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00:27.22dankolb'night all
00:27.35stephennight dankolb
00:40.03highburyahh, well, we were spared X/CDE config questions at least :-)
01:11.40highburynite folk
01:12.22stephenwould I be right in assuming that the value in /proc/sys/fs/file-max, is the maximum number of files that can be open at once?
01:18.22murblehighbury: that iis't going to happen since formi hasn't got a monitor o it.
01:46.38eye69stephen: Yes
01:46.55eye69stephen: It's easiest changed with sysctl
01:47.15eye69stephen: Do you have /etc/sysctl.conf ?
01:47.54stephenno
01:48.05eye69Ok
01:48.10eye69'sysctl' ?
01:48.22stepheni've echoed a higher value into /proc/sys/fs/file-max
01:48.55stephenyeah, sysctl works
01:49.01eye69stephen: Run 'sysctl -a'
01:49.56stephenk, it shows the same values as under /proc
01:50.15eye69Create a file called /etc/sysctl.conf, add 'sysctl -p' in your startup files
01:50.47stephenwhat does that do?
01:50.55eye69In sysctl.conf you just add fs/file-max = value
01:51.12eye69Then anything you add in sysctl.conf will be actioned every time you boot
01:51.34stephen/proc gets overwritten?
01:52.09eye69Proc doesn't contain real files.
01:52.23eye69It's a runtime mounted virtual filesystem
01:52.49eye69Nothing you write to any file there will be saved on reboot
01:53.33stepheneye69: ok, what values would you recommend for a PIII 800, >700mb RAM server?
01:53.37eye69Scrap syslog.conf :)
01:53.49stephenk
01:54.02eye69That depends on what you run on it. There's not a lot of things that warrant changing that value at all.
01:54.35stephenI think it's going to be a shell server, so probably quite a few BNCs
01:55.03eye69What is it now?
01:55.22stephenit hit a 8192 limit
01:55.30stephenwith virtually nothing running
01:55.37eye6932768 will be quite safe
01:55.50eye69Hmmmm...that should _not_ happen
01:56.03eye69In that case you should check with 'lsof' what files are open
01:56.08eye69There might be something wrong
01:56.13stephenyeah, that's what i've temporarily set it to
01:56.23stephenthe box had to be rebooted
01:56.32stephenso unfortunately there wont be any info
02:03.43stephencheers eye69, I'll definitely have to buy you a pint on Saturday, or whenever we get to meet
02:04.45eye69stephen: Np
02:05.05eye69We'll have to shake paws then...missed it last time :)
02:06.02stephenwe certainly will
02:08.24eye69I'm so pissed...ordered haagendaaz with the pizzadelivery...ordered Vanilla choc fudge but the bloody bastards gave me baileys
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08:59.22dank_workMorning
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09:30.09dpashhmmm lost connection this morning for some reason
09:30.21dank_workBT being crap?
09:30.44dpashdank_work: nope, we have our satellite now
09:30.57dank_workOoh :)
09:30.59dpashwe should be on permantly now
09:31.02dank_work:)
09:31.05dank_workIn theory...
09:31.10dpashesp if I could spell it
09:31.31dank_workYup
09:33.16TarragonEveryone lost connection. One of the major freenode servers has been taken out for replacement. Hopefully around 8am everyone fell off and reconnected although agk is missing.
09:34.23dank_workHe pung out
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09:40.52zacharygood morning
09:41.48dank_workhullo
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09:47.39dank_work'ullo
09:47.47resuDaedibot seen Clyphox|a
09:47.47resuDaed: i haven't seen 'clyphox|a '
09:47.48dank_workOur backups work.
09:47.52dank_workOur restores don't
09:48.11zacharydan I would say that is bad.
09:48.18resuDaedhave you had too call on your backups, or was it a test that failed?
09:48.26dank_workI tested the reading
09:48.42dank_work[root@fs0new root]# tar -tf /dev/st0
09:48.42dank_worktar: /dev/st0: Cannot read: Cannot allocate memory
09:48.42dank_worktar: At beginning of tape, quitting now
09:48.42dank_worktar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
09:49.03dank_workopen("/dev/st0", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE)  = 3
09:49.03dank_workfstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0660, st_rdev=makedev(9, 0), ...}) = 0
09:49.03dank_workstat64("/dev/null", {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0666, st_rdev=makedev(1, 3), ...}) = 0
09:49.03dank_workread(3, 0x806e888, 10240)               = -1 ENOMEM (Cannot allocate memory)
09:49.55resuDaed'cannot allocate memory' would suggest the fault does not reside in the backup hardware
09:50.24resuDaedhave you tried it from another box?
09:50.26dank_workThe hardware is working
09:50.48dank_workNay. If I dd a few blocks from the tape, then I can do tar on it.
09:50.55dank_workIt's doing the whole lot
09:50.57dank_work(from tape)
09:51.13dank_work[root@fs0new dank]# dd if=/dev/st0 of=backup.tar
09:51.13dank_workdd: reading `/dev/st0': Cannot allocate memory
09:51.13dank_work0+0 records in
09:51.13dank_work0+0 records out
09:51.20resuDaedone of those 'look busy' times you get to relax at work?
09:51.24resuDaedah
09:51.33dank_work[root@fs0new dank]# dd if=/dev/st0 of=backup.tar bs=80k
09:51.36dank_workThat works...
09:51.49dank_workHmmm..
09:51.49resuDaedhow much free ram have you got?
09:52.25resuDaedmaybe mount yourself a few hundred Mb of swap and see if you grab a bit further
09:52.50dank_workIf I specify the blocksize, then it works.
09:53.35resuDaedn00b question : when specifying the block size, you are still reading the whole tape, correct?
09:53.47dank_workYes
09:54.44resuDaedah, yes ... it all comes flooding back (I have a backup of my boot sector)
09:59.21resuDaeddank_work : do you have a .ircrc file I could hack?
09:59.34dank_workErr....don't think so.
09:59.47dank_workNay.
10:00.16resuDaednp
10:01.39resuDaedwhat would anyone suggest learning that would get a job (almost anyjob (not 1st line support!!!!!))?
10:01.49dank_workEnglish
10:02.22resuDaedlol, English is my second language, I can almost speak it fluently now
10:02.33zacharyresuDaed: The art of bullshit.
10:02.35dank_work:)
10:02.58resuDaedzachary : I pretty much have that, but I need my bullshit needs direction
10:03.27dank_workTowards the fan.
10:03.35zacharylol
10:04.00resuDaedie a speciality (for the first job at least) ... it seems people with general knowledge (although IMHO the most useful type) are not the ones in huge demand
10:04.17dank_workUnless you find the right job.
10:04.23TarragonDo you want to focus on IT?
10:04.31dank_workAnd, if so, what aspect of IT?
10:04.42dank_workProgramming? Sysadmin? Network admin? Support?
10:04.55resuDaedSysadmin/Net Admin
10:05.11dank_workCisco
10:05.15dank_workSolaris
10:05.21resuDaedbut someone of my age/experience wont get a position as yet
10:05.28TarragonYes - Cisco
10:05.31dank_workYou could, as a junior sysadmin
10:05.45dank_work(aka backup-tape monkey)
10:05.55resuDaeddank_work : I cannot find those kind of jobs anywhere - would be perfect
10:06.19dank_workYou just have to look around, really.
10:06.23resuDaedand I don't know how I can learn Cisco on the cheap
10:06.36dank_workAsk someone to give you a Cisco router?
10:06.58resuDaedI have been looking for 6 months or so ... found nothing serious that I havn't already applied for ... and have had no response (24 or so applications)
10:07.27resuDaed(these were posts from an agency, so I feel I probablly got lost on the 'system')
10:08.02resuDaedCan someone give me a Cisco router? (;-D)
10:08.20resuDaeds/give/lend
10:08.24TarragonFreeSCO http://www.freesco.org/
10:08.30dank_workI could lend you one
10:08.52resuDaeddank_work : seriously? would be more than helpful
10:09.04resuDaedTarragon : looking now
10:09.24dank_workWell, it's been sitting in my cupboard for a couple of years now
10:10.14resuDaedthat would seriously be perfect ... would allow me to get some experience with some real hardware
10:10.34resuDaed(network based ... I have a few NICs and a transparant hub)
10:12.32dank_workWell, I've always intended to get around to playing with IOS, but haven't quite managed
10:14.07resuDaedwhere exactly is that cupboard?
10:15.50dank_workIn my bedroom
10:18.05dank_workon phone - brb
10:18.31resuDaeddank_work : and your accomodation is where roughly : postal code etc.
10:20.07dank_workHP9 1BD
10:20.54dank_workIt's a Cisco WAN router, though, and I don't have WAN cards for it
10:21.03dank_workBut it's also got 2 Ethernet interfaces
10:21.18dank_workCisco 2605 (or something thereabouts)
10:23.59dank_workI just asked if I could have it, and I was given it :)
10:24.21resuDaedI also have only LAN, is it capable of LAN routing
10:24.28resuDaedthat approach often works
10:24.40dank_workI don't know.
10:24.47dank_workAs I said, I haven't played with it.
10:24.53dank_worknever got around to it :)
10:25.07dank_workAnd, even if you can't, you still get to play with IOS
10:30.59resuDaedwould the ethernet connection to my cable modem count as WAN?
10:31.24dank_workNo
10:31.30resuDaeddidn't think so
10:31.56resuDaedso what exactly is a WAN connection ... ie aparat from the wide area bit, how does it differ
10:32.09dank_workAX/25, ATM
10:32.18dank_workLeased line
10:32.39resuDaedah, must get myself one fo those (leased line)
10:33.16dank_workmoney...
10:33.19resuDaedneed to extend my network by about 1km ... although wireless/bluetooth is probably cheaper
10:35.27dank_workYeah, but won't extend over 1km
10:35.48resuDaedI know (or had fears)
10:36.41resuDaedwas thinking along the lines of fibre optics, but that would invlove the cost of digging up strees or cables crossing the road
10:37.32dank_workFibre is good
10:37.38resuDaedwhat is the max distance of wireless?
10:37.48dank_workBut I want to keep my 10bFL transceiver that's with the Cisco router
10:37.54dank_workabout 300m
10:38.02dank_workYou could try building a microwave transmitter
10:38.48resuDaedso I could try and persuade someone residing between the two points to put a box in their loft to extend the network :-)
10:38.58dank_workriiight :)
10:40.15resuDaedhmm, maybe I could try and sell them a set top box (mini ITX) that does some fancy tricks, but needs a box in the loft to um keep connected to a centralised server
10:41.29resuDaedthat would explain the wirless network (if they were ever to inspect the hardware)
10:41.38dank_work:-)
10:42.07resuDaedand I could also use their box for a little extra processing power if I ever needed it
10:42.10dank_workBut if you want to borrow the router, I can try and bring it to the Installfest for you
10:42.13dank_work:-)
10:42.28resuDaedthat would be great ... make sure I get down there now :-)
10:43.58resuDaedhow big is it (ie 19" rack, *u ?)
10:46.43dank_workNah
10:46.53dank_workFairly small footprint
10:46.55dank_workNot rackable
10:47.12dank_work10"x8"x2"
10:47.16dank_workOr maybe less.
10:47.23dank_workI haven't taken it out of the box for a long time
10:48.18resuDaedsmaller = better, a) I have little rack space left, b) I don't like putting computer hardware on my racks
10:48.42resuDaedsome pretty strong magnetic fields
10:49.43resuDaed.OT: I don't think Clyphox will be able to make it to installfest, but his twin brother will probably be able to
10:50.14dank_workCool.
10:50.23dank_workThat'll be just as good, then :)
10:50.38resuDaedby then, you'll have met most of the family :-)
10:50.54dank_work:-)
10:51.08dank_workMost?
10:51.11dank_workAre there only 3 of them?
10:51.35resuDaed4 (excluding parents)
10:51.43dank_workSo I haven't met most of them
10:52.42resuDaedby then half (including parents), 3/4 (excluding)
10:52.55dank_workHave I?
10:53.31resuDaedClyphox, A4266 (the twin brother), resuBitch (my gf)
10:54.04dank_workAhhh....she's a member of the Clyphox Clan, then?
10:54.16resuDaedaye ... how I met Clyphox
10:54.21dank_workAhh :)
10:54.38dank_workThat explains a bit better :)
10:55.32resuDaedlol, I thought you already knew :-)
10:55.45dank_workI didn't :)
10:56.48resuDaedresuBitch is my younger sisters best friends older sister
10:57.01resuDaed:-)
10:57.09dank_workAnd that's the 4th member of the family?
10:57.21resuDaedher younger sister, yes
10:57.41dank_workHeh :)
10:58.02resuDaedisn't life simple
10:58.07dank_workit is
10:58.45dank_workSo will we see your sister or Beth's sister on IRC?
10:58.55dank_workAnd if not, why not? :)
10:59.32dank_workresuDaed: You any good at programming?
11:00.00resuDaedneither of our sisters are particularly technically minded, although they are both appreciative of both the 'geek culture' and of open source
11:00.04resuDaeddank_work : not bad
11:00.50dank_workWhat's your email address?
11:00.59resuDaedtom-t(at)talk21.com
11:01.20dank_workRight. Check your email
11:01.31dank_workShould be a message from one 'Bob Dunlop'
11:02.40dank_workDunno if it's of interest to you, though...
11:02.58resuDaedyes, looks intresting ... I would need to brush up ... I havn't written anything non perl/bash based in 6 months or so
11:06.44dank_work:)
11:10.02resuDaedand I may need to learn C, I only really know C++
11:11.26dpashresuDaed: the only difference is that you need to use malloc/free and stdio
11:11.44dpashoh and you can't use classes
11:12.25dank_workThere's many more differences
11:12.25dank_workWhy do I have a 71s lag?
11:12.29resuDaeddpash : so not much really
11:12.30dank_workAh. Gone now.
11:12.35resuDaedI have a 1s lag
11:14.11resuDaedfreesco looks good, although it only comes with telnet (not openSSH)
11:15.02dank_workBut it doesn't run IOS
11:15.20dank_workThe whole point of getting a real Cisco is to learn IOS
11:16.45murbleIOS sucks.
11:16.57dank_workMaybe...
11:17.41resuDaedI know, but I can set myself up with a router until Installfest anyway
11:18.32murbleresuDaed: do you have adsl?
11:20.13resuDaedmurble : cable
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12:36.59Huhnmoin
12:37.24jensonhey Huhn
12:37.45Huhnhi jenson, how's it going?
12:38.10jensonAlright thanks, how are you?
12:39.05Huhnfine, thanks :)
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12:56.44jensonhi agk
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12:57.45jensonhey dpash_
12:59.18dank_workHi jenson
12:59.24dank_workFucking Windows.
12:59.26jensonhey Dan
12:59.27jensonlol
12:59.28dank_workI hate it. Hate it Hate it.
13:00.04stephenis there any OS you like bar slackware and FreeBSD?
13:00.50dank_workOpenBSD.
13:01.00dank_workActually, all OSes suck.
13:01.06dank_workBut we all know that
13:01.19dank_workVMS isn't too bad yet, but I don't know enough about it to screw it up
13:01.38jensonYeah Dan computers suck!
13:03.30jensonIt's a;lright Dan I'll drag you back to my place first
13:03.32jensonhey Clyphox
13:03.33ClyphoxHi all
13:03.33dank_work:)
13:03.36dank_workHi Clyphox
13:03.54dank_workwhy? I'm talking to you here...
13:03.58ClyphoxI'm in Aberdeen now..
13:04.03dank_workWhat fun :)
13:04.08dank_workAnd on IRC, too.
13:04.16Clyphoxyeah.. thanks to screen
13:04.30dank_work:)
13:04.32Clyphoxplus my adsl was only supposed to come on on Wednesda too
13:04.35dank_workheh
13:04.45ClyphoxI like f2s.. they really are good.
13:05.04ClyphoxI'm glad I don't ever have to..
13:05.17dank_workUntil you get a proper job ;-)
13:05.48Clyphoxyeah..
13:05.54dank_workGo into the warm then
13:05.55ClyphoxIts sunny here..
13:06.06jensonI went to get my phone so I could get a number to send a text
13:06.07Clyphoxor maybe thats because I'm not at work..
13:06.21dank_workHeh
13:06.34dank_work:)
13:06.40dank_workIt's overcast here
13:06.42ClyphoxMy fiancee can remember lots of numbers.. she's weird :)
13:06.59dank_workHehe
13:07.01ClyphoxWell I got clean blue skies here :) its cool
13:07.05Clyphoxer Ski
13:07.07Clyphoxer Shy
13:07.08jensonClyphox: I do that
13:07.11Clyphoxer Sky
13:07.29Clyphoxjenson, be weird or remember numbers?
13:07.36jensonboth
13:07.44dank_work:)
13:07.45ClyphoxI definatly think its a girl thing ;-)
13:07.50dank_workShe can't even remember my number.
13:07.51dank_work:(
13:08.16ClyphoxSome guys like that.. (that is.. guys who can't get their girl off their backs..)
13:08.29Clyphox(not like your like that..)
13:08.31Clyphoxer..
13:08.35Clyphoxsomeone shoot me..
13:08.40Clyphoxer.. actually ..
13:08.51jensonlol
13:09.26ClyphoxI gtg for a while.. my grl's angry with me atm..
13:09.28dank_workNow. Stop. Breathe. Think. And now, what were you trying to say?
13:09.29Clyphoxgirls..
13:09.35dank_workWhat've you done to her?
13:09.55jensonGirls are nothing but trouble Clyphox
13:09.57Clyphoxcan't talk now.. being blasted as we speak..
13:10.10jensonlol ok good luck
13:10.13dank_workHEh.
13:10.27dank_workSee what you get yourself into with girls...
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13:45.12ClyphoxHeya
13:45.24ClyphoxI'm back and still alive!
13:45.24dank_workYou survived the female onslaught?
13:45.39ClyphoxOnly slightly
13:45.46dank_work:)
13:45.48dank_workHow did it go?
13:45.54dank_workAnd what were you in trouble for, anyway?
13:45.57ClyphoxNot bad.. it was her fault after all
13:46.14dank_work:)
13:46.28ClyphoxWe decided that I was going to go to one/some of ther lactures (Uni)
13:46.41ClyphoxShe decided for me that I was going to the one she just left for
13:47.04ClyphoxWhen I said.. I don't want to go to todays one I nearly Died..
13:47.06Clyphoxphone..
13:48.12Clyphoxback
13:48.30ClyphoxIt is so sunny.. I hope it stays like this..
13:48.39ClyphoxI can maybe even get some sun..
13:48.46ClyphoxI get more sex than sun
13:50.55dank_work:)
13:50.59dank_workNothing wrong with that...
13:51.07ClyphoxI've got a nice contention ratio here.. getting downstreams of abount 70k
13:51.17dank_workNot too bad
13:51.17Clyphoxyes there is.. I need sun!!
13:51.26dank_workSex in the sun?
13:52.04Clyphoxhehe..
13:52.14ClyphoxNah I prefer night time I think..
13:52.53dank_workGrrrrrrr.
13:53.10dank_workWhy the fuck do people call for 2 rings, and then hang up as soon as I answer someone else's phone
13:56.19ClyphoxWhat programs do you use for a digital camera? usb?
13:57.08Clyphoxgphoto?
13:57.57Huhnphotopc
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14:00.13OrangeSkieshi all
14:00.30OrangeSkiesdoes anyone know of a speedy place to download mandrake from?
14:01.37dank_workyeah
14:01.44dank_workOne of the Mandrake mirror sites :)
14:01.51dank_workTry ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.mandrake.com
14:01.59OrangeSkiesthanks :)
14:02.12OrangeSkieslinux-mandrake.com wasnt responding
14:02.27ClyphoxHuhn , is it able to do usb stuff.. just looks like its for serial stuff.?
14:02.39Clyphoxtry www.mirror.ac.uk maybe
14:02.53OrangeSkiesok, ty :)
14:02.53Clyphoxer .co.uk
14:05.43eye69Clyphox: It does USB.
14:05.59OrangeSkiesis there any particular version of mandrake that you guys would suggest a newbie to use?
14:06.26eye69Clyphox: Check that you don't just need USB storage though. Might not need a program at all.
14:06.41eye69A lot of the newer cameras use regular USB storage.
14:07.29HuhnClyphox: photopc can do either serial or USB, 2 different tar.gz as far as I know
14:11.51Clyphoxok..
14:12.14ClyphoxI'm gonna buy me one of theose sipics cams. little ones..
14:19.48dank_workOrangeSkies: The latest one
14:24.10OrangeSkiesta
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14:45.39murbleseen leeds
14:45.50murbleibot seen leeds?
14:45.50leeds <~richardc@user-1605.bbd05tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 19h 41m 43s ago, saying: 'sunfreeware.com is a good place to start'.
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14:47.21dank_workHi Dave
14:47.43davilionhiya
14:48.23highburyhi
14:48.30dank_workHow's it going?
14:51.34davilionnot too bad
14:51.39davilionat york uni today fixing a server there
14:51.46dank_work:)
14:52.12davilioni hate this server its so unreliable
14:52.22dank_workI hate windows
14:52.26dank_workI'm having a bad day
14:59.46daviliondon't we all.
14:59.51davilionbad start to the week?
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15:02.43dank_workVery
15:04.48davilionwhat happened?
15:05.22dank_workToo much ATM.
15:05.26dank_workI want to kill something
15:06.35davilionsomething or someone?
15:06.38murblea small insect?
15:06.41dank_workEither will do
15:06.53davilionheheh
15:06.57davilionYour getting monkey rage
15:07.05dank_workYes. I want to go for a beer.
15:07.09dank_workOr 7.
15:07.38davilionBheh
15:07.44eye69I'm up for beers
15:07.46davilionwell my day started crap and is only getting worse
15:08.13davilionim having a mental block and I cant remember the root password
15:08.25davilioni know the theme but cant remember the exact spelling
15:08.28dank_work:-/
15:08.29davilionand its so drustratign
15:09.11murbleeye69: in high wycombe?
15:09.31eye69murble: Nope. Grays, Essex.
15:09.44eye69Oh well, beers on saturday
15:10.26stephenindeed
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15:29.56dank_workHm.
15:31.23dank_workWell, I've sorted the printing problem
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15:31.32dank_workwb jenson
15:31.35jensonty
15:31.37davilionhi jenson
15:31.42jensonDont think I can stay long though
15:31.45jensonhey davilion
15:31.50dank_workHaving to go home soon?
15:32.02jensonNo, I think there is meeting in
15:32.03jensonhere
15:32.07dank_workso?
15:32.21jensonMeaning they'll take over the comoyters
15:32.25dank_workAnd?
15:32.29dank_workWon't there be one free for you?
15:32.43jensonMy mother wouldnt dare let anyone see me ircing lol
15:32.48dank_workWhy not?
15:33.07jensonYou know what she's like
15:33.18dpashis it not ladylike?
15:33.21dank_workEvidently not
15:33.52jensonlol
15:34.03jensonAlthough I've just had chocolate
15:34.07dpashjenson: we all need chocolate
15:34.12dank_workYou can't have enough
15:34.45jensonI are a thole 150g galaxy bar yesterday
15:34.53jensonerm
15:34.55HuhnI don't need chocolate, I need more time
15:34.56jensonate a whole
15:35.09Huhn*sigh*
15:35.16Huhnthanks, dpash :)
15:35.36dank_workHa ha.
15:36.31jensonThing is, I've opnly been using Linux for 2 weeks (well as a main OS anyway) is it normal to hate Windows?
15:36.49Huhnjenson: yes ;)
15:36.55stephenno, you just tend to prefer linux
15:36.56dank_workI hated Windows before
15:37.46jenson:)
15:37.49dpashjenson: it is normal to find things that you just can;t do in windows that you do naturally in linux
15:37.53dpashlike window shading
15:38.00dank_workUntil I just said 'sod it' and edited the registry
15:38.21dank_workdpash: Window shading is *not* Linux
15:38.36davilioni always hated windows
15:38.42jensondpash: I spent about 6 hours configuring a printer in Linux, instead of just booting up win and installing it for win, then again I'm weird
15:38.43dank_workIt is a feature of some window managers.
15:38.51dpashthe only way to remove the setting was by using regedit
15:38.52dank_workBut it is *not* a Linux feature
15:39.13davilionjenson 150g bar of chocolate is not a lot of chocolate on the grand scale of things
15:39.31dpashdank_work: no, but it is a common thing that I do in linux, but can't do in windows
15:39.33davilionwhen yous tart getting closer tot he kg thats proper chocolate consumption
15:39.37jensondavilion: No, I know
15:40.04dank_workAnd you can probably do it under VMS, too (DECWindows)
15:40.10jensonThing is, I either buy loads more chocolate, or actually have enough money to afford to go to the installfest
15:40.15dank_workAnd any other Unix that runs X, and the correct Window Manager
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15:40.53jensonThis place is gonna get taken over in a minute I know
15:40.55jensonhey skugg
15:40.59skugghi jenson
15:41.00davilionhmm
15:41.08skuggibot seen leeds
15:41.08leeds <~richardc@user-1605.bbd05tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 20h 37m 1s ago, saying: 'sunfreeware.com is a good place to start'.
15:41.12dank_workCome to the Installfest. Unless you'd rather have chocolate than see me.
15:41.18dank_workdpash: Have you used it?
15:41.29dank_work:)
15:41.32dank_workCool.
15:41.35davilionits days ilke this i wish i had a copy of 'molectular dynamics for retards' and 'comutational chemistry in an easy access nutshell'
15:41.57skugghm. I'm about to send my cv to Sun, and was hoping leeds would be here for some last-minute advice :P
15:41.59dank_workdavilion: to hit people with?
15:42.26jensonShit, I need to go find my MP3s BRB
15:42.34skuggshould I say anything in the email apart from which job I'm applying for? any advice at all? :)
15:42.49dank_workPass.
15:43.15dpashskugg: if applying for a job include a few paragraphs about why you would be great for that particular job
15:43.24daviliondank_work: no so i could understand what this code does and perhaps why its crashign out
15:43.34dank_work:)
15:43.46skuggdpash, i'm not sure I would :P but it would be great for me :)
15:43.57stephenskugg: same thing ;)
15:44.05daviliontheres a load of big matrixes and lots of calls to lapac
15:44.30davilioni suspect its running out of ram
15:44.52dpashdavilion: is it C?
15:44.55davilioni also need fortran for dummies.
15:44.55murbleso insert some more.
15:45.05davilionmurble: its got 4gb
15:45.10dpashoh fortran
15:45.11dank_workOooh. Fortran :)
15:45.19murblefortran 90?
15:45.26davilion77 i tihnk.
15:45.36dank_workPunched cards!
15:45.40davilionyay!
15:45.52davilionahah, it is a memory problem.
15:46.01dank_workQuite a few years back he passed up the opportunity to get hold of a Honeywell 316
15:46.02davilionbut not within his code by the looks of it
15:46.08dank_workPunched Paper Tape computer :)
15:46.58davilioni suspect what happens is that it can't allocated enough memory for the result of the mpi call and the buffer space needed to store the data before the mpi call completes
15:47.02skuggname-dropping is probably bad, yes? :S
15:47.19skuggand anyway, I don't have leeds' concent...
15:47.33murbleskugg: you're apply for a job in the sun?
15:47.36murbleing
15:47.40skuggmurble, yeah
15:48.07dpashwow mpi too
15:48.24dpashserious crap apis
15:48.52dank_work(at the Installfest)
15:49.12jensonerm nope
15:49.21jensonI have an IDE 1GB....but nit might be dead
15:49.28dank_workNo good. Need SCSI
15:49.40daviliondank_work: i may have one, let me check.
15:49.50dank_workOoooh :)
15:49.51davilioni have a few old sun boxes that i network boot.
15:50.03davilionnot sure what disks are in them
15:50.22dank_workOkay - I'd like a 1Gb, though. Or 800Mb.
15:50.30daviliondpash: nothing wrong with mpi if you like that kinda thing
15:50.35dank_workI have a 420Mb in that Alpha at the moment, and it's a bit too small
15:51.19davilionideall you would use a higer level call like the api oxford developed for rolls but can't remember the name, but for distributed memory programming its ok
15:52.37resuDaedafternoon all
15:52.40davilionhi resuDaed
15:52.52TarragonAfternoon resuDaed
15:53.17dank_workHi Tarragon
15:55.20murblewill you break a computer?
15:55.23resuDaeddank_work : I have a 240Mb SCSI disk
15:55.25murbles/break/bring/
15:56.03resuDaedI don't carry much SCSI h/ware though
15:56.25dank_workresuDaed: Can I have that too, please?
15:56.32dank_workCould be good for my Personal Iris
15:57.00resuDaednp, be a good exchange for you lending me the router (except you can keep this)
15:58.28resuDaedcame out of an IBM (486 I think) with a (to me) wierd array of hardware
15:59.12dank_workMCA?
15:59.31murbledank: you want another personal iris?
15:59.42davilionpersonal iris?
15:59.53dank_workOld hardware
16:00.07dank_workmurble: Err.....some spare parts would be nice
16:01.36resuDaeddank_work : am not sure, but its a 50 pin SCSI anyway
16:01.48dank_workThat's fine :)
16:01.59resuDaedmanufactured by Quantam for IBM
16:02.12jensonyay!
16:02.24dank_workGood for you :)
16:02.51resuDaedshite, I have to go pick up a cheque
16:03.00dank_workSurely that's a good thing?
16:03.04resuDaedgot to be out of there by 4:20
16:03.14resuDaed(in time to make it to bacnk)
16:03.22resuDaedlaters all
16:03.24dank_workC'ya
16:03.58murbledank: it is hopefully still in hatfield, ad includes monitor
16:05.30dank_workmurble: Yeah, but I can't easily pick it up
16:05.40dank_workI have to try and sneak things past dear mother
16:06.24skugggah. spellchecking could be usefull :P
16:06.31skuggs,ll$,l,
16:09.38dank_workmurble: Monitor I don't need really - I just need to build myself a BNC cable
16:10.06dank_workActually, would anyone have a spare Sun monitor cable? (13W3->13W3)
16:10.21dank_workOr even 13W3->BNC
16:11.08zacharydank_work: might want to ask formi.
16:11.29dank_workGood point.
16:11.51stephengot one, but its not spare, I could ask if you want
16:12.32zacharypicked up another vectra, had a pci 3com Etherlink w/ utp, aui and bnc. Not much use to me.
16:12.40dank_workOkay :)
16:13.27stephenzachary: where are you getting them from?
16:14.04zacharyBCF, corner of cleveland st and new cavendish st.
16:14.26stephenk
16:15.13dank_workOoh.
16:15.13dank_work3COM 3C509?
16:15.28zacharylet me check
16:15.35dank_workSorry. 3c905, woudln't it be?
16:15.35dank_work509 is ISA
16:16.14eye69900 or 905
16:16.19stephenhah, brookes are giving away those 3com isa cards
16:16.20eye69900 is 10Mb PCI
16:16.37murbleI've got loads of 3c509s
16:16.47dank_workThey're supported by everything (except Minix)
16:16.59dank_workmurble: Any chance of grabbing one off you?
16:17.11murbleminix supports ne1000s doesn't it?
16:17.29dank_workne2k, I thought
16:18.57murbledank: what phyicals do you want?
16:19.20zachary3c900 Etherlink XL
16:19.36zacharyeye69: good catch
16:22.20zacharykvm switch came in today, as I was getting it ready for installation, I realized that I ran out of open ports on my hub. Now I need to beg for an 8port switch.
16:22.27dank_workmurble: Definitely BNC
16:23.32murbleok BNC and rj45 it is.
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16:25.09jensonI have a lag of 11.63 here lol
16:25.09jensonSo you'll have to excuse me
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16:25.36jensonwb davilion
16:25.38dank_workwb jenson
16:25.40davilionta
16:25.42dank_workmurble: Cool. Thanks :)
16:26.36jensonI'm surrounded by people trying to learn to install programs in Win
16:26.36jensoncomedyt lol
16:26.47dpashjenson: that is low lag compared to what I was getting last week
16:27.34skuggdank_work, never tried the stuff, but unless it's abhorrent it shouldn't be a problem? i sure as hell have no problems with a litre of beer in that time... :)
16:27.34skuggor coke for that matter
16:27.42dank_workI thought you were being kicked out of the computer room
16:27.50dank_workIt's a cheaper version of Red Bull (but tastes a bit nicer, or something)
16:28.35dank_workI'm sure I could drink a litre of it in the next hour
16:28.43dank_workIt'd be very very bad for me, but that doesn't really matter.
16:29.23jensonI was trying to install publisher for my mother
16:29.27skuggdank_work, ah. if you have to drink in secret it becomes a whole different issue ;)
16:29.29jensonbut it seems to have been tsaken away from me
16:29.44dank_workHeh.
16:29.55dank_workskugg: No. Just in the office.
16:30.12skuggi see
16:30.41jensongrrr I need a publisher product key
16:30.58dank_work111-111111?
16:31.11jensonthat aint 25 characters lol
16:31.12dank_workAhh.
16:31.15dank_workOne of those.
16:31.20jensonthats a cd key
16:32.10dpashdank_work: 123-1234567 also works
16:32.19dank_workTrue
16:32.33dank_workOr for some versions of Office, it was 1112-11111
16:32.52dpashor 1234-1234567 ;)
16:32.58dank_work:)
16:33.13jensonQuite why did they make it so damn obviouys?
16:33.18dpashlike sarcraft, you can put in random numbers and just change the last digit until it works
16:33.35dpashalthought it may just need to end in 6
16:33.41jensonwell yeah that too :)
16:33.51dpashboth installs on Friday required 6
16:33.55jensonThe other person has returned with the cd key
16:33.56dpashthat may just be luck
16:34.08jensonI seem to remember I was installing it lol
16:34.36dpasha lot of people just use a mod 11 error check
16:34.37dank_workMmmmm. Heart attack material :)
16:34.54dpashAIUI ISBN uses a mod 11 check
16:35.09dpashor indesign, or kword
16:35.20jensonhas anyone got a publisher authenticity code?
16:35.24jensonWell I use Linux
16:35.29jensonit's my mother who uses XCPO
16:35.32jensonerm XP
16:35.42dank_workHeh
16:37.43dank_workWe knoe
16:37.45dank_work*know
16:40.14jensonWell, looks like i dont have to install publisher, someone else has fone it
16:40.21jensons/fone/done
16:41.06dpashdank_work: neither do I ;)
16:41.17jensonThey've all got their laptops out
16:41.20jensonI want a laptop
16:41.49dank_workLaptops are overrated
16:41.54dank_workPlus they can burn your crotch
16:42.00jensonlol dank_work
16:42.12dank_workIt's true!
16:42.25jensonty Dan, the headteacher just read that lol
16:42.34dpashdank_work: only if you don't wear asbestos pants
16:42.39dank_workTheir keyboards aren't as nice as separate keyboard units (normally)
16:42.47jensontrue
16:42.54jensonBut I could then bring it to gllug
16:42.54dank_workWell - there were a couple of articles in The Register
16:43.01dank_workSo?
16:43.05dank_workAnd get it stolen in London. Good idea, there.
16:43.12jensonKnowing me yeah
16:43.18dank_workIt happened to formi
16:43.38dank_workAnd for you, it seems that having a good keyboard is really quite important.
16:43.46jensonlol and formi is tall and cute
16:43.49dank_workOi
16:44.03dank_workdpash: Have I missed out on a fashion trend again
16:44.04dank_work?
16:44.48jensonBetter ask my mother what else she wants installed
16:45.09dank_workWhy don't you ask her?
16:45.13dpashdank_work: yeah. a bloody good one too. Just don't sniff them
16:45.26dank_work:)
16:45.32dank_workIt's okay. I'm not into sniffing my crotch
16:45.41jensonWTF
16:45.49dank_workWhat?
16:45.57jensonYou are mad honey
16:46.24dank_workWhy?
16:46.24dank_workYou think I should be into sniffing it?
16:46.25dank_workI'm not that flexible, anyway
16:46.33jensonhehehehe
16:47.40jensonBRB
16:49.16jensonback
16:49.20dank_workwb
16:49.22jensonzimm is gonna be here in a minute
16:49.24jensonty
16:49.28dank_workOh how nice.
16:49.40jensonlol
16:49.45jensonWell I was just telling you
16:50.00dank_workThanks for being our early warning system
16:50.05jenson:)
16:50.06jensonyw
16:50.39dank_workSo how many minutes and seconds until he comes?
16:50.44jensonAbout 3 mins
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16:57.50jensonheya
16:57.56zimmhey jenson
16:58.00zimmhey dank_work
16:58.10dank_workyo
16:58.23jensonGroup hug????
16:58.35Tarragonjenson: you were four minutes slow
16:58.53jenson:) Tarragon I'm sorry, I was quoting zimm
16:59.06zimmwtf ?
16:59.27dank_workjenson: No
16:59.28TarragonWe needed the extra time to hide the evidence from him.
16:59.45dank_work:)
16:59.54jensonlol
17:00.01jensonpersonally i dont have anything to hide
17:00.38zimm:)
17:00.56dank_workjenson: You're too small
17:01.02jensonWell, I try
17:01.58dank_workYou succeed very well in being small.
17:02.08jensonI do yeah
17:02.21jensonI wont say the same about you
17:02.26jensonit would sound bad and isnt true
17:02.39dank_workNo. I'm a fat bastard.
17:02.47jenson:) my fat bastard
17:02.58dank_workTrue. Your fat bastard.
17:03.30dank_work:-(
17:03.52zimm:)
17:04.10jensonlol
17:16.08dank_workNo. It's bad for you.
17:16.25jensonI know
17:16.28jensonits bad for you too
17:16.34dank_workyeah, but it doesn't matter
17:16.46jensonawww
17:16.47jensonit does
17:16.49jensoncoz iu love you
17:17.09dank_workAww :)
17:17.22dank_workBut I'll be okay.
17:17.30dank_workIt doesn't make me go mad.
17:17.41jensonOr me
17:17.48dank_workYes it does
17:17.57jensonwell maybe a little
17:18.03dank_workExactly
17:18.07jensonDidn't I hit on thw whole channel last time
17:18.13dank_workProbaly
17:18.26dank_workAnd then you're surprised people complain about off-topicness
17:18.59jensonQWell it aint been so bad lately coz\ I've taken up my own channel in the evening
17:19.08dank_workTrue...
17:27.32dpashsomehow paint has spilt over all my bosses bikes
17:27.45dpashincluding his childrens and his wifes
17:28.09dpashboss is currently trying to wash all the paint off
17:28.37dpashatmosphere is "interesting"
17:30.28jensonclever....
17:31.03dpashI didn't do it
17:31.11dpashyou can't prove anything
17:31.12dank_workHeh
17:31.28dpashI wasn't there, honestly
17:54.02murble<PROTECTED>
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18:02.16stephendank_work: got that 13w3, i'll bring it on Saturday
18:02.40dank_workCool, thanks :)
18:02.52stephennp
18:03.12dank_workI'll probably be about the only guy with a girl around him, so should be rather obvious
18:07.36stephendon't worry, we have met
18:07.45dank_workWe have?
18:08.03zimmlol
18:08.08stephenyep, at the last OxLUG meeting
18:08.33stephenoh, evening zimm
18:08.36dank_workErr...okay :)
18:08.56zacharydank_work: My wife is comming so, not entirely true. This big differance, wedding ring!
18:09.04HuhnVIDEObye
18:09.16dank_workzachary: Eh?
18:09.22stephennot sure we actually spoke, but I certainly know who to look for
18:09.26dank_work:)
18:09.32zimmstephen: yo
18:11.17dank_workBye people
18:11.35stephenbye
18:11.46zimmlaters dank_work
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18:19.17dpashanyone used a Sony Ericson T68i?
18:19.32dpashand/or a Nokia 8310?
18:19.50zimmme has a t28s .. sorry :(
18:19.58dpashbugger
18:20.07dpashgetting a new phone at work
18:20.23dpashI did want a 8310, but appernetly they are a bit unreliable
18:20.31eye69dpash: My 6310 is nice.
18:20.39eye69Bluetooth, Wap, GPRS...
18:20.52dpashchuncky as fuck
18:20.55eye69Good battery time
18:21.20eye69It is small enough.
18:21.57dpashit is a brick compared
18:22.02dpash115g vs 84g
18:22.32eye69In return you're getting something that doesn't break apart, and where you don't need a needle to use the keypad
18:22.58zimmfiddly small keypads PISS me OFF
18:23.00eye69I had a 8210 for a while. Plastic crap with a fiddley keypad.
18:23.19dpashI don't have a problem with it
18:23.56eye69I had loads of problems with it. Display broke, the phone was like rubber...not sturdy at all
18:24.07zimmmy T28s sux
18:24.20zimmbeen replaced by ericsson 3 times
18:24.24eye69zimm: The infamous fliplid
18:24.28zimmyeh
18:24.40zimmmic is dead now , have to use the handsfree
18:25.22zimmbut i get to lpay teris , which is nice
18:25.25zimmerr
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18:25.31zimmdamn library keyboards
18:25.40zimmbut i get to play tetris , which is nice
18:25.42zimms'better
18:25.49eye69Mine does flipper
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18:26.22Jensonj #morcanna
18:26.23eye69What are you wondering about?
18:26.24Jensonoopsk
18:26.48Jensondpash: Why?
18:26.54zimmJenson:  siemens /
18:26.56zimm?
18:26.56eye69dpash: I've run both a 8310 and t68i with gnokii...worked fine
18:26.57dpashwhat make is it?
18:27.10dpashgnokii?
18:27.17JensonSeimens M35i
18:27.17dpashis that a sync prog?
18:27.26eye69dpash: More like backup
18:27.35dpashJenson: bah
18:27.37eye69Haven't looked at any real sync progs
18:27.51dpasheye69: so what did you think to both?
18:28.13eye69Backup of phonebook worked. Didn't really need anything more than that.
18:28.24dpashwere they not yours then?
18:28.35eye69No, they were a collegues.
18:28.50eye69I much prefer the menus in a Nokia.
18:29.09dpashI do too, but I'VE NOT TRIED A SONY
18:29.15dpashsorry
18:29.36JensonWell I like them, but everyone seems to have got them, so I dont want one
18:29.51zimmJenson:  exactly
18:30.06Jensondpash: You can do that in the Xconfig
18:30.17dpashJenson: what about console?
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18:30.41Jensondunno
18:30.53Jensondpash: I'm a newbie
18:30.56Jensonhi formi
18:31.40eye69dpash: Shouldn't be more than slightly changing the keymap
18:32.06dpasheye69: yeah. but capslock might be slightly different as it is a toggle
18:35.35Jensonhttp://ibot.rikers.org/gllug
18:37.18dpashis there a channel page?
18:37.33dpashI can;t wait until Saturday to see what people look like
18:37.38zimmlol
18:37.38Jensonthat is the pagr for this channel
18:37.49Jensondpash: You mean you havent seen photos - esp of me lol
18:37.54dpashnope
18:38.16dpashI've seen those that caught the 1257 to brussels
18:38.30dpashs.5.2
18:38.30Jensondpash: oooh you've met my boy/f
18:38.37dpashJenson: yes
18:38.39Jenson:)
18:38.51Jensonanyway http://www.face-pic.com/jenson
18:39.03Jensonand http://www.btinternet.com/~lita16/personal.htm
18:39.38dpashnothing rude is there?
18:39.43dpashthere are children present
18:39.52Jensonnope
18:39.55Jensonnothing rude
18:40.17dpashreasonably decent taste in music
18:40.30dpashshame about the TV progs ;)
18:41.35Jensonoh there is http://www.faceparty.com/jensonuk
18:41.39JensonBut that is simalar
18:41.53Jensonerm
18:41.54Jensoncokker
18:41.57Jensondoh
18:41.59Jensoncooker
18:42.19formihello
18:42.26dpashJenson: what to think to buffy clyro, hell is for heroes etc
18:43.43formiwhat is the name of that util you use to remove ^M from files?
18:43.50dpashformi: vim
18:43.54dpashor dos2unix
18:43.56eye69formi: fromdos, dos2unix
18:44.06eye69sed
18:44.11dpashperl
18:44.21dpashtr?
18:44.30Jensondpash: If I told you that BSB seems to be on right now....what would you say lol
18:44.53eye69Hire some poor sod to remove them manually
18:44.54dpasher
18:45.15Jenson:)
18:45.51JensonBackstreet Boys
18:46.14Jensonlol
18:46.32JensonAdema are on here too though
18:47.18dpashnot heard of them
18:47.41Jensondoh you should have
18:47.42zimmAdema rock
18:47.58zimmwell , the pne track that  have does
18:48.05dpashs/karrang/kerrang/
18:48.40dpashJenson: bring a CD on Saturday
18:48.47Jensonzimm: 'The Way You Like It' is the best
18:48.50Jensonok then
18:49.13Jensonzimm: You want me to burn you a copy of the Ademea tracks I've got aswell as the HedPE album
18:49.17zimm::)))
18:49.32dpashJenson: interpol? flaming lips? ben kweller?
18:49.40JensonAnd you know what I'm like
18:49.50Jensondpash: I kinda never got away from mainstream music
18:49.57JensonI'm just addicted to depression
18:50.22dpashJenson: I'll bring some alternative indie then
18:51.19zimmdpash: you got any stone roses ?
18:51.26dpashzimm: only on mp3
18:51.45zimmhmm , my "stone roses" album is scratched to fook , id love to get a new copy .
18:53.20dpashJenson: there is no way to explain britney
18:53.28JensonIt's like one of the songs I got addicted to when I split up with my first boy/f
18:53.40dpashNext you'll be telling us you're listin to avril levergne
18:53.58zimmlol
18:54.00zimmbbiab ..
18:54.04zimmlaters people
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18:54.09Jensonlol I have 1 Avril track
18:54.19JensonI do
18:54.22JensonI like everything
18:54.49Jensonlol
18:54.58dpashcrap canadian with oh so perfect hair
18:55.01JensonShe's a bit fscking stupid
18:55.25dpashmandy moore for the skate punkers
18:55.34Jensonlol
18:55.51dpashdo have a read of her website
18:55.53dpashit is a hoot
18:56.00JensonI think I have on one occasion
18:56.07JensonI know an 8 year old who loves her lol
18:58.48dpashhmmm Jennifer Love Hewitt
18:58.56dpashhttp://ubl.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,1688786,00.html?src=search&artist=Avril+Lavigne
18:59.27dpashAnything but ordinary. That's putting it mildly when describing Avril Lavigne. A skater-punk, a dynamic spirit, a true wild child.
18:59.50dpash<PROTECTED>
19:00.01dpashAvril does exactly that on her debut CD, Let Go, flaunting sassy vocals, a crystal clear voice with real-girl lyrical style.
19:00.07dpashI think I've said enough
19:00.26dpashLOL
19:00.30dpashsorry
19:00.34dpash"but tracks like "Losing Grip" and "Unwanted" courageously confront rejection and betrayal with all the heaviness such subjects demand."
19:00.45Jensonlol
19:00.50dpashwho wrote this drivel
19:01.02JensonAnyway
19:01.13JensonI'm gonna go and let my dad sue Windows to write a latter
19:01.17Jensonletter
19:01.19dpashshocking stuff
19:01.24Jensoncoz I wanna be here to chat to zimm
19:01.32Jensonso I'll catch you at 8 when he should be back
19:01.34JensonSee ya
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19:02.12dpashif anyone wants to read the rest: http://www.avril-lavigne.com/indexframes.html
19:02.19dpashbbl
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19:06.09omphehey guys.
19:13.21formidebianers!!
19:13.43formiwhere in the ftp servers are the floppy images?
19:14.32eye69formi: debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf24
19:16.23ompheI thought formi had created a new geek curse:
19:16.35ompheWhere in the ftp are my keys?
19:17.15formisparc ones i need
19:17.55eye69formi: Kinda obvious which part needs changing then...
19:19.59formisorry i was on non-us
19:20.20formidon't start partying though
19:20.29formiim not installing debian
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19:49.33gj_re
19:50.52dpashargh apache2 is not execing cgi scripts
19:51.02dpashhi paul
19:51.06dpashany ideas?
19:51.23cupishey dpash
19:51.35cupisdpash: none at all, or only some?
19:51.47dpasher hold on
19:52.10dpashall
19:52.18dpashit is showing the source, but executing them
19:52.36dpashgrrr
19:53.24cupisdpash: you need to enable cgi's using the funky symlinks things in /etc/apache2/mods-*
19:54.17cupisdpash: /usr/sbin/a2(en|dis)mod
19:55.41dpashcupis: tried that
19:56.39cupisdpash: have you manually checked that the links are in the right mod directories (under /etc/apache2) ?
19:56.55dpashhold on
19:57.04dpashw00t
19:57.06dpashthat worked
19:57.18cupisdpash: what did you do?
19:57.28dpasha2enmod worked
19:57.54cupisdpash: cool
19:58.22dpashcupis: fancy doing an upload for me?
19:58.29cupisdpash: of?
19:58.34dpashirssi-snapshot
19:58.45dpashactually I should test it first
19:58.55cupisI can have a look at it tonight sometime probably.
19:59.30dpashcool
20:00.52cupisdpash: do you know how to import a kde2 .kab file into kaddressbook 3? Or what the default location should be for the old file?
20:01.02dpashno idea
20:01.07cupisdpash: okay nm
20:02.07dpashI have a cunning plan
20:02.23cupisdpash: about what?
20:02.55cupisouch.
20:02.58cupisAh.
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20:03.22dpashhi zimm
20:03.27zimmhey dpash
20:03.33dpashJenson is looking for you
20:03.38zimmis she ?
20:03.39dpashshe should be here soon
20:03.43zimmwhere is she then ?
20:03.45zimmahah
20:03.47dpash[19:01] < Jenson> coz I wanna be here to chat to zimm
20:03.47dpash[19:01] < Jenson> so I'll catch you at 8 when he should be back
20:04.29zimmhehe , yeh im sharing a login on a library comp at the mo , cos ive been kicked out , and i dont have internet at home ,, its a bit of a pain in the ass tbh
20:05.01cupiszimm: when?
20:05.07zimmi could have soo much fun in here with knoppix
20:05.41zimmcupis: please , dont give me a knoppix disc , they really WILL throw me out if i get hold of one lol
20:05.51zimmlol
20:07.11dpashdoes it have wine on?
20:07.26cupisdpash: probably not
20:07.33dpashPOS
20:09.41gj_anybody has to deal with /etc/pcmcia/config ?
20:11.11cupisdpash: knoppix _does_ include wine
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20:11.25cupisii  wine                     0.0.20021219-1           Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)
20:11.27cupishi Jenson
20:11.33Jensonhey cupis
20:11.42zimmheya Jenson
20:11.53cupisdpash: did you know that madkiss made DD?
20:12.12Jensonhiya zimm
20:12.21zimm:)
20:12.24Jensondpash: I'm listening to Jack Off Jill now
20:13.57zimmlol
20:14.08dpashcupis: yep he told me earlier today
20:14.35dpashJenson: nope don't know that one either
20:14.50Jensondpash: Goth band
20:14.55Jensonwww.jackoffjill.com
20:14.56dpashor goth
20:15.51JensonThis is good actually
20:15.58JensonI might have to bring it to the fest
20:16.02dpashyep
20:16.09JensonIs anyone actually gonna have speakers though?
20:16.16dpashI'm always open to new music
20:16.29dpashas long as it isn;t pop crap
20:16.39dpashJenson: I'll bring my CD player
20:16.48dpashJenson: I'll need it for the train
20:17.07JensonYeah I expect I'll have my discman to
20:17.10JensonBut not my speakers
20:17.14dpashcupis: Madkiss offered to sponser the packages he gave to me
20:17.37cupisdpash: you didn't take him up on it, though?
20:17.55JensonMine are PC speakers.I use them when I connect my discman to the mains and use it as a cd player
20:18.08dpashcupis: no, kinda scares me doing that
20:18.16cupisdpash: why?
20:18.31JensonAnd right now I've got them plugged in the CDROM drive so I dont have to configure the soundcard
20:18.32dpashcupis: let me change it beyond all regognision first
20:18.41cupisdpash: heh
20:18.42dpashJenson: cheat
20:18.49Jensondpash: Yeah I know
20:23.53zacharybrb
20:29.33ompheFound this on a motherboard support page:
20:29.48ompheA plain boot disk will not be good enogh. If you do not have Windows ME or 98 to create the floppy you can make one on a friend's computer.
20:30.24ompheDon't remember that in the EULA?
20:30.35dpashomphe: what if you don't have a friend with a win98 machine?
20:31.33ompheI arrived at this page by clicking the "Flashing the BIOS for Users using NON FAT file system" link.
20:32.02JensonI have a Win98 machine
20:32.05Jensonthis one
20:32.12ompheHey, it's a spirit of sharing with M$, I like it.
20:32.36ompheI thought you did an install Jenson?
20:33.14Jensonomphe: Its a Win98SE/Slack dual boot
20:33.59ompheYeah, I've got a dual boot as well but I only use the M$ partition to store those nasty *.doc files.
20:34.05omphe:)
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20:34.59Jensonomphe: I have parents, and my dad won't use Linux
20:35.09Jensonand my mother ewill only use it to play KFoulEggs
20:35.14zimmhehe
20:35.35ompheLook, tell your dad that if he doesn't come around...
20:35.45omphehe'll have to find his own place!
20:36.21zimmrofl
20:36.35Jensonlol
20:36.45omphe<PROTECTED>
20:37.38ompheSorry, I left home at 17, so I forget what it's like to have parents around.
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20:38.42dpash-snapshotdon't mind me, just testing out irssi-snapshot for debian
20:38.43Jensonomphe: Yeah, I'd be out of here if I could
20:39.40Jenson:) dpash
20:39.40dpashbut I did leave for 3 years to go to uni
20:39.56dpashbut I do work across the road form my parents
20:40.06dpashI don't fancy the commute
20:40.35dpash-snapshotI'd forgotten what a default irssi looks like
20:41.09dpash-snapshotI think this works
20:41.22zimmhehe
20:41.49dpashhmmm you didn't get eh quit msg
20:42.24Jensoneye69: Where are they, and where are you?
20:43.36Jensondpash: lucky you, they'll calk in at any moment
20:43.42Jensons/calk/walk
20:44.11dpashJenson: not really. I'm at work
20:44.27Jensondpash: You work late shift?
20:44.31eye69omphe: Is it contageous?
20:44.40eye69(don't know the spelling of it)
20:44.52dpashJenson: no, but I have my computer at work, because we have a fat pipe here
20:45.10ompheeye69: hoping a bios flash will sort it out.
20:45.16JensonSo you could be at home dpash.....
20:45.19eye69omphe: Good luck
20:45.33dpashJenson: yes, but then you wouldn;t be talking to me ;)
20:45.46eye69omphe: I fried my last fileserver board as a result of choosing the right mobo model but the wrong revision
20:46.01Jensondpash: Me too Ive just given up trying
20:46.31dpashJenson: I wouldn't mind if I just forgot to press it, but I keep typing ; instead
20:46.40ompheFound this thing behind PizzaSlut so there's little to lose.
20:46.54Jensondpash: Yeah I had that problem
20:47.26dpashhmmm mozerella based bondage
20:47.30zimmlaters
20:47.32eye69zimm: Bye
20:47.35dpashnight zimm
20:47.37zimmbyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:47.37Jensoncya zimm
20:59.10omphegotta go, mouths to feed. cya later.
21:06.40resuDaedevening all
21:07.44Jensonheya resuDaed
21:07.49resuDaedhey Jenson
21:08.02JensonHow's beth, is she better?
21:08.22resuDaedyeah, much better ... shes also been accepted at every uni she's applied for
21:08.50Jensonooooh well done
21:08.57Jensontell her i said well done
21:09.07resuDaedI will
21:09.11Jensoncheers
21:09.21dpashgrrrr
21:09.42dpashresuDaed: not even a GCSE?
21:09.49resuDaedwell 5 or 6 of them
21:09.59dpashso you do have some then
21:10.00resuDaednot enough for a uni to give a hit though
21:10.15resuDaeds/hit/shit ;)
21:10.38JensonI have 10 GCSES and one AS Level
21:10.51dpashJenson: more than enough for Luton
21:10.57Jenson:)
21:11.03resuDaedwill luton take me on gcses then?
21:11.17resuDaed(even if I lie about one)
21:11.24dpashresuDaed: don't think so, but not far from it
21:11.46dpashKDE rocks my world
21:12.22resuDaedblackbox rules mine
21:12.52dpashstuff like opening a pdf in konq will display it in the same window
21:12.59JensonI use KDE
21:13.06dpashsimple stuff, but it still amazes me
21:13.16Jenson:)
21:13.20resuDaedI say the same foir bbkeys
21:13.27Jensondpash: How long you been using Linux?
21:13.36dpashsince 97/8
21:13.55JensonAnd you're still amazed at KDE
21:14.06dpashJenson: I remember when nothing worked
21:14.32dpashJenson: when I started using linux, you have to recompile your kernel to change sound card irqs
21:14.38JensonI've been using it since last Novemeber, but only properly for about 2 weeks
21:14.39murbleare their any grub experts here?
21:14.55Jensondpash: Dont mention soundcards :D
21:15.09murbleok, how do i make it typout on slecting between vga console and serial console?
21:15.11dpashJenson: who needs sound cards when you have cdroms
21:15.15murbles/type/time/
21:15.33resuDaedI need even 1 (full) a-level for a luton HND
21:15.42murbledon't do an HND
21:15.42dpashmurble: you want it to ask on vga and then automatically go to serial?
21:16.07resuDaedmurble : I am going to be doing an MSc with open uni (current plans)
21:16.33murbleresuDaed: don't you need a first degree umm first?
21:16.56dpashmurble: most MSc first degrees are 4 years or equiv
21:17.00resuDaednope ... beauty of open uni ... jump in where you want
21:17.28dpashmurble: ie a 3yr BSc + 1yr MSc, but only one qualification
21:17.36resuDaedbut I'd settle for a BSc at a real uni if they'd accept me
21:17.37dpashresuDaed: you need to start at the beginning
21:17.46dpashresuDaed: do some alevels
21:17.57dpashor work in a job for a few years
21:18.08murbledpash: do they give an option to bail after 3 years?
21:18.12dpashresuDaed: most uni's are reasonable
21:18.17dpashmurble: I would hope so
21:18.21murblesorry i mean 3 * 1 year cats points.
21:18.28resuDaeddpash : by the time I have done a-levels I'll be 21 and broke, once I am 21 I could do an access course ... but then I do nothing for the next 2 years
21:18.54dpashmurble: probably
21:19.06dpashmurble: grub
21:19.24dpashmurble: /msg?
21:19.34murbledpash: I think i've figured it out.
21:19.53resuDaeddpash : I started a-levels (twice), couldn't finish due to the lack of money
21:19.55dpashthe info pages are reasonable (apt-get install grub-doc)
21:20.07murbledpash: I'm reading them.
21:20.09resuDaedwith uni, I can get a loan and work only to keep my head above water
21:20.18murbleOnly, I can't test it very easily.
21:20.23JensonI started A levels too.....couldnt finish coz of panic attacks
21:20.30dpashresuDaed: I am working and doing OU part time
21:20.38dpashmurble: I expect not
21:20.42murbleI started A levels and after 2 years ended up with very rubish ones.
21:20.51resuDaedthat was what I was going to do, except I cannot find work that will pay enough for both
21:21.18dpashresuDaed: my first OU module is 425UKP
21:21.28resuDaedI started a-levels at one of the best 6th form colleges in the county, after 6 months (when I left) was predicted 4 As
21:21.32dpashand you can spreed that over the tiem of the course
21:21.47dpashmost of my a-levels were useless
21:22.00resuDaeddpash : I am earning that in a month
21:22.07dpashs/general studies/trivial persuits/
21:22.11JensonI started 4 A levels, then dropped one, then managed to complete on AS level
21:22.25JensonAlthough I've done my work for 3 AS levels
21:22.29murblehow does the new UCAS scoring thing work?
21:22.35Jensonmurble: Weird
21:22.36dpashphysics is useless
21:23.09dpashmy degree didn;t require my information systems a-level
21:23.24dpashwhich only leaves my maths a-level which is the only one I really use
21:23.32JensonA=120 B=100 C=80 D=60 E=40 I think
21:23.36JensonI got forced off of maths
21:23.49JensonI got like 8 out of 100 in the P1 exam lol
21:23.53dpashJenson: AIUI the exams are not very expensive
21:24.06JensonMy school re-entered me for them
21:24.10murbledpash: like 30 quid each.
21:24.12JensonBut I couldnt deal with the stress
21:24.19JensonI was gonna take them
21:24.22Jensonbut I'm so fucked up
21:24.43resuDaedJenson s/fucked/fscked
21:24.52Jenson:) resuDaed
21:25.27Jensondpash: Try scandisked lol
21:26.03JensonI dont think its meant to be said out loud
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21:27.03resuDaedJenson : thats why microsoft use the term 'scandisk' ... so you can pronounce it everytime you reboot after it freezing
21:27.13dpashmurble: looks like it
21:28.12JensonresuDaed: True, except I turned that off on mine.is under advanced user settings somewhere
21:28.18resuDaedI must say, although we do take the piss out of M$ a lot in here (and rightly so), they shoiuld be congratulated on the quality of their manuals as mouse mats
21:28.41Jenson:)
21:28.53JensonI have an SMC Pnuematics mousemat
21:29.02JensonI think my dad got it free on a course
21:29.07resuDaedall linux books I have a approx 3" thick plus and you jave no wrist support, windows manuals tend to be in the region of 5mm
21:29.19resuDaeds/jave/have
21:29.20JensonI have a pog game mat too, that makes a good little mat
21:30.18dpashso is my mouse mat *boom* *boom*
21:30.31resuDaedlol
21:30.43resuDaedibot lart dpashs sense of humour
21:32.17resuDaedusefu though
21:33.39resuDaedalmost as usful as /dev/null
21:33.58resuDaedand that is twice in two posts that I couldn't spell the same word
21:35.03resuDaedI really must go now, laters all
21:35.15Jensoncya resuDaed
21:35.21resuDaedlaters Jenson
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21:46.19murblere Jenson
21:46.41Jensonty
21:50.26Jensonewww yuk dust!
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21:54.22Jensonhi
21:54.34new2unix_allo Jenson. Hello all
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22:02.49new2unix_hello danny boy.
22:03.11dankolbHello
22:10.16dankolbHow's it going?
22:13.29new2unix_dan: am cool. how's you?
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22:15.44JensonBack again
22:16.01dpashhi
22:16.10new2unix_hi dpash
22:16.13Jensonheya dpash
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22:18.50Jensonwb omphe
22:19.47dankolbYou scared him off
22:19.52JensonEvidently
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22:22.02Jensonhi cupis
22:22.42cupishi Jenson
22:22.44dankolbWhee. It's the late-night crowd.
22:22.46cupishow's it going?
22:22.49new2unix_hi cupis
22:22.56cupishi new, dan
22:23.19dpashhello flo^H^H^Hcupis
22:23.53cupishi drunkard^Wdpash
22:24.09dpashI haven;t touched a drop (yet)
22:24.47cupisdpash: so we've got that to look forward to?
22:24.56cupisdpash: are you coming down to London on Saturday?
22:25.13dpashof course
22:25.30cupisdpash: good stuff.
22:26.00new2unix_me is contemplating going
22:26.15cupisnew2unix_: only contemplating?
22:26.31dankolbOh dear. Lots of bad music around.
22:26.41dpashdankolb: no I have good music
22:26.42new2unix_haha. forgot the slash again
22:26.45dpashno britney here
22:26.55dankolbSpice Girls, then?
22:26.59dankolbHanson
22:27.00dankolb?
22:27.05dpashibot: lart dankolb
22:27.09TarragonAqua is never bad music. OK I now have both Slack and Deb running - Arrrrgggghhh
22:27.14Jensondpash: What am I meant to be burning for you
22:27.14dankolbNo no. Serious questions, dpash
22:27.15dpashibot: lart dankolb again
22:27.24dankolbOr are you going to get those from Jenson?
22:27.24JensonI've burnt one disc for zimm....lost the other one lol
22:27.37cupisTarragon: the inner conflict must be tearing you apart :)
22:27.39dpashJenson: nothing, just bring something to listen to
22:27.44Jensonk cool
22:27.47JensonI can do that
22:28.12dankolbcupis: That's okay - he's veering towards the right side
22:28.20dankolbGetting over bad stuff is always painful
22:28.25TarragonNah I thought I had better give Slack a proper try
22:28.30dpashdankolb: I'm hoping to teach Jenson a would outside of the Backstreet boys ;)
22:28.39dpashs/would/world/
22:28.43dankolbLike what, OOI?
22:29.07dpashdankolb: Flaming Lips, Hell is for heroes, Ben Kweller
22:29.22JensonI'm listening to Hanson
22:29.26dpashdeath in vegas
22:29.27dankolbHeh
22:29.59dpashalterative indie. the kinda stuff they used to play on the evening session
22:30.10ompheHanson as in three dopey kids going "ooo, bop, ooo, ooo, ooo, bop"?
22:30.23dpashI'm hoping to be introduced to some goth and nu-metal
22:30.26dankolbomphe: Yeah
22:30.33ompheAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaa!!
22:30.35dpashomphe: no as raving aussie woman
22:30.42dankolbdpash: Or Spice Girls, Hanson and Backstreet Boys
22:31.02Jensoni have some good music
22:31.04dpashcupis: given what dankolb just said, I think I might join you
22:31.04JensonI'll bring it
22:31.16dpashJenson: no pop-crap though
22:31.16Jensondankolb: or Darren Hayes
22:31.17dankolbdpash: Good idea
22:31.26dankolbdpash: Or you could get Blue
22:31.56Jensonomphe: Hanson got a lot better
22:32.04JensonI've lost the fucking Adema CD
22:32.05dpashreally?
22:32.07ompheIt wouldn't be hard.
22:32.14Jensongotta find that and burn it for zimm
22:32.19dpashomphe: couldn;t have got much worst
22:32.34omphedpash: right on!
22:32.37dpashJenson: you are bring it with you on Satuday
22:32.52Jensonbring what?
22:33.02dpashAdema
22:33.05ompheI vote for Rage Against the Machine to exorcise the M$ demons.
22:33.54JensonYeah I'll bring Adema, if I can find it
22:33.57cupis!lart kmail's lack of built-in PGP/MIME support
22:35.27dpashcupis: install cryptplug and you can read it
22:35.50cupisdpash: I can read it in mutt.
22:36.12dpashcupis: I'll be happy when IE can do PGP/MIME
22:36.14omphedpash: It definitely grew on me.
22:36.22cupisdpash: you mean OEx?
22:36.30dpashI think I prefered soundgarden
22:36.35dpashcupis: same thing
22:36.37eye69Why would IE do PGP? :)
22:36.45cupisdpash: Sorry, cryptplug is already the newest version.
22:36.55dpashcupis: you need to tell kmail about it
22:37.17dpashin the options -> security -> plugins
22:37.18cupisdpash: hold
22:37.27dpashadd a plugin and give it the location of the .so
22:37.38dpashyes it is stupid, but never mind
22:37.41cupisdpash: yup, I know the place you mean. Trying it now.
22:39.46new2unix_ermm... any one want to swap an external modem for a 10/100 3com nic? i have 2 spare. any offers?
22:40.15new2unix_i'll chip in a cross over cable or something.
22:40.37Jensonerm nope
22:40.43omphesorry, got a board full of nics sitting in front of me.
22:40.56JensonI'll swap you an internal winmodem lol
22:41.16new2unix_lol. cheers Jenson. i have plenty of those as it is.
22:41.50JensonWell I think it actually works with Linux, I just took it out and put my ext one on before I tested it
22:42.24JensonI've got an old graphics card and some quad CDROM drives.....
22:43.11new2unix_ok. here's the deal. one winmodem, 2 nics and a pint for one external modem? now is that a deal or is that a deal?
22:43.29Jensonlol if i had a spare ext modem yeah
22:43.50new2unix_dan?
22:43.54dankolbWhat?
22:44.21new2unix_not inticed yet? dont you need a spare winmodem? or even a drink?
22:44.53new2unix_Oh well.. i guess i'm stuck with win for a little while longer :(
22:45.05Jensonyou sure it wont work with linux?
22:46.01new2unix_yep. tried it. dont work. but perhaps i didnt try hard enough. patience isnt one of my virtues.
22:46.16dankolbOne of my winmodems is a Lucent chip - I think those work
22:46.29Jensonnew2unix_: I might put mine back in and test it, if it works I'll consider swapping
22:46.37murbleJenson: I have a "supported" winmodem as well.
22:46.50murbleI also have a 56k external modem that may work.
22:47.03murblebut i'm keeping that...
22:47.13JensonAnywau I'm going to bed
22:47.17new2unix_Jenson: ermm... can i review that offer before you do your testing? I'd like to pull out one nic and the pint. still interested?  lol
22:47.33Jensonlol new2unix_, well I hate beer
22:47.56new2unix_nah. was kidding.
22:48.02Jensonlol
22:48.06murbleJenson: we'll have to cure you.
22:48.08dankolbYeah. He's not generous enough to offer a pint :)
22:48.22dankolbmurble: Not necessarily the best idea, actually
22:48.35JensonWell, do tell me if you're still looking for one by about thursday and i'll test it for you, no doubt someone has one though
22:48.35murbledankolb: can you cure human flesh in beer?
22:48.54dankolbNever tried...
22:49.01*** join/#gllug stephen (~stephen@hn-30-37.brookes.ac.uk)
22:49.07Jensonhi stephen
22:49.16ompheevening stephen
22:49.18stephenevening Jenson
22:49.24stephen& omphe
22:49.25dankolbmurble: Should be
22:50.01new2unix_hey. i have no problem buying drinks for those who drink. if i remember correctly... somebody refused a drink i bought them at the last meet. "Once smitten twice shy".
22:50.16dankolbYeah - sash
22:50.20dankolbI ended up drinking it
22:50.27new2unix_dan: you remember?  lol
22:50.50dankolbI do.
22:51.35JensonI probably wont be fdrinking....I dont wanna have to pee on the like 1hr15 train journey home
22:51.49dankolbWhen the trains are so backwards they don't even have toilets
22:52.08Jensondankolb: only the last 30 mins
22:54.05JensonOh well, night gus
22:54.08Jensonguys
22:54.14dankolbnight
22:54.18Jensonnew2unix_: Get back to me if you dont find someone with a modem
22:54.20omphenight
22:54.20new2unix_night
22:55.42*** part/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-0-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
23:19.07ompheg'night all
23:19.13*** part/#gllug omphe (omphe@keiko.demon.co.uk)
23:50.20dankolb'night all
23:58.56dpashgetting very quiet in here

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