| 00:00.59 | new2unix | true. ;) |
| 00:02.01 | stephen | right, I better install the card I bought from Magnus |
| 00:10.46 | eye69 | Evening again |
| 00:11.07 | davilion | evening eye |
| 00:11.20 | eye69 | Hi davilion |
| 00:12.18 | highbury | hey eye69 |
| 00:12.39 | eye69 | Hiya steve |
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| 00:17.53 | marko85_uk | yo yo yo |
| 00:18.00 | marko85_uk | ganster rapper in the house |
| 00:18.37 | eye69 | Uhm...ok... |
| 00:18.46 | marko85_uk | sup nigger |
| 00:20.17 | marko85_uk | davilion u dont know what u are putting urself into nigger |
| 00:20.21 | marko85_uk | how is it going people |
| 00:20.22 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:20.27 | marko85_uk | anyone talking in here |
| 00:20.50 | highbury | marko85_uk: would you mind toning down the language a bit please? |
| 00:21.20 | marko85_uk | i would mind but if i dont have a choice ill be good |
| 00:21.21 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:21.27 | marko85_uk | did anyone go on the linux fest |
| 00:21.33 | eye69 | I did |
| 00:21.42 | marko85_uk | was it good? |
| 00:21.48 | marko85_uk | doesnt sound too technical |
| 00:22.13 | eye69 | It's not supposed to be very technical. It's supposed to give people a firsthand introduction to Linux. |
| 00:22.27 | highbury | today was just the InstallFest, mostly aimed at newbies, and to help people with any particular problems |
| 00:22.35 | highbury | :-) eye69 |
| 00:22.37 | marko85_uk | that was cool |
| 00:22.39 | marko85_uk | i need help with my modem |
| 00:22.47 | marko85_uk | its like taking years now |
| 00:22.49 | eye69 | I didn't do that much besides helping a few people. |
| 00:23.00 | marko85_uk | ill have to wait till uni probably |
| 00:23.12 | eye69 | Give us a bit of information on your problem. |
| 00:23.29 | marko85_uk | problem is really simple |
| 00:23.31 | eye69 | Distribution, modem type and such. |
| 00:23.52 | marko85_uk | intel ham voice data modem |
| 00:24.01 | marko85_uk | i found the driver and everything |
| 00:24.07 | marko85_uk | but i couldnt install it |
| 00:24.22 | eye69 | For ham radio? |
| 00:24.31 | marko85_uk | red hat linux |
| 00:24.41 | marko85_uk | ham radio? i dont get that |
| 00:24.46 | eye69 | Nevermind. |
| 00:24.54 | marko85_uk | i am not sure how to unzip the file i have on the disk |
| 00:25.10 | eye69 | What's the filename? |
| 00:25.29 | highbury | unzip? are you sure you haven't got a Windows driver? |
| 00:25.45 | marko85_uk | ofcourse i am |
| 00:25.45 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:25.55 | marko85_uk | its gir or something |
| 00:25.59 | marko85_uk | giz* |
| 00:26.01 | highbury | you said "Intel >>ham<< voice data modem" |
| 00:26.09 | marko85_uk | that is what it is called |
| 00:26.11 | eye69 | .tar.gz? |
| 00:26.19 | marko85_uk | yes |
| 00:26.21 | marko85_uk | that is the one |
| 00:26.22 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:26.25 | eye69 | 'tar zxvf filename.tar.gz' |
| 00:26.52 | marko85_uk | filename.tar.gz |
| 00:27.57 | marko85_uk | i seems to have lost the disk now |
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| 00:28.58 | eye69 | What version of RH are you running? |
| 00:29.04 | eye69 | 8? |
| 00:29.33 | marko85_uk | much older |
| 00:29.40 | eye69 | How much? |
| 00:30.22 | marko85_uk | 7 |
| 00:30.24 | davilion | knew they would come in handy for something |
| 00:31.50 | eye69 | marko85_uk: Yeah, it looks like you'll have to compile the driver from source. |
| 00:32.09 | marko85_uk | http://www.intel.com/design/modems/support/drivers_linux.htm |
| 00:32.16 | marko85_uk | i found the driver |
| 00:32.19 | eye69 | The earliest binary driver supplied from Intel is for RH 7.3 |
| 00:32.44 | eye69 | Do you have the modem model number handy? |
| 00:33.10 | marko85_uk | well i dont but i can look up in the device manager |
| 00:33.16 | marko85_uk | what kind of number am i looking for |
| 00:33.30 | marko85_uk | i got hardware version 002 |
| 00:34.15 | marko85_uk | its probably v92 |
| 00:34.48 | marko85_uk | Linux drivers and sample compiled binary for Red Hat 7.3 for MD5628-L-B chip |
| 00:34.53 | dank_work | Hum |
| 00:35.07 | marko85_uk | i think this is the driver but it doesnt work on 7 does it |
| 00:35.13 | marko85_uk | i need linux upgrade |
| 00:35.36 | highbury | 7.0 is pretty old now |
| 00:35.59 | marko85_uk | do u think if i install red hat 8 it should assign the driver |
| 00:36.01 | marko85_uk | straight away? |
| 00:36.09 | eye69 | Probably not. |
| 00:36.27 | eye69 | The modem is a "winmodem", so it needs special drivers. |
| 00:36.28 | dank_work | eye69: I'm really sorry for not being in the pub |
| 00:36.42 | marko85_uk | i know |
| 00:36.45 | eye69 | dank_work: No problem, mate. |
| 00:36.48 | davilion | i think 7 is fairly compatible with .2 and .3 |
| 00:36.58 | davilion | unless you have .0 in which case its a pile of poo |
| 00:37.08 | marko85_uk | i do have 7 |
| 00:37.15 | marko85_uk | i got a disk and it is saying |
| 00:37.18 | marko85_uk | red hat linux 7 |
| 00:38.02 | eye69 | davilion: It probably wont work, since it's a module (probably is, anyway) |
| 00:38.28 | davilion | yeah if its got a kernel module pre built it definatly wont work since i think they all had very different kernels |
| 00:38.29 | murble | hello |
| 00:38.32 | davilion | each with tehir own major bug |
| 00:38.33 | murble | hi davilion |
| 00:38.38 | davilion | hi murble |
| 00:39.11 | davilion | hi dank_work |
| 00:39.15 | marko85_uk | guys i know this is probably not a very nice thing to ask |
| 00:39.29 | highbury | .. |
| 00:39.38 | marko85_uk | but is there any chance one of you could send me better version of red hat? |
| 00:39.58 | marko85_uk | is on 56k |
| 00:40.01 | eye69 | I don't have it downloaded. |
| 00:40.10 | eye69 | Not using redhat. |
| 00:40.30 | dank_work | Bah :-P |
| 00:40.36 | marko85_uk | i am prepared to swap it for |
| 00:40.50 | marko85_uk | live suse 7.3 disk |
| 00:40.53 | highbury | what you got to offer :-) |
| 00:41.01 | marko85_uk | where u can run it from any pc without instaling it |
| 00:41.02 | highbury | LOL |
| 00:41.08 | eye69 | Haha. |
| 00:41.10 | marko85_uk | hehe that is a good offer |
| 00:41.19 | davilion | dank_work: how was your day? |
| 00:41.45 | davilion | that good eh? |
| 00:42.11 | marko85_uk | ok ill swap it for slackware 7.1 |
| 00:42.11 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:42.19 | marko85_uk | anyoneeee pleaseeee |
| 00:42.21 | dank_work | It could have been worse. Just about. |
| 00:42.47 | eye69 | I don't have any recent distros downloaded, since I never install from CD anyway. |
| 00:42.58 | marko85_uk | does anyone |
| 00:43.05 | marko85_uk | have any distro |
| 00:43.20 | marko85_uk | can one help me out |
| 00:43.22 | marko85_uk | #redhat unable to join channel (address is banned) |
| 00:43.33 | stephen | marko85_uk: i suppose it's still on the ftp site, download it and burn it if you can't get it from anywhere else |
| 00:43.35 | highbury | we handed out looooads of SuSE Cd's, there was mix-up, they were supposed to send us old SuSE 8.0 boxed sets, but accidently sent us the latest 8.1 :-) |
| 00:43.39 | marko85_uk | i think my isp is banned from entering this channel |
| 00:43.54 | marko85_uk | highbury who is we :)) |
| 00:44.02 | marko85_uk | would we happen to have an e-mail address? |
| 00:44.08 | highbury | GLLUG meeting |
| 00:44.32 | marko85_uk | what are the chances that marko85_uk could accidently get one of those? |
| 00:44.32 | dank_work | davilion: It was good to meet you finally :) |
| 00:45.18 | stephen | don't matter, I don't have anywhere to install it |
| 00:45.46 | highbury | marko85_uk: your too late, and you didn't turn up |
| 00:45.51 | eye69 | davilion: Were you there? I missed you again. |
| 00:46.07 | marko85_uk | highbury i cant turn up |
| 00:46.23 | marko85_uk | i live a long way from london |
| 00:46.30 | marko85_uk | only 17 and cant drive |
| 00:46.35 | dank_work | Train? |
| 00:47.01 | highbury | We had people who travelled down from Manchester! |
| 00:47.11 | marko85_uk | must take mate with him coz his parents wouldnt let him go on his own |
| 00:47.42 | marko85_uk | just lets say i couldnt make it |
| 00:47.55 | highbury | s'okay |
| 00:48.25 | marko85_uk | i thought suse 8.3 is the newest one* |
| 00:48.31 | highbury | can you download faster at School? |
| 00:48.38 | marko85_uk | i can |
| 00:48.38 | davilion | dank_work: dare i ask what happened? |
| 00:48.41 | highbury | SuSE 8.1 is the current one |
| 00:48.52 | highbury | SuSE 8.2 is currently in beta |
| 00:49.05 | davilion | dank_work: yeah it was good to meet you too. |
| 00:49.05 | marko85_uk | good idea |
| 00:49.11 | marko85_uk | but how do i download it |
| 00:49.19 | davilion | eye69: yeah, dan pointed you out, but i didnt stay long, i had intended too then got sidetracked |
| 00:49.52 | highbury | You'll have to download RedHat or Mandrake and burn them |
| 00:50.10 | highbury | SuSE don't provide .iso images, as a matter of policy |
| 00:50.41 | marko85_uk | dont any of u have any copies of anything |
| 00:50.43 | stephen | so that's why nobody runs SuSE |
| 00:50.51 | eye69 | Oh, so I got pointed out, did I? |
| 00:50.51 | marko85_uk | i would pay for it about 5 pounds |
| 00:50.53 | highbury | they both come on 3 CD's. Knoppix at least fits on one |
| 00:50.55 | eye69 | :) |
| 00:51.32 | dank_work | davilion: You dare - do you have me on a /query window? |
| 00:51.47 | davilion | no idea, |
| 00:52.46 | highbury | anyway good night guys, gotta pick up at Heathrow early tomorrow |
| 00:52.57 | dank_work | 'night highbury |
| 00:53.13 | eye69 | Night highbury |
| 01:01.52 | murble | and why he is at work. |
| 01:01.56 | dank_work | Two boxes |
| 01:01.58 | dank_work | One for OxLUG |
| 01:02.10 | dank_work | I'm at work because I didn't want to load up XChat |
| 01:02.18 | dank_work | Only wanted to pop on quickly to see who was there |
| 01:02.29 | murble | or here. |
| 01:02.44 | murble | well, I made it back to Wycombe... |
| 01:02.51 | dank_work | :) |
| 01:03.05 | dank_work | That's good |
| 01:03.11 | murble | I don't know if 'll be at OxLUG tmorrow yet. |
| 01:03.22 | dank_work | I will be |
| 01:03.53 | davilion | i should be it depends on laila |
| 01:04.42 | dank_work | Laila? |
| 01:04.54 | davilion | yeah a really good friend of mine i keep losing contact with |
| 01:04.57 | davilion | its really funny |
| 01:05.06 | davilion | we used to live in scotland, reasonably close to each other |
| 01:05.25 | dank_work | Bring friends! |
| 01:05.42 | davilion | then she left home and changed her phone and i moved and a few months ago she found me on the net and it turns out she lives not far from me, and anyway we kept missing each other |
| 01:05.46 | murble | oh and now you are both refugees down south? |
| 01:06.01 | stephen | i have a feeling that I shan't be at OxLUG tomorrow, too much work probably |
| 01:06.09 | dank_work | Work? Bah. |
| 01:06.56 | stephen | yeah, pascal programming *yawn* |
| 01:07.01 | murble | stephen: but you're a student? |
| 01:07.15 | stephen | (couse)work |
| 01:07.15 | davilion | murble: yeah, she trains horses for racing and showjumping, she's got a fabulous place this side of worcester |
| 01:08.19 | davilion | i was supposed to meet her today, i sent her a message to say hi, this morning cos we hadnt spoken for a few days and just as i got the car to pick up my laptop she was like oh yedah im on the m25 and i was like i'll be right there, but she had to leave before i got ther :( |
| 01:16.22 | dank_work | Well, g'night all |
| 01:17.03 | stephen | night dank_work |
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| 05:24.04 | OrangeSkies | anyone up? |
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| 10:55.11 | beth_ | msg/ Clyphox|party u there dav? |
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| 11:30.31 | formi | morning |
| 11:30.35 | Davilion | hi |
| 11:30.54 | Jenson | Morning guys |
| 11:31.20 | formi | i have a quick question before i go to have breakfast |
| 11:31.52 | formi | mr murble kindly donated a ethernet-to-serial cable |
| 11:32.36 | formi | on the machine with the nic, where do I point minicom to? |
| 11:33.07 | Jenson | ibot seen dankolb |
| 11:33.11 | | dankolb <~dankolb@spookhive.demon.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1d 13h 3m 20s ago, saying: 'Bye resuDaed'. |
| 11:34.36 | Davilion | ethernet to serial cable? |
| 11:34.44 | Davilion | do you mean serial dongle one end, rj45 on the other? |
| 11:34.52 | formi | yeap |
| 11:35.44 | Jenson | Was Jess there with zach yesterday, coz she said she was going to be, but I never saw her. |
| 11:36.27 | formi | I don't think so |
| 11:36.48 | formi | appart zach didn't even go to the pub afterwards |
| 11:37.27 | Jenson | I really think I ought to get some food...I havent eaten anything worth eating since 7am yesterday |
| 11:39.42 | Davilion | formi: ok you need to plug it into a serial port |
| 11:39.45 | Davilion | on both ends |
| 11:40.18 | formi | shit |
| 11:40.36 | formi | murble didn't say anthing |
| 11:40.53 | Davilion | i can send you a serial plug if you like. that takes rj45 on one end, and you put the pins where you want them on the other. |
| 11:41.00 | Jenson | ooh ooh ohh, local computer fairs today.....best go find my dad |
| 11:41.25 | Davilion | heh |
| 11:41.37 | formi | what I have basically it's a 25pin serial and a rj45 cable |
| 11:42.11 | Davilion | what do you want to connect at each end? |
| 11:42.23 | formi | sparc to pc |
| 11:42.32 | Jenson | fucking hell, my mother is shouting at me again |
| 11:42.46 | formi | with that language no wonder |
| 11:42.55 | Davilion | does the sparc have rj45 serial port? or is it a din connector thingy? |
| 11:43.06 | Jenson | i'm not allowed to swear in front of my parents formi |
| 11:43.07 | formi | let me see |
| 11:43.40 | formi | so why do we have to stand you? |
| 11:43.41 | formi | your parents had all the guilt |
| 11:44.27 | Jenson | I as usual, have destroyed myself, and my boyfriend (that is if anyone else saw him sitting on the floor in front of everyone looking destroyed) |
| 11:44.46 | formi | Davilion: there are only 25 pin serial connectors + ethernet |
| 11:45.13 | Davilion | formi: ok, so you need, rj45 -> 9 pin ? |
| 11:45.57 | formi | i thought rj45 was to be connected to the nic |
| 11:46.18 | formi | I do have a 9-25 serial cable |
| 11:46.44 | formi | which funnily enough only works on the old freebsd laptop |
| 11:47.09 | formi | so until i manage to fix another kernel to support the pcmcia nic |
| 11:47.23 | formi | i have to sit in front of it |
| 11:55.01 | Davilion | no you can't connect serial to ethernet |
| 11:55.21 | Davilion | i think the reason for the plugs is that some sun's have rj45 serial ports |
| 11:55.25 | Davilion | as do some terminal servers |
| 11:55.39 | formi | ok lesson learnt |
| 11:55.56 | formi | you didn't stay for long yesterday |
| 11:56.07 | Davilion | no i went to get my laptop then a friend called to say she was nearby |
| 11:56.13 | Davilion | and i havent seen her in years so headed out. |
| 11:56.14 | Jenson | Davilion: You going to OxLUG? |
| 11:56.29 | Davilion | Jenson: possibly, it depends on how i feel later and what else happens today |
| 11:56.40 | Jenson | Davilion: If you do, look after Dan for me :) |
| 11:56.58 | Davilion | will do |
| 11:58.18 | formi | Jenson: feeling guilty today? |
| 11:58.35 | Jenson | formi: And what do you know of that I should feel guilty about? |
| 11:58.51 | formi | just asking |
| 11:59.19 | Jenson | A bit yeah, more confused than guilty, and I havent eaten for ages so I feel out of it |
| 12:02.10 | Davilion | felt really hungover |
| 12:02.22 | Davilion | i need to force feed myself mroe liquid when i drink i think. |
| 12:02.49 | Jenson | Davilion: Were you at the pub with the gllug guys, or with your mate? |
| 12:03.03 | Davilion | at home actually. was on the phone to friend for ages though. |
| 12:03.23 | Davilion | and the problem is that if i open a bottle of wine i may as well finish it sincce it will just go in the bin if i dont drink it. |
| 12:03.27 | Davilion | and it was a very nice drop. |
| 12:03.33 | Jenson | BRB |
| 12:03.39 | Davilion | woo! /me gets pxe working at last |
| 12:22.44 | Davilion | so now, when my machine boots, i can select, local boot, local boot with network kernel, diskless machine, memory test, or lnx-bbc rescue |
| 12:23.54 | Davilion | oh and this is all over the serial ine |
| 12:25.06 | gj_ | re |
| 13:06.57 | Jenson | i gotta go |
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| 13:49.49 | Davilion | hi Leeds |
| 13:51.16 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 14:16.15 | dpash | hi all |
| 14:16.40 | dpash | s/\/me/my/ |
| 14:39.28 | murble | moin |
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| 14:50.44 | A4266 | Hey all |
| 14:50.52 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 14:51.17 | A4266 | is it that time already? Feels like 10 in the morning to me.. :) |
| 14:52.18 | Leeds | yeah :-) |
| 14:52.23 | Leeds | I got up around noon... |
| 14:52.37 | A4266 | hehe. Same here |
| 14:53.22 | Leeds | but then I went out to get breakfast and bumped into someone I knew :-( looking like I'd just got out of bed... |
| 14:53.47 | A4266 | lol. |
| 14:54.03 | Leeds | a non-geeky person, obviously... or I wouldn't care :-) |
| 14:54.10 | A4266 | well if they know you well enough it won't worry them :) |
| 14:54.14 | A4266 | lol, ya |
| 14:54.48 | A4266 | Did ya enjoy yesterdays gglug meating? |
| 14:55.01 | A4266 | *gllug |
| 14:55.05 | Leeds | yeah... |
| 14:55.34 | dpash | it was good |
| 14:55.48 | Leeds | I fell asleep with all the lights and computer on... woke up at just before 6 and turned everything off... |
| 14:56.01 | A4266 | oh yeah. Nothing better then a good long lie in :) |
| 14:56.06 | dpash | I did think about irc last night, but decided against it |
| 14:56.18 | A4266 | heh |
| 14:56.21 | dpash | A4266: multiple Charmed episodes |
| 14:56.31 | Leeds | dpash: TiVo - just watched one... |
| 14:56.37 | dpash | including a two-parter |
| 14:56.39 | A4266 | I got a free copy of Suse yesterday :) |
| 14:56.47 | dpash | A4266: burn it |
| 14:56.47 | A4266 | lol |
| 14:57.00 | A4266 | can't. resuDaed has my copy at the mo :( |
| 14:57.03 | dpash | hmmm paige as a mermaid |
| 14:57.09 | Leeds | yeah :-) |
| 14:57.14 | dpash | hmmmm |
| 14:57.37 | Leeds | now watching Father Ted.. |
| 14:57.47 | A4266 | I'm not much of a charmed fan :( |
| 14:57.54 | Leeds | I don't actually watch Charmed - for the stories, anyway |
| 14:58.02 | A4266 | I prefer things like Star Trek and that sorta thing ;) |
| 14:58.09 | A4266 | lol |
| 14:58.36 | dpash | Leeds: nah, just mermaids |
| 14:58.51 | dpash | Leeds: besides you can never work out the larger plot with charmed |
| 14:59.12 | dpash | it doesn;t help that % and Living always seem to show them out of order |
| 14:59.16 | dpash | s/%/5/ |
| 14:59.23 | Davilion | heh |
| 14:59.31 | A4266 | ya, what bits I've seen almost always refere to older episodes |
| 14:59.33 | Leeds | I watch Buffy and Angel for the stories... :-) |
| 15:00.05 | A4266 | I got bored with those |
| 15:00.28 | A4266 | To much killing of the same old demons |
| 15:00.41 | Leeds | well, there are only about 15 episodes of Buffy left anyway |
| 15:00.46 | A4266 | All they did to spice it up was to change there names :P |
| 15:01.12 | Leeds | the current series is shaping up very nicely... |
| 15:01.54 | dpash | there was rumours of lesbians |
| 15:02.12 | Leeds | yes... Willow |
| 15:02.22 | Leeds | Jewish lesbian witch :-) |
| 15:03.19 | dpash | one day at band camp |
| 15:03.30 | A4266 | I thought that was old news willow being lezzy? |
| 15:03.35 | dpash | sorry I just can't get that character out of my mind when ever I see her |
| 15:03.49 | dpash | A4266: I haven;t watched it in about 2-3 years |
| 15:03.51 | Leeds | apart from the fact that her girlfriend got shot last year... she's got a new one later this year (later than Sky are) |
| 15:03.51 | A4266 | She and that other noob witch with the half whit hair |
| 15:03.57 | A4266 | ahh, I see |
| 15:04.22 | dpash | hmm Rogue from X-men |
| 15:04.51 | eye69 | Ey, any WLAN people here? Are there any 802.11g cards that work with Linux? I can't find any good info on either Google or consume.net. |
| 15:05.04 | A4266 | not as good looking as Rogue. And its only white from halfway down the length of it |
| 15:06.24 | A4266 | YUS!! Just found a site that I used to frequent a lot is back up at last!! :D |
| 15:06.33 | Leeds | eye69: I've not heard of any... |
| 15:06.37 | Leeds | A4266: which site then? |
| 15:06.56 | A4266 | www.staryards.com |
| 15:07.13 | A4266 | or was :/ Just seen that the domain seems to be up for grabs... |
| 15:07.57 | A4266 | not sure though now 'cause parts of it seem to be up? |
| 15:08.11 | A4266 | Like the download section and stuff |
| 15:09.42 | Leeds | maybe it's being rebuilt... |
| 15:10.25 | A4266 | not sure.. Ohh well. At lest the best parts are still up :) |
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| 15:13.07 | murble | hi Cupis |
| 15:13.11 | cupis | mi murb |
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| 15:25.39 | omphe | hello everyone |
| 15:25.46 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 15:26.35 | omphe | can't get over this sunshine. |
| 15:27.03 | murble | I'm sure it'll go away soon enough, ane maybe if you are very lucky sooner still. |
| 15:27.37 | omphe | Just returned from the park and everyone has the same stupid grin as their pups. |
| 15:27.49 | Davilion | hi omphe |
| 15:27.59 | Davilion | heh |
| 15:29.55 | murble | s/ot/to/ |
| 15:30.29 | omphe | where's murble starting from? |
| 15:32.26 | Davilion | murble: you a keen cyclist? |
| 15:33.06 | gj_ | Leeds: hello |
| 15:33.10 | Leeds | murble: starting in .lu? :-) |
| 15:33.16 | Leeds | gj_: afternoon... |
| 15:34.27 | gj_ | http://anthrax.ds.pg.gda.pl/server/ |
| 15:35.21 | Leeds | yeah, saw that on slashdot |
| 15:35.46 | gj_ | hehe |
| 15:35.59 | gj_ | i am just wondering how fast is this "disk" |
| 15:38.46 | gj_ | btw. this machine was running PLD linux (pld.org.pl) |
| 15:39.01 | Leeds | I noticed that |
| 15:41.12 | gj_ | :) |
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| 15:52.40 | eye69 | Heh...one disk goes, and it all goes.. |
| 15:53.42 | Jenson | heya eye69 |
| 15:53.53 | eye69 | Hi Jenson |
| 15:56.41 | Davilion | heh |
| 15:57.01 | Davilion | sounds like my sister, she's constantly running up profits for bt |
| 16:04.32 | Jenson | Davilion: I constantly run up profits for T-Mobile, but other than the internet and calling Dan I don't really use the landline |
| 16:07.10 | Jenson | Does anyone know if ADSL modems that are suitable for Win 9x are also suitable for Linux....ie I don't want to be forced to use the internet in Win if I get ADSL |
| 16:08.19 | cupis | Jenson: best to try and get a 'modem' with an ethernet connection - this will definately work. USB/PCI DSL modems aren't supported too well under Linux. |
| 16:09.02 | Leeds | the speedtouch USB works - I'm on one now... but it's not nice, and it's not fun to setup |
| 16:09.24 | Jenson | Yeah it's £84.99 I see |
| 16:09.37 | Jenson | I have no idea how to compile my usb support into my kernel either |
| 16:09.41 | Jenson | I'm quite the idiot |
| 16:09.55 | Leeds | then avoid USB :-) |
| 16:10.06 | Jenson | Settinng up a dial up modem wasn't fun either |
| 16:10.11 | cupis | Jenson: you shouldn't need to compile USB support into your kernel. |
| 16:10.14 | Jenson | And setting up a printer took me hours |
| 16:10.28 | Jenson | cupis: People keep telling me I need to |
| 16:10.42 | Jenson | hey Leeds, I like you, coz you aren't too damn tall :) |
| 16:10.52 | Davilion | TCP: Hash tables configured (established 262144 bind 65536) |
| 16:10.52 | Davilion | Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM |
| 16:10.52 | Davilion | RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 |
| 16:10.52 | Davilion | Freeing initrd memory: 258k freed |
| 16:10.52 | Davilion | cramfs: wrong magic |
| 16:10.53 | Davilion | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 |
| 16:10.54 | Leeds | um, thanks, I guess |
| 16:10.55 | Davilion | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.57 | Davilion | any ideas whats causing that? |
| 16:11.01 | cupis | Jenson: don't believe everything you hear, |
| 16:11.18 | Leeds | Davilion: what's the context? new install or what? |
| 16:11.18 | Jenson | cupis: I forget who told me, Dan or zimm I think |
| 16:11.31 | cupis | Jenson: yeah, well. |
| 16:11.39 | eye69 | Davilion: What distro? |
| 16:11.52 | Leeds | I don't have it compiled in... means I can power down my USB ports to reload drivers without rebooting |
| 16:12.00 | Davilion | Leeds: diskless machine. i compiled a kernel, mkinitrd' then copied the two files into /tftpboot and told the machine to boot the new kernel and use the new initrd |
| 16:12.08 | eye69 | Oh |
| 16:12.09 | Davilion | it gets hte files ok, but then freaks whenit mounts them |
| 16:12.45 | Leeds | Davilion: 08:01 is the first IDE device... it's trying to boot from disk |
| 16:13.22 | Davilion | ahah. |
| 16:13.34 | Davilion | i thought it was something going on with the ramdisk |
| 16:13.40 | Davilion | in which case everytihng is working nicely |
| 16:13.41 | Davilion | well sorta |
| 16:14.56 | Leeds | (actually, it's sda, not hda, but the same applies) |
| 16:15.56 | Leeds | bloody hell, is 1615! |
| 16:16.03 | Leeds | s/is/it's/ |
| 16:16.05 | Jenson | Feels like about 11am |
| 16:16.24 | Leeds | yeah |
| 16:16.47 | Davilion | today is going really slowly for me |
| 16:16.48 | omphe | It's that big scary bright thing in the sky! :) |
| 16:17.36 | Jenson | Davilion: Me too, except I kinda didn't really bother to move until about 1pm |
| 16:18.31 | Leeds | it's the traditional post-GLLUG hangover :-) |
| 16:18.45 | omphe | cupis: I set up a halt user, as we discussed. |
| 16:18.57 | cupis | omphe: it works okay? |
| 16:19.15 | omphe | cupis: but it opens a fluxbox session, then when I open an xterm it shutsdown. |
| 16:19.32 | cupis | heh. oops |
| 16:19.54 | Jenson | Damn my mouse. I just lost the menus in Konqueror and now I've got the main toolbar in the middle of the screen |
| 16:20.05 | omphe | cupis: trawling for a way to circumvent fluxbox |
| 16:20.17 | omphe | cupis: you guys get out on the ice? |
| 16:20.39 | cupis | omphe: no. Found out that the rink was open 5pm - 8.30pm, so we just went to the pub. |
| 16:21.17 | omphe | ice skating/drinking always gave me a headache and bruises the next morning. |
| 16:22.08 | Leeds | what, drinking ice? |
| 16:23.08 | cupis | omphe: does the halt user have a homedir? |
| 16:23.21 | omphe | cupis: nope |
| 16:24.25 | cupis | omphe: give it one containing .xinitrc with the line '/bin/sh' in it? |
| 16:24.35 | cupis | omphe: or http://neilt.org/computing/xdmshutdownbutton.html |
| 16:24.53 | cupis | omphe: or the inittab (ctrl-alt-del) way: the line in my /etc/inittab is: |
| 16:25.00 | cupis | ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now |
| 16:25.25 | cupis | omphe: or try login.app or kdm |
| 16:26.00 | Davilion | i would imagine drinking ice would give you a sore throat |
| 16:26.06 | omphe | cupis: P90 laptop with 750MB hdd, no space for kdm |
| 16:26.14 | cupis | omphe: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue29/lg_tips29.html#digulla |
| 16:32.24 | Jenson | How much space does a FreeBSD install take on average? |
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| 16:48.11 | formi | hiya |
| 16:48.16 | omphe | hey formi |
| 16:48.34 | formi | did you manage to get the pc running? |
| 16:49.15 | omphe | Nah, and I left it in my wife's locker in the Royal Opera House for the weekend. |
| 16:49.32 | formi | so it gets a bit of culture? |
| 16:49.46 | omphe | Not likely in her dressing room! |
| 16:49.57 | formi | no web cam? |
| 16:50.11 | omphe | You wish |
| 16:50.28 | Davilion | heh |
| 16:50.50 | formi | i finally installed solaris 7, went quite smoothly |
| 16:51.15 | formi | it doesn't come with ssh installed |
| 16:51.33 | omphe | is solaris only for sun hardware? |
| 16:52.05 | formi | there are versions for x86 |
| 16:52.37 | formi | if you go to sun.com you can download them |
| 16:52.54 | Leeds | s9 has ssh |
| 16:53.01 | Leeds | otherwise, get it from sunfreeware.com |
| 16:53.16 | formi | i have already downloaded it |
| 16:53.28 | formi | had a problem though |
| 16:54.02 | formi | when i tried to mount a nfs share i got "mount: not installed" or something on those lines |
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| 18:26.18 | omphe | wb cupis |
| 18:26.26 | cupis | ty |
| 18:26.54 | omphe | final solution was...ditch xdm and use a halt user. |
| 18:26.54 | cupis | highbury: please change the topic? |
| 18:27.09 | cupis | omphe: ditch all dm's? |
| 18:28.07 | omphe | yeah, just a console login now. Why have a stripped down xdm when console login will suffice. |
| 18:28.57 | cupis | omphe: good point. and of course it solves your 'halt' problem nicely |
| 18:29.25 | omphe | thanks for the assistance |
| 18:29.27 | Leeds | you've got a halting problem? |
| 18:29.52 | omphe | No, just wanted to work out the "halt user" configuration for xdm. |
| 18:29.57 | cupis | Leeds: no, lol |
| 18:30.08 | cupis | i knew someone would mis-read that. |
| 18:30.32 | Leeds | ah-ha! |
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| 19:08.44 | Jenson | re cupis |
| 19:12.05 | SpudUAway | Cupis - You missed out on The Church in a big way! Everyone had lots of fun!!! |
| 19:13.39 | Jenson | hey guys I just have to quote what my ex is saying on MSN |
| 19:13.59 | Jenson | reliant robin!!!: it's not my computer. i use an original version of linux |
| 19:13.59 | Jenson | (19:13:01) Jenson: which distro? |
| 19:13.59 | Jenson | (19:13:07) STULLEY!!!! the only person to do a drive by in a reliant robin!!!: eh?? |
| 19:13.59 | Jenson | (19:13:13) Jenson: Linux distro? |
| 19:13.59 | Jenson | (19:13:21) STULLEY!!!! the only person to do a drive by in a reliant robin!!!: dunno |
| 19:14.00 | Jenson | (19:13:56) STULLEY!!!! the only person to do a drive by in a reliant robin!!!: why? |
| 19:14.02 | Jenson | (19:14:09) Jenson: Just wondered |
| 19:14.04 | Jenson | (19:14:32) Jenson: Debian, Mandrake, SuSe, Caldera, Red Hat? |
| 19:14.06 | Jenson | (19:14:46) STULLEY!!!! the only person to do a drive by in a reliant robin!!!: right....... |
| 19:14.08 | Jenson | (19:15:09) STULLEY!!!! the only person to do a drive by in a reliant robin!!!: when i say i am a communist i mean i stand by the basic views |
| 19:14.11 | Jenson | (19:15:17) Jenson: :) |
| 19:14.13 | Jenson | (19:15:26) Jenson: I just wanted to know which Linux distro you use |
| 19:14.17 | Jenson | (19:15:46) STULLEY!!!! the only person to do a drive by in a reliant robin!!!: i dunno my dad did it all |
| 19:14.19 | Jenson | Sorry for flooding |
| 19:14.54 | gj_ | grep -v STULLEY and it would make some sense :] |
| 19:15.12 | Jenson | I know |
| 19:15.15 | Jenson | He's an idiot |
| 19:15.31 | Jenson | I'm trying to get him on IRC so I can CTCP version him |
| 19:15.41 | gj_ | hehehehe |
| 19:16.35 | Jenson | But he doesnt know how to get onto IRC.... |
| 19:17.06 | Jenson | lol he's finally admitted he's on XP right now |
| 19:17.42 | gj_ | give me IP |
| 19:17.51 | gj_ | he will get reboot each minute :) |
| 19:19.02 | Jenson | If I knew how to get his IP I would |
| 19:22.09 | Jenson | I think he's just trying to get with me |
| 19:22.24 | Jenson | He knows I'm a Marxist and I use Linux and so he thinks he does |
| 19:22.36 | Jenson | But he doesnt know which distro it is coz his Dad did it |
| 19:24.16 | gj_ | ftp.mking.com/pub/raptor/ |
| 19:24.47 | Leeds | yeah, it rocks... |
| 19:24.57 | Leeds | I had it on DOS years ago, and I bought a copy for Linux |
| 19:25.22 | Jenson | Well, right now I'm having to teach him to d/l and install XChat for Windows....methinks he doesnt use Linux at home |
| 19:28.49 | gj_ | well |
| 19:28.55 | gj_ | he allways can use knoppix :] |
| 19:29.15 | gj_ | by claus knopper (c) |
| 19:29.16 | Jenson | But is it actually possible to use linux and not know what distro it is? |
| 19:29.30 | gj_ | no way |
| 19:29.58 | Jenson | exactly |
| 19:30.11 | Jenson | And he cant install Xchat in XP |
| 19:30.19 | Jenson | Probably downloaded the Linux version |
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| 19:53.46 | OrangeSkies | evening all |
| 19:54.32 | Leeds | hey |
| 19:54.57 | OrangeSkies | how goes it? |
| 19:55.47 | Leeds | not too bad |
| 19:55.58 | Leeds | except that I've done almost nothing today, and it's 8pm! |
| 19:56.03 | OrangeSkies | yey! |
| 19:56.15 | OrangeSkies | isn't it a great feeling |
| 19:56.30 | OrangeSkies | i've just finished backing up my mp3 collection... 22 80min cds! |
| 19:56.57 | Leeds | whoa |
| 19:57.34 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: I fitted mine onto 4 |
| 19:57.43 | OrangeSkies | i know... i got a sore thumb from taking all the plastic away from the cases |
| 19:58.08 | OrangeSkies | Jenson: that's piffling haha |
| 19:58.41 | Jenson | And he says he uses linux at home |
| 20:01.22 | *** join/#gllug andy (1002@dial81-131-130-49.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 20:01.27 | Jenson | well done! |
| 20:01.39 | Jenson | You are now connected through my machine |
| 20:01.57 | andy | hi |
| 20:02.17 | andy | eh? |
| 20:02.22 | Leeds | hi andy |
| 20:02.26 | andy | hi |
| 20:02.29 | Jenson | Leeds: Meet my mate |
| 20:03.03 | Leeds | another one? :-) |
| 20:03.12 | Jenson | andy: Now you are using Linux instead of XP :) |
| 20:03.34 | Jenson | yeah Leeds I should bring him to gllug if he's round this way then |
| 20:03.54 | Leeds | not that you're not welcome... but isn't there anything nearer? |
| 20:04.08 | Jenson | Leeds: I would think so |
| 20:04.22 | andy | errr i am confused!!!! |
| 20:04.29 | Jenson | andy: why? |
| 20:04.53 | Leeds | andy: you are now in a public chatroom associated with the Greater London Linux User Group (gllug) |
| 20:05.02 | andy | right |
| 20:05.12 | andy | whats with the yellow writing stuff? |
| 20:05.23 | Jenson | yellow means people are writing to you |
| 20:05.46 | andy | how do u do that then??? |
| 20:06.09 | Jenson | By writing peoples names first or in the sentcne andy |
| 20:06.42 | andy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.48 | Jenson | without |
| 20:06.56 | andy | jenson like this?? |
| 20:07.01 | Jenson | yeah |
| 20:07.08 | andy | did that work? |
| 20:07.14 | Jenson | yeah |
| 20:07.44 | andy | cool |
| 20:07.52 | andy | so whats every1 up to then? |
| 20:09.27 | OrangeSkies | i'm wondering why my flippin modem doesn't work with debian |
| 20:09.39 | Jenson | coz debian is shit |
| 20:09.47 | andy | ok |
| 20:09.55 | OrangeSkies | pour quois? |
| 20:10.00 | Jenson | i'm just chatting |
| 20:10.09 | Jenson | parce que |
| 20:10.50 | andy | hmmm french is boring try gettin a russian typefon from the net and doing that!!! |
| 20:11.14 | OrangeSkies | like thiski u meanski? |
| 20:11.33 | andy | haha |
| 20:12.10 | andy | like you are very nize thank u pleez i like yore muther she iz very nize |
| 20:12.21 | OrangeSkies | :o |
| 20:12.39 | andy | ent i like yore bowtowm asswell thank u pleez |
| 20:12.54 | OrangeSkies | :( |
| 20:13.27 | andy | thats kinda kazakstanian not russian but u get the idea |
| 20:14.22 | andy | this is kinda weird.# |
| 20:15.52 | Jenson | Coz if I do I'll have a different IP and you'll have to ssh in again |
| 20:15.57 | andy | jenson if you do that'll screw me up i guess |
| 20:16.02 | Jenson | yeah |
| 20:16.22 | Jenson | well it shouldnt drop it now |
| 20:17.19 | andy | good |
| 20:17.57 | andy | so is jens the only female in here?? |
| 20:18.04 | OrangeSkies | so far agk's winning the been-idle-for-the-longest competition with a might 47 hours & 50 minutes |
| 20:18.05 | Jenson | HuhnLondon is female too |
| 20:18.12 | OrangeSkies | *mighty |
| 20:18.15 | Jenson | and resubitch |
| 20:18.32 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: I think he idles for weeks :) |
| 20:18.52 | Jenson | but resubitch is offline, and HuhnLondon is probably on a plane between London and germany ATM |
| 20:19.25 | OrangeSkies | why don't they just leave the chan? |
| 20:19.35 | OrangeSkies | it'd be a lot less confusing |
| 20:19.40 | Jenson | Coz by idling they can show they have always-on connection :) |
| 20:19.46 | OrangeSkies | hehe w00t |
| 20:19.53 | Jenson | lol |
| 20:20.07 | OrangeSkies | (+sarcasm) |
| 20:20.12 | Jenson | :) |
| 20:20.27 | andy | ok!! (confused and scared laughter like ur all intelligent and i'm REAL dumb!) |
| 20:20.28 | OrangeSkies | i need to plead for for help |
| 20:20.41 | andy | ok then go on |
| 20:20.42 | Leeds | andy: very true |
| 20:20.43 | Jenson | andy: How long you been using Linux anyway? |
| 20:20.51 | Jenson | sure OrangeSkies |
| 20:21.05 | OrangeSkies | heeeeeeeeelp! |
| 20:21.10 | andy | jenson kind of once before i came back to guildford! |
| 20:21.15 | OrangeSkies | ok, i'm done |
| 20:21.27 | Jenson | andy: Why didn't you take your linux box with you? |
| 20:22.32 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: you need real help? :-) |
| 20:22.35 | andy | jenson cos it's my dads and he actually uses it. this is the 1st time i been near any computer in about 2 months and even then it was only for porn! |
| 20:22.40 | OrangeSkies | haha |
| 20:23.01 | Leeds | andy: for reference, this channel is logged :-) |
| 20:23.15 | andy | leeds wha? |
| 20:23.21 | Jenson | by the ibot |
| 20:23.28 | andy | eh? |
| 20:23.34 | Jenson | ibot andy is a mate of Jenson's |
| 20:23.34 | | ...but andy is already something else... |
| 20:23.39 | Jenson | WTF |
| 20:23.41 | Jenson | ibot andy |
| 20:23.41 | | i heard andy is mailto:Andrew.Christian@compaq.com |
| 20:23.51 | andy | no |
| 20:23.52 | Leeds | don't replace that |
| 20:23.54 | Jenson | oooh did we used to have another andy? |
| 20:24.08 | Leeds | ibot lives in more that one channel - I invited him in here |
| 20:24.08 | | Leeds: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:24.08 | Jenson | Leeds: I don't know how to replace it anway |
| 20:24.16 | andy | what u dun bex??!! |
| 20:24.26 | Jenson | andy: Nothing, just talking to the bot |
| 20:24.36 | Leeds | andy is one of the senior people on one of ibot's other channels |
| 20:25.49 | andy | who is the i bot? |
| 20:26.04 | Jenson | Leeds: Which file do I need to edit to change to change the mount access priviliges on the different drives |
| 20:26.23 | Jenson | ie I don't want people who ssh this box to have access to all the drives |
| 20:26.58 | Leeds | Jenson: you don't do it by drive on Linux, you do it by part of filesystem |
| 20:27.17 | Jenson | I know what I want to do |
| 20:27.26 | Jenson | I just forget what file it is I wanna edit |
| 20:28.00 | Leeds | it's not in a file |
| 20:28.05 | Jenson | andy: Ask ibot who he is type ibot ibot |
| 20:28.28 | andy | ibot ibot |
| 20:28.29 | | rumour has it, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 20:28.53 | andy | jenson ok |
| 20:30.11 | Jenson | Leeds: I mean the file that I need to edit to set the mount priviliges. I'll ask Dan, he understands me sometimes |
| 20:31.16 | Leeds | fstab |
| 20:31.21 | Jenson | that one! |
| 20:31.21 | Leeds | /etc/fstab |
| 20:31.22 | Jenson | lol |
| 20:32.22 | OrangeSkies | my turn Leeds... have u got any idea why i can connect to my isp on debian but can't get any data transfer? (sites won't load, i can't get onto irc etc) |
| 20:33.01 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: Sounds like a firewalling problem |
| 20:33.07 | Jenson | But I'm probably talking crap |
| 20:33.23 | andy | errrr |
| 20:33.36 | andy | have u all like got degrees in computing n stuff? |
| 20:33.50 | Jenson | andy: I havent |
| 20:33.54 | Jenson | Nor has my boyfriend |
| 20:34.02 | Jenson | or resudaed or davilion or zimm |
| 20:34.05 | Jenson | Loads of us havent |
| 20:34.09 | Jenson | Loads of us have |
| 20:34.43 | OrangeSkies | Jenson: i don't have a firewall going.. |
| 20:35.03 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: does traceroute do anything interesting? |
| 20:35.06 | OrangeSkies | andy: i might do in 6 years or so... starting comp. science in 2004 |
| 20:35.12 | Leeds | did you do anything about DNS? |
| 20:35.15 | OrangeSkies | i haven't tried |
| 20:35.18 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: Want me to ping you? |
| 20:35.19 | OrangeSkies | nope |
| 20:35.34 | OrangeSkies | it's ok i'm on XP atm (SORRY) so everything's working fine |
| 20:35.40 | Jenson | :) |
| 20:35.42 | Jenson | k cool |
| 20:35.48 | OrangeSkies | thanx neway |
| 20:36.07 | andy | do u ever talk bout normal stuff rather than all this techno stuff?? |
| 20:36.11 | OrangeSkies | when i click 'query modem' from kppp the AT(?) boxes come up blank |
| 20:36.30 | Jenson | we do |
| 20:36.31 | Jenson | yeah |
| 20:36.45 | Leeds | andy: this is a technical room - people do talk about other things, but it's primarily for techie chat |
| 20:37.01 | andy | bex didnt tell me that |
| 20:37.22 | Jenson | andy: I'm gonna have to reconnect in a minute so you'll have to meet me on msn so i can give you my new ip address so you can ssh in again |
| 20:37.27 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: what should i be doing with DNS/traceroute? |
| 20:38.22 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: try to traceroute to any machine name - and to a random IP address - if your link is up but you can't get anywhere, it's often DNS |
| 20:38.47 | andy | jenson ok then |
| 20:39.34 | OrangeSkies | ok... so what should i do about it? |
| 20:40.06 | Jenson | BRB reconnecting |
| 20:41.15 | Clyphox | Hello all |
| 20:41.54 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-151-44.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 20:42.01 | OrangeSkies | hey |
| 20:42.03 | OrangeSkies | wb Jenson |
| 20:42.09 | Jenson | ty |
| 20:42.10 | Clyphox | Hi Jenson |
| 20:42.21 | OrangeSkies | ack, dinner time |
| 20:42.27 | OrangeSkies | cya all later |
| 20:42.33 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: bring it up and try to traceroute 129.156.199.158 |
| 20:42.40 | OrangeSkies | ooo ok |
| 20:42.43 | OrangeSkies | and then? |
| 20:42.56 | Leeds | tell me what happens :-) |
| 20:43.03 | OrangeSkies | hehe awww |
| 20:43.11 | OrangeSkies | it's such a bitch rebooting all the time |
| 20:43.32 | OrangeSkies | i'll do it after me dinner in half n hour |
| 20:43.36 | OrangeSkies | thanks all |
| 20:43.37 | OrangeSkies | cyas later |
| 20:44.08 | Jenson | hey Clyphox |
| 20:46.11 | Clyphox | Heya Jenson |
| 20:46.15 | Clyphox | I'm back :) |
| 20:46.50 | Jenson | cool |
| 20:47.04 | Clyphox | Once again I missed meeting you though hehe |
| 20:47.07 | Jenson | I'm teaching a mate to ssh in coz her XP is half dead so I'll let her ssh my box |
| 20:47.13 | Jenson | I met Alex and Tom |
| 20:47.21 | Jenson | You never told me how gorgeous Tom is |
| 20:48.05 | Clyphox | I thought to knew him already.. |
| 20:48.23 | Clyphox | He told me about you.. |
| 20:48.37 | Jenson | Hadnt met him before |
| 20:48.56 | Clyphox | Ahh |
| 20:49.03 | Jenson | I told him to tell Beth she's a lucky girl....and it came out all wrong infront of him and Alex |
| 20:49.15 | Clyphox | lol |
| 20:49.33 | Clyphox | I'll bbiam just gotta do some usb logging.. sry.. |
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| 20:50.12 | Jenson | wb |
| 20:50.17 | Jenson | Getting Bee to ssh in to |
| 20:50.19 | Jenson | trying |
| 20:50.21 | Jenson | anyway |
| 20:51.15 | andy | hi |
| 20:51.53 | Jenson | Damn KDE is being shit |
| 20:53.17 | *** join/#gllug bee (1003@dial81-131-151-44.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 20:53.25 | Jenson | heya bee |
| 20:54.02 | bee | hi |
| 20:54.08 | bee | wow im here |
| 20:54.11 | Jenson | well done |
| 20:54.20 | bee | finally i hear u say |
| 20:54.27 | Jenson | You're now connected to chat through my machine |
| 20:54.33 | bee | cool |
| 20:54.36 | Jenson | :) |
| 20:54.41 | bee | clever hey |
| 20:54.46 | Jenson | Yeah :) |
| 20:54.47 | Jenson | BRB |
| 20:54.52 | bee | ok |
| 20:55.05 | bee | whos the other person thats here? |
| 20:55.30 | bee | is there anybody here? |
| 20:55.34 | andy | i'm here |
| 20:55.45 | eye69 | I'm here, not there. |
| 20:56.05 | bee | aww wow people |
| 20:56.07 | andy | i'm here physically but mentally.......i dunno..... |
| 20:56.11 | andy | ibot ibot |
| 20:56.12 | | rumour has it, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 20:56.35 | bee | so whats everyone been up to? |
| 20:56.57 | Leeds | playing with edonkey |
| 20:57.07 | bee | with what? |
| 20:57.10 | andy | drinking an smokin |
| 20:57.20 | bee | aww the healthy one |
| 20:58.17 | andy | oh yes |
| 20:58.18 | eye69 | Leeds: /topic |
| 20:58.21 | Jenson | Leeds: Bee is the mate that was coming to the installfest with me |
| 20:58.21 | Leeds | p2p client |
| 20:58.28 | andy | i say coughing my face off |
| 20:58.35 | andy | well at least it's not drugs!! |
| 20:58.39 | Jenson | Leeds: Where can I d/l edonkey coz i need it |
| 20:58.44 | bee | fair point |
| 20:58.55 | bee | whats edonkey? |
| 20:59.00 | bee | what am i missin out on? |
| 20:59.02 | Jenson | like napster bee |
| 20:59.06 | Jenson | for linux |
| 20:59.12 | Jenson | you want http://www.winmx.com |
| 20:59.15 | Leeds | Jenson: google |
| 20:59.21 | bee | thanks, not all that computer literate |
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| 20:59.51 | eye69 | Hiya davilion |
| 20:59.56 | Leeds | hey davilion |
| 21:00.00 | bee | hi |
| 21:00.14 | Jenson | re davilion |
| 21:00.16 | andy | hey |
| 21:00.36 | Jenson | Leeds: Google, I'm lazy...oh well |
| 21:00.54 | Leeds | Jenson: me too - I followed a link - dunno the domain |
| 21:01.19 | Jenson | Leeds: :) but you always go out to the shop for bagels so you cant be too lazy |
| 21:02.32 | Jenson | Leeds: Is edonkey only command line based, or X based too? |
| 21:02.56 | Leeds | it's weird - there's a 'core' which is a command-line client, and a couple of GUIs - a java one and a GTK+ one |
| 21:03.20 | eye69 | Similar to the design of dc then |
| 21:03.41 | Leeds | think so |
| 21:03.59 | Jenson | oh good |
| 21:04.04 | Jenson | I didnt fancy command line clients |
| 21:04.08 | Leeds | the problem is that the protocol is closed-ish, and the core is closed, but the GTK gui is open |
| 21:04.16 | Leeds | third-party GTK client, that is |
| 21:04.36 | Jenson | Leeds: I havent successfully downloaded and compiled a program yet so I expect it'll be beyond me |
| 21:05.12 | eye69 | There's a first for everything |
| 21:05.37 | bee | im off now peeps |
| 21:05.39 | Jenson | Leeds: The URI is http://www.edonkey.com it seems |
| 21:05.41 | Jenson | cya bee |
| 21:05.52 | bee | cya all soon |
| 21:06.05 | Leeds | it's not hard, except that I got confused - the docs on the site are from the CVS version, which is broken, as opposed to the last release, which isn't |
| 21:07.17 | eye69 | Leeds: Do you know if the automounter configuration and design of Linux vs. Solaris is at all similar? |
| 21:08.01 | eye69 | My dad said he was going to install automounter support in Debian for his digital camera, but he only has exp. with Solaris. |
| 21:10.14 | Leeds | I don't think they're similar, but since I've never actually configured either, I can't really say :-) |
| 21:10.57 | eye69 | Oh well, I'll wait for his phonecall. :) |
| 21:11.17 | eye69 | Let him sweat for a while. |
| 21:11.33 | Jenson | eye69: Good idea :) |
| 21:11.43 | resuDaed | whats the best terminal prgram for linux? |
| 21:12.01 | eye69 | resuDaed: Terminal program? Du you mean as in serial terminal or X terminal? |
| 21:12.07 | resuDaed | serial |
| 21:12.08 | Leeds | minicom |
| 21:12.14 | eye69 | Yeah, minicom. |
| 21:12.20 | resuDaed | thanks |
| 21:12.34 | Leeds | it's really the only one unless you want to mess with tip or search out seyon |
| 21:13.24 | eye69 | The best terminal program I've ever used is Terminate, for DOS. |
| 21:13.38 | eye69 | Ended up with paying for it. |
| 21:13.49 | eye69 | Jenson: For using a modem, or other serial devices. |
| 21:13.59 | Leeds | I actually have a serial terminal... |
| 21:14.08 | eye69 | Jenson: Like configuring a switch over serial cable, for instance. |
| 21:14.19 | Jenson | eye69: Ah, I see :) |
| 21:15.02 | eye69 | Leeds: I had a couple. Worked for the local hospital in Sweden for a while. They used serial terminals for accessing an old AIX machine. |
| 21:15.28 | eye69 | Had a couple of "normal" terminals, and a small "flatscreen" one. |
| 21:15.58 | Leeds | I took one from my previous job... thought there was a chance I might need it someday :-) |
| 21:16.00 | eye69 | I need to install my IBM NetVista. |
| 21:16.19 | andy | hey |
| 21:16.35 | andy | back |
| 21:18.03 | *** join/#gllug OrangeSkies (OrangeSkie@ppp-225-41-71.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 21:18.09 | OrangeSkies | hi |
| 21:18.55 | dpash | hi |
| 21:19.37 | Jenson | heya dpash |
| 21:19.42 | Jenson | re OrangeSkies |
| 21:19.57 | Jenson | wb andy where'd you go? |
| 21:20.32 | Jenson | oooh I like playing my CDs through a mains powered discman...when the get stuck I can oick it up and shake it |
| 21:20.32 | Leeds | hmm... dinner - I should do that |
| 21:20.42 | Jenson | Good idea Leeds |
| 21:20.48 | OrangeSkies | dinner's always a good idea |
| 21:20.58 | OrangeSkies | traceroute - command not found :'( |
| 21:21.08 | Jenson | Does anyone else find having their away messages on announce reassuring? |
| 21:21.49 | Jenson | Because I find it off putting now I turned announce off |
| 21:22.36 | OrangeSkies | don't have em on mirc teehee |
| 21:22.56 | Jenson | :) |
| 21:23.16 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: Were you at the installfest yesterday? |
| 21:23.26 | dpash | wow 150 people were greedy enough to fall for nigeria scams |
| 21:23.41 | eye69 | dpash: Idiots |
| 21:23.44 | OrangeSkies | Jenson: yeah i was the one resuDaed and his friend (alex?) was helping :) |
| 21:23.51 | Jenson | dpash: Scams? |
| 21:24.22 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: Oh, what the one that me, Alex, Tom and Ross were crowding round whilst I coplained about lilo? |
| 21:24.35 | OrangeSkies | hehe i think so yeah |
| 21:24.39 | Jenson | hehehe cool |
| 21:24.43 | Jenson | You should have said hi |
| 21:24.54 | OrangeSkies | well, i said bye!! |
| 21:24.57 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:25.00 | Jenson | OK then :) |
| 21:25.13 | OrangeSkies | i didn't know who u were most of the time, it was just til later i found out ur nick |
| 21:25.27 | Jenson | :) |
| 21:25.34 | Jenson | I thought everyone knew me |
| 21:25.41 | Jenson | The one who was clinging onto Dan |
| 21:26.00 | Jenson | The one who tried to tell resuDaed he's cute and it came out all wrong |
| 21:26.35 | andy | jenson how do u leave |
| 21:26.43 | Leeds | andy: /quit |
| 21:26.52 | Jenson | yeah then logout |
| 21:26.57 | andy | quit |
| 21:27.01 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:28.04 | OrangeSkies | this is prolly a really dumb question... but if i've got debian installed, can i install apps from the mandrake cds? |
| 21:28.27 | dpash | OrangeSkies: you can, bit I wouldn't |
| 21:29.02 | Jenson | andy just said to me on msn 'sorry, the geeks do my head in' lol |
| 21:29.11 | OrangeSkies | lol |
| 21:30.07 | OrangeSkies | dpash: why's that? |
| 21:30.24 | dpash | because they are not designed for debian |
| 21:30.29 | dpash | files may be in the wrong place |
| 21:30.47 | OrangeSkies | :/ ok i'll give it a miss |
| 21:30.48 | dpash | the wrong version of programs may be installed |
| 21:30.56 | OrangeSkies | just i dont have the debian cds |
| 21:30.57 | dpash | OrangeSkies: what do you want |
| 21:31.16 | eye69 | Install it from the net then. That's the way you're supposed to di it. |
| 21:31.20 | eye69 | s/di/do/ |
| 21:31.25 | OrangeSkies | i wanted to know in general |
| 21:31.35 | OrangeSkies | i can't get online from linux atm |
| 21:31.38 | Jenson | eye69: But he might be on dialup |
| 21:31.41 | OrangeSkies | can connect but that's all |
| 21:31.46 | OrangeSkies | yeah i'm on 56k |
| 21:31.47 | dpash | OrangeSkies: wvdial rocks |
| 21:32.00 | Jenson | yeah OrangeSkies me too |
| 21:32.07 | dpash | Jenson: nothing wrong with dialup |
| 21:32.10 | eye69 | Jenson: You can still download stuff, provided that it's not huge. |
| 21:32.18 | Jenson | I know |
| 21:32.23 | Jenson | I've been on dialup since 99 |
| 21:32.24 | OrangeSkies | 56k sucks : |
| 21:32.26 | OrangeSkies | :( |
| 21:32.45 | OrangeSkies | though it only took 2-3 hours to download the 3 mandrake iso's from college :D |
| 21:33.39 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: It was gonna take me about 45 hours to d/l Knoppix at home...and my burner wouldnt have burned an iso that sizze anyway |
| 21:34.17 | OrangeSkies | Jenson: that sucks, couldn't you get someone to dl it for u? |
| 21:34.59 | dpash | OrangeSkies: do you have a unix machine at college? |
| 21:35.00 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: I was only gonna use Knoppix to investigte linux |
| 21:35.17 | Jenson | I just bought slack for £6 at a fair instead |
| 21:35.21 | OrangeSkies | dpash: hell no hehe win2k all round |
| 21:35.39 | dpash | OrangeSkies: hmm okay that rules that out then |
| 21:36.08 | dpash | there is a thing called apt-zip, which creates a script which will download debs from a non debian machine |
| 21:36.19 | dpash | and then you carry them home on a zip disk etc |
| 21:36.25 | dpash | and then you can install them |
| 21:36.37 | dpash | I used to do that at uni |
| 21:36.44 | OrangeSkies | cool |
| 21:36.45 | eye69 | Heard about it, but never tried it. |
| 21:36.50 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: get a set from John |
| 21:36.52 | OrangeSkies | i might give it a go |
| 21:37.00 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: a set of what? |
| 21:37.06 | OrangeSkies | and who's john hehe |
| 21:37.06 | dpash | OrangeSkies: CDs |
| 21:37.11 | dpash | John Winters |
| 21:37.17 | OrangeSkies | oh... |
| 21:37.19 | dpash | linuxemporium.co.uk |
| 21:37.24 | Leeds | what he said :-) |
| 21:37.29 | OrangeSkies | hehe |
| 21:37.47 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: should have bought them from him yesterday |
| 21:37.50 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: One of those places all geeks should remember |
| 21:39.00 | Clyphox | back |
| 21:39.05 | OrangeSkies | i've not been seized by the geeky life style just yet |
| 21:39.25 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i'll just download cds 1-3 from college, that should do me fine |
| 21:39.41 | Clyphox | What is a "geeky" life-style? |
| 21:39.42 | OrangeSkies | is 'traceroute' a command that u need to install? |
| 21:39.48 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: shouldn't be |
| 21:40.21 | OrangeSkies | it says command not found when i try and run it |
| 21:40.22 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: are you tracerouting from root or user? |
| 21:40.29 | OrangeSkies | Clyphox: where computers take over ur life |
| 21:40.35 | OrangeSkies | imho hehe |
| 21:40.48 | OrangeSkies | Jenson: i tried both, it worked from neither |
| 21:40.55 | Jenson | it should work from root |
| 21:41.03 | eye69 | OrangeSkies: Find the traceroute package for your distribution |
| 21:41.12 | eye69 | What distribution is it? |
| 21:41.31 | OrangeSkies | debian 3.0 (not sure if it's r1) |
| 21:41.35 | eye69 | apt-get install traceroute |
| 21:41.39 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: or try typing tracert like you do for DOS |
| 21:41.59 | OrangeSkies | i don't have the install cd's for debian tho, resuDaed set it up for me with a borrowed set yesterday |
| 21:42.16 | *** join/#gllug new2unix (~new2unix@ACB34FBB.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:42.23 | eye69 | Run apt-setup, and choose FTP as source |
| 21:42.23 | Jenson | BRB |
| 21:42.36 | new2unix | hi all |
| 21:42.38 | OrangeSkies | Jenson: Leeds wants me to run it from linux to see if he can find out whats wrong with my connection |
| 21:42.39 | eye69 | OrangeSkies: Oh, we met yesterday |
| 21:42.52 | OrangeSkies | eye69: did we? |
| 21:42.53 | eye69 | OrangeSkies: I'm the one helping the guy with the discs with his laptop |
| 21:43.22 | OrangeSkies | eye69: shirt/tshirt colour might help me out more :) |
| 21:43.33 | eye69 | Black t-shirt, blue shirt, black jeans |
| 21:43.38 | eye69 | skinhead |
| 21:43.45 | OrangeSkies | ah... ur cds?! |
| 21:44.03 | eye69 | No, I was helping a guy with his laptop, and it was his cd's |
| 21:44.04 | OrangeSkies | oh wait |
| 21:44.06 | OrangeSkies | no no i remember now |
| 21:44.43 | OrangeSkies | was confusing you with that guy |
| 21:44.52 | OrangeSkies | seemed to remember him wearing something vaguely blue |
| 21:45.10 | Jenson | back |
| 21:45.16 | OrangeSkies | hi |
| 21:45.17 | eye69 | Oh |
| 21:45.38 | Clyphox | blerg.. |
| 21:45.48 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: That was either Pete or Paul I think you remember....in the Debian shirt |
| 21:45.54 | Jenson | blerg, Clyphox? |
| 21:46.12 | OrangeSkies | so how could i download the traceroute package from windows? (one of resuDaed's friends set up my windows drives to be mountable from linux) |
| 21:46.37 | OrangeSkies | Jenson: the old fella? |
| 21:46.47 | OrangeSkies | (no offence if youre watching lol) |
| 21:46.51 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: I dont think so lol |
| 21:46.59 | eye69 | OrangeSkies: You don't have a working connection in Linux? |
| 21:47.08 | Jenson | I kinda only paid attnetion to the younger ones |
| 21:47.26 | new2unix | jeez. i feel like an outsider for missing the Installfest :( |
| 21:47.40 | OrangeSkies | eye69: no, i can connect to my isp but can't get to websites/connect to irc etc |
| 21:47.42 | Leeds | eye69: he's trying to debug his connection |
| 21:47.58 | eye69 | Leeds: Oh. |
| 21:48.10 | OrangeSkies | it worked fine in mandrake :/ |
| 21:48.29 | Jenson | new2unix: You missed me being a twonkle, and Dan sitting on the floor in the middle of a room |
| 21:48.55 | new2unix | what was he doing on the floor? doing the cabling? lol |
| 21:48.59 | Jenson | nope |
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| 21:49.20 | new2unix | you werent wearinga mini were you? |
| 21:49.24 | Jenson | hey stephen |
| 21:49.26 | Jenson | nope |
| 21:49.34 | new2unix | hi Stephen |
| 21:49.36 | stephen | evening Jenson |
| 21:49.40 | stephen | and new2unix |
| 21:50.34 | Jenson | new2unix: You probably don't want to know how that situation transpired actually |
| 21:50.41 | new2unix | ok. i have to go. i ned to be up in 7hours. and idont intend to oversleep like i did on Saturday |
| 21:51.02 | Jenson | see ya new2unix |
| 21:51.08 | new2unix | bye all |
| 21:51.14 | stephen | cya |
| 21:54.05 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: can you think of anything else i could use to analyze what's going on with my connection? |
| 21:54.48 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: This may sound silly, but in Win, I had the same problem with internet explorer.....have you tried using different browsers? |
| 21:54.53 | eye69 | OrangeSkies: Can you ping your gateway? |
| 21:55.26 | OrangeSkies | Jenson: nah just mozilla, i guessed it was the connection after i couldn't connect to any irc servers either |
| 21:55.42 | OrangeSkies | eye69: i dunno, what is my gateway? |
| 21:55.52 | eye69 | OrangeSkies: After connecting, run 'route -n' |
| 21:56.05 | OrangeSkies | ok, what will that do? |
| 21:56.09 | eye69 | The line having the tag "UG" is your gateway., |
| 21:56.19 | OrangeSkies | aha |
| 21:56.22 | eye69 | 0.0.0.0 192.168.20.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:56.34 | eye69 | Ping the second IP. |
| 21:56.51 | OrangeSkies | ok |
| 21:56.56 | OrangeSkies | dammit where's me pen gone |
| 21:56.57 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: And do it in root |
| 21:57.21 | Jenson | Well, at least I have to do it in root |
| 21:57.29 | OrangeSkies | Ok, i will do |
| 21:57.29 | Jenson | But my system could be confgiured wrong |
| 21:57.34 | eye69 | Jenson: /sbin/route if you're not root |
| 21:57.52 | OrangeSkies | i'll try it out in a few minutes |
| 21:57.56 | Jenson | ooh ty eye69 |
| 21:58.04 | Jenson | I'm learning stuff today |
| 21:59.01 | eye69 | I've got all of it added to my users $PATH |
| 22:00.04 | stephen | eye69: you're gonna hate me, looks as if I'm getting a informal kinda job with a games server company |
| 22:00.22 | Clyphox | !!! |
| 22:00.35 | Clyphox | How does that work? |
| 22:01.20 | eye69 | stephen: Bah |
| 22:01.36 | stephen | Clyphox: i've been sysadmining one of their servers for a week and they offered to pay me for my services, which is nice |
| 22:01.57 | Jenson | stephen: Well, work is work |
| 22:02.53 | stephen | Jenson: yeah, it was just that eye69 and I had a lengthy conversation about games servers and #linux yesterday |
| 22:03.08 | Jenson | I see |
| 22:03.32 | Jenson | Damn I'm cold, I need a jumper |
| 22:04.25 | eye69 | Whoa, The Green Mile on on Channel 4. |
| 22:04.32 | eye69 | -on |
| 22:05.04 | stephen | that's a really cool movie |
| 22:05.52 | Jenson | I've never seen it |
| 22:05.58 | Jenson | I think my dad is watching it |
| 22:06.05 | eye69 | Jenson: Do. It's very good. |
| 22:07.05 | Jenson | Maybe I will sometime |
| 22:07.31 | eye69 | It just started |
| 22:07.47 | Jenson | I'm chatting now |
| 22:07.50 | Jenson | And I'm sleepy |
| 22:19.11 | OrangeSkies | Brb, gonna try out some stuff on my modem |
| 22:32.59 | *** part/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-151-44.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:36.09 | dpash | anyone left? |
| 22:37.10 | Leeds | nobosy here but us chickens |
| 22:37.43 | Clyphox | [nod] |
| 22:46.29 | dpash | argh only 94 words, need about 200 |
| 22:46.33 | dpash | argh |
| 22:46.44 | dpash | I was afraid that this would happen |
| 22:46.58 | Leeds | for? |
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| 22:47.58 | OrangeSkies | hi all |
| 22:48.17 | Clyphox | Hey |
| 22:49.03 | dpash | anyone seen tomorrow's date? |
| 22:49.11 | dpash | Leeds: OU course |
| 22:51.03 | Leeds | oh, right |
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| 22:56.24 | *** part/#gllug cupis (~paul@modem-2588.dasyure.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 22:56.31 | OrangeSkies | hey Leeds, i tried out traceroute on the ip u gave me but it gave a message identical to the one this guy has posted here... |
| 22:56.32 | *** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@modem-2588.dasyure.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 22:56.32 | OrangeSkies | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg22303.html |
| 22:56.43 | dpash | hi cupis |
| 22:56.49 | cupis | hi David |
| 22:57.10 | *** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@modem-2588.dasyure.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 22:57.14 | dpash | cupis: I have 94 out of 200 words for the first part of my coursework |
| 22:57.18 | Leeds | hmmmm... |
| 22:57.20 | dpash | er cupis |
| 22:57.20 | cupis | try that again, shall we? |
| 22:57.27 | dpash | I think you should |
| 22:57.31 | cupis | dpash: notes? |
| 22:57.35 | dpash | yeah |
| 22:57.40 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: it's a really hard thing to debug when you have to reboot to check anything :-( |
| 22:57.49 | dpash | I'm not entirely sure what else to put |
| 22:58.00 | cupis | dpash: what have you got so far? |
| 22:58.09 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i know :( it sucks |
| 22:58.22 | Leeds | kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders kill Flanders |
| 22:58.58 | OrangeSkies | this is what route -n returned: |
| 22:58.59 | OrangeSkies | Kernel IP routing table |
| 22:58.59 | OrangeSkies | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 22:58.59 | OrangeSkies | 213.120.78.86 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 22:59.03 | dpash | OrangeSkies: the only things that I can think of atm are that you have something firewalled or that you don't have netlink in your kernel |
| 22:59.17 | dpash | OrangeSkies: is that it? |
| 22:59.22 | Leeds | ugh, that's bad |
| 22:59.29 | OrangeSkies | nah i just didn't wanna paste the rest |
| 22:59.34 | OrangeSkies | it's pretty much the same tho hehe |
| 22:59.42 | dpash | OrangeSkies: we need to see all of it |
| 22:59.44 | OrangeSkies | 192.168.0.2 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 1 0 0 sl0 |
| 22:59.44 | OrangeSkies | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 22:59.44 | OrangeSkies | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 1 0 0 sl0 |
| 22:59.45 | Leeds | you've got to work with us |
| 22:59.52 | Leeds | sl??? |
| 22:59.54 | OrangeSkies | there u go |
| 23:00.14 | OrangeSkies | the kernels 2.2something |
| 23:00.30 | Clyphox | ohh. speaking of firewalls |
| 23:00.32 | Leeds | really? 2.2somethign? |
| 23:00.49 | OrangeSkies | so i'm told yeah |
| 23:00.55 | dpash | OrangeSkies: install kernel-image-2.4.18-<cpu> |
| 23:00.55 | Clyphox | Anyone got a nice little firewall script for a standalone box dialed via ppp? |
| 23:01.09 | Clyphox | I can't get mine going.. lazy |
| 23:01.16 | dpash | Clyphox: iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 23:01.25 | dpash | Clyphox: that whoudl work a trat |
| 23:01.26 | OrangeSkies | dpash: would that require the debian cds? |
| 23:01.28 | dpash | treat |
| 23:01.40 | dpash | OrangeSkies: er yeah, or an internet connection |
| 23:01.49 | OrangeSkies | lol |
| 23:02.04 | OrangeSkies | well i can download from xp and mount the hard disk from linux |
| 23:03.19 | OrangeSkies | i'm using win xp atm hehe |
| 23:03.49 | dpash | oh and my headache |
| 23:03.58 | cupis | dpash: are they related? |
| 23:04.19 | dpash | cupis: probably the starcraft that caused the latter |
| 23:04.21 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: for reference, "uname -a" will tell you exactly which kernel you're using |
| 23:04.39 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: ok, i'll check next time i run linux |
| 23:06.47 | Leeds | isn't sl a SLIP device? only reason I can think for that is that it's using diald... |
| 23:07.08 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: what's the IP of your machine? Do you have a network? |
| 23:07.41 | OrangeSkies | my IP changes everytime i connect |
| 23:07.57 | Leeds | cupis: he can get online, but can't get to any hosts |
| 23:07.57 | OrangeSkies | i run a network when my brother brings his pc to my house |
| 23:08.07 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: how do you actually know you're online? |
| 23:08.10 | dpash | OrangeSkies: http://www.davidpashley.com/tutorials/wvdial-pppd-dod.html |
| 23:08.21 | cupis | Leeds: DNS? Routing? |
| 23:08.27 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: kppp makes out like it's connected |
| 23:08.39 | Leeds | cupis: I think it's DNS, but it's very very slow when he has to reboot back into XP to talk to us |
| 23:08.41 | dpash | OrangeSkies: it will do |
| 23:08.43 | OrangeSkies | and says i've been connected for xxx amount of time |
| 23:08.54 | highbury | re |
| 23:09.03 | dpash | OrangeSkies: it is only checking that pppd is running |
| 23:09.06 | Leeds | hmm... don't trust kppp (don't trust anything with a k at the start! :-) |
| 23:09.17 | dpash | not that the connection actually works |
| 23:09.23 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: when you think you're connected, run "/sbin/ifconfig" and look for information about ppp0 |
| 23:09.24 | OrangeSkies | hmmmmm... |
| 23:09.26 | cupis | OrangeSkies: when it says you are connected, you need to check the contents of /etc/resolv.conf and the output of 'route', 'ifconfig -a' and 'host www.cisco.com' |
| 23:09.45 | OrangeSkies | ok |
| 23:10.25 | cupis | anyone else got some pet commands or files for OrangeSkies to check? |
| 23:10.28 | Leeds | everyone shout random advice at OrangeSkies! :-) |
| 23:10.32 | OrangeSkies | lol |
| 23:10.47 | cupis | OrangeSkies: if you have wvdial/wvdialconf, try using that to connect instead of kppp |
| 23:10.50 | Leeds | I like wget, screen and python, but that's not important right now... |
| 23:11.33 | dpash | cupis: kppp is a wrapper around wvdial |
| 23:11.37 | OrangeSkies | cupis: i've tried wvdial after configuring, the same thing happens |
| 23:11.44 | Leeds | yeah, but you also prefer debian, so I'm not listening to you :-) |
| 23:11.49 | cupis | oooo |
| 23:12.02 | cupis | ibot: lart Leeds with a handbag |
| 23:12.09 | cupis | duh! |
| 23:12.14 | cupis | :) |
| 23:12.19 | OrangeSkies | lol |
| 23:12.21 | Leeds | ibot lart cupis and the horse he rode in on |
| 23:12.34 | cupis | lol |
| 23:12.56 | Leeds | ibot brick OrangeSkies |
| 23:12.58 | | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on OrangeSkies and turns OrangeSkies into a brick |
| 23:13.03 | dpash | ibot lart both cupis and Leeds |
| 23:13.18 | Leeds | why does he always pick that one for me??? |
| 23:13.20 | cupis | ibot: kill dpash |
| 23:13.25 | | ACTION slits dpash's throat |
| 23:13.32 | OrangeSkies | :o |
| 23:13.32 | dpash | ibot: lart ibot |
| 23:13.33 | Leeds | ibot kill -9 dpash |
| 23:13.35 | | ACTION slits -9 dpash's throat |
| 23:13.44 | Clyphox | gah.. bloody blood |
| 23:13.52 | dpash | ibot: lart Clyphox |
| 23:13.54 | cupis | ibot: spray the channel with bullets from a machine gun |
| 23:13.55 | | wish i knew, cupis |
| 23:13.57 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: ibot-taunting is a common pasttime around here |
| 23:14.05 | Leeds | ibot dance |
| 23:14.05 | | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 23:14.11 | Leeds | ibot sing |
| 23:14.12 | | ACTION sings loudly |
| 23:14.21 | OrangeSkies | ibot hide |
| 23:14.22 | | OrangeSkies: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:14.26 | Clyphox | ibot learn sings sings the blues loadly |
| 23:14.27 | | Clyphox: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:14.28 | dpash | ibot: lart everyone apart form dpash |
| 23:14.29 | Clyphox | ibot learn sings sings the blues loudly |
| 23:14.30 | | Clyphox: no idea |
| 23:14.30 | OrangeSkies | awww loser |
| 23:14.37 | Clyphox | ahh.. |
| 23:15.16 | dpash | ibot: Leeds |
| 23:15.18 | | [leeds] a bloke called Richard in the UK or spending too much time playing with expensive electronic toys or a genius or whatever you want him to be |
| 23:15.23 | Leeds | ibot pies |
| 23:15.24 | | Leeds: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:15.27 | Leeds | ibot pie |
| 23:15.28 | | Leeds ate all the pies |
| 23:15.37 | Leeds | I have no idea who taught him that :-) |
| 23:15.39 | OrangeSkies | hate to get in the way of ur fun guys, but do u have any more suggestions before i reboot into linux? |
| 23:15.50 | dpash | OrangeSkies: a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:15.51 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: do you know ps? |
| 23:15.59 | dpash | ibot: cupis |
| 23:16.00 | | dpash: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:16.22 | OrangeSkies | dpash: that's an 8mb download :( i'll get it from college |
| 23:16.30 | dpash | OrangeSkies: okay |
| 23:16.31 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: ps? |
| 23:16.36 | dpash | I do recommend it though |
| 23:16.48 | dpash | OrangeSkies: I would just burn the 8 CDs |
| 23:18.02 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: run "ps aux" to get a detailed listing of everything running on your system - I'd suggest looking for references to ppp or diald in that list and let us know if you find anythig |
| 23:18.04 | OrangeSkies | dpash: i can download them from college too, we have writers in the tech department thankfully |
| 23:18.17 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: okay |
| 23:18.53 | OrangeSkies | i'm gonna go poke around now :/ thanks for ur help all, i'll cya in a bit |
| 23:19.00 | Leeds | bye |
| 23:20.10 | *** join/#gllug KMD (~mobile@host217-34-68-15.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:20.35 | KMD | Hiya people. |
| 23:20.38 | Leeds | evening |
| 23:20.42 | dpash | woot |
| 23:21.14 | KMD | Nice to be here. Any scsi users around ? |
| 23:21.21 | Leeds | yup |
| 23:21.31 | Clyphox | I have SCSI galore.. |
| 23:21.40 | Clyphox | 6 devices atm I think.. |
| 23:21.52 | Leeds | just sda for me :-) |
| 23:22.27 | KMD | Oh yeah ? hehehehe.... great !! Ever come across grub working well on a scsi boot ? |
| 23:23.14 | Leeds | never used grub |
| 23:24.09 | KMD | I dont want to either... Suse 8.1 defaults to it.... and my lovely lilo is laid low. lol |
| 23:24.11 | eye69 | Grub is actually very nice. |
| 23:24.34 | Leeds | I don't use suse either :-) |
| 23:25.16 | KMD | Bar , a little bug with SCSI drives, our grub. Damn |
| 23:25.26 | eye69 | 5 18GB SC SIdisks, 1 reader, 1 burner, 1 tapedrive, 2 MO drives |
| 23:25.31 | eye69 | All on the workstation :) |
| 23:25.59 | eye69 | KMD: Grub is working fine on my machine |
| 23:26.05 | eye69 | SCSI dualboot |
| 23:26.37 | KMD | 5 fujitsu MAN here... and cant get a boot from lilo. Grub everywhere. |
| 23:26.57 | eye69 | I've got 1 IBM and 4 Fujitsu MAE |
| 23:27.13 | eye69 | KMD: What's the ID config? |
| 23:27.20 | Leeds | (whoa, I've got Fear Factor on in the background - they're gassing competitors) |
| 23:27.23 | eye69 | Why run lilo? |
| 23:27.26 | KMD | And where is your boot ? hda or sda ? |
| 23:27.45 | eye69 | sdb |
| 23:27.53 | KMD | id0 ,of course... has been so for 2 years. |
| 23:28.13 | KMD | sda, of course, I meant. |
| 23:28.53 | KMD | lilo can see past most partition borders... |
| 23:29.41 | dpash | but can it boot kernels you haven't told it about? |
| 23:29.48 | Clyphox | I can't boot off my scsi due to bios issues.. only know lilo anyway sry |
| 23:30.01 | Leeds | I boot off scsi using lilo |
| 23:31.02 | KMD | Lilo is no problem... just grub being the default loader in SuSE 8.1 Wasn't so before this release. |
| 23:31.38 | KMD | Once in, I can switch over... Just getting there is the prob. |
| 23:32.04 | Leeds | boot from a rescue disk and use that to install lilo |
| 23:32.25 | dpash | KMD: grub allows you to run a command line |
| 23:32.55 | dpash | what is your problem with it exactly? |
| 23:33.06 | KMD | Doen't work...... because /etc/sysconfig/kernel has a slight prob, in 8.1 of being overwritten. |
| 23:33.21 | dpash | not sure i understand |
| 23:33.27 | dpash | how does it not work |
| 23:33.39 | dpash | does it not find your kernel? |
| 23:33.51 | KMD | I know..... it's a known bug for us SuSE user. |
| 23:33.53 | dpash | does it not get installed in the mbr? |
| 23:34.03 | highbury | KMD: I'm using SCSI and SuSE 8.1 |
| 23:34.09 | highbury | and grub |
| 23:34.25 | dpash | KMD: is it the machien you are usig now? |
| 23:34.26 | KMD | It does install... but cant work...if you're using scsi |
| 23:34.37 | highbury | my only problem is it not detecting my IDE drive for booting from |
| 23:34.37 | dpash | KMD: grub works fine with SCSI |
| 23:34.43 | KMD | I'm on another. |
| 23:34.50 | dpash | are you booting from IDE or SCSI? |
| 23:34.58 | dpash | where is your kernel |
| 23:35.05 | dpash | your /boot partition? |
| 23:35.29 | KMD | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.29 | dpash | KMD: boot the machine and get a grub prompt |
| 23:35.55 | highbury | I'm a SCSI SuSE user and I have no problem KMD |
| 23:36.00 | KMD | You'll get the prompt alright... And it locks up. |
| 23:36.28 | dpash | KMD: you should get it to sit at the prompt, not choosing any option in the menu |
| 23:36.36 | KMD | highness... what install did you use in 8.1. Fresh ? |
| 23:36.42 | highbury | just hit <esc> |
| 23:37.03 | highbury | I always install fully, rather than upgrade |
| 23:37.21 | dpash | and then runs away |
| 23:37.22 | highbury | I like to keep at least one working config |
| 23:37.32 | KMD | OK..Highbury will try that. |
| 23:37.43 | highbury | and not rely on debian crap :-p |
| 23:38.02 | highbury | KMD so you upgraded? |
| 23:38.19 | KMD | Dont worry about that. hehehe.... thought apt works well now on suse. |
| 23:38.55 | dpash | KMD: apt isn;t debian strenght |
| 23:39.20 | cupis | dpash: have you seen my email? |
| 23:39.32 | dpash | cupis: to who? |
| 23:39.42 | cupis | dpash: to santa |
| 23:39.48 | dpash | cupis: no |
| 23:39.50 | KMD | apt is good, I know... but not for this situation. |
| 23:39.52 | cupis | to you re: irssi-s cvs |
| 23:39.53 | *** join/#gllug OrangeSkies (OrangeSkie@ppp-225-58-173.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 23:39.56 | dpash | haven't seent that one |
| 23:39.57 | OrangeSkies | hi |
| 23:40.01 | cupis | wb OrangeSkies |
| 23:40.15 | OrangeSkies | ty |
| 23:40.43 | OrangeSkies | root 203 0.0 0.2 1728 708 ? S< 23:29 0:00 /usr/sbin/diald -f /var/cache/diald/options.dsl-provider <--- dsl? |
| 23:40.55 | cupis | dpash: 379 F Mar 02 To David Pashle ( 26) Problems with irssi-snapshot? |
| 23:41.10 | Leeds | diald? whoa, that's pretty unnecessary noawadays |
| 23:41.15 | cupis | Subject: Problems with irssi-snapshot? |
| 23:41.19 | cupis | Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:15:05 +0000 |
| 23:41.19 | cupis | even |
| 23:41.31 | dpash | cupis: not sure what problem I was talking about |
| 23:41.43 | dpash | the package is evil as you've seen, but nothing in particular |
| 23:42.02 | dpash | I'll get back to working on it tomorrow as I've had OU stuff recently |
| 23:42.20 | cupis | dpash: okay - what I said in the email might be worth taking note of - should make life a little easier |
| 23:42.46 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i get the message 'Starting ISDN services...' then 'Error starting ISDN services, please configure 'hisax' with modconf' as well :/ what isdn services? |
| 23:42.57 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: that's at startup btw |
| 23:42.59 | Leeds | isdn shouldn't matter... |
| 23:43.11 | dpash | cupis: yeah I probably will do something like that (or just run find -name Makefile.in -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 23:43.15 | dpash | ) |
| 23:43.22 | OrangeSkies | oh okayt |
| 23:43.23 | cupis | someone installed task-dialup... |
| 23:43.45 | dpash | OrangeSkies: apt-get --purge remove diald |
| 23:44.07 | dpash | Leeds: read my tutorial for replacing diald with pppd and wvdial |
| 23:44.09 | OrangeSkies | dpash: ok, sounds good to me |
| 23:44.25 | cupis | OrangeSkies: apt-get remove --purge isdn.* |
| 23:44.25 | Leeds | dpash: I don't care - I like pppd :-) |
| 23:44.45 | OrangeSkies | cupis: the more the merrier muhaha |
| 23:44.46 | dpash | Leeds: I like pppd. I don't like diald |
| 23:44.54 | OrangeSkies | anything else i can uninstall? |
| 23:45.27 | highbury | have you tried kinternet? |
| 23:45.36 | dpash | OrangeSkies: gnome-core? |
| 23:45.39 | OrangeSkies | no? |
| 23:45.50 | OrangeSkies | dpash: sorry, what does that mean? |
| 23:45.51 | cupis | highbury: kinternet? |
| 23:45.58 | dpash | OrangeSkies: ignore me |
| 23:46.06 | OrangeSkies | dpash: what was that |
| 23:46.10 | cupis | dpash: #183147 |
| 23:46.11 | OrangeSkies | (har har) |
| 23:46.11 | highbury | nice KDE dialup tool |
| 23:46.24 | OrangeSkies | highbury: chances are, i won't have it installed |
| 23:46.42 | OrangeSkies | 2.2.20-idepci <--- my kernel btw |
| 23:46.46 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: I recommend wvdial |
| 23:46.49 | Leeds | 2.2.20? ugh |
| 23:47.02 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i've tried that as well, same thing |
| 23:47.13 | eye69 | OrangeSkies: What CPU do you have? |
| 23:47.23 | OrangeSkies | why am i so out of date? resuDaed only installed everything for me yesterday... |
| 23:47.28 | OrangeSkies | P4 |
| 23:47.35 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: get rid of diald - try wvdial *instead* |
| 23:47.43 | eye69 | OrangeSkies: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 |
| 23:47.47 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: ok |
| 23:48.10 | cupis | eye69: dialup, and OrangeSkies doesn't want to/can't d/l that now. |
| 23:48.16 | Leeds | eye69: we're trying to debug his net connection, which is dead - he's using winxp now - and he's on dialup |
| 23:48.20 | OrangeSkies | eye69: i need to dl the kernel from college tomorrow, i can't download all 8mb of it tonight |
| 23:48.21 | eye69 | Didn't think about that |
| 23:49.02 | Leeds | eye69: well maybe you should have! :-) |
| 23:49.07 | cupis | OrangeSkies: so when you ran kppp, what was the content of /etc/resolv.conf and the output of route? |
| 23:49.08 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-53-124.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:49.11 | OrangeSkies | lol |
| 23:49.23 | OrangeSkies | wb Jenson |
| 23:49.26 | Jenson | ty |
| 23:49.36 | OrangeSkies | cupis: i knew i forgot something :) this is route: |
| 23:49.37 | Jenson | Honestly...it didn't just take me an hour to reconnect... |
| 23:49.45 | OrangeSkies | Kernel IP routing table |
| 23:49.45 | OrangeSkies | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 23:49.45 | OrangeSkies | 213.120.78.77 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 23:49.45 | OrangeSkies | 192.168.0.2 * 255.255.255.255 UH 1 0 0 sl0 |
| 23:49.45 | OrangeSkies | localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 23:49.45 | OrangeSkies | default * 0.0.0.0 U 1 0 0 sl0 |
| 23:50.15 | cupis | OrangeSkies: slip? |
| 23:50.17 | dpash | diald is causing you issues there |
| 23:50.32 | dpash | cupis: iirc diald uses a slip connection |
| 23:50.32 | cupis | OrangeSkies: what sort of modem do you have? |
| 23:50.35 | OrangeSkies | cupis: when i run modconf it says it's installed |
| 23:50.47 | cupis | ibot: lart slip |
| 23:51.00 | OrangeSkies | cupis: what d'you mean? sorry for being dumb |
| 23:51.07 | cupis | OrangeSkies: it says _what_ is installed? |
| 23:51.13 | cupis | oh slip |
| 23:51.16 | OrangeSkies | it's not a winmodem as far i know btw |
| 23:51.18 | OrangeSkies | yeah |
| 23:51.52 | cupis | OrangeSkies: okay. It appears that having diald installed may be causing you problems. You should really remove it and either yuse ppp directly, or wvdial/kppp. |
| 23:52.18 | OrangeSkies | cupis: ok, i'll go try it out now |
| 23:52.19 | dpash | we all seem to vote for wvdial |
| 23:52.32 | OrangeSkies | dpash: it seemed friendly when i ran it |
| 23:52.38 | OrangeSkies | wish me luck :) |
| 23:52.43 | OrangeSkies | bbs! |
| 23:52.44 | cupis | dpash: wvdial, pon/pppd, kppp, whatever |
| 23:52.49 | cupis | gl OrangeSkies |
| 23:52.51 | Jenson | i use kppp |
| 23:52.59 | OrangeSkies | ty bye all!!! |
| 23:53.11 | cupis | Jenson: you use slack |
| 23:53.25 | Jenson | I do |
| 23:53.28 | dpash | cupis: using chat is not the easist thing in the world |
| 23:53.42 | dpash | Jenson: did you pick up a knoppix cd? |
| 23:53.45 | cupis | kinternet is suse only by the look of things? |
| 23:53.56 | Jenson | dpash: No, I kinda got distracted |
| 23:54.10 | Jenson | I did nothing geek all day lol |
| 23:54.46 | Jenson | My mate will kill me. I told her I'd be back in a second...arrived back an hour later and she's gone offline |
| 23:57.03 | dpash | Jenson: my boss was very impressed with knoppix |
| 23:57.14 | dpash | ibot: lart smile.co.uk |
| 23:57.48 | Jenson | dpash: I decided that whoever said geeks aren't cute was mad |
| 23:58.18 | highbury | right on! we're all cute! :) |