".  Anybody got a copy to sell/give away?
22:44.55highburyJenson: find / -mtime -1 -ls
22:46.03JensonLovely, that's nearly all on thw Win partition
22:47.29highburyJenson: find / -xdev -mtime -1 -ls
22:48.28new2unixok. the first set of commands i understood.   but this one looks kinda odd.  what does -xdev mean?
22:48.50highburyJenson: find / -xdev -cmin -60 -ls
22:49.17new2unix'man find' ?
22:49.24highbury-xdev means stay on the partition specified, ie. don't stray onto other mounted stuff
22:49.46new2unixcool.
22:49.58JensonThat's a good one to know
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22:54.09Jenson:)
22:58.34JensonA am I zimm
22:58.40Jensons/A/As
22:58.48zimm:)
23:00.17new2unixnight all.
23:00.32Jensonnight new2unix
23:00.44zimmlaters new2unix
23:13.48JensonAh, well, time for some sleep
23:13.53JensonSee you guys tomorrow
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23:23.30zimm<PROTECTED>
23:24.13BorgBaby?
23:24.26zimmname that ch00n
23:24.49stephenwell, it doesn't sound like a beatles song to me...
23:24.54BorgBabycan't say i know it
23:25.25zimmOn the Turning away , from Momentary lapse of reason  -- Pink Floyd
23:25.58zimmit was actually pasted into the wrong window , but it made a nice little spot pop trivia quiz for ya ..
23:26.16BorgBaby;)
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23:39.46zacharyi'm off to bed, goodnight.
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23:44.21formiim back
23:44.24zimmhey formi
23:44.31formihold your pants
23:46.38formithat was in case i was sounding too lovely
23:47.16highburyre
23:47.48formihighbury did you manage to install freebsd?
23:48.56zimmlaters
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