| 00:00.03 | dankolb | Fair enough :) |
| 00:00.06 | zimm | hehe |
| 00:00.12 | zimm | laters man |
| 00:00.16 | dankolb | C'ya :) |
| 00:00.19 | dankolb | Take care |
| 00:00.25 | zimm | aye , and you |
| 00:00.30 | dankolb | Will do :) |
| 00:00.38 | dankolb | Actually, see you at the Installfest? |
| 00:00.49 | zimm | err , possibly |
| 00:01.03 | zimm | yeh , quite possible lol |
| 00:01.05 | dankolb | Okay. Well, let me know if you're coming or not :) |
| 00:01.09 | zimm | :) |
| 00:01.21 | dankolb | *and with that, he disappears into the ether* |
| 00:05.07 | Stephen | hmm, why the fuck won't my pascal procedure read a damn variable from stdin ffs |
| 00:06.27 | highbury | certain versions of pascal used to be very picky about reading from stdin, iirc |
| 00:08.24 | Stephen | hmm, this is a pretty recent version of FPC, and the same combination of lines work elsewhere in the program |
| 00:19.13 | highbury | "FPC" ? |
| 00:19.31 | Stephen | Free Pascal Compiler |
| 00:20.10 | Stephen | i should be doing this in delphi, but i cba to reboot into windows |
| 00:20.36 | highbury | all I can say, is that there'll probably be a semantic error somewhere, readln's are the usuall cause, iirc |
| 00:22.19 | zimm | ibot lart cheap speaker wire |
| 00:22.39 | Huhn | ibot: lart zimm's cheap speaker wire |
| 00:22.46 | Huhn | :) |
| 00:22.53 | zimm | hehe |
| 00:23.06 | Stephen | hmm, i'm using reads not readlns |
| 00:23.19 | zimm | hmm , wonder what else i should install to keep me busy for the next months or so .. |
| 00:23.41 | Huhn | dselect is old fashioned |
| 00:23.57 | zimm | yeh , but ,, its kinda fun , |
| 00:23.59 | highbury | remember Unix handles endofline differently than windows |
| 00:24.00 | zimm | in a twisted way |
| 00:24.19 | highbury | or more specifically Pascal under Unix handles .... |
| 00:24.21 | Huhn | mh.... |
| 00:24.35 | Stephen | highbury: but would that make a difference, all coding has been done under unix so far... |
| 00:25.52 | highbury | its worthwile printing out the value of end of line (i.e. whether true of false) just to check things are what you expect |
| 00:26.33 | highbury | or if there's a symbolic debugger for pascal available |
| 00:27.32 | Stephen | hmm, all i'm doing is a write and then a read, but it doesn't matter if all i have in the procedure is the read, it still just seems to skip it as if it doesn't exist |
| 00:28.21 | Stephen | anyway, i'll do it when i feel a bit fresher, cheers highbury |
| 00:28.38 | highbury | you welcome |
| 00:40.05 | murb | install gnat instead |
| 00:41.11 | highbury | gnat = Ada ? |
| 00:46.21 | murb | yep |
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| 00:46.54 | Leeds | anyone awake? |
| 00:46.59 | zimm | nope |
| 00:47.08 | Leeds | help! |
| 00:47.19 | Leeds | having a network problem - seen it before, can't remember what it was |
| 00:47.33 | eye69 | Leeds: Shoot |
| 00:47.42 | Leeds | I'm on my parent's Windows PC, connecting via Virgin ADSL using an ADSL router/hub |
| 00:48.18 | Leeds | the connection is fine, but I can only get small amounts of data down a connection - so, for example, I can ssh happily, but if I run something which dumps a load |
| 00:48.28 | Leeds | of data to the screen, it freezes half-way through... |
| 00:48.40 | eye69 | MTU? |
| 00:48.43 | Leeds | webpages start loading, but hang part-way throug |
| 00:48.45 | eye69 | (wild guess) |
| 00:48.55 | Leeds | I've tried to change the MTU on the ethernet of the PC... |
| 00:49.13 | Leeds | could be the MTU on the router - need to go into the CLI (rather than http-based admin interface) for that |
| 00:49.49 | eye69 | I've also seen that before...don't know if and if so how I fixed it though... |
| 00:49.59 | eye69 | Only seen it on Win.. |
| 00:50.17 | stephen | duplex settings? |
| 00:50.41 | eye69 | Yeah, could be duplex. Try locking down the speed/duplex of the card |
| 00:53.05 | eye69 | Anyway, I'm off to bed. Good luck with your troubleshooting. |
| 00:53.19 | Leeds | g'night |
| 00:53.28 | Leeds | trying to find where these settings are :-( |
| 00:57.21 | murb | are you filtering icmp inbound somwhere? |
| 00:59.04 | Leeds | no idea! :-) |
| 00:59.53 | Leeds | since the 'firewall' is turned off, I don't think so |
| 01:00.39 | murb | can you do a tcpdump while this behaviour is happening? |
| 01:01.36 | Leeds | not particularly... I'm on win98... |
| 01:04.57 | Huhn | re |
| 01:06.53 | zimm | wb Huhn |
| 01:07.02 | Huhn | *sigh* |
| 01:07.35 | Huhn | I'd not recommend being on the streets in Cologne on a Friday night |
| 01:08.28 | murb | is it a violent city? |
| 01:09.09 | Huhn | normally: no, but tonight it was a bit weird.. |
| 01:09.51 | Huhn | 2 cars tried to hit me, or the driver was not paying attention, I dunno |
| 01:10.12 | murb | s/avoid/having/ |
| 01:10.23 | murb | why did i type totally the wrong word? |
| 01:10.30 | zimm | murb: have i met you ? |
| 01:10.43 | Huhn | because you're murble? |
| 01:10.51 | zimm | lol Huhn |
| 01:11.30 | murb | zimm, it depends on who you are. |
| 01:11.35 | zimm | it does .. |
| 01:11.46 | murb | have you gone to gllug or lonix ever? |
| 01:11.46 | zimm | were you at the pub after the december meeting ? |
| 01:11.59 | murb | which one was december? |
| 01:12.03 | zimm | (thats the only one ive been to) |
| 01:12.28 | zimm | (and I missed the actual meeting , and just did the pub) |
| 01:12.29 | murb | what venue etc |
| 01:12.34 | murb | and what were the talks etc?? |
| 01:12.36 | zimm | westminster uni , |
| 01:12.50 | zimm | god knows , i wasnt at the meeting .. |
| 01:12.59 | zimm | have you met resuDaed ? |
| 01:13.10 | zimm | cos i was sat with him . |
| 01:13.51 | murb | I just can't rember if i went to the december gllug or not. |
| 01:14.03 | Huhn | murb: :) |
| 01:14.06 | murb | It was more than 48 hours ago, how am i expected to rember that far back? |
| 01:14.20 | zimm | its ok , i forgot most of the people i met .. |
| 01:14.29 | Huhn | aha! |
| 01:14.36 | murb | I need more information about that meeting to seperate it out in my mind |
| 01:15.01 | zimm | there was a talk on gnome i think] |
| 01:15.31 | murb | Previous talks don't seem to have been archived. |
| 01:21.44 | murb | oh the michael meeks talk? |
| 01:21.53 | zimm | possibly , |
| 01:22.01 | zimm | like i said m i onbly went to the pub |
| 01:22.32 | zimm | murb: so , you were there ? |
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| 01:22.39 | murb | I don't know . |
| 01:22.42 | zimm | rofl |
| 01:22.46 | highbury | meeting notices are still there |
| 01:22.47 | murb | Leeds: any luck? |
| 01:22.55 | Leeds | it's all alive :-) |
| 01:23.13 | murb | what was wrong, and what adsl routery thing do we have to avoid? |
| 01:23.15 | Leeds | set all the MTUs to 1200 manually, and it's working - dunno which one had to be changed, but I don't really care |
| 01:23.40 | zimm | Leeds: what were they set to ? |
| 01:23.45 | Leeds | 1500 |
| 01:23.51 | murb | zimm: 1500 with ethernet presuably |
| 01:23.56 | zimm | mmm |
| 01:24.11 | murb | although if path discover doesn't work aren't you supposed to set it to 700 or somthing ofr nonconnected networks? |
| 01:25.09 | Leeds | http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=884 seems to be the issue |
| 01:25.15 | Leeds | anyway, I need to go to bed too... |
| 01:25.28 | Huhn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.39 | HuhnZzZ | nn all |
| 01:25.45 | zimm | laters HuhnZzZ |
| 01:25.46 | murb | nn Huhn |
| 01:26.24 | Leeds | so, thanks guys... |
| 01:26.26 | Leeds | seeya |
| 01:27.16 | murb | nn |
| 01:27.28 | zimm | laters Leeds |
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| 10:26.52 | Jenson | ibot seen zimm |
| 10:26.53 | | zimm <~plato@public2-bror1-4-cust195.bror.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 8h 59m 25s ago, saying: 'laters Leeds'. |
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| 10:30.24 | stephen | wb zimm |
| 10:30.33 | zimm | hey stephen |
| 10:30.59 | zimm | grr |
| 10:31.02 | davilion | morning all |
| 10:31.08 | zimm | mmm , coffeee.... |
| 10:31.13 | stephen | making use of the internet while you still have it? |
| 10:31.14 | zimm | brb |
| 10:31.23 | zimm | stephen: damn right ! |
| 10:31.28 | stephen | morning davilion |
| 10:34.33 | stephen | right, unfortunately I'm gonna have to debug my coursework in windows :( |
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| 11:45.23 | dpash | hi |
| 11:46.10 | stephen_ | yeah, that's always nice... :) |
| 11:47.42 | dpash | stephen_: I think I can see your problem |
| 11:49.13 | stephen_ | it won't read a string within a block of code and it's beginning to get *very* annoying |
| 11:53.29 | dpash | I think your problem is pascal |
| 11:55.02 | stephen_ | i couldn't agree more, just try telling that to the staff at my uni. |
| 11:55.37 | stephen_ | they seem to think that its the best thing since sliced bread |
| 11:56.19 | stephen_ | thank you :) |
| 11:56.46 | dpash | cat foo.pascal | sed -e 's/{/begin/' | sed -e 's/}/end/' |
| 11:56.59 | dpash | that should make life a bit more bareable |
| 11:57.11 | stephen_ | lol |
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| 13:08.38 | Huhn | hi |
| 13:09.00 | Stephen | hi Huhn |
| 13:09.08 | Huhn | hi Stephen |
| 13:09.15 | dpash | hi |
| 13:09.25 | dpash | hello said florance |
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| 13:09.29 | zimm | morning Huhn |
| 13:09.49 | dpash | "hello florance" said dougal |
| 13:10.08 | Huhn | hiho zimm, still connected? :) |
| 13:10.09 | armijn | re |
| 13:10.12 | dpash | ibot lart zimm |
| 13:10.13 | Huhn | hi armijn |
| 13:10.14 | zimm | dpash: you heard the jasper Carrot version of magic roundabout ? |
| 13:10.37 | zimm | Huhn: yeh , got a few hours left |
| 13:10.42 | dpash | "oh fuck off" said florence |
| 13:10.44 | Huhn | zimm: good idea, will listen to the album again |
| 13:10.49 | zimm | dpash: aye , lol |
| 13:10.59 | zimm | ibot: lart dpash |
| 13:11.59 | Huhn | and again the pseudo silk kimono |
| 13:12.06 | zimm | dpash: man , the taxi firm wanted to charge me 30 quid ! |
| 13:12.20 | zimm | its only 6 miles ! |
| 13:12.28 | dpash | zimm: you could walk cheaper than that |
| 13:12.45 | zimm | dpash: i kinda have a shitload of stuff though |
| 13:12.45 | armijn | and it's healthier... |
| 13:12.54 | dpash | zimm: "sorry mate, don't go south of the river" |
| 13:12.58 | zimm | lol |
| 13:13.18 | zimm | dpash: its "sarf" |
| 13:13.47 | dpash | zimm: I've only taken one taxi in london and that was many years ago |
| 13:14.32 | zimm | trains prett mych suck and all now that i think about it |
| 13:14.44 | dpash | segway? |
| 13:14.58 | armijn | hi huhn... |
| 13:15.01 | dpash | carrier pigeon? |
| 13:15.19 | Huhn | dpash: why? |
| 13:16.07 | dpash | cos I need/want a geeky girl |
| 13:16.19 | dpash | non-geeky are a no go |
| 13:16.24 | Huhn | dpash: have you realised that you're never going to meet Kim Basinger? :) |
| 13:16.43 | Huhn | dpash: mh.. I thought the same about boys, but then.. you never know ;) |
| 13:16.46 | dpash | many years ago ;) (or is that ;(?) |
| 13:17.33 | dpash | Huhn: it is the "why do you spend more time on the computer than with me?" thing |
| 13:17.38 | armijn | dpash: if you also look at non-geek girls, you might have a bigger chance of spreading the geek gene... |
| 13:17.58 | Huhn | dpash: I know exactly what you mean |
| 13:18.20 | Stephen | armijn: good point :) |
| 13:18.44 | dpash | armijn: but that doesn;t really benefit me does it? |
| 13:18.50 | dpash | I still have the above problem |
| 13:18.56 | murb | not in london |
| 13:19.09 | dpash | so I see |
| 13:19.23 | dpash | I didn't know anyone that was going |
| 13:19.26 | Huhn | hi murb |
| 13:19.26 | armijn | dpash: that's very selfish, we all should make sacrifices for world domination :) |
| 13:19.29 | dpash | so I'm sat here |
| 13:20.07 | dpash | armijn: been there done that (except the spreading genes thing) |
| 13:21.25 | dpash | one is in Cambridge |
| 13:21.33 | Huhn | zimm: lol ;) |
| 13:23.58 | zimm | lol |
| 13:24.03 | dpash | rather short list |
| 13:24.28 | zimm | there's one in cheltenham .. |
| 13:24.37 | dpash | yes |
| 13:24.42 | zimm | (college taht is , not geek girl) |
| 13:24.48 | dpash | Huhn: that is a damn good idea ;) |
| 13:25.10 | armijn | huhn: oh, while you're at it... |
| 13:25.17 | dpash | Huhn: I figure where ever you find one geek girl you will find more |
| 13:25.32 | armijn | a critical mass of geek girls... |
| 13:25.43 | Huhn | ohmy.. |
| 13:25.51 | Huhn | I'll bring some to the installfest ;)) |
| 13:26.01 | dpash | Huhn: see what you have done to us now |
| 13:26.04 | Huhn | (/me thinks Jenson said the same some weeks ago) |
| 13:26.36 | Huhn | dpash: I booked a flight yesterday for that weekend |
| 13:27.09 | dpash | that would be a bit of an overkill for me ;) |
| 13:27.20 | murb | Huhn at an install fest, watch you locales! |
| 13:27.50 | dpash | LANG=en_GB.utf-8 |
| 13:27.59 | Huhn | murb: ? |
| 13:28.14 | dpash | which does promptly stuff up most apps |
| 13:28.41 | dpash | I assume murb is saying you will change LANG to de or something |
| 13:29.38 | Huhn | dpash: why should I? |
| 13:29.40 | dpash | murb: how come you aren't in London? |
| 13:29.47 | dpash | I don't know? |
| 13:29.54 | Huhn | huhn@asteroid:~$ echo $LANG |
| 13:29.54 | Huhn | C |
| 13:30.29 | murb | Huhn: i was joking. |
| 13:36.45 | dpash | I assume one is in nickserv, the other is not |
| 13:37.06 | dpash | and Stephen is an alt nick |
| 13:42.49 | stephen | Stephen means i'm using IRC and stephen tends to mean that I'm afk/'working'/whatever |
| 13:43.34 | stephen | of course, it's not strictly true, but it would be if I had a bouncer |
| 13:44.22 | dpash | ibot: lart murB |
| 13:58.28 | dpash | ping |
| 13:59.16 | murBEER | pong |
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| 13:59.55 | dpash | so murBEER why aren't you in london? |
| 14:00.22 | murBEER | because i woke up at 1300 |
| 14:03.21 | dpash | ah okay |
| 14:03.25 | dpash | late night? |
| 14:07.40 | HuhnCOFFEE | dpash: is that the thread with Madkiss? :) |
| 14:09.26 | dpash | yeah |
| 14:09.51 | HuhnCOFFEE | hehe |
| 14:15.00 | dpash | I don't think that upstream should have put that in their program |
| 14:19.42 | Huhn | re |
| 14:21.54 | dpash | ibot: lart KDE |
| 14:25.04 | murBEER | oh does that mean i have to type the mutt -f =debian-devel of death command? |
| 14:25.26 | dpash | saidly |
| 14:25.30 | dpash | sadly |
| 14:25.58 | murBEER | only 40000 messages for mutt to read before i get to see what is going on. |
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| 14:30.35 | murBEER | right debian-devel is now open although i've had to stop exim lisening |
| 14:30.50 | dpash_ | murBEER: ? |
| 14:31.14 | murBEER | dpash: it is in a maildir with ~ 40000 messages |
| 14:31.31 | murBEER | when a new message comes in it decides to reread all messages |
| 14:32.33 | dpash_ | murBEER: same here |
| 14:32.44 | dpash_ | but why does exim re-read all messages? |
| 14:32.50 | murBEER | not exim, mutt |
| 14:33.03 | murBEER | i'm stopping exim so no new messages come in while i'm reading it |
| 14:33.35 | murBEER | although actually i'm just packet filtering port 25 on my deve workstation in luxembourg, i only subscribed to debian-devel to test the htree ext3 stuff. |
| 14:34.15 | dpash_ | murBEER: can't you use courier? |
| 14:34.36 | dpash_ | like most sane people + large maildir |
| 14:34.53 | eye69 | Is courier any good? |
| 14:34.56 | murBEER | courier thosen't behave very sanly with large numbers of files either. |
| 14:35.09 | murBEER | and i don't want an extra imap layer between me and my mailbox |
| 14:35.22 | murBEER | especally as mutt isn't a great imap client either. |
| 14:35.37 | dpash_ | eye69: yes |
| 14:35.40 | eye69 | I'm using uw-imap now. It's just me and a collegue that's using imap, but I'm thinking of expanding the usage of IMAP to the entire company. |
| 14:36.03 | dpash_ | murBEER: okay it takes 3 seconds to do a NOOP on my debian-devel archive folder, but it isn;t too bad |
| 14:36.08 | murBEER | will courier use weird non pamised authentication methods? |
| 14:36.21 | dpash_ | you can use pam as I do |
| 14:36.48 | murBEER | I'd rather pam didn't have anything to do with it. |
| 14:36.55 | eye69 | Yeah, I need PAM. |
| 14:37.00 | dpash_ | pam==good |
| 14:37.15 | eye69 | Running LDAP for authentication. |
| 14:37.24 | dpash_ | eye69: courier is much better than uw-imap |
| 14:37.41 | dpash_ | it uses maildir for a start so quick deletes etc |
| 14:38.05 | dpash_ | it uses . for folder seperators, so you can have folders and mailboxes with the same name |
| 14:38.09 | murBEER | does it have built in tls support? |
| 14:38.12 | eye69 | I run maildirs for my private email, but mbox in the company |
| 14:38.21 | dpash_ | and it allows more than one connection to the same mailbopx |
| 14:38.27 | dpash_ | yes |
| 14:38.27 | murBEER | maildirs aren't very space efficient. |
| 14:38.32 | eye69 | Subfolders would be cool |
| 14:38.35 | dpash_ | murBEER: ssl certianly |
| 14:38.41 | eye69 | murBEER: Space is cheap |
| 14:38.41 | dpash_ | I think it does TLS too |
| 14:39.01 | dpash_ | murBEER: they have many advantages over mbox, like locking |
| 14:39.33 | dpash_ | and inserting and deleting speed |
| 14:39.58 | dpash_ | can be shared over nfs |
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| 14:40.29 | eye69 | I'll go over to the co-lo and stick an extra 9GB drive in the mailserver for /home |
| 14:41.51 | murBEER | dpahs: i didn't mention mbox |
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| 14:42.17 | murBEER | does courier have no mbox support? |
| 14:42.19 | marko85_uk[off] | sup everyone |
| 14:42.21 | marko85_uk[off] | :) |
| 14:42.26 | dpash_ | I don't think so |
| 14:43.05 | murBEER | do you have to use a courier specific delivery mechanism? |
| 14:43.36 | dpash_ | murBEER: nope, just drop it in the maildir |
| 14:43.44 | dpash_ | I jus tlet exim do that here |
| 14:44.25 | dpash_ | I archive my mail by using mv in the maildirs |
| 14:44.37 | murBEER | most of my users have exim .forward files |
| 14:44.51 | dpash_ | yep no problem, so do I |
| 14:46.28 | eye69 | Postfix shouldn't have any problems with it. |
| 14:46.28 | dpash_ | I filter into sub folders |
| 14:46.29 | dpash_ | I can email you my config if you are interested |
| 14:46.44 | dpash_ | if postfix can do maildir then no |
| 14:47.25 | eye69 | I use procmail for all the filtering |
| 14:47.33 | eye69 | Yeah, magnus@upcore.net |
| 14:47.39 | dpash_ | same, no problem |
| 14:47.48 | dpash_ | eye69: I only have exim config |
| 14:47.55 | dpash_ | it was kinda directed at murBEER |
| 14:48.06 | dpash_ | eye69: ask cupis |
| 14:48.30 | eye69 | Could be useful to have anyway |
| 14:48.35 | dpash_ | I doubt it |
| 14:49.36 | dpash_ | all you need to do is drop INBOX mail into ~/Maildir/new and Folder/Box mail into ~/Maildir/.Folder.Box/new |
| 14:50.04 | eye69 | Yeah |
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| 15:57.48 | dpash | CLEAR |
| 15:58.12 | dpash | again - CLEAR! |
| 15:58.32 | dpash | CLEAR |
| 15:59.32 | SpudULike | Oi, steady on, whatya charge the defib too? |
| 16:00.31 | dpash | if-they-don't-shout-after-three-get-the-shovel level |
| 16:02.33 | SpudULike | Hmm, did you put gel on the pads? |
| 16:04.18 | dpash | of course |
| 16:04.28 | dpash | are you questioning my medical training? |
| 16:04.42 | SpudULike | And the pads were plugged into the machine? |
| 16:04.54 | dpash | of course |
| 16:05.14 | dpash | look here I did all I could for it |
| 16:05.19 | dpash | but it was just no good |
| 16:05.21 | SpudULike | Hmm. don't understand it. |
| 16:05.23 | dpash | it's time had come |
| 16:05.39 | SpudULike | The thing is, it was alive this morning, you come on and......... |
| 16:05.54 | SpudULike | I'm not pointing any fingers but.... |
| 16:06.38 | dpash | it is a ex-channel, defunct, deceased |
| 16:06.50 | dpash | it is pushing up the daisies |
| 16:08.01 | SpudULike | "Come back here I'll bite your kneecaps off." |
| 16:08.11 | SpudULike | Err, sorry, wrong sketch. |
| 16:08.41 | dpash | hello miss |
| 16:08.49 | stephen | err, 'legs', SpudULike |
| 16:14.03 | SpudULike | stephen: Kneecaps is funnier. |
| 16:14.24 | stephen | hmm, perhaps so... |
| 16:15.50 | SpudULike | Only seen it the once, when I was 8, when it was just out. |
| 16:17.12 | dpash | isn't it shins? |
| 16:17.24 | stephen | tbh, I only saw it for the first time last year, but i've watched it countless times since then :) |
| 16:17.38 | murb | make tea not war. |
| 16:17.55 | stephen | nah, it's definitely 'legs' |
| 16:18.08 | SpudULike | You have the abridged DVD. |
| 16:18.43 | stephen | nah, downloaded bits and pieces in realmedia format :) |
| 16:18.52 | dpash | anyone get crypto-gram? |
| 16:20.33 | murb | I got the thing saying spamassasin would kill it. |
| 16:21.19 | murb | http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0302.html |
| 16:21.35 | dpash | yeah |
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| 17:01.30 | murb | can anyone recommend any uk suppliers of adsl that are good and do preordering and are not too expencive? |
| 17:04.46 | eye69 | I've heard good things about plus.net |
| 17:05.35 | murb | I've heard bad things about them from ex employees |
| 17:05.52 | nat | murb: newnet |
| 17:05.54 | murb | I'm minded to go with eclipse at the moment |
| 17:06.13 | nat | or andrew and arnolds, they very linux friendly |
| 17:06.22 | murb | nat: if you say the magic number 2317 will they delegate reverse dns? |
| 17:06.39 | nat | newnet will charge 25quid a change, so i haven't bothered |
| 17:06.52 | nat | but a&a will do, they even have a web based console to do it in |
| 17:06.54 | murb | nat: i don't care about linux friendlyness i'm just after reliable service, and wires only and hopefully setable in-addr.arpa, prereably delegated to me. |
| 17:07.23 | murb | oh and atleast a /29 |
| 17:08.05 | nat | plus all the main a&a servers have ipv6 addressing as well, and they offer a local tunnel end up for tunneling ipv6 over ipv4 for to adsl users |
| 17:08.07 | nat | http://aa.nu/ip6.html |
| 17:08.42 | murb | I'm not intersting in that unless I get native ipv6/ppp |
| 17:09.00 | nat | they are pushing bt for that at the moment |
| 17:09.06 | murb | 6to4 does all i need at the moment, if i get a fixed ip i'll just get a tunnel |
| 17:09.08 | stephen | 'I'm not intersting' - talk about defeatism! |
| 17:09.52 | nat | from reading their newsgroup one of the techie chaps there is trying to get line bonding up and running as well |
| 17:10.43 | nat | i know nildram off revdns as well. but unsure of their reliability recently |
| 17:11.54 | nat | s/off/offer |
| 17:16.12 | dpash_ | hi nat |
| 17:16.45 | nat | hola |
| 17:17.03 | dpash_ | murb: you want business or residentual? |
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| 17:18.36 | zimm | ggrrrr |
| 17:19.18 | Huhn | wb zimm |
| 17:19.33 | zimm | :) |
| 17:19.50 | zimm | well , my new landlord is as disorganised as me ,, |
| 17:20.04 | dpash_ | is that good or bad? |
| 17:20.19 | zimm | he's moving in today too .. |
| 17:20.24 | zimm | and he hasnt booked the van |
| 17:20.25 | eye69 | Can't get PAM working in Courier... |
| 17:20.35 | eye69 | It said it uses the webmail module? |
| 17:20.49 | zimm | dpash_: so neither of us have transport |
| 17:20.53 | zimm | lol |
| 17:21.11 | zimm | so im still here ,, and he is still in essex , |
| 17:21.48 | dpash_ | eye69: do you have the good sense to be be using Debian? |
| 17:22.02 | eye69 | dpash_: Yes, of course. :) |
| 17:22.07 | zimm | if id known this was the situation 24 hours ago , i could have got him a cheap van ffs ,, |
| 17:22.17 | zimm | i did run a courier firm for 3 years after all .. lol |
| 17:22.28 | eye69 | dpash_: I just 'apt-get install courier-imap-ssl', looked in the docs where it said to make the webmail PAM module... |
| 17:22.58 | eye69 | 'cp qpopper webmail'.... |
| 17:25.16 | Huhn | zimm: ah, too bad, more internet for you ;) |
| 17:25.50 | murb | dpash: the cheap one. |
| 17:26.11 | murb | I don't want to pay more for less contention as i'll be used mailing for email and stuff |
| 17:26.12 | zimm | Huhn: :) |
| 17:26.21 | dpash_ | murb: oh okay |
| 17:26.26 | murb | it'll |
| 17:26.32 | dpash_ | murb: I would r3ecommend mistral for business |
| 17:26.48 | dpash_ | never had a problem with them and we use them for about 10 ADSL lines |
| 17:27.14 | stephen | aren't they quite pricey though? |
| 17:27.41 | dpash_ | stephen: they don't really do the 50:1 ADSL |
| 17:28.24 | dpash_ | only the 20:1 |
| 17:28.47 | nat | murb: do you live in an area covered by bulldog? |
| 17:29.07 | murb | nat: no i live in an area which is going to be enabled later this year. |
| 17:29.26 | murb | they've just given a date, so i should be able to preorder and pay less for "installation" |
| 17:32.03 | dpash_ | murb: lucky bastard |
| 17:32.26 | murb | dpash: if i live near enought to the exchange... |
| 17:33.06 | dpash | I live close enough to the exchange, but they just won;t upgrade it |
| 17:34.20 | murb | dpash: force them to unbundle some lines |
| 17:34.24 | murb | or move |
| 17:35.23 | dpash | murb: and how exactly do we get them to unbunble the lines? |
| 17:35.40 | nat | you need to buy colo space in the exchange |
| 17:35.44 | stephen | shove a chair up their ass |
| 17:36.01 | nat | then rent the equivilent of an eps9 line from the excahnge back to your house |
| 17:36.18 | nat | and buy backhaul bandwidth from the excahnge to telehouse or an isp somewhere |
| 17:36.41 | murb | nat: you don't need to rent spacei n the exchange. |
| 17:36.59 | dpash | and cost for this ? |
| 17:37.07 | nat | to do unbundling you do as you have to put your kit on the end of the copper |
| 17:37.26 | murb | if you live right next door you could probably house the dslam. then just pull the cableback. |
| 17:37.39 | dpash | no we don't |
| 17:37.56 | dpash | right, but does anyone have any costs for this? |
| 17:38.33 | nat | i think you have to be a registered telecom operator aswell. |
| 17:38.35 | murb | lots. |
| 17:38.52 | dpash | right, so I might as well get a 2Mbit leased line installed |
| 17:38.57 | murb | nat: they are changing the teleco regulations at the moment. |
| 17:39.10 | murb | dpash: have you got quotes for an e1 to the sticks before? |
| 17:39.24 | dpash | yes |
| 17:39.34 | murb | I think the quote we got was about 19k |
| 17:39.39 | nat | dpash: how far away is your nearest source of bandwidth? |
| 17:39.41 | zimm | 19k ?> lol |
| 17:39.42 | dpash | we got about 15K |
| 17:39.54 | dpash | MK is about 5-10km |
| 17:40.23 | murb | oh then you have to add vat. |
| 17:40.55 | dpash | murb: nope |
| 17:41.17 | nat | a LES circuit would work out cheaper then, plus more bandwidth too |
| 17:41.28 | dpash | LES? |
| 17:41.35 | murb | nat: the tail for an lan extension would cost the 15k bit |
| 17:41.43 | nat | Lan Extensions Services / SHDS |
| 17:42.11 | murb | and typically LES cost lots to install to pay for the termination. |
| 17:42.55 | dpash | and where do we get one of those from? |
| 17:43.03 | nat | around 9k i reckon, then between 1k and 2k per year |
| 17:43.06 | nat | http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/current/docs/Private_Cir_/13091.htm |
| 17:43.24 | dpash | annoyingly we have a janet connection about 100m away |
| 17:43.36 | murb | dpash: install wirless for them. |
| 17:43.50 | nat | dpash: its just an 10mb link between 2 sites, presented on RJ45 at each end. |
| 17:43.53 | murb | schools and libraries are good if you want your exchange to be adsl enabled. |
| 17:44.03 | murb | nat: is it full duplex? |
| 17:44.14 | dpash | murb: we have 2 schools |
| 17:44.20 | dpash | 1 lower and 1 middle |
| 17:45.14 | dpash | looks like we will need a LES3a service |
| 17:45.32 | nat | murb: unsure, just looking at the SIN document |
| 17:46.46 | murb | I think work threw away a load of HDSL modems recently |
| 17:47.14 | nat | dpash: http://www.telecomsnews.co.uk/shds_fact_sheet_ether.pdf |
| 17:47.29 | dpash | nat: assuming 10K you are looking at 14K install + 10800 after that |
| 17:48.01 | murb | what about other licensed operators? |
| 17:48.45 | nat | dpash: say you get a LES3 circuit back to MK, install 5k each end = 10k, annual 800 each end = 1.6k |
| 17:48.58 | HuhnSHOP | laters |
| 17:49.15 | nat | dpash: just have the line terminated at an ISP who has a POP in MK and buy local bandwidth from them. |
| 17:50.55 | murb | why can't i get lynx to save cookies? |
| 17:51.10 | murb | I don't want to say i'm in the uk every tim i got to news.bbc |
| 17:52.16 | dpash | nat: don't forget the addition 5K of connectino needed |
| 17:52.40 | nat | dpash: did you get a quote from easynet, they have a pop in MK, plus they are a licensed operator. |
| 17:52.48 | dpash | so you are looking at 15K install |
| 17:53.03 | dpash | I asked them for a 2Mbit leased line |
| 17:53.15 | murb | but how will easynet survive without }Night{ ? |
| 17:53.43 | nat | good question. |
| 17:54.25 | dpash | 1500 install + 17945 rental |
| 17:54.54 | dpash | nat: do I have to ask them for a different product? |
| 17:55.40 | nat | i usually ask if they could an alertantive method of presenation, such as a LES circut. |
| 17:56.04 | nat | in some cases they can split the large cost of the LES install over the first year |
| 17:57.04 | dpash | I may ask them again |
| 17:57.18 | dpash | demon were quite cheap |
| 17:57.19 | nat | or as murb said see if you have any other fibre providers around, like that janet connection you mentioned - is it provided over a bt line or someone else |
| 17:57.42 | dpash | but we can't connect to janet |
| 17:58.15 | nat | i know, but the fibre the connection from the college back to the main janet network, who provides that? |
| 17:59.19 | dpash | not sure. as I remember it goes back over to the OU in milton keynes |
| 17:59.19 | dpash | damn. If only I still worked there |
| 17:59.30 | dpash | hmm I could ask someone at the OU. they are members of MKlug |
| 17:59.54 | dpash | hmm must go now |
| 18:00.02 | nat | try contacting folks like neosnetworks, fibernet, yourcommunications etc. |
| 18:00.07 | dpash | where can I get the ibot logs from? |
| 18:00.16 | dpash | okay cool |
| 18:00.34 | dpash | just keep throwing ideas ibots way and I can look in the logs |
| 18:00.42 | eye69 | Heh...takes a while to convert ~20k emails |
| 18:01.01 | dpash | eye69: not surprised |
| 18:01.09 | dpash | eye69: hope you made a copy of them first |
| 18:01.54 | eye69 | It doesn't delete them. |
| 18:02.13 | eye69 | I'm not removing them until I've tested this properly on monday. |
| 18:02.26 | dpash | eye69: I still wouldn't trust it |
| 18:02.35 | eye69 | They are backed up though :) |
| 18:03.27 | dpash | which would be cheaper? kilostream or megastream? |
| 18:03.55 | nat | kilostream, less bandwidth though |
| 18:04.05 | dpash | hmmm kilostream really is small |
| 18:04.20 | nat | contact those folks i mentioned as they have their own fibre networks and maybe cheaper than bt |
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| 18:34.53 | SpudULike | Hi ho. |
| 18:35.14 | formi | hi |
| 18:35.20 | formi | sorry about this morning |
| 18:35.28 | formi | i was planning to join you |
| 18:35.48 | SpudULike | No problem. |
| 18:35.59 | formi | but I woke up with a nasty odd headache |
| 18:36.32 | SpudULike | Lot of it about, must be the Sun. |
| 18:36.52 | eye69 | dpash: Working fine now |
| 18:37.04 | eye69 | All of it converted |
| 18:37.10 | SpudULike | I haven't had a chance to hunt for the RS-232 tester yet. It will be at the bottom of a big box. |
| 18:37.24 | formi | you do have one? |
| 18:37.25 | eye69 | .procmailrc reconfigured and seems to work |
| 18:37.27 | SpudULike | I thought you drank the green stuff, it might taste better smoked. |
| 18:37.41 | formi | not that green stuff |
| 18:37.59 | SpudULike | There are other green stuffs? Yes, I do have a tester. |
| 18:39.25 | formi | of the kind bobbies say they don't smoke |
| 18:40.01 | SpudULike | For not sharing? |
| 18:40.10 | zimm | that too |
| 18:40.36 | formi | I read on The Mirror than one of the mayor problems the anti-corruption cops have is that there're too many cops smoking pot |
| 18:41.04 | SpudULike | Too many or not enough? |
| 18:42.02 | formi | too many |
| 18:42.51 | formi | and that stops them from being able to investigate them properly on the issue the investigation was started for |
| 18:42.58 | Davilion | quite good fun |
| 18:43.02 | Davilion | i didnt pull though |
| 18:45.45 | SpudULike | Are your standards too high? |
| 18:46.06 | formi | well, the make love not war is a bit antiquated |
| 18:46.08 | stephen | what, like 'no left-wing radicals'? |
| 18:46.16 | stephen | :) |
| 18:47.09 | Davilion | SpudULike: yeah sometimes, i dont know, im quite picky |
| 18:47.13 | Davilion | stephen: :) |
| 18:47.24 | Davilion | so much for free drugs, free sex and free whatever else. |
| 18:47.33 | stephen | yeah, life sucks |
| 18:47.45 | SpudULike | Bandwidth? |
| 18:48.27 | SpudULike | If sex was free the Internet wouldn't be half of what it is! |
| 18:48.42 | stephen | yeah bandwidth is what keeps me sane, unfortunately, its very hard to get for free, and especially from a load of marching protestors# |
| 18:49.47 | zimm | LOL |
| 18:50.14 | Davilion | heheh |
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| 18:51.08 | SpudULike | Shhh, she's here. |
| 18:51.12 | zimm | muahaha |
| 18:51.14 | Jenson | lol |
| 18:51.15 | SpudULike | Hey J! |
| 18:51.15 | Jenson | hey spud |
| 18:51.19 | zimm | hey Jenson |
| 18:51.39 | Jenson | heya zimm. why you still here? |
| 18:52.03 | zimm | Jenson: cos new2unix's brother is less organised than I am .. and neither of us have a van booked |
| 18:52.09 | zimm | :) |
| 18:52.19 | Jenson | lol you twonkles |
| 18:52.28 | Jenson | You gonna be here later? |
| 18:53.00 | zimm | dunno ,, he's gone to pick up a van now , but he has some work stuff to do , so err , ill probably be here till about 10pm |
| 18:53.12 | Jenson | k cool mate, see ya later :) |
| 18:53.16 | Jenson | I have to go |
| 18:53.16 | zimm | :) |
| 18:53.23 | Jenson | Dan is standing behind me lol |
| 18:53.41 | Jenson | *Dan waves back |
| 18:53.44 | zimm | hehe |
| 18:53.57 | Jenson | anyway, later hon |
| 18:53.59 | Jenson | later SpudULike |
| 18:54.09 | zimm | laters j |
| 18:54.09 | SpudULike | Can we talk about her now? |
| 18:54.14 | zimm | SpudULike: shhh |
| 18:54.17 | SpudULike | Whoops! |
| 18:54.18 | zimm | she's still here ! |
| 18:54.24 | SpudULike | ;-) |
| 18:54.28 | Jenson | lol |
| 18:54.30 | Jenson | :P |
| 18:57.47 | zimm | lol , SpudULike you're evil |
| 18:57.55 | SpudULike | Moi? |
| 18:58.24 | zimm | lol |
| 18:58.47 | SpudULike | Pretentious, moi? |
| 19:14.33 | zimm | hmm |
| 19:14.38 | zimm | must change that |
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| 19:48.04 | marko85_uk | sup everyone |
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| 19:51.42 | davilion | ok, anybody good at sorting gcc wierdness |
| 19:51.50 | davilion | im trying to build a module and when i do a make all |
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| 19:52.00 | davilion | it builds it but for the wrong kernel |
| 19:52.03 | zachary | good evening |
| 19:52.07 | davilion | hi zach |
| 19:52.13 | zachary | hi davilion |
| 19:53.03 | davilion | and i can't find out where its getting the kernel version from and its frustrating the hell out of me |
| 19:59.41 | murb | what are you building? |
| 20:00.13 | davilion | atmel usb wireless drivers |
| 20:00.19 | davilion | on debian. |
| 20:00.36 | davilion | i have /usr/src/linux symlinked tpo kernel-headers-2.4.20-686 |
| 20:01.12 | marko85_uk | when u turn ur computer on and linux is loading it should tell u what kernel it is |
| 20:01.39 | murb | marko85_uk: that isn't the problem |
| 20:01.47 | marko85_uk | sowi i didnt really read it |
| 20:02.06 | davilion | bash-2.05b$ uname -a |
| 20:02.06 | davilion | Linux debian 2.4.20-686 #1 Mon Jan 13 22:22:30 EST 2003 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 20:02.06 | davilion | bash-2.05b$ |
| 20:02.16 | murb | davilion: is it taking the kernel version from the wrong kernel headers, e.g. the ones in /usr/include/linux/ ? |
| 20:02.26 | zimm | whats /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/build pointing at davilion ? |
| 20:03.10 | davilion | there isnt one |
| 20:03.23 | davilion | vnetusba.o: kernel-module version mismatch |
| 20:03.23 | davilion | vnetusba.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.20 |
| 20:03.23 | davilion | while this kernel is version 2.4.20-686. |
| 20:04.39 | murb | davilion: what does the versoin in /usr/src/linux/MAKEFILE say? |
| 20:04.48 | murb | and what command are you using to build the modules? |
| 20:05.01 | davilion | VERSION = 2 |
| 20:05.01 | davilion | PATCHLEVEL = 4 |
| 20:05.01 | davilion | SUBLEVEL = 20 |
| 20:05.08 | davilion | make all. |
| 20:05.20 | davilion | it appears /usr/include/linux is the wrong one. |
| 20:05.27 | zimm | davilion: i kept hitting similar issues on resuDaeds box with debian kernels |
| 20:05.31 | davilion | it doesnt appear to be a simlink |
| 20:05.59 | davilion | zimm: yeah it appears to a headers problem. |
| 20:06.01 | murb | davilion: you shouldn't be using /usr/include/linux as a sym link to the kernel. |
| 20:06.18 | davilion | ok , any idea what the best solution is? |
| 20:06.36 | murb | davilion: -I/path/to/current/kernel/headers |
| 20:06.48 | murb | davilion: what are you trying to build? |
| 20:06.54 | zimm | edit the Makefile ? start from scratch ? |
| 20:07.14 | davilion | http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/howto/howto-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 20:07.23 | davilion | murb usb drivers for wireless card |
| 20:08.01 | murb | davilion: so it isn't a prims2.5 based card? |
| 20:08.52 | davilion | no its some funky netgear one |
| 20:08.57 | murb | it makes sense that it isn't working if you don't have an EXTRAVERSION set to i386 |
| 20:09.01 | murb | s/38/68/ |
| 20:09.26 | davilion | yeah. |
| 20:09.32 | murb | but are you sure you are using the same header files, did you build the original kernel yourself? |
| 20:09.41 | murb | so you've patched the kernel? |
| 20:09.51 | davilion | no, its a bog standard debiankernel. |
| 20:10.04 | davilion | ie apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.20-686 |
| 20:10.18 | murb | what does the readme.debian say under linux/ ? |
| 20:11.56 | zimm | davilion: tried editting the mAKEFILE to read -686 ? |
| 20:12.14 | davilion | in /usr/include/linux? |
| 20:12.21 | murb | davilion: no |
| 20:12.24 | davilion | where? |
| 20:12.30 | murb | leave /usr/include/linux along |
| 20:12.36 | davilion | thats what i thought |
| 20:12.37 | davilion | :) |
| 20:12.37 | murb | the kernel you patched |
| 20:12.43 | davilion | i havent patched any kernels |
| 20:13.08 | murb | Oh I read the bit on the page about apply a patch.. |
| 20:13.16 | davilion | ahh no havent done anything like that |
| 20:13.27 | davilion | i've downloaded the source, untarred it, made it and it makes against the wrong kernel |
| 20:13.47 | murb | davilion: but that is because you don't have the correct source |
| 20:14.00 | davilion | yes, but i dont understand why not lol. |
| 20:14.03 | zimm | murb: there is no -686 src |
| 20:14.15 | murb | cp /boot/config-2.4.20-686 /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 20:14.26 | davilion | theres something fundamentally stupid going on, and ive got a horrble feeling its my fault heheh |
| 20:14.33 | murb | then add 686 to EXTRAVERSIONS and do a make clean && make dep |
| 20:14.34 | davilion | murb done that, and im building a new kernel atm |
| 20:14.46 | zimm | nah davilion im pretty sure its debians fault . |
| 20:14.47 | murb | davilion: you probably don't need to make anew kernel. |
| 20:15.22 | zimm | but hey , i could be (probably am) wrong |
| 20:15.38 | zimm | i never do .. |
| 20:15.45 | zimm | not on my box anyway .. |
| 20:17.42 | davilion | i rarely do but my laptop has been the exception |
| 20:20.52 | davilion | its getting re installed later tonight if i get the chance anyway need to upgrade hard disk etc and clear out all the shite. |
| 20:21.37 | zimm | :( |
| 20:21.42 | zimm | rerr |
| 20:21.43 | zimm | :) |
| 20:21.47 | davilion | same problem |
| 20:22.02 | davilion | so i've copied the .config made clean and dep |
| 20:22.20 | davilion | and its still building against it. |
| 20:22.26 | davilion | argh. |
| 20:22.30 | davilion | never mind i'll sort it later. |
| 20:26.18 | davilion | whats the bandwidh on usb? |
| 20:29.07 | davilion | ithink its 11mbits |
| 20:30.05 | zachary | davilion: I think usb 1.0 = 1mbps, usb 1.1 = 11mbps, usb 2.0 > 100mpbs |
| 20:30.37 | davilion | hmm |
| 20:30.44 | davilion | this could take a very long time heh |
| 20:30.49 | davilion | got a better idea |
| 20:31.03 | davilion | backup only important stuff and remember not to blow away the wrong partition |
| 20:32.03 | zimm | :) |
| 20:39.48 | davilion | does tar -l stay on the same hard disk or only local file systems |
| 20:45.51 | murb | file system / mount whatsit |
| 20:45.56 | murb | simular to -x in du i thinkk |
| 20:46.24 | murb | -l aka --one-file-system |
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| 20:55.34 | new2unix | wb new2unix |
| 20:55.34 | zimm | hiya new2unix |
| 20:55.45 | Huhn | hi new2unix |
| 20:55.49 | new2unix | hi all |
| 20:56.06 | new2unix | zimm: internet conectivity? how? |
| 20:56.13 | zimm | cos |
| 20:56.23 | zimm | your brother ,, is less organised than me |
| 20:56.30 | new2unix | haha |
| 20:56.31 | zimm | and didnt book a van |
| 20:56.50 | new2unix | what does he need a van for? |
| 20:56.51 | zimm | and he's pissed off to a conference now |
| 20:57.08 | zimm | he was going to move in today .. |
| 20:57.10 | new2unix | so your still at your old place? |
| 20:57.14 | zimm | yup |
| 20:57.33 | zimm | i didnt have transport anyway , so we said we'd split the cost of the van hire |
| 20:57.48 | zimm | and he didnt find one till 7pm |
| 20:58.20 | zimm | so , we are either moving through the night ,, or tomorrow .. |
| 20:58.31 | new2unix | cool. |
| 20:58.53 | zimm | or we is fooked |
| 20:59.05 | zimm | well , i am , cos im not meant to be here |
| 20:59.13 | zimm | :) |
| 20:59.25 | new2unix | you got alot of stuff to transport over? |
| 20:59.38 | zimm | nah it would all fit in one car load |
| 20:59.40 | *** join/#gllug humpty (enoma@iceland.freeshell.org) |
| 20:59.43 | zimm | but i dont have a car |
| 21:00.08 | zimm | dunno what Nosa's palnning on moving though |
| 21:01.20 | new2unix | zimm: he has one half of a castle squeezed into his old house. ought to have moved stuff over little by little ages ago. had the keys to the new place about a month ago |
| 21:01.37 | zimm | yeh , well , it currently has ,, err4 |
| 21:01.42 | zimm | mattresses in it . |
| 21:01.47 | zimm | and thats about it |
| 21:02.13 | new2unix | perhaps i should come over and give you guys a kick up the backside. :p |
| 21:02.20 | new2unix | slackers |
| 21:02.26 | zimm | hey man .. |
| 21:02.30 | zimm | its not my fault , |
| 21:02.37 | zimm | i was ready at 10am this morning ! |
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| 21:02.56 | zimm | all ive got to do is unplug the PC |
| 21:04.42 | new2unix | zimm: have you got the keys? |
| 21:04.49 | zimm | nope |
| 21:05.07 | formi | zimm where are you moving to? |
| 21:05.07 | new2unix | then move your stuff one at a time. dont wait for the van. it might take ages |
| 21:05.37 | zimm | new2unix: i dont have any transport at all .. |
| 21:05.48 | formi | not anywhere near to islington |
| 21:06.19 | new2unix | zimm: ask for a set of keys and move in gradually. i'm not sure you'd be expected to pay till youve signed the contract, which i'm sure you havent done already since you havent moved in yet |
| 21:06.24 | zimm | my lift fscked off to brighton , which is why i said id share the van cost with Nosa .. but he hasnt been to the house , im njhot sure where it is , and i dont have sthe keys |
| 21:06.54 | zimm | formi: thamesmead .. so , err , i dont think so |
| 21:07.14 | formi | ok |
| 21:07.20 | new2unix | ok. ask the list if anyone can spare a van for a day/night |
| 21:07.44 | new2unix | then get nosa to give you the address/keys |
| 21:07.49 | zimm | man , ive got to be out of here tomorrow ,, |
| 21:07.56 | zimm | at the latest , |
| 21:08.08 | zimm | plus , |
| 21:08.12 | zimm | i cant drive |
| 21:08.22 | zimm | which is why i cant hire a van on my own |
| 21:08.24 | zimm | lol |
| 21:09.03 | zimm | if id known he was going to need a van i could have got him one cheap too ,, but not with no notice ,, |
| 21:09.15 | zimm | i can get them , i just cant drive them, |
| 21:09.25 | new2unix | give the guy (nosa) a call now. you shouldnt be here. you should be thinking on your feet on how to get your stuff out of where you are before 2moro |
| 21:09.42 | zimm | he's gone to a conference ,, |
| 21:09.58 | zimm | well , thats what he said anyway |
| 21:10.23 | zimm | said he'd ring me at 10'ish ,, let me know what was happening |
| 21:11.01 | new2unix | yeah. he goes to thses conferences quite often. and if i know this nosa, he wont be available 2moro till after 3pm. so you better get off your arse and call him now |
| 21:15.42 | zimm | yeh he sounded like he had just got up when i rang him at lunchtime today |
| 21:15.53 | new2unix | lol. see |
| 21:16.12 | new2unix | he's a geek but doesnt realize it. |
| 21:16.17 | zimm | lol |
| 21:16.19 | new2unix | just not a comp geek |
| 21:16.33 | zimm | yeh , a law and RnB geek |
| 21:16.47 | new2unix | yeah. my exact opposite |
| 21:17.48 | zimm | :) |
| 21:19.28 | new2unix | s/do/no |
| 21:21.05 | new2unix | how was the meeting today? |
| 21:21.17 | zimm | meeting ? |
| 21:21.57 | new2unix | read the Topic |
| 21:22.11 | new2unix | ibot topic |
| 21:22.39 | zimm | yeh ? |
| 21:22.44 | *** join/#gllug zimm_ (~plato@public2-bror1-4-cust195.bror.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 21:23.12 | new2unix | http://gllug.linux.co.uk |
| 21:23.20 | zimm | says 12 april |
| 21:23.25 | zimm | its 15 feb |
| 21:23.37 | new2unix | oh yeah. |
| 21:23.39 | new2unix | woops |
| 21:23.57 | zimm | duh ! |
| 21:23.58 | zimm | lol |
| 21:24.05 | new2unix | hehe |
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| 21:39.24 | humpty | hi |
| 21:39.37 | Huhn | hi humpty |
| 21:39.42 | humpty | hi |
| 21:49.21 | new2unix | ibot /help |
| 21:49.22 | | new2unix: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:49.32 | new2unix | ibot help |
| 21:50.15 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@213.122.228.31) |
| 21:50.23 | Jenson | hey guys |
| 21:50.33 | new2unix | hey Jenson |
| 21:50.33 | Huhn | hi Jenson |
| 21:51.01 | Jenson | hey Huhn. I didn't know you were part of the Linux Magazine team |
| 21:51.04 | Jenson | Hey new2unix |
| 21:51.23 | Huhn | Jenson: you didn't ask ;) |
| 21:51.39 | Jenson | Huhn: True |
| 21:51.39 | new2unix | ask and you shall be told. |
| 21:51.52 | new2unix | ...loads of BS |
| 21:51.56 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:53.56 | new2unix | ibot /motd |
| 21:53.57 | | new2unix: i haven't a clue |
| 21:54.15 | new2unix | ibot motd |
| 21:54.16 | | from memory, motd is In Life, ibot is always logged in as root |
| 21:54.55 | Jenson | new2unix: Just type /motd |
| 21:55.10 | new2unix | i get nothing |
| 21:55.24 | Jenson | it'll load on the server tab |
| 21:56.06 | new2unix | why doesnt /trace show anything? |
| 21:56.40 | Jenson | I think you have to be an ircop |
| 21:57.07 | new2unix | oh. that'll take years from the looks of it. am new2unix, afterall |
| 21:57.42 | Jenson | :) |
| 21:58.22 | new2unix | ok. am going to look for something to munch/nibble. will be back |
| 21:58.42 | Stephen | pens and paper clips work quite well in my experience |
| 21:59.05 | Stephen | but if you have something edible, that would probably be better ;) |
| 21:59.29 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:59.34 | Jenson | pens are my usual lol |
| 22:06.08 | new2unix | huh? nibble on a paper clip? |
| 22:06.54 | Stephen | yes... and? |
| 22:07.10 | new2unix | just found a bar of Sainsbury's Milk chocolate with raisins and almonds :) |
| 22:08.05 | new2unix | haha |
| 22:09.29 | new2unix | dont you just love chocolate? |
| 22:10.12 | new2unix | ok. so perhaps i/m the only one. tough. |
| 22:10.23 | new2unix | ibot chocolate |
| 22:10.23 | | methinks chocolate is mmmmm...... yummy =P |
| 22:10.41 | Stephen | ibot beer |
| 22:10.42 | | i heard beer is ummm, ummm good! |
| 22:10.42 | new2unix | ibot milk |
| 22:10.43 | | somebody said milk was the catalyst required for making tea flavoured cheese |
| 22:11.11 | new2unix | ibot milk is also best served freshly squeezed |
| 22:11.12 | | okay, new2unix |
| 22:11.18 | new2unix | ibot milk |
| 22:11.19 | | extra, extra, read all about it, milk is the catalyst required for making tea flavoured cheese, or best served freshly squeezed |
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| 22:24.44 | new2unix | wb cupis |
| 22:24.51 | cupis | hi new2unix |
| 22:28.59 | Huhn | wb |
| 22:29.36 | Jenson | which Bond movie? |
| 22:30.03 | Huhn | Moonraker |
| 22:35.34 | new2unix | ibot where is zimm |
| 22:35.35 | | it has been said that zimm is the heartbroken burnt out shell of post modern potential |
| 22:35.50 | new2unix | ibot whereis zimm |
| 22:35.51 | | new2unix: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:36.16 | Jenson | ibot seen zimm |
| 22:36.16 | | zimm is currently on #gllug (5h 18m 12s). Has said a total of 89 messages. Is idling for 1h 12m 18s |
| 22:36.24 | Jenson | And he is packing to move house |
| 22:36.29 | new2unix | thanks jenson. |
| 22:36.52 | Jenson | Your brother will be there with the van oin 30 mins |
| 22:37.09 | new2unix | cool. is that what zimm said? |
| 22:37.15 | new2unix | has he called you? |
| 22:37.29 | Jenson | bah he's on /msg |
| 22:37.37 | Jenson | s/bah/nah |
| 22:37.51 | Jenson | Your brother just called him |
| 22:38.04 | new2unix | cheers |
| 22:40.31 | zimm | new2unix: yeh i just got off the phone to him , |
| 22:40.34 | zimm | he's lost |
| 22:40.47 | zimm | roght gotta go meet him |
| 22:40.52 | zimm | bbl |
| 22:40.56 | Jenson | see ya zimm |
| 22:41.50 | Huhn | good luck, zimm |
| 22:41.55 | zimm | :) |
| 22:41.56 | zimm | lol |
| 22:42.01 | zimm | cheers Huhn |
| 22:42.26 | zimm | byeee |
| 22:42.39 | new2unix | bye |
| 22:43.05 | Jenson | bye zimm good luck |
| 22:43.33 | new2unix | i hope it works out for him. |
| 22:43.44 | Jenson | yeah good luck to the pair of them |
| 22:44.00 | new2unix | haha. true |
| 22:44.20 | Jenson | Me and you will ahve to keep the channel updated, coz you know your brother and I have zimm's number |
| 22:44.40 | Jenson | grrr excuse me, X is fucking with me |
| 22:44.43 | Jenson | Need to restart |
| 22:44.45 | Jenson | BRB |
| 22:44.55 | new2unix | yeah. but... i dont get to speak to my brother. he only rings when he's after something |
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| 22:48.47 | new2unix | wb |
| 22:48.50 | Jenson | ty |
| 22:49.53 | new2unix | where was i? yes. I dont get to speak to my bro that much and he only comes round mine when he's after something. eg. my rollerblades |
| 22:50.20 | Jenson | Ah wll, I'll speak to zimm, and he'll be at the installfest |
| 22:50.49 | new2unix | he came round for my rollerblades in September cos this girl he was after was a keen rollerbladder. he wanted to go for private classes but didnt want to dish out on a new pair. |
| 22:51.12 | Jenson | lol how old is he? |
| 22:51.19 | new2unix | over 25 |
| 22:51.38 | Jenson | old enough to buy his own :P |
| 22:51.43 | new2unix | yep. lol |
| 22:52.44 | Jenson | Ah, ex is still fscking with me |
| 22:52.52 | Jenson | I might have to reboot in a minute |
| 22:52.55 | Jenson | X |
| 22:52.56 | Jenson | not ex |
| 22:52.57 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:52.59 | new2unix | the last time i asked him about my blades, he said it was too cold to go out practicing. havent asked for them since. i feel he'll say its too cold. lol |
| 22:52.59 | Jenson | cant type |
| 22:53.43 | new2unix | ex? i wonder what Dankolb would say about that? "ex still fcuking me up". lol |
| 22:54.20 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:54.36 | Jenson | If me and Dan survive much longer anyway I'd be surprised. |
| 22:55.03 | new2unix | nah. you too are made for each other. its written in the stars. Cupid told me so. ;) |
| 22:55.08 | Jenson | awww |
| 22:55.54 | new2unix | all you need to do is quit flirting with the boys. lol |
| 22:56.04 | Jenson | It's not about that |
| 22:57.22 | cupis | new2unix: ahem |
| 23:28.29 | new2unix | ibot seen new2unix |
| 23:28.33 | | new2unix is currently on #gllug (2h 33m 11s). Has said a total of 71 messages. Is idling for 4s |
| 23:28.52 | stephen | well done, you proved your own existance |
| 23:28.56 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:28.59 | new2unix | lol |
| 23:39.11 | murb | no, just proved ibot has some latancy |
| 23:39.27 | murb | ibot seems to creat lots of noise |
| 23:39.27 | | murb: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:39.35 | murb | see what i mean? |
| 23:39.48 | new2unix | wb murb |
| 23:39.51 | murb | we can't even have disccusion about it, without it butting in and being rude |
| 23:39.54 | new2unix | where have you been hiding? |
| 23:39.56 | murb | new2unix: i never left. |
| 23:40.25 | new2unix | dont you mean "your never right"? |
| 23:40.26 | new2unix | lol |
| 23:40.42 | Jenson | ibot seen Jenson |
| 23:40.46 | | jenson is currently on #gllug (52m 7s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 4s |
| 23:40.52 | Jenson | Yeah |
| 23:40.55 | Jenson | we have! |
| 23:41.22 | new2unix | ibot seen god |
| 23:41.22 | | new2unix: i haven't seen 'god' |
| 23:41.27 | new2unix | good |
| 23:41.44 | Jenson | ibot zimm |
| 23:41.45 | | from memory, zimm is the heartbroken burnt out shell of post modern potential |
| 23:41.50 | Jenson | ibot formi |
| 23:41.51 | | hmm... formi is its-formi other personality |
| 23:41.59 | Jenson | Who is the one that is god lol |
| 23:42.06 | Jenson | ibot formi |
| 23:42.07 | | it has been said that formi is its-formi other personality |
| 23:42.33 | new2unix | ibot seen ibot |
| 23:42.33 | | new2unix: i haven't seen 'ibot' |
| 23:42.39 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:42.45 | Jenson | ibot sex |
| 23:42.45 | | Sorry, jenson, but I have a headache. |
| 23:43.03 | murb | ibot ibot ibot |
| 23:43.04 | | methinks ibot ibot is bad |
| 23:43.10 | new2unix | been stood up yet again. lol |
| 23:43.19 | murb | ibot ibot |
| 23:43.20 | | somebody said ibot was a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 23:43.50 | Jenson | lol new2unix |
| 23:44.32 | Jenson | Anyway, I'm off to bed |
| 23:44.56 | Huhn | nn Jenson |
| 23:45.06 | cupis | night Jenson |
| 23:45.10 | Jenson | night Huhn |
| 23:45.12 | Jenson | night cupis |
| 23:45.17 | Jenson | night murb |
| 23:45.20 | Jenson | night new2unix |
| 23:45.29 | *** part/#gllug Jenson (1000@213.122.228.93) |
| 23:46.48 | murb | talk about overkill. |
| 23:47.08 | new2unix | ibot overkill |
| 23:47.09 | | new2unix: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:47.52 | cupis | murb: do you think Jenson wanted to say goodnight? |
| 23:49.59 | murb | maybe, but she could probably have managed it in less than 4 lines. |
| 23:50.28 | cupis | murb: she used 6 :) |
| 23:51.56 | stephen | it's not now big it is, it's what you do with it! :) |
| 23:52.09 | stephen | how* |
| 23:52.14 | Huhn | oh, come on, stephen :)) |
| 23:52.54 | new2unix | its not the size of the ship, its the motion of the ocean |
| 23:53.36 | cupis | new2unix: no, it's you way your handle it |
| 23:53.43 | cupis | s/your/you/ |
| 23:55.31 | new2unix | huh? cupis, you suggesting that ive been doin it all wrong all this while? |
| 23:55.52 | cupis | new2unix: well, I didn't want to say anything, but... |
| 23:56.22 | new2unix | could that be why i only got 12 red roses yesterday and not 144? |
| 23:56.41 | cupis | could be |
| 23:56.59 | new2unix | bah. i didnt even get one. :(( |