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| 00:21.53 | zimm | hi new2unix |
| 00:22.04 | new2unix | hello. just got in |
| 00:22.22 | new2unix | how is everyone? |
| 00:22.35 | dankolb | Tired |
| 00:23.03 | new2unix | spending hours on irc can take its toll. i know the feeling. |
| 00:23.11 | omphe | Frustrated and tired, but going to Barthelona tomorrow, so not bad! |
| 00:23.25 | omphe | Yourself? |
| 00:23.57 | new2unix | a little pissed. but at least i can make out the keys on this keyboard. :) |
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| 00:38.40 | omphe | I'm off to test a new site from my M$ partition. Yuck. |
| 00:38.53 | omphe | Night to the rest of the insomniacs. |
| 00:38.55 | new2unix | good luck |
| 00:39.36 | new2unix | night all |
| 00:46.13 | dankolb | 'night all |
| 01:01.40 | HuhnZzZ | NN |
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| 01:22.50 | murb | hmm so nobody hardly went to lonix |
| 01:23.00 | zimm | lonix ? |
| 01:25.22 | murb | yes |
| 01:25.25 | murb | it was yesterday evening |
| 01:25.30 | zimm | ahh .. |
| 01:25.43 | zimm | no , well as you can probably guess , i didnt go |
| 01:26.19 | SpudUAway | murb: You mean hardly anyone from #gllug or hardly anyone at all? |
| 01:33.16 | murb | both |
| 01:34.35 | SpudUAway | It sounded like a really interesting talk, but then, what do I know. |
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| 01:36.30 | murb | it was a bit intersting |
| 01:38.14 | SpudUAway | Cool, so long as it wasn't a totally wasted evening. |
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| 08:56.45 | highbury | morning |
| 08:56.57 | resuDaed_ssh | morning |
| 08:57.26 | resuDaed_ssh | highbury : how do you perform an operation on all files in a directory, but not the subdirectories (ie when using *) |
| 08:58.19 | Leeds | for i in * ; do if [ -f $i ] ; then do something to $i ; fi ; done |
| 08:58.22 | Leeds | or something like that |
| 08:58.41 | zachary | morning |
| 08:59.29 | Leeds | hi |
| 09:00.22 | resuDaed_ssh | it doesn't like 'if' |
| 09:00.30 | Leeds | what doesn't? |
| 09:00.31 | resuDaed_ssh | s/if/fi |
| 09:00.34 | resuDaed_ssh | bash |
| 09:01.11 | Leeds | if you just do "for i in * ; do if [ -f $i ] ; then echo $i ; fi ; done" what happens? |
| 09:02.07 | SpudUAway | Leeds, when are you going to do your Bash talk again? This installfest??? |
| 09:02.10 | resuDaed_ssh | syntax error near unexptected toekn `fi' |
| 09:02.34 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: that's very strange |
| 09:03.07 | resuDaed_ssh | for i in * ; do if [ -f $i ] ; echo $i ; fi ; done |
| 09:03.23 | resuDaed_ssh | ah, I missed the `then' |
| 09:03.28 | Leeds | doh! |
| 09:03.35 | resuDaed_ssh | my thoughts exactly |
| 09:03.38 | Leeds | SpudUAway: wasn't particularly planning on doing it this time... |
| 09:03.54 | SpudUAway | But you will still do it? |
| 09:04.01 | Leeds | I can do it anytime :-) |
| 09:04.18 | Leeds | I should really go through and correct the bugs in the slides first... |
| 09:04.29 | resuDaed_ssh | although it returns nothing but a new line |
| 09:05.00 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: you'll need "" around the $i in the if statement if you've got filenames with spaces in |
| 09:05.18 | Leeds | what exactly are you entering? |
| 09:05.44 | resuDaed_ssh | slack/usr# for i in * ; do if [ -f $i ] ; then du -sch $i ; fi ; done |
| 09:06.01 | Leeds | there's still no then in there :-) |
| 09:06.22 | resuDaed_ssh | yes there is, `then du -sch ...' |
| 09:06.25 | Leeds | and make sure the filter is working first, by using echo - then put the 'payload' in |
| 09:06.41 | Leeds | so let me ask you again - what *exactly* are you entering? |
| 09:07.14 | resuDaed_ssh | I am entering ... slack/usr# for i in * ; do if [ -f $i ] ; then du -sch $i ; fi ; done |
| 09:07.27 | Leeds | in which case there's no then in that line! |
| 09:08.06 | Leeds | okay... |
| 09:08.09 | Leeds | I'm half asleep |
| 09:08.11 | Leeds | sorry |
| 09:08.31 | Leeds | do it with the echo first to make sure it's picking up the right list of stuff |
| 09:09.04 | SpudUAway | You are calling the script while in a directory that has files in it, aren't you, resuDaed? |
| 09:09.10 | resuDaed_ssh | no difference, but there is a `then' |
| 09:09.11 | resuDaed_ssh | for i in * ; do if [ -f $i ] ; then echo $i ; fi ; |
| 09:09.35 | Leeds | and what does "ls -F" give you in that directory |
| 09:09.44 | resuDaed_ssh | didn't mean to paste the last post :-) |
| 09:10.14 | resuDaed_ssh | the directory contents, it is a cut down version of /usr |
| 09:10.32 | Leeds | does it have any files in it? |
| 09:10.39 | resuDaed_ssh | yes, many files |
| 09:10.42 | Leeds | my /usr doesn't |
| 09:10.52 | Leeds | do you mean that you want to recurse through all the sub-directories? |
| 09:10.58 | Leeds | you didn't say that... |
| 09:11.35 | resuDaed_ssh | yes, I see the mis-communication now ... I want to parse only the subdirectorys in that level (ie /usr/*/) |
| 09:11.42 | Leeds | in which case... |
| 09:11.47 | Leeds | find . -type f |
| 09:13.13 | resuDaed_ssh | I want to run `du -sch' on the only the subdirectories of that level, not their sub directories also |
| 09:13.44 | resuDaed_ssh | (the directories in usr, but not recursive) |
| 09:14.08 | Leeds | what? |
| 09:14.13 | Leeds | try some pseudo-code... |
| 09:15.22 | resuDaed_ssh | du -sch will return the sizes of each directory (including sub directories), but I don't want to see the results of the subdirectories also |
| 09:16.16 | Leeds | doesn't -S do what you want? |
| 09:17.07 | resuDaed_ssh | no because it runs recursivly |
| 09:17.09 | dank_work | Morning |
| 09:17.16 | resuDaed_ssh | morning dank_work |
| 09:17.45 | Tarragon | Morning |
| 09:18.33 | Leeds | I'd probably do it by hand... |
| 09:19.09 | resuDaed_ssh | basically I am trying to get an entire distro down to under 32MB |
| 09:19.27 | Leeds | how about familiar... |
| 09:19.54 | Leeds | since I'm in the middle of installing it :-) |
| 09:21.06 | resuDaed_ssh | URI? |
| 09:21.33 | resuDaed_ssh | it needs to run on a 386/4MB |
| 09:22.13 | Leeds | uh... |
| 09:22.19 | Leeds | it's the iPAQ distro... |
| 09:22.34 | Leeds | best bet for something that old is probably something like slackware 3 |
| 09:22.53 | Leeds | or minix... |
| 09:22.55 | resuDaed_ssh | this is slack, but I just need to find out what is taking space |
| 09:23.09 | Leeds | you have rm -rf /usr/doc, right? |
| 09:23.13 | resuDaed_ssh | yes |
| 09:23.17 | resuDaed_ssh | and usr/man |
| 09:23.20 | Leeds | and /usr/man and most of /usr/share |
| 09:23.28 | highbury | du -sch */* |
| 09:24.04 | resuDaed_ssh | doh!!! du -sch */ :-) |
| 09:24.09 | resuDaed_ssh | now I feel stupid |
| 09:24.36 | resuDaed_ssh | ah well, streched your brain muscules anyway |
| 09:24.38 | resuDaed_ssh | g2g |
| 09:24.42 | highbury | unusual to see you around leeds, been busy this year |
| 09:24.54 | Leeds | yeah, busy |
| 09:26.01 | highbury | did, you find out whether there's a way to download the Solaris 9 X86, witch having to pay $20 + customs duty? |
| 09:26.31 | Leeds | witch? |
| 09:26.50 | highbury | s/witch/without/ |
| 09:26.57 | Leeds | I'm working on getting hold of some 'promotional' copies... but you've got to buy it for now |
| 09:28.34 | Leeds | it *is* a commercial product... not a freebie |
| 09:30.32 | Leeds | it's a free license... not a free physical distribution |
| 09:30.58 | zachary | I can get around the customs duty. I have an adress over hear that is an extension of the usps. |
| 09:31.40 | Leeds | I can get around the customs duty - I can just download it! |
| 09:32.17 | highbury | thanks zachary. But the point was when I bought Solaris 8, I didn't expect to get stiffed for Customs duty, the web page definitely misled |
| 09:33.04 | highbury | one would have expected the Sun UK to make some sort of provision for shipping over the media, like it does for the rest of the product line |
| 09:34.08 | highbury | and why is the sparc download free and not the x86 |
| 09:35.21 | Leeds | because over a million people downloaded s8 for x86, and most of them didn't pay a penny to do so... if you've got a SPARC box, you're almost by definition a customer of ours, but if you've just got a generic x86 box, we don't want to pay to give you software |
| 09:35.53 | highbury | yep, I understand |
| 09:37.26 | highbury | They should still at least make a comment, that the $20 includes or doesn't include any customs duty |
| 09:37.51 | Leeds | why is duty an issue? |
| 09:38.15 | Leeds | I thought it didn't apply to items costing less than £18 - and I would assume it didn't apply to download anyway |
| 09:38.40 | Leeds | ibot change 20 usd to gbp |
| 09:39.00 | resuDaed_ssh | back, I've been refered to physio, wahey |
| 09:39.08 | resuDaed_ssh | (bout bloddy time too) |
| 09:39.46 | highbury | Leeds: it *shouldn't* but I've been bitten once before |
| 09:39.57 | highbury | with Solx86 |
| 09:40.43 | Leeds | highbury: was that with buying a phsyical media kit though? |
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| 09:41.35 | resuDaed_ssh | there are 12M in usr/share/locale, I am assuming I whouldn't need more then uk (and maybe us) |
| 09:41.41 | armijn | 'llo |
| 09:41.43 | highbury | yes, that's true. Actually if I was seriously interested, I'd order the full media kit anyway for Solaris 9, which I know this time I'll get stung for, unless Sun make some UK provision |
| 09:41.53 | resuDaed_ssh | hi armijn |
| 09:42.20 | armijn | so, I've seen a few faces on FOSDEM, but now I gotta link these to nicknames :) |
| 09:42.35 | dank_work | resuDaed_ssh wasn't as FOSDEM |
| 09:42.43 | dank_work | *at |
| 09:42.45 | resuDaed_ssh | too much money |
| 09:42.48 | resuDaed_ssh | :-) |
| 09:42.52 | dank_work | It's Free! |
| 09:42.56 | armijn | it was free (as in beer) |
| 09:43.05 | dank_work | With free speeches too |
| 09:43.06 | armijn | dank_work: ah,ok, so, ehr, who was? |
| 09:43.10 | resuDaed_ssh | if they have on next month (:-)), I'll be able to afford to go |
| 09:43.11 | dank_work | Leeds was |
| 09:43.17 | dank_work | resuDaed_ssh: Job? |
| 09:43.30 | resuDaed_ssh | yes, I am a barman down at the racecourses :-) |
| 09:43.34 | dank_work | Cool :) |
| 09:43.38 | dank_work | Congrats |
| 09:43.43 | armijn | free beer...arrghhllll |
| 09:43.43 | resuDaed_ssh | (sandown (not sure of spelling) and ascot) |
| 09:44.03 | resuDaed_ssh | 6 days a week = 300 quid/week |
| 09:44.08 | armijn | leeds: you were at FOSDEM, right? |
| 09:44.13 | resuDaed_ssh | just be too tire for social life |
| 09:44.45 | dank_work | Aww :) |
| 09:45.41 | resuDaed_ssh | well, more than 16 hous a week drinking time anyway :) |
| 09:46.01 | resuDaed_ssh | can now afford my OU degree too |
| 09:46.12 | dank_work | Cool |
| 09:46.52 | resuDaed_ssh | do I need usr/share/zoneinfo ? |
| 09:47.12 | dank_work | Some of it |
| 09:47.17 | resuDaed_ssh | how much of it? |
| 09:47.25 | dank_work | Depends what's in it :) |
| 09:47.33 | dank_work | You probably want to keep Europe/London |
| 09:47.45 | armijn | and Europe/Amsterdam |
| 09:47.54 | resuDaed_ssh | well, how about I keep all begining in [gG]* |
| 09:47.58 | dank_work | Nah. No-one wants to be in Amsterdam |
| 09:48.00 | resuDaed_ssh | gmt/gb etc |
| 09:48.11 | resuDaed_ssh | and europe |
| 09:48.25 | armijn | dank_work: that's true, but it is a) my timezone b) in .nl |
| 09:48.37 | dank_work | But he's not in .nl |
| 09:48.46 | armijn | dank_work: so? :) |
| 09:48.55 | dank_work | No-one wants to be in .nl :) |
| 09:48.59 | armijn | dank_work: I just know he wants to |
| 09:49.02 | armijn | dank_work: hey! |
| 09:49.18 | dank_work | :) |
| 09:51.14 | armijn | I'm waiting for my editor (Linux Magazine NL) to pick me up |
| 09:51.22 | armijn | we've gotta do an interview with Bruce Perens... |
| 09:51.32 | dank_work | Did you go to the talk yesterday? |
| 09:51.40 | armijn | yeah, but had to leave early |
| 09:51.47 | dank_work | Ah |
| 09:52.01 | resuDaed_ssh | what can be deleted from usr/bin (seriously) |
| 09:52.06 | armijn | it was actually good that I went, because we were supposed to meet at the station today, but he told me he was having lunch at Philips |
| 09:52.07 | dank_work | Everything |
| 09:52.11 | resuDaed_ssh | :-) |
| 09:52.26 | dank_work | /usr/bin and /usr/sbin are non-essential system binaries |
| 09:52.36 | armijn | like irc clients |
| 09:52.43 | resuDaed_ssh | I need to lose another 30MB |
| 09:52.59 | armijn | resudaed_ssh: 'du -h' is your friend |
| 09:53.04 | dank_work | armijn: IRC clients are essential |
| 09:53.31 | armijn | anyway, Bruce said he'd arrange for us to go to Philips and do the interview there... |
| 09:53.53 | armijn | so I got aphonecall two hours ago from some guy at Philips... |
| 09:55.21 | dank_work | Cool |
| 09:55.33 | armijn | I guess... |
| 09:56.25 | Leeds | sorry... been away from keyboard |
| 09:56.33 | highbury | resuDaed_ssh: you should look at some minimal distro, like tomrtbt, and use that as a basis for what to keep and what to delete |
| 09:56.35 | dank_work | Bah. Excuses :-P |
| 09:56.58 | Leeds | armijn: hi! - I passed your mail onto our marketing man, who's going to try to help |
| 09:57.20 | resuDaed_ssh | highbury : but I am so close, I have got slack down to 62 MB, I need to get down to only 32 ... sooo close, but yet so far |
| 09:57.23 | Leeds | armijn: where did you get my e-mail address from, anyway? |
| 09:57.36 | dank_work | It's on the gllug mailing list |
| 09:58.39 | Leeds | oh, so I now have strange Dutch people stalking me? |
| 09:58.50 | armijn | leeds: I got it from dan |
| 09:58.59 | dank_work | There are stranger Dutch people around. |
| 09:59.07 | dank_work | Not much, but at least I know this one |
| 09:59.11 | Leeds | where?!?!? |
| 09:59.18 | dank_work | Err. |
| 09:59.29 | dank_work | Holland, possibly. |
| 09:59.47 | Leeds | armijn: talk to highbury about it - he's been pestering me about the same thing :-) |
| 10:00.30 | armijn | leeds: to get Solaris 9 for Intel? |
| 10:00.47 | Leeds | yeah |
| 10:00.57 | Leeds | you've got a better case than him :-) |
| 10:01.05 | armijn | I know :) |
| 10:01.11 | armijn | andI'm dutch... |
| 10:02.12 | Leeds | not necessarily going to help when I'm in London and my marketing contact is in Chicago :-) |
| 10:02.26 | armijn | ehr, heh :) |
| 10:02.49 | armijn | well, it's not much of a problem if it isn't working out...there are other operating sytems I can install on the machine :) |
| 10:03.26 | armijn | my editor can be here any minute...and we gotta leave soon, so I think I'll be afk for the rest of the day :) |
| 10:04.02 | armijn | ah, he's here |
| 10:04.09 | armijn | so, I'm leaving |
| 10:04.10 | armijn | cu! |
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| 10:18.05 | highbury | Leeds: what's this about him having a better case than me?! |
| 10:19.11 | Leeds | he wants it for a particular free software-related project... |
| 10:19.35 | highbury | Leeds: awww, ok |
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| 10:29.15 | dpash | hi |
| 10:29.16 | dank_work | hi |
| 10:31.57 | dank_work | Train? |
| 10:32.16 | dpash | www.thetrainline.co.uk is crap |
| 10:32.32 | dank_work | www.railtrack.co.uk is what I use |
| 10:33.06 | Davilion | morning all |
| 10:33.11 | Davilion | www.qjump.com |
| 10:33.36 | dank_work | Morning Dave |
| 10:33.40 | Davilion | hi dan |
| 10:33.53 | dpash | I can go by national express for 28GBP return but will take 7 hours |
| 10:34.06 | dpash | sounds good |
| 10:34.15 | Davilion | dpash: national express is far better than trains imho |
| 10:34.39 | dank_work | Fly? |
| 10:34.39 | Stephen | it so isn't, takes ages to get anywhere |
| 10:34.46 | dank_work | Davilion: Why? |
| 10:34.52 | dank_work | (re: V-day) |
| 10:35.06 | Davilion | Stephen: yeah, but at least you get there roughly when you should, and you dont have to put up with virgin X country train managers |
| 10:35.23 | Davilion | dank_work: so i'm not vomiting all over happy couples everywhere |
| 10:35.33 | dpash | dank_work: fly is at least 60GBP due to taxes |
| 10:35.40 | dank_work | Davilion: Well...there is that. |
| 10:35.46 | Stephen | Davilion: yeah, I suppose as lomg as you can stand the long trips, coaches aren't bad, they're dead cheap too |
| 10:35.48 | dpash | 30GBP taxes + 20ish GBP flights |
| 10:35.48 | dank_work | But, fortunately, V-day is on a Friday |
| 10:35.57 | dank_work | So I'm going to be at work |
| 10:36.05 | Davilion | yeah its the evenings im worried about |
| 10:36.10 | dank_work | I'm going to be at home |
| 10:36.21 | dank_work | Probably online. Just as always |
| 10:36.31 | Davilion | im goign to have to confine myself to the house, so what better htan a trip to a datacenter, not a happy couple in sight and broader than braod band. |
| 10:36.44 | dank_work | Because Brookes is silly. |
| 10:36.45 | dank_work | HTH |
| 10:36.55 | Davilion | right. |
| 10:37.06 | Davilion | im off to nottingham, then edinburgh to collect my car, hopefully it will stop this time. |
| 10:37.16 | Davilion | i dont hate it when im with somebody |
| 10:37.16 | dank_work | You're well-travelled, Dave |
| 10:37.35 | dank_work | Because there's the pressure to spend money on shit |
| 10:37.38 | Davilion | in fact when im in a realtionship i love it lol |
| 10:37.48 | dank_work | heh |
| 10:37.51 | Davilion | dank_work: yeah there is that. |
| 10:38.21 | Davilion | heheh, you two are sooo un romantic lol. |
| 10:38.27 | dank_work | <g> |
| 10:38.33 | dank_work | Sometimes. |
| 10:38.48 | dpash | it is a pile of crap thought up by marketting men |
| 10:38.51 | dank_work | Like if it comes down to some artificially invented way of spending money |
| 10:39.07 | dank_work | Then we're very unromantic :) |
| 10:39.14 | dpash | much like mothers day and fathers day and grandparents day and carers day |
| 10:39.22 | dank_work | Why did she chuck you? For getting a new job? |
| 10:39.32 | Davilion | yeah sutff like thats bollocks but its just a good excuse to shower them with hugs etc. |
| 10:39.48 | dank_work | But you can hug them any day of the year |
| 10:39.50 | Davilion | dank_work: according to stacy 'because she's a bitch' but i never really found out why. |
| 10:39.55 | dank_work | Ahh :-/ |
| 10:39.59 | dank_work | Sorry to hear that, mate. |
| 10:40.00 | Davilion | dank_work: yeah, but you can hug them more on 14th loll |
| 10:40.22 | dank_work | Seeing as I won't be with her then |
| 10:40.34 | Davilion | dank_work: heheh, its ok, i was gutted at the teim, like rerally gutted, but im getting over it. She was just really cold which was downright nasty of her. |
| 10:40.35 | Davilion | but anyway |
| 10:40.40 | Davilion | nottinghams calling |
| 10:40.48 | Davilion | (Or at least it will be if i dont fix their cluster. |
| 10:40.49 | dank_work | Aww |
| 10:41.20 | dank_work | (with her, meaning, in the physical presence of her) |
| 10:41.24 | dank_work | Have fun, then. |
| 10:42.12 | Davilion | my plan for the next 3 days, today: warwick uni, nottingham chem, nottingham pharmacy, daresbury, Edinburgh. Thursday, Edinburgh, morning off, afternoon, car swap, leeds, friday: leeds, edinburgh. |
| 10:42.17 | Davilion | eek |
| 10:42.17 | dank_work | (rather than with her, in the sense of going out with her) |
| 10:42.20 | dank_work | I know what I mean. |
| 10:42.32 | dpash | dank_work: we all knew what you meant too |
| 10:42.36 | dank_work | :-) |
| 10:42.54 | dank_work | (well, sometimes) |
| 10:43.02 | dank_work | Davilion: Keeps you busy... |
| 10:43.21 | Davilion | dank_work: Yeah, nothing like being so absorbed in your work you dont have time to check your mail |
| 10:43.27 | dank_work | Or IRC |
| 10:43.44 | Davilion | yeah thats the worst part |
| 10:43.58 | dank_work | I mean, you're obviously far too busy to be IRCing now, aren't you? :) |
| 10:44.14 | Davilion | yes, right now i should be compiling palass benchmarks, and installing a replacement node |
| 10:44.25 | Davilion | but unfortiunatly its taking quite a while to bz2 a 20gb partition. |
| 10:44.34 | dank_work | Heh. gzip instead? |
| 10:44.43 | dank_work | Your working life sounds so much fun... |
| 10:45.17 | Davilion | dank_work: i need it to be as ickle as possible so it gets down the adsl line as fast as possible lol |
| 10:45.25 | Davilion | but anyway i really am off this time |
| 10:47.03 | dank_work | :-) |
| 10:47.05 | dank_work | c'ya |
| 10:55.05 | zachary | bbl |
| 11:10.04 | Huhn | moin |
| 11:25.00 | dank_work | Hullo |
| 11:25.13 | Huhn | hi dank_work, how's work? |
| 11:25.27 | dank_work | It's....going |
| 11:25.36 | dank_work | Just doing a dd over netcat :) |
| 11:25.43 | dank_work | (Norton Ghost didn't want to work properly) |
| 11:26.25 | Huhn | :) |
| 11:26.33 | Huhn | cool, murb introduced me to netcat |
| 11:28.46 | dank_work | Heh. It's quite useful :) |
| 11:59.33 | eye69 | Damn France |
| 11:59.39 | eye69 | Run out of table space on the db |
| 12:02.57 | dank_work | Heh |
| 12:02.57 | dank_work | :) |
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| 13:14.52 | Stephen | wb dpash and zachary |
| 13:15.16 | zachary | ty, how's your day Stephen |
| 13:16.09 | Stephen | ok thanks, just one lecture this morning and that's it |
| 13:16.18 | Stephen | you? |
| 13:17.17 | zachary | just did a fresh install of mandrake 9.0 on my laptop. I've been using it for a firewall for a year. |
| 13:17.24 | zachary | Getting it ready for install fest. |
| 13:17.48 | zachary | installing magicpoint now. |
| 13:20.31 | dank_work | :) |
| 13:21.37 | zachary | afternoon dank_work. |
| 13:21.40 | Stephen | got to see part of the debian install process yesterday, wasn't half bad actually |
| 13:22.03 | dank_work | Hiya |
| 13:23.52 | Stephen | yeah, but there isn't an official slackware port for sparc |
| 13:24.09 | Stephen | and my mate is a deb fanatic |
| 13:25.50 | Stephen | i will probably be putting splack on my 'new' SPARC, when I get the monitor adaptor for it |
| 13:26.00 | zachary | I'm going to give debian and slack a try again. I think mandrake is not going to be around for much longer, or at least the quality is going to go way down. Just tried the 9.1 beta3, major disapointment. |
| 13:26.38 | Stephen | that's disappointing, 'cos from what i've heard, mandrake was a good first introduction to linux |
| 13:28.38 | zachary | brb |
| 13:36.04 | Tarragon | But 9.0 B3 was bad as well |
| 13:54.48 | zachary | Anyone have experience with bind in redhat 7.1-7.3? |
| 13:56.23 | zachary | Tarragon: I didn't have as many problems with 9.0b3 than 9.1b3. Their config utilities are all screwed up. |
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| 14:11.16 | Clyphox | re |
| 14:11.49 | Clyphox | resuDaed... your killing my connection.. I just need to get a few megs off my system pls.. |
| 14:16.06 | dpash | how? |
| 14:16.36 | dpash | resuDaed: I asked at our recruitment agency. they were not too hopeful |
| 14:16.44 | dpash | sorry |
| 14:17.25 | Clyphox | he's downloading a divx from me I think.. |
| 14:17.35 | Clyphox | hi btw.. |
| 14:17.48 | dpash | legally? |
| 14:18.16 | Clyphox | well I'm not sure if its legal but he has my permission if thats what you mean |
| 14:19.02 | dpash | no that wasn't what I meant. I meant does the copyright allow him/you to copy it? |
| 14:19.39 | Clyphox | No its a dvd. |
| 14:19.52 | Clyphox | or at least it was.. |
| 14:19.58 | Clyphox | till I ripped it.. |
| 14:21.15 | dank_work | Hi |
| 14:21.26 | Clyphox | Hiya dan |
| 14:21.34 | Clyphox | larts? |
| 14:21.53 | Clyphox | I am gonna buy a LART board if thats the reference |
| 14:22.10 | dpash | Luser Attitude Reajustment Tool |
| 14:22.25 | dank_work | ibot lart |
| 14:22.37 | Clyphox | hmm.... |
| 14:22.38 | dank_work | ibot lart #gllug |
| 14:22.43 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:22.59 | Clyphox | I don't share on gnutella if thats the type of person you think I am. |
| 14:24.39 | Clyphox | What I'm doing is no different than lending a CD to a friend. just more eco friendly :) |
| 14:25.38 | dpash | and just as illegal |
| 14:25.47 | Clyphox | Yup |
| 14:26.29 | Clyphox | And I have no problem with sharing. Its selling illegal stuff I mind. Plus I MIND the dvd legalities.. |
| 14:26.40 | Clyphox | And EMI etc... |
| 14:27.27 | dpash | ey record companies are theiving bastards |
| 14:27.46 | Clyphox | Same as the DVD bastards.. |
| 14:27.54 | Clyphox | Actually.. dvd is worse.. |
| 14:28.34 | Clyphox | You are technically NOT allowed to watch DVD without spending money buying a program/player.. and even then it HAS to be proprietry.. |
| 14:28.38 | Clyphox | Dumb |
| 14:28.43 | dpash | hmm 4 hours of apt-getting left |
| 14:29.08 | Clyphox | you do? |
| 14:29.28 | dank_work | You need to get a CD player |
| 14:29.31 | dank_work | Or CD ROM drive |
| 14:29.33 | Clyphox | I buy CD's actually.. only after I've downloaded the album to see if I like it. |
| 14:29.40 | dank_work | (and sound card, etc.) |
| 14:30.08 | dpash | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2743961.stm |
| 14:30.23 | Clyphox | true.. but DVD software is regulated and CD players aren't. the format is raw and open to the public. (ish) |
| 14:31.53 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:32.30 | Clyphox | grr.. its take 30seconds to just give me a scp passwords prompt |
| 14:32.32 | Clyphox | ... |
| 14:32.37 | Clyphox | httpd dies.. |
| 14:33.00 | Clyphox | httpd lives again.. |
| 14:33.13 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:33.36 | Clyphox | love nix |
| 14:35.46 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:36.48 | Clyphox | ack |
| 14:36.52 | Clyphox | I need blackbox.. |
| 14:37.30 | Clyphox | hay Dan. I've got a weird X issue.. |
| 14:37.38 | Clyphox | Nice to have new problems hehe.. |
| 14:37.42 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:37.46 | Clyphox | My laptop has APM right.. |
| 14:38.13 | dank_work | yeah... |
| 14:38.21 | Clyphox | whenever I leave X and goto console/or apm hibernation and then return to X it is REALLY dark.. |
| 14:38.30 | Clyphox | and the only way I can fix X is to kill it. |
| 14:38.34 | dank_work | Hmm. |
| 14:38.37 | dank_work | Not sure. |
| 14:38.45 | Clyphox | its not gamma.. I've checked it against ols configs and all.. |
| 14:38.49 | Clyphox | just really really weird.. |
| 14:38.59 | dank_work | Have you turned off APM and tried it? |
| 14:39.04 | Clyphox | maybe its a kernel APM thing.. |
| 14:39.05 | Clyphox | yup |
| 14:39.27 | dank_work | And it works properly without APM? |
| 14:39.35 | Clyphox | nope.. |
| 14:39.42 | dank_work | So it's probably not an APM issue |
| 14:39.48 | Clyphox | It only seems to be fine on NetBSD and BeOS |
| 14:40.05 | Clyphox | I can't wait to find out.. |
| 14:40.15 | Clyphox | I'm also on the NEW X.. |
| 14:40.19 | dank_work | So use NetBSD :) |
| 14:40.29 | Clyphox | from an slack mirror under patches.. |
| 14:40.48 | Clyphox | yea.. I'm compiling blackbox now.. so I can live.. |
| 14:41.12 | Clyphox | I can't stand the BSD curses.. is it possible to integrate Ncurses do you think? |
| 14:41.50 | dank_work | Look in /usr/ports ? |
| 14:41.55 | Clyphox | wow.. blackbox even has its own catagory on freshmeat hehe |
| 14:42.02 | dank_work | HEhe |
| 14:42.09 | Clyphox | love bb |
| 14:43.39 | Clyphox | kewl.. there is a program that monitors app you run.. |
| 14:43.58 | Clyphox | then generates a menu you simply include in bbox so you have a menu of recently run apps |
| 14:44.17 | Clyphox | simple and tweakable for a fool such as myself :) |
| 14:49.25 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.30 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:53.53 | Clyphox | I need this console.. gtg.. |
| 15:00.19 | Tarragon | Has anyone every claimed on household insurance? Are computers normally covered |
| 15:00.52 | dank_work | They normally are. But if you use them for business, that might be a different issue |
| 15:03.07 | highbury | re |
| 15:03.58 | dank_work | Awww |
| 15:03.59 | dank_work | Why? |
| 15:04.04 | Tarragon | Just found out I burnt out another two plus a video in a powercut on Monday :-( Now walking around the house to see what else broke. |
| 15:04.20 | dank_work | eek |
| 15:04.36 | highbury | time to invest in some UPS's |
| 15:04.57 | Tarragon | Time for the whole house to be rewired I think |
| 15:10.07 | Stephen | damn, my new sun adaptor lead isn't working |
| 15:10.23 | highbury | build in new consumer unit with RCB's and stuff, I wonder if you can get the same quality as are sold on extension leads, i.e have the whole house spike protected |
| 15:10.49 | highbury | or even have a couple of car batteries in the garage, providing UPS :-) |
| 15:11.38 | Stephen | anyone here got any idea about SPARCs? |
| 15:11.52 | highbury | Stephen: shoot! |
| 15:12.55 | eye69 | Anybody here that can recommend a good DNS management system? Preferably console based, but web based will be fine too. I already know about Webmin. |
| 15:13.03 | dank_work | vi ? |
| 15:13.22 | Stephen | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1486&item=2304317511&rd=1 - this should allow me take an output from a SUN and make it work on my VGA monitor right? |
| 15:14.04 | eye69 | dank_work: It's getting to be a bit too many domains. |
| 15:14.06 | murb | eye69: what does it need to do? |
| 15:14.16 | highbury | what sort of Sun, also wheich Graphics Card |
| 15:14.18 | dank_work | Ah |
| 15:14.44 | eye69 | murb: Just handle the generation of a Bind9 configuration. Doesn't need to do the actual reload, since that can be handled with a cron job. |
| 15:15.01 | Stephen | Sparc Station 10 - Sun GX |
| 15:15.44 | highbury | hmm, did you say its not working? |
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| 15:16.03 | Clyphox | re |
| 15:16.08 | Clyphox | gtg again.. |
| 15:16.10 | dank_work | heh |
| 15:16.13 | Stephen | a singal is obviously getting to by monitor, as it is coming out of standby, but there's no image |
| 15:16.18 | Stephen | signal* |
| 15:17.43 | highbury | hmm, you'll have to check Sun website for info. I'll try and have a poke round too |
| 15:18.20 | Stephen | cheers, actually I've just noticed that the RAM isn't installed in pairs, would this make a difference? |
| 15:20.40 | highbury | might do, you should try and locate full hardware specs for your Sun. |
| 15:20.53 | Stephen | will do, cheers |
| 15:22.46 | highbury | Stephen: http://www.sunhelp.org/ |
| 15:24.31 | highbury | http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/ |
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| 15:34.24 | zachary | ibot lart BT. |
| 15:34.35 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:34.51 | Stephen | actually, I have a mate who bought a sun monitor, so I'll take my machine over to him and see if I can get it working there, cheers highbury |
| 15:35.32 | zachary | ibot lart BT |
| 15:36.25 | dank_work | What've they done, zachary ? |
| 15:36.52 | zachary | dropped my adsl connection 3 times today |
| 15:37.00 | dank_work | doh |
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| 16:11.26 | stephen | ibot lart exposed power switches |
| 16:22.26 | resuDaed_ssh | ibot seen clyphox |
| 16:22.31 | | clyphox <~david@194.106.34.53> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1h 6m 23s ago, saying: 'gtg again.. '. |
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| 17:52.27 | dank_work | Hometime |
| 18:14.01 | resuDaed_ssh | laters all, rebooting into windows 2k :( |
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| 19:56.07 | Clyphox | Hi all |
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| 20:37.25 | zachary | formi: Was the store still open? |
| 20:40.31 | murb | good evening? |
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| 20:53.21 | dankolb | 'lo |
| 20:53.26 | Huhn | huhu dankolb |
| 20:54.40 | dankolb | Hi. How's it going? |
| 20:55.09 | Huhn | mh, ok, how is your evening? |
| 20:55.31 | dankolb | Dull |
| 20:55.44 | Huhn | why? what's up? |
| 20:55.53 | dankolb | Nothing. That's why it's dull :) |
| 20:55.58 | Huhn | ah :) |
| 20:56.33 | Huhn | I'm too tired to go home.. |
| 20:56.49 | dankolb | Sleep in front of the computer, then? |
| 20:57.40 | Huhn | oh no, that's not a good idea ;) |
| 20:57.55 | murb | in the same room as many computers? |
| 20:58.21 | Huhn | last time I ended up with 100 pages in my article (was still using M$ and Word), cause I slept on the space key ;) |
| 20:59.04 | Huhn | I did, long time ago, before I installed Linux and LaTeX ;) |
| 20:59.23 | murb | I wrote some essasy for school with wordstar for dos and wordperfect 5.1 on sco |
| 20:59.58 | murb | (open sewer) |
| 21:07.30 | Tarragon | murb: PA2718U Extended Port replicator is what you need. |
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| 21:17.45 | stephen | wb zimm |
| 21:17.49 | zimm | :) |
| 21:18.02 | zimm | very |
| 21:18.07 | stephen | nowt wrong with that |
| 21:18.29 | Huhn | you can still type that you're drunk without spelling mistakes, it can't be that bad, zimm :) |
| 21:18.30 | stephen | oh, that ain't good |
| 21:18.39 | Huhn | ah! |
| 21:18.57 | zimm | heheh |
| 21:19.02 | dankolb | wb |
| 21:19.10 | Huhn | how long was the walk? |
| 21:19.12 | zimm | blurhgh |
| 21:19.18 | zimm | err |
| 21:19.20 | Huhn | oh dear |
| 21:19.21 | zimm | fsck knows |
| 21:19.28 | zimm | i dont know london very well |
| 21:20.00 | zimm | ewww . |
| 21:20.04 | zimm | i feel sick now |
| 21:20.14 | zimm | i jusr ate a whole bag of winegums |
| 21:31.57 | formi | zachary: yes it was opened |
| 21:32.53 | zachary | did you get a new adapter? |
| 21:33.05 | formi | i went with Sean to the cluster + sparc server room called "cloakroom" and it was really noisy |
| 21:33.12 | formi | the pieces |
| 21:33.23 | formi | I will have to a bit of soldering |
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| 21:34.53 | Huhn | hey skugg :) |
| 21:35.15 | skugg | hello huhn :) |
| 21:35.21 | zachary | evening skugg |
| 21:35.41 | skugg | a particularly nasty picture of me on your webpage... i look like a m. meeks groupie! |
| 21:35.51 | skugg | hi zachary |
| 21:35.57 | Huhn | skugg: like what? |
| 21:36.24 | skugg | Huhn, Michael Meeks groupie -- the guy just behind me |
| 21:36.40 | zachary | formi: sounds fun. |
| 21:37.01 | Huhn | skugg: which picture is that? |
| 21:38.26 | skugg | Huhn, eh... don't remember the link... i'll find it if you post the link to your archive :P |
| 21:38.37 | skugg | the history information is on a different computer atm. |
| 21:39.00 | Huhn | www.huhnix.org/picture_archive/ |
| 21:40.17 | skugg | http://www.huhnix.org/picture_archive/fosdem/second_day/0209_012.jpg |
| 21:40.19 | skugg | bah. |
| 21:40.20 | skugg | :P |
| 21:41.02 | Huhn | lol |
| 21:41.22 | Huhn | what makes you look like a groupie btw? :) |
| 21:41.46 | skugg | sitting right next to him when there's _loads_ of room elsewhere? :) |
| 21:42.20 | skugg | i didn't stalk him, just for the record, we shared a taxi and that seat was the only one close to a plug for my laptop... |
| 21:42.30 | Huhn | :) |
| 21:42.40 | zimm | lol |
| 21:42.41 | skugg | he seemed nice though, have to say |
| 21:43.34 | skugg | also have to say that your flash was a bit bright Huhn ;) i came out a bit paler than normal |
| 21:44.08 | Huhn | do you want me to use gimp :) |
| 21:44.22 | skugg | nah ;) |
| 21:44.25 | skugg | i don't care that much |
| 21:44.48 | Huhn | hehe :) |
| 21:46.12 | skugg | what did you think of that talk anyway? |
| 21:46.35 | skugg | i must say i thought it was a bit boring... |
| 21:46.55 | Huhn | which one was it? (I don't remember.. was that the GTK?) |
| 21:47.12 | zimm | w0ps |
| 21:47.38 | Huhn | *grin* |
| 21:47.56 | skugg | Huhn, yeah, it was gtk with owen taylor |
| 21:48.22 | Huhn | I have to admit, I was so tired, I feel asleep several times ;) |
| 21:48.32 | skugg | he might be qualified to _write_ the stuff, but he wasn't a very good speaker... |
| 21:50.50 | Huhn | true, I liked Brian King |
| 21:50.56 | Huhn | and of course Damien Sandras |
| 21:51.09 | skugg | what do they do? i don't think I saw any of them? |
| 21:51.19 | skugg | s,?$,, |
| 21:51.38 | Huhn | Brian King talked about Mozilla, Damien showed gnomemeeting in action |
| 21:51.51 | Huhn | with webcams and telephones, very funny |
| 21:51.58 | skugg | ah. didn't go to any of them |
| 21:52.43 | Huhn | the first day was more interesting, I think |
| 21:52.54 | Huhn | (maybe I was too tired during the 2nd day, dunno) |
| 21:53.01 | Huhn | grats, skugg |
| 21:54.11 | skugg | it does something as silly as playing tic-tac-toe... |
| 21:54.12 | skugg | :) |
| 21:54.32 | Huhn | so what? ;) |
| 21:54.50 | skugg | right, it's actually a bit more than that... |
| 21:55.21 | Huhn | is that sth for university? |
| 21:55.46 | skugg | it is a library for generalised minimax-search with alpha-beta cut-offs, but tic-tac-toe was suitably simple as sample application :) |
| 21:55.59 | skugg | Huhn, yeah. my final year project |
| 21:56.25 | skugg | now for integrating othello :D |
| 21:57.09 | Huhn | skugg: http://boulter.com/ttt/index.cgi |
| 21:57.53 | skugg | heh. |
| 22:01.36 | skugg | well, that's a bit cool, but my ttt-game is simply a testbed for my library, it's not meant to be impressive |
| 22:02.07 | skugg | it's used _because_ it is so simple |
| 22:06.05 | Huhn | :) |
| 22:12.10 | zachary | good night, I'm off to bed. |
| 22:12.48 | skugg | night... |
| 22:13.48 | skugg | argh! fsck fsck! |
| 22:14.10 | Huhn | ja? |
| 22:14.42 | skugg | have installed more packages and libraries than I had to start with to make it work now |
| 22:14.44 | skugg | bah. |
| 22:15.10 | Huhn | mh, are you using debian? |
| 22:15.13 | skugg | yeah |
| 22:15.16 | Tarragon | Is KDE a windows manager? Is that the correct definition. |
| 22:15.26 | skugg | Tarragon, no it is not. |
| 22:15.33 | skugg | Tarragon, it is a desktop environment. |
| 22:15.42 | Huhn | windows or window? ;) (sometimes it looks like windows..) |
| 22:15.51 | skugg | you can use almost any window manager with kde, but some have hooks that make them more useful |
| 22:16.20 | skugg | i believe kde have their own window manager in kwm though. |
| 22:16.23 | Huhn | the window manager is called kwin |
| 22:16.35 | skugg | ah, i stand corrected |
| 22:17.15 | Huhn | kwm was kde 1.x |
| 22:17.24 | Huhn | since kde 2.x and 3.x it's kwin |
| 22:17.56 | skugg | i C. |
| 22:38.15 | formi | the morons |
| 22:38.32 | Huhn | formi: who? |
| 22:39.02 | formi | the spankiards |
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| 23:36.03 | dankolb | 'night all |
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| 23:44.32 | Tarragon | Hi Davilion, cupis |
| 23:44.37 | cupis | evening |
| 23:44.54 | Davilion | hiya |
| 23:46.01 | Davilion | hows it going? |
| 23:46.41 | cupis | good, thanks. You? |
| 23:51.51 | Davilion | im ok. had a very good drive home, really flew up the a7 which was fun. Bit of an anti climax when i got home to find my sister has stolen loads of cd's again, last week i managed to be vary calm and sickly nice, today i just went ape shit. i think it will have the same lack of effect. |
| 23:54.44 | cupis | you were allowed back into the house, then? |
| 23:55.13 | Davilion | heheh yeah |
| 23:55.16 | Davilion | my parents are on my side fortunatly |
| 23:55.19 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.29 | cupis | hi formi |
| 23:55.48 | formi | Davilion: have you ever made a null cable to connect a sparc to a pc? |
| 23:56.05 | Davilion | null modem cable? or an ethernet cable:? |
| 23:56.13 | formi | 1st one |
| 23:59.34 | Davilion | havent tried using one of those facny din style plugs, but have done it using the expander thingy for it |
