| 00:11.26 | *** join/#gllug resuDaed_ (tom@pc-80-193-187-194-en.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:12.26 | resuDaed_ssh | evening all |
| 00:12.54 | resuDaed_ssh | ping everyone |
| 00:13.03 | murble | pong |
| 00:13.25 | Leeds | pong |
| 00:14.43 | resuDaed_ssh | murble : do you know the modem command to dial out, but not attempt to detect a carrier? (ie so that a phone can be picked up on the same line, then the modem hang up and no horrible noises)? |
| 00:14.51 | resuDaed_ssh | or Leeds for that matter |
| 00:15.30 | Leeds | I think I used to use atd |
| 00:16.18 | Leeds | when I wrote myself a dialler in tcl/tk about 6 years ago :-) |
| 00:17.12 | davilion | poong |
| 00:17.56 | resuDaed_ssh | davilion : a moment ago I had 5 seconds lag |
| 00:18.06 | resuDaed_ssh | thanks Leeds |
| 00:19.10 | pdr | atdt for tone dialling |
| 00:19.13 | pdr | pong |
| 00:19.15 | pdr | :) |
| 00:19.41 | resuDaed_ssh | pdr : but if you use atdt it will attempt to detect a carrier |
| 00:19.46 | davilion | yeah but if you atdt it will then try to negotiate |
| 00:19.56 | pdr | oh ok |
| 00:20.13 | pdr | so you can just use 'atd123'? |
| 00:21.11 | pdr | iirc, you have to do 'atdt123' or 'atdd123' the latter for decadin dialling |
| 00:22.59 | resuDaed_ssh | I shall check |
| 00:25.24 | Leeds | the t is pretty much optional now |
| 00:25.54 | Leeds | I think it will listen for a carrier, but not try to initiate a connection - there's probably an S register you can play with |
| 00:28.10 | pdr | Leeds: that sounds more like it |
| 00:30.13 | Leeds | I have many things "somewhere in my flat" - doesn't mean I can produce them |
| 00:30.54 | resuDaed_ssh | ok, /me has a problem ... |
| 00:31.11 | resuDaed_ssh | 2 serial ports, 1 serial mouse, 1 unconfigured cisco router and an external modem |
| 00:31.26 | resuDaed_ssh | :( |
| 00:31.38 | Leeds | do without the mouse |
| 00:32.05 | Leeds | assuming it's only temporary while you configure the router |
| 00:33.09 | davilion | http://docs.kde.org/en/3.1/kdenetwork/kppp/appendix-hayes-commands.html |
| 00:33.52 | Leeds | who'd have thought it - something useful from KDE :-) |
| 00:36.09 | Leeds | anyway - bedtime... good luck, resuDaed |
| 01:08.59 | highbury | any sign of any emails on the list yet? |
| 01:10.08 | resuDaed | highbury : I was wondering the same thing |
| 01:10.34 | resuDaed | I havn't checked my emails in 12 hours, and nothing new has arrived ... confused the hell out of me |
| 02:09.47 | pdr | night all |
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| 08:13.41 | pdr | morning |
| 08:30.16 | Tarragon | Morning Pete |
| 08:37.45 | pdr | is it just me or is it very severely smoggy today? |
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| 08:44.31 | Rebecca | hi John |
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| 08:58.06 | dank_work | Morning |
| 09:05.30 | Tarragon | Hello Rebecca - No school today? |
| 09:12.09 | dpash | hi all |
| 09:16.26 | Tarragon | Hi dpash |
| 09:17.59 | SpudULike | Teachers strike, hence no word about the book day. |
| 09:18.41 | SpudULike | dpash: Next time you see me, look more closely! |
| 09:21.04 | dpash | SpudULike: were you there on Saturday? |
| 09:21.13 | dpash | SpudULike: any pictures? |
| 09:21.27 | SpudULike | Of Saturday? |
| 09:21.35 | dpash | or anything |
| 09:21.38 | dpash | [09:12] [OPN] -!- Rebecca [~Colin@80-193-177-195.cable.ubr01.ca.blueyonder.co.uk] |
| 09:21.49 | dpash | so are you rebecca or colin or what? |
| 09:22.02 | Tarragon | dpash: The twitching eyes, the constant strain to stay awake, the temper forever about to vary, or he crossdresses - hard to say really |
| 09:22.14 | SpudULike | ;-) |
| 09:23.43 | SpudULike | You remember the poor sod that no one would open the door for so that he could get into the downstairs bar with three pints? |
| 09:23.54 | dpash | ah yes |
| 09:23.54 | SpudULike | That wasn't me. |
| 09:24.04 | dpash | oh |
| 09:24.06 | Tarragon | http://www.spudulike.me.uk/~colin/Grrrweek.jpeg |
| 09:24.43 | dpash | right, so you like to be rebecca at times? |
| 09:25.07 | dpash | I go with Tarragon's cross-dressing theory |
| 09:31.57 | dpash | Tarragon: was there a page with regulars? |
| 09:33.04 | Tarragon | Not really as most do not like their picture taken. |
| 09:33.09 | dpash | lol |
| 09:33.23 | Tarragon | I will try to add them to the Gllug page. |
| 09:33.38 | Tarragon | Entering the Zope system now. |
| 09:37.23 | dpash | maybe we could use wiki |
| 09:42.49 | *** join/#gllug Davilion (~irvined@adsl-239-121.as15758.net) |
| 09:46.02 | dank_work | Hey dave |
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| 09:54.27 | dpash | hi teaset |
| 09:55.15 | Davilion | hiya |
| 09:56.26 | SpudULike | What is meant by a 'cmmi procedure'? |
| 09:56.54 | Tarragon | SpudULike: No linking page yet but can you check to see if http://gllug.linux.co.uk/images/Gallery/Dankolb.png loads? |
| 09:57.22 | dank_work | which one is me? |
| 09:58.04 | Tarragon | Cmmi = the best process improvement models available for product and service development and maintenance |
| 09:59.15 | Tarragon | Send me a better photo and we can use it. Do we want a section for IRC faces? |
| 10:03.54 | cup | morning |
| 10:04.13 | dpash | Tarragon: there is a problem with that png |
| 10:04.22 | dpash | my browser renders it with a blur |
| 10:04.33 | Tarragon | OK Tarragon.png uploaded.... |
| 10:05.27 | SpudULike | dpash: Your browser! Some of us see the world like that, and like it that way! |
| 10:05.28 | Tarragon | No Crap camera. Blur because my hands shake, I was drunk, Do you really want images of IRCers |
| 10:07.14 | dpash | Tarragon: damn yeah |
| 10:15.13 | SpudULike | Why, have they come into the room? |
| 10:16.59 | dpash | ibot ping |
| 10:17.04 | | pong |
| 10:17.17 | dpash | wow 49.50 lag |
| 10:24.15 | SpudULike | You do all know that instant coffee is there just to give you enough energy to make real coffee! |
| 10:35.18 | dank_work | :) |
| 10:35.46 | dank_work | Tarragon: You might be able to find a better picture of me in my FOSDEM photos |
| 10:43.59 | SpudULike | If we are going to have an image gallery then it really needs to be up to everyone to choose their own image. some might not even want to have a real image at all. |
| 10:48.27 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~cobrin@sc-gw4.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 10:50.59 | dank_work | pdr: Have some ones of you on FOSDEM pics |
| 10:51.03 | dank_work | hi highbury |
| 10:51.49 | dpash | thanks Leeds |
| 10:53.41 | dpash | and they are both bad |
| 10:53.59 | dpash | in one I'm comatosed and in the other one I am deranged |
| 10:54.24 | dank_work | :) |
| 10:54.35 | dpash | bloody machine OOPSed due to CD rom |
| 10:55.07 | dank_work | Hehe |
| 10:55.23 | dpash | and I was in the middle of reading LWN |
| 10:55.53 | dank_work | Sounds like a Windows system |
| 10:58.13 | pdr | dank_work: url? |
| 10:58.26 | dank_work | http://eco.li/photos/FOSDEM-2003/ |
| 10:59.36 | highbury | hi.. Homechoice kicked me off :-( |
| 10:59.49 | dank_work | But they let you back on? |
| 11:00.39 | highbury | apparently they put info on Status page! Fat lot of good, if you need the Internet to access it! |
| 11:01.00 | dank_work | Backup dialup |
| 11:14.06 | dpash | w00t democracy in action |
| 11:15.23 | SpudULike | If elected, what self interests are you going to inflict on the poor parishioners? |
| 11:15.41 | dank_work | Debi*n, probably |
| 11:15.51 | dpash | cheaper housing |
| 11:16.18 | dpash | I've lived here for nearly 24 years |
| 11:16.21 | SpudULike | ... with full 'net connectivity? |
| 11:16.23 | dpash | I can't afford to by a house |
| 11:16.34 | dpash | SpudULike: we don't even have a trigger level |
| 11:16.39 | dpash | SpudULike: would be nice |
| 11:16.54 | dpash | I will try to advertise broadband |
| 11:17.24 | dpash | we will have 350 new houses coming to the village |
| 11:17.41 | dpash | I will try to make sure that some (most?) are affordable for young people |
| 11:18.02 | dpash | not really |
| 11:18.16 | dpash | it may be a village, but a bloody large one |
| 11:18.26 | SpudULike | No, they have a story line similar. |
| 11:18.27 | dpash | we have about 3000 people here |
| 11:18.34 | dpash | with an airfield and a university |
| 11:18.40 | SpudULike | Hey, Ambridge is global!!! |
| 11:18.46 | dpash | SpudULike: oh I wouldn't know |
| 11:20.04 | SpudULike | Where are you? |
| 11:20.19 | dpash | between beford and milton keynes |
| 11:20.47 | dpash | up north ;) |
| 11:22.08 | SpudULike | I've been up north ... |
| 11:22.17 | SpudULike | ... it was shut when I got there. |
| 11:22.47 | dpash | LOL |
| 11:23.18 | SpudULike | (That's not strictly true - there are some places always open and welcoming (says he back-peddling desperately. |
| 11:31.56 | SpudULike | Is it north of the North Circular? |
| 11:32.10 | murble | north of watford HTH, HAND |
| 11:35.30 | dpash | oh and I'll try to keep the website up to date |
| 11:35.41 | dpash | the last update to the parish council website was in 2001 |
| 11:36.57 | SpudULike | What we all want to know is what your first abuse of power is going to be? |
| 11:37.10 | dpash | legalise brothels |
| 11:37.39 | SpudULike | You have sex in Bedfordshire? |
| 11:37.44 | dpash | oh yes |
| 11:37.51 | pdr | this dude (http://eco.li/photos/FOSDEM-2003/Pages/Image64.html) is the linux format guy isn't it? |
| 11:38.54 | Tarragon | No that's Patrick from Belgium |
| 11:39.07 | pdr | oh |
| 11:39.39 | Tarragon | murble: Is that correct? What does Patrick do? |
| 11:40.39 | murble | he stole my old job in lux. |
| 11:48.27 | dpash | bitter? |
| 11:48.37 | dank_work | lager |
| 11:48.43 | Tarragon | Pint of best sure |
| 11:48.54 | dank_work | Bah. Guinness drinker. |
| 11:52.23 | murble | dpash: nope, i told him about the job possiibility etc. |
| 12:09.41 | pdr | mmmm.. stout |
| 12:09.57 | Tarragon | You calling me fat! |
| 12:10.33 | murble | aren't you? |
| 12:11.22 | Tarragon | Well - Yeah. but .... |
| 12:12.50 | dank_work | You don't look fat |
| 12:14.00 | Tarragon | Feel it at the moment. Too much food not enough beer |
| 12:25.19 | pdr | lol |
| 12:25.20 | pdr | two blokes walk into a pub. one says to the other 'Your round'. the other: 'So are you, ya fat bastard!' |
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| 12:27.06 | dank_work | :) |
| 12:27.52 | dank_work | Two fish are in a tank. One says to the other and says 'do you know how to drive this thing?' |
| 12:31.52 | pdr | why did the boy fall down the stairs? |
| 12:36.09 | dank_work | ... |
| 12:37.38 | dank_work | go on |
| 12:48.08 | dank_work | good luck, mate |
| 12:48.35 | resuDaed | I cant wait for real work whenh they pa you the same for half the time |
| 12:49.03 | resuDaed | at least I get time to read ... current boook is unix power tools |
| 12:49.15 | resuDaed | damn fine book |
| 12:49.31 | dank_work | Hehe. |
| 12:49.46 | dank_work | You did send off for the sysadmin job? |
| 12:49.55 | resuDaed | yes |
| 12:49.59 | dank_work | Good :) |
| 12:55.54 | dpash | anyone know how to create entities to XML? |
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| 13:05.05 | resuDaed | sory I am not an XML programmer |
| 13:06.55 | SpudULike | :-) just for Leeds. |
| 13:08.27 | Leeds | huh? |
| 13:08.45 | Leeds | I'm trying to work out why that appeared in both the server tab and the channel tab :-) |
| 13:09.15 | SpudULike | Dunno, only did it so you'ld get a graphical smiley. |
| 13:09.24 | Leeds | yup, that works... |
| 13:10.33 | Leeds | hmm... ctrl-+ doesn't make the fonts bigger :-( |
| 13:11.07 | SpudULike | Can it cope with (-: :-) |
| 13:12.03 | Leeds | I got bracket-dash-colon followed by a smiley |
| 13:13.23 | SpudULike | Sad, it's only a left hand smiley for those who are left handed. |
| 13:19.22 | SpudULike | Who's to say pdr was telling a joke. He might still be attending to the poor chap. |
| 13:19.56 | dank_work | :) |
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| 13:24.02 | SpudULike | Hmmm, has the GLLUG list died, last message I got was Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:43:30 -0000 (GMT) |
| 13:24.40 | SpudULike | Though it could have been Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:16:44 +0000 |
| 13:24.47 | SpudULike | als.o |
| 13:24.50 | dank_work | Hmm. |
| 13:25.03 | dank_work | You seem to be right |
| 13:25.18 | SpudULike | I new that time would come. |
| 13:26.59 | pdr | dank_work: coz he had no legs |
| 13:27.16 | dank_work | That was almost worth waiting for :) |
| 13:32.33 | Leeds | SpudULike: it was yesterday morning it died :-( |
| 13:34.47 | pdr | :~) |
| 13:35.06 | pdr | oops, that should have been :~( |
| 13:38.50 | pdr | dpash: you do it with a <!ENTITIES> definition in the <!DOCTYPE> tag. |
| 13:39.22 | dank_work | XML programmers do it with <!ENTITIES> |
| 13:39.36 | Leeds | ooh - the list seems to be back... |
| 13:39.51 | Leeds | I've just got mail dated tomorrow! |
| 13:40.24 | pdr | dpash: e.g. <!DOCTYPE mydoctype [ <!ENTITY % myentity ... > ]> |
| 13:42.26 | pdr | Leeds: but check the timezone |
| 13:44.20 | Leeds | pdr: yeah, I know |
| 13:51.26 | Tarragon | OK added .png images for Agk, Cupis, Dankolb, Dpash, Eye69, Huhn, Jenson, Leeds, Murble, Nisodaemon, Pdr, Resudaed, Spudulike, Steev, Stig, Tarragon, Zachary. Does anyone have better images. Most stolen from Leeds and Dan. Could do with image of Highbury plus others. |
| 13:51.35 | Tarragon | :-) |
| 13:51.51 | Leeds | Tarragon: where? |
| 13:52.07 | Davilion | afternoon all |
| 13:52.10 | dank_work | hey Davilion |
| 13:52.44 | Tarragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.32 | dank_work | Can we have an index? |
| 13:54.08 | Tarragon | Yes once we have enough images and removed those people don't want. |
| 13:56.10 | dank_work | Tarragon: If you're going to use Leeds with the silly face, it's only fair you should have you with a silly face too :) |
| 13:57.04 | Tarragon | You took the photo! Send me another |
| 13:57.19 | SpudULike | How is that MORE possible? |
| 13:58.01 | dank_work | http://eco.li/photos/FOSDEM-2003/Pages/Image15.html |
| 13:58.17 | highbury | Tarragon: trying to send you piccy |
| 13:58.25 | Tarragon | Sorry highbury my side of dcc is broke :-( |
| 14:00.27 | Tarragon | dank_work: Ouch! |
| 14:01.25 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:04.16 | dank_work | Tarragon: If you want better photos of Jenson, try http://eco.li/photos/Beki/ |
| 14:07.46 | SpudULike | I'm still waiting to see this Beki. |
| 14:08.21 | Tarragon | Jenson reloaded |
| 14:08.22 | dank_work | Didn't you see her on Saturday? |
| 14:08.48 | SpudULike | I was told she wasn't there. |
| 14:09.08 | dank_work | She was |
| 14:09.26 | SpudULike | For long? |
| 14:09.40 | dank_work | Until about 4 |
| 14:09.57 | SpudULike | Oh, did she have fun? |
| 14:10.20 | dank_work | too much *mutter* |
| 14:11.16 | SpudULike | Yeah, I thought there was too much of that too. |
| 14:12.18 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:13.07 | Tarragon | Gllug mail coming through now. |
| 14:13.29 | dpash | pdr: dank_work: cheers |
| 14:13.47 | dank_work | Err. You're welcome... |
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| 14:15.31 | highbury | what happened to mail list then Tarragon? |
| 14:15.37 | zimm | w00h00 my login works again !! |
| 14:15.47 | dank_work | someone broke it, probably |
| 14:16.29 | Tarragon | Err - Cronjob disabled while spammer dealt with. Not switched back on. |
| 14:23.15 | highbury | anybody recommend and Windows based download manager for ftp site? I find opera keeps stopping half way through |
| 14:24.27 | dank_work | GetRight ? |
| 14:24.36 | dank_work | wget for Windows? |
| 14:24.45 | highbury | apologies for having to use Windows for this, but its the only way I can get the best throughput, via HomeChoice |
| 14:24.55 | dank_work | Excuses. |
| 14:25.23 | highbury | check out logo on www.google.com |
| 14:25.28 | dank_work | yeah |
| 14:26.04 | dank_work | Is it Michaelangelo's birthday today? |
| 14:27.45 | SpudULike | Michael who? |
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| 14:28.39 | dank_work | SpudULike: Teenage Mutant {Ninja|Hero} Turtle |
| 14:31.15 | Tarragon | Huhn.png reloaded |
| 14:32.15 | zimm | Tarragon: did you put the installfest pics online ?? if so where ? |
| 14:32.46 | Tarragon | No pics of the installfest |
| 14:33.04 | zimm | oh |
| 14:33.06 | SpudULike | Oh yeah, I remember - Michelangelo's Pietas |
| 14:33.07 | SpudULike | |Pizza |
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| 14:33.51 | dank_work | hi nasrat |
| 14:33.57 | zimm | Tarragon: thought you were taking pics ?.. sure someone was .. |
| 14:34.02 | nasrat | lo |
| 14:34.03 | pdr | dpash: np |
| 14:34.49 | Leeds | Tarragon: I prefer my pic of Huhn :-) |
| 14:35.01 | dpash | Tarragon: where are pics? |
| 14:35.38 | *** part/#gllug highbury (~cobrin@sc-gw4.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 14:36.48 | dank_work | agk might have been taking pictures |
| 14:37.10 | dpash | Tarragon: why png? |
| 14:37.40 | Tarragon | Cos .ogg version was not available. |
| 14:37.43 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@beryllium.eu.sun.com) |
| 14:38.07 | dpash | Tarragon: png is not really suitable for pictures |
| 14:38.15 | dpash | you might as well use gif |
| 14:38.22 | dank_work | ibot lart dpash |
| 14:39.01 | SpudULike | I happen to think that png improves my skin tones! |
| 14:39.17 | dank_work | No, that's Photoshop. |
| 14:40.12 | zimm | lol |
| 14:40.43 | dpash | so why not jpg? |
| 14:42.58 | zimm | hehe ,.. |
| 14:46.04 | Leeds | may I present: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/quiz/trumps/index.shtml |
| 14:46.15 | dank_work | It's back to 'normal' now, but when they rev up... :( |
| 14:47.00 | dank_work | Bah. Flash. |
| 14:47.04 | dank_work | No wonder he ran away |
| 14:47.16 | dank_work | ARGH. Fucking server! |
| 14:47.29 | zimm | stressed Dan ? |
| 14:47.39 | dank_work | A bit :) |
| 14:47.45 | dank_work | Thanks :) |
| 14:48.06 | nasrat | dank_work: I know how you feel |
| 14:48.50 | dank_work | These fans are too noisy |
| 14:50.31 | zimm | water cooling ? |
| 14:51.14 | dank_work | *thud* *thud* bloody fans |
| 14:52.58 | zimm | hmm , right im off ,, better attend a lecture seeing as i ran the gauntlet of 5 train stops without a ticket to get here .. laters ... |
| 14:54.35 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:54.36 | dank_work | have fun |
| 14:54.59 | dank_work | Oh, and you might not want to admit on a publically logged channel to skipping train fares |
| 14:55.29 | dank_work | After all, they're obliged to keep data for a long time, now |
| 14:56.02 | zimm | hell , ive already admitted to shit on this chgannel that could get me locked up ,, i think skipping a 2 quid train fare is kinda irrelevant on the light of this ,,, |
| 14:56.02 | pdr | ibot lart the world |
| 14:56.10 | dank_work | I guess :) |
| 14:56.13 | zimm | not to mention the fact that i could be talking complete shite |
| 14:56.17 | dank_work | Anyway, no-one actually reads the logs |
| 14:56.35 | dank_work | Yeah, as long as you don't mention you're a member of Al-Qaeda |
| 14:56.37 | zimm | anyway .. |
| 14:56.40 | zimm | err .. |
| 14:56.57 | zimm | damn , where IS my membership card ,, Osama sent me a new one last week , im susre of it |
| 14:57.03 | zimm | bleh |
| 14:57.05 | zimm | laters .. |
| 14:57.06 | dank_work | hehe |
| 14:57.08 | dank_work | c'ya man |
| 14:57.15 | zimm | Self Sexuality and Spirit is beckoning ,,, |
| 14:57.31 | zimm | crap course title or WHAT ?!!!?!?? |
| 14:57.38 | dank_work | Self sexuality? |
| 14:57.44 | dpash | zimm: isn't that wanking? |
| 14:57.50 | dank_work | dpash: Well put. |
| 14:58.02 | dank_work | Well, it's philosophy. so probably discussing wanking |
| 14:58.06 | zimm | ok , so i missed a coma , out , it should be Self, Sexuality and Spirit |
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| 14:58.19 | dpash | zimm: same thing |
| 14:58.31 | zimm | dank_work: i prefer the term "mental masturbation" |
| 14:58.36 | dank_work | That'd work too |
| 14:58.37 | zimm | shit im late .. |
| 14:58.40 | dank_work | GO! |
| 14:58.42 | dank_work | RUN! |
| 14:58.45 | zimm | grrr.. fsckin network ,, |
| 14:58.52 | dpash | run away! run away! |
| 14:58.55 | zimm | cant logout now |
| 14:58.59 | zimm | its frozen |
| 14:59.00 | dank_work | Go to your lecture. |
| 14:59.05 | dpash | feck off |
| 14:59.17 | zimm | well , thats nice isnt it .. |
| 14:59.32 | dpash | you'll thank me for it later, now bugger off |
| 14:59.34 | dpash | bugger |
| 14:59.36 | dank_work | Too late. |
| 15:25.08 | Tarragon | Is OpenBSD more secure than Linux? Is so why. And if so why does everyone not change to it? |
| 15:27.00 | dank_work | It doesn't do SMP |
| 15:27.09 | dank_work | Doesn't have as many desktop features |
| 15:27.15 | dank_work | Doesn't support pthreads |
| 15:27.22 | dank_work | But, yes, it is more secure |
| 15:27.28 | nasrat | "out of the box" |
| 15:27.30 | dank_work | And makes a great server or firewall |
| 15:27.56 | nasrat | Tarragon: If you want a secure linux distro try Owl |
| 15:28.05 | dank_work | It's likely the code is more secure than the Linux code |
| 15:28.05 | dank_work | de |
| 15:28.09 | dank_work | urg |
| 15:29.06 | highbury | The main thing about OpenBSD, is that the people behind it are committed to actively code/source code reviews |
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| 15:30.06 | pequod | where is greaterlondon? |
| 15:30.27 | dank_work | South-East UK. HTH |
| 15:30.28 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:30.32 | dank_work | Hi, BTW. |
| 15:30.49 | dank_work | highbury: Hence the code is likely to be more secure |
| 15:31.07 | highbury | Linux distros are hampered by being so big, there's soo much to audit, in terms of checking for poor code/buffer overflows etc |
| 15:31.31 | dank_work | OpenBSD doesn't audit the ports tree |
| 15:31.35 | dank_work | Only their core distribution |
| 15:32.00 | highbury | true Dan |
| 15:32.44 | nasrat | owl is audited by Solar Designer though http://www.openwall.com/Owl/ |
| 15:32.53 | pequod | im thinkin of moving to bsd |
| 15:33.37 | pequod | linux really sux |
| 15:33.49 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:34.23 | pequod | the only thing good about linux is the drivers |
| 15:35.02 | highbury | and its success |
| 15:35.05 | pequod | i hear bsd dont have much supported hardware? |
| 15:35.12 | dank_work | That's not true |
| 15:35.22 | dank_work | They had better USB and wireless networking before Linux did |
| 15:35.29 | highbury | there's just not as many people working on stuff |
| 15:35.50 | dank_work | Look at the BSDs hardware compatibility lists |
| 15:37.08 | pequod | anyone know anything bout cramfs? |
| 15:37.48 | highbury | its used by Knoppix |
| 15:38.00 | highbury | where you from pequod? |
| 15:38.35 | pequod | i backported it to 2.2 but i get intermittent corruptions |
| 15:39.04 | pequod | im from afgahanistan |
| 15:39.31 | pequod | but im currently seeking asylum in the UK |
| 15:42.17 | pequod | wow it's such a sunny day, i dont know why im sitting inside |
| 15:42.21 | nasrat | pequod: have you tried asking on lkml |
| 15:43.22 | pequod | no, but i might if i can be bothered |
| 15:43.41 | pequod | i dont like to rush myself |
| 15:44.19 | highbury | why 2.2? |
| 15:44.32 | pequod | and its not something thats urgent im probably going to use XIP instead |
| 15:45.48 | pequod | it's just that i have already done alot of hacking on 2.2 and can't be bothered moving to 2.4 |
| 15:46.21 | pequod | 2.2 is a bit smaller too |
| 15:47.26 | nasrat | 2.2 is a *huge* kernel :) |
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| 15:47.45 | pequod | yes but smaller than 2.4 |
| 15:48.33 | nasrat | true - both too big for me |
| 15:48.41 | pequod | that may also be a reason to move to bsd |
| 15:48.50 | dank_work | Minix |
| 15:48.53 | nasrat | nope kernel too big |
| 15:49.10 | nasrat | dank_work: I haven't tried minix-86 yet |
| 15:49.17 | pequod | minix is defunct? |
| 15:49.24 | dank_work | Good for teaching |
| 15:49.35 | highbury | 2.2 is defunct |
| 15:49.36 | pequod | noone works on it anymore |
| 15:49.41 | nasrat | dank_work: but it works too well :) |
| 15:49.48 | dank_work | True :) |
| 15:50.02 | pequod | many ppl still work on 2.2 |
| 15:50.41 | nasrat | pequod: yeah, it's ok if you know C already :) |
| 15:52.21 | pequod | sum one should write a nice nano kernel like mach in asm but with hooks for all the linux TCP stack and drivers |
| 15:52.47 | pequod | who is going to volunteer? |
| 15:52.59 | formi | there is a project to build a asm os |
| 15:53.06 | highbury | write in assembler! pointless |
| 15:53.06 | dank_work | CP/M ? |
| 15:53.07 | dank_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.13 | dank_work | Write in Forth! |
| 15:53.20 | formi | doing quite well |
| 15:53.20 | nasrat | dank_work: here, here |
| 15:53.24 | pequod | we want to avoid portability |
| 15:53.45 | highbury | then write it in APL ;) |
| 15:53.45 | pequod | x86 rulez! |
| 15:54.04 | highbury | gotta dash catch you guys later |
| 15:54.31 | pequod | im gonna go down the beach before the sun goes |
| 15:54.33 | pequod | bye |
| 16:31.23 | dpash | any word on the ML? |
| 16:31.46 | SpudULike | ML? |
| 16:31.53 | dpash | mailing list |
| 16:32.37 | SpudULike | Yeah, seems to be up and running. Just a bit quiet now. |
| 16:58.07 | pdr | damn, and i was actually just starting to get some work done.. |
| 17:00.16 | dank_work | work? |
| 17:00.22 | dank_work | bye Dave |
| 17:15.49 | SpudUAway | Things to be, places to see and people to do, you know the kind of stuff. |
| 17:18.43 | dank_work | No. |
| 17:19.33 | nasrat | dank_work: animals? |
| 17:19.49 | dank_work | Animals are nice and furry |
| 17:19.58 | dank_work | And don't have a go at you for no reason |
| 17:20.27 | nasrat | dank_work: umm, I know an evil bunny who bites your ankles for no reason |
| 17:20.49 | dank_work | With big pointy teeth? |
| 17:21.29 | nasrat | umm yeah been a while since I've seen said bunny |
| 17:21.44 | nasrat | nasrat: it terrorises cats |
| 17:21.53 | dank_work | Talking to yourself? |
| 17:23.12 | nasrat | nasrat: we hatesss them |
| 17:24.08 | nasrat | dank_work: it's been a long day |
| 17:25.12 | dank_work | :) |
| 17:25.17 | dank_work | Same length as any other |
| 17:30.18 | cup | home! |
| 17:35.42 | dank_work | It's about time to go home |
| 17:36.58 | nasrat | yup buffy tonight :) |
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| 18:43.12 | murble | evening jenson |
| 18:43.29 | Jenson | hey murble |
| 18:43.38 | Jenson | Excpet I'm leaving to go watch Buffy now |
| 18:43.42 | Jenson | See ya later |
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| 19:40.39 | Jenson | hey baby |
| 19:40.44 | dankolb | hey babe |
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| 20:05.36 | Clyphox | Howzit |
| 21:14.13 | pdr | blum |
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| 21:21.58 | marko85_uk | sup everyone |
| 21:22.13 | marko85_uk | ok how do i enter video card set as soon as i log on without x |
| 21:22.44 | marko85_uk | i type xf86config |
| 21:22.49 | marko85_uk | but it doesnt seem to do it |
| 21:31.59 | pdr | hey marko |
| 21:32.28 | pdr | which distro are you using? |
| 21:32.54 | marko85_uk | hey pdr |
| 21:32.59 | marko85_uk | i am using red hat linux 8.0 |
| 21:33.12 | marko85_uk | i tried everything |
| 21:33.24 | marko85_uk | xf86config |
| 21:33.27 | pdr | ok, do you have either XF86Setup or Xconfigurator? |
| 21:33.39 | marko85_uk | i tried redhat-config-xfree86 |
| 21:33.41 | pdr | they're much nicer than xf86config which is *very* old |
| 21:33.52 | marko85_uk | i tried xconfigurator |
| 21:34.02 | marko85_uk | only thing that works is setup |
| 21:34.40 | pdr | can you not get the redhat config program to work? |
| 21:35.42 | marko85_uk | pdr i dont know if i am typing the right command |
| 21:35.47 | marko85_uk | i mean everyone tells me that |
| 21:35.55 | marko85_uk | and it doesnt seem to work |
| 21:36.06 | pdr | are you using a shell which has 'completion'? |
| 21:36.33 | marko85_uk | i am not sure that i understand what completion is |
| 21:38.11 | pdr | 'completion' is when you hit the TAB key to complete a command (if one exists). when you're first starting out, it's an easy way to find the right spelling of a command. |
| 21:38.43 | marko85_uk | i think Xconfigurator |
| 21:38.46 | marko85_uk | is case sensitive |
| 21:38.57 | pdr | it's all case sensitive :-) |
| 21:39.04 | pdr | that's where completion is nice |
| 21:39.06 | marko85_uk | well no one told me that |
| 21:39.06 | marko85_uk | hehe |
| 21:39.13 | marko85_uk | ill be back soon ok |
| 21:39.26 | pdr | you can type Xconf and then hit TAB twice to list possible commpletions |
| 21:40.25 | pdr | [note to any sticks: I'm aware that POSIX completion is ESC ESC, but I'm guessing he's using default bash setup.] |
| 21:41.32 | dpash | hi all |
| 21:41.47 | pdr | hi dave |
| 21:41.57 | dpash | pdr: POSIX can kiss my furry arse |
| 21:42.11 | pdr | ESC ESC and ESC = are actually pretty nice |
| 21:42.28 | dpash | tab all the way baby |
| 21:42.30 | pdr | especially when on some weird-arse non-bash shell |
| 21:42.37 | pdr | :-) |
| 21:42.54 | dpash | pdr: beats csh |
| 21:43.01 | pdr | bloody oath |
| 21:43.41 | pdr | sorry, <translation lang="en_UK">indeed yes</translation> |
| 21:44.20 | dpash | pdr: thanks I needed that |
| 21:44.27 | dpash | cache |
| 21:44.52 | pdr | sounds like something you don't want to do |
| 21:44.59 | pdr | for what purpose? |
| 21:45.31 | dpash | pdr: I have a site where a web filter is using a squid box as a cache, but it isn;t caching anything |
| 21:45.43 | dpash | I think the webfilter is telling it not to cache anything |
| 21:45.55 | dpash | I need to force it to cache stuff |
| 21:46.17 | pdr | do the urls have "?"s in them? I'm pretty sure that squid won't cache if that's the case. |
| 21:47.18 | dpash | grep HIT access.log | wc -l = 0 |
| 21:47.29 | dpash | alll day every day |
| 21:47.40 | dpash | you can't tell me that everything is uncacheable |
| 21:47.54 | pdr | this is general traffic? |
| 21:48.07 | dpash | all I can think of is that the webfilter is using the Cache-control header to prevent caching |
| 21:48.13 | dpash | pdr: it is a school |
| 21:48.18 | pdr | are you sure it's going through squid at all? |
| 21:49.01 | dpash | wc access..og > 0 |
| 21:49.39 | pdr | maybe squid's in "web acceleration" mode.. |
| 21:50.56 | dpash | nope |
| 21:51.08 | dpash | fairly default squid config |
| 21:51.21 | dpash | I can't work out why it isn;t working |
| 21:51.30 | dpash | I think I'll have ot have a nother look at it |
| 21:51.37 | dpash | bloody thing |
| 21:52.10 | pdr | have a good sleep and look in the morning - it's probably something simple |
| 21:52.48 | dpash | oh I haven't really had much of a look at it yet |
| 21:52.55 | dpash | it isn;t bugging me yet |
| 21:52.59 | pdr | hehe |
| 21:53.08 | dpash | but I'm sure it will |
| 21:54.05 | pdr | how's everything anyway? |
| 21:54.16 | dpash | not too bad |
| 21:54.26 | pdr | convinced anyone to sponsor your non-free package yet? |
| 21:54.29 | dpash | looking for a KDE accounting package |
| 21:54.36 | dpash | need to sort out my money |
| 21:54.54 | dpash | and at some point I need to tell smile.co.uk that if they don't provide |
| 21:55.19 | dpash | the ability to download account information withiin the next 6 months I will be leaving them |
| 21:55.20 | pdr | sort out money => "The twenties go in the little pile..." |
| 21:58.00 | pdr | how much choice of isp do you have where you are? |
| 21:58.18 | dpash | we have a satellite |
| 21:58.24 | dpash | have a guess |
| 21:58.26 | dpash | ;) |
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| 22:01.13 | dpash | paul |
| 22:01.17 | dpash | hi |
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| 22:01.41 | cupis | hi David |
| 22:03.05 | dpash | some idiot sent my parents an email with the wrong from address and asked for a MDN reply |
| 22:03.17 | dpash | he forgot to but an @ in the address |
| 22:03.24 | dpash | s/but/put/ |
| 22:04.07 | cupis | MDN? |
| 22:04.32 | dpash | message delivery notification? |
| 22:04.47 | cupis | ah |
| 22:05.09 | cupis | what did s/he put as ht from address? |
| 22:05.31 | dpash | they just forgot to put in a @ |
| 22:05.37 | dpash | so it is right apart from that |
| 22:05.46 | dpash | hmm latency is ool |
| 22:05.56 | cupis | I've been getting a couple of strange message recently, will malformed/illegal from address - fetchmail just leaves them on my pop server, so I have to delete them manually. |
| 22:06.05 | dpash | I can press enter before my screen has displayed what I have typed |
| 22:06.59 | dpash | bugger kapital is non-free |
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| 22:07.39 | dpash | hi Jenson |
| 22:07.51 | Jenson | heya dpash :) How are you? |
| 22:07.59 | dpash | not too bad |
| 22:08.00 | cupis | <quote>(do) not post HTML messages to the mailing list please, it makes my eyes pop.</quote> lol |
| 22:08.26 | Jenson | lol hey cupis |
| 22:08.31 | cupis | hi Jenson |
| 22:08.38 | dpash | Jenson: I am at home so I have very bad latency to my irc client |
| 22:08.47 | dpash | so my spelling may be worse than usual |
| 22:09.01 | cupis | dpash: you actually left the office? I'm impressed! :) |
| 22:09.19 | dpash | cupis: I do sometimes |
| 22:09.27 | dpash | but irc from home is a pita |
| 22:09.30 | Jenson | aww dpash you sweety |
| 22:11.03 | dpash | cupis: just finished my book about fast food, so I have nothing left to read apart from my OU stuff, Philip K Dick Scifi or law books |
| 22:11.27 | cupis | Yay! Microsoft have given hotmail.com a makeover - and broken it for mozilla users! Yay! |
| 22:11.48 | dpash | cupis: of course |
| 22:12.02 | dpash | what do you think you are doing using a non-IE browser |
| 22:12.05 | cupis | dpash: well the former or the later world be the sensible option, so I guess you pick P Dick. |
| 22:12.27 | cupis | dpash: I can check email etc, but I can't logout |
| 22:12.29 | dpash | cupis: it was a christmas prezzie |
| 22:12.35 | dpash | I should read it at some point |
| 22:12.45 | dpash | but the OU stuff is a bit thicker than the last module |
| 22:12.52 | dpash | so that does really need to be read |
| 22:13.00 | dpash | and the law books can wait |
| 22:13.13 | dpash | I started one of them during the summer |
| 22:13.18 | cupis | which loads a blank white page :) |
| 22:13.27 | dpash | cupis: I have decided to stand for parish council |
| 22:13.41 | nasrat | dpash: so you can demand wiretaps? |
| 22:13.48 | dpash | www.cranfieldexpress.co.uk/cranfield-pc/ |
| 22:13.54 | dpash | nasrat: if only |
| 22:14.06 | dpash | nasrat: I would rather have hidden cameras |
| 22:14.14 | nasrat | dpash: fortunately that didn't get passed |
| 22:15.13 | dpash | cupis: the website is a prime example of democracy in motion |
| 22:15.39 | dpash | the list of councillors is 18 months old |
| 22:15.56 | dpash | the last minutes was 14 months ago and is a dodgy word html export |
| 22:16.03 | dpash | which makes it unreadable |
| 22:16.22 | Jenson | Well, I gotta go, my dad doesnt want me blocking the phoneline, so I'm gonna go get some sleep instead |
| 22:16.24 | Jenson | Night guys |
| 22:16.36 | dpash | but if you do read it you discover that they do fun things like decide that the surgery is a week after the meeting |
| 22:16.41 | cupis | night Jenson |
| 22:16.44 | Jenson | night cupis |
| 22:16.52 | dpash | night |
| 22:17.09 | Jenson | cya dpash |
| 22:17.11 | cupis | dpash: that is a smooth website :) |
| 22:17.20 | dpash | cupis: yeah great isn;t it |
| 22:17.48 | *** part/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-94-107.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:18.32 | cupis | http://www.cranfieldexpress.co.uk/cranfield-pc/images/Janet_Newman.JPG |
| 22:18.46 | dpash | yep |
| 22:18.55 | cupis | arghh.. all of the pictures in fact - scary |
| 22:18.56 | dpash | young bunch aren't they |
| 22:19.18 | cupis | no hairdressers or barbers in that area? or are they all blind? |
| 22:19.33 | dpash | I used to work with Lisa |
| 22:19.53 | dpash | what you can't see is that whe is not a small lady |
| 22:20.04 | cupis | dpash: possibly the most human looking of them all |
| 22:20.24 | dpash | I really like the old biddy on the right |
| 22:21.09 | cupis | May? |
| 22:21.30 | dpash | yep |
| 22:22.15 | dpash | should be fun thing to do |
| 22:22.32 | dpash | stick a rocket up the old fogeys backsides |
| 22:22.45 | cupis | dpash: assuming that they'll let you in :) |
| 22:22.59 | cupis | oh, and dpash - they'll probably say TINC |
| 22:23.11 | dpash | TINC? |
| 22:23.40 | cupis | there is no cabal |
| 22:23.45 | dpash | cupis: you assume that 1655 people will stand for the seats |
| 22:23.49 | cupis | dpash: don't you read -devel? |
| 22:23.55 | dpash | cupis: bollocks look at them |
| 22:24.10 | cupis | dpash: go for it |
| 22:24.11 | dpash | s/655/15/ |
| 22:24.21 | dpash | oh 15 people |
| 22:24.26 | dpash | god dammit |
| 22:24.31 | dpash | bloody kbd |
| 22:24.48 | dpash | cupis: the chair's wife is a district councillor |
| 22:25.14 | cupis | 1655? 115? 15? |
| 22:25.21 | dpash | 15 seats |
| 22:25.38 | dpash | so any less than that and I get a seat by default |
| 22:25.56 | dpash | any more than that then I get to use my wonderful platform |
| 22:26.27 | dpash | I represent the non-old part of the village |
| 22:26.48 | dpash | I don't have any alterative motive |
| 22:27.13 | dpash | I was cheap housing in the village |
| 22:27.20 | dpash | s/was/want/ |
| 22:27.31 | dpash | I know plenty of people |
| 22:27.42 | dpash | always good one that |
| 22:27.54 | dpash | I am independant |
| 22:27.59 | cupis | dpash: you _were_ cheap housing? you know plenty of people? hmmm :) |
| 22:28.03 | dpash | I have lived in the village all my life |
| 22:28.20 | dpash | I want cheap housing |
| 22:29.29 | dpash | look I can't spell esp with this amount of lag |
| 22:29.42 | dpash | I'll have to get you an account at work so you can try it |
| 22:30.45 | cupis | dpash: review madkiss's posts to #d-kde - think he's sober? |
| 22:31.01 | dpash | hold on |
| 22:33.22 | dpash | he is only 15 |
| 22:33.34 | dpash | bless him<aaw/> |
| 22:33.44 | cupis | that might explain it, actually |
| 22:36.28 | dpash | hmm /. pay-per-view |
| 22:36.43 | dpash | flaming lips rule |
| 22:37.06 | cupis | <Madkiss> Qt3 rc-bug-free |
| 22:37.16 | cupis | maybe that explains his "playful" mood |
| 22:38.48 | dpash | now if only we could find nolden a sponser |
| 22:39.13 | cupis | -> uk |
| 22:54.23 | cupis | pdr: Paris? have fun :) |
| 22:55.00 | dpash | pdr: #debian-uk |
| 22:55.08 | pdr | cupis: yep, Paris |
| 22:55.18 | pdr | dpash: ? |
| 22:55.20 | cupis | dpash: Pete is going to Paris |
| 22:55.35 | pdr | not til tomorrow though |
| 22:55.39 | pdr | just booked it |
| 22:56.01 | dpash | oh I thought he was just taking the piss |
| 22:56.11 | pdr | dpash: not this time ;-) |
| 22:56.13 | cupis | pdr: leaving things a bit late? |
| 22:56.27 | dpash | pdr: not eurostar? |
| 22:56.28 | pdr | cupis: always on the edge.. |
| 22:56.33 | pdr | dpash: yep, eurostar |
| 22:56.43 | dpash | 1/2 price return? |
| 22:56.52 | cupis | pdr: yeah. Just stay away from any toy cars :) |
| 22:57.04 | dpash | ? |
| 22:57.13 | cupis | dpash: nm |
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| 22:57.34 | dpash | argh |
| 22:57.36 | pdr | dpash: i'd better bloody hope so. i've booked as per usual on the website, but I'm going to go to work via waterloo in case they need to make sure |
| 22:57.36 | dpash | make sense boy |
| 22:57.40 | dpash | hi dankolb |
| 22:57.49 | pdr | cupis: lol |
| 22:58.06 | dankolb | Hiya |
| 22:58.12 | dpash | no going with them again |
| 22:58.16 | pdr | dpash: if you still have the ticket, you may not need the leaflet |
| 22:58.26 | pdr | hehe |
| 22:58.39 | pdr | planes can be delayed too |
| 22:58.41 | dpash | lol ntl may rise prices |
| 22:58.53 | dpash | pdr: but planes are cheaper |
| 22:58.59 | pdr | dankolb: hi |
| 22:59.10 | pdr | dpash: but to paris, more hassle and takes longer |
| 22:59.27 | dpash | certianly to brussels |
| 23:00.15 | pdr | hmm.. a bus with wings is still a bus |
| 23:00.54 | dpash | pdr: a tree with dustbins is still a tree |
| 23:00.57 | dpash | your point? |
| 23:01.10 | pdr | it doesn't really make much difference to me |
| 23:01.21 | pdr | getting to the airport is half the journey |
| 23:02.33 | pdr | ibot lart a nym |
| 23:02.33 | dpash | see thereg |
| 23:05.10 | pdr | "Games copy protection cracked in days" they're getting slower these days? |
| 23:06.53 | dpash | high risk: 4, medium risk: 4, low risk 2 |
| 23:06.58 | dpash | out of 21 tests |
| 23:07.24 | dankolb | Heh |
| 23:07.47 | dpash | http://webtest.scanit.be/bcheck/ |
| 23:07.52 | dpash | moz works fine |
| 23:07.59 | dpash | anyone test konq? |
| 23:10.12 | cupis | Oops! Cannot open new windows (in moz) |
| 23:10.20 | cupis | :) |
| 23:11.37 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:11.56 | eye69 | Haha. |
| 23:12.12 | eye69 | pdr: MS should be charged with the crime of driving him to it. |
| 23:14.32 | cupis | High Risk Vulnerabilities |
| 23:14.33 | cupis | 0 |
| 23:14.33 | cupis | Medium Risk Vulnerabilities |
| 23:14.33 | cupis | 0 |
| 23:14.33 | cupis | Low Risk Vulnerabilities |
| 23:14.33 | cupis | 0 |
| 23:14.39 | pdr | yay! |
| 23:14.41 | cupis | (konq w/kde3.1) |
| 23:15.21 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:15.26 | pdr | cupis: javascript enabled? |
| 23:15.30 | dankolb | Bwah. 500 unread emails in Gllug |
| 23:15.48 | cupis | pdr: yes |
| 23:16.15 | cupis | dankolb: ignore the piracy thread - that will take it down to ~10 |
| 23:16.20 | dankolb | :-) |
| 23:16.23 | dankolb | But that was fun |
| 23:16.35 | dankolb | Don't you mean 'priracy'? |
| 23:16.36 | pdr | s/was/is/ |
| 23:16.38 | pdr | :-) |
| 23:16.52 | cupis | dankolb: yeap |
| 23:17.03 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:17.08 | cupis | (cross between 'yeah' and 'yep') |
| 23:17.16 | dankolb | yuhp |
| 23:26.21 | *** join/#gllug marko85_uk (markoradis@213.78.120.17) |
| 23:26.29 | marko85_uk | hey everyone |
| 23:26.37 | marko85_uk | i still didnt manage to fix my problem |
| 23:26.46 | marko85_uk | i got into xf86config |
| 23:26.59 | marko85_uk | but i dont see where i can just change the type of my video card |
| 23:27.12 | marko85_uk | i can just change the refresh rate and memory of the card |
| 23:27.25 | marko85_uk | but i am unable to change it from SIS 640 to SIS 520 |
| 23:27.34 | cupis | marko85_uk: what distro are you using? |
| 23:27.40 | marko85_uk | red hat |
| 23:27.43 | marko85_uk | 8.0 |
| 23:28.27 | cupis | marko85_uk: don't redhat have a gui config tool to use instead of xf86config? |
| 23:28.33 | dankolb | XConfigurator |
| 23:28.36 | marko85_uk | bro my x wont start |
| 23:28.49 | marko85_uk | i typed x and i press tab and it should list all the commands |
| 23:28.59 | dankolb | It starts with a capital X |
| 23:29.00 | cupis | marko85_uk: you could edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 firectly. |
| 23:29.14 | marko85_uk | and i didnt manage to find the one that says XConfigurator |
| 23:29.20 | pdr | marko85_uk: to get the list, you hit TAB twice. |
| 23:29.28 | marko85_uk | i did |
| 23:29.32 | marko85_uk | and i got the list |
| 23:29.35 | pdr | marko85_uk: cool |
| 23:29.44 | marko85_uk | and i didnt manage to find anything that says xconfigurator |
| 23:29.45 | pdr | marko85_uk: just checking |
| 23:29.52 | marko85_uk | pdr thanks for the tip |
| 23:29.55 | marko85_uk | u told me that didnt u |
| 23:29.55 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 23:29.57 | pdr | and with a capital X? |
| 23:30.03 | pdr | marko85_uk: yep |
| 23:30.06 | marko85_uk | maybe not capital |
| 23:30.12 | marko85_uk | fuck this is so complicated |
| 23:30.13 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 23:30.14 | marko85_uk | hehe |
| 23:30.18 | pdr | lol |
| 23:30.22 | marko85_uk | ok guys ill try to do it again and again |
| 23:30.29 | marko85_uk | i so wanna finish it |
| 23:30.29 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 23:30.35 | marko85_uk | ill be back in few minutes |
| 23:31.08 | marko85_uk | i just wanna change my video card from SIS 640 that was automaticly assigned |
| 23:31.19 | marko85_uk | to SIS 520 which originaly is |
| 23:31.19 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 23:31.25 | pdr | i'd really recommend using the redhat-config-... tool instead. |
| 23:31.38 | pdr | actually, don't they use the same driver anyway? |
| 23:31.47 | cupis | pdr: yes |
| 23:31.55 | marko85_uk | i type redhat-config-xfree86 |
| 23:31.56 | pdr | is there an error in the /var/log/XF86... file? |
| 23:32.03 | marko85_uk | abd it doesnt do anything |
| 23:32.07 | marko85_uk | i can send u the error |
| 23:32.07 | marko85_uk | file |
| 23:32.10 | marko85_uk | if u want it |
| 23:32.17 | pdr | yeah, ok |
| 23:32.55 | marko85_uk | are u getting my dcc send file? |
| 23:33.10 | marko85_uk | that is the error that it comes up when i type startx |
| 23:33.11 | pdr | hmm.. no. can you try again please? |
| 23:33.40 | marko85_uk | ok |
| 23:33.47 | marko85_uk | that is the error i get |
| 23:33.47 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 23:34.10 | pdr | (EE) Problem parsing the config file |
| 23:34.10 | pdr | (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 23:34.10 | pdr | Fatal server error: |
| 23:34.10 | pdr | no screens found |
| 23:34.19 | pdr | [for everyone else] |
| 23:34.34 | pdr | this means that you don't have a screens section |
| 23:34.46 | pdr | are you ok with manually editing files? |
| 23:34.48 | cupis | marko85_uk: send/port the XF86Config-4 file? |
| 23:35.05 | marko85_uk | u want me to send xf86config-4 file to u? |
| 23:35.10 | marko85_uk | i can send u |
| 23:35.30 | marko85_uk | xf86config |
| 23:35.33 | marko85_uk | as a txt file? |
| 23:35.53 | pdr | Try adding the following: |
| 23:35.55 | cupis | marko85_uk: wait for pdr to help first - if not, you may need to send someone your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. |
| 23:36.02 | pdr | Section "Device" |
| 23:36.03 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.03 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.11 | pdr | EndSection |
| 23:36.11 | pdr | Section "Screen" |
| 23:36.11 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.11 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.11 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.12 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.20 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.21 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.21 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.21 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.22 | pdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.24 | pdr | EndSection |
| 23:36.24 | marko85_uk | pdr can u talk to me on private |
| 23:36.51 | pdr | actually, i'm heading to bed in about 5 mins anyway |
| 23:36.58 | marko85_uk | me too |
| 23:37.04 | marko85_uk | but i really need someone to help |
| 23:37.06 | marko85_uk | me with this shit |
| 23:37.25 | pdr | Try adding in that stuff to the XF86Config-4 file if you can |
| 23:37.38 | marko85_uk | how do i do that |
| 23:37.42 | marko85_uk | as soon as i log on |
| 23:37.44 | marko85_uk | what do i type |
| 23:37.45 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 23:38.09 | pdr | have you used a console text editor under linux before? |
| 23:38.21 | dankolb | emacs |
| 23:38.34 | marko85_uk | the thing is this is the first time i am using linux |
| 23:39.16 | pdr | i'm hoping that the 'editor' command is sane on redhat, but... |
| 23:39.28 | marko85_uk | pdr |
| 23:39.32 | marko85_uk | u really helped me |
| 23:39.35 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 23:39.37 | marko85_uk | thanks mate |
| 23:39.42 | marko85_uk | i think ill have to get an expert |
| 23:39.44 | marko85_uk | to do this for me |
| 23:39.53 | pdr | type "editor /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" and add in that stuff |
| 23:39.59 | marko85_uk | coz at the moment i can not do it by meselg |
| 23:40.10 | pdr | ok |
| 23:40.27 | *** join/#gllug formi (~formi@usr1430-har.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:40.34 | pdr | if you're in london, you could come to the next gllug meeting and we can probably help you easier that way |
| 23:40.43 | marko85_uk | i will do |
| 23:40.47 | formi | allo |
| 23:40.51 | marko85_uk | i am really gutted that i missed the first one |
| 23:40.57 | marko85_uk | when is the next meeting? |
| 23:40.58 | pdr | hi formi |
| 23:41.06 | pdr | umm.. not sure - check the website |
| 23:41.06 | marko85_uk | 12 of april |
| 23:41.07 | formi | boas |
| 23:41.12 | marko85_uk | c ya soon |
| 23:41.16 | marko85_uk | thanks for the help |
| 23:41.20 | pdr | np |
| 23:41.20 | formi | bye |
| 23:41.24 | marko85_uk | ill try to fix it |
| 23:43.05 | formi | i did the same last sunday |
| 23:43.09 | formi | by mail |
| 23:43.12 | cupis | pdr: easier to edit it yourself and send it back? |
| 23:43.35 | pdr | cupis: prolly a good idea |
| 23:43.43 | pdr | formi: ouch |
| 23:45.21 | cupis | pdr: or his aol screenname? |
| 23:45.56 | formi | i wonder why do we get these monikers on the list? |
| 23:46.27 | formi | from time to time somebody puts forward some opinion and when everybody say they don't like it |
| 23:46.48 | formi | the bastard goes and unsubscribes from the list |
| 23:47.11 | cupis | pdr: "putting XF86Config-4 out of arse"..."is a pain-in-the=arse" |
| 23:47.40 | cupis | s/putting/pulling/ |
| 23:47.50 | pdr | hehe |
| 23:47.53 | formi | even worse if it is a multi-head setup |
| 23:48.07 | pdr | that's one big arse... :-) |
| 23:48.11 | cupis | formi: with nv-based chipset |
| 23:48.36 | cupis | pdr: s/XF86Config-4/toy car/ ? |
| 23:49.31 | cupis | lol |
| 23:50.30 | formi | pdr: in a outsourced windows shop |
| 23:52.33 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.55 | cupis | formi: ending dll hell is easy. redefine hell. |
| 23:58.44 | pdr | formi: lol |
| 23:59.28 | dankolb | 'night folks |
