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00:02.57*** join/#gllug Huhn (~huhn@guru164.netsonic.fi)
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00:25.35resuDaed_sshevening stephen
00:26.02stephenevening resuDaed_ssh
00:26.19resuDaed_sshjust got back from work :-)
00:26.29stephendamn, that's a long day
00:26.38resuDaed_sshgot to leave 6am tomorrow morning again :)
00:26.49stephenwhere are you working?
00:26.55stephenwhat are you doing?
00:27.10resuDaed_sshall over the place, today was bar work @ a hotel
00:27.19stephenok
00:27.32stepheni dunno whether or not to get a job
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00:27.39resuDaed_sshtomorrow till Friday, I'm not entirly sure what I am doing, more industrial though ... over in Staples Corner
00:28.11stepheni'd appreciate the extra money, but i don't really want to mix work and studying
00:28.19resuDaed_sshSaturday, I need to spend the entire day with my gf ... probably the most stressful day of the week
00:28.31stephen:(
00:28.32resuDaed_ssh(and expensive)
00:28.46resuDaed_sshI love her really, ut I need to sleep
00:29.15stephensee, being a geek, i've always avoided gf expenses
00:29.17stephen:)
00:29.35stephenyeah, i really could do with catching up on some sleep too, nn
00:29.51resuDaed_sshwell, I have a rare one, not a geek herself, but er 2 older brothers are ... therefore she has learnt to apprecaite them
00:30.16stephenah, makes it easier I suppose
00:30.48resuDaed_sshstill gets annoyed when I visit her @ her parents, and I disappear into her brothers room ... and start talking technical
00:31.35stephenlol, not I suppose most non-geeks wouldn't like that one bit
00:32.29resuDaed_sshanyway, I have to be up in 5 hours so I'd better disappear of to bed .. working 70ish hours a week doesn't leave much time for being geekish at the moment
00:32.41stephenno, nn resuDaed_ssh
00:32.45resuDaed_sshnight
00:32.57stephennight
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01:31.21eye69resuDaed: Shouldn't you be getting to bed? :)
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08:38.55zacharygood morning
08:54.06dank_workMorning
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09:46.06davilionmorning all
09:46.12dank_workMorning
09:46.29davilionhows are you?
09:47.30dank_workI'm okay
09:49.12dank_workYou?
09:49.25davilionnot so bad
09:49.29davilionjust getting ready to go to leeds
09:49.56dank_workI thought you were going to Leeds on Friday
09:50.17davilioni got to leeds lots these days
09:50.41daviliongoing to go to york as well today, and drop off a backup drive
09:51.47dank_workDo you spend most of your time up north, then?
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09:53.13davilionat the moment yes but its changing soon once my secondment runs out
09:53.30dank_workwhat happens then?
09:53.40davilionnot sure, i guess i'll be in the office and london more
09:53.51davilionbut still a lot of driving up and down
09:54.05dank_workAh, okay.
09:54.26davilionanybody else find gcc 3.2.2 really slow?
09:54.53dank_workDunno. I'm using 2.95.4
09:54.59dank_workBut have gcc3.1 installed
09:55.05dank_work(probably OOo needed it)
09:57.06dpashmorn
09:57.13dank_workMorning
09:57.43dpashbe nice to me
09:57.50dank_workDoes it smell that bad?
09:57.59dpashdank_work: I'll swap with you
09:58.22dank_workSure. I still have a cold :)
09:58.26dank_workAlthough it's almost over
09:59.05dpashso you'll have my cold for your scsi drive?
09:59.12dank_workNo
09:59.24dank_workI'll swap colds, though
10:05.24Huhnmoin
10:05.47dpashmorning
10:06.49Tarragonre
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10:25.31zacharydank_work: Just to let you know, I took the "Which OS are you?" quize (bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php). It said I was a Slackware user.
10:29.20dpashMojo Jojo
10:30.08Huhnurrrghs
10:30.26HuhnI'm Apple DOS 3.1 :((
10:31.31dpashIf I end up Windows ME, someone is going to be hurting ;)
10:31.40dpashdoh Apple DOS 3.1
10:32.38TarragonOS/2 ! Hurrah. Always knew I could trust the Elephant.
10:33.41Huhnat least I'm not a Win sth..
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10:34.15zacharymorning SpudUAway
10:35.55SpudUAwayHi Zach.
11:02.01zacharybrb
11:07.13highburymorning
11:13.57murbmoin
11:14.10*** join/#gllug stephen (~stephen@hn-30-37.brookes.ac.uk)
11:16.37stephenwoohoo! the sparc actually works!
11:20.25dank_workBWAH!
11:20.52stephenanyone know much a cheap crossover cable costs?
11:21.17dank_workDepends where you get it from
11:21.28dank_workYou should be able to get one from your computing services, possibly
11:21.31highburyMaplins £4.99 (guessing)
11:21.47stephenok cheers highbury & dank_work
11:22.11highburyactually I saw they sold a nice dongle to convert an ordinary cable to cross-over
11:22.39stephenyeah, but I don't even have any normal straight-through cables
11:22.54stephenexcept for the one I use to connect to the uni's network with
11:23.04dank_workWith my laptop, I don't need to care
11:23.07dank_workIt automatically switches :)
11:23.36stephenyeah, but I have a feeling that a sparc station 10 wouldn't
11:24.23dank_workTrue
11:25.01dank_workTry going up to Sinoco on the Headington Roundabout
11:25.42stephenok will do, but i'll check the Computing Services hardware place first
11:27.39dank_workOkay
11:39.42dank_workRight. http://testme.eco.li/screenshot_work1.jpg
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11:57.33stephennice desktop there dan
12:06.15dank_workThanks :)
12:12.07dank_workThe colour on that screenshot is correct, too :)
12:13.14stephenhere's mine http://wwwusers.brookes.ac.uk/02164690/desktop.png
12:13.23*** join/#gllug dpash (~david@host213-122-171-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
12:14.47stephenit's stupid, they give us just 3mb for our home directory, but 5mb for our web directory
12:14.48dank_workInteresting...
12:15.04dank_workSo store stuff in your web directory
12:15.18stephenwe aren't permitted to
12:16.09stephenapparenly they'll remove our directory if they catch us, but I doubt they're really looking
12:16.14murbstephen: so get an account on that silly linnux box then if it still exists.
12:16.38stephenwhich silly linux box?
12:17.48stephenanyway, all pooled PCs have zip drives in them, which should do once I leave halls and therefore can't transfer files by ftp
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12:22.31dank_workHello steev
12:22.38murbstephen: and your zip disk will last any length of time in random zip drives?
12:22.40steevmorin'
12:22.47dank_workAfternoon
12:23.03murbstephen: i thought there was a random project at brookes with a student looked after linux box.
12:23.10murbtheir certianly used to be.
12:23.15murbs/their/there/
12:23.22murbdank: indeed.
12:23.31stephenyeah, shinji, but it seems to be a hush-hush kind of project
12:23.32dank_workSo it should be a GNU/Linux box
12:23.52murbbut not to loud, you never know who will be googling for those initals
12:23.52SpudUAwaysteev?
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12:24.07steevaye
12:24.12dpashfreenode is playing up for me
12:24.12murbdank: unless it was running darwin or somthing...
12:24.29murbdank: said person.
12:24.31dank_workmurb: Then it wouldn't be a Linux box...
12:24.40stepheni only found out about shinji after a kinda random email I sent to a member of staff
12:25.03stephenanyway, it seems as if its down currently
12:25.40SpudUAwayYou still at work then Steev?
12:26.08dank_workIs Steev the Steev who was with our FOSDEM group?
12:27.00SpudUAwaydank_work: Dunno, that Steev neve uses IRC?  So it can't be!
12:27.07SpudUAwayOr can it???
12:27.13steevIt can be...
12:27.28dank_workYou are, then?
12:27.30SpudUAwayKewl.
12:27.38dank_workOh good :)
12:27.41steev...although it's very bad for my health.
12:27.45SpudUAwayWe might have to settle for an 'it might be!'.
12:28.00steevNot that anyone can sack me for wasting my time here now :)
12:28.03dank_workIt was the butler!
12:28.05SpudUAwaystephen: Did you do it?
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12:28.17dank_workHey Dave
12:28.19ClyphoxHiya
12:28.24dpashhi steev
12:28.25stephenSpudUAway: that, of course, depends on what 'it' you're refering to
12:29.01dpashanyone been to central London today?
12:29.07dank_workNope
12:29.08dank_workWhy?
12:29.12steevCC
12:29.17SpudUAwayMe.
12:29.21dank_workCC?
12:29.34steevCongestion Charge
12:29.38dank_workAh.
12:29.47SpudUAwayQuiet, apart from the hundreds of helicopters flying overhead looking for a news story.
12:29.51steevI fancied getting a photograph of every junction, replete with congestion
12:29.59steevmake a good double spread in 2morrows papers
12:30.01stephenradio2 said that traffic was flowing very well in the centre
12:30.03dank_workAm I sad?
12:30.09stephendank_work: very!
12:30.13dank_work:)
12:30.23dank_workThank you.
12:30.28stephenyw
12:30.28SpudUAwayBut it always does on school holidays.
12:30.34steevI see you[r|'re] sad, and raise you "dancing on the tables" sad :)
12:30.38TarragonSTEEV! How did you take getting fired ?    :-)
12:30.45steevI didn't - I resigned
12:30.55dank_workyou're == you are
12:31.01dank_workyour == belonging to you
12:31.09dank_workMy sad doesn't belong to me.
12:31.19steevALl your sad are belong to us
12:31.20steev[sorry]
12:31.43murbwhich country?
12:31.48SpudUAway'your' sad, from which steev is raising you, surely.
12:32.14murbalthough I supposed i should have asked county.
12:32.15dank_workThe country that most of us are currently in
12:32.19SpudUAwayI took it to be a poker reference.
12:33.48steev'twas a poker reference
12:34.08steev(the you're was a friendly agreement of sad-ness)
12:34.13dank_work:)
12:34.17dank_workOkay
12:34.25SpudUAwayThen, Shirley, it's 'your sad [hand]'?
12:34.27steevcombined in an unclever, unfunny but technically competant manner
12:34.39dank_workcompet*e*nt
12:38.33TarragonWe are GLLUG we are never really sad. Well maybe a bit depressed when the kernel does not compile, but deep down so happy 'cos we know we don't use Slack^H^H^H^H^H MS!
12:39.26SpudUAwaysteev, are you still on active service then, or have they stuck you in a back room with an internet connection to keep you out of trouble?
12:39.36TarragonOww
12:39.41stephenwith a slackware install cd, i'd like to add
12:39.56dank_work:-)
12:40.08stephenhaha, i now have slackware on my SPARC too
12:40.25dank_workGood :)
12:40.31TarragonBad!
12:40.47stephenanyone know how to check if the OS is utilizing both CPUs in a machine>
12:40.48SpudUAwayThat's below the belt.
12:40.48TarragonI completely surrender.
12:40.52Huhndank_work: uuuuah, that's bad
12:41.01dank_workcat /proc/cpuinfo ?
12:41.08dank_workHeh :)
12:42.09stephendank_work: cheers, damn, it's not, looks like I need a smp kernel
12:42.32dank_workTime to compile...
12:43.10stephendank_work: nah, seeing I only have a 500mb hard drive, i didn't install any of the d series, hopefully there's one on the cd
12:43.20dank_workMaybe...
12:44.32stephenthere's only one way to find out...
12:44.40dank_workMount it!
12:45.53dank_work:)
12:46.01dank_workModern laptop or desktop?
12:46.31stephenheavy modern laptop
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12:47.20dank_workSounds reasonable, really
12:48.01stephenyeah, it would be, except it has a mandrake install disk in it ;(
12:48.59stephenand a hammer i hope ;)
12:49.15dank_workTry snapping it in your hands first
12:51.15gj:)
12:52.36stephenprobably not as satisfying
12:52.45dank_workIt can be
12:52.55dank_workHaven't you ever tried crushing a floppy disk in your hand?
12:53.43stephenyeah, point made
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12:55.05stephenlike janet ;)
12:55.09dank_workYup
12:57.02stephenyeah, i certainly will next year
13:00.41dank_workGet NTL and whinge on the OxLUG list about them.
13:00.44dank_workEveryone else does :)
13:01.29Clyphox|workf2s owns
13:01.55stephendank_work: yeah, I noticed
13:02.35stephenpeople have been recommending nildram for adsl, but I'll have to see how many pennies I have left over for thnings like internet next year
13:03.20dank_workClyphox|work: don't you mean '0wnZ!'?
13:03.35dank_workThere's always enough pennies for Internet
13:07.05dank_workCan you live without IRC?
13:07.30Clyphox|workI just like f2s
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13:08.07Clyphox|workI tihnk in general the smaller ISP's are better as they tend to have less load..
13:08.10dank_workThey provide me with an Internet connection that just works.
13:08.17dank_workOTOH, bigger ISPs have more equipment
13:08.39Clyphox|workLike Blueyonders UrbanTerror servers.. hehe
13:08.45dank_work:)
13:08.59Clyphox|workeek.. gtg..
13:09.06dank_workBossman?
13:09.11Clyphox|worky
13:09.43dank_work(* quickly flicks over to his email screen)
13:24.54SpudUAwaymurb: Why, do you think it has changed?
13:25.48murbSpudUAway: sorry that was OOB
13:26.45SpudUAway'Out of Bounds'?
13:31.38murbOut Of Band
13:31.42Clyphox|workWork is overrated
13:33.21dank_workMaybe that'll make you happier?
13:33.26TarragonAnyone going to the UKUUG winter conf?
13:33.34Clyphox|worker padi
13:33.35dank_workPlenty of people
13:33.36Clyphox|worker paid
13:33.43Clyphox|workWHere is it?
13:34.00dank_workIn nodnoL
13:34.02HuhnTarragon: cannot afford it :(
13:34.07Clyphox|workwhen?
13:34.28TarragonInstitue of Physics London 18 - 19 Feb
13:34.49Clyphox|workDamn I'm working all day on both..
13:34.55Clyphox|workdamn damn damn..
13:35.08Clyphox|workThis always happens too me :((
13:35.15Clyphox|workI Hate Mondays..
13:35.21dank_workAwww
13:35.36Clyphox|workI can't drink at work :((((
13:35.44Clyphox|workNot even Cofee!! :((
13:35.48Clyphox|work[Sob]
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13:35.59dank_workWhat!?
13:36.03Clyphox|workjk
13:36.06dank_workThat's below the belt! :)
13:36.13Clyphox|workA bit extreme I know..
13:36.25dank_workYou can drink coffee, can't you?
13:36.38murbit is very expensive
13:36.45murbthe ukuug thingi.
13:37.10stephenwoohoo, both cpus are online
13:38.42Clyphox|workWhat ya got?
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13:38.59stephendual 50Mhz SPARC ;)
13:39.06Clyphox|workI got dual Copermines :) Hard drive died last night.. (this happens alot to me..)
13:39.13Clyphox|workWow.. I'm jealous
13:39.17dank_workD'oh!
13:39.20stephenyeah, i know
13:39.23Clyphox|workOhh..
13:39.37Clyphox|workAnyone know if/how/where I can get and run Solaris on x86?
13:39.44stepheni've had like 3 drives die in a couple of years
13:40.04stephenit sucks
13:40.16Clyphox|workI've had many die this YEAR
13:40.33dank_workwww.sun.com
13:40.43dank_workYou can get it, but it'll cost you about $20
13:40.56dank_workAlternatively, I have a copy of Solaris8 at home (which I haven't yet tried)
13:40.58Clyphox|workThey stoped supporting it afaik..
13:41.13Clyphox|workThat would be nice... much cheaper too heheh
13:41.37Clyphox|workAlas only x86 crud in my house :( (barr my delapidated macs)
13:41.50dank_workSure.
13:41.56dank_workMaybe I should try if it works first...
13:41.58Clyphox|workI nearly won a ss20 on ebay once..  :((
13:42.22Clyphox|workI actually downloaded the demo over a year ago but never found time to try it out..
13:42.31stephensun i think got bored of people bitching to them about the demise of x86 solaris, so I think solaris 9 for x86 does exist, somewhere                                                                                                                    
13:42.40Clyphox|workJust want to put it under my belt.. know I won't like it like NetBSD
13:43.02dank_workstephen: It does. And available for download or something
13:43.30stephenClyphox|work: me and a mate got 4 SS10s from a 'remarketing' firm in south oxfordshire, they had no idea what they were really
13:43.56stephenincluding keyboards, mice, and speakers, all for 40 notes, not bad
13:44.32Clyphox|workSelling any?
13:44.52Clyphox|workUse it at home as a firewall/webserver :)
13:54.57dank_workNot working any more?
13:55.04Clyphoxno..
13:55.05ClyphoxI feel more civilzed now..
13:55.09Clyphoxthats all :)
13:55.10dank_work:)
13:55.37dank_workWhee! Alter.Net is fucked up YET AGAIN!
13:55.48stephenClyphox: nah, just to mess around with, there are probably loads in similar firms if you have the time to look at their websites + ebay
13:55.48dank_workWhat completely incompetent muppets run that place?
14:02.15Clyphoxhmmm.. pizza..
14:02.22Clyphoxtheres a great little joint here that sells them for a quid each! :)
14:02.41dank_workNice :)
14:03.14Clyphoxdaed_resu knows about it gladly :)
14:07.44Clyphoxhmmm beef
14:07.47Clyphoxhmmm ham
14:07.52Clyphoxhmmm garlic...
14:08.00Clyphoxhmmm FRESH garlic...
14:08.45dank_work:)
14:10.16ClyphoxDamn anything that costs a pound and takes this long too eat is good :-)
14:10.48dank_workheh
14:12.52ClyphoxI'm a jobless NooB
14:13.36dank_workAww :)
14:14.22Clyphoxhow does I geteth a blessed job with unix?
14:15.12dpashClyphox: you much experience?
14:15.57dank_workWhat's your job currently?
14:16.07Clyphox3 years networking with linux/doze and just about everything hardware..
14:16.31ClyphoxI Make/support/fix Small bussiness Linux server..
14:16.32dpashClyphox: shouldn;t bee too hard
14:16.41Clyphoxsendmail/samba/pppd crap
14:16.55dank_workYou should be okay, hopefully.
14:17.00Clyphox:(
14:17.06dpashClyphox: phone some of the IT adgencies
14:17.32dank_workyeah. Call some slave-traders
14:17.35Clyphoxhehe
14:17.39Clyphoxwhat sould I say?
14:17.51ClyphoxI don't even know "what" I am.. (jobwise)
14:17.53dank_workHello, I want a Unix admin job
14:17.56dpashI should warn you that jobs are a little scarce atm
14:18.03dpashClyphox: what dank_work says
14:18.06ClyphoxYear.. I'm ok with Xbsd I suppose..
14:18.22dank_workDo you have much experience of Solaris?
14:18.22dpashhelps to be direct
14:18.29dpashrather than shifty nod-nod-wink-wink stylee
14:18.58ClyphoxNo thats why I would like to try it out..
14:19.10dank_workAh. Get some. :)
14:19.22dank_workAnd maybe Irix, too, if you can
14:19.24dpashClyphox: I have a copy of 7 here if you want to borrow it
14:19.54dpashWill have to wait until the installfest
14:19.54dank_workvigorously
14:19.56dank_workHTH
14:19.58Clyphoxer.. not really.. too lazy..
14:20.00Clyphoxhehe
14:20.31dpashit is about 3 years old
14:20.34dpashoh and you can;t use it to develop nuclear weapons
14:20.41dank_workDamn.
14:21.13dank_workClyphox: Try to get as much experience of as many different Unix types as possible.
14:21.17dank_workAnd non-Unix, too.
14:21.34dpashI have a copy of QNX and BeOS too
14:21.40dank_workGood :)
14:21.51ClyphoxI beosMax
14:22.03Clyphoxand that one floppy QNX demo hehe
14:22.10ClyphoxNever burnt the ISO
14:22.26dpashgod w2k AS install takes ages to format 40Gb
14:22.42ClyphoxLol.. I did that last week!
14:22.48dank_work:)
14:23.09dpashI did have a OS X i386 install CD somewhere
14:23.21ClyphoxI have 4 OS'es on my laptop.. working on getting more one.. and UML :-)
14:23.25dpashit was basically dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/had
14:23.35Clyphox!! I want it now!!
14:23.42Clyphoxj/k
14:23.43dank_workdpash: You mean, Darwin/x86?
14:23.55dpashthats the one. I couldn;t remember the name of the kernel
14:24.07dank_workOS X is the complete Darwin+Aqua
14:24.12dank_workOkay. Who wants OpenStep, then?
14:24.16dank_work(NeXT for i386)
14:24.19ClyphoxI have never worked with micro kernels..
14:24.21Clyphoxme!!
14:24.23dpashthat was from about 1 year ago too
14:24.32ClyphoxI really really want it!
14:24.34dpashanyone remember how much ibuprofen you can have in 24 hour period?
14:24.38Clyphoxand os2
14:24.53Clyphoxdo you know how hard it is too find these things (just to try) on gnutella
14:25.30dank_workdpash: About 6 tablets?
14:25.50dpashdank_work: that doesn't help as I have some fat single tablet things
14:25.54dank_workAh
14:26.17dpash24x400mg
14:26.17dpashinstead of 16x200mg
14:27.20dank_workAh
14:28.37ClyphoxI like tablets
14:28.49Clyphoxvery nice for drawing with(muhaha)
14:29.04Clyphox(worry for me.. I'm at work and its Monday and I need sleep)
14:29.49dank_work:)
14:30.14dank_workRight. It's in bin/cue format (Openstep)
14:30.35dpashping
14:30.41ClyphoxYou can burn em under linux fourtunatly
14:30.43dank_workpong
14:30.48dank_workYeah...
14:30.50dpashthat was close
14:30.54dank_workMaybe Toast under OS X will work
14:30.57dpashgot to about 85seconds lag
14:33.33Clyphoxphone
14:33.49dank_workHELLO?
14:35.18dpash?
14:37.34ClyphoxI thought NextStep died entirely long ago..
14:37.49dank_workNah. Some of it is in OS X
14:37.56ClyphoxI wonder where I can buy old Next boxen.. they look gr8
14:38.04dank_workePay
14:38.14dank_workYou'd be lucky to get some. I'm still waiting to get one from Physics.ox
14:39.19murbdank: are you on the waiting list?
14:39.22dank_workYup
14:39.28dank_workI asked Charles last OxLUG
14:39.39dank_workHe said they were still keeping some spares going
14:39.45dank_workBut he'll let me know...
14:40.15Clyphoxgluck
14:40.29Clyphoxbloody mail servers..
14:40.52ClyphoxI don't even get given a chance how to do it.. can't even get my boss to get full dns control.. gah..
14:41.01dank_workthanks
14:41.06dank_workHeh
14:41.29ClyphoxI gotta do it now, well and at not cost..
14:41.39Clyphoxer not=no
14:42.17dank_work:)
14:42.32Clyphox|gahYou think dis it beink funny punk!
14:42.37Clyphox|gahj/k
14:45.30dank_workhave fun
15:18.42dpashinstalled win2k server and then it wouldn;t accept any admin password. now reinstalling
15:18.50dank_workD'oh
15:18.55dank_workMaybe you entered it wrong?
15:19.35dpashtwince?
15:19.47dank_workMaybe...
15:19.50dank_workIt happens
15:20.12dpashnow waiting 30mintes to format 40Gb again
15:20.34dank_workDo you have to check for bad sectors?
15:21.55dpashdon't know
15:22.03dpashwhat ever the installer does
15:22.59dank_work:)
15:36.27dank_workwb
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15:39.24Clyphoxta
15:45.25dank_work:)
15:45.37Clyphoxwb
15:46.20dpashsadly we have email pop boxes with them
15:46.20dpashhopefully they will be going soon
15:46.24dpashbut we are getting a sat service in this week
15:46.30dpashso all should be well
15:46.51dank_workGood luck...
15:47.08dpashnah we know this setup works
15:47.19dpashwe tested it for 3 weeks over christmas
15:47.33dpashwe get 600ms latency pretty much all the time
15:47.53dpashunlike the BT service which could go up to 16000ms at times
15:48.04dpashyes that figure is correct (16seconds)
15:48.13dank_workeek
15:49.18dpashyou can say that again
15:49.31dank_workeek
15:49.37dpashand the bandwidth was so bad, my irc connection would die for no reason with no other traffic in the middle of the night
15:49.45dpashyou can say that again
15:50.06dank_workI kept getting disconnected every 5 minutes
15:50.25dank_workSometimes it'd take me about 6 or 7 goes to reconnect
15:50.33dpashdank_work: you have BT sat service?
15:50.33dpashs/have/had/
15:50.42dank_workNo. I had their modem (dis)service
15:51.03dpashthat is what we are using atm
15:51.27dpashlast week was crap, but I replaced the modem over the weekend and we have had much better service
15:51.37HuhnWRITEanyone interested in a Geek-Ski-Trip to Tux? (last week of March)
15:52.02dank_workhm
15:52.04dpashPhil has already ask me
15:52.08dank_workHuhnWRITE: To Tux?
15:52.13dpashcan't afford it after brussels
15:52.21HuhnWRITEdank_work: that's a village in Austria ;)
15:52.26dank_workAhh :)
15:52.33dpashthat isn;t the full name iirc
15:52.37dpashbut it ends in tux
15:52.51HuhnWRITEit's called Hintertux, but the valley is called Tuxertal (valley of Tux)
15:53.46dpashit does look cool. last week they had about 6-8 interested people
15:53.55HuhnWRITEat the mom I have:
15:54.04HuhnWRITE7 definite, 4 maybes
15:54.18dpashhttp://www.hands.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geekski
15:54.23HuhnWRITEsi
15:55.21dpashHuhnWRITE: are you going then?
15:55.30HuhnWRITEdpash: I'm the organising chicken ;)
15:55.42HuhnWRITEof course I will go
15:55.57murbisn't skiing quite expensive?
15:56.04dpashesp after I think you told me last week
15:56.18dpashmurb: yes esp in milton keynes
15:56.26HuhnWRITEmurb: depends.. I've managed to arrange cheap accomodation, of course the skiing pass and the travel costs..
15:56.40murbdpash: wycombe summit isn't far from here, but i don't think it has much snow ...
15:56.48murbalthough they have had atleast 1 fatality
15:59.15dpashHuhnWRITE: I blame the fact I have a cold for being dumb today
15:59.22dpashmurb: milton keynes has snow
16:00.05dpashand the french ex-dome boss bloke
16:00.45murbdpash: it is doomed the.
16:00.47murbn
16:01.30murbdpash: you didn't come to the GLLUG picnic at BP?
16:01.32dpashprobably
16:02.02dpashbritish petrolum?
16:02.05dpashmurb: no I found out about it at about 1:30
16:02.09dpashstart was 12:00
16:02.30dpashis only 25min drive from here
16:02.57dpashI wasn't only the list at the time
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16:09.17dpash___anyone recommend a dialup service?
16:12.33murbno.
16:12.40murbthey all suck.
16:13.33dank_workBut they're 0845
16:14.58dpash___someone just killed a HP LJ4050tn
16:15.53dpash___they fucked the on-off switch and now they can;t turn it on
16:16.06dpashlusers
16:16.29dpashand guess who has to fix it now?
16:16.57dank_workYours truly?
16:17.15dpashyep
16:17.18dpashor my boss
16:18.36dank_workheh
16:19.10dpashthey've just managed to turn the thing on, but the switch is still knackered
16:19.16dpashw2k server let me log on that time
16:19.23dank_workGood :)
16:21.02ClyphoxWe get lots of ID ten T errors here...
16:24.17dank_workAll places do
16:45.15Clyphoxcusterom
16:45.18Clyphoxasdasd
16:46.16dank_workwha?
16:48.46Clyphoxcustomer.. sry in a rush
16:48.50Clyphoxer was in a rush
16:49.06dank_work:)
16:49.14ClyphoxCool..
16:49.25ClyphoxDone anything cool on your 8512 recently?
16:49.31ClyphoxI'm just glad mine works hehe
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16:50.17ClyphoxHello
16:50.29resuDaed_sshafternoon Clyphox
16:50.53Clyphoxdank_work , Want copies of my system disks? I got quite a few when I got it..
16:51.01ClyphoxHowz life resuDaed
16:51.15dank_workNah. It's been turned off for some time
16:51.32ClyphoxI only really turned mine on when I got it last year
16:51.39ClyphoxI have an apple 2!!
16:51.46dank_workCool :)
16:51.47ClyphoxIts my other old banger :)
16:51.51dank_workHEh.
16:51.52ClyphoxWow..
16:51.57dank_workLook at my pictures of mine...
16:52.02resuDaed_sshClyphox : not too bad, just working far too hard
16:52.06ClyphoxI got it form a friend for doing their network at home
16:52.10dank_workNice :)
16:52.23Clyphoxwhere where? I love PC porn..
16:52.33Clyphoxresudaed I know I know..
16:52.42dank_workClyphox: Read your private message
16:52.48dank_workOr, http://eco.li/photos/Computers/
16:53.01Clyphox?
16:53.34Clyphoxyou have a pdp 11!
16:53.43dank_workYeah.
16:54.07resuDaed_sshClyphox : mouse sensitivity in X
16:54.08resuDaed_ssh?
16:54.29resuDaed_sshwb Huhn
16:54.36Huhnthanks
16:54.50Clyphoxman xset
16:54.51dank_workThere's a NetBSD port to the PDP-10 in progress
16:55.01ClyphoxUltra COOL!
16:55.10Clyphoxdank_work, WHERE DID YOU GET IT!
16:55.16dank_workWhat? The PDP?
16:55.17Clyphoxer.. don't mean to shout
16:55.24Clyphoxyes..
16:55.31dank_workPerson I met on IRC.
16:55.35ClyphoxWow!
16:55.40dank_workHe said he had a PDP, and I asked if I could have it
16:55.42dank_work(jokingly)
16:55.46dank_workAnd he said that I could
16:55.51dank_workSo I went to London and picked it up
16:55.59ClyphoxHow did you transport it?
16:56.02dank_workUnfortunately the hard drive is dead
16:56.07dank_workUnder my arm, and on the bus
16:56.10dank_work(and on the train)
16:56.37ClyphoxWow.. much smaller than the ones I saw..
16:56.46Clyphoxhad ppl making fridges out of them hehe
16:56.50dank_workYeah, they can be small :)
16:57.08dank_work(although the VAX has a proper case around it)
16:57.15dank_workAnd I've got a larger MicroVAX
16:57.19dank_work(which isn't working ATM)
16:57.21ClyphoxI have a bad feeling my fiancee won't let me collect PC's
16:57.30Clyphoxbut tough. I will like it or not
16:57.35resuDaed_sshClyphox : I'd be inclined to agree with you
16:57.45resuDaed_ssh:)
16:58.48ClyphoxI want to try get an AT
16:58.51Clyphoxand an XT
16:59.02Clyphoxand a 286 to relive the old days (when I started)
16:59.24ClyphoxThen some DEC/Next/Beboxen maybe
16:59.27dank_workYou want an AT?
16:59.32dank_workCome pick one up
16:59.39dank_workAnd take a few other old PCs with you
17:00.08ClyphoxWhere are you?
17:00.23ClyphoxI would love too. I have a half working day on Friday
17:00.35ClyphoxAm flying out off london at 18:30
17:00.51dank_workIn Beaconsfield (around High Wycombe)
17:01.03Clyphoxohh dear.. is that in london?
17:01.10dank_workNo. It's outside
17:01.32dank_workDo you have a car?
17:01.43ClyphoxI can get a lift with my dad maybe
17:01.44Clyphoxno
17:02.32dank_workAh.
17:02.36ClyphoxNot too far I'm sure.. I'm in Enfield.. /me looks at a map
17:02.55dank_workM40, Junction 2/Jn. 3
17:03.02dank_work(I'm half-way between them)
17:03.13resuDaed_sshthat is a fair trek
17:03.49ClyphoxOxfordshire?
17:03.56dank_workNo. Bucks
17:04.07dank_workAlthough fairly close to Oxfordshire
17:04.08ClyphoxAhh closer I think..
17:04.16dank_workHP9, if you want Streetmap
17:05.00ClyphoxIts a small Village/town right?
17:05.54ClyphoxI'm also going to collect consoles.. started with my N64 (lol..)
17:07.03ClyphoxThat is a really beautiful collection.. very moving.
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17:09.20dank_work:)
17:09.29dank_workIt's a small-ish town.
17:09.33dank_workWell, ~10k people
17:09.39Clyphoxcool
17:09.44dank_workAnd a GameGear
17:09.59ClyphoxHow do you get work in a small place like that ? and DSL?
17:10.15dank_workThis area is fairly good on tech industry
17:10.22dank_workThe whole High Wycombe, Maidenhead area
17:10.31dank_workYeah, DSL isn't a problem
17:10.37TarragonM4 corridor
17:10.46dank_workBasically
17:10.58ClyphoxWhat do you do?
17:11.16ClyphoxI'm sure I've already asked.. hehe
17:11.22dank_workSome sort of system admin
17:11.29Clyphoxheh
17:11.35Clyphoxme too..
17:11.44Clyphoxof some sort
17:12.01dank_workHeh :)
17:12.38Clyphoxyou don't have a L.A.R.T hehe
17:13.19Clyphoxwoops.. dead link : http://eco.li/photos/Computers/PCS/polyphemus/
17:13.26dank_workYes I do have a LART :)
17:13.31dank_workYeah. Change PCS to PCs
17:13.39ClyphoxWOW! Can I move in with you?
17:13.47ClyphoxI'll have your babies...
17:13.48dank_workHeh :) Only with difficulty.
17:13.58dank_workBut you can come visit if yo uwant
17:14.00dank_work*you want
17:14.29Clyphoxhehe
17:14.48Clyphoxstill dead
17:15.35dank_workAh.
17:15.39dank_workPCs/Polyphemus
17:16.29Clyphox2Gig hdd!
17:16.31Clyphoxheh
17:16.34dank_workYeah.
17:16.37dank_workSplit into 8 partitions
17:17.01dank_workI've finally got some NW 3.1[12] disks. Maybe I'll upgrade
17:17.08ClyphoxWhy not slackware?
17:17.13dank_workWhy Slackware?
17:17.16dank_workWhy not Netware?
17:17.25ClyphoxNetware is boring..
17:17.28Clyphoxwell
17:17.31Clyphoxno
17:17.35Clyphoxsorry
17:17.36dank_workNo it's not :)
17:17.42dank_workLinux is boring.
17:17.44ClyphoxI'll leave if you want
17:17.55ClyphoxHey I work with novell too :((
17:17.56dank_workHeh. Nah, it's okay.
17:18.18dank_workIt seems like it's what a server *should* be.
17:18.34dank_workIt has a nice console, and you can't use it for user tasks like web browsing
17:18.43ClyphoxI had great fun with Veritas Backup server/client on NW5 last Friday
17:18.59ClyphoxI know what you mean
17:19.00dank_work(although I'm sure it's possible to port lynx/links to Netware, as an NLM)
17:19.14ClyphoxWell they got X and fvwm2 so why not..
17:19.25dank_workIt could be Veritas
17:19.28dank_workBut I can't remember
17:19.32dank_workIt's in the loft somewhere :)
17:19.36ClyphoxIt works.. and my customers lie
17:19.49Clyphoxthe program log sais "Terminated by keyboard"
17:19.57dank_workHeh
17:20.06Clyphoxbut "Nooo... We didn't do anytihng out of the normal.. uhh uhh... we good.."
17:20.16dank_workYeah yeah :)
17:20.21ClyphoxSo I say : "Yeah.... riiigghhhtt.... ok..."
17:20.25dank_workRule 1. People are stupid.
17:20.29Clyphoxand grumble all the way home..
17:20.34ClyphoxID10T
17:20.37dank_workRule 2. If people are not stupid, refer to Rule 1.
17:20.40Clyphoxer IT ten T
17:20.44Clyphoxlol
17:20.46dank_worker ID ten T
17:21.16IDtenTheehee..
17:21.29IDtenTNow I actually feel like I'm worth it!
17:21.35IDtenTCause after all...
17:22.05dank_work:)
17:22.45IDtenTack the boss is residential..
17:22.49IDtenTI hide now..
17:22.54dank_workDUCK!
17:23.59IDtenTyes?
17:24.04dank_workQuack
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18:04.35dank_workHometime
18:07.31zacharybbl
18:07.52dpashhmm doesn't sound a bad idea
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18:55.35resuDaed_sshafternoon Jenson
18:55.41resuDaed_sshafternoon eye69
18:56.20Jensonhi resuDaed
18:56.22Jensonhi eye69
18:56.33resuDaed_sshthink he auto-connected actually
18:56.50Jensonyeah, quite possibly
18:57.13resuDaed_sshhows your day been?
18:57.25JensonTwo of the mails I got from the gllug list today were datestamped June 2001, even though they were part of a thread - weird
18:57.31JensonMy day has been ok yeah
18:57.32JensonYours?
18:58.06resuDaed_sshI had a day off today, slept till about 12
18:58.19JensonSounds like the best idea
18:58.53resuDaed_sshand my email provider is down, so I cannot buy stuff online @ moment
19:08.23Huhnre
19:08.49Jensonre
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19:09.32Davilionevening
19:09.43Jensonhey Davilion
19:11.36Jensontwonkle.com lol
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19:16.02Davilionhi dan
19:16.16Jensonhey
19:16.35dankolbHi
19:16.39dankolbhey
19:22.36dankolb208 emails today
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19:24.06dankolbHi Leeds
19:24.08Jensonhi Leeds
19:24.13Leedsevening guys
19:24.17Davilionevening leeds.
19:24.17Leedsand gals
19:40.29Davilionhows it going leeds?
19:40.52Leedsnot bad... just got back from a weekend in Leeds...
19:40.58Leedsphotos will be up in a few minutes :-)
19:41.18dankolbCool :)
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19:41.40Davilionoooh that reminds me
19:42.50dankolbhi zachary
19:43.07zacharyevening dankolb
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19:44.09Leedsokay, going to be more than a few minutes...  big pictures :-) 32Mb of them...
19:44.32Leedsplus 18Mb of movie...
19:44.33dankolbwb Jenson
19:44.44Jensonty
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20:15.38Leedsphotos at http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/leeds_oneday and movies (not to be spread around, not that I think anyone here would care) at http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/leeds_oneday/Kol%20Rina/movies/
20:17.05Leedsbig pics...
20:17.19Leedsand yes, there are fosdem pics there too :-)
20:21.48murbLeeds: not to spead arround, but this chnnel is logged </pred>
20:22.25Leedsmurb: I know... I didn't mean that - I meant not to tell all your friends
20:23.04dankolbWe have friends?
20:23.17Leedswell, murb doesn't...
20:27.39Leedsthe point of the movies, by the way, is more the sound than the video...
20:29.07murbI don't suppose the movies will be fun to download at 28.8kbits/second
20:30.00Leedswell, they're all around 3 meg...  I like the singing, but it's quite a lot... maybe I should strip the audio tracks out
20:44.08dankolbMy Win95 machine is making funny noises
20:44.34Leeds"You've got mail!"
20:44.41dankolbNo.
20:44.46dankolbOdd hardware noises.
20:44.56Huhnthe computer wants a new OS ;)
20:45.19TarragonSort of high pitched squeking?
20:45.31dankolbYeah..
20:45.34Leedsclicking?
20:45.38dankolbWhee!
20:45.42dankolbNo. What Tarragon said.
20:46.06TarragonAh that just means you have not fed Clippy!
20:46.20dankolbNo Office on there. I don't think, at least.
20:48.16murbtalking paperclips?
20:48.22murbnearly as bad as talking cutlery
20:48.29Leedsvigor to the rescue!
20:49.07murbwell more knives
20:50.07dankolbThere is no spoon
20:50.26Leedsthere is if you believe Uri Gellar
20:50.39LeedsGeller? doesn't really matter, it's Hebrew anyway...
20:50.45dankolbWell, Uri Geller had been in the Falstaff
20:51.12Leedsdankolb: very true
20:51.46dankolbAhh.
20:51.49dankolbIt's not my hardware.
20:51.57stephenbut you obviously haven't freed your mind enouh, so you *still* believe it exists and therefore it still hurts
20:52.00dankolbIt's my phone that's making the squeaking noise
20:52.02dankolbNo.
20:52.06dankolbMy mind is blank.
20:52.11dankolbAsk Leeds - he knows me well enough
20:52.16Leedsalways :-)
20:52.29Leeds"blank" or "a blank"? :-)
20:52.31dankolbAnd even if he didn't, he'd still be happy to tell you my mind is empty
20:52.37dankolbEither :)
21:03.59murbdoes anyone have a Psion Dacom pcmcia modem dongle, but not the modem?
21:06.07zacharymurb: I might have one. It's a Psion, but I don't know the model. The modem blew over a year ago. I'll check
21:07.00dankolbmurb: You looking for a dongle?
21:12.06zacharymurb: Sorry, it's a Psion Gold Card Global 56K
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21:26.32new2unixhi all
21:26.57dankolbHi
21:27.15new2unixibot seen zimm
21:27.20zimm <~plato@public2-bror1-4-cust195.bror.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1d 22h 44m 54s ago, saying: 'byeee'.
21:27.59new2unixhi dan
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22:17.08Huhndankolb: ?
22:17.39dankolbIt's very quiet
22:17.55HuhnI'm still working
22:18.04dankolbTumbleweeds are those balls that roll across the ground in deserted areas
22:19.02Huhnmh, is it gtk, Gtk or GTK?
22:19.14dankolbDepends :)
22:19.20Huhn*sigh*
22:19.25Huhnthat's what google is telling me
22:20.12dankolbBut I may not be correct
22:20.31Huhnthnx anyway, I choose GTK
22:20.36dankolbOkay :)
22:20.41dankolbIt's up to the editor to fix it :)
22:20.50Huhngna, I'm the editor ;))
22:20.55dankolbSo fix it :)
22:21.00Huhnlol, I did!
22:21.03dankolbHehe.
22:21.12Huhnthe author had all 3 versions ;)
22:21.14dankolbAs long as it's consistent throughout..
22:21.15dankolb:)
22:21.27dankolbWell, it's an acronym, so should be capitalised
22:22.10HuhnI agree
22:22.22dankolbOkay. GTK it is, then :)
22:22.52Huhnany complaints will be forwarded to you ;)
22:23.09dankolbSure. Send them to devnull@eco.li
22:24.21Huhn:)
22:24.32dankolb(yet, it does direct mail to /dev/null)
22:24.42Huhnnice
22:24.52dankolbYeah. Procmail is good that way
22:26.51HuhnI like procmail
22:28.06dankolbI have a system-wide procmailrc, plus an individual one
22:28.57dankolbThe most advanced rules I have are:
22:29.00dankolb:0 Hhbwf
22:29.16dankolb* ^X-Spam-Status.*hits=[0-9]+[0-9]\.*
22:29.25dankolb| formail -a "X-Spam: Yes"
22:29.41dankolbAnd the same again, but with *hits=[5-9]\.*
22:30.03Huhnnice ;)
22:30.18dankolbYeah. Only because something is slightly wrong with Spamassassin's spamd
22:30.21HuhnI wrote a killfile for one mail address:
22:30.52Huhn:0
22:30.59dankolbIt scores properly, but doesn't seem to return the correct exit code, so it always comes up with X-Spam-Status: No (even with, say, a spam score of 15)
22:30.59Huhn* ^From.*XYZ
22:31.05Huhn{
22:31.05Huhn:0 c
22:31.14Huhn| (echo "Stop writing emails." | /bin/mail -s Deleted XYZ)
22:31.16Huhn:0
22:31.17HuhnSchrott
22:31.17Huhn}
22:31.19dankolb:-)
22:31.37dankolbSomeone annoyed you that much?
22:31.44Huhnyes
22:31.49Huhnit works ;)
22:31.51dankolb:)
22:31.56dankolbbrb
22:32.05Huhnand it was a good opportunity to learn procmail
22:36.29dankolbback
22:36.30dankolb:)
22:36.54Huhnarticle finished
22:36.54dankolb:)
22:36.57dankolbWell done
22:36.58new2unixda:  was it space food.  that was damn quick
22:37.05dankolbNah. Nothing special
22:37.18dankolbGrab something out of the jar, and eat it
22:37.47Huhntoo simple
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22:38.00dankolbYeah.
22:38.02dankolbFar too simple.
22:39.27Huhnbtw: the article was interesting, compared peer-to-peer clients for Linux
22:39.41dankolbWhich ones exist?
22:39.53HuhneDonkey, Overnet
22:40.03Huhnmldonkey
22:40.06dankolbOkay. And did any of them have Muppet Show episodes? ;-)
22:40.10HuhncDonkey
22:40.14Huhnall of them had ;)
22:41.21HuhnJenson: how fast is your connection?
22:41.30Jenson56k dialup
22:41.49Jensonconnects at 45k
22:42.37Huhnurghs
22:42.41Huhnthat would be no fun
22:44.35Huhnis it expensive in uk?
22:44.58dankolbI'm paying £25/month, with a static IP
22:45.27Huhnthat's cool
22:45.30dankolbAnd I had a £50 setup charge
22:45.34dankolbPlus modem extra
22:45.36Huhnnot too much
22:46.05Huhnin Cologne you get a very cheap DSL connection when you have a press ID :)
22:46.13dankolbLucky you :)
22:46.47new2unixi'm looking at zen.  but i need to save up for a router/modem.switch/wireless adapter thingie (£200)
22:46.49Huhn:)
22:47.08dankolbYeah. I paid £150 for my (wireless) router, and another £100 for the Airport card for the laptop
22:47.35Jensonme thinks ADSL sounds far too confusing for her
22:47.37Huhnoh, my modem was free
22:47.39Jensonoops
22:47.42Jensonforgot the /
22:48.35dankolbBut can you wait about 4 weeks between ordering it and finally getting it?
22:49.00new2unixdan: i didnt think it was that long a waiting list
22:49.17dankolbIt took BT 4 weeks to enable mine
22:49.57Jensonthat was over christmas thiough wasnt it?
22:49.58dankolbIf you get it with BT, they might enable it quicker
22:50.04dankolbSo?
22:50.10dankolbIt should take around 2 weeks
22:50.33Jensonit took whsmith 6 weeks instead of 2 to process a clubcard application in december
22:51.00new2unixive seen the modem i want but cant afford it at the mo. was initially thinking of sharing the bandwith with my neigbours far and wide and probably asking for a donation to help cover the initial costs. still thinking about it though.
22:51.13dankolb:)
22:52.59dankolbCould need a large network of base stations, though
22:53.12new2unixthats another reason why i havent ditched my present isp. ive got all my linux/bsd boxes ready to go. all i need now is money for the router and i'm set to go.  (another node on the consume map :) )
22:53.22dankolb:-)
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22:54.02Jensonhi skugg
22:54.08dankolbHey skugg
22:54.11Huhnhi skugg
22:54.17new2unixji skugg
22:54.27skugghi jenson, dankolb, Huhn & new2unix :)
22:54.44skugghow are you doing?
22:54.52skuggwho's going for the installfest?
22:55.01JensonI'm tired, might go to bed soon, but alright
22:55.02JensonI am
22:55.03skuggi'm not sure I'm going yet
22:55.04new2unixskugg must be a perl monger with his one line greetings.  :)
22:55.07dankolb(probably)
22:55.24Jensondankolb: Thought you wanted to 'keep an ete on me'
22:55.37dankolbYeah, unless something comes up
22:55.42Huhnskugg: I'm going, I booked a flight some days ago
22:55.49dankolbAhh yes.
22:55.50skuggnew2unix, heh. an aspiring one then. --> brautaset.org/diary.html -- see most recent entry
22:55.55dankolbThat reminds me why I have to go.
22:56.01JensonIts alright I'll be ok by myself anyway
22:56.08dankolbI owe Huhn a few beers for the Muppet Shows she'll be giving me :)
22:56.09dankolb*hint*
22:56.10JensonSomeone'll keep an eye on me I'm sure
22:56.13dankolbYeah. Bee.
22:56.19skuggHuhn, woah, you're coming over here for it? that's impressive
22:56.30new2unixi'll be there. i can arrange sleeping arangements at my brothers/zimms if anyone is interested.  
22:56.45Jensonnew2unix: I would be, but certain people would kill me
22:56.49Huhnskugg: I miss you all that much ;))
22:57.08skuggHuhn, heh, i'm sure you do ;)
22:57.34Jensonlol skugg
22:57.40Huhnskugg: but this time I made sure I booked a single room ;)))
22:57.53dankolbYeah. I can see you're easily missed
22:57.58skugg(usually when arranging who to invite)
22:58.24skuggHuhn, a nifty idea
22:58.35Huhnskugg: yes, and so healthy for other ppl ;)
22:58.36skuggwhatever made you think of that? :D
22:59.42dankolb:)
23:00.12HuhnI could tell from your red eyes
23:01.09skuggho hum
23:01.13Huhnjummy, I'm listening to Gary Moore
23:01.23JensonI'm listening to Def Leppard
23:01.38Jensonand chewing a screwdriver
23:01.41Jensoncoz I'm hungry
23:01.50HuhnJenson: nice
23:01.56dankolbSmoking is bad, mm'kay
23:01.57dankolb:)
23:02.02Jensonlol dankolb
23:02.02HuhnI know
23:02.07skuggjenson, may i suggest a slice of bread instead?
23:02.09skugg:)
23:02.21Jensonskugg: I can see a big pack of biscuits from here
23:02.32HuhnJenson: go get them, they're evil!
23:02.44skuggJenson, so don't break your teeth on the screwdriver -- that's what perl is for ;)
23:02.58dankolbHeh.
23:03.05dankolbUse bash scripting
23:03.26Huhnskugg: no way ;))
23:03.43Huhnthanks
23:03.51skuggthanks
23:03.55dankolbcheers
23:04.07skuggdankolb, i was reading that in the bath earlier on today...
23:04.13Huhnoh dear..
23:04.16dankolbBut did you break your teeth on it?
23:04.16Jensonlol
23:04.29dankolbHuhn: There's no need to imaging Stig in the bath
23:04.31HuhnI know someone who read the sendmail book as good night story..
23:04.32dankolb*imagine
23:04.36Huhndankolb: ;))
23:04.51JensonNah dankolb, we all know who she's imagining.....
23:04.52murbHuhn: well if they wanted to sleep maybe.
23:04.58skuggdankolb, nah. but much of the line noise in /usr/bin/* is starting to make sence :P
23:05.03dankolb:-)
23:05.05skuggs,ce,se,
23:05.06Huhnmurb: it was Jens ;)
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23:05.48dankolbwb
23:05.52Jensonwb
23:06.03new2unixhehe.  ty all
23:06.31Jensonyw
23:07.05skuggeh, the othelly game i started yesterday beats Iagno _hands down_ already ;)
23:07.18Jensonwell done skugg
23:07.41skuggit's pet name is `moth' (`{my,mini} othello') for the time being by the way...
23:08.02Jensonsweet
23:11.17skuggyeah, I like it :)
23:12.45dankolbIs it part of your Uni course, then?
23:13.32dankolbOr just a pet project?
23:15.08murbskugg: does it use curses
23:15.31murbHuhn: talking cutlery and reading sendmail books, hmm.
23:15.57Huhnmurb: :))
23:16.10Jensonahhh NETSPLIT
23:16.16dankolbSplitters.
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23:16.36dankolb:-)
23:16.39Jensonlol murb
23:17.12new2unixok. can someone please explain
23:17.22Huhnnew2unix: what?
23:17.41Jensonnew2unix: It was a netsplit
23:18.19murbnew2unix: just freenode being crap that is all.
23:18.24new2unixyes. they keep telling me that. i guess its time i kicked started the webbrowser and rane google for help. :)
23:18.57murb<PROTECTED>
23:19.24dankolbHe doesn't send many wallops any more
23:19.28Jensonmurb: I've never done that....
23:19.59murbdankolb: he sends enough
23:20.12skuggmurb, how do you know if you ignore him? :)
23:20.24skuggdankolb, i noticed that too
23:21.03new2unixit tells me:  *** You can't do that, you're no deity
23:21.15new2unixwhen i "'/set mode -w'"
23:21.20HuhnJenson: easy, don't use the phone :P
23:21.23dankolbSimple. Don't phone so much.
23:21.35Jensonlol yeah
23:21.42dankolbIf you can.
23:21.55dankolbDidn't you put £20 on, on Sunday?
23:22.04Jensonnope £10
23:22.13dankolbOkay.
23:23.55Jenson:)
23:23.59Huhnskugg needs a gf.. ;)
23:24.11JensonHuhn: Nah, dating = trouble
23:24.36dankolbOnly if you try and date > 1 person at a time
23:24.45new2unixyeah. learn an obscure programming language instead.  :)
23:24.46JensonWhich I dont
23:24.57dankolbHm.
23:25.02murbgold fish are expensive to maintaine
23:25.04Huhnor talk to frogs..
23:25.10skuggHuhn, i have free texts -- unlimited (well, not technically true, but in practice it is -- i've got 300 free texts a month)
23:25.20Huhnskugg: that's a lot
23:25.26skuggHuhn, i know
23:25.29murbonly 10 a day ish
23:25.30dankolbAnd make sure it's obscure enough that you have to regularly phone the programming language author for help :)
23:25.40Jensonlol
23:25.41new2unixi have a teddy bear i often reveal personal details to.
23:26.00dankolb:)
23:26.02Huhnnew2unix: practical, teddy never complains
23:26.07skuggbut some guys in my class laughed at me -- they sent over 1000 texts a month... I don't know when they slept or ate, no.
23:26.12new2unixIt doesnt speak English, so i'm alright at the mo.  lol
23:26.17Jensonnew2unix: Just phone someone and tell them
23:28.17JensonNight people
23:28.23Huhnnn, Jenson
23:28.26dankolbnight babe
23:28.32new2unixnight night
23:28.43Jensonnn Huhn
23:28.45Jensonnight babe
23:28.50Jensonnight new2unix
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23:41.49new2unixibot boring
23:41.50new2unix: i don't know
23:42.01dankolbwhat's boring?
23:42.11new2unixibot is
23:42.12new2unix: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
23:42.20dankolbibot is boring
23:42.21dankolb: wish i knew
23:42.32dankolbibot ibot is boring
23:42.32dankolb: cannot alter locked factoids
23:42.32dankolb: i haven't a clue
23:42.52Leedsibot ibot
23:42.52[ibot] a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.
23:45.35Leedsso, anyone go into congestion charge land today?
23:45.59new2unixyeah. i work within one
23:46.10Leedsand you drive?
23:46.42new2unixCromwell road. got into work by bus as usual. was a breeze. was like flying baove the clouds. :)
23:47.02new2unixs/baove/above
23:48.18Leedsdid it look like there was less traffic?
23:49.15new2unixthere were only white van drivers (work me), buses, black cabs and cyclist.  Oh and the odd ferrari/porche
23:49.35new2unixs/work me/work men
23:50.06new2unixi heard those that travelled by tube/train had a night mare of a journey.
23:55.36new2unixnight all
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23:58.22dankolbThe 205?
23:58.33resuDaed_evening all
23:58.33murbyep, it is unsuprii=ngly enough a bus
23:58.44dankolbYes. But to where
23:58.44dankolbHi Tom
23:59.13Leedsthe bus to nowhere?

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