| 00:03.27 | Leeds | have a look at firebox.com and paramountzone.com and tell me they're not the same company - they don't seem to, they have different about pages and they're hosted by different people at different addresses |
| 00:05.31 | murb | are they very simular? they both seem to have lists of stuff for sale. |
| 00:06.16 | Leeds | the sites look very similar and they have similar stuff for sale - same categories and so on |
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| 00:11.17 | murb | maybe they bgouth the same content system? |
| 00:11.35 | resuDaed_ | oops, killed my system while reading emails :-) |
| 00:11.46 | dankolb | Silly :) |
| 00:12.00 | Huhn | wrong mail client? :) |
| 00:12.06 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 00:12.10 | dankolb | Use kmail :) |
| 00:12.18 | resuDaed_ | I am using kmail :-) |
| 00:12.32 | dankolb | Good :) |
| 00:12.32 | Leeds | murb: could be... and the same suppliers... and the same writers :-) |
| 00:13.27 | resuDaed_ | I am not sure whether having over 4000k emails scattered around various inboxes and some seriously dodgy ram could have anything to do with it |
| 00:13.35 | dankolb | Yes. |
| 00:13.42 | resuDaed_ | :) |
| 00:14.00 | murb | 4million? |
| 00:14.08 | resuDaed_ | I meant 4k |
| 00:14.15 | resuDaed_ | :p |
| 00:14.29 | dankolb | Meh. 4k isn't that much |
| 00:14.37 | resuDaed_ | at least it proves people do read my posts, even just to criticise |
| 00:14.59 | Huhn | Mutt: =linux [Msgs:2951 8.7M] |
| 00:15.02 | resuDaed_ | yeah, but dankolb, I think your ram was probablly a little more trustworthy |
| 00:15.03 | Huhn | questions? |
| 00:15.43 | Leeds | dankolb: don't take your PC in the shower! |
| 00:16.04 | resuDaed_ | it'd be one simple way to crash it though |
| 00:16.05 | dankolb | No, no. I won't :) |
| 00:16.20 | resuDaed_ | (and probably do yourself some serious damage at the same time) |
| 00:16.21 | dankolb | Err....Mozilla does a good enough job of making it run like treacle |
| 00:17.10 | resuDaed_ | I have no troublesa running mozilla on here, 3 second startup and no real system slowdown (slow enough as it is anyway) |
| 00:17.48 | dankolb | Anyway, I'm off to shower |
| 00:17.50 | dankolb | Back in 20 |
| 00:18.02 | resuDaed_ | gllug inbox: 5772 emails |
| 00:18.31 | resuDaed_ | logs ibox about 5 a day (system is fscked) |
| 00:18.48 | resuDaed_ | debian-uk about 2 a month |
| 00:19.14 | resuDaed_ | Huhn : I have 10Gb on my /var partition, no real issue as yet |
| 00:19.24 | Huhn | ah, ok ;) |
| 00:19.39 | resuDaed_ | still 5.4Gb free on there, it's my /home I worry about |
| 00:19.49 | resuDaed_ | 25Gb/24.7 used |
| 00:19.56 | Huhn | oh dear.. |
| 00:20.08 | Huhn | buy another harddrive? |
| 00:20.12 | resuDaed_ | and root is 5Gb, 4.3 used |
| 00:20.28 | resuDaed_ | half of my computer runs over nfs |
| 00:20.44 | Huhn | hardware is not that expensive anymore.. |
| 00:20.53 | resuDaed_ | only the root and 10Gb of home are local |
| 00:21.28 | resuDaed_ | var and home/mp3 are nfs mounts |
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| 00:21.42 | Leeds | heya paul |
| 00:21.44 | resuDaed_ | I should really go to be, I have another early start tomorrow |
| 00:21.52 | resuDaed_ | hi paul, night paul :-) |
| 00:21.54 | resuDaed_ | night all |
| 00:21.54 | cupis | hi Leeds |
| 00:21.57 | Huhn | nn, resuDaed_ |
| 00:22.00 | cupis | night resuDaed_ |
| 00:22.02 | Huhn | hi cupis |
| 00:22.04 | cupis | :) |
| 00:22.07 | cupis | hi Huhn |
| 00:22.08 | Leeds | night resuDaed |
| 00:22.12 | cupis | hi all :) |
| 00:23.03 | Leeds | cupis: you did see http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/ right? |
| 00:23.21 | cupis | Leeds: not yet |
| 00:24.48 | murb | it doesn't appear to be working from this angle. |
| 00:25.47 | cupis | hmm, most of saturdays came out well :) |
| 00:26.04 | Leeds | murb: what do you mean? you can't see the photos? |
| 00:26.35 | Leeds | http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Saturday/img_0055.html |
| 00:26.38 | Leeds | Huhn: ? |
| 00:26.53 | Huhn | Leeds: there are some really really bad pics of me |
| 00:26.54 | cupis | I like #53 |
| 00:27.30 | Leeds | I had real trouble with the light in the big room :-( |
| 00:27.59 | Leeds | Huhn: I'm open to bribes (or possibly polite requests) for removal :-) |
| 00:28.09 | Huhn | Leeds: nah, not necessary ;) |
| 00:29.48 | Leeds | right, time to brave my fridge |
| 00:30.33 | Huhn | huh? |
| 00:31.30 | Leeds | been away for the weekend - was going to go shopping this evening, was wondering if I had enough to make it through breakfast without having to go out |
| 00:32.53 | Huhn | is there anything in the fridge now? |
| 00:33.57 | Leeds | yeah, loads... most of it past the eat-by date :-( |
| 00:34.02 | Leeds | I've got milk and marg though... |
| 00:34.15 | Huhn | what is marg? |
| 00:34.47 | Leeds | argerine |
| 00:34.53 | Leeds | where did my m go??? |
| 00:35.52 | Huhn | milk and margerine is not enough.. |
| 00:37.41 | Leeds | well, I've got cereal and Ribena as well, but they're not in the fridge... |
| 00:39.08 | Leeds | so what's with the mice (rats?) dealing cats in the Levi's ad, anyway |
| 00:40.24 | murb | strange, i can't connect. |
| 00:40.45 | Leeds | murb: can't connect to photos.geeksgetrevenge.com? |
| 00:41.00 | murb | no. |
| 00:41.17 | murb | well, not from this ntl dialup |
| 00:41.38 | murb | Leeds: you're ont running ipv6 are you? |
| 00:41.48 | murb | no, bother. |
| 00:42.48 | Leeds | not a chance |
| 00:43.36 | | | bill@darwin:~/exp$ telnet photos.geeksgetrevenge.com 80 |
| 00:43.36 | | | Trying 195.82.99.3... |
| 00:43.36 | | | Connected to butter.j-colo.net. |
| 00:43.36 | | | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 00:43.36 | | | GET / HTTP/1.1 |
| 00:43.37 | | | Host: photos.geeksgetrevenge.com |
| 00:43.39 | | | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 00:44.19 | murb | I think it is probably an NTL brokenness thing. |
| 00:44.56 | Leeds | can you get to www.j-colo.net? |
| 00:46.27 | murb | yep |
| 00:46.52 | murb | hmm isn't Yoz Grahame that sad guy who doesn't know his neigbours? |
| 00:47.06 | Leeds | strange - that's the same apache on the same machine |
| 00:47.15 | Leeds | Yeah, that's Yoz - one of my best mates... |
| 00:47.20 | Leeds | I'll tell him you said that |
| 00:47.20 | murb | Leeds: hehe |
| 00:47.26 | murb | I'm only joking |
| 00:47.36 | murb | Wondering if it was the same person. |
| 00:47.37 | Leeds | for what it's worth, he does know a bunch of his neighbours... just not that one |
| 00:47.51 | Leeds | there's only one Yoz Grahame :-) |
| 00:48.01 | murb | so when is the wedding? |
| 00:48.41 | Leeds | what, Suzanne? apparently she's got her flat on the market :-) |
| 00:49.05 | murb | Leeds: so he had the oppoisite effect. |
| 00:49.06 | murb | ! |
| 00:50.51 | Leeds | well, not quite... |
| 00:51.20 | murb | well he got atleast a free cup of coffee out of it. |
| 00:51.28 | Leeds | he announced the spots on our mailing list under the title "The Yoz Media Takeover" :-) |
| 00:52.03 | murb | hehe |
| 00:52.22 | murb | does he work for the bbc or somthing? |
| 00:52.53 | Leeds | his sister summarised the spots on the mailing list :-) |
| 00:53.08 | Leeds | he used to work for the beeb - knows a lot of people there... I know a couple of people there |
| 00:53.59 | Leeds | " |
| 00:53.59 | Leeds | The Yoz Media Takeover is now, like a heavy runaway train in the control |
| 00:53.59 | Leeds | of several hundred wild monkeys who continually feed each other into the |
| 00:53.59 | Leeds | engine, mostly unstoppable. If you thought you were sick of Davina |
| 00:53.59 | Leeds | McCall, you ain't seen nothin' yet. To paraphrase David Steel: Go back |
| 00:54.00 | Leeds | to your constituencies and prepare for a whole new kind of sick. |
| 00:54.02 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.20 | murb | I still can't see the photos btw. |
| 00:55.33 | murb | Can you see any connections from the ntl broky? |
| 00:55.39 | murb | s/broky/proxy/ |
| 00:55.42 | murb | s/the/a/ |
| 00:55.48 | Leeds | nope... |
| 00:55.54 | Leeds | but someone was connecting from ntl.com before |
| 00:57.30 | Leeds | murb: well, you've scared yoz :-) |
| 00:58.07 | murb | Leeds: what did he say? |
| 00:58.11 | Leeds | if you do the same telnet to port 80 as above, but ask for www.j-colo.net, what happens? |
| 00:58.29 | Leeds | <yoz> OH GOD |
| 00:59.18 | murb | echo -en "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: www.j-colo.net\r\n\r\n" | nc -v 195.82.99.3 80 # works fine |
| 01:00.34 | Leeds | very strange |
| 01:00.39 | murb | echo -en "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: photos.geeksgetrevenge.com\r\n\r\n" | nc -v 195.82.99.3 80 # times out after 20 seconds |
| 01:00.42 | Leeds | you're forced through a proxy? |
| 01:00.46 | murb | yep. |
| 01:01.10 | murb | I could try sending it via a different ntl proxy, wait a sec. |
| 01:02.53 | Leeds | still not seeing you |
| 01:03.22 | Leeds | I guess you are cache4-nrth.server.ntli.net in the j-colo.net logs |
| 01:04.04 | murb | ok it seems that cache4-nrth.server.ntli.net has a problem. |
| 01:04.38 | murb | a problem with photos.geeksgetrevenge.com ! |
| 01:05.04 | Leeds | very strange... seems to work for most people |
| 01:05.51 | murb | ntl are protecting me from that filthy content maybe :) |
| 01:06.37 | murb | the ipv6 q, is that if you do it, means not being interfecpted by ntls proxies. |
| 01:07.41 | Leeds | ah... no, we don't do it |
| 01:08.24 | Leeds | my immediate reaction would be that it would be cool, but if there's any chance of it affecting system stability, there's no chance we'd do it |
| 01:10.20 | Leeds | is "inktomi3-oxf.server.ntl.com" you? |
| 01:10.23 | murb | s/post/previous/ |
| 01:10.33 | murb | Leeds: that was me using a wrong proxy server to make it work. |
| 01:11.00 | Leeds | apart from the slammer outage, and a many-square-mile power outage, we've had no trouble... |
| 01:11.29 | Leeds | oh, and the period when Yoz's large MP3 collection was freely downloadable from us, found by google, and maxed out our pipe :-( |
| 01:11.33 | murb | Leeds: you should have read the horror stories posted to uknot in the past... |
| 01:11.49 | murb | Leeds: do you pay for usage? |
| 01:12.16 | Leeds | uknot? |
| 01:12.36 | Leeds | do you mean do we pay for bandwidth? no, we pay for a pipe |
| 01:12.51 | murb | a leased line to somwhere? |
| 01:13.56 | Leeds | nope, colo |
| 01:17.02 | murb | resuDaed: what sort of problems are you seeing? |
| 01:17.08 | Leeds | sounds like you may be into hardware testing... |
| 01:17.23 | resuDaed | random crashes during times of heavy memory usage |
| 01:18.12 | resuDaed | but I have replaced the ram and am still getting them, processor temp is fine, harddisk is starting to mis-behave, but by small amounts |
| 01:18.33 | resuDaed | and I feel more than likley due to the misbehaving ram anyway |
| 01:19.35 | resuDaed | Leeds : apparantly there is software out there that can identify ram bus faults |
| 01:20.24 | dankolb | 'night all |
| 01:20.26 | resuDaed | memtest86 tells me that I have some serious ram fsckups, but no more |
| 01:20.46 | murb | resuDaed: it presuably gives you some bad addresses? |
| 01:21.23 | murb | there was a patch i think to kmalloc those addresses to prevent anything else from using them. |
| 01:21.29 | murb | s/patch/kernel &/ |
| 01:22.54 | resuDaed | a kernel/module/patch ? |
| 01:23.19 | murb | patch |
| 01:23.29 | murb | didn't i just say that? |
| 01:24.05 | resuDaed | wasn't quite sure on the interpretation, (I am very tired, but unable to sleep) |
| 01:24.58 | Leeds | it's only meant as an emergency thing though - if your bus is bad, you need to replace your motherboard. |
| 01:26.11 | resuDaed | Leeds : this is what I need to find out |
| 01:27.30 | resuDaed | murb : you know where I can find the patch, or at least more info on it? |
| 01:29.13 | Leeds | google, mate |
| 01:29.15 | Leeds | http://sourceforge.net/projects/badmem |
| 01:30.53 | Leeds | anyway, time for me to sleep |
| 01:31.09 | resuDaed | thanks leeds, I had a quick go at google, but wasn't entirly sure what I was searching for |
| 01:31.18 | resuDaed | Leeds : you coming to installfest? |
| 01:31.29 | Leeds | very probably |
| 01:31.50 | resuDaed | should see you there then (you are on of the few gllugers I havn't met yet |
| 01:31.50 | Leeds | you? |
| 01:31.55 | resuDaed | I hope so |
| 01:32.14 | Leeds | I have been at the past couple of meetings... |
| 01:32.18 | resuDaed | with the intent on filling holes in my knowledge at the lower levels |
| 01:32.34 | resuDaed | Leeds : hence my not having met you, I have attended the last 2 |
| 01:32.40 | resuDaed | :) |
| 01:33.27 | Leeds | what? |
| 01:33.49 | stephen | nn all |
| 01:36.52 | Leeds | g'night |
| 01:37.19 | resuDaed | why my eyes closed? has Leeds attended either of the last 2 meets? |
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| 08:41.29 | zachary | good morning |
| 09:05.44 | dank_work | Morning |
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| 09:12.36 | dank_work | Hi Leeds |
| 09:12.43 | Leeds | mornin' |
| 09:13.09 | Leeds | that's between you and your creator |
| 09:13.44 | dank_work | Ah. I blame the window-putting-in people |
| 09:14.53 | Leeds | microsoft? always a good bet... |
| 09:15.07 | dank_work | Nah - we got a new window in the office |
| 09:15.24 | dank_work | The old one got broken in to, and was replaced with a block of wood |
| 09:15.57 | Leeds | I'd be quite shocked if someone managed that with us... we're on the third floor |
| 09:16.17 | Leeds | must have been cold |
| 09:16.19 | dank_work | We're on the ground *and* first floors |
| 09:16.35 | dank_work | Nah - the wood has better insulation properties than the glass |
| 09:17.11 | Leeds | ah - we've got thick double-glazing |
| 09:17.24 | dank_work | This is fairly, too. |
| 09:17.35 | dank_work | But obviously not thick enough not to break |
| 09:17.57 | Leeds | obviously |
| 09:23.11 | dank_work | Oh. They're replacing another window |
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| 09:27.11 | dpash | min |
| 09:34.40 | dank_work | 'lo |
| 09:36.25 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 09:48.08 | Leeds | ibot lart colds |
| 10:03.56 | SpudUAway | Scripting tutorial time. I want to rename a directory of files prefixing them with consecutive numbers. So that I can go off and look at the man pages to try and figure out how to do this what tools am I likely to need to do the job? |
| 10:04.10 | dank_work | mv |
| 10:04.25 | dank_work | echo |
| 10:04.26 | dank_work | sed |
| 10:04.29 | dank_work | for |
| 10:04.40 | dank_work | (help for, rather than man for) |
| 10:04.56 | Leeds | nothing but bash |
| 10:05.23 | dank_work | And you'll need mv |
| 10:05.45 | Leeds | well, alright... nothing which you're going to need to look up but bash |
| 10:06.23 | dank_work | Are you sitting comfortably? |
| 10:06.33 | dank_work | Then we'll begin. |
| 10:06.39 | dank_work | 'man bash'. See you in a few hours. |
| 10:06.39 | dank_work | :) |
| 10:08.43 | Leeds | I've just done it in less than one 80-character line... without perl-style missing whitespace |
| 10:09.11 | dank_work | Well done. |
| 10:09.12 | dank_work | :) |
| 10:12.40 | dpash | SpudUAway: are the files in order? |
| 10:13.41 | dpash | i=0; for file in *; do i=$(($i+1)); mv $file $i_$file; done |
| 10:14.10 | Leeds | yup |
| 10:14.17 | Leeds | that's how I did it :-) |
| 10:15.35 | dpash | Leeds: that does assume that * will order the files in the order that SpudUAway wanted them |
| 10:15.51 | SpudUAway | The files are not in order, I just need to make the first 32 chrs of the file name unique. |
| 10:16.12 | Leeds | prefix them with the first 32 chars of their md5sum? |
| 10:16.24 | Leeds | very likely to be unique... |
| 10:16.52 | dpash | Leeds: using numbers is easier |
| 10:16.55 | dpash | as the above script shows |
| 10:17.01 | SpudUAway | But longer than required. These are music files that I want to burn to a CD. |
| 10:17.38 | SpudUAway | I was just going to take them in the order they came, but, what alternatives are there? |
| 10:17.41 | Leeds | ah, okay... so you don't need the first 32 to be unique in that sense... |
| 10:22.10 | SpudUAway | Why the double brackets? - ; do i=$(($i+1)); |
| 10:24.35 | Leeds | means arithmetic expansion |
| 10:25.40 | dank_work | Doesn't $[$i + 1] work too? |
| 10:26.58 | Leeds | for i in * ; do sum=$(md5sum $i) ; mv $i ${sum:0:32}_$i ; done |
| 10:27.02 | Leeds | not much harder than the numbers... |
| 10:27.49 | dpash | dank_work: yes |
| 10:27.54 | dpash | however: |
| 10:27.54 | dpash | david david% /bin/sh |
| 10:27.54 | dpash | $ echo $[1+1] |
| 10:27.54 | dpash | $[1+1] |
| 10:27.54 | dpash | $ echo $((1+1)) |
| 10:27.55 | dpash | 2 |
| 10:28.06 | dank_work | Eww! csh user! |
| 10:28.11 | Leeds | dank_work: I don't know $[] - it's not in my bash man page |
| 10:28.29 | dank_work | bash-2.05b# echo $[ 2 + 3 ] |
| 10:28.29 | dank_work | 5 |
| 10:28.40 | SpudUAway | So - i=0; $($i+1); echo $i would give '01' ? |
| 10:28.46 | dpash | dank_work: yes, but it isn't POSIX |
| 10:28.54 | dank_work | Yeah, well, it's GNU |
| 10:28.58 | dank_work | GNU breaks thigs |
| 10:29.00 | dank_work | *things |
| 10:29.15 | dpash | my /bin/sh is not bash |
| 10:29.34 | dpash | SpudUAway: $() is command subistution |
| 10:29.56 | dank_work | Ah. You're using a broken distro, then? |
| 10:30.44 | dpash | dank_work: no |
| 10:30.50 | Leeds | /bin/sh must be a bourne shell - it doesn't have to be bash |
| 10:31.02 | Leeds | or rather bourne-compatible shell |
| 10:31.11 | dank_work | It tends to be bash on Linsux systems |
| 10:31.26 | Leeds | how many people here spend all their time on Linux systems? |
| 10:31.56 | dank_work | Not me. |
| 10:32.08 | Leeds | not me :-) |
| 10:34.39 | dpash | if you ignore the windows usage |
| 10:34.41 | SpudUAway | Err, I do, but then I'm special - so the doctors said. |
| 10:34.52 | Leeds | oh, I use bash everywhere... just that much of it isn't on Linux... |
| 10:35.17 | dpash | it is people who put #!/bin/sh and then use bashisms |
| 10:35.21 | dpash | grrr to them |
| 10:35.32 | dank_work | Yeah. Very grr to them. |
| 10:35.37 | Leeds | dpash: those people are bad and wrong and deserve a big lart |
| 10:35.47 | Leeds | they cause us trouble at work... mainly configure scripts |
| 10:36.07 | dank_work | So send them some Solaris9 CDs, marked RedHat Linux. |
| 10:36.12 | dpash | configure should use bash |
| 10:36.19 | dank_work | Why should it? |
| 10:36.28 | dpash | hmm no it doesn;t |
| 10:36.31 | dpash | I thought it did |
| 10:36.32 | Leeds | I've got a couple of Linux PCs, a Linux iPAQ (it's similar, but different), and a load of Solaris boxes :-) |
| 10:36.37 | eye69 | Nah, I should be off to work... |
| 10:36.44 | Leeds | it should use bin/bash, since it's using bashisms |
| 10:36.58 | Leeds | if it's not clean bourne shell, it shouldn't be trying to run under /bin/sh |
| 10:37.06 | dank_work | But it could be /usr/local/bin/bash |
| 10:37.15 | dank_work | (it is on my BSD machines) |
| 10:37.23 | dank_work | And I'm not sure about the Sol9 machine |
| 10:37.45 | dpash | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 580776 2002-11-04 09:02 /bin/bash* |
| 10:37.45 | dpash | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 77864 2003-01-11 05:05 /bin/dash* |
| 10:37.50 | Leeds | it's /bin/bash on sol9 - believe me :-) |
| 10:37.57 | dank_work | I will :) |
| 10:38.15 | dank_work | Err. |
| 10:38.20 | dank_work | # which bash |
| 10:38.20 | dank_work | /usr/bin/bash |
| 10:38.38 | Leeds | ls -l /bin/bash |
| 10:38.46 | highbury | i=`expr $i + 1` |
| 10:38.56 | Leeds | $ ls -l /bin/bash |
| 10:38.56 | Leeds | -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 578964 Mar 2 2002 /bin/bash |
| 10:38.58 | dank_work | # ls -l /bin/bash |
| 10:38.58 | dank_work | -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 578964 Mar 2 2002 /bin/bash |
| 10:38.58 | dank_work | # ls -l /usr/bin/bash |
| 10:38.58 | dank_work | -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 578964 Mar 2 2002 /usr/bin/bash |
| 10:39.12 | highbury | is pure Bourne shell, and POSIX compliant |
| 10:39.24 | Leeds | yeah, but $() is nicer and neater |
| 10:39.31 | highbury | what's wrong with back-ticks? |
| 10:39.39 | Leeds | don't nest? |
| 10:39.55 | dpash | yep |
| 10:40.01 | dpash | $() is POSIX too |
| 10:40.37 | highbury | but not for sh only ksh |
| 10:40.51 | dpash | highbury: works in ash |
| 10:40.56 | dpash | which is BSD sh |
| 10:42.04 | highbury | since a lot of my scripts have had to work on pure Bourne Shell systems, I never bothered some of the newer wrinkles |
| 10:43.42 | Leeds | apart from the fact that our builds run under csh... I never use it |
| 10:45.01 | dpash | c shell is broken |
| 10:45.01 | dpash | try to redirect stdout and stderr to different places |
| 10:45.01 | dank_work | Never used c shell enough to do that |
| 10:45.01 | dank_work | Always tried to switch to a Bourne shell ASAP |
| 10:45.20 | dank_work | Yeah, but Slowlaris is broken ;-) |
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| 10:46.36 | dank_work | SPLITTERS! |
| 10:50.13 | zachary | great memory deals at tigerdirect.com. Wish my mobo wasn't maxed out. |
| 10:50.27 | dank_work | Oooh... |
| 10:50.35 | dank_work | How much? And how much delivery? |
| 10:50.41 | dank_work | And are they reliable? |
| 10:51.34 | zachary | I don't know abou the uk. But I get most of my stuff through them. |
| 10:51.42 | zachary | s / about / abou |
| 10:51.49 | dank_work | Are they US-based, then? |
| 10:51.54 | dpash | I would recommend www.microdirect.co.uk |
| 10:51.58 | zachary | yes |
| 10:52.01 | dank_work | Ah |
| 10:52.30 | SpudUAway | dpash: You suggestion isn't working for me straight off. These files have lots of awkward characters in them like spaces and even the occasional '/'. Running the script gives me an "mv: invalid option -- 0" error but I can't see what's wrong. |
| 10:52.45 | dank_work | Ewww |
| 10:53.11 | dank_work | do you want to burn the files onto audioCD, then? |
| 10:53.35 | SpudUAway | No, I am making a data CD of the mp3s. |
| 10:53.36 | dpash | i=0; for file in *; do i=$(($i+1)); mv "$file" "$i_$file"; done |
| 10:53.42 | dpash | see if that works |
| 10:53.48 | dank_work | Okay... |
| 10:54.10 | dank_work | dpash: It won't |
| 10:54.22 | dank_work | Because of the way the shell will expand * |
| 10:55.24 | SpudUAway | Is it expanding the full path? |
| 10:55.26 | dpash | IFS="\0\t\n" ;i=0; for file in $(find . -print0) ; do i=$(($i+1)); mv "$file" "$i_$file"; done |
| 10:55.42 | dpash | hmm that fond work either |
| 10:56.05 | dpash | where did that fond come file |
| 10:56.07 | dank_work | SpudUAway: No, but the 'for foo in bar' treats spaces as the separator |
| 10:56.10 | dpash | won't |
| 10:56.21 | dank_work | So if you have filenames with spaces, it screws up |
| 10:57.13 | highbury | SpudUAway: its impossible for a file to have a / in its name! |
| 10:57.27 | dank_work | Even if you escape it properly? |
| 10:57.45 | SpudUAway | 'Cat\/dog' ? |
| 10:57.50 | dpash | david david% touch foo\/bar |
| 10:57.50 | dpash | touch: creating `foo/bar': No such file or directory |
| 10:57.51 | dank_work | Mebbe |
| 10:58.09 | highbury | no / is a reserved character! |
| 10:58.22 | Leeds | it's about the only one... |
| 10:58.26 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 10:58.33 | highbury | its the only vharacter which can't appear in a filename |
| 10:58.47 | highbury | you can even call a file ^C |
| 11:00.06 | dpash | david david% touch ^C |
| 11:00.09 | dpash | david david% ls -l |
| 11:00.09 | dpash | total 188771 |
| 11:00.09 | dpash | -rw------- 1 david david 0 2003-02-18 10:59 ? |
| 11:00.50 | Leeds | yeah - you can't display it, but you can type it, maybe |
| 11:01.05 | highbury | ls -d * | while read file; do i=$(($i+1)); mv "$file" "$i_$file"; done |
| 11:01.08 | dpash | ^v^c |
| 11:01.22 | highbury | dpash: you have a default flag being given to ls |
| 11:01.37 | SpudUAway | OK, I take back the need to ope with '/', I can't find any. |
| 11:01.48 | highbury | you output looks like "ls -lq" |
| 11:01.50 | Leeds | going to work... |
| 11:01.59 | dank_work | C'ya later, Leeds |
| 11:02.19 | dpash | ls() { /bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS "$@"; } |
| 11:02.21 | dpash | LS_OPTIONS="-Fq --colour=auto" |
| 11:02.50 | dpash | hmmm ignore the colour |
| 11:03.05 | dpash | irssi auto corrects it |
| 11:03.38 | highbury | LS_OPTIONS="-N --color=tty -T 0" |
| 11:06.15 | highbury | each distro gives one different defaults :-/ |
| 11:07.15 | dank_work | Most tend to give --colour |
| 11:07.30 | dank_work | Or --color, even |
| 11:07.36 | dpash | my options are ones I've developed |
| 11:13.25 | dank_work | They are yours, and yours alone? |
| 11:13.25 | dank_work | :) |
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| 11:14.43 | dank_work | Hi Davilion |
| 11:19.23 | Davilion | hiya |
| 11:20.07 | dank_work | How's it going? |
| 11:20.55 | Davilion | not so bad, off to abingdon later |
| 11:23.35 | Davilion | hows things going your way? |
| 11:23.36 | dank_work | Ooh fun. |
| 11:23.39 | dank_work | They're okay. |
| 11:25.05 | dank_work | I'm surviving, anyway |
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| 11:26.43 | Davilion | yeah, a nice easy trip down the m40 today |
| 11:27.07 | dank_work | That's cool. So you'll be passing down where I am |
| 11:27.21 | Davilion | yeah its somewhere near oxford iirc |
| 11:27.23 | dank_work | Pretty much overhead, in fact :) |
| 11:27.34 | dank_work | Abingdon is south of Oxford |
| 11:28.02 | dank_work | When are you going? |
| 11:28.22 | dank_work | Actually, where are you currently? |
| 11:29.01 | Davilion | im in warwick now, and heading to abingdon around 12ish |
| 11:29.11 | dank_work | Ah. Not coming from London, then |
| 11:29.47 | Davilion | no, but will be in london probably one day this week |
| 11:31.57 | dank_work | Cool. |
| 11:32.26 | dank_work | If you're coming down the M40, and passing by Wycombe/Beaconsfield, want to meet up for a pint or two? |
| 11:33.15 | Davilion | sounds like a plan |
| 11:33.55 | dank_work | Cool :) |
| 11:35.23 | dank_work | Just let me know when you're around here |
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| 11:35.35 | dank_work | Lunchtime would be okay, or after work |
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| 11:36.20 | Davilion | would be after work i guess. since i dont get lunches very often |
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| 11:47.37 | dank_work | Sure |
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| 11:51.21 | dank_work | wb Leeds |
| 11:53.37 | Leeds | hey |
| 11:54.14 | dank_work | Guten Tag |
| 11:54.22 | Huhn | tach ;) |
| 11:54.36 | dank_work | :) |
| 11:54.46 | dank_work | Maybe I should eat my sandwiches |
| 11:54.55 | Leeds | morning |
| 11:55.14 | Huhn | hi Leeds, hi dank_work |
| 11:56.45 | zachary | bbl, taking my wife out for lunch. |
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| 12:29.59 | Leeds | afternoon, jason_ukfsn |
| 12:30.09 | jason_ukfsn | hey Leeds et al. |
| 12:34.35 | murb | heyho |
| 12:34.45 | murb | jason: how was saturday? |
| 12:35.10 | jason_ukfsn | amazing |
| 12:37.00 | dank_work | hi |
| 12:37.06 | jason_ukfsn | hi dank_work |
| 12:40.28 | murb | jason: replacement? what happened to the original? |
| 12:40.33 | Leeds | downloading buffy? |
| 12:41.30 | jason_ukfsn | arrived from Movieshop but would not play in any dvd player or PC drive. Linux reported lots of media errors. Got onto Movieshop, confirmed that I'd tested it thoroughly and they sent a replacement |
| 12:41.58 | jason_ukfsn | Yes Leeds. Jason is an addict and needs his fix ;) |
| 12:43.21 | Leeds | I got out of the habit after grabbing the first 3 and making sure I liked the style of the series - now I let my TiVo grab it from Sky for me |
| 12:44.37 | jason_ukfsn | I cannot wait for Sky to show the episodes. Sky showed ep 4 on Thursday and I'm downloading Ep 15 now. S7 does is a bit static for the first few eps. |
| 12:45.18 | jason_ukfsn | s/does/is/ |
| 12:45.28 | jason_ukfsn | arg s/does// |
| 12:46.01 | murb | jason: do you currently use OpenSRS? |
| 12:46.53 | jason_ukfsn | yes I'm waiting for the next release of opensrs-sf and then I'll write a few hooks into it and make it available to ukpost and ukfsn users |
| 12:47.15 | murb | I can't get the bloody management thing on their server to email account passwords :( |
| 12:47.17 | jason_ukfsn | in the meantime I am manually registering domains and certs as needed |
| 12:47.38 | jason_ukfsn | Are you getting an error or just not receiving the password emails? |
| 12:47.45 | murb | I'm getting an error |
| 12:48.07 | jason_ukfsn | Over the weekend I had it email me one of my passwords and it took several hours to arrive. |
| 12:48.15 | jason_ukfsn | What is the error? msg me if you want |
| 12:49.52 | jason_ukfsn | murb, do you have jscript turned on in your browser? The form runs a bit of js to ask if you are sure you want to have the mail sent. |
| 12:50.23 | jason_ukfsn | I've just tested it and it works for me without any errors. |
| 12:50.27 | murb | I'm getting "Invalid send_to attribute." |
| 12:50.36 | murb | jason: are maybe that is the problem, I'm using lynx |
| 12:51.17 | murb | I'll soon have working X, so i'll try mozilla |
| 12:51.44 | jason_ukfsn | that will be it. lynx is great - until you hit a site that wants daft crap like js |
| 12:53.35 | murb | thanks. |
| 12:54.34 | Stephen | lol, microsoft have a kind of university roadshow outside, and they're using ......... opera! |
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| 12:54.45 | Clyphox | re |
| 12:54.46 | murb | Stephen: point them at msn |
| 12:54.54 | Stephen | murb: i almost did |
| 12:55.11 | dank_work | Hey Clyphox |
| 12:55.15 | Clyphox | Heya dan |
| 12:55.19 | Stephen | tbh, i'm not sure why I went, I don't think i'd want to work for microsoft |
| 12:55.28 | dank_work | Why not? ;-) |
| 12:55.28 | Stephen | even for a placement year |
| 12:55.48 | dank_work | Apparently they're not that bad to work for |
| 12:56.38 | murb | Stephen: I know someone that did the placement thing in Reading(MS), then dropped out of uni and went and worked elsewhere. |
| 12:57.16 | Stephen | yeah, i'd prefer to finish my degree course |
| 12:57.23 | Clyphox | I just lost 23Gig :( |
| 12:58.12 | dank_work | Another drive gone? |
| 12:58.43 | Clyphox | Think so.. running badblocks on it now.. should know next year when its finished |
| 12:58.58 | dank_work | Never reason with your boss and run badblocks at the same time? |
| 12:59.00 | dank_work | Why not? |
| 12:59.04 | Clyphox | Lost all my recent Divx's and all my Q3 logs/hacks |
| 12:59.36 | jason_ukfsn | dare i mention the b word? |
| 12:59.47 | Clyphox | Cause I did a destructive badblock test on it whilst trying to get the concept of: 50/50 SCSI cards DO NOT work on 68Pin DLT drives!! to my boss.. :( |
| 13:00.22 | Clyphox | I have no money for more backup stuff.. only my server has backups.. speaking of which... |
| 13:00.34 | Clyphox | I'm poor... |
| 13:00.37 | dank_work | jason_ukfsn: Which b-word? |
| 13:00.58 | jason_ukfsn | the one Clyphox just confirmed he lacked for this box :( |
| 13:01.01 | Clyphox | dank_work : I did a typo and ran a destructive test on the hdd |
| 13:01.27 | dank_work | Ahh :) |
| 13:01.32 | Clyphox | Now I'm trying to do an undelete on another hdd that might have a tar of it.. |
| 13:01.37 | Clyphox | taking ages.. |
| 13:01.54 | jason_ukfsn | undelete a 23G tarball? That will take a while |
| 13:02.26 | Clyphox | Its on 1.5 Gig now after 40Min hehe |
| 13:02.36 | dank_work | ibot lart Clyphox |
| 13:02.48 | Clyphox | lart? |
| 13:02.49 | murb | jason: for more buffyness? |
| 13:03.19 | jason_ukfsn | yes (and mp3s). I have only 800M free space. |
| 13:03.50 | jason_ukfsn | RAID 5 will require more controllers and drives. I have a *VERY* limited budget. |
| 13:03.51 | Clyphox | I wanna archive Movies I like :( |
| 13:04.13 | Clyphox | Hdd's are so unreliable.. |
| 13:04.19 | dank_work | Speaking of which, I got a free computer today |
| 13:04.26 | Clyphox | I'm saving to get dvd-r actually .. should do me.. |
| 13:04.31 | dank_work | Pentium 233 |
| 13:04.32 | Clyphox | kewl.. |
| 13:04.37 | dank_work | 64Mb RAM, 2x 6Gb hard drives |
| 13:04.42 | dank_work | CD ROM, and CD-RW |
| 13:04.52 | Clyphox | sounds like my laptop |
| 13:05.02 | jason_ukfsn | I am also thinking of getting a DVD-R as well do that I can watch SVCD quality Buffy on TV ;) |
| 13:05.19 | jason_ukfsn | dank_work - you lucky b*stard |
| 13:05.28 | dank_work | Yeh.. |
| 13:05.44 | dank_work | HP 8100 |
| 13:05.47 | Clyphox | Why not make a freevo box with an itx board? stream your movies of the lan |
| 13:05.50 | dank_work | Know any specs for it off-hand? |
| 13:06.23 | dank_work | It has a USB-2 card in it, too |
| 13:06.32 | Clyphox | Maybe put the mobo into a custom case.. |
| 13:06.34 | dank_work | And I got 4 SCSI hard drives yesterday |
| 13:06.37 | jason_ukfsn | Has anyone tried an itx based system playing to TV? I guess I'd have to get the higher end board |
| 13:06.43 | Clyphox | Wow.. now thats nice! |
| 13:07.20 | Clyphox | jason_ukfsn, most come with TV vo cards.. check mini-itx.com |
| 13:07.29 | dank_work | 3x4.5Gb (I think), 1x 9Gb |
| 13:07.32 | Clyphox | jason_ukfsn, ALl the ones I've seen do.. |
| 13:08.07 | jason_ukfsn | I know that they all have TV-O but are they anygood for decoding MPEG streams - ie watching DVDs etc. |
| 13:08.11 | Clyphox | I have one 8 gig.. old compaq prolina server.. |
| 13:08.25 | jason_ukfsn | The entry level one only has a 500MHz CPU |
| 13:08.42 | Clyphox | You can get a 900Mhz CPU system for 90 quid |
| 13:09.11 | Clyphox | (like tha author of mplayer does) |
| 13:09.21 | Clyphox | (he has a 500 k62) |
| 13:09.23 | Leeds | 500MHz should do SVCD okay |
| 13:09.35 | Clyphox | hell yea.. |
| 13:09.35 | jason_ukfsn | Yes but I like watching DVD as well. |
| 13:09.37 | Leeds | argh! |
| 13:09.42 | Clyphox | dvd is mpeg |
| 13:09.54 | dank_work | MPEG-2 |
| 13:10.01 | Clyphox | [nod] |
| 13:10.17 | Leeds | but much higher bitrate |
| 13:10.46 | jason_ukfsn | I've been meaning to buy myself an ITX box however my limited budget it holding me back (as for the extra disk space etc). |
| 13:10.53 | dank_work | Does the MPEG standard define a set bitrate? |
| 13:10.54 | Clyphox | You can watch DVD's on 233's |
| 13:11.13 | Clyphox | dank_work , never heard of bitrate myself.. |
| 13:11.19 | jason_ukfsn | The xine and mplayer docs indicates that software decoding for DVDs really wants a very fast CPU - even a PIII 800 may not be enough. |
| 13:12.01 | jason_ukfsn | My 900MHz Athlon handles the job well enough but a 500MHz Eden C3 might not which is why I ask. |
| 13:12.28 | Clyphox | Using vlc you can put the DVD in a server else where and stream it to a vlc client anyhwere on the lan |
| 13:12.28 | Leeds | MPEG can run at all sorts of bitrates... DVD is 1 megabit, I believe |
| 13:12.59 | Clyphox | I would spend the little extra so I can play N64 emulation on my TV hehe |
| 13:13.29 | jason_ukfsn | Clyphox I don't have enough time to enjoy games :( |
| 13:14.04 | Clyphox | Like wise but zsnes is still on my laptop just incase I get stuck in an elevator hehe |
| 13:14.35 | Clyphox | You know what I mean.. spending that little extra gives you (generally) alot extra life.. |
| 13:14.36 | jason_ukfsn | My laptop has a crap battery which does not retain charge. |
| 13:14.45 | dank_work | My DivXen seems to be 900kbit |
| 13:14.47 | dank_work | *seem |
| 13:14.48 | Clyphox | I just got a new battery |
| 13:15.28 | dank_work | "In Soviet Russia, DVD rips you" |
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| 13:20.44 | SpudUAway | I'm getting lots of dropped packets from my ISP again. Would me running 'stuff' 'in the background' on my system be a likely cause of this problem? |
| 13:20.54 | dank_work | Or your ISP? |
| 13:21.11 | Clyphox | Maybe your nic is broken? |
| 13:21.21 | SpudUAway | Well, 'they' have asked the question of me. |
| 13:21.58 | dank_work | What are you running in the background? |
| 13:22.21 | jason_ukfsn | SpudUAway if your system is badly stressed and the nic driver/firmware is crap it is possible. If the problem only occurs when your box is stressed that is a strong contender for the reason. |
| 13:22.23 | SpudUAway | XChat, couple of downloads. |
| 13:23.30 | SpudUAway | Ah, so it is a possibility. No, it happens when the machine is 'less than stressed' but if BY can find any excuse to blame someone e;lse they latch onto it! |
| 13:23.39 | jason_ukfsn | that doesn't sound like a stressed system to me. |
| 13:24.00 | jason_ukfsn | then stop the background jobs and see if the packet loss continues. If so it's their problem. |
| 13:24.17 | SpudUAway | There description of a stressed machine would be ....'powered up'. |
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| 13:44.57 | Huhn | anyone using Debian testing/unstable? |
| 13:45.09 | murb | Huhn: I have an unstable box in lux. |
| 13:45.20 | Huhn | murb: do you have access to the box? |
| 13:45.28 | murb | yes |
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| 14:11.28 | resuDaed_ssh | afternoon all |
| 14:11.48 | Huhn | hi resuDaed_ssh |
| 14:12.02 | Clyphox | Hey |
| 14:12.11 | resuDaed_ssh | Clyphox : you use aterm right? |
| 14:12.21 | eye69 | Any exim freaks awake? |
| 14:13.08 | eye69 | What options should I look at if I want to send like 60000 msgs, not caring if it nearly kills the machine? I'm having problems configuring exim to do chug-chug processing. |
| 14:13.42 | eye69 | I'm feeding it with a Perl program, using the regular 'sendmail' command. |
| 14:13.56 | resuDaed_ssh | eye69 : if I had any idea, I'd try to help :) |
| 14:14.00 | Clyphox | resudaed, yea |
| 14:14.55 | resuDaed_ssh | Clyphox : you got a file set up defining your default options, or are you running them from command line (ie transparencies/colours etc) |
| 14:19.33 | Clyphox | on mo |
| 14:19.58 | Clyphox | I do (generally) : aterm -transparent -tint blue -sh 65 -fg white -ls -bg black |
| 14:20.28 | Clyphox | all the usuall xterm flags.. -e -hl -title -display work.. |
| 14:20.50 | Clyphox | And it (by default takes less ram than Xterm too! hehe |
| 14:20.57 | dpash | eye69: ping |
| 14:21.12 | dpash | eye69: go to #exim |
| 14:21.26 | Clyphox_work | sucky |
| 14:21.42 | dpash | Clyphox_work: ? |
| 14:21.45 | dank_work | Heh |
| 14:21.47 | Clyphox_work | postfix</penny's worth> |
| 14:21.56 | Clyphox_work | dpash, alas.. |
| 14:22.00 | dpash | Clyphox_work: I like exim |
| 14:22.05 | dpash | I know how it works |
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| 14:22.39 | dpash | I configure lots of exim servers |
| 14:22.40 | dpash | I don't particularly fancy learning postfix atm |
| 14:22.54 | dpash | although it is on my todo list |
| 14:22.57 | dpash | eye69: ping |
| 14:23.33 | dpash | dammit he asks for help and then buggers off |
| 14:23.46 | eye69 | pong...sorry :) |
| 14:24.21 | eye69 | I think the first thing I'll do is upgrade to exim 4 |
| 14:24.36 | formi | hello |
| 14:25.02 | resuDaed_ssh | brb, restart of x |
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| 14:26.04 | resuDaed_ssh | much better |
| 14:26.17 | formi | is there any real expert on dns here? |
| 14:26.55 | resuDaed_ssh | is there a font that can be used on aterm that has a definable outline? |
| 14:27.06 | dpash | formi: sort of |
| 14:27.55 | jason_ukfsn | I'm fairly useful with it formi |
| 14:27.56 | formi | i have this nagging proble, service like pop3, po3s, imap and imaps take a long time to kick |
| 14:28.19 | formi | it takes about 10s for the mail to start flowing |
| 14:28.21 | dpash | reverse lookups |
| 14:28.30 | dpash | bet ya |
| 14:28.49 | jason_ukfsn | are you sure it's not auth lookups (check hits on port 113)? |
| 14:29.00 | formi | http, postfix, ftp and the rest have no delay whatsoever |
| 14:29.02 | dpash | which imap are you using? courier? |
| 14:29.37 | formi | it happens with any mail service, so i don't think it is imap |
| 14:29.41 | formi | the problem |
| 14:29.53 | dpash | but courier has pop too |
| 14:30.12 | formi | this is a default rh 7.3 install |
| 14:30.16 | dpash | are you using pop3 and imap servers |
| 14:30.22 | dpash | or just clients |
| 14:30.36 | formi | that is an odd question |
| 14:30.40 | formi | both |
| 14:30.44 | jason_ukfsn | default rh7.3 is still using wu daemons for imap and pop3. |
| 14:31.08 | dpash | I would claim that as your problem, but I won't |
| 14:31.12 | jason_ukfsn | both will try to connect to authd on the client side. |
| 14:31.28 | formi | how can I disable that? |
| 14:31.32 | jason_ukfsn | if they don't immediately get a reject or an answer they'll wait a coupleofseconds. |
| 14:31.51 | jason_ukfsn | I cannot remember - I make a point of not using wu packages. |
| 14:31.52 | formi | we are talking about 10 secs |
| 14:32.36 | jason_ukfsn | have you tested reverse dns lookups from the server on the client IPs? It could be slow resolver issues - perhaps the server cannot talk to it's first resolver for this. |
| 14:33.20 | dpash | formi: run an authd/identd on your clients |
| 14:33.29 | formi | nope |
| 14:33.32 | formi | service pop3 |
| 14:33.32 | formi | { |
| 14:33.32 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.32 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.32 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.33 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.35 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.37 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.39 | formi | } |
| 14:33.44 | formi | that is from xinetd.d |
| 14:34.34 | formi | im using pop3 at the moment, will switch to pop3s when the delay is fixed |
| 14:36.21 | jason_ukfsn | In your position I would first ensure that the server isn't seeing resolver difficulties. dig is your friend assuming you have shell on the box. |
| 14:36.32 | formi | In /etc/xinet.d/ipop3, /etc/xinet.d/telnet, and /etc/xinet.d/wu-ftpd, |
| 14:36.32 | formi | take out the "USERID" option from log_on_success and log_on_failure. |
| 14:36.32 | formi | Then run "service xinetd reload" and see whether those delays are gone. |
| 14:36.33 | jason_ukfsn | Then I'd look into the possible auth issues |
| 14:36.41 | formi | I have found that |
| 14:36.45 | formi | testing |
| 14:38.48 | formi | yes, that works |
| 14:39.53 | formi | thanks guys |
| 14:52.01 | resuDaed | for some reason, when starting blackbox, my image (set by running bsetbg in .xinitrc) flahses up for a second, then disappears, any suggestions? |
| 14:52.59 | formi | check the style file and find what is using, probably xv and see if you got it on the system |
| 14:53.40 | formi | why are you using bsetbg in .xinitrc |
| 14:53.43 | formi | ? |
| 14:53.46 | formi | ah |
| 14:54.00 | resuDaed | because that is the only way I know how to do it |
| 14:54.07 | formi | are you sure the style is not overriding bsetbg |
| 14:54.28 | resuDaed | possibly, how do I disable the style, or set it to load prior to running bsetbg? |
| 14:54.30 | formi | find the style file, and look at the few last lines |
| 14:54.52 | formi | bsetbg is usually fired by the style |
| 14:56.00 | formi | /usr/X11R6/share/blackbox/styles |
| 15:00.53 | formi | did you find it? |
| 15:02.18 | resuDaed | there doesn't appear to be a bsetbg in the style I am using |
| 15:02.52 | resuDaed | ah, bsetroot |
| 15:03.18 | resuDaed | is ok, commented out the bsetroot line, is done |
| 15:03.22 | resuDaed | thanks formi |
| 15:03.51 | resuDaed | now time to re-write my menus :-) |
| 15:04.08 | formi | hey |
| 15:04.13 | resuDaed | (I get a day off work, and spend hours configuring blackbox :-) |
| 15:04.23 | formi | you can swap bsetroot for bsetbg |
| 15:04.31 | resuDaed | the default debian menus suck |
| 15:04.54 | formi | i use run, :-> |
| 15:05.08 | resuDaed | I have just compiled blackbox on the slack box in the front room, the standard setup is soo much nicer |
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| 15:05.57 | formi | fluxbox is much nicer |
| 15:06.17 | formi | and if you ask skugg, he'll say openbox |
| 15:06.57 | resuDaed | and if I ask Clyphox_work, he'll say blackbox ... I've just settled now |
| 15:07.47 | resuDaed | thats why I am spending so long setting up bbkeys and the like |
| 15:07.55 | formi | black is the original, flux is a more advanced split, openbox is the cutting edge |
| 15:08.23 | formi | dpash: my sincere condolences |
| 15:10.46 | Clyphox_work | back |
| 15:10.53 | Clyphox_work | hmm.. blackbox |
| 15:11.06 | Clyphox_work | resudaed, want my bbkeysrc? |
| 15:11.26 | Clyphox_work | just to hack.. makes it easier than their so called documentation.. hehe |
| 15:11.51 | formi | Clyphox_work: can I have as well? |
| 15:11.58 | Clyphox_work | sure.. |
| 15:16.10 | resuDaed | Clyphox_work : please |
| 15:16.38 | resuDaed | in the menu file, what is a line (equiv to <hr>)? |
| 15:17.22 | resuDaed | does blackbox documentation exist? |
| 15:17.38 | Clyphox_work | formi, you have mail |
| 15:17.42 | formi | ta |
| 15:18.08 | resuDaed | Clyphox_work : could I have a copy of your menu also? |
| 15:19.35 | resuDaed | Clyphox_work : btw, slack is working nicley on the front room, and my little sis is in the process of learning |
| 15:19.57 | Clyphox_work | always good to know :-) |
| 15:20.09 | resuDaed | gaim/mozilla/mplayer - all she needs |
| 15:20.14 | resuDaed | (so easily amused) |
| 15:21.00 | Clyphox_work | dcc |
| 15:21.09 | Clyphox_work | know how to work dcc on Bitchx? |
| 15:21.28 | resuDaed | yeah, but send it to resuDaed_ssh |
| 15:21.59 | Clyphox_work | sending.. |
| 15:23.01 | Clyphox_work | [yawn] |
| 15:23.10 | Clyphox_work | hows work going resudaed? |
| 15:23.18 | resuDaed | nothing here (dcc wise) |
| 15:23.48 | Clyphox_work | firewall? |
| 15:24.12 | resuDaed | shouldn't be, IP masq only |
| 15:24.40 | Clyphox_work | yeah.. the dcc is sent.. |
| 15:24.41 | resuDaed | try resuDaed then, but I've never understod why it never worked on this box |
| 15:25.03 | Clyphox_work | sending |
| 15:25.15 | Clyphox_work | Why don't I just scp it up? |
| 15:25.17 | resuDaed | nothing on either, and this box has direct connection |
| 15:25.22 | Clyphox_work | wait.. |
| 15:25.24 | Clyphox_work | one mo. |
| 15:25.45 | resuDaed | ok, scp to beth@stolen.servehttp.com |
| 15:26.37 | Clyphox_work | its ok.. |
| 15:26.48 | resuDaed | you are behind a fiewall though |
| 15:26.54 | Clyphox_work | try http://194.106.34.53/files/bb.tar.bz2 |
| 15:27.16 | Clyphox_work | so? anyone can go out.. |
| 15:27.51 | Clyphox_work | I lost my home directory btw.. all those urbanterror hacks/log and configs.. |
| 15:28.03 | Clyphox_work | very sad.. |
| 15:28.07 | resuDaed | all, what happened? |
| 15:28.17 | resuDaed | lol |
| 15:28.52 | Clyphox_work | Dunno.. just went snafu.. managed to recover it. make it all ext3 didn't have time to do a block check on the drive though.. amd doing that now. |
| 15:29.02 | dank_work | Should you blame reiser? |
| 15:29.09 | dank_work | Maybe it was a hardware fault |
| 15:29.50 | Clyphox_work | I don't believe reiserfs went no. It was just almost impossible to rebuild the entire fs. |
| 15:30.15 | Clyphox_work | I'll know if it was a hardware fault soon enough I hope.. am running badblocks on it now.. |
| 15:30.22 | Clyphox_work | resudaed any luck yet? |
| 15:30.39 | resuDaed | am just waiting for links to finish compiling :-) |
| 15:31.14 | resuDaed | I know I can use wget ... I will, but I cannot be arsed to log in to another shell :-> |
| 15:31.32 | resuDaed | so I shall wait for the compilation to complete |
| 15:32.07 | Clyphox_work | fairs fair.. hows work sais Alex.. |
| 15:33.59 | resuDaed | not so bad, I've been offered a 6 month contract in a stock control position, it skills goes as far as end-user oracle/M$ stuff, but it should bring in some money till something more brain strecthing appears |
| 15:34.07 | resuDaed | s/it/IT |
| 15:34.35 | Clyphox_work | With moneys you can buy stuff!! |
| 15:34.51 | resuDaed | mini-itx boards and laptops (and a new phone) |
| 15:35.09 | resuDaed | 17" tft screen for my room |
| 15:37.00 | Clyphox_work | And a mp3 player/usb stick :-) |
| 15:37.24 | resuDaed | and that |
| 15:37.32 | Clyphox_work | And maybe LART |
| 15:37.45 | resuDaed | with your conf files, at what point do you run bsetbg? |
| 15:39.30 | resuDaed | lart maybe, but I cannot think of a practical use for my current situation |
| 15:40.48 | Clyphox_work | I just use: xsetroot -solid $colour |
| 15:41.05 | Clyphox_work | and then put gqview in my .xinitrc and choose a bg for today.. |
| 15:41.58 | Clyphox_work | and if I want to set a pic manually I use xv (old hat but I've always used it ) |
| 15:42.15 | Clyphox_work | summing like : xv -root -max -quit nameofpic.jpg |
| 15:42.31 | resuDaed | I have just extracted all your files over mine, meaning I'll have to start allover again :-) |
| 15:42.37 | resuDaed | doh! |
| 15:43.16 | Clyphox_work | if your running blackbox you need to exit.. then move the .blackboxrc over again. (it saves it over the current on at exit) |
| 15:44.25 | Clyphox_work | get a little program called bbrun its nice.. |
| 15:44.28 | Clyphox_work | don |
| 15:44.39 | Clyphox_work | er... don't forget to run bbkeys with -w |
| 15:44.49 | Clyphox_work | and bbpager :-) |
| 15:45.28 | resuDaed | is ok, I have it back, I have a copy of most of it when I dumped it in the wrong place |
| 15:45.40 | resuDaed | then copied instead of moving files |
| 16:10.14 | Clyphox_work | Gah |
| 16:10.21 | dank_work | what? |
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| 16:11.01 | Clyphox_work | I want to try and make a scrip that basicly compares a driectory (and files) and then outputs the new/modified files.. |
| 16:11.06 | dank_work | wb |
| 16:11.07 | resuDaed | I meant /part |
| 16:11.11 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 16:11.15 | resuDaed | ty dank_work |
| 16:11.26 | resuDaed | been a long day |
| 16:11.28 | dank_work | Compares a directory and files to what? |
| 16:11.49 | Clyphox_work | just samba shares so there won't be funny ones.. just I'm not good at comparing things in a script.. |
| 16:12.00 | dank_work | cmp or diff AYF |
| 16:12.13 | Clyphox_work | just samba shares.. I guesse mostly .doc .xls sh1t |
| 16:12.28 | Clyphox_work | I've not used em.. time to man I suppose. |
| 16:12.46 | Leeds | Clyphox_work: is cmp too good a comparison for you? |
| 16:12.50 | Clyphox_work | or just hack it to check the time stamps and just grep for today.. |
| 16:13.15 | Clyphox_work | Most tools are too good for me.. even tail ;-) |
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| 16:22.20 | zachary | good afternoon/pre-evening. |
| 16:22.25 | Tarragon | Hi zachary |
| 16:22.36 | Clyphox_work | Hia |
| 16:22.43 | Clyphox_work | hmm.. |
| 16:22.57 | Clyphox_work | How would you guys split and then rejoin a file? dd? |
| 16:23.14 | Huhn | Clyphox_work: split |
| 16:23.33 | Clyphox_work | heh. go figure.. |
| 16:24.22 | zachary | Waite a minute. Even though I'm looking at the man page. It can't be that easy. |
| 16:24.55 | Huhn | but split is easy... |
| 16:26.37 | Leeds | and cat |
| 16:26.52 | Huhn | is there a useless use of split award? |
| 16:27.06 | Clyphox_work | I keep seeing these refrences to info.. tex stuff I suppose.. |
| 16:27.08 | formi-brb | cut'n'paste ;-> |
| 16:28.28 | Leeds | info sux |
| 16:29.22 | Clyphox_work | finger nick@216.228.187.166 |
| 16:29.33 | dank_work | man pages! |
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| 16:30.03 | Leeds | make love! |
| 16:31.15 | dpash | Leeds: Thanks, but no thanks |
| 16:31.19 | dpash | ,2 |
| 16:31.42 | Leeds | not offering, ordering... |
| 16:32.11 | dpash | oh if you insist. |
| 16:32.47 | Leeds | the correct (and topical) response would have been "not war!" |
| 16:33.38 | Clyphox_work | assuming it was a question.. |
| 16:33.42 | murb | does anyone wants some 10mb fibre tranceivers? |
| 16:33.53 | Clyphox_work | me |
| 16:33.56 | Clyphox_work | me me me.. |
| 16:34.12 | Clyphox_work | I don't need.. I only want.. tut tut |
| 16:34.42 | murb | Clyphonx: so do you want or wants? |
| 16:35.18 | Clyphox_work | whats is it to you? ;) |
| 16:35.31 | Clyphox_work | er.. I mean.. whats is the difference? |
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| 16:35.54 | Clyphox_work | wb |
| 16:37.24 | Clyphox_work | wb |
| 16:37.33 | formi | debug1: try privkey: /root/.ssh/identity |
| 16:37.33 | formi | debug1: try pubkey: /root/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 16:37.33 | formi | debug1: input_userauth_pk_ok: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 149 lastkey 0x806a300 hint 1 |
| 16:37.33 | formi | debug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed |
| 16:37.34 | formi | debug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown> |
| 16:37.36 | formi | Enter passphrase for key '/root/.ssh/id_rsa': |
| 16:38.16 | formi | I'm puzzeld by that: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed |
| 16:38.40 | dpash | PEM tends to be X.500 stuff but I could be wrong |
| 16:38.57 | dpash | ssh? |
| 16:39.06 | dpash | or is X.509 |
| 16:39.09 | dpash | I forget |
| 16:39.10 | formi | that is from ssh -v |
| 16:39.40 | Clyphox_work | murb, whats the story about he fiber optics then? |
| 16:41.03 | Clyphox_work | damn bzip2 -9 IS slow on a 233.. |
| 16:41.07 | dank_work | :) |
| 16:41.41 | Clyphox_work | dank_work, I've just spent over 30minutes on that Openstep image ;) |
| 16:42.17 | dank_work | Why are you bzipping it? |
| 16:42.57 | Clyphox_work | Just because I don't have much space on my server.. |
| 16:43.02 | dank_work | ah |
| 16:43.08 | dank_work | Just keep it as an ace file, then |
| 16:43.20 | Clyphox_work | Too late.. plus I like tar -p |
| 16:43.34 | Clyphox_work | The permissions were 000 on alot of there files |
| 16:45.42 | Clyphox_work | Its finished! yay 291meg now |
| 16:45.51 | dank_work | Ah. YEah. |
| 16:46.11 | dank_work | The ace file was 285MB |
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| 16:46.26 | dank_work | wb |
| 16:46.39 | resuDaed | ty |
| 16:47.06 | resuDaed | dank_work : what was the new name for #gllugbar (#bar-immature)? |
| 16:47.13 | dank_work | #morcanna |
| 16:47.19 | resuDaed | ta |
| 16:47.29 | resuDaed | I can never remember it |
| 16:47.33 | dank_work | But try not to be too immature :) |
| 16:47.36 | resuDaed | definition? |
| 16:47.51 | dank_work | It's a name Jenson made up a few years ago |
| 16:48.43 | formi | it still quite current of her :-? |
| 16:49.07 | resuDaed | lol formi, you don't approve? |
| 16:49.20 | murb | what was wrong with #gllugbar? |
| 16:49.52 | formi | I believe #bar-immature and her creator have a lot in common |
| 16:49.59 | resuDaed | highbury didn't approve of the use of 'gllug' |
| 16:50.17 | resuDaed | #bar-immature was my suggeestion - something easily remembered |
| 16:50.23 | murb | resuDaed: does it need offical sancation from the cabal? |
| 16:50.32 | Leeds | murb: yes, it does |
| 16:50.50 | Tarragon | ;-) |
| 16:50.55 | formi | well I don't see any point in using gllug* for that |
| 16:51.47 | formi | but a #gllugers-anonymous after the linux expo news would fit |
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| 16:52.04 | resuDaed_ | quit |
| 16:52.09 | formi | murb: you are guilty as charged for that one |
| 16:52.54 | murb | formi: well I'm sure zdnet can read online irc logs as well as anyone else. |
| 16:53.12 | murb | maybe we should just burn all journos? |
| 16:53.22 | Tarragon | Yes! |
| 16:53.27 | SpudUAway | I'll bring the petrol. |
| 16:53.47 | murb | I'll supply some matches, if i get paid. |
| 16:53.48 | Tarragon | I have got some matches |
| 16:53.58 | dank_work | You only ever think about money, murb |
| 16:54.04 | formi | we should pack them to iraq |
| 16:54.10 | murb | dank: yes, when i'm at work unpaid |
| 16:54.14 | murb | or not at work being unpaid. |
| 16:54.37 | murb | I'm going to have a few months off when work make me redudant at the end of the week i think. |
| 16:54.47 | dank_work | Will they make you redundant? |
| 16:54.54 | Tarragon | :-( |
| 16:55.54 | murb | dank: yes. Or they want me to work in Luxembourg. |
| 16:56.37 | dank_work | :-( |
| 17:05.13 | resuDaed | brb |
| 17:06.21 | formi | at least |
| 17:06.31 | formi | s/least/last |
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| 17:09.17 | resuDaed | for some reason, when I specify the display to run x, it upsets the fonts that my styles are using, any suggestions? |
| 17:09.30 | resuDaed | styles = bbox styles |
| 17:10.56 | resuDaed | example, running 'startx &' shos correct fonts, running 'startx -- :1 &' doesn't |
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| 17:30.00 | eye69 | What kind of wireless card was "the best"? |
| 17:33.08 | eye69 | Nevermind. |
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| 17:34.00 | Clyphox_work | resuDaed, maybe the ttf font server or somthing is only useing the first display..? |
| 17:34.19 | resuDaed | can't be, even happens when specifying display 0 |
| 17:38.52 | dank_work | Urghl |
| 17:38.56 | dank_work | CIJS: Rat's Nest |
| 17:38.58 | resuDaed | nearlly got this blackbox doing what I want |
| 17:39.34 | resuDaed | bbkeysrc is an ugly file to work with though (IMHO) |
| 17:41.38 | Clyphox_work | I found it ok |
| 17:41.53 | Clyphox_work | I used the gui.. click the keyhole |
| 17:44.01 | Clyphox_work | I like OS'es :) |
| 17:44.11 | formi | nice, cute little asm coded os |
| 17:44.18 | formi | fits in a flppy |
| 17:45.18 | Clyphox_work | Impressive |
| 17:45.38 | formi | it has an irc client |
| 17:45.44 | Clyphox_work | I bet its "a little" fast |
| 17:45.58 | formi | but the tcp/ip stack is not complete |
| 17:46.18 | formi | try it and see for yourself, |
| 17:46.48 | formi | only pci 8029 nic |
| 17:47.07 | HuhnSHARKS | -> ice hockey, bye |
| 17:47.16 | resuDaed | bye |
| 17:49.19 | resuDaed | Clyphox_work : I have 1 suggestion on your bbkeys ... alt+shift+tab for prevWindow |
| 17:50.48 | Clyphox_work | will try it.. |
| 17:51.06 | resuDaed | tab + mod6, 19 |
| 17:51.53 | resuDaed | I know its technically a windows thing, but it still works quite nicley |
| 17:52.24 | Clyphox_work | never used it myself |
| 17:52.49 | Clyphox_work | menuetos comes in a bloody .exe |
| 17:53.08 | resuDaed | the beuaty is while alt+tabbing, hold shift and you go backwards :-) |
| 17:53.14 | Clyphox_work | eye69 , may I get a copy of the image pls? |
| 17:53.32 | Clyphox_work | I hit Alt+Tab and use the arrow keys.. |
| 17:53.40 | Clyphox_work | (if I was using doze that is) |
| 17:53.46 | Clyphox_work | (not like I do) |
| 17:53.51 | Clyphox_work | (not like I ever would) |
| 17:53.51 | resuDaed | lol |
| 17:53.58 | Clyphox_work | (er.. ) |
| 17:54.02 | Clyphox_work | (...uhhmm..) |
| 17:54.11 | formi | http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/02/14/07curve_1.html?s=tc |
| 17:54.16 | shuts | er |
| 17:54.31 | formi | odd i have found that some lines are not displayed in mozilla |
| 17:54.42 | formi | while links works fine |
| 17:55.06 | Leeds | formi: talking about the content of that article? I liked it :-) |
| 17:55.22 | Leeds | and it works fine for me in mozilla |
| 17:55.51 | Clyphox|afk | I can see it (phoenix 0.5) |
| 17:55.59 | formi | The company that always worked so hard to educate ? read, ?pressure and lock in? ? its customers is now willing to listen. To Sun?s credit, it understands that in this context ? trying to reach the top tier of IT buyers in a down economy ? listening is a costly and interactive exercise. Most customers can?t sketch out exactly what they want from Sun. A customer will know the right solution only when he or she sees it, so the massive spending is S |
| 17:55.59 | formi | un?s way of restocking its showroom. |
| 17:56.16 | Clyphox|afk | eye69, have you seen http://phatboydesigns.net/0sys/ |
| 17:56.24 | formi | it is missing some words |
| 17:57.27 | Leeds | are you sure? |
| 17:58.15 | formi | Leeds: I can read |
| 17:58.57 | formi | i'll do a screenshot |
| 17:58.57 | Leeds | I don't see anything missing from there |
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| 17:59.49 | gj_ | hello |
| 18:00.06 | Leeds | hi |
| 18:00.08 | gj_ | anyone with knowledge about "how to write modules" |
| 18:00.45 | Leeds | kernel modules? |
| 18:00.50 | gj_ | i am writing module, for 2.4 |
| 18:00.54 | gj_ | and i got some problems |
| 18:00.59 | gj_ | compiiling it |
| 18:01.09 | gj_ | macros __put_user and __get_user(); |
| 18:01.27 | Leeds | this probably isn't the bast place to ask... |
| 18:01.36 | gj_ | shit |
| 18:01.39 | gj_ | anyway |
| 18:01.45 | gj_ | se ya on install fest ;) |
| 18:01.53 | Leeds | http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ might be a better place to try |
| 18:02.06 | gj_ | i am not a newbie programmer ;) |
| 18:02.15 | gj_ | but i will look on this channel |
| 18:02.16 | Leeds | and? |
| 18:02.26 | gj_ | but hey, anyone has problems |
| 18:02.41 | Leeds | you're going to find kernel programmers who hopefully don't mind answering what they might consider basic questions :-) |
| 18:02.59 | gj_ | i know |
| 18:03.11 | gj_ | i am sometimes on that chanell #kernelnewbies |
| 18:03.12 | gj_ | ;) |
| 18:03.17 | Leeds | oh, okay... |
| 18:03.21 | Leeds | didn't know that :-) |
| 18:03.31 | dank_work | Bye ppl |
| 18:03.36 | gj_ | i was just wondering if i will find any programmers in here too |
| 18:04.28 | eye69 | Bugger. 'vacation' is fscking up my Content-Type. I want to send an autoreply with an attachment, but my multipart gets trashed. Any ideas? |
| 18:04.42 | Leeds | there are programmers... like me... but I've not done kernel stuff, and most people here aren't coders |
| 18:07.40 | formi | Leeds: http://www.its-formi.net/photos/oddmoz.jpg |
| 18:08.42 | Leeds | oh, okay... |
| 18:08.52 | Leeds | but the bit you pasted had all the text in it! |
| 18:10.05 | Clyphox|afk | wierd |
| 18:10.15 | murb | Leeds: your photos look great at 8bit colour depth! |
| 18:10.29 | Leeds | which makes it sound like a font or rendering problem - all the text is there, but not readable... |
| 18:10.41 | Leeds | murb: really? good :-) |
| 18:11.57 | murb | Leeds: my new work computer until friday has 1mb of video ram... |
| 18:12.08 | Leeds | ah |
| 18:15.20 | Clyphox|afk | Gah!! |
| 18:15.35 | Clyphox|afk | I'm having a bad day.. Ram on my Laptop is faulty!! |
| 18:15.44 | Clyphox | Double GAH! |
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| 18:27.13 | resuDaed | where are x fonts kept? |
| 18:27.21 | resuDaed | (/me has forgotten) |
| 18:27.26 | resuDaed | and cannot find them |
| 18:27.45 | formi | /usr/lib/kbd .... |
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| 18:27.55 | formi | ups |
| 18:28.10 | formi | those are the console ones |
| 18:28.24 | formi | hey jenny |
| 18:28.29 | resuDaed | hey Jenson |
| 18:28.45 | resuDaed | I havn't touched my mouse in over an hour, bbkeys are great |
| 18:28.50 | Jenson | hey formi |
| 18:28.52 | Jenson | hey resuDaed |
| 18:29.18 | Jenson | If I dont touch my mouse for a couple of mintures, when I do move it it makes the windows jump everywhere and closes programs and stuff |
| 18:29.38 | Jenson | s/minitures/minutes |
| 18:29.51 | formi | stop arousing it then! |
| 18:30.06 | resuDaed | found them @ /etc/X11/fonts |
| 18:30.07 | Jenson | lol formi |
| 18:30.32 | resuDaed | if I touch my mouse, I cant reach all the buttons on the keyboard |
| 18:30.55 | Jenson | resuDaed: Is Beth back from Greece yet? |
| 18:31.07 | resuDaed | and I have been tweaking blackbox for the last 2 hours now, trying to get everything near perfect |
| 18:31.15 | resuDaed | Jenson : no, she gets back tomorrow evening |
| 18:31.33 | Jenson | Cool, You gonna see her Thursday then I assume. |
| 18:32.02 | resuDaed | I'll see her tomorrow, I am cllecting her from the airport |
| 18:32.30 | Jenson | lol sorry, I like to know what's going on :) |
| 18:33.05 | resuDaed | np, just wondering |
| 18:33.53 | resuDaed | Clyphox : moving windows with bbkeys is far too slow, any methods on speeding it up (ie moving 5px at at time or something) |
| 18:33.57 | resuDaed | ? |
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| 18:59.50 | Clyphox | resuDaed, 0=BigNudgeDown |
| 18:59.56 | Clyphox | resuDaed, 1=BigNudgeLeft |
| 19:00.02 | Clyphox | resuDaed, 2=BigNudgeRight |
| 19:00.09 | Clyphox | resuDaed, 2=BigNudgeUp |
| 19:00.11 | Clyphox | 3 |
| 19:00.13 | Clyphox | er |
| 19:00.16 | Clyphox | resuDaed, 3=BigNudgeUp |
| 19:14.21 | Clyphox | I'm going home.. work sucks.. |
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| 20:00.02 | Jenson | hi cupis |
| 20:00.08 | cupis | hi Jenson |
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| 20:03.28 | Jenson | hey highbury |
| 20:03.36 | highbury | hey there! |
| 20:04.02 | Jenson | highbury: Are you running a cordless mouse under Linux (specifically KDE) |
| 20:04.06 | Jenson | i like XChat |
| 20:04.16 | Jenson | Although I like irssi if I'm forced to use console |
| 20:04.24 | highbury | yep, Logitech Cordless Mouseman Optical |
| 20:04.51 | Jenson | Does your mouse cause random windows to jump about and/or close if you don't use if for a min or 2 and then move it? |
| 20:05.09 | highbury | hmmm, never |
| 20:05.26 | Jenson | Well, must just be me then |
| 20:05.33 | highbury | sounds like X is confused as to which protocol it should be using |
| 20:05.40 | Jenson | Possibly |
| 20:05.49 | Jenson | I was probably confused when I configured it |
| 20:06.12 | Jenson | I'm using a Logitech Cordless Wheel Mouse BTW |
| 20:06.18 | Jenson | About 2 and a half years old |
| 20:06.25 | highbury | it needs to be configured as a wheelmouse, e.g. protocol->"imps/2" |
| 20:06.39 | Jenson | grrr what fun |
| 20:08.38 | highbury | also I installed KDE 3.1 while I was away (from IRC) |
| 20:08.54 | Jenson | Yeah |
| 20:09.03 | Jenson | I noticed you weren't here |
| 20:09.07 | cupis | highbury: how do you like it? |
| 20:09.45 | cupis | that good, eh? :) |
| 20:09.54 | resuDaed | just what I was thinking lol |
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| 20:10.30 | highbury | hmm, maybe kopete isn't as stable as xchat :-/ |
| 20:10.51 | cupis | highbury: how have you found kde3.1? how do you like it? |
| 20:11.03 | cupis | (or not like it, as the case may be) |
| 20:11.26 | highbury | so far so good, only 20 mins into it |
| 20:12.02 | resuDaed | (transparent) |
| 20:12.03 | highbury | I need to recover all the settings I saved from 3.0.5, e.g. mail stuff, but so far, ok |
| 20:12.12 | resuDaed | looks the b*ll*x |
| 20:12.15 | cupis | highbury: recover? |
| 20:12.16 | highbury | just one crash so far, in kopete |
| 20:12.38 | cupis | highbury: what distro, out of interest |
| 20:12.40 | cupis | ? |
| 20:12.51 | highbury | I moved .kde and .kde2 out of the way, to ensure I saw all the latest niceness |
| 20:12.56 | highbury | SuSE 8.1 |
| 20:13.33 | highbury | but it still seems to retain some of my old settings |
| 20:13.48 | cupis | highbury: system-wide settings? |
| 20:13.57 | highbury | firing up from root, it did look pretty |
| 20:14.34 | highbury | some desktop icons seem to have been added, unfortunately a few I used have been removed |
| 20:15.33 | highbury | ksim (a systems monitor, like gkrellm) had a nasty feature, that you could resize it bigger, but not smaller |
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| 20:16.43 | Jenson | re highbury |
| 20:16.57 | highbury | oh well, bugger kopete for using with IRC, second time its crashed in 5 minutes |
| 20:17.13 | Jenson | yeah highbury use Xchat |
| 20:17.22 | highbury | I am now :-) |
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| 20:19.39 | Jenson | hi |
| 20:19.46 | dankolb | hi |
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| 20:38.48 | Jenson | re |
| 20:42.11 | resuDaed | is there a global variable that will tell me what resolution I am running? |
| 20:42.40 | resuDaed | brb |
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| 20:46.45 | resuDaed | thats far more like it |
| 20:46.46 | dankolb | better resolution? |
| 20:46.56 | resuDaed | yes |
| 20:46.57 | dankolb | Your monitor should tell you what res you're running it |
| 20:46.58 | dankolb | *at |
| 20:47.51 | resuDaed | it tells me many other things |
| 20:48.28 | resuDaed | just need to strech my background a little to fit, and I'm done |
| 20:49.47 | resuDaed | all is happy |
| 20:49.56 | dankolb | :-) |
| 20:49.58 | dankolb | That's good |
| 20:50.16 | resuDaed | now when I start up a shell, it takes less than a 1/4 of my screen |
| 20:50.41 | dankolb | Make it bigger |
| 20:50.51 | Jenson | that just sounds irritating |
| 20:51.01 | resuDaed | (tis a good thing, when I maxmise, I have a shit load of stuff on there) |
| 20:59.11 | Jenson | Anyway I'm out of here for a little while |
| 20:59.15 | Jenson | Got things that need doing |
| 20:59.17 | Jenson | See ya later |
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| 21:04.52 | zachary | good evening everyone. |
| 21:05.05 | new2unix | good evening sir |
| 21:05.31 | zachary | evening new2unix |
| 21:06.11 | new2unix | how's the flyer distribution gpoin? |
| 21:06.21 | new2unix | *going |
| 21:07.35 | zachary | from what I heard, last saturday was great. |
| 21:09.50 | eye69 | Evening.... |
| 21:09.57 | new2unix | would it be OK if i left one or two on the bus as i head to work in the mornings? That is allowed right? |
| 21:10.01 | new2unix | hi eye |
| 21:10.35 | eye69 | Hello new2unix |
| 21:10.36 | resuDaed | what exactly is this flyer distribution thing? (I know its inl the list, but please explain) |
| 21:10.40 | eye69 | And zachary |
| 21:10.49 | zachary | hi eye69 |
| 21:11.24 | resuDaed | eye69 : you remember when I fist installed debain on here? I have only just managed to re-tweak X up to my monitors highest resolution :-) |
| 21:11.39 | eye69 | resuDaed: Hehe, took a fair while. :) |
| 21:12.14 | resuDaed | dpkg-reconfigure wasn't up to the task in the end |
| 21:12.39 | resuDaed | although its all running pretty nicley at the moment |
| 21:12.47 | resuDaed | just installing the badmem patch |
| 21:12.55 | eye69 | Oh, stuffed mem? |
| 21:13.04 | resuDaed | seriously stuffed mem |
| 21:13.13 | resuDaed | crashes out on me around once a day |
| 21:13.32 | resuDaed | and I want to compile a new kernel |
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| 21:13.49 | eye69 | Ouch. Buy new mem? It's cheap. |
| 21:13.56 | resuDaed | I think it may be the bus |
| 21:14.13 | resuDaed | and I cannot afford a new m/board @ moment |
| 21:14.15 | dankolb | wb |
| 21:14.19 | resuDaed | wb Jenson |
| 21:14.35 | Jenson | ty |
| 21:15.04 | eye69 | resuDaed: What a bitch. |
| 21:15.39 | eye69 | ["Jenson", "dankolb"] |
| 21:15.53 | dankolb | eye69: Eh? |
| 21:16.06 | eye69 | Don't ask. |
| 21:16.28 | Jenson | what? |
| 21:18.13 | resuDaed | the pattern seems to be at a recurring address, so badmem should fix it |
| 21:24.18 | resuDaed | [C[Dnot a good sign |
| 21:24.35 | dankolb | No. We seem to have run out of things to say to each other |
| 21:26.08 | dankolb | Yeah, why not? |
| 21:26.47 | new2unix | dunno. should i bring it to the installfest? or should i just install it myself and marvel at its wonders all on my own? |
| 21:26.52 | dankolb | Both? |
| 21:28.14 | Jenson | Do it yuorself |
| 21:28.20 | resuDaed | new2unix : try the max edition if you can get your hands on it |
| 21:28.32 | new2unix | It came with PCpro, apparently. a windows sysadmin at work said: "Oi, your a unix person. want this? " |
| 21:28.33 | resuDaed | it is pretty impressive |
| 21:28.53 | Jenson | Grrrr fuck, how the hell is 25p phone credit gonna last me until March 5th |
| 21:28.55 | new2unix | So i said. "ermm. yeah" |
| 21:29.08 | resuDaed | BeOS is unix based is it not? |
| 21:29.18 | dankolb | Jenson: Who cares? |
| 21:29.21 | resuDaed | Jenson : I feel the same way |
| 21:29.28 | Jenson | dankolb: You do |
| 21:29.30 | dankolb | If you can't control your spending, you have to learn the hard way |
| 21:29.34 | resuDaed | (as you, not dan, he has a hjob) |
| 21:29.36 | dankolb | Yeah, but evidently I don't matter |
| 21:29.49 | dankolb | Folks, take this to #morcanna. Now. |
| 21:30.00 | dankolb | BeOS is not Unix-based |
| 21:30.07 | zachary | new2unix: Bring the BeOS to install fest. I'd love to see it. |
| 21:30.13 | resuDaed | no, but it comes with a bash shell |
| 21:30.14 | dankolb | It might have some POSIX-compliance |
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| 21:31.21 | new2unix | Zachary: no worries. Hopefully i'd have installed it by then. i feel i'm getting a tad bit lazy lately |
| 21:35.07 | resuDaed | wb Huhn |
| 21:35.13 | Jenson | wb Huhn |
| 21:36.02 | Huhn | re (thx) |
| 21:45.07 | new2unix_munchie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.55 | new2unix_munchie | I found the explanations and examples extremely helpful. I'm almost converted. |
| 21:46.53 | dankolb | :-) |
| 21:46.54 | dankolb | Good :) |
| 21:48.13 | new2unix_munchie | i never could get my head around the whole X phenomenom. 15mins on the Handbook and its like i want to teach it to new world. |
| 21:48.36 | dankolb | The BSD Handbook does rock |
| 21:49.12 | dankolb | Politics? |
| 21:49.22 | new2unix_munchie | perhaps |
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| 22:09.04 | cupis | just checking that there were other people alive here. You can go back to sleep now :) This has been a test. |
| 22:09.18 | Jenson | :) |
| 22:10.46 | dankolb | Are you half asleep? |
| 22:22.04 | new2unix | "ditto"? |
| 22:22.08 | dankolb | Iomega tape drive |
| 22:23.04 | new2unix | Oh. i might have. i'll have a look. i remember ditching (dumping) a couple a while back. should be at work somewhere. |
| 22:23.09 | resuDaed | tis the one, I have 10(5)GB tapes and a 2GB Drive :-( |
| 22:23.58 | new2unix | i'll let you know 2moro, when i get in. |
| 22:24.25 | resuDaed | thanks, that'd be really useful |
| 22:25.42 | new2unix | no promises, but i'll have a dig around. |
| 22:27.09 | dankolb | And if you have any spare memory.... |
| 22:27.17 | dankolb | he'd want that too |
| 22:27.40 | new2unix | i cant remember if i have any spare memory. :) |
| 22:27.52 | resuDaed | yeah, I keep forgetting things |
| 22:27.59 | resuDaed | my memory is appaling |
| 22:28.04 | Jenson | :) |
| 22:28.10 | resuDaed | I can't even compile a kernel |
| 22:28.52 | new2unix | well, have you tried booting into linux? its pretty hard compiling from windows. :) |
| 22:29.17 | resuDaed | um, OT: what would people suggest IRQ/, I/O addresses etc. for an ISA net card so that it won't conflict with other NICs or other standard h/ware? |
| 22:29.35 | resuDaed | new2unix is currently using win95 |
| 22:29.50 | cupis | and AOL. |
| 22:30.08 | resuDaed | cupis : lol, I noticed that earlier |
| 22:30.32 | resuDaed | new2unix : and your credit cxard nuumber is ... |
| 22:31.29 | cupis | resuDaed: does the ISA card do any kind of pnp? will isapnp help at all? |
| 22:31.46 | cupis | resuDaed: otherwise, google suggests trying io=0x280 irq=3 |
| 22:31.58 | resuDaed | I was just looing at that, apparantly it can run PNP |
| 22:33.25 | resuDaed | (it has 14 jumpers on it) |
| 22:33.31 | resuDaed | should keep it warm anyway |
| 22:34.49 | resuDaed | I have nowehere to put my 2nd screen though |
| 22:34.54 | resuDaed | :( |
| 22:36.03 | dankolb | io=0x300, irq=10 is standard for a first network card |
| 22:37.13 | Jenson | resuDaed: Feel free to set up your computer equipment in my bedroom.....you might have to excuse me and Dan on certain weekends though |
| 22:38.05 | resuDaed | Jenson : lol, I don't think dan'd approve of me sharing my equipment with you in your bedroom |
| 22:38.16 | Jenson | lol resuDaed maybe not :P |
| 22:39.53 | dankolb | There's no space there anyway |
| 22:40.00 | dankolb | And she's not going to bother tidying up :) |
| 22:40.08 | Jenson | lol true |
| 22:40.46 | new2unix | bye all. some munchies and i'm off to bed. |
| 22:40.51 | Jenson | night new2unix |
| 22:41.01 | resuDaed | night new2unix |
| 22:41.03 | new2unix | Night all. |
| 22:41.08 | new2unix | night Jenson |
| 22:41.12 | Huhn | nn new2unix |
| 22:41.20 | resuDaed | ooh, gfx card has 512k ram |
| 22:41.39 | dankolb | You'd be welcome to set your equipment up here, though (and I have ADSL) |
| 22:41.42 | dankolb | But I don't have space |
| 22:42.15 | resuDaed | I have space here once install has finished, I will be using ssh to do most things |
| 22:42.39 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:43.45 | resuDaed | the monitor is merley a means to an end |
| 22:44.31 | dankolb | Ah |
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| 22:44.49 | resuDaed | wb Jenson |
| 22:44.58 | Jenson | ty |
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| 22:48.36 | Jenson | re |
| 22:48.43 | resuDaed | aomehow killed x |
| 22:49.00 | dankolb | Don't do that then |
| 22:49.42 | resuDaed | a simple dd |
| 22:50.33 | dankolb | Ah |
| 22:51.38 | resuDaed | and it somehow has screwed the floppy disk |
| 22:52.07 | resuDaed | GRRRR!!!! |
| 22:52.15 | Huhn | and you couldn't kill that process on the console? |
| 22:52.49 | resuDaed | Huhn : no, X died |
| 22:53.09 | resuDaed | the only thing I could do was to kill X itself from the console |
| 22:53.11 | Huhn | resuDaed: strange |
| 22:53.21 | resuDaed | and that was my last decent floppy disk aswell |
| 22:53.33 | resuDaed | Huhn : put it down to some seriuosly fscked ram |
| 22:54.02 | resuDaed | (why I am trying to move all semi-important processes to another box) |
| 22:54.14 | Jenson | Well they might be dirty coz our druves are dirty but still |
| 22:54.21 | resuDaed | I used to have 10 or so, slowly they all disappeared |
| 22:54.33 | resuDaed | tut tut Jenson |
| 22:54.44 | resuDaed | you been copying windows files again? |
| 22:55.06 | Jenson | lol resuDaed. no, rawriting rootdisks in primary school computers |
| 22:55.21 | Jenson | then realizing I could just boot off the CD if I used the right drive |
| 22:59.12 | resuDaed | me just needs one clean disk to start bsd installationfrom |
| 22:59.39 | dankolb | Open? |
| 22:59.41 | dankolb | Or Net? |
| 22:59.43 | resuDaed | net |
| 22:59.50 | dankolb | Cool |
| 23:00.26 | dankolb | Yes. |
| 23:00.33 | dankolb | Net is extremely clean and portable |
| 23:00.47 | dankolb | Free is tailored to speed and stability on x86 platforms |
| 23:00.54 | dankolb | And Open is geared towards security |
| 23:01.26 | resuDaed | clean & portable means an easier installation? |
| 23:02.11 | resuDaed | I just want it to pick up 2 Ne2k ISA net cards and give me openSSH |
| 23:02.26 | resuDaed | then I can d/c it from the screen |
| 23:02.32 | dankolb | Dunno :) |
| 23:02.38 | dankolb | Easier install? Hah :) |
| 23:03.27 | resuDaed | I still don't get the *bsd partitioning thing though |
| 23:03.33 | dankolb | Slicing? |
| 23:03.37 | eye69 | I want to run Open on my firewall, but it wont let me. My firewall has a fscked up PCI bus. |
| 23:03.40 | resuDaed | yeah, that thing |
| 23:04.42 | dankolb | D'oh |
| 23:04.48 | dankolb | Slicing is easy |
| 23:04.51 | dankolb | Just like partitinoing |
| 23:05.33 | resuDaed | also, can I have NAT/IP masq etc and still be able to ssh in |
| 23:05.51 | dankolb | Port forwarding.. |
| 23:06.19 | resuDaed | so the whole network will resolve as a single hostname to the outside world? |
| 23:06.25 | dankolb | Yes. |
| 23:06.35 | dankolb | My IP address is actually 192.168.25.41 |
| 23:06.36 | resuDaed | not other way aorund it? |
| 23:07.28 | resuDaed | mine is 80.193.187.194 & 10.0.0.1/8 |
| 23:08.20 | Jenson | Yay, I finally got o2.co.uk to validate my phone.......100 more free online texts :D |
| 23:09.08 | dankolb | Lucky you. |
| 23:09.26 | resuDaed | is it posisble to write lilo to a floppy disk so that it will boot from a cd? |
| 23:09.46 | eye69 | resuDaed: Guess so |
| 23:10.20 | eye69 | Preferable to write Grub in that case...then you can boot any machine... |
| 23:10.36 | resuDaed | I know lilo |
| 23:10.40 | resuDaed | roughly |
| 23:10.49 | eye69 | But you should know grub :) |
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| 23:12.13 | Jenson | hi formi |
| 23:12.43 | formi | hi |
| 23:12.49 | eye69 | I got WAP working on my phone today...hadn't actually bothered before |
| 23:13.08 | eye69 | formi: Why? |
| 23:13.08 | Huhn | hi formi -- what's up? |
| 23:13.17 | Huhn | formi: lol |
| 23:13.19 | eye69 | formi: Good |
| 23:13.30 | Huhn | formi: welcome to the club :) |
| 23:13.43 | formi | with only 4 glasses of gz style grappa |
| 23:14.17 | formi | I'll have to remain and expat for ever unless I imprvoce |
| 23:14.43 | formi | sorry improve |
| 23:14.54 | Jenson | My WAP only works 10% of the time |
| 23:15.53 | Huhn | formi: it is |
| 23:16.05 | formi | it lowers my resistance |
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| 23:16.17 | resuDaed | evening davilion |
| 23:16.22 | Huhn | hi davilion |
| 23:16.57 | resuDaed | what do I put in lilo.conf to boot from a cd? |
| 23:17.00 | formi | I could drink have a 1/2 litre of grappa without any problem |
| 23:17.08 | resuDaed | from a floppy |
| 23:17.50 | formi | resuDaed: are you trying to boot a cd from a floppy? |
| 23:17.51 | Jenson | hi davilion |
| 23:17.57 | resuDaed | formi : yes |
| 23:18.12 | resuDaed | a general floppy that will boot from cd when bios doesn't allow it |
| 23:18.22 | formi | shouldn't be difficult |
| 23:18.43 | davilion | just popping in to say i'll be in london tommorow evening if anybody wants a drink drop me an email david@glasgownet.com or ask dan/jenson for my number |
| 23:18.44 | resuDaed | I know, but I don't know how the entry that lilo would need to boot from a cd |
| 23:18.47 | formi | that is what basically the bios does |
| 23:19.04 | formi | it treats the cd as a floppy |
| 23:19.31 | resuDaed | yes, but I am talking about bios's either pre-cd borrint era or when booting from cd is disabled |
| 23:19.33 | formi | stupid hack, but what can you expect from the pc industry |
| 23:19.52 | resuDaed | s/borrint/booting |
| 23:20.31 | resuDaed | was pretty damn good wan't it *hic-up* |
| 23:20.37 | Jenson | eyah |
| 23:20.40 | Jenson | er yeah |
| 23:20.43 | resuDaed | lol |
| 23:20.46 | Jenson | I'm best when I'm drunk lol |
| 23:20.59 | Jenson | I try to tell everyone I'm drunk and no-one understands |
| 23:21.02 | resuDaed | this damn spannish brandy ... goes to your head pretty damn fast |
| 23:21.22 | formi | resuDaed: oi |
| 23:21.32 | resuDaed | what? |
| 23:21.46 | formi | resuDaed: it is bloody south spain bollocks of a liquour |
| 23:22.09 | resuDaed | I am talking about this shit I'm drinking |
| 23:22.50 | formi | there is no thing as damn spanish brandy, it is refered as I pointed a moment ago |
| 23:23.00 | resuDaed | Gran Capataz |
| 23:23.17 | formi | that ain't a liquor |
| 23:23.27 | formi | that's rat poison |
| 23:23.32 | resuDaed | I know |
| 23:24.10 | resuDaed | anyway, whats the lilo entry for a cd? |
| 23:24.52 | formi | you might ask in #knoppix, they are bound to know |
| 23:25.52 | resuDaed | wb Jenson |
| 23:26.00 | Jenson | ty |
| 23:26.17 | Jenson | But I dont actually feel well ATM anyway |
| 23:26.22 | dankolb | Why not? |
| 23:26.22 | resuDaed | not on this shit you wouldn't |
| 23:26.24 | Jenson | Well a little weird at least |
| 23:26.31 | dankolb | You always feel like that |
| 23:26.55 | Jenson | I dont think forgetting we were having soup for dinner and having 2 meals of soup and nothing else today helped lol |
| 23:26.58 | eye69 | Hmmm...I want to move the whole company over to IMAP, but I'm not sure what the load and bandwidth increase is going to be... |
| 23:27.47 | dankolb | From what? |
| 23:27.48 | dankolb | POP? |
| 23:27.52 | Jenson | Rat poison....we need some of that, damn rats nicking (or rather sharing as he doesnt seem to mind) food from my rabbit |
| 23:28.11 | eye69 | Yeah... |
| 23:28.14 | resuDaed | what day is it today? |
| 23:28.22 | eye69 | Would make backups a whole lot easier |
| 23:28.28 | Jenson | wednesday |
| 23:28.31 | cupis | resuDaed: "To"-day |
| 23:28.37 | cupis | tuesday here |
| 23:28.41 | Jenson | nope |
| 23:28.42 | dankolb | It's Tuesday |
| 23:28.43 | Jenson | tuesay |
| 23:28.44 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:28.50 | eye69 | Also I wouldn't get the whines about them not being able to get their old mail through the webmail |
| 23:28.57 | resuDaed | phew, if it was wednesday, then I'd be in the shit |
| 23:29.37 | cupis | eye69: can you do a trial with a subset of the whole company, to test load etc? You can always move them back to POP |
| 23:29.42 | eye69 | Thinking of teaching the muppets to use the fileserver for all their documents as well, so I wouldn't need to backup their workstations individually... |
| 23:29.52 | eye69 | cupis: Yeah...guess so |
| 23:30.11 | cupis | eye69: what are the workstations running? |
| 23:30.16 | eye69 | 98 |
| 23:30.54 | eye69 | Mailserver is a mostly idle dual p3 733, with (I think) 512MB |
| 23:31.03 | cupis | eye69: and do they specifically save to c:, or do they save to 'My documents'? |
| 23:31.27 | eye69 | Thing is we only have 1Mb line...it'd be about 15 ppl on IMAP |
| 23:31.58 | cupis | eye69: 1Mb line? where? |
| 23:32.10 | eye69 | Office -> mailserver |
| 23:32.26 | eye69 | mailserver has "unlimited" |
| 23:32.41 | eye69 | 100Mb to fileserver |
| 23:32.51 | cupis | mailserver -> office is unlimited? |
| 23:33.06 | eye69 | No, mailserver -> world == unlimited |
| 23:33.12 | eye69 | Office -> mailserver == 1Mb |
| 23:33.33 | resuDaed | office => world? |
| 23:33.36 | stephen | yikes, that ain't much |
| 23:33.45 | eye69 | resuDaed: 1Mb |
| 23:34.25 | formi | eye69: I have on of those BOFH shirts if you need help with the muppets |
| 23:34.28 | cupis | eye69: try it. I don't think you will actually use a huge amount of bandwidth with only 15 users. |
| 23:34.58 | eye69 | formi: I've got the "Got Root?" one, but they don't know what it means :) |
| 23:35.27 | formi | they would find out what bofh means if I were around for a little bit |
| 23:35.32 | Jenson | eye69: Get the 'I will not fix your computer' one then |
| 23:35.39 | eye69 | Jenson: Will do |
| 23:35.45 | eye69 | formi: Heh |
| 23:35.52 | eye69 | formi: I'm too nice :) |
| 23:36.13 | stephen | i really want a linux t-shirt, but would kinda feel guilty about splashing that much cash on a single item of clothing |
| 23:36.14 | formi | In my charity they actually stay still when they see me |
| 23:36.39 | stephen | i'd kinda like the 'serious slackware' one |
| 23:37.06 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:37.12 | Jenson | stephen: Thats zimm and he aint here |
| 23:37.31 | eye69 | Anybody feel like sharing a shipping fee from thinkgeek? |
| 23:37.34 | stephen | and a certain eye69 if you haven't noticed, and more |
| 23:37.50 | stephen | eye69: possibly |
| 23:37.58 | dankolb | 'night all |
| 23:38.15 | Huhn | nn dankolb |
| 23:38.31 | stephen | i can live without food, so what the hell, i may as well buy some t-shirts with the money I save |
| 23:38.39 | Jenson | grr he managed to storm out on me before I managed to storm out him |
| 23:38.42 | Jenson | Fucking wanker |
| 23:38.53 | eye69 | Jenson: Hey-he...mind the language :) |
| 23:39.08 | Jenson | :) eye69 |
| 23:39.13 | formi | Jenson: that might be your fault |
| 23:39.17 | eye69 | Not that I care |
| 23:39.19 | murb | formi: what does your charity do? |
| 23:39.38 | cupis | I don't remember anyone 'storming' out. |
| 23:39.44 | Jenson | yeah formi it was |
| 23:39.45 | formi | basically community work |
| 23:40.07 | formi | like taking care of children, old ancient people |
| 23:40.09 | murb | get to do anything intersting? |
| 23:40.15 | formi | nope |
| 23:40.31 | formi | appart from crashing windows boxes |
| 23:40.41 | murb | nnHuhn |
| 23:40.47 | Jenson | nn HuhnZzZ |
| 23:40.50 | formi | this is a voluntary job murb |
| 23:41.00 | eye69 | formi: And you call yourself a BOFH? :) |
| 23:41.02 | formi | later HuhnZzZ |
| 23:41.25 | murb | formi: i know. |
| 23:41.27 | formi | I have proved I can be nasty even if Im not paid |
| 23:41.45 | murb | I'm shortly going to have lots of free time... |
| 23:41.50 | eye69 | I want to get a sweatshirt |
| 23:41.56 | formi | pay me £££ and I bet you I'll improve |
| 23:42.14 | *** join/#gllug resuDaed_ssh (tom@pc-80-193-187-194-en.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:42.59 | resuDaed_ssh | <punk000> i cant seem to write to that file...... and i dont know what to write either |
| 23:42.59 | resuDaed_ssh | .----------------------------------------- -- - |
| 23:42.59 | resuDaed_ssh | | punk000 (~knoppix@Toronto-HSE-ppp3782862.sympatico.ca) (Canada (pHEAR)) |
| 23:42.59 | resuDaed_ssh | : ircname : Knoppix User |
| 23:42.59 | resuDaed_ssh | | channels : #knoppix |
| 23:43.00 | resuDaed_ssh | | server : irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/) |
| 23:43.02 | resuDaed_ssh | : idle : 0 hours 0 mins 5 secs (signon: Tue Feb 18 23:33:55 2003) |
| 23:43.04 | resuDaed_ssh | <punk000> but my # one concern is trying to change it from read only |
| 23:43.06 | resuDaed_ssh | <resuDaed> are you running knoppix? |
| 23:43.08 | resuDaed_ssh | <punk000> yes |
| 23:43.10 | resuDaed_ssh | <resuDaed> in which case the file you are trying to edit is on the cd correct? |
| 23:43.12 | resuDaed_ssh | <punk000> HAHAHA:p, i didnt think of that |
| 23:43.24 | resuDaed | didn't mean to flood just then, sorry, wrong button, was going to warn first |
| 23:44.13 | resuDaed | *no comment* |
| 23:44.28 | resuDaed | I think i'll give #knoppix a iss for a while |
| 23:44.32 | stephen | resuDaed: lol |
| 23:44.51 | cupis | resuDaed: *plonk* |
| 23:45.08 | stephen | actually, i must try out knoppix again, i've had the image on my HDD for ages now |
| 23:45.54 | resuDaed | me thinks a hacker 'wannabe' |
| 23:46.22 | Jenson | lol resuDaed I've just read that..what a fucking twonkle |
| 23:46.32 | resuDaed | someone apparantly told him he needs to run unix, and that he should edit inetd.conf |
| 23:47.05 | resuDaed | I cracked up after doing the whois, I just had to ask |
| 23:59.27 | Jenson | I'm not really cold, I just cant stop crying and shivering |
| 23:59.37 | murb | crying? |
| 23:59.40 | Jenson | yeah |
| 23:59.52 | Jenson | Dan and my best mates have just decided to turn against me |
| 23:59.59 | Jenson | Saying I dont care about anyoner but myselgf |
