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00:07.38formii have seen to model, one is just 4 wires the other is many more
00:07.55formii build the 4 wires one and is not working
00:08.23forminow i have found that i need to use the second one
00:09.42Davilionit depends rs232 needs 4 wires at least
00:09.52Davilionis it definatly rs232 and not rs485? the latter can use 2 or 4
00:10.20formihttp://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/serial/
00:10.31formithat seems to be right one
00:13.43Davilionwhat type of port isit?
00:14.00formidb9 - db25
00:14.36Davilion25 pin          9 pin
00:14.37Davilionpin 1 GND  -  pin 1 GND
00:14.37Davilionpin 2 TXD  -  pin 3 RXD
00:14.37Davilionpin 3 RXD  -  pin 3 TXD
00:14.37Davilionpin 4 RTS  -  pin 8 CTS
00:14.37Davilionpin 5 CTS  -  pin 7 RTS
00:14.39Davilionpin 7 gnd  -  pin 5 gnd
00:14.41Davilionpin 6 DSR  -  pin 4 DTR
00:14.43Davilionpin 20 DTR -  pin 6 DSR
00:14.45Davilionis the bog standard one for that
00:15.14formihow is it that there 2 pin 3?
00:16.36Davilionits something to do with the handshaking iirc
00:16.38formithe second line, should it be pin 2 txd - pin 2 rxd ??
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00:41.50eye69Evening
00:42.17formihiya
00:43.45TarragonEvening
00:48.28murbmoin
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03:22.01Huhnnn
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03:39.40Clyphoxhello?
03:43.48murbhi
03:49.35ClyphoxHiya
03:49.44ClyphoxSorry.. half away..
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08:44.06zacharygood morning
08:59.21dank_workMorning
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10:24.16SpudUAway"blah" on #gllugbar, "urghs" just now, what's the matter Dan, you been eating kebab?
10:24.44dank_workI have a cold :(
10:24.59SpudUAwayA cold what?
10:25.07dank_workA cold :-(
10:25.18SpudUAwayA cold cold!
10:25.22dank_workYeah
10:26.26SpudUAwayStress, take the rest of the month off.
10:27.00dank_workWould be nice....
10:27.14dank_workAnd I was going to see Jenson on Saturday
10:27.31SpudUAwayDoesn't she want your cold?
10:27.39dank_workStill, she said she doesn't care if I have a cold. She just wants to see me anyway
10:27.57dank_workAnd if she gets a cold, then she'll be at home next week anyway
10:28.39SpudUAwayColds are a but like herpies, they're a gift that goes on giving.
10:29.36SpudUAway<PROTECTED>
10:29.45dank_workEven if she gets it from me, she'll be over it by the Installfest
10:30.03SpudUAwayWe are talking about colds, right?
10:30.35dank_workyes
10:31.12dank_workI don't have herpes
10:33.17murbSpudUAway: why are you leaking stuff from #gllugbar to the logged #gllug?
10:34.05SpudUAway'cos it's publicly accessible.
10:40.33dank_workAnd it's not like 'blah' is anything sensitive
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11:37.09SpudUAwayBut it could have been, and that's the point.
11:50.47TarragonAnd you don't know just how long I have waited for this track
12:08.12dank_workmoin
12:08.30Huhnmoin
12:11.24Huhntalking about music:
12:11.25HuhnTitle  : Don't Let Me Get Me             Artist: Pink
12:12.07dank_workhttp://testme.eco.li - dotmatrix[123].mp3
12:14.39Huhndank_work: downloading
12:15.59Huhndank_work: what's that?
12:22.05dank_workSymphony for Dot Matrix printers :)
12:22.15Huhn???
12:22.20Huhnunbelievable
12:23.12dank_workWeird, isn't it?
12:23.45HuhnI like it
12:24.00dank_workYeah. It's still weird
12:24.17dank_workInteresting, though...
12:24.21Huhnam I weird, because I like printer symphonies..
12:24.31dank_workOnly as weird as I am.
12:24.40dank_work(not that that's reassuring)
12:24.45Huhn:)
12:25.03TarragonFantastic!
12:25.10Huhnsee, dank_work -- _that's_ weird
12:25.34TarragonWait till it gets onto the JeanMichel Jarre and Kraftwerk
12:25.40Huhnthat's ok
12:25.50HuhnI like both, Jarre and Kraftwerk
12:26.01Huhnbut Barbie Girl...
12:26.06TarragonJust a small step away from Aqua then
12:26.09Huhnwhere is the song about Ken?
12:26.57TarragonBefore or after Mattel sued them?
12:27.16Huhndoes that make a difference?
12:31.10dpash_morning
12:31.40Huhnhi dpash_
12:32.30Huhn*sigh* when will ppl ever learn not to full quote... *doublesigh*
12:34.41SpudUAwayThis came up elsewhere, what is the collective noun for geeks?
12:36.04highburygook
12:36.30highburyie. a gook of geeks :-)
12:37.54SpudUAwayHmm, I'm offering 'a ground of geeks' because of the caffeine dependency.
12:39.16highburymess/mesh/gaggle/google/\/.
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12:40.33armijn'llo
12:40.50SpudUAwayI see this is old hat anyway - http://www.theorganization.net/old_news/nouns.html
12:42.49dank_work'lo mijn
12:42.53armijnhi dank_work
12:42.54dank_workA gaggle of geeks?
12:43.22armijnI had a most interesting interview with Bruce Perens yesterday at Philips in Eindhoven (NL)
12:43.40SpudUAwayDid you give them our collective regards?
12:44.03armijnspuduaway: ehr, no, it was short and sweet :)
12:44.10highburywell my "gook of geeks" is unique, although "gook" is perhaps a bad word (racist connotations unfortunately)
12:44.12SpudUAwayAwww.
12:44.33SpudUAwayhighbury: Hey, geek ain't nice either!
12:44.41armijninteresting thing was that he wasn't invited by their engineers, but by their lawyers and IP department...
12:45.04highburytrue! Time to invoke the inner gook in us all!
12:45.14armijnwhat's a gook?
12:45.30armijnI'm too lazy to dig out the dictionairies...
12:46.06SpudUAwayTo me, a gook is a far east Asian.
12:46.08dank_worka gook of geeks
12:46.55SpudUAwaya source of geeks
12:46.58armijnI'm not a far east asian...I'm dutch...I know NL is pretty far east for you British
12:47.25highburyn 1: any thick messy substance [syn: sludge, slime, goo, guck, gunk, muck, ooze] 2: a disparaging term for an Asian person (especially for North Vietnamese soldiers in the Vietnam War) [syn: slant-eye]
12:47.31SpudUAwayarmijn: I wasn't thinking of you as a gook.
12:48.03SpudUAwayWe have better names for NL's  :-)
12:48.08dank_workDutch?
12:48.12dank_workGeek is a good word.
12:48.18armijnspuduaway: heh, try me
12:48.33dank_workSpudUAway: You should. He's good to try.
12:48.43SpudUAwayhahahahahah
12:48.58armijndank_work: euh :)
12:49.36armijndank_work: it was good that you didn't do the kebab at FOSDEM (in that bar thingie). I went there later, wasn't that good
12:49.59dank_workWhich bar? The one we went to on Sunday?
12:50.11armijndank_work: ACK
12:50.15dank_workAh
12:50.22SpudUAwayThe meat kebab, I thought the Falaflfll (whatever) was good.
12:50.47armijnspuduawau: well...I've had much better...
12:50.48dank_workfalfalalfalflalflll/
12:50.55armijnfalafal
12:51.03dank_workaflalfa
12:51.14armijnthat's something different
12:51.49SpudUAwayOnce had an argument with my english teacher about alfalfa, she said only bunny rabbits could eat it.
12:53.48TarragonDepends on the type of Geeks - Cars - Drive of geeks, Computing - Cluster of geeks, Books - hush of geeks
12:54.33dank_workImagine a Beowulf cluster...
12:55.13TarragonWhat Cheap geeks. One shandy and six straws
12:56.28armijnwell, might be something for that guy in the Falstaff...who had that Westmalle Tripel and thought it was as "strong" as normal lager
12:58.27Tarragon:-)
12:58.38dank_workPDR?
12:58.45zacharyTarragon: I have to disagree with one of the definitions. A social meeting would be a "Cluster of geeks," hencd inter comunication, Computing would be a "Click of geeks."
12:58.58dank_workClique of geeks?
12:59.32Huhnre
12:59.35zacharyno I thing the sound clickety, click, click.
12:59.44Huhnhoi armijn, hoe gaat het?
12:59.51armijnhuhn: goed :)
12:59.58zacharybrb fussy baby
13:00.28armijnhuhn: i don't think it's appropriate to alk anything but english here
13:00.34armijns/alk/talk/
13:01.07dank_workWell....we do have Jenson here sometimes. So it's not just properly English.
13:01.11Huhnwe could offer language courses ;) German for John and Colin.. Dutch for mh ;)
13:01.19dank_workEnglish for Jenson ;-)
13:01.28Huhnmurblish for dank_work
13:01.36SpudUAwayAwww, she reads the logs you know!
13:01.43dank_workYeah, and?
13:02.12SpudUAwayAnd I'm sure she enjoys everything you say about her!
13:02.19dank_work<g>
13:02.30armijnshe must have written a filter...that filters out her name
13:02.33dank_workOh, I say about her abuse of the English language directly to her
13:03.10Huhndank_work: that's called "syntax highlighintg" ;))
13:03.23dank_work:-)
13:03.55dank_workibot insult having a cold
13:04.11Huhnof what???
13:04.25dank_workStimpy-drool
13:04.37dank_workPresumably from Ren & Stimpy, the cartoon series
13:04.41Huhnwhat's that?
13:04.45Huhnah
13:04.50HuhnTim und Struppi ;)
13:04.57dank_workProbably :)
13:05.16armijnwhy is everything translated in german?
13:05.18dank_work"It's the Muppet Show!"
13:05.27dank_workAnd someone here promised some episodes...
13:05.45Huhndank_work: I haven't forgotten
13:05.54armijnhuhn: including the swedish chef?
13:06.07Huhnarmijn: he's Danish, as far as I know..
13:06.37SpudUAwaySwedish.  Danish chef just ain't funny.
13:06.39armijnhuhn: then why is everyone always talking about the swedish chef?
13:06.43Huhndank_work: B.A. offers a Valentine's special, I'm trying to book a 10 EUR flight to London
13:07.05Huhnmaybe it's the Danish variant in German translations..
13:07.14eye69Ahhh...just got into work.
13:07.42Huhndank_work: I'll bring some CDs to the installfest
13:08.20dank_workCool
13:08.25dank_workHow large are the episodes files?
13:09.22SpudUAwayIs Danish chef funny in German?
13:09.55armijnhow can "choco-la-te-mooooose" be translated and be funny?
13:14.03Huhndank_work: which one:
13:14.04HuhnThe_Muppet_Show_-1x01_-_Juliet_Prowse.avi
13:14.04HuhnThe_Muppet_Show_-1x02_-_Connie_Stevens.avi
13:14.04HuhnThe_Muppet_Show_-1x05_-_Rita_Moreno.avi
13:14.04HuhnThe_Muppet_Show_-1x10_-_Harvey_Korman.avi
13:14.06HuhnThe_Muppet_Show_-1x12_-_Peter_Ustinov.avi
13:14.09HuhnThe_Muppet_Show_-1x16_-_Avery_Schreiber.avi
13:14.11HuhnThe_Muppet_Show_-1x18_-_Phyllis_Diller.avi
13:14.14HuhnThe_Muppet_Show_-1x19_-_Vincent_Price.avi
13:14.16Huhnthat's all so far
13:14.29Huhnall around 300 MB
13:14.55dank_workPeter Ustinov?
13:16.04dank_workSounds like a reasonable one :)
13:16.39highburywow! those sound like very very old episodes
13:16.43armijnoh, anyone a bit familiar with cheap places to stay in London? like youth hostels or hotels with pretty good quality?
13:16.43Huhnmh, ok, how fast is your connection?
13:16.56highburymost people here, wouldn't know most of thos names
13:17.09dank_workThe one I'm IRCing from currently is about 1-2Mbit
13:17.41armijndank_work: but you'd saturate the connection...
13:17.47dank_workI don't care :)
13:18.06armijnI "only" got 10 Mbps...rest of the building is 100 :(
13:18.12Huhndank_work: uploading to the Finnish server I'm on..
13:18.56armijnhummm...isn't this unlawful?
13:19.16armijnand logged?
13:19.20Huhnoffering? yes, I think so
13:21.15dank_workIt's not like anyone reads the logs. Except Spud and sometimes Jenson
13:21.21armijnand google?
13:21.30dank_workDoubt it
13:21.47Huhnin that case: for the log files: I don't share
13:21.51Huhn:)
13:21.57dank_work100 buckets of bits on the bus,
13:21.57dank_work100 buckets of bits,
13:21.57dank_workTake one down, short it to ground,
13:21.57dank_workFF buckets of bits on the bus.
13:22.03armijnmy brother recently found a newsposting I did in 1996, that I didn't even remember...just by Googling
13:22.11dank_work:)
13:22.23Huhnarmijn: I know the feeling ;)
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13:27.43formi.
13:27.45formi..
13:27.50formi.. .
13:27.52dank_workhttp://www.inflection-point.com/jokes/30.htm
13:27.57dank_workhi formi
13:27.58formidank
13:28.07formii've just heard a good one
13:28.44formithe census results say 3% of the population is muslim
13:29.14formiand 4000 say their religion has to do with being Jedi Nights
13:30.33dank_workYeah. Silly people.
13:30.53armijnyeah, they don't know how to spell "knights"
13:30.57dank_workTrue :)
13:31.44formiarmijn: do you have any problems with my spelling???
13:32.39armijnformi: no, it was intended as a joke...chill :)
13:34.08formithe first thing you say to somebody in an irc channel should be a bit more polite
13:34.58armijnformi: well, I was actually following up on something that dank_work said...
14:12.47armijnheh, I gotta a funny mug here...
14:12.52armijnwith a Tux with a tie on it
14:12.59dank_workheh
14:13.01armijnand it says: CMG roots for you
14:13.18armijnthey had this campaign here "CMV suits you"
14:13.33armijnI don't think they quite got what "to root" means
14:13.55armijns/CMV/CMG/
14:14.01dank_workWho's CMG?
14:14.21armijnan insultancy company
14:15.09armijnwww.cmg.com
14:18.47SpudUAwayHey, I wanna peice of that action.  I can do insultancy.
14:26.57armijnwell, a friend of mine almost wrote down that he was in the insultancy business when he was filling in a member form for a Dutch open source lobby organisation
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14:29.13dank_workhey zim
14:29.16zimm:)
14:29.16dank_work*zimm
14:33.47dank_work<PROTECTED>
14:34.58dank_work(work workstation)
14:35.25zimm:)
14:36.45armijndank_work: the highest I got was a load of 970
14:37.12dank_workA load of 970s?
14:37.16zimmwhat is "load" anyway ?
14:37.25armijnzimm: processor load
14:37.37armijndank_work: no, processor load
14:37.42zimmyeh .. but how is it calculated ?
14:37.50armijnehr
14:38.15armijnnot sure, I'm no kernel guy
14:38.31zimmlol
14:38.34zimmfairy nuff
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14:40.09armijnit was an unintended fork bomb...process IDs had already wrapped around a few times, scheduler was killing processes, and new ones were being launched...it had already gotten the machine a few times to its knees, but I never had noticed (was launched frm cron)
14:40.37armijnso when I noticed, I killed the processes (a few thousand) and load jumped to 970 for a fraction of a second
14:40.39armijnwas scary
14:41.44dank_workEhr.
14:41.46zimmlol
14:42.00dank_workIt's something like the number of processes that are queued up to run
14:42.00armijnbut it did happen...
14:42.33armijnzimm: I immediately called me brother and when he got to my room (a few seconds later) load was down to about 200
14:42.56armijns/me/my/
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14:57.51dank_workwb
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14:59.24zimm:)
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15:42.23rich1981hey zimm you there?
15:43.09zimm??
15:43.31zimmrich1981: yup
15:43.32Huhnre
15:43.33rich1981hi - I just have a question
15:43.54rich1981The installation asked me to configure locales?
15:44.08zimmyeh ?
15:44.11zimmand ..
15:44.20rich1981and to select locales to be generated - what do I need to select?
15:44.41rich1981what exactly are locales?
15:44.57rich1981sorry if this is a stupid question
15:45.17zimmwhatever you want .. either just leave it as C , or chose iso8859-1
15:45.18dank_workLocalisations
15:45.35zimmits just text lcalisations ...,
15:45.39zimmdank_work: :)
15:45.52rich1981ok so if I just bypass it will stay as default
15:46.06dank_workYou might want iso8859-15.
15:46.11dank_workThat has e-uro support
15:46.16zimmmm , for the euro sign
15:46.27dank_workNot that anyone needs it :)
15:46.32zimmtrue .lol
15:46.35dank_workWhy couldn't they stick with an existing symbol?
15:46.54zimmim all for the euro , as long as they call it the pound ..
15:47.13rich1981ok cheers guys you really help - I just wanted to check
15:47.21zimmnp ..
15:47.28zimmg'luck :)
15:47.39rich1981cheers- back to it seeya
15:49.05zimmhmm
15:49.53zimmahhh ,,, he's the one who grabbed that woody iso off fudo.org 2 days ago
16:05.44dank_workAh
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16:47.53dank_workhello Leeds
16:48.04Leedsafternoon
16:48.09Huhnhi Leeds
16:48.09Leedsugh... I'm root!
16:48.14Huhnwow, ibot is cool ;)
16:48.15dank_work:-)
16:48.21dank_workare you 31337?
16:48.25Leedshi
16:48.42LeedsI'm not root!  I'm tunnelling and I guess the end of the tunnel is owned by root
16:48.53LeedsI'm not dumb enough to IRC as root :-)
16:48.57dank_workThe root at the end of the tunnel?
16:49.09Leedsheh
16:49.31Leedsso, dank_work, have a good weekend?
16:49.41dank_workFOSDEM weekend, you mean?
16:49.44Leedsyeah
16:50.00LeedsI know it was a while ago, but I only got back on Monday evening, and it's been a busy week :-)
16:50.25dank_workI thought you were on IRC on Tuesday
16:50.30dank_workYeah, it was fun. Tiring, though
16:51.01LeedsI've popped in here, but I'm here for real (for a bit) now ;-)
16:52.00dank_workYay!
16:53.19Leedsso, fun here, isn't it?
16:53.25dank_workIt is.
16:53.28dank_workThe fun never stops
16:55.09Leedsibot fun
16:55.09methinks fun is irrelevant.
17:00.04dank_work:-)
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17:24.27rich1981hey zimm cheers it installed fine and is up and running....
17:24.49zimmsweet
17:24.50rich1981unfortunately I have another question - just a simple one though
17:25.00zimmwhats up ?
17:25.24rich1981how do I open a program (equiv to XFdrake) to reconfigure the graphics?
17:26.16zimmyou either use a command line app called xf86config , or just edit the file directly
17:26.16rich1981the only thing that is not working properly is the xwindow because I set the resolution wrong
17:26.28zimmok , well if thats all
17:26.41zimmjust edit  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
17:26.44rich1981yeah as far as I know everything else is fine
17:26.55zimmand change the res list at the and of the file
17:27.12rich1981just using the cursor?
17:27.19highburyits worth stealing the config file Knoppix generates
17:28.00zimmrich1981: yeh man , just do "vim /etc/X11/XF856Config-4" without quotes and change the resolution list
17:28.03murbno it isn't., not unless you want to use a vesa framebuffer for X
17:28.12zimmmurb: good point
17:28.32rich1981cheers I have all I need now to proceed, I thank you once again for your guidance
17:28.38zimmrich1981: yeh man , just do "vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" without quotes and change the resolution list
17:28.39zimmhehe
17:29.07dank_workOr 'emacs /etc/X11/XF86Config-4'
17:29.18zimmor that ..
17:29.41rich1981be back before I'm wanted - cheers, seeya
17:29.48dank_workOr 'pico'
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17:29.56zimmrich1981: YOU STILL RUNNING WOODY OR DID YOU UPGRADE TO SARGE OR SID ?
17:30.02zimmGRR  capslock
17:30.16rich1981still woody as far as I know
17:30.22zimm:)
17:30.55zimmbrb phone
17:31.06rich1981I didn't or have'nt done anything that was not automated
17:31.35rich1981is there a big difference?
17:32.09zimmit depends what you want to use the machine for really
17:32.36dank_workHeh
17:32.37rich1981it's tiny - I just wanted to try linux
17:33.03zimmrich1981: so its just a desktop machine ?
17:33.12zimmyou use kde ? or gnome ?
17:33.31rich1981I wanted to try setting up a web server - the machine is too small to cope but I wanted to learn how - gnome
17:34.06dank_workEww
17:34.13zimmahh well , in that case woody will be ok i should think , the main differences at the mo are that sid (unstable) just got kde3.1 which is MUCH nicer than the 2.2.2 in woody .,
17:34.48zimmrich1981: a friend of mine runs apache on a ppro 200 , it manages fine
17:35.01rich1981I am not really looking for much at the moment I just wanted to try it out until I get a bigger system
17:35.36rich1981the spec is pentium 166mhz 95mb RAM and 3 gig --any chance?
17:36.02zimmheh maybe , ask dank_work he knows more about slow boxen than i do
17:36.22rich1981hey dan_work what are your veiws?
17:36.47zimmand with that spec, kde is out of the question anyway lol
17:36.55zimmit wuould craaaawl
17:37.04rich1981lucky I wasn't sure which to choose
17:37.11zimm:)
17:37.25zimminfact id reccomend that you install fluxbox ,,
17:37.33zimmwhich is VERY nmice and lightweight ,
17:37.41rich1981what and where?
17:37.57dank_workyah what?
17:38.06dank_workApache will run on a nice slow machine
17:38.08rich1981I am very open to trying different things
17:38.27rich1981dan_work: will it run on the above system?
17:38.34dank_workIt'll run on a 486
17:38.40rich1981so yeah
17:38.59dank_workIt might struggle a bit if you're having lots of CPU-intensive CGIs
17:39.09rich1981I checked with my isp and they support web servers
17:39.13dank_workBut, at a basic level, Apache just serves files over a network
17:39.23rich1981and I would only be hosting a simple site
17:39.40zimmyeh , should be ok then
17:39.52rich1981my skills aren't polished as yet
17:40.33rich1981well you guys really cheered me up- I thought it would be impossible
17:40.52rich1981should go and get on cheers again-seeya
17:40.57zimmlaters
17:42.07dank_workHe could write a simple webserver using bash and netcat
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17:45.19rich1981back already- it said the directory doesn't exsist
17:45.57rich1981(I do apologise for my bombardment of questions)
17:46.14zimmwhat directory /
17:46.16zimm?
17:46.25rich1981the xF86config
17:46.38dank_work<PROTECTED>
17:46.42dank_works/c/C
17:46.44zimmdo cd /etc/X11
17:46.45zimmthen ls
17:46.56zimmthen vi XF86Config-4
17:47.09zimm(as root)
17:47.13rich1981ok
17:47.29zimmdont frorget that bash is case sensitive
17:47.30rich1981does that just mean it is in a diferent location?
17:47.46dank_workNo. Unix is. Not bash
17:47.49rich1981yeah I managed to stick that in my head after last time
17:47.52zimmdank_work: well , yeh ..
17:49.21rich1981ok cheers guys
17:49.59dank_workNot with new2unix's brother?
17:50.13zimmim meeting him at 9pm ,
17:50.19zimmbut i realy need anotehr optoin
17:50.26zimmjust incase
17:51.31dank_workTravel out here, then :)
17:51.50zimmwhat is the rent in beaconsfield ?
17:51.58zimmgenerally ..
17:52.03zimmfor a student stle dive
17:52.18zimm50-60/week ? or more ?
17:52.31dank_workErr. Don't think you can get such in Beaconsfield. You'd have to look at Wycombe
17:52.36zimmheheh
17:52.36dank_work(there's the College there)
17:52.38zimmyeh ..
17:52.45dank_workAnd that's only a few miles away
17:52.49zimmBeaconsfield is a bit posh ,,
17:52.54dank_workOh yah :)
17:53.01dank_workArtificially so, though
17:53.17zimmyeh hehe
17:53.50zimmsee if i moved out of london , id have to be saving at least 20-30/week on rent to be able to cover the extra travel costs ,
17:53.53dank_workBut if you're studying in London, it makes sense to stay in London
17:53.58dank_workHahah.
17:54.11dank_workTravel to London will cost you more than 20-30 a week
17:54.12zimmyeh , but i never go to lectures anyway lol
17:54.15dank_work:)
17:55.00zimmi mean , i went to uni yesterday .,.. and look what happened  !
17:55.10zimmits hardly educational is it
17:55.17dank_workShould teach you not to get so drunk
17:55.24zimm9am-10am , sleep ,,
17:55.32zimmrest of day pool + beer + gin
17:55.50dank_work:)
17:57.07zimmhehe
18:01.39zimmfsck loads of terrorist convictions at airports ,,,
18:07.02dank_workYeah
18:07.06dank_workAnyway, I'm off home
18:07.08dank_workCU
18:07.10zimmlaters dank_work
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18:14.15zimmfsck me 40 press-ups is hard
18:14.28murbwhy are you doing 40 press ups?
18:14.34zimmi was bored
18:14.53zimmi used to be able to do that easy ..
18:15.06zimmguess ive spent too long sitting in front of a pc
18:15.17murbnow have a shower.
18:15.51zimmhehe
18:15.56zimm"yes mum"
18:16.03stephenibot lart Computer Services
18:16.32TarragonLarting in one thing but that is just cruel
18:16.46zimmhehe
18:18.57zacharyTarragon: agreed!
18:20.43Stephenthey disabled my internet connection for 24 hours
18:20.59zimmStephen: that SUX
18:21.01Stephenso, understandably, i'm pretty pissed
18:21.12zimmwhat was their reason ?
18:22.45Stephen'reckless overloading of the university network'
18:22.55zimmLOL
18:23.10zimmfack em , you have a phone line in your room ?
18:23.20Stephenyeah, never used it though
18:23.29zimmcos thats how we got round it at keele
18:23.30Stephendon't have a modem neither
18:23.58zimmthey wouldnt set up p2p or ftp on ethernet , so we set up a secondary lan on hte phone lines ..
18:24.30Stephencool, well, the problem is that I don't have ANY p2p programs on my computer
18:24.45zimmif they blocked my room , i dialled into the room next door , lol , and got out that way , and vice versa ,, hehe
18:25.37Stephencool, well, I'm going to got and flame the hell out of the guy that got my connection disabled
18:26.03zimmyeh , kneecapping has untold therapeutic properties
18:27.33Stephenyeah, I'm just going to get him to show me the logs of my traffic and prove that i've been using p2p, which (of course) he won't be able to
18:27.57zimmthey do any port blocking at brookes ?
18:28.07zimmcos keele was locked right down ..
18:28.16murbbrookes used to be wide open
18:28.52murbyou used to be able to nfs mount cs3 over the internet
18:29.48Stephendon't think that there is any port blocking
18:30.04zimmtehy werer like , "its always been blocked" , and we were like wtf ? it worked this morning ..
18:30.27Stephenlol
18:30.30murbis brookes still ECN broken?
18:30.33zimmhehe , they even had port 21 blocked ,
18:30.43Stephenport 21? bloody hell
18:30.48zimmyeh no ftp
18:30.57zimmfscker eh ?
18:31.07zimmcouldnt even admin remote sites ffs
18:31.23Stephenit's probably cos i've downloaded like 3 isos in the past couple of weeks
18:31.41zimmStephen: thats less than if you listened to net-radio though
18:31.57zimm128k for a day is over a gig
18:32.08Stephenyeah, it could be that I use IRC, it's actually banned
18:32.16zimmbanned ?
18:32.26zimmwell how the fsck do they exect to enforce that ?
18:32.35Stepheni'm only on now cos i've sshed into my shell server and am using BitchX
18:32.40zimmunles htey start blocking every port known to man
18:33.09Stephenwell, they disable mIRC between 10:00 and 21:00 and the AUP (or whatever) states that chat is banned between those times
18:33.31zimmwtf ?
18:33.33murbstephen: do you log key strokes still?
18:33.37murbs/you/they/
18:33.47zimmmurb: thats scary !
18:33.50murbis it a packet filter or do they run a program looking for things called mirc.exe
18:33.51Stephennot as far as i'm aware
18:34.01murbzimm: they certainly used to claim to.
18:34.05Stephenbut they probably wouldn't tell us if they did
18:34.06murbs/zimm/stephen/
18:34.11murbStephen: are you doing CS?
18:34.24Stephenyep
18:36.30murbStephen: is nfs still wide open in cms?
18:36.37zimmanyone here into weird music ?
18:36.51Leedshebrew music?
18:37.02zimmhebrew ?
18:37.10zimmnah, just weird ,
18:37.16SpudUAwayTarragon like Aqua.
18:37.27zimmhehe..
18:38.04zimmwell , a mate of mine recently sent me a cd of some tracks he recorded in his bedroom ,,,
18:38.30zimmso ,, any feedbacki be it good or bad is welcomed
18:38.38zimmhttp://zimm.fudo.org/Files/cai/
18:38.46Stephenanyway, sorry, gotta go, win98 BSODed on me..
18:39.02SpudUAwayDepends, did he get a lot of feedback in his bedroom?
18:39.07zimmhaha
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18:41.37SpudUAwayHe'll have to be careful with 'Insomniac' - trades descriptions act and all that - it had me straight off.
18:42.02zimmhehe #
18:42.35SpudUAwayI'll listen later, pwomise!
18:42.43zimmok man .. np
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19:00.38TarragonThere is NOTHING wrong with Aqua. It is refined and for the discerning ear. A true aural experience
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19:06.58zimmTarragon: lol
19:07.11Huhnwb armijn
19:09.10armijnhiya
19:13.14natTarragon: do you listen to the cartoons too?
19:13.42armijnmy dad is just discovering the Internet...and wants his own machine to surf on the Internet...
19:14.05armijnwould be fun to see how well Linux would work for a totally non-technical person
19:14.17zimmwith kde3.1 , it would be ok
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19:14.56armijnzimm: I was thinking about a minimal GNOME 2.2, webbrowser, OpenOffice.org, some sound stuff, xsane...
19:15.32nathttp://shop.conics.net/   <--- that chap in japan who sells lots of tiny laptops
19:15.36zimmi would go kde3.1 for a n00b win convert ..
19:15.53armijnzimm: he's no win convert...he's new to computers :)
19:16.02zimmahh fsiry nuff
19:24.42armijnso I'm wondering how that will work out
19:25.18armijnuse a journalling filesystem, so he can easily power-off, etc.
19:32.04zimmahaha
19:32.12zimmibot: lart dpash
19:33.48armijndpash: why lart?
19:34.21zimmibot: lart gnome
19:34.24zimmibot: lart gnome12
19:34.28zimmerr
19:34.30zimmibot: lart gnome2
19:35.33dpasharmijn: I may have missed part of the conversation, but journalling fs is not designed so you can just turn machines off
19:36.06armijndpash: true, but you can still use it for that :)
19:36.11formihello
19:36.25formianybody good with postfix in here?
19:37.09dpasharmijn: no, you will knacker your machine
19:37.15dpashformi: ask cupis
19:37.24dpasharmijn: what fs are you using?
19:38.10armijndpash: Linux, FreeBSD
19:38.19armijnoh d'oh...
19:38.23armijnsomeone lart me
19:38.36Huhnibot: lart armijn
19:38.44Huhnlol
19:38.54armijndpash: nothing yet...just wondering which one is more suitable, XFS or ext3
19:39.06Huhnext3
19:39.15zimmext3
19:39.16armijnfor large datafiles? like audio?
19:39.28dpashext3 does not do data journaling by default
19:39.43dpashyou need to turn it on using a module param
19:40.17dpashplus one of the recent stable kernels has bug with that
19:40.43armijnwell, not sure if we go for Linux or FreeBSD with UFS2
19:43.30armijnprobably Linux...also not sure whether we take a standard distro or use LFS and completely tweak it
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19:45.56armijnand, there's the issue of data migration from a MacWrite II to OpenOffice.org...
19:46.10TarragonCartoons! No way. bunch of wannabe miming made for profit groups who don't understand music
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20:04.32dank_workHi dankolb
20:05.02dankolbHi all
20:05.08Huhnhi dankolb -- download broke down, I'm sorry
20:05.13dankolbDid it?
20:05.13Davilionhi dan
20:05.16dankolbHi Dave
20:05.30Huhndankolb: I think the file is not complete, we can try again tomorrow
20:05.39Davilionhows it going?
20:05.45dankolbThe file is still going
20:05.56dankolbI've been better.
20:06.42dankolbWhat about you?
20:07.17Davilionits rather cold here, our central heating is not heating at all.
20:07.30dankolbAhh
20:08.13Davilionim ok, i may be about to be told im over qualified.
20:08.16Davilionwhich is kinda shite.
20:08.50dankolbHmm
20:09.04HuhnICEsee you later
20:09.06dankolbSo you're too good for them?
20:09.08HuhnICEI'm off, ice hockey training
20:09.08dankolbBye HuhnICE
20:09.10dankolbHave fun
20:09.16dankolbDon't break yourself :)
20:09.32HuhnICEwill try ;)
20:09.35armijn(mental note: don't enrage Huhn)
20:09.59Daviliondankolb: the problem is, its annoying because i would like the job, but i think they want somebody more junior.
20:10.07dankolbAhh.
20:10.16dankolbSomeone who's not better than the guy who breaks things?
20:11.32Davilionyeah, i suspect they are looking for somebody who has just graduated etc.
20:11.36Davilionim not sure its hard to tell
20:11.47dankolbIs this your current job, or a new one?
20:11.51Davilionnew one
20:12.05dankolbAhh
20:12.10dankolbSo at least you have your current one
20:12.21dankolbWhat, and where, is the new job?
20:13.01Davilioni think they may have trouble affording me as well, i dont mind a very small pay cut and losing the company car, since i wouldnt need to drive to work and back and it would be cheaper to live in glasgow, and work less hours, but i like earning.
20:13.01Davilionits a perl programmer/sysadmin type job in central glasgow.
20:13.04Davilionwhich is a good start for moving back somewhere i enjoy living
20:13.54dankolbCool :)
20:14.26dankolbI preferred Edinburgh
20:14.39Davilionmy current job is secure, im just not happy in leamington, and i have some issues with our customers and the way the company is run sometimes
20:14.39Davilionbut we'll see
20:14.48dankolbGood luck, anyway
20:15.02dankolbBut I guess that means I wouldn't see you at any Gllug meetings, if you go
20:15.25Davilionthe other option iw ould consider is working part time, then i could do lots of private consulting, i dont have enough customers to go fiull time but i spend 14 hours a week on private work at the moment
20:15.42dankolb:)
20:17.16Davilionthe only reason for moving back to glasgwo is thats where my friends are.
20:17.16Davilionedinburghs a nicer city
20:17.27armijnhmm, I should go through my record collection more often. Put on a record I had for a while, but never played and it's just too good :)
20:18.58dankolbAh. Fair enough
20:19.21dankolbCan be useful, instead of using iTunes, which copies all the files onto the hard disk
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20:35.39unclexlo formi
20:35.49formilo
20:35.53formiprivate
20:35.58unclexhe was quick
20:36.01unclexok
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20:36.33dankolbwb
20:36.45new2unixhello all, again
20:36.50new2unixhi Formi
20:37.13new2unixhello ibot
20:37.25new2unixibot hello
20:37.25niihau
20:37.41formihi new2unix
20:37.43new2unixibot R U Chinese?
20:37.44new2unix: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
20:38.02dankolbibot hello
20:38.02what's up, dankolb
20:38.23new2unixibot hello
20:38.23hi, new2unix
20:38.32new2unixthanks.  lol
20:42.03natDavilion: where about are you in leamington?
20:42.18dankolbDav isn't here
20:42.28natoh he's gone, didn't read the rest, doh!
20:42.31new2unixibot nat
20:42.32rumour has it, nat is Masquerading on linux, http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-4.html and ICS for that Bill thingie, http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics
20:42.46dankolb:)
20:42.49new2unixHmmm
20:43.01dankolbibot nat is also Network Address Translation
20:43.02okay, dankolb
20:43.05dankolbibot nat
20:43.05extra, extra, read all about it, nat is Masquerading on linux, http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-4.html and ICS for that Bill thingie, http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics.  Network Address Translation
20:44.10new2unixbrb
20:47.51SpudUAwayHas anyone seen anything on the gllug mail list since 15.50ish today?
20:50.55dankolbdunno
20:51.57unclexdid you get that formi?
20:52.14unclexBTopen world
20:52.15new2unixaccording to: http://list.ftech.net/pipermail/gllug/2003-February.txt the last message was sent to the list at around, 15:56
20:52.56new2unixibot spuduaway
20:52.57well, spuduaway is smoking crack
20:53.09new2unixobviously
20:53.26new2unixHi Spud :)
20:54.18SpudULikeHi de hi.
20:54.32new2unixibot spudulike
20:54.33spudulike is, like, just 'zis guy, you know!
20:55.16zacharySpudULike: 'ibot' knows you too well.
20:55.18zachary:)
20:55.21SpudULikeibot SpudUAway is SpudULike
20:55.22...but spuduaway is already something else...
20:55.31SpudULikeibot SpudUAway is also SpudULike
20:55.32SpudULike: okay
20:56.13zacharyibot SpudUAway
20:56.17spuduaway is probably smoking crack.  SpudULike
20:56.29SpudULikeBah!
20:56.40zacharyyou can't hide!
20:57.12SpudULikeNo, obviously, you can always see the plume of smoke.
20:58.06SpudULikeFormi, make you connector?
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21:33.00unclexcya
21:41.43zacharyi'm off to bed, good night!
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22:03.05formihey jenson
22:03.16Jensonhey formi
22:03.27formiis your connection working fine?
22:03.44JensonSo far yeah
22:04.05JensonBT has been on amber server status last 2 days, dunno whether it's cleared yet
22:04.10SpudULikeHey I asked Formi that earlier, got no reply.
22:04.24formihow did you ask to?
22:04.41formime, mua ?
22:04.47Jensonhey SpudULike
22:04.48SpudULike20:58 <SpudULike> Formi, make you connector?
22:04.55SpudULikeHey J!
22:05.07formiSpudULike: stop smoking
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22:05.20Jensonhey Davilion
22:05.28dav_freezinghi Jenson
22:05.41JensonNice nick
22:06.02dav_freezingyeah, its soooooooooo cold here
22:06.06dav_freezingcentral heating packed in
22:06.18formiSpudULike: one thing is an "internet connection" and another thing is a "serial cable"
22:06.47SpudULikeSemantics aside, is the cable working?
22:06.53forminope
22:07.08formiis pissing me
22:07.41Jenson:)
22:08.27SpudULikeWhat is the cable for?
22:11.18formito connect the sparc to a pc
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22:12.00SpudULikeOver a serial line?
22:12.31Jensonhi new2unix
22:13.04dav_freezingJenson: define hair cut? like hair cut off? or trimmed?
22:13.44formiSpud; do you remenber us buying the bits yesterday
22:13.47formi???????????
22:13.48Jensondav_freezing: Hair cut off lol
22:13.56JensonI just clicked on a link
22:13.59Jensonand got presented with
22:14.00dav_freezingheh, short?
22:14.14JensonPlease Install the latest version of IE or netscape
22:14.26Jensondav_freezing: Like chin length
22:14.45SpudULikeformi: Yeah, but I don't know what the Sparc has that you are connecting too.
22:14.56formia db25 serial port
22:15.21dav_freezingJenson: you like it?
22:16.05formiJenson: don't worry, we will have a laugh at the next meeting ;->
22:16.27Jensonyeah dav_freezing
22:16.28dav_freezingheh
22:16.31dav_freezingJenson: cool.
22:16.34SpudULikeDo you have a serial port tester?
22:16.36Jensonyeah formi, I might just hit ya though
22:16.41dav_freezingJenson: alls you need now is a camera so we can all see it
22:16.52dav_freezingooh which reminds me, any photos of you+dan from last meeting?
22:17.09Jensondav_freezing: I get Dan to take a photo on saturday for ya hon
22:17.14Jensonyeah dav_freezing
22:17.16Jensonlemme find link
22:17.32formiSpudULike: nope
22:17.32dank_workErr....what photo do you want to send him?
22:17.56Jensonhttp://alumni.ox.compsoc.net/~agk/Photos/GLLUG/GLLUG_People/
22:17.59Jensondone it
22:17.59Jensonlol
22:18.03SpudULikeI will try and find mine for tomorrow, it may give you some clue.
22:19.04dav_freezingheheh, i want to be able to compare before+after heh
22:21.47dank_workHoq short is short?
22:21.58dav_freezingskin head
22:22.39JensonAlthough I gotta go watch Tarrant on tv soon
22:25.12dav_freezingright im off to heat up.
22:25.12dav_freezingbbl
22:25.59Jenson:)
22:26.17formihttp://alumni.ox.compsoc.net/~agk/Photos/Consume.net/full/C0678.jpg
22:26.39dank_workBut how many do you wwant Dave to see?
22:26.41formiSpudULike: remenber that i told you kim had sold me me his soldering iron
22:26.50SpudULikeYeah.
22:26.58formithat is a photo of what he was selling
22:27.01Jensondank_work: Dave will see what I choose to show him :P
22:27.13dank_workOr what I send him
22:27.38SpudULikeJ - You gonna come to the pub after the meet?
22:28.30JensonSpudULike: I'm hoping too, leasy for a littlw qhi;e
22:28.37Jensonleast and while lol
22:29.05SpudULikeWhat time do you need to start heading back?
22:29.41Jensonleave pub by quarter to eight
22:29.46Jensonso i dont miss the last star out
22:29.48SpudULikeFormi - I can't quite make the iron out, but it does look like a nice pile of wires.
22:29.54Jensons/star/train
22:30.03SpudULikeHave you thought of alternatives?
22:30.11SpudULikeJ - Have you thought of alternatives?
22:30.24JensonSpudULike: Don't think there is any
22:30.37formiSpudULike: that was after i got it
22:30.41SpudULikeJ - You could always stay overnight in London.
22:30.43dank_workGet picked up at Marks Tey?
22:30.57JensonYeah SpudULike, good idea
22:31.06formibrb
22:31.21Jensonstay
22:31.38forminot in my place ;->
22:31.46SpudULikeDan'll pay surely.
22:31.53dank_workwell....if you didn't waste money on the mobile so much
22:32.03dank_workSpudULike: Pay for what?
22:32.22SpudULikeAccommodation for J to stay in London overnight.
22:32.30dank_workright...
22:32.35Jensonlol
22:33.40SpudULikeDan, you could stay overnight too, then you two could do stuff in London on Sunday.
22:34.08dank_workUhhuh
22:34.32dank_workbye
22:34.36SpudULikeYou don't want to do stuff on Sunday?
22:34.57dank_workDunno
22:35.09dank_workDepends how she behaves on Saturday
22:35.32dank_work;-)
22:35.41dank_workAnd neither am I
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22:43.06TarragonHi Paul
22:43.15cupishi Tarragon
22:49.46*** join/#gllug resuDaed_ssh (tom@pc-80-193-187-194-en.blueyonder.co.uk)
22:50.10resuDaed_sshI am fscking tired !!!
22:50.33TarragonWhy?
22:51.21resuDaed_sshI worked today
22:51.49TarragonNew job?
22:52.07resuDaed_sshtemporary job, but it brings in some money t the end of the day
22:52.26resuDaed_sshI left @ 5.30 thismorning, and got back 8.30pm
22:52.29TarragonSo that's good then. Honest work
22:52.49resuDaed_sshbar work at various race courses
22:53.18resuDaed_sshtoday (and tomorrow) Sandown, Saturday Ascot, Sunday - Friday I cannot remeber where I am
22:53.39TarragonSandown IOW?
22:53.46resuDaed_sshIOW?
22:53.56TarragonIsle of Wight
22:54.21resuDaed_sshnah, off the A3 I think
22:54.55resuDaed_sshround the M25 (from enfield), past heathrow
22:55.07TarragonThat's OK then
22:55.20resuDaed_sshoh, and I am working @ Cheltnam Gold Cup
22:55.35resuDaed_ssh(*fun*) <- sarcastic voice, going to be hell
22:56.05SpudULikeIn the posh bar or beer tent?
22:56.13resuDaed_sshposh bar
22:56.18resuDaed_sshwhat do you take me for?
22:56.23SpudULikeYou swank you!
22:56.25resuDaed_ssh(oh, I forget, you've met me)
22:57.14SpudULikeAh, giddy up horsey.
22:57.38new2unixwoops. am back
22:58.00new2unixsome guy just picked up the laptop i advertised on the list
22:58.15resuDaed_sshnot nice sight, a horse didn't make it over a jump and seriously damaged its back during the first race
22:58.20new2unixwas sad to see it go.  had an uptime of 202 days.
22:58.50resuDaed_ssh22:57:30 up 36 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
22:58.55resuDaed_ssh:-)
22:59.07new2unixia that all?
22:59.16resuDaed_ssh(me tripped fuse ealier with the iron :-)
22:59.21new2unixthree users == three fingers?
23:00.03resuDaed_ssh1 x root, 2 x tom ... ssh-ing because I cannot be arsed to clear contents from my chair
23:00.30new2unixresuDaed: were you working for Sodexho?
23:00.58new2unixi worked at Lords for them duing the same thing last summer.
23:01.03resuDaed_sshsort of, I was for an events agency subcrontacted by sodexho
23:01.09resuDaed_ssh(we get paid more :-)
23:01.10new2unixcool
23:01.14new2unix:p
23:01.40resuDaed_sshmoust of the sodexho staff I was with were on minimum wage, us on £5.50 ph
23:02.19new2unixnah. i think i was on 7:30  but i was working in the Cash Office as an Accounts Assnt.
23:02.24new2unixboring as hell.
23:02.40resuDaed_sshso was the bar today, hardly any punters
23:03.13new2unixThey do make a lot. i remember taking in quarter of a M in cash.
23:03.18resuDaed_ssh(also boring as hell, but a change none the less)
23:03.34new2unixbut that was over three days
23:03.35resuDaed_sshwb Jenson
23:03.41new2unixhello J
23:03.48new2unixhows the skin head?
23:03.53Jensoncongrats on finding a job resuDaed_ssh
23:03.58resuDaed_sshskin head?
23:03.59Jensonlol new2unix it isnt a skinhead lmao
23:04.11resuDaed_sshJenson : you shaved all your hair off?
23:04.17Jensonno lol
23:04.26Jensonthey just seem to have twisted it to mean that
23:04.32new2unixJenson: are the tatoos on your skull visible?
23:04.32Jensonits like chin length lol
23:04.48JensonAnd hey Tarragon BTW
23:05.16resuDaed_sshnote the `#'
23:05.35resuDaed_ssh(remind me when the time comes)
23:06.07JensonresuDaed_ssh: I'll be there, I'll remind you
23:06.13resuDaed_sshnot a crate, around 6 a day
23:06.15cupisresuDaed_ssh: we will
23:06.18resuDaed_ssh;-D
23:06.42new2unixJ, how will we recognise you?
23:06.51resuDaed_sshno seriously though, most of you I owe a drink, and I forget who, so I'll buy you all one (limited to those I have spoken to more than once on irc)
23:06.54new2unixOh yeah.  GI Jane
23:07.01SpudULikeCrate of Bolli !
23:07.21resuDaed_sshalso, up to and including the value of £1.50 each :-)
23:07.24resuDaed_ssh:p
23:07.32JensonresuDaed_ssh: You don't owe me a drink, but I'm a girl so you can by me one anyway :P
23:07.41resuDaed_sshcoke all round :-)
23:08.01new2unixi'm vegetarian. i donk take coke
23:08.04Jensonnew2unix: I think yall know what I look like.....and I'll get Dan to take pics of my new haircut on saturday
23:08.05resuDaed_sshall I remember is that I owe Clyphox about 5
23:08.29JensonresuDaed_ssh: Don't by zimm a drink, I don't want him drinking
23:08.36Jensons/by/buy
23:08.51resuDaed_sshdepends if he turns up, he didn't make it to last#gllug
23:08.59resuDaed_sshand he did fix my nvidia drivers
23:09.01Jensonhe did to december though
23:09.05Jensonhe says he'll be there
23:09.09Jensoni havent met him yet
23:09.14resuDaed_ssheye69 I owe one
23:09.24new2unixwhen's the next meeting?
23:09.32JensonresuDaed_ssh: You prbably owe me one for texting Beth for you :)
23:09.37Jensonnew2unix: Read the topic
23:09.45new2unix:p
23:10.03resuDaed_sshJenson : you are 18 now aren't you?
23:10.33new2unixon Saturday?
23:10.35TarragonHoi Jenson
23:10.47JensonresuDaed_ssh:  yeah
23:11.18resuDaed_sshdamn, that means I can't buy you a soft drink
23:11.30resuDaed_sshhouse vodka *2 and a can of red bull :-)
23:11.40JensonresuDaed_ssh: Most likely can, otherwise I'll wanna pee on the train every 5 mins
23:11.46JensonUnless I stay in London that night
23:11.50Jensonwhich seems unlikely
23:11.58SpudULikeWhy unlikely?
23:12.16JensonSpudULike: Coz I have nowhere to stay and no money
23:12.26resuDaed_sshJenson : I'm sure oneof us will lend you a sofa
23:12.29SpudULikeDan'll pay.
23:12.29JensonUnless I take up residence in my aunties living room
23:12.32new2unixspud, why dont you clear the dodgy stuff under your bed and create space for J?
23:12.47JensonSpudULike: Dan won't pay, that isn't fair.
23:12.56resuDaed_sshnew2unix : he doesn't have anywhere else to put those magazines
23:13.08TarragonSpudULike: I get to sleep under your bed??
23:13.13JensonresuDaed_ssh: I wouldn't be allowed to stay with anyone
23:13.21new2unixthe Linux Magazine?
23:13.37resuDaed_sshI was thinking server porn actually
23:13.47resuDaed_ssh:p
23:14.01SpudULikeWe have hostels in London.
23:14.37resuDaed_sshapparantly we do, I heard the same rumour
23:14.37SpudULikeNot as cheap as Brussels, but cheap.
23:14.54JensonAh SpudULike, but if I stay in London, then I'll drink at the pub, and get flirty with certian members of this chat that I'm interested in.
23:15.02resuDaed_sshI could charge you for the use of my sofa, and call it a hostel?
23:15.13Jensonlol resuDaed_ssh
23:15.18resuDaed_sshJenson : most of us?
23:15.23resuDaed_ssh(joking)
23:15.30Jensonlol resuDaed_ssh no not ,ost of you
23:15.44SpudULikeALL of us?
23:15.54JensonSpudULike: Nope lol
23:15.56resuDaed_sshwe are all 'geek guys'
23:16.15TarragonBut we all expect you to flirt with dan
23:16.20JensonTarragon: True
23:16.28Jensonlol
23:17.05resuDaed_sshand dan is a member of this channel and probably wouldn't be offended if you flirted with him
23:17.07Jenson:) new2unix
23:17.22JensonresuDaed_ssh: Yeah, it's 2 or 3 other guys he's worried about me flirting with
23:17.40JensonDan is my baby :)
23:17.43resuDaed_sshzimm?
23:17.52JensonI'm not telling who though....
23:18.05resuDaed_sshcupis?
23:18.07new2unixgosh. it seems you dont trust yourself as much as D trusts you.
23:18.17cupisresuDaed_ssh: you rang?
23:18.18resuDaed_ssh(I think she does)
23:18.24Jensonnew2unix: I know what I'm like lol
23:18.28new2unixs/cupis/cupid
23:18.30JensonHe doesn't trust me
23:18.40resuDaed_sshcupis : no, just trying to work out who Jenson would flirt with
23:18.47Jensonbut that's what I get for cheating on him a while back
23:18.50cupisnew2unix: yup, I've got a big day tomorrow - going to be busy :)
23:18.56new2unixlol
23:19.02cupisresuDaed_ssh: ah - well she doesn't know me, so...
23:19.25JensonWell it's more the people I've spoken to on the phone
23:19.40Jensonnd an email
23:19.46resuDaed_sshdavillion/me that I know of
23:19.50new2unixcupis: could you get me lucky tomorrow? i really need to let off...
23:19.53resuDaed_ssh(oops)
23:19.58new2unixsteam tommorow
23:20.33resuDaed_sshcommand to list users in channel (bitchx)
23:20.43resuDaed_ssh?
23:20.50JensonresuDaed_ssh: use irssi intead
23:20.53cupisnew2unix: that depends - are you offering to buy beers as well?
23:21.04JensonresuDaed_ssh: isn't it /whois #gllug
23:21.09new2unixCupis: why dont you just ask us to raise our hands if we hear you?
23:21.33JensonresuDaed_ssh: I've spokemn on the phone to Dan, Dave, zimm yoiu and Beth
23:21.35new2unixermmm... the last gllugite i bought a bear refuse to drink it. :(
23:21.50cupisnew2unix: excuse me?
23:21.51resuDaed_sshJenson : no you can't have beth
23:22.10cupisnew2unix: ah, I get it.
23:22.11resuDaed_sshnew2unix : definatly wasn't me
23:22.31new2unixsaid he didnt drink. thought he was kidding. i think i gave it away. wasnt too pleased.
23:22.56JensonresuDaed_ssh: I dunno, she might be interested, she's a little that way inclined
23:23.04new2unixwas at the last meeting. yu werent there.
23:23.30zimm|outnew2unix: weird ci ty !!!!!
23:23.37zimmhi Jenson
23:23.39Jensonlol zimm
23:23.43new2unixhi zimm.
23:23.47Jensoni mean wb zimm
23:23.47new2unixhow was the flat?
23:23.48Jensonnot lol
23:23.50resuDaed_sshhi zimm
23:24.02zimmnew2unix: dude .. your little bro is on mjy course at greenwich !!1
23:24.10Jenson:) zimm
23:24.12new2unixreally?
23:24.18zimmyeh Victor innit
23:24.24new2unixthought you were a geek.
23:24.30zimmdoing philosophy at greenwich ,,
23:24.32new2unixHERETIC
23:24.36new2unixBurn him
23:24.44new2unixoff with his head.
23:24.45new2unixlol
23:24.50zimmmuahaha
23:25.10zimmhe lives up avery hill ..
23:25.13zimmright ?
23:25.16new2unixdoes he know you?
23:25.20zimmnah ,,,
23:25.23zimmhehe
23:25.37zimmim queit , antisocial , and hardly ever turn up
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23:26.06new2unixi've just givne him my dell lappy. perhaps i can refer him to you for helpdesk support.
23:26.06zimmwb Jenson
23:26.13Jensonty zi
23:26.15zimmnew2unix: feel free
23:26.18Jensonzimm:
23:26.20Jensonfuck
23:26.23Jensoncant fucking type
23:26.23zimmlol
23:26.34zimmJenson:  awwww
23:26.50new2unixdid Jenson swear just now?
23:26.54Jensonlol
23:26.55Jensonnope
23:27.15zimmnew2unix: yeh anyway , i move in with your bro on saturday
23:27.15new2unixjeez. what a let down. and there i was thinking she was a lady. how wrong i was
23:27.35Jensonnew2unix: Lady maybe not, but I'm a woman.....wnna check?
23:28.20resu_noodle_cookJenson : I'll give you access to my http server if you would like to show us :-)
23:28.22new2unixJenson: nice. i'd like a weekly report on my desk detailing his every move.
23:28.34Jensonaww zimm you wanna check instead
23:28.43new2unixwoops. not Jenson.  Zimm
23:28.48Jensonlol resu_noodle_cook, try asking Dan
23:29.01zimmnew2unix: lol
23:29.14resu_noodle_cookwhat, ask dan if he'll put evidence online?
23:29.31Jensonlol resu_noodle_cook, if he did I'd kill him
23:30.01new2unixis that you, jenson, in the link you provided earlier?
23:30.05resu_noodle_cookand if you did, he'd kill you
23:30.20Jensonyeah new2unix
23:30.20new2unixyou are rather tiny, arent you?
23:30.26Jensonlol new2unix
23:30.31new2unixalmost pocket sized, if you asked me
23:30.38Jensonresu_noodle_cook: Only ones that he's on lol
23:31.35new2unixresu_noodle_cook: which of your pockets would you put Jenson in?
23:31.50new2unixok. dont answer that one
23:31.57zimmLOL
23:32.11resu_noodle_cook;-D
23:32.35murbJenson: to do that it helps if you shutup
23:32.41Jensonlol murb
23:32.48innocent_newbiegooday all
23:32.51Jenson:)
23:33.03innocent_newbiewhat time is it in London?
23:33.19new2unixnope. not that again.
23:33.21new2unixhell no.
23:33.22Dynamitelol
23:33.24zimmlol
23:34.04JensonOh well
23:34.17Jensonlol resuDaed_ssh
23:34.23Tarragonnew2unix: Time in Lodon is 11:30pm
23:34.34JensonHe is in lndon lol
23:34.38Jensonlondon
23:34.39new2unixhaha
23:35.01JensonTarragon: Is time distorted in erm Royston Vasey :D
23:35.04resuDaed_sshsh¡t, I need to be sleeping soon
23:35.34new2unixok. i have a heavy day of archiving and backups to do in 9hours.
23:35.35Jensonme too
23:35.36resuDaed_sshmust get up @ 5.45 tomorrow
23:35.37TarragonYes we are 6 mins behind
23:35.48Jensonewww resuDaed_ssh why?
23:36.18resuDaed_sshTarragon : wasn't that form of local time abolished with the advent of the train timetable?
23:36.28new2unixhe needs to pack his tricycle with bottles of bear from the bar to give out on Saturday
23:36.46TarragonOnly if you get trains
23:37.03resuDaed_sshVictorian era I think, the whole of the uk moved to GMT
23:37.12new2unixresuDaed_ssh:  remember the 11th commandment  "Thy shalt not be caught"
23:37.36new2unixask mitnick. lol
23:37.37TarragonVictoria ? she new then
23:37.54new2unixok. raise your hand if you want to go to bed?
23:38.11resuDaed_sshmy hand is raised, but I am still eating
23:38.39JensonRight then, me, resuDaed_ssh and new2unix it is then lol
23:38.40new2unixermm... Jenson. you were too quick. i actually meant. individual beds.
23:38.50Jensonnew2unix: Yeah I want that tyoo
23:39.01zimmlol
23:39.02new2unixi am getting slightly worried about you.
23:39.12zimmnew2unix: slightly ?
23:39.15Jensonlol
23:39.21new2unixIs there a doctor in the house?
23:39.47JensonI aint this bad IRL
23:39.47cupisnew2unix: not until midnight
23:40.01resuDaed_sshwho is getting up ridiculously early tomoroow morning (pre 6am)
23:40.14zimmman i still cant get over the fact that someone i meet randomly online , has a brother who has a house taht i need ,, and another brother who is on my course at uni .. its just too dfamn freaky
23:40.29resuDaed_sshJenson : I'll be halfway around london by then
23:40.35new2unixcupis:  do you change at midnight? you the geek warewolf from newyork?
23:40.46murbis anyone going into london on saturday?
23:40.46JensonresuDaed_ssh: what fun
23:40.50cupisnew2unix: not normally, but I do tonight
23:40.55Jensonnope murb I was but I'm not now
23:41.12murbwhy not?
23:41.28Jensoncoz Dan is probably coming here instead of us goping to london
23:41.29murbreddwarf.
23:41.49new2unixzimm: its not freaky at all. i work for the feds. i have been watching you. You are the chosen one. Choose the red ball...
23:42.07zimmrofl
23:42.22zimmnew2unix: dude dont play with my mind , im paranoid enuff as it is
23:42.45zimmhehe
23:43.07zimmyeh well , feds or not , i still need a place to stay
23:43.11Jenson:)
23:43.56zimmgrrr passworded name
23:44.04neoheheh
23:44.06zimmlol
23:44.54TrinityI always wanted to get in touvh with my feminine side
23:45.06Huhnre
23:45.10neoTrinity: dammit bitch that means i have to err fancy you and shit
23:45.11Tarragonwb
23:45.13agent_smithhi Huhn
23:45.21zimmwb Huhn
23:45.23Huhnhuh, Matrix time? :)
23:45.26Huhnthanks
23:45.31agent_smithHuhn: yup
23:45.44zimmI havent actually seen the Matrix AFAIR
23:45.53neozimm: lol
23:45.58zimmlol neo
23:46.18morpheuswho is who?
23:46.21zimmlol morpheus me too
23:46.26zimmk cupis
23:46.43morpheuswho are you, zimm?
23:46.43zimmlol
23:46.47zimmJenson
23:46.51morpheuszimm: are you zimm?
23:46.53Trinitya quickj whois identifies that zimm has in fact had a sex change to be zimm
23:46.58zimmlol
23:47.15morpheusoh dear.  lol
23:47.45neomuahahaha
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23:48.06Jensongrrr lol
23:48.09islol
23:48.10zimmawww
23:48.28Jensonlol new2unix
23:49.22zimmrofl
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23:50.19isdamn. im still "is"
23:51.36cupisre
23:51.58new2unixok. that was one helluva ride.
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23:52.10new2unixi feel dizzy already
23:52.20Tarragon:-( too late
23:52.20cupisnew2unix: again?
23:52.38resuBitchSurely not.
23:52.47Jensonok resubitch is John and Tarragon is Tom lol
23:53.44new2unixhi dan.
23:53.51*** part/#gllug Huhn ([tg4nuX6bP@guru164.netsonic.fi)
23:53.55new2unixi have something to tell you about J
23:53.59Jensonlol
23:54.34Jensonwell it says dankolb is beth, but I think its tom lol
23:54.37dankolbbut it dan who he says he is?
23:54.47cupisibot: do you know what is going on, and who is who?
23:54.48...but do you know what is already something else...
23:55.04zimmibot: do you now what
23:55.05zimm: are you using Windows?
23:55.05Jensonibot do you know what
23:55.06do you know what is, like, different in ibot's kernel available on the download section of the Tuxscreen web site and the regular 0.4 tuxscreen kernel. rsh is having problems getting his touch screen to work when using the standard 0.4 kernel?
23:55.11TarragonJenson : the bueaty of 'su'
23:55.16cupisibot: I'll take that as a no.
23:55.17parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, cupis
23:55.29new2unixlol
23:55.34cupisibot: why does that not come as a surprise to me?
23:55.35i don't know, cupis
23:56.10new2unixcupis: this is like playing chess aginst deep blue.
23:56.17resuBitch60,59,58,57,56....
23:56.40new2unixcountdown to...?
23:56.54new2unix...the next sex change?
23:56.57resuBitchzimm back in a minute
23:57.04resuDaed_sshtill he kills me
23:57.10Tarragon(me)
23:57.17cupismusical nicks... when will the music stop?
23:57.19TarragonI mean she
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23:57.23new2unixi am hungry
23:57.58TarragonresuDaed_ssh has just enjoyed some noodles
23:58.16new2unixKlienean: did you know that alian is an anagram for Klienean
23:58.32TarragonI am me again
23:58.32new2unixi am not who i think i am
23:58.41KlieneanI'm getting confused between clients now lol
23:58.59cupisTom is Tarragon, Jenson and new2unix are back to normal.
23:59.12cupisJohn is resuBitch
23:59.16*** join/#gllug formi (~formi@usr337-har.blueyonder.co.uk)
23:59.19Jensonhey formi
23:59.24Klieneanhey formi
23:59.26resuBitchHi Formi
23:59.29Tarragonhey formi
23:59.37formihey
23:59.38new2unixhey Formi.  u missed all the fun
23:59.44cupisformi: hi - people aren't necessarily who they appear to be - warning

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