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00:29.51dankolbnight
01:19.22*** join/#gllug Clyphox (~david@pc-80-193-238-178-en.blueyonder.co.uk)
01:21.04Clyphoxping
01:21.20Huhnpong
01:21.24Clyphox:)
01:23.22murbpush
01:24.40Huhnmhpf :(
01:24.57Huhnppl who sponsored my website so far decided it was too much traffic :(
01:25.17murbHuhn: you mean they don't want to host it anymore?
01:25.26Huhnmurb: correct
01:25.47Huhnmurb: it was the Weinbrenners, so I didn't say it on the #huhnix channel
01:26.14murboh, so it must be costing somthing...
01:26.21Huhnit seems so
01:26.32murbhmm, can you get any stats?
01:26.38Huhnit's ok that they don't want to host it anymore, but I need to find another solution
01:26.47Huhntbh: I don't care
01:26.58HuhnI helped them with editing various texts for their websites
01:26.58murbyou could save loads of bandwith if you used somthing like fotopic.net for the images
01:27.15Huhnit seems that they don't need my help anymore, deal over
01:27.27Huhnthat's a nice way of saying thanks.. really
01:27.58Huhnthe deal was: you write for us, edit texts, translate them into English, we host your webpage
01:28.07Huhnnow that their texts are all written the deal is over
01:28.10Huhn*sigh*
01:28.11murbI'd say put it on klepto.pho.be, but that won't be there for long...
01:28.48Huhnthanks for offering, I just have to find a solution..
01:28.52murband you probably don't want it on the wrong end of an adsl link.
01:29.12murbHuhn: I'm sure i could put it on a work server and nobody will notice for ages :)
01:29.51Huhnno wrong deals :)
01:30.15HuhnI'll have to find sth, it's a few days left before they remove my stuff
01:30.56Huhnit's not a prob that they won't host it anymore if it costs too much, the way they told me is what upsets me
01:31.19murbwhat size is the content
01:31.52HuhnI cannot even ssh the machine anymore
01:32.02murbthat is unfriendly
01:32.25Huhnyes, that's why I'm complaining
01:33.49Huhnit's no prob really when they tell me: remove your data -- fine, but deleting my account that I cannot backup the stuff is sth else :(
01:34.05murbdo you have a backup?
01:34.28Huhnat home, yes
01:34.59Huhnah, anyway, I shouldn't get upset, it's a cruel world
01:36.46highburyhey guys
01:36.50Huhnhi highbury
01:38.33murbhi highbury
01:38.40murbare you still job hunting?
01:42.35highburyyep :-(
01:43.03highburya couple of potentials, I'm waiting to hear about, but otherwise pretty quiet
01:43.23highburyibot lart kmail
01:44.05highburyhmm, I forget what does "lart" stand for?
01:44.48highburynow I've upgraded to latest kmail, its reorganised all my mail folders from alphabetic to semi-random
01:45.08murbluser attitude reajustment tool.
01:45.37murbI probably have to start job looking for tomorrow.
01:45.37highburyyep, that's it, thanks
01:45.44highburyibot insult kmail
01:46.48highburynot sure about "hugger-muggered"
01:47.13Huhnthanks, so it's not my English.. ;)
01:47.32highbury:-) nope
01:48.28Huhn(02:48) Searching for "hugger", max. output is 5 ... Search for "hugger" produced no results.
01:48.34Huhnleo doesn't know it either..
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02:00.00HuhnZzZ-> sleep, nn all
02:02.36murbnn
02:05.43highburynn
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09:18.09highburymorning
09:20.54Davilionhello campers
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09:22.23dank_workMorning
09:23.13Davilionhows it going?
09:23.22dank_workIts....going
09:23.25dank_workI'm tired :)
09:23.28Davilion<PROTECTED>
09:23.30highburyhomemade egg-macmuffins ...... Yummmmmm
09:23.30Davilionheheh
09:23.33dank_workFun :)
09:23.43dank_workWorking in McD's highbury?
09:23.44dank_work:)
09:23.59highburynope, made em myself
09:24.06dank_workAnd our production Collaboration system went a bit titsup
09:24.17dpashI prefer the pancakes
09:24.18dank_workAhh....but then they're not McMuffins :)
09:24.35dpashhmmm bland
09:24.51dank_work"What's the blandest thing on the menu?"
09:24.54highburythas why I said "macmuffin" ;-)
09:25.06dpashdank_work: but highbury never said they were McMuffins
09:25.10dank_workWhee! Lots of virii on our server
09:25.18dpashdank_work: fillet-o-fish
09:25.24dank_workAnd it's still not doing backups because the tape drive isn't connected
09:25.31dpashdank_work: only the tartare sauce has any taste
09:25.35dank_workAnd it's been our main fileserver for about a week
09:25.58dpashbackup? whats that??
09:26.13dank_workHeh :)
09:26.34dank_workSo I've never had a fillet-o-fish, and I never will
09:26.46highburydank_work: you still got that little server room in the offices, with everything balanced on each other?
09:27.07highburythank g*d they don't server Grits in the UK
09:27.16dank_workhighbury: Oh yeah.
09:27.20dank_workWith about 60 machines in there now
09:27.21highburynow Thats bland!
09:27.26dank_work(or maybe about 50)
09:27.38dank_workThe room was originally designed for 6
09:27.49highbury<sigh>
09:27.53dank_workOh, and the last Dirk-box went last week :)
09:27.57dank_work(gate has been replaced)
09:28.14highburydid they get the air-conditioning up-rated?
09:28.17dank_workNo.
09:28.26highburydid Dirk ever come back?
09:28.28dank_workThere's still only one aircon unit that's running full-tilt
09:28.32dank_workI don't think so
09:28.48dank_workWell, actually, not quite full tilt. Sometimes it gets it down to 20C
09:28.55dpashhighbury: try asking for a Quater Deluxe in McD's
09:29.02dpashit will be warm
09:29.14dpashit isn;t on the menu and they have to make it esp for you
09:29.35highburywhat's a "Quater" ?
09:29.40dpashit is also the most expensive burger, so if you get a meal, you'll be giving them less profit
09:29.46dpashhabad spelling?
09:29.54highbury:-)
09:30.18dpashquarter?
09:30.30highburyok, I thought it was some sort of McDonald's Freemasonry Secret code
09:30.50highburya variation on "Quaker"
09:31.08dpashnow that is a scary tin foil hat thought
09:31.30dpashQuaker is a christian denomination
09:31.37dpashnot a secret society
09:32.41dpashthey believe that you don't need a huge church to worship their god
09:32.42dpashor any of the riches that other churches have
09:42.37dank_workBah. I just got phoned by someone whose network is down. It's not our effin' problem!
09:42.50dank_work(they're on a remote, non-Causeway, site)
09:44.12dpashI got a phone call on Monday at 5:20 saying "does site A have PCAnywhere installed, cos I'm going there early tomorrow and I need to contact site B"
09:44.54dank_workThe correct answer is: "It's 5.20. I don't care!"
09:45.02dank_workOr was this 5.20pm?
09:45.37dpashpm
09:45.42dpasheven still the answer was feck off
09:46.15dpashhow long must he have known about goting to site A?
09:46.50dpasha little warning would hae been nice
09:47.13dpashas it was my boss was near site A during the day
09:47.45dank_workHeh
09:53.12dank_workHmm. There's something wrong today
09:53.27dank_workThe person who phoned me phoned back and apologised to me.
10:03.37dpashblimey
10:12.23dank_work:)
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10:58.48zacharygood morning
11:00.36dank_workhi
11:02.09zacharybbl, evening.
11:28.55Huhnmoin
11:31.18dank_workhi
11:31.31Huhnhi dank_work :)
11:31.48dank_workHow's life?
11:31.58Huhncrap :(
11:32.29dank_workAww. What's up?
11:32.43Huhncold, fever, and some "friends" with "nice" decisions about my homepage..
11:33.15dank_workAww
11:33.36Huhnmh, but sth nice happened too: the postman brought the B.A. tickets today ;)
11:33.58murbcool
11:34.29dank_workCool.
11:34.34dank_workSo we'll see you on the 1st :)
11:34.40Huhndefinitely
11:34.50dank_workGood luck, murb
11:34.55Huhnmurb: see you later
11:34.58dank_workToday's your possibly last day, isn't it?
11:35.24murbish, he should give me a weeks notice .
11:35.30dank_workAh
11:36.48murbBut i would be stupid to assume either that or him paying me.
11:36.59murband boss is locked out of his office today hehe
11:37.20dank_workhehe
11:37.25dank_workHave you been changing locks again?
11:38.20murbno, i just locked bosses office when i left tuesday night at about 2000
11:38.30murbwhich seemed reasonable, expect he left his keys in it maybe.
11:38.38dank_workOops :)
11:40.31Huhn*grin*
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12:30.04Axelhiho
12:34.22Tarragon...to work we go
12:34.54dank_workhohi
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12:42.11dank_workGood coffee?
12:44.15Huhnyes, thanks :)
12:45.08dank_workGood :)
12:45.13dank_workProper coffee, hopefully?
12:48.48dank_workNone of the Instant stuff?
12:49.33Huhnmom, phone
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12:58.01dank_workHi new2unix
12:58.27new2unixhi dan. logging in from work for a change. hows things?
12:59.14dank_workOkay.
12:59.15dank_workI'm tired
12:59.22dank_workI hate Causeway collaboration
13:01.40new2unixDan: you got experience with Cisco equiptment? A Cisco 2950 Catalyst Swotch?
13:02.40new2unixs/Swotch/Switch
13:07.12Huhnre
13:07.25Huhndank_work: coffee was excellent, the _real_ black stuff
13:15.27dank_workOh good :)
13:18.50dank_workWe just have instant at work :(
13:18.59dank_workMaybe I'll try and buy some proper ones at Tesco
13:19.59murbthey had a proper machine in luxembourg
13:22.02dank_workProper machine being?
13:22.05dank_workEspresso? Filter?
13:22.55murbExpresso
13:23.08dank_workI have an espresso maker at home
13:23.17dank_workNo space on the desk to bring it in
13:39.14murbwhy did i read desk as disk?
13:39.46dank_workcoz you're a geek?
13:39.47dank_work:)
14:17.00agkFor any users of IE (Iraqi Explorer):  http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
14:18.10dank_work:)
14:18.16dank_workThat's been doing its rounds
14:24.50murbhas anyone played with a recent bocks+the kernel patch+the plex86 plugin?
14:24.55murbs/bocks/bochs/
14:25.21dank_workJon Masters, probably
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14:25.44dank_workThat was quick
14:26.33dank_workin...out
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14:28.11ClyphoxHiya
14:28.25dank_workello
14:28.29dank_worknot going to leave so quickly?
14:28.29ClyphoxWagwan?
14:28.39ClyphoxNo was just testing a script..
14:28.43ClyphoxIts ok now..
14:29.24Clyphoxibot seen pdr
14:29.24pdr <~pdr@pewtersystems.pdr.me.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 13d 14h 5m 29s ago, saying: 'night all'.
14:29.30Clyphoxgrr..
14:29.41dank_workEmail him?
14:30.00ClyphoxI hope pdr@pewtersystems.pdr.me.uk works
14:30.13dank_workWhat about pdr@pdr.me.uk ?
14:30.28dank_workOr possibly even pdr@pdr.cx
14:30.32ClyphoxAhh a better Idea even..
14:30.43ClyphoxI lost his phone number.. damn phone..
14:32.31agknice article about Nigerian scam  http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030218/36/dtj7x.html
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14:54.07ClyphoxWish silicon.com had gone further and supplied dud account details..
14:54.22ClyphoxWould be nice to hear what the phone call was like too hehe
14:54.47dank_workheh
14:54.56dank_workboss-man?
14:55.04Clyphox_workYou watchin the cricket?
14:55.07dank_workno
14:55.09Clyphox_workNah.. jsut remembered..
14:55.10dank_workwhy?
14:55.11Clyphox_workAwwee..
14:55.27Clyphox_workJust wondering.. I like cricket myself :)
15:02.00dank_work:)
15:03.50Clyphox_workeek.. boss_man apeareth
15:04.26dank_work:)
15:04.39dank_workWhy don't you run this in a screen session?
15:04.45dank_workThen you can easily detach and reattach
15:04.52dank_workOr flick to a different window
15:26.30murbboss has decided to delay until next week making me the luxembourg offer...
15:26.51dank_workOkay. So you're still working ATM...
15:30.01murbdank: well it means he will have to pay me to atleast the end of feb.
15:30.32dank_work:-)
15:41.58murbmeans also i can use work printer to print out CVs and stuff
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15:48.02ClyphoxOi oi
15:48.05Clyphoxhelp..
15:49.39dank_workWhat's up?
15:49.48ClyphoxHow would ya stat a file to see how many lines there are in it?
15:49.51dank_workwc
15:49.55dank_workwc $FILE
15:50.01dank_work(or even, wc-l)
15:50.07dank_workwc -l
15:50.10Clyphoxkewl
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15:56.13dank_workwb
15:56.21ClyphoxI really should get screen goin..
15:56.22Clyphoxta
15:56.28dank_workYeah
15:56.31dank_workType 'screen'
15:56.37Clyphox(big bossman once again)
15:57.15Clyphoxhmm :  tgetent: warning: termcap entry too long
15:57.47dank_workignore it
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15:58.00Clyphox2Wee
15:58.14dank_workHeh
15:58.21dank_workDo you know the basic screen commands?
15:58.31Clyphox2not one..
15:58.38dank_workOkay.
15:58.46Clyphoxohh.. two me's.. this is weird
15:58.48dank_work^A-c will create a new screen window
15:58.56dank_work^A-n will go to the next window
15:58.57Clyphox2Ctrl+a+c ?
15:59.05dank_work^A-p will go to the previous window
15:59.13dank_workNo. Ctrl+a, then c
15:59.18Clyphox2Ahh cool
15:59.21Clyphox2Very nice
15:59.28dank_workIf you want to do a 'proper' ^A, then use ^A-a
15:59.47ClyphoxHow do I exit?
15:59.53Clyphoxand resume?
15:59.56dank_work^A-d detaches
16:00.02dank_workAnd 'screen -r' reattaches
16:00.25dank_workIf you want to reattach an already-attached screen session, use 'screen -X' (or is it 'screen -x'?)
16:00.57Clyphox2x
16:01.10Clyphox2-r mucked me up..
16:01.14Clyphox2boss man
16:02.40ClyphoxI like this
16:02.51ClyphoxOhh I'm gonna go look at my mail.. hehe
16:02.57Clyphoxhehe
16:03.27ClyphoxI like
16:03.33ClyphoxI like alot..
16:03.43ClyphoxNow I can stay idle here for ever hehe
16:03.45dank_workYou need to detach before you can reattach with -r
16:03.48dank_workHeh :)
16:05.20ClyphoxI needed to do -x -r made the terminal w31rd
16:06.05Clyphoxhmm.. new terminalls are w31rd..
16:06.10Clyphoxgonna try again..
16:06.24Huhnwhat a day :(
16:06.36Clyphoxweird.. I can't see what I type..
16:06.48Clyphoxand all out put is on the same line...
16:06.49dank_workYou're broken, Clyphox
16:06.52dank_workHuhn: What happen?
16:07.01ClyphoxI know.. a very borken box my server is..
16:07.14Huhndank_work: oh, just too much to do :/
16:07.34dank_workahh
16:07.43dank_work:-/
16:07.49Huhntrying to sort mailboxes with a headache is not a good idea
16:07.56dank_workNo.
16:08.02dank_workSorting them with a keyboard is far better.
16:08.07Huhnwaaaaaaaaah ;)
16:08.13Huhnibot: lart dank_work
16:08.16dank_work:)
16:08.17dank_workSorry
16:08.47Huhn*grin*
16:09.14dank_workHave fun
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16:10.40dpashhi
16:10.44ClyphoxHi
16:10.51dank_workwb
16:10.54Clyphoxta
16:11.00Clyphoxhere to stay I hope
16:11.55dank_workheh
16:11.56dank_work:)
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16:17.28dank_workDid you know that the top cover of a hard drive can score the platter quite nicely?
16:17.56Clyphoxplatter?
16:18.00new2unix"score the platter"?
16:18.02dank_workYes.
16:18.05Clyphoxeh?
16:18.09dank_workThe platter is where the data is stored.
16:18.21Clyphoxand to score it is to?
16:18.23dank_workTo score something, in the sense of to make a mark in it
16:18.29ClyphoxAhh..
16:18.54ClyphoxThey have vacummes inside too..
16:18.59dank_workNo they don't
16:19.09Clyphoxaparently they did..
16:19.22dank_workNah. Reduced pressure, maybe
16:19.32dank_workBut, well, hard drives have breather holes
16:19.42Clyphoxhehe
16:20.03dank_workSo obviously they can't be in a vacuum
16:20.11dank_workActually, then they can't be under low pressure either
16:20.18dank_workBut they're very clean inside
16:20.33Clyphox(mirror)
16:20.46new2unixAre the internals of a 3.5" HDD any different to that of a 5" one? If not, why dont PC manufacturers use them instead? surely, it could decrease the size of a base unit considerably?
16:21.00ClyphoxCost..
16:21.10Clyphoxcost me 80 for a simple 20g
16:21.23Clyphoxand a 20g is normally 30quid to me.
16:21.33dank_worknew2unix: eh?
16:21.39dank_worka 5.25" drive?
16:21.46new2unixyeah.
16:21.52dank_workIs bigger, not smaller than a 3.5" drive
16:21.56Clyphoxpedantic :P
16:22.03dank_workHow can it decrease the size of a base unit?
16:22.42dank_workNo. I just don't understand
16:22.46new2unix*drinking
16:22.57dank_workIf something is bigger than another thing, how can it decrease the size?
16:24.06Clyphox_workHe meant 2.5
16:24.10Clyphox_worker 3.5
16:25.10new2unixOk. I mean, wouldnt it make desktops smaller if PC manufacturers used laptop HDD instead of what they use now?
16:25.35dpashmy teacher soon stopped laughing when I told him to meausre one
16:25.49dpashnew2unix: many of the mini ITX machines need 2.5" drives
16:26.13Clyphox_workreally?
16:26.46Clyphox_workI thought they were mostly larger ide's
16:27.05Clyphox_workits all gonna change when ppl wake up to serial-ata :-)
16:27.23new2unixyeah. but why isnt it a standard amongst the manufacturers?
16:27.51Clyphox_workmoney
16:27.57Clyphox_workthey don't care about quality.. only money
16:28.17new2unixi mean the usage f laptop parts. its not like these components havent been tried and tested in the wild.
16:29.38Clyphox_workits the cost.. they are expensive.. therefore will sell less
16:31.43dank_workLaptop drives are slower
16:34.42Clyphox_workand quite noisey I find too
16:42.19dank_workNot necessarily
16:42.51dank_workBut the 3.5" drives tend to spin faster, which gives them faster seek times (and often transfer rates)
16:43.09Clyphox_workmine just klunks alot
16:43.15dank_workAnd you wouldn't get a smaller footprint PC if you used a laptop drive instead of a 3.5" one
16:43.21dank_workThere's plenty of bigger components
16:51.03new2unix_brbbut one could replace all those 'bigger' components for smaller ones, right?
16:51.17dank_workNot that easily
16:51.23dank_workNot much free space on a motherboard
16:52.23new2unix_brbApart from the ability to easily upgrade the hardware on desktops, what other reasons make people prefer them to laptops? Oh and the price factor.
16:52.55dank_workGenerally nicer keyabords?
16:52.56new2unix_brbI'm sure prices would go considerably down, if we all ditched our desktops for laptops.
16:52.58dank_work*keyboards
16:53.03dank_work(or at least, easily replaceable)
16:53.16dank_workMice are much nicer than glidepads
16:53.27dank_workAnd nipple mice are just evil
16:53.39new2unix_brbso you think the *nice* factor is a huge one?
16:53.53dank_workI'm a bit picky about keyboards
16:54.01dank_workI'm not too keen on the one I'm currently typing on
16:54.17dank_workAnd larger size means better heat dissipation
16:55.16new2unix_brbbut heat dissipation is only an issue on highend machines. Its hardly an issue with entry level machinery.
16:56.00dank_workYou try playing one of the latest 3D games on a laptop, compared to a similar spec desktop
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17:12.15dank_workwb
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17:16.38dank_workwb
17:16.39dank_work:)
17:17.00dank_workDon't we all
17:45.09Clyphox_workThink I'm gonna go home early today and pack..
17:45.36HuhnCOOK-> food
17:45.59Clyphox_workhmm..
17:47.12dank_workWhere are you off to?
17:47.35Clyphox_workme?
17:47.38Clyphox_workHome..
17:47.51Clyphox_workohh sry..
17:48.12Clyphox_workI'm going to Aberdeen on Friday till Monday 3rd (I think)
17:48.21Clyphox_worksadly I'm gonna miss the installfest
17:52.26dank_workAww :(
17:52.36dank_workWell, have a good time :)
17:54.45Clyphox_workHow do I leave screen again?
17:55.19dank_work^A-d will detach, if that's what you want
17:55.25dank_workAre you coming back onto IRC?
17:56.20Clyphox_workI'm going home then installing urban terror hehe..
17:56.25dank_workHEhe
17:56.36Clyphox_workI lost my homedir but havn't found time to fix my system yet..
17:56.43Clyphox_workand the craving is BAD
17:57.00Clyphox_workcyas..
17:57.04dank_workbyee
17:57.13Clyphox_work(thanks for the screen words btw)
17:57.46Clyphox|roamingscreen rocks muahaha
18:11.33HuhnCOOKmurb: ex?
18:14.39murbHuhn: yep the people that used to work here.
18:14.56dank_workBwah
18:15.00dank_workWell, it's time for me to go home
18:15.05dank_workSee y'all later
18:15.46HuhnCOOKmurb: I thought, you were not going back?
18:16.20murbI'm meeting people here to give them kit
18:49.27highburyHi guys
18:49.44highbury... and gals
18:50.46murbhi highbury
18:50.51murbHave you got a cd writer yet?
18:51.01Huhnhi highbury
18:52.00highburyno CD-rewriter yet :-(
18:52.59Huhn*yawn*
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19:11.45SpudUAwayhighbury: Where are you downloading from?  I know you install from a loopback distro, but if you want a CD based version I'll burn one for you.
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19:22.19zacharygood evening
19:23.29Huhnhi zachary
19:23.45eye69Hi zach
19:25.03zacharyHow's the day?
19:40.08highburySpudUAway: I can't tell you otherwise, I'd also have to shoot you.
19:41.22highbury:-)
19:42.20zacharyhey nobody is shooting anyone, highbury. After all I do need him for this weekend. :)
19:42.57zacharySpudUAway: I am free to hand out flyers this weekend. My wife's schedule changed. :)
19:43.09zacharyIs there anything that we need?
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20:02.03dpashhi
20:03.25Huhnhi David
20:04.22Huhnwhy?
20:04.34Huhnoh dear ;)
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20:05.07Huhnwb zimm
20:05.11zimmHuhn: :)
20:05.30dpashzimm: tis loverly
20:05.58zimmdpash: no , its not...
20:06.15Huhndpash: ?
20:06.17zimm<PROTECTED>
20:06.49dpashHuhn: crap canadian manufactured skate punk grrrl
20:07.03Huhndpash: I know ;)
20:07.05dpashzimm: where are you? brookes?
20:07.09zimmLOL
20:07.15zimmi wish ..
20:07.18Huhnbut why growl at her?
20:07.25zimmthey hung up on me when i applied
20:07.29zimmheheh
20:07.45dpash[20:06] < dpash> Huhn: crap canadian manufactured skate punk grrrl
20:08.08zimmdpash: its stephen thats at Brookes
20:08.12Huhnyes, but there is a lot of crap music and artists, why not growl at them? :)
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20:11.41zimmibot: lart btopenworld
20:11.49dpash_fscking thing
20:11.49dpash_hopefully it will be sorted tomorrow
20:12.00dpash_what did I miss
20:12.05zimmdpash_: fsck all ..
20:12.06Huhnnothing
20:12.14dpash_really
20:12.20zimmanyway .. you are lucky matre , i wont have net access at home for over a month .
20:12.45zimmthere isnt even a phone line physically attached to the building yet  ! lol
20:12.47dpash_zimm: no phone?
20:13.09dpash_801.11[abg]
20:13.29zimmyeh like i can afford that ..
20:13.30dpash_but I want to know about viagra
20:14.07zimmlol
20:14.40zimmgrrr... sms.lycos.co.uk keeps crashing IE
20:14.54eye69highbury: But what are all those Nigerian princes going to do?
20:15.05dpash_zimm: no, IE keeps crashing IE
20:15.22zimmdpash_: yeh that too ...
20:15.23zimmlol
20:15.30dpash_6 months ago I was getting like 2-3 a day
20:15.51dpash_now I am lucky(?) to get 2 a week
20:17.05dpash_wee?
20:17.10dpash_fecking massive
20:17.24zimmsee , .. its been a while ,, lol
20:17.28dpash_having said that, I am addicted to freecell
20:17.50zimmmna , thats serious , id book into rehab .
20:18.28dpash_I always found gnome freecell harder than windows free cell :(
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20:19.22dpash_zimm: start -> programs -> accessories -> games -> freecell
20:19.40dpashbut beware you'll be hooked
20:19.58zimmdpash: man , i darent ... if i crash this box im fooked , cos i cant login again lol
20:21.09zimmwell ,,, i have but its been disabled .,.
20:21.45zimmive already got like 4 crashed instances of IE in the background
20:23.28cupishi all
20:23.39zimmheya cupis
20:26.46cupiszimm: trouble with your uni account?
20:27.57zimmcupis: the LEA havent paid my fee's ,,,so my account has been  disabled and  im not technically allowed on the premises
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20:28.16dpash_right I need a new ISP
20:28.18zimmso ive sneaked in , and logged in on someone elses account
20:28.22cupiszimm: wonderful. How did you find out?
20:28.26dpash_demon?
20:28.31cupisdpash_: satalite?
20:28.33cupissp
20:28.43cupisdpash_: Demon are good.
20:28.46zimmcupis: i atempted to attend a lectuer , and wasnt allowed into the building , and had my ID confiscated
20:29.12cupiszimm: ouch. Is someone sorting it?
20:29.21zimmcupis: I FSCKIN hope so ..
20:29.28cupiszimm: careful you don't get done for using someone elses login as well. :)
20:29.39zimmcos its cost me like 4 grand to live in london since september
20:29.57zimmcupis: im only IRC'ing ..
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20:30.32zimmgreettings dankolb
20:30.43cupiszimm: still counts as Computer Misuse - just logging in will get you. Of course, whoever gave the user/pass pair would be in just as much trouble.
20:30.48dpash_cupis: satellite is coming
20:30.55dankolbEek. More of you :)
20:30.59cupisdpash_: tomorrow?
20:31.05zimmcupis: yeh well ... at the moment i dont really care ..
20:31.05dpash_hopefully
20:31.08cupisdankolb: ahem
20:31.16cupiszimm: fair 'nough
20:31.21dpash_the guy has got the equitment, he just needs to find time to come and see us
20:33.29cupisdpash_: are you still planing to do your village-wide wireless/wired 'net access thing?
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20:37.00dpash__okay I really need a new ISP
20:37.01cupiswb dpash__
20:37.05cupisdpash__: are you still planing to do your village-wide wireless/wired 'net access thing?
20:37.14dpash__demon don't do a anytime service
20:37.18dpash__cupis: not sure
20:37.28dpash__cupis: depends if we get the time
20:37.30cupisdpash__: freeserve?
20:37.41dpash__rather not, but if I have to
20:37.51dpash__they aren't much better than BT
20:37.57dpash__I would rather have a business ISP
20:38.08cupisdpash__: I beg to differ. Maybe your line is crap?
20:39.28dpash__yeah okay so BT are really bad
20:39.36dpash__but freeserve are bad
20:40.20cupisdpash__: and AOL? What about Telewest something-or-another. Do they cover your area? Maybe you should move.
20:40.30dpash__nope
20:40.42dpash__cupis: this is work
20:40.44dpash__moving is easy
20:40.50dpash__but I can't move my company
20:41.24cupisdpash__: well cross your fingers and hope the sat. guy comes tomorrow.
20:41.30dpash__clara?
20:44.12cupisdpash__: nope, sorry. Was going to throw you a clara dialup to play with, but contract frowns on that sort of malarky
20:45.36dpash__cupis: they do a free trial ;)
20:46.15cupisdpash__: probably not worth it if you are getting your connection sorted out tomorrow?
20:46.28dpash__cupis: it is a 0845 number
20:47.04dpash__the sat service is pay for data
20:48.18dankolbMaybe
20:48.27dankolbWhat about a nick of ATZ ?
20:49.13dpashlol
20:49.50cupisdpash: change for debian-kde/cupis.html:  s/no/yes/
20:50.47dpashw00t
20:50.54dpashwell done
20:51.00cupisdpash: cheers
20:51.04dpashelmo did something
20:51.17cupisdpash: tbm made him :)
20:51.37dpashcoll you can do my irssi-snapshot uploads
20:51.43cupisdpash: meant I could squash the embarassing #181695 myself :)
20:51.48dpashs.ol.oo.
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20:55.15dpash_you filed a bug against your own package?
20:55.25dpash_this is getting beyond a joke
20:56.19cupisdpash_: I do it all the time.
20:56.47dpash_so will you do an upload for me in a few days?
20:56.57cupisdpash_: uh, dunno.
20:57.16dpash_I'll let you do a few of your own first
20:57.20cupisHaven't looked at the sponsor stuff. Only did my first upload today. :)
20:57.46cupisdpash_: what are you packaging? I'll have a look if you catch me when I've got some time.
20:59.00dpash_irssi-snapshot, xirssi irssi-scripts
20:59.51cupisdpash_: madkiss's old packages?
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21:03.02dpashhmmm
21:12.31Clyphoxre
21:12.36dankolbre
21:12.44dankolbscreen is nice, isn't it?
21:12.53ClyphoxDa
21:13.02ClyphoxI am likink dis
21:13.15dankolbIn Soviet Russia, dis likes you
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21:19.10dankolbHi Dave
21:19.44ClyphoxHi again
21:19.55Clyphoxer.. another dave right?
21:22.08dankolbYes
21:22.10dankolbDave Irvine
21:22.17dankolbWho never talks for about 5 mins after he joins
21:26.08Davilionthats right.
21:26.13Davilionits carefully timed you know
21:26.24Davilionhows life?
21:27.33dankolbIt's quite good, thanks
21:27.44gj_:)
21:27.50dankolbYou?
21:28.06gj_me
21:28.11dankolbYou!
21:28.16gj_tak to ja :)
21:28.20gj_yes it's me
21:28.55dankolbWiem
21:29.36gj_;)
21:29.51gj_my friend is comming from glasgow in 1h, so i have to go
21:30.08gj_but still lurking this channel
21:30.19gj_you are using different tongue from english
21:30.20gj_:)
21:30.46dankolb:)
21:31.33gj_see ya guys
21:31.35Daviliondan, not bad, i guess.
21:32.40dankolbFOSDEM pics are are http://eco.li/photos/FOSDEM-2003/
21:33.39Davilionhell of a day and not showing signs of improvement
21:34.08dankolbAww
21:34.15Davilionit was mud slinging match at leeds
21:34.21dankolbAre you going to/from London tomorrow?
21:34.36Davilionall my athlon customers and i do mean *ALL* my athlon customers have emailed me telling me their systems have melted
21:34.43dankolbBwah
21:34.49Davilionour admin lady just  moaned at me because of the mess of my car
21:35.01dankolbThat's silly
21:35.52Davilionand grahame moaned at me because he thought i had his bind book, when i didnt, and its mine and its in a state and i dont care because i can still read it and i just want to curl up lol but if i go home i'll get it in the neck from him and i just need to find a new housemate
21:36.17Davilionyeah well she's married to the MD and she doesnt moan much but she had to go fish something out of it, and its got a weeks supply of lunch remains in it lol
21:36.34dankolbYou need a beer
21:36.40Davilioni know
21:36.47Davilionwell im not sure what im upto at the weekend
21:37.00dankolbAhh. I'm probably busy on the weekend.
21:37.08Davilionunless tommorow is a bad day and i decide i need to go home and be hugged im probably stay here and look for a place to live
21:37.11dankolbBut are you around London tomorrow?
21:37.15dankolbAhh
21:38.31Davilionerm not likely, i think im going to be in the office or in nottingham
21:41.11Davilionin all honesty i tihnk i will try and go home to be loved lol
21:42.14dankolbAww :)
21:42.15dankolbOkay
21:42.32Clyphoxhome is nice
21:43.16Davilionheheh, i can tell im going to feel rather fragile by the end of tommorow
21:43.17dankolbSometimes
21:43.42dankolbBollocks.
21:43.43Davilionahh when i say home, what i mean is i'll go home, dump the car hit the pub then find my mates and hide out at their house until its safe to come out
21:43.44dankolbI can't ssh to work
21:44.00dankolbI'm sure I added myself to the firewall rules
21:44.06dankolbiobt lart
21:44.06Daviliondankolb: whats wrong with telnet? if you need to encrypt it, you must have something to hide
21:44.11dankolb:-P
21:44.13dankolbibot lart
21:44.30dankolbibot lart dank
21:44.34dankolbibot lart dankolb
21:44.38dankolb4th time right...
21:46.44Davilionheh
21:47.18dankolb:-) Thanks mate
21:48.52Clyphoxgtg..
21:48.56dankolbbye
21:49.02ClyphoxBusy packing..
21:49.07dankolbOh joy
21:51.33Davilionwhat you upto dan?
21:53.08dankolbNot much - just updated website a bit (FOSDEM pics), and need to send an email to pics@fosdem.or
21:53.11dankolb+g
21:53.28dankolbPlus I've got far too much email to read.
21:53.30dankolbWhat about you?
21:56.56Davilionmuch of the same, just trying to sort out my website (www.irvined.co.uk) and think of sometihng funny for www.twonkle.com
21:57.23dankolb:)
21:57.33Davilionand i've got far too much mail to bother reading
21:57.40dankolbJust ignore most of it, then
21:58.51Davilionyeah i've /dev/nulled quite a bit alreay
22:00.04dankolb:)
22:05.25Davilionim also listening to metalica but dont let that stop you
22:10.56zacharyI've got to go, fussy baby.
22:11.02zacharybye, and good night
22:11.04Davilionnn
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22:15.57Davilionanybody know of any packages which need packaging for debian?
22:16.10Davilioni need to get myself another online project in the absence of an offline girlfriend
22:16.30cupisDavilion: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp
22:23.09Davilioncupis: nice one
22:24.06cupisDavilion: there is plenty of non-packaging work that wants doing as well, if you are interested
22:24.16Davilioncould be
22:24.25Davilionive no idea how to make .debs yet but im working on it
22:24.43cupisDavilion: read as much as you can bear from http://www.debian.org/devel
22:25.23cupisincluding http://www.debian.org/devel/todo
22:28.59cupisDavilion: what sort of stuff are you likely to be interested in? And dare I ask about this new found free time?
22:30.33Davilioncupis: not sure, it just dawned on me today how much i like debian and it would be good to give something back so i guess the easiest way to start is by creating a package for sometihng i could use
22:30.36Davilionbut im open to suggestions
22:30.39Davilionand i dont have any free time
22:30.45Davilionbut thats sbecause i work when im bored
22:30.49Davilionso i want to do less work, more hobby
22:31.30cupisDavilion: well one of the best ways to start might be to look at any outstanding bugs/problems with the programs you know/use and try and help resolve those with the maintainer.
22:31.45Davilionnot a bad idea.
22:32.00cupisThat's a good way to work, improving on someone elses work and learning from them etc.
22:32.26cupisThen maybe take on packages of your own or help with other group efforts within Debian.
22:34.40Davilioncool.
22:35.19cupisand see if you can get dankolb to do the decent thing and ditch slack :)
22:36.00dankolbOi
22:36.10cupisoh, hi there dan.
22:36.19dankolbsorry - on phone
22:36.41cupisno worries
22:36.44dankolbBah. Debian sucks :)
22:36.59Huhnno way :)
22:37.22cupisdankolb: you are out-numbered and out-classed :)
22:37.37dankolbNo. I'm far too classy :)
22:37.47cupishi Huhn
22:37.53Huhnhi cupis
22:37.57Davilionhehe
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22:42.27cupisoh no, not another one
22:42.30cupis:)
22:42.38Jensonhey cupis
22:42.42cupishi Jenson
22:43.32Davilionhi Jenson
22:43.37Jensonhey Davilion
22:43.48DavilionJenson: www.twonkle.com
22:44.18dankolbhi Jenson
22:44.49Jensonlol dave
22:44.52Jensonhey dankolb
22:44.57Huhnhi Jenson
22:45.13Jensonhey Huhn
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22:51.59cupiswb Jenson
22:52.17Jensonty
22:53.54Jensondankolb's DSL (or rather Demon) is a bit dead
22:55.34Jensonwb
22:55.39DavilionJenson: hows things going?
22:55.50JensonAlright thankls dave
22:56.09Davilionwhat you upto?
22:56.40JensonTalking to Dan trying to traceroute his DSL
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23:01.49Jensonwb dankolb
23:01.51Huhnwb
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23:04.55Davilionheh
23:04.57Jensonhi dankolb_
23:04.57dankolb_Grr
23:05.07dankolb_Piece of utter shit
23:05.16dankolb_I haven't used the dialup in a couple of months
23:05.18Daviliondon't you just love bt
23:05.22dankolb_And it *still* fucks up
23:05.34JensonDavilion: BT has been fine with me :)
23:05.47Davilionso much for internet anytime
23:05.50JensonI dont like it
23:05.55dankolb_Any time, as long as it's 150 hours
23:05.55JensonI want ADSL
23:06.02dankolb_Get a job first
23:06.07Davilionthey wouldnt except that I do actually sit at my desk on irc for more than 16 horus a day
23:06.18JensonI do about 84 hours a month according to last bill
23:06.18dankolb_:-)
23:06.24JensonBut I have surftime
23:06.29JensonWhich is 120 hour limited
23:06.43dankolb_Heh
23:07.14JensonDavilion: Did you get caught by the BT service caps then?
23:07.35Jenson:)
23:07.46JensonLike 'There's Something About Mary' lol
23:07.48DavilionJenson: yup
23:07.52DavilionJenson: heh
23:08.18JensonDavilion: Shit, I don't see how they can call it aytime and then cap it
23:08.35Davilionyeah its just so stupid
23:09.04cupisit's called anytime, not all-the-time
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23:23.19qwertzzanyone up ?
23:23.28Jensonhiya
23:23.57dankolb'allo
23:24.34dankolbFuck. Our fileserver hasn't rebooted properly.
23:25.03JensonHoney, you cant do anything about that now
23:25.11qwertzz<- just moved to london - looking for linux work
23:25.16dankolbGood luck
23:25.25dankolbSo are quite a few of the people here
23:25.56SpudUAwayqwertzz: What sort of stuff have you done in the past?
23:26.54qwertzzspud: with linux - generally sysadmin, networking, extensive security. did lots of work with thinclients
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23:29.57dankolbwb Dave
23:30.43SpudUAwayAs has been hinted at, there isn't a lot of work about at the moment.  But we have a meeting coming up on the 1st March which will allow you some 'social networking' at least.
23:30.53Davilionthanks
23:31.00Davilionit appears gcc3 wasnt the problem that time
23:31.20qwertzzspud: aight. thats good
23:31.24JensonSocial networking, that could be fun
23:31.31JensonIf I get to the installfest
23:32.01stephenh4x0r
23:32.05stephen;)
23:32.11Davilion:)
23:32.25Davilionheheheh
23:32.36dankolbJenson: Well, assumingyou don't spend your train money on phone credit...
23:32.57Daviliondata protection?
23:33.33dankolbNah.
23:33.36dankolbBored
23:33.39Davilionnice
23:34.04SpudUAwayShirley you want to use a drill if you're bored?
23:34.40Jensongrrr, I thought I'd lost my screwdrivers, but they'd hidden under the MS Office CD my dad insisted I install as he pointblank refused to use Linux after I left Win in a half dead state
23:35.08dankolbheh
23:35.19dankolbWell, I took a screwdriver to it first
23:35.33SpudUAwayScrewdrivers also offer good scratching potential, especially against Office CDs.
23:35.38Davilionyes
23:35.44stephentbh, it's not worth trying to convert your parents, just get them to get you a machine of your own
23:35.47Davilionbut what you really want to do is open the disk up, spin it up, and throw things at it
23:36.04Jensonstephen: I have one, but no internet or printer, so I took over theirs
23:36.12dankolbThe top lid of a hard drive makes very good scores on a drive platter
23:36.21JensonI have 3 actually
23:36.25JensonWell 2 and a half
23:36.29JensonBut only one works
23:36.54stephenJenson: yeah, I installed my own network and fscked around with samba and some java proxy server for about a year and a half
23:38.04stephenhmm, anyone know if it's possible to do backups over ftp
23:39.34dankolbwb Dave
23:40.10dankolb'night Dave
23:40.12Davilionhehe well it didnt lock solid, but it didnt load this time so im off home to bed
23:40.13Davilionnn everybody
23:40.18Jensonnight Dave
23:43.07cupisnight Davilion

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