| 00:02.02 | Leeds | my mum is going to bed... |
| 00:03.34 | dank_work | heh |
| 00:03.39 | formi | shall we celebrate or anything? |
| 00:04.10 | Leeds | ... it's just that she's now got ADSL and Trillian, so I can see when she turns her computer on and off :-) |
| 00:04.17 | dank_work | :) |
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| 00:05.57 | formi | shouldn't it be the opposite? she watching over you? |
| 00:07.55 | Leeds | except that I'm logged-on 18 hours a day, from home or work... she tell me I should be working the other day when I said hi to her during the day :-) |
| 00:08.49 | omphe | I'm off to bed, goodnight |
| 00:08.54 | dank_work | 'night omphe |
| 00:08.58 | formi | night |
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| 00:10.51 | dankolb | Ooh. |
| 00:10.53 | dankolb | Finally. Piece of shit Debian package manager. |
| 00:11.37 | Leeds | what's wrong with tarballs, eh? |
| 00:11.57 | dank_work | Leeds: Absolutely nothing |
| 00:12.14 | dank_work | But fink is a port of Debi*n packages to OS X |
| 00:12.49 | Leeds | oh, that |
| 00:13.12 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 00:13.20 | dank_work | Problems with updating |
| 00:13.39 | Leeds | http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/802-4127?a=load :-) |
| 00:14.04 | dank_work | What's that? (for someone too lazy to open a web browser) |
| 00:14.10 | Leeds | lazy git |
| 00:14.17 | dank_work | :) |
| 00:14.21 | Leeds | it's the install instructions for Solaris PowerPC edition |
| 00:15.27 | Leeds | and no, there hasn't been a Solaris PowerPC edition for many years :-) |
| 00:15.41 | dank_work | Could you get me a copy? |
| 00:15.47 | Leeds | nope |
| 00:15.51 | dank_work | :( |
| 00:15.55 | dank_work | Can I download one? |
| 00:15.59 | Leeds | it doesn't really exist anymore |
| 00:16.20 | Leeds | I very much doubt it'd run on anything less than 5 years old, for example |
| 00:18.05 | Leeds | the install doc is dated 1996 |
| 00:18.34 | dank_work | I have a PPC 604e |
| 00:19.03 | Leeds | that doesn't mean anything to me |
| 00:19.21 | dank_work | 200MHz PPC machine |
| 00:21.13 | Leeds | okay... anyway, I'm not even sure that Solaris PPC really shipped commercially |
| 00:21.33 | dank_work | So no chance of a copy :( |
| 00:21.39 | Leeds | nopw |
| 00:21.53 | dank_work | :( |
| 00:22.51 | Leeds | I only mentioned it as a joke... |
| 00:23.25 | Leeds | because it's not widely known |
| 00:24.04 | dank_work | :) |
| 00:25.13 | Leeds | I *wasn't* dreaming it - they've moved the entries on the tab menus around in Moz 1.3! |
| 00:25.34 | dank_work | heh |
| 00:26.23 | Leeds | I wish they wouldn't keep doing that... |
| 00:26.56 | dank_work | Open-source crap... |
| 00:27.53 | Leeds | yeah |
| 00:30.46 | dank_work | But what can you do... |
| 00:31.57 | formi | oh no |
| 00:32.08 | dank_work | what? |
| 00:32.19 | formi | what's the problem with gnome2 apps |
| 00:32.37 | formi | they have removed the best bits |
| 00:32.39 | dank_work | They're crap? |
| 00:32.56 | formi | gkrellm doesn't have a mhz counter |
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| 00:34.28 | marko85_uk | hey nigros |
| 00:34.30 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:34.34 | marko85_uk | guess what everyone? |
| 00:35.17 | formi | today is saturday? |
| 00:35.24 | marko85_uk | maybe |
| 00:35.27 | marko85_uk | i got my x to work |
| 00:35.29 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:36.47 | marko85_uk | there are still some problems like getting my resoulition to 1024x768 |
| 00:37.34 | marko85_uk | i tried going to desktop setting but i cant change it to this screen area |
| 00:37.41 | Leeds | Bill & Ted! Excellent! |
| 00:37.56 | marko85_uk | leeds who the dady? say it? |
| 00:38.05 | marko85_uk | i just got back from a night club |
| 00:39.09 | marko85_uk | is anyone gonna say well done marko |
| 00:39.15 | marko85_uk | u got ur x working |
| 00:39.20 | Leeds | what did you do? |
| 00:39.47 | Leeds | (TiVo wants to turn off Bill & Ted - which is almost done - to watch Red Dwarf instead ) |
| 00:40.10 | marko85_uk | i typed xf86config |
| 00:40.16 | Leeds | :-) |
| 00:40.18 | marko85_uk | and then i seleceted the right |
| 00:40.23 | marko85_uk | video card |
| 00:40.30 | marko85_uk | then i messed about and stuff |
| 00:40.32 | marko85_uk | and it was cool |
| 00:40.33 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:40.58 | Leeds | good stuff |
| 00:41.44 | Leeds | I guess that would make you the daddy :-) |
| 00:41.56 | marko85_uk | well not really my gf gave birth today |
| 00:42.01 | marko85_uk | so that makes me the dady |
| 00:42.14 | Leeds | okay - so you're *really* the daddy... |
| 00:42.17 | Leeds | Mazel Tov |
| 00:42.26 | marko85_uk | well how real can it get? |
| 00:42.28 | marko85_uk | hehe |
| 00:42.31 | marko85_uk | joking |
| 00:42.37 | marko85_uk | how do i change the resoulition? |
| 00:42.58 | Leeds | I'd say open up the X config file and add the bigger resolution |
| 00:43.35 | marko85_uk | well it asks me what display i want a |
| 00:43.54 | marko85_uk | and i typed i want 1024x768 |
| 00:43.58 | marko85_uk | but it doesnt seem to do it |
| 00:44.02 | marko85_uk | ill play around bit more |
| 00:45.07 | Leeds | you're using redhat? |
| 00:45.18 | marko85_uk | not at the moment |
| 00:45.23 | marko85_uk | i still need to sort my modem out |
| 00:45.27 | marko85_uk | and my dial up configuration |
| 00:45.47 | marko85_uk | can u tell me how to install the driver for the modem once i download it? |
| 00:46.06 | Leeds | what kind of modem? |
| 00:46.07 | SpudULike | formi- Are you using any scripts or plugins with XChat 2? |
| 00:47.35 | Leeds | marko85_uk: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/getting-started-guide/s1-video.html |
| 00:48.54 | marko85_uk | modem i have is |
| 00:48.54 | marko85_uk | intel ham data voice modem |
| 00:48.58 | marko85_uk | ill download the driver for it on the disk |
| 00:49.17 | marko85_uk | i got this page printed |
| 00:49.19 | marko85_uk | i have seen this |
| 00:49.31 | Leeds | marko85_uk: internal, PCI modem? |
| 00:49.45 | formi | SpudULike: nope |
| 00:50.05 | SpudULike | formi Oh. |
| 00:51.43 | formi | the plugins on xchat.org are no good |
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| 00:52.20 | marko85_uk | leeds |
| 00:52.23 | marko85_uk | did u say anything |
| 00:52.47 | marko85_uk | help me set up my red hat please |
| 00:52.49 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:52.55 | SpudULike | formi I've learnt to love some of them. Alas, I cannot get the perl-pluggin rpm to install. |
| 00:53.25 | formi | ah |
| 00:53.34 | Leeds | marko85_uk: I'm not great with redhat, particularly if you're running Windows... |
| 00:53.45 | Leeds | what I said was is it an internal PCI modem? |
| 00:53.56 | dank_work | Leeds: Get him running Slackware |
| 00:54.02 | marko85_uk | it was and i found the driver for it |
| 00:54.36 | marko85_uk | i would actually prefer suse |
| 00:54.38 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:55.30 | Leeds | so why not use suse? |
| 00:55.46 | marko85_uk | coz i dont have it? |
| 00:55.56 | Leeds | hmmm... get it? |
| 00:56.26 | marko85_uk | well not sure my admin likes me downloding 2gb files |
| 00:56.26 | marko85_uk | coz he needs to do backup |
| 00:56.55 | marko85_uk | well there is nothing wrong with red hat |
| 00:56.56 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 00:57.03 | Leeds | buy a set? |
| 00:57.58 | marko85_uk | i just need to configure my modem and change my desktop area |
| 00:58.54 | dank_work | 'night all |
| 00:59.09 | Leeds | you may find that joining the GLLUG mailing list and asking for help there is more useful, rather than trying with the random people available here when you can't get online with Linux now anyway |
| 00:59.13 | Leeds | night, dank_work |
| 01:00.37 | marko85_uk | leeds i dont see what is wrong with asking for help |
| 01:00.44 | marko85_uk | expecianced people |
| 01:01.09 | Leeds | marko85_uk: nothing wrnog with asking for help at all - just that there are a lot more people on the mailing list who can help you - and more people using RedHat |
| 01:01.31 | marko85_uk | good point |
| 01:03.15 | Leeds | I know how *I* would solve your problems - but one thing I'd do is dump a lot of the RedHat-isms, because I don't like them - which is why I don't use RedHat :-) |
| 01:03.59 | marko85_uk | well surley u would install drivers |
| 01:04.06 | marko85_uk | for every distro the same way? |
| 01:04.33 | Leeds | not necessarily |
| 01:04.35 | marko85_uk | maybe not from GUI but using comans |
| 01:04.36 | marko85_uk | u woul |
| 01:04.57 | marko85_uk | the difference between linux distro is just the number of pacages that come with it |
| 01:05.12 | Leeds | I would only use a modem with kernel support anyway, and I'd rebuild my kernel (from kernel.org) to support it |
| 01:05.28 | Leeds | there are a lot more differences between distros than just the packages supplied |
| 01:06.42 | marko85_uk | well all linux distribution use the same commands? |
| 01:07.45 | Leeds | not for configuration... SuSE is the prime example with yast |
| 01:08.59 | marko85_uk | ok |
| 01:09.00 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 01:09.11 | marko85_uk | can u help me find linux drivers for this modem? |
| 01:09.13 | marko85_uk | Intel Ham Data Fax Voice PCI Modem |
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| 01:10.37 | Leeds | http://developer.intel.com/design/modems/support/drivers_linux.htm |
| 01:12.14 | Leeds | do you have a more detailed model? |
| 01:12.19 | marko85_uk | leeds dont go anywhere |
| 01:13.25 | Leeds | just telling my TiVo to record the original Japanese version of The Ring |
| 01:13.33 | marko85_uk | Intel-v92ham-451-R73.tgz |
| 01:13.33 | marko85_uk | MD5628D-L-B Linux drivers and sample compiled binary for Red Hat 7.3 for MD5628-L-B chip |
| 01:13.33 | marko85_uk | its this one |
| 01:13.37 | marko85_uk | shell i put it on to the disk |
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| 01:14.38 | Leeds | is that the modem or the driver? |
| 01:15.21 | marko85_uk | that is the driver for this modem |
| 01:15.22 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 01:15.27 | marko85_uk | i am sure its v92 modem |
| 01:15.47 | Leeds | http://www.e-tech.nu/producten/faxmodems_pci56avp.htm - this the modem? |
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| 01:18.09 | marko85_uk | it is simillar to that |
| 01:18.13 | marko85_uk | but i dont think that that is it |
| 01:18.16 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 01:19.41 | marko85_uk | i am downloading .tgz file |
| 01:19.41 | resuDaed | evening all |
| 01:19.45 | marko85_uk | and putting it on the disc |
| 01:19.55 | marko85_uk | how do i |
| 01:20.02 | marko85_uk | install it |
| 01:21.00 | Leeds | rtfm :-) |
| 01:21.02 | Leeds | hey resuDaed |
| 01:21.16 | marko85_uk | what does rtfm means? |
| 01:21.36 | Leeds | ibot rtfm |
| 01:21.37 | | somebody said rtfm was Read The Fine Product Documentation, or see rtff |
| 01:21.44 | Leeds | ibot rtff |
| 01:21.44 | | extra, extra, read all about it, rtff is Read The Fine FAQ: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse.php |
| 01:21.52 | Leeds | not that FAQ :-) |
| 01:22.01 | Leeds | read the readme.txt in the driver tarball |
| 01:22.28 | SpudULike | marko85_uk Were there no instructions from where you downloaded it? |
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| 01:24.56 | marko85_uk | leeds |
| 01:24.57 | marko85_uk | u still here |
| 01:25.08 | SpudULike | marko85_uk Were there no instructions from where you downloaded it? |
| 01:25.39 | marko85_uk | well i am downloading just the driver file |
| 01:25.44 | marko85_uk | and i am not sure how to install the driver |
| 01:26.13 | marko85_uk | i just managed to get my x working with help of loads of people |
| 01:26.13 | Leeds | there's a readme file in the tarball |
| 01:26.15 | SpudULike | I know, but were there no instructions on the site to explain how to install the driver? |
| 01:26.27 | marko85_uk | now just modem and screen area |
| 01:26.28 | marko85_uk | nope |
| 01:26.42 | marko85_uk | i am downloading it directly from intel's site |
| 01:27.00 | SpudULike | Another reason to support AMD then. |
| 01:27.05 | marko85_uk | i will look up on main red hat documentation |
| 01:27.12 | Leeds | aer you using RedHat 7.3? |
| 01:27.15 | SpudULike | Ah, good move. |
| 01:27.16 | marko85_uk | well i do have amd already |
| 01:27.23 | marko85_uk | nope i am using red hat 8.0 |
| 01:27.27 | marko85_uk | but it should be the same |
| 01:27.45 | SpudULike | Should? Hmm, lots to learn! |
| 01:27.55 | Leeds | *not* the same! |
| 01:28.11 | marko85_uk | well i dont really have a choice |
| 01:28.18 | marko85_uk | there isnt a driver on there for red hat 8.0 |
| 01:28.26 | Leeds | sure you do - get the distro-independent one |
| 01:29.21 | marko85_uk | what do u mean get the distro independent one? |
| 01:30.33 | Leeds | well... |
| 01:30.54 | Leeds | I mean get the driver which isn't designed for a particular distribution - get the one designed for *linux* |
| 01:31.26 | marko85_uk | well the one i have on the floppy |
| 01:31.34 | marko85_uk | is for linux red hat linux 7.3 |
| 01:31.51 | Leeds | but you're not using redhat 7.3, are you? |
| 01:32.11 | marko85_uk | nope |
| 01:32.24 | Leeds | so why would you use the redhat 7.3 driver? |
| 01:32.33 | marko85_uk | i am using red hat 8.0 but it should work for red hat 8.0 |
| 01:32.44 | marko85_uk | because intel didnt issue one for red hat 8.0 |
| 01:32.51 | Leeds | argh! |
| 01:32.57 | Leeds | but they issue one for Linux, don't they? |
| 01:33.24 | marko85_uk | yeah and red hat is Linux |
| 01:33.39 | Leeds | no, redhat is *not* linux. |
| 01:33.48 | Leeds | RedHat is one distribution of Linux |
| 01:34.07 | Leeds | Linux is the kernel - people make distributions of the kernel and the OS around it... |
| 01:34.21 | Leeds | there is a driver on the Intel page which isn't for any particular distribution |
| 01:34.51 | marko85_uk | there is one |
| 01:34.54 | marko85_uk | so what do i do |
| 01:35.24 | Leeds | download and install it? |
| 01:36.58 | marko85_uk | how |
| 01:37.04 | marko85_uk | which one do i download |
| 01:37.09 | marko85_uk | u tell me and i will do it |
| 01:38.02 | resuDaed | My 40GB HDD is still under warranty!! I shall get it replaced! |
| 01:38.26 | Leeds | just get the top driver, unpack it and install it - there are instructions in the tarball |
| 01:39.16 | marko85_uk | what is the web site again |
| 01:39.38 | Leeds | http://developer.intel.com/design/modems/support/drivers_linux.htm |
| 01:40.20 | SpudULike | Maybe, just maybe, Ivan was right! |
| 01:40.37 | Leeds | SpudULike: abotu what, exactly? |
| 01:40.55 | Leeds | me, IRC? :-) |
| 01:41.04 | marko85_uk | Linux* Kernel |
| 01:41.05 | SpudULike | Newbies. |
| 01:41.05 | marko85_uk | 2.2.12 to 2.2.18 PCI r-333-5.tgz |
| 01:41.05 | marko85_uk | MD5628D-L-B |
| 01:41.09 | marko85_uk | is this the one i should downloa? |
| 01:41.31 | SpudULike | 451.tgz |
| 01:42.58 | marko85_uk | i am downloading the first one |
| 01:43.32 | marko85_uk | Intel® V.90 modem chipset driver for Linux (PCI). This driver supports Linux versions 2.2.12 to 2.2.18. This driver is not compatible with kernel version 2.4.X. Chipsets: MD563X and MD5628D. |
| 01:43.33 | SpudULike | The Intel-v92ham-451.tgz one? |
| 01:43.41 | Leeds | I *really* suggest that you join the mailing list and ask about it there... |
| 01:43.55 | marko85_uk | File Name/Size: |
| 01:43.56 | marko85_uk | r-333-5.tgz |
| 01:44.01 | marko85_uk | its ok i like to suffer for a bit |
| 01:44.07 | marko85_uk | i know i will get this to work |
| 01:44.15 | marko85_uk | the more time i spend on it the more i learn |
| 01:44.22 | Leeds | which kernel are you using? |
| 01:44.32 | marko85_uk | not even sure about that |
| 01:44.54 | formi | be good kids, good night |
| 01:44.59 | SpudULike | formi nn |
| 01:45.01 | marko85_uk | c ya tomorrow i will check this out |
| 01:45.04 | marko85_uk | and see what happens |
| 01:45.07 | marko85_uk | thanks leeds |
| 01:45.11 | marko85_uk | and spudulike |
| 01:45.14 | marko85_uk | talk soon |
| 01:45.20 | SpudULike | night. |
| 01:45.23 | Leeds | I suggest you find out - this is like trying to get a windows version without knowing if it's 3.1, 95, 98, NT, ME, 2k, XP |
| 01:45.32 | Leeds | g'night... |
| 01:46.26 | Leeds | it's really hard to help people when they're using Windows, don't have a working net connection on Linux, and lack brain cells :-( |
| 01:46.31 | Leeds | iboy, hi |
| 01:46.37 | Leeds | ibot, hi |
| 01:46.37 | | salut |
| 01:47.48 | SpudULike | Leeds Never got to tell you about it, but the old logs have been cleared off ibot. |
| 01:48.26 | SpudULike | Some people were unhappy about not being warned about the logging, so I added a welcome message to let them know. |
| 01:48.58 | SpudULike | Should it ever happen that you want to look back, I downloaded a set of the logs before they were cleared. |
| 01:49.37 | Leeds | doesn't really bother me - that was just on the off chance that marko found the logs :-) |
| 01:53.29 | SpudUAway | He's making up for his lack of nounce with perseverance[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[3~[3~[3~ at least. |
| 01:55.08 | Leeds | true |
| 04:31.39 | gj_ | :) |
| 05:45.53 | eye69 | Evening |
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| 10:16.55 | nasrat | morning |
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| 12:06.02 | dpash | afternoon |
| 12:09.44 | dpash | ah come on |
| 12:09.48 | dpash | someone must be here |
| 12:10.00 | stephen | yeah, I'm here |
| 12:10.06 | dpash | thank good |
| 12:10.21 | dpash | I was starting to get worried |
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| 12:22.46 | Tarragon | Highbury image added |
| 12:24.28 | dpash | Tarragon: is there a link page for these? or do we have to guess? |
| 12:30.31 | Tarragon | Use the force -- Sorry watching Star Wars. No page up yet just the images. http://gllug.linux.co.uk/images/Gallery/Highbury.png |
| 12:31.26 | Tarragon | I promise we will do a page with thumbnails when there are enough images. I am still expecting murble to request his to be removed. |
| 12:31.52 | Leeds | have you explictly told murble about it yet? |
| 12:32.15 | Tarragon | No I was expecting him to read the logs :-) |
| 12:32.25 | stephen | do we just have to guess the filenames? |
| 12:32.25 | Tarragon | He was online at the time |
| 12:32.46 | Leeds | stephen: replace Highbury with various nicks |
| 12:33.02 | Tarragon | Filenames are irc names with just the first letter capitalised and all .png |
| 12:33.17 | Tarragon | stephen: How about a photo? |
| 12:33.37 | stephen | I'm not sure I even have one :) |
| 12:34.02 | Tarragon | Not compulsory |
| 12:34.17 | stephen | I'll see if I can find one somewhere |
| 12:35.58 | Tarragon | You could always send in a cartoon image |
| 12:36.16 | stephen | yeah, may do, anyway, better be off |
| 12:55.50 | Leeds | my mum is currently enjoying playing with sending smileys over AIM... |
| 12:58.12 | dpash | 404 http://gllug.linux.co.uk/images/Gallery/dpash.png |
| 12:59.13 | dpash | Tarragon: okay Dpash.png isn't too bad, but I would prefer dpash.png |
| 13:01.08 | dpash | Tarragon: much better than http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Saturday/img_0065.html |
| 13:02.16 | Leeds | oy - beat me to my own joke! |
| 13:02.45 | dpash | Leeds: I'm still not sure that I like that picture being there |
| 13:03.26 | Leeds | if it really seriously bothers you, I'll take it down - but only if it's a serious problem |
| 13:04.49 | dpash | Leeds: all pictures of me is a serious problem, but it is better than some from that night so I'll leave it |
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| 13:18.38 | dpash | argh fetchmail has stopped delivering mail to the right people |
| 13:19.39 | Leeds | blame ESR! |
| 13:21.47 | dpash | Leeds: I don't think I can |
| 13:22.14 | dpash | it looks like our ISP has stopped adding X-Envelope-To: headers |
| 13:22.34 | Leeds | bummer |
| 13:24.13 | dpash | the strange thing is, that they seem to add it on some, but not others |
| 13:34.17 | Leeds | I get it in a Delivered-to header |
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| 13:37.21 | dpash | Leeds: Delivered-To: kde-cvs@mail.kde.org |
| 13:37.25 | dpash | Leeds: doesn't help |
| 13:37.46 | dpash | Leeds: I can not trust that header |
| 13:37.48 | dpash | hi cupis |
| 13:38.04 | dpash | cupis: I'll be looking at irssi once I sort out my mail problem |
| 13:39.51 | cupis | hi dpash |
| 13:40.35 | cupis | mail problem? no rush for irssi, though this weekend I have a lot of Debian time, so might be better than during next week. |
| 13:41.56 | dpash | cupis: I've just discovered that my isp has stopped putting X-Envelope-To headers in their emails |
| 13:42.12 | dpash | cupis: so all mail is going to ~fecthamil/Maildir |
| 13:42.19 | dpash | which is not good |
| 13:42.30 | cupis | fecmail? |
| 13:42.34 | cupis | :) |
| 13:43.25 | dpash | not fetchmail's fault as far as I can tell |
| 13:46.01 | dpash | although I've not sure how I'm going to reinject all this mail |
| 13:46.31 | cupis | dpash: can't you just use formail and your procmail script? |
| 13:46.51 | cupis | s/your (procmail) script/$1/ |
| 13:48.28 | dpash | cupis: I don't use procmail |
| 13:48.37 | dpash | anyone know sed well? |
| 13:48.48 | dpash | I need to get the email address out of |
| 13:48.50 | cupis | dpash: how do you normally filter? |
| 13:48.50 | dpash | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.55 | dpash | exim |
| 13:49.06 | cupis | ah |
| 13:49.50 | cupis | m/<(.*@.*)>/ should work? |
| 13:49.53 | dpash | cupis: i use exim to filter email |
| 13:50.04 | cupis | then the email address is in $1 |
| 13:50.10 | cupis | dpash: I understood. |
| 13:50.31 | dpash | secondary root% grep "for <.*@davidpashley.com>\;" $file | sed -e 'm/<(.*@.*)>/' |
| 13:50.31 | dpash | sed: -e expression #1, char 1: Unknown command: ``m'' |
| 13:50.53 | cupis | dpash: use perl |
| 13:50.58 | dpash | no cupis |
| 13:51.06 | dpash | I want sed |
| 13:51.24 | dpash | perl will take too long |
| 13:51.27 | dpash | shell is easier |
| 13:51.50 | cupis | lose the 'm', should work |
| 13:52.33 | cupis | the 'm' should be implicit |
| 13:55.23 | dpash | sed -e 's/for <\(.*\)>.*/\1/g' |
| 14:03.48 | *** join/#gllug skugg (stig@void.printf.net) |
| 14:04.16 | skugg | hey. |
| 14:04.21 | skugg | good morning |
| 14:07.14 | dpash | sendmail vim@davidpashley.com < 1046957710.2598.secondary && rm -f 1046957710.2598.secondary |
| 14:07.24 | dpash | does that look like it will work in all cases? |
| 14:07.43 | dpash | someone shout before I bounce 1000+ emails |
| 14:07.53 | dpash | I've already bounced 1 |
| 14:08.21 | dpash | skugg: never mind</pity> |
| 14:08.29 | dpash | cupis: seem sensible? |
| 14:08.50 | cupis | dpash: you are trying to do... |
| 14:09.14 | dpash | cupis: reinject all this mail sitting in ~/fetchmail/Maildir/cur |
| 14:09.15 | cupis | redeliver the mails via exim? |
| 14:09.20 | dpash | cupis: yep |
| 14:09.36 | dpash | looking in the received headers |
| 14:09.53 | cupis | I suspect that there is a better way, but that looks okay. Make a backup of all the mails first, though. |
| 14:10.02 | dpash | ".*for <.*@davidpashley.com>.*" |
| 14:10.11 | dpash | cupis: that isn't my worry |
| 14:10.30 | dpash | cupis: I'm worried I'm going to send all this mail back to the list it came from |
| 14:10.38 | cupis | ah |
| 14:10.47 | dpash | cupis: there is 158 mails for gllug |
| 14:10.49 | cupis | try it on an example mail? |
| 14:11.01 | dpash | yeah I think I shoud do a few by hand first |
| 14:11.42 | cupis | dpash: why not manually filter them into ~/Maildir or wherever? Or can you manually run them through your exim filter? |
| 14:18.25 | dpash | cupis: not really. It is easier to reinject them into exim |
| 14:18.56 | dpash | cupis: my filter works on the original reciepiant |
| 14:19.29 | dpash | recipient |
| 14:19.40 | dpash | okay here goes |
| 14:24.13 | dpash | thank makes me happier |
| 14:24.25 | dpash | just firewalled off port 25 |
| 14:24.31 | dpash | so outgoing emails will not get there |
| 14:27.57 | *** join/#gllug formi (~formi@usr1570-har.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:28.25 | formi | ibot: seen sash |
| 14:28.28 | | i haven't seen 'sash', formi |
| 14:29.23 | dpash | exim is chugging away |
| 14:32.09 | dpash | 1045 mails left to go |
| 14:33.30 | dpash | 845 |
| 14:34.58 | cupis | dpash: are they arriving in your mailbox okay? |
| 14:35.44 | dpash | cupis: well they won't be going out because they are firewalled |
| 14:36.04 | dpash | most are still on the queue as I have a max loadavg of 5 |
| 14:36.16 | dpash | the ones I've seen are |
| 14:36.31 | dpash | 425 |
| 14:36.51 | cupis | http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif |
| 14:37.14 | Leeds | my /usr is full... |
| 14:37.22 | dpash | every so often it delivers 5 or so emails |
| 14:38.25 | dpash | http://www.think.cz/eats/kiwi-PREP.gif |
| 14:40.38 | dpash | which was kinda funny when I first found that as one of my friends at uni was from NZ |
| 14:41.23 | dpash | okay finsihed sending the @davidpashley.com emails |
| 14:41.25 | dpash | 32 left |
| 14:41.40 | dpash | most of which should be @parguild.co.uk |
| 14:41.56 | dpash | Leeds: rm -rf /usr/share/doc |
| 14:42.21 | Leeds | # ls -l /usr/share/doc |
| 14:42.21 | Leeds | ls: /usr/share/doc: No such file or directory |
| 14:42.32 | Leeds | # ls -l /usr/doc |
| 14:42.32 | Leeds | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jun 21 2002 /usr/doc -> /video/moved/usr/doc/ |
| 14:42.43 | dpash | Leeds: crappy non FHS distro |
| 14:42.51 | Leeds | bah humbug |
| 14:43.29 | cupis | Leeds: rm -r /usr/src/* |
| 14:43.43 | Leeds | # du -sk /usr/src/ |
| 14:43.44 | Leeds | 52 /usr/src |
| 14:44.09 | dpash | w00t 1588 mails on the queue |
| 14:44.11 | cupis | Leeds: how big is /usr? |
| 14:44.22 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@sc-gw4.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 14:44.28 | dpash | rm -rf /usr/share/gnome? |
| 14:44.54 | Leeds | possibly :-) |
| 14:44.59 | dpash | highbury: you work for homechoice? |
| 14:45.04 | Leeds | or rm -rf /opt/kde |
| 14:45.17 | dpash | Leeds: since when is /opt in /usr? |
| 14:45.37 | dpash | highbury: as in the catalogue people/ |
| 14:45.48 | Leeds | it isn't - but the gnome space is more useful than the KDE space :-P |
| 14:46.10 | dpash | Leeds: doubt that ;) |
| 14:46.21 | Leeds | dpash: no, highbury uses homechoice as in the video-on-demand-over-ADSL people who also give a data service |
| 14:46.50 | dpash | Leeds: ah okay must be thinking of someone else (company wise) |
| 14:47.38 | dpash | hmm I could be waiting a while for my mail to arrive |
| 14:47.44 | Leeds | cupis: I like the Bart imge |
| 14:47.49 | dpash | 1517 mails in queue |
| 14:48.04 | dpash | amavis sucks |
| 14:48.29 | cupis | Leeds: someone answered a dumb question on a mailing list with that link :) |
| 14:48.43 | dpash | cupis: lol |
| 14:48.51 | dpash | I still prefer the kiwi |
| 14:49.18 | dpash | cupis: mail is definitely coming in correctly |
| 14:49.29 | dpash | once this is done I can lart my ISP |
| 14:49.40 | Leeds | maybe I should delete all the non-en locales in /usr/share/locale |
| 14:49.54 | dpash | Leeds: what about for non-en users? |
| 14:50.00 | cupis | Leeds: yes, that is likely be pretty large, actually |
| 14:50.05 | dpash | s/for/your/ |
| 14:50.09 | cupis | dpash: what about them? |
| 14:50.11 | Leeds | dpash: this is a single-user machine... |
| 14:50.30 | dpash | Leeds: you never know when a zulu speaker is going to want to use your machine |
| 14:50.59 | Leeds | okay... can I *move* and compress that stuff to a different filesystem? |
| 14:51.19 | dpash | imagine that she was a very fit nymphomanic who wants to read her mail |
| 14:51.30 | dpash | but she can't because she doesn;t speak english |
| 14:51.33 | Leeds | um, what? :-) |
| 14:51.51 | Leeds | she'd be sshing to her own machine, surely? |
| 14:52.02 | dpash | Leeds: webmail |
| 14:52.11 | cupis | dpash: if she's a nymph, you can probably distract her from wanting to check her mail |
| 14:52.23 | cupis | dpash: just get her to check her male instead |
| 14:52.26 | dpash | cupis: no very important mail |
| 14:52.36 | dpash | overrides her need for sex |
| 14:53.58 | Leeds | that's more like it... |
| 14:55.50 | Leeds | strangely enough, a significant part of /usr/lib is qt... |
| 14:56.24 | Leeds | in fact, I appear to have a complete source tree in there! |
| 14:56.54 | cupis | Leeds: uninstall unused -dev packages? |
| 14:57.15 | Leeds | what's a -dev package? |
| 14:57.35 | dpash | what is that silly build form source distro? |
| 14:57.47 | Leeds | is that the evil thing where you can install a library without the headers? |
| 14:57.58 | cupis | Leeds: source packages, development packages... |
| 14:58.05 | dpash | Leeds: you apear to have a crap packaged qt |
| 14:59.02 | dpash | oh yeah that would involve a package manager ;) |
| 14:59.10 | Leeds | no it wouldn't... just ar and tar |
| 14:59.20 | dpash | Leeds: indeed |
| 14:59.32 | dpash | better than rpm2cpio and cpio |
| 14:59.43 | dpash | and possibly [t]ar as well |
| 15:00.02 | dpash | cupis: crappy source distro is called .... |
| 15:00.13 | Leeds | gentoo? sourcerer? |
| 15:00.24 | dpash | gentoo that is it |
| 15:00.48 | cupis | dpash: there's a non-crappy source distro? |
| 15:01.20 | dpash | cupis: probably not, unless you count debian |
| 15:01.56 | cupis | dpash: Debian is not primarilly a source-based distro |
| 15:04.10 | Leeds | that was quite a quick mozilla build... took about 40 minutes |
| 15:04.46 | cupis | Leeds: um removing the sources tree to mozilla will probably free you a bit of space :) |
| 15:05.15 | Leeds | they're not in /usr :-) |
| 15:06.54 | Leeds | and yes, I do mean they... |
| 15:07.18 | Leeds | # du -sk /games/mozilla/ |
| 15:07.18 | Leeds | 1640434 /games/mozilla |
| 15:07.38 | Leeds | # du -sk /usr |
| 15:07.39 | Leeds | 1367936 /usr |
| 15:07.40 | cupis | yah, because mozilla is so obviously a game |
| 15:07.49 | Leeds | so my mozilla directory is bigger than all of /usr put together :-) |
| 15:08.06 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.09 | cupis | Leeds: and that doesn't strike you as wrong? |
| 15:08.47 | Leeds | I've got three build mozilla source trees, one binary tree and three source tarballs (two bz2, one gz) in there... |
| 15:08.57 | Leeds | there's no shortage of space on that filesystem at this point |
| 15:09.15 | dpash | david david% du -sk kdelibs/ |
| 15:09.16 | dpash | 56164 kdelibs |
| 15:09.16 | dpash | david david% du -sk kdebase/ |
| 15:09.16 | dpash | 52400 kdebase |
| 15:10.13 | dpash | Leeds: how big is a mozilla source tree these days? |
| 15:10.21 | Leeds | built? |
| 15:10.25 | dpash | clean |
| 15:10.33 | Leeds | clean, dunno... |
| 15:10.39 | dpash | okay build |
| 15:10.40 | Leeds | I've not got a clean, recent tree |
| 15:10.48 | Leeds | # du -sk 1.3 |
| 15:10.48 | Leeds | 469505 1.3 |
| 15:10.56 | Leeds | that's built from CVS this morning |
| 15:11.22 | dpash | david david% du -sk kdebase/ kdelibs |
| 15:11.22 | dpash | 250992 kdebase |
| 15:11.22 | dpash | 64504 kdelibs |
| 15:11.32 | dpash | but I dont trust the kdelibs |
| 15:12.54 | dpash | 1059 mails still on queue |
| 15:13.01 | dpash | amavis really sucks |
| 15:13.19 | dpash | I can't wait until I upgrade to exim 4 w/ exiscan |
| 15:27.14 | *** join/#gllug Jenson_ (1000@dial81-131-190-241.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 15:27.26 | dpash | hi Jenson_ |
| 15:28.18 | Jenson | How are you dpash |
| 15:29.53 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 15:30.42 | Jenson | hiya |
| 15:31.52 | Leeds | what's up? |
| 15:32.15 | Jenson | Notihng much |
| 15:32.16 | Jenson | you? |
| 15:32.28 | Leeds | making disk space... |
| 15:33.24 | skugg | hi jenson |
| 15:33.26 | skugg | :) |
| 15:34.05 | Jenson | hi skugg |
| 15:34.26 | skugg | gllug meeting 12th of April? |
| 15:34.34 | Jenson | should be |
| 15:34.44 | Jenson | awww |
| 15:34.49 | skugg | celebrating 3 birthdays at once. |
| 15:35.18 | dpash | Jesgood |
| 15:35.20 | Leeds | real, official, and what? |
| 15:35.27 | dpash | Jenson: good |
| 15:35.35 | skugg | my brother, myself and my dad turn 20, 25 and 50 roughly around then. |
| 15:35.54 | dpash | skugg: I thought you were older |
| 15:35.59 | skugg | so we celebrate it together when I'm there for a quick visit over easter. |
| 15:36.00 | dpash | hmmm |
| 15:36.18 | skugg | dpash, than what? I didn't say which was me :P |
| 15:36.29 | dpash | 590 emais to go |
| 15:36.33 | Leeds | skugg: you're older than your dad? |
| 15:36.44 | skugg | Leeds, in some respects. |
| 15:36.44 | dpash | skugg: I assumed that they were respectively |
| 15:36.53 | skugg | dpash, they were. I'm just joking |
| 15:37.41 | skugg | Leeds, my dad is a tech infant :P |
| 15:37.48 | Leeds | fair enough :-) |
| 15:38.23 | Jenson | BRB |
| 15:39.07 | skugg | Leeds, anyone hired yet for that position at yours? |
| 15:39.24 | skugg | I haven't heard anything yet, but then i didn't really expect to either... |
| 15:39.26 | skugg | :) |
| 15:39.36 | Leeds | skugg: I dpm |
| 15:39.40 | Leeds | ugh |
| 15:39.54 | Leeds | I don't think anyone has been hired - I know my manager has been interviewing |
| 15:39.59 | skugg | okay |
| 15:40.09 | Leeds | but he was off a couple of days this week sick, anyway |
| 15:41.29 | skugg | i see. i assume those legible for an interview would have been notified though. I take it my cv was filed in the round filing cabinet at the side of his desk 8) |
| 15:43.03 | skugg | on the happy side, i got a letter from natwest yesterday, saying they've upped my overdraft to £500. it came completely out of the blue -- I'm not legible for an overdraft. |
| 15:43.06 | skugg | :) |
| 15:43.13 | Leeds | nice :-) |
| 15:43.18 | Jenson | abck |
| 15:43.20 | Jenson | erm back |
| 15:43.27 | skugg | yeah, it means I can pay rent next month :P |
| 15:43.49 | Leeds | I would hope/assume that you'd at least get a "sorry, we're not interested, go away little man" from us... |
| 15:44.10 | dpash | eligible |
| 15:44.31 | skugg | Leeds, okay. I got an email saying they'd recieved the cv, but nothing else (yet) |
| 15:44.36 | dpash | legible is somethig very different |
| 15:44.44 | Leeds | he has said that he's concentrating on more senior people first, in a hope of hiring a senior engineer to help hire the more junior people |
| 15:44.50 | Leeds | turns of? |
| 15:44.54 | Jenson | lol |
| 15:44.54 | Leeds | :-P |
| 15:44.55 | Jenson | off |
| 15:44.58 | dpash | okay turns down |
| 15:45.10 | Leeds | I think you meant turns off |
| 15:45.10 | dpash | oh bugger it |
| 15:45.18 | dpash | Leeds: yeah what ever |
| 15:45.32 | dpash | some git was making lots of noise this morning at 5:00 |
| 15:45.46 | skugg | dpash, 'tis the laws of usenet manifesting themselves on irc! :P |
| 15:45.49 | Leeds | someone is hammering around here right now... |
| 15:46.24 | skugg | "all spelling/grammar flames must contain spelling/grammatical errors of their own" |
| 15:46.27 | skugg | :D |
| 15:46.41 | Jenson | so that the flamers get flamed |
| 15:47.09 | dpash | Jenson: hmmm toasted marshmellow |
| 15:47.18 | Jenson | :) |
| 15:48.04 | dpash | piracy thread is getting good ;) |
| 15:49.59 | formi | a bit boring I would say |
| 15:50.25 | skugg | i delete all those mails at sight |
| 15:50.34 | Leeds | skugg: I'm on one right now - bought it last week from John |
| 15:50.43 | Jenson | I like standard keyboards, although i really don't need a numpad coz I never can manage to type on thae fdamn things |
| 15:50.47 | formi | anyway the moniker unsubscribed quite a while ago |
| 15:51.05 | Leeds | the moniker? |
| 15:51.23 | formi | the bloke who starter the thread |
| 15:51.57 | Leeds | a moniker is a name... do you mean originator? |
| 15:52.15 | formi | and then complained about too much politics on the channel |
| 15:52.26 | formi | yes leeds the originator |
| 15:52.44 | formi | ibot: what is a moniker? |
| 15:52.44 | | formi: what are you talking about? |
| 15:53.02 | dpash | formi: no one seems to have followed me up on that thread yet |
| 15:53.06 | dpash | very disappointing |
| 15:53.32 | Leeds | dpash: that's because it's not debian-legal :-P |
| 15:54.10 | dpash | Leeds: I don't read d-legal |
| 15:54.31 | dpash | Leeds: but I agree with the reason for having it |
| 15:54.59 | Leeds | right - it keeps all the legal freaks in one place, out of everone else's way |
| 15:55.29 | formi | there is a legal freak in the consume list |
| 15:55.44 | nasrat | consume-legal does exist |
| 15:55.54 | formi | everytime somebody says something he jumps with the legal explanation |
| 15:55.59 | skugg | nasrat, hi |
| 15:56.04 | formi | nasrat: Im not a masoquist |
| 15:56.25 | formi | funnily enough the bloke works for demon |
| 15:56.28 | dpash | consume? |
| 15:56.41 | formi | dpash: www.consume.net |
| 15:56.53 | Leeds | I know a guy who used to work for Demon who's into consume... |
| 15:56.54 | nasrat | dpash: community wireless networking |
| 15:56.56 | formi | wireless organizartion |
| 15:57.07 | formi | Steve |
| 15:57.11 | dpash | ah right that thing |
| 15:57.11 | formi | something |
| 15:57.42 | formi | Steve Kennedy |
| 16:02.26 | *** join/#gllug dankolb (~dankolb@spookhive.demon.co.uk) |
| 16:03.05 | dankolb | Hi all |
| 16:03.15 | nasrat | hi dan |
| 16:03.27 | dankolb | How's it going? |
| 16:03.33 | Jenson | hey Dan |
| 16:03.39 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 16:05.10 | Leeds | whoa! they've re-released the (windows-only) original Grand Theft Auto for free :-) |
| 16:05.21 | dankolb | Cool |
| 16:10.35 | dankolb | Free Beer, I take it? |
| 16:10.54 | Leeds | apparently |
| 16:10.59 | dankolb | Better than nothing |
| 16:11.03 | Leeds | not free speech, I think |
| 16:11.08 | Leeds | the site is overloaded |
| 16:11.11 | dankolb | Hehe. |
| 16:11.20 | dankolb | What about the CD audio tracks? |
| 16:11.24 | Leeds | no ida |
| 16:11.27 | Leeds | ibot slashdot |
| 16:12.19 | dpash | dpkg -i foo.deb? |
| 16:12.28 | dankolb | ibot lart dpash |
| 16:12.34 | dankolb | rpm -Uvh foo.rpm |
| 16:12.35 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:12.48 | dankolb | Or more likely, ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 16:12.51 | dpash | tar -xzvf crappydistro.tgz? |
| 16:13.03 | Leeds | tar zxvf filename ; ./configure; make ; sudo make install |
| 16:13.03 | Jenson | dpash: Don't encourage me, I'll get to Debain eventually |
| 16:13.04 | dankolb | But it would help to know what it was that was downloaded |
| 16:13.15 | dankolb | Nooooo. You don't want to do that. |
| 16:13.30 | dpash | dankolb: yeah make install is evil |
| 16:13.38 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:13.42 | dpash | make install DESTDIR=debian/tmp is much nicer |
| 16:13.52 | dpash | packaging systmes are good |
| 16:14.07 | dankolb | Nah. They're overrated. |
| 16:14.08 | Jenson | ooh ooh ooh. I've just remembered I wanted to install Final Doom in DOS |
| 16:14.38 | Leeds | packaging systems suck |
| 16:15.31 | dpash | not being able to remove crap programs sucks |
| 16:15.37 | Jenson | grrr why is the MS word 2000 disc in th Final Doom box |
| 16:15.39 | formi | ports systems are very nice |
| 16:15.55 | dankolb | Yeah....the shit Debian package management tools screwed up a bit yesterday |
| 16:16.08 | dankolb | And XChat 1.8.10 appears to be a bit broken |
| 16:16.10 | dpash | dankolb: like what? |
| 16:16.15 | dankolb | Hmm. |
| 16:16.20 | dankolb | It works here. Doesn't work in a query tab |
| 16:16.30 | Jenson | Well it does work |
| 16:16.33 | Jenson | just not for you |
| 16:16.39 | dankolb | Do you have XChat 1.8.10? |
| 16:16.50 | Jenson | I have 1.8.9 |
| 16:16.53 | dankolb | Exactly |
| 16:16.56 | dankolb | 1.8.9 did work |
| 16:17.08 | Jenson | Was gonna go to 2 but it wouldnt install |
| 16:17.16 | dankolb | Hehe :) |
| 16:17.25 | dankolb | 2 hasn't made it in to the fink repository yet |
| 16:17.39 | Leeds | the free GTA is 336Mb! big download... |
| 16:17.46 | Jenson | Right now I've found the Final Doom CD |
| 16:17.55 | dpash | Leeds: and I only brought it a few months ago |
| 16:17.59 | dankolb | Are you using it at the moment? |
| 16:18.14 | Leeds | yup |
| 16:18.16 | dpash | dankolb: you like fink, but not debian? |
| 16:18.31 | dankolb | I like apt. I'm using it on RedHat |
| 16:18.33 | dankolb | And OS X |
| 16:18.53 | dpash | apt is pointless on RH |
| 16:19.07 | dankolb | No it's not. |
| 16:19.15 | formi | RH is pointless |
| 16:19.20 | dpash | formi: LOL |
| 16:19.41 | dpash | dankolb: Debian's strenghts is not apt |
| 16:19.57 | dankolb | Debian has strengths? |
| 16:20.14 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:20.31 | dpash | dankolb: and redhat has some? |
| 16:21.38 | formi | dpash: it you consider a strenghts to make people depressed |
| 16:21.57 | dpash | formi: we have relationships for that |
| 16:23.55 | dankolb | dpash: Corporate support? |
| 16:26.03 | dpash | dankolb: I support Debian |
| 16:27.12 | dankolb | Bah |
| 16:27.23 | dpash | bah nothing |
| 16:27.26 | Leeds | Bah |
| 16:33.04 | *** join/#gllug KMD (~kemdi@host81-132-184-67.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 16:33.08 | formi | Im off to the shower |
| 16:34.11 | KMD | hello friends. |
| 16:34.56 | skugg | hi kmd |
| 16:35.04 | skugg | you been hanging here long? |
| 16:35.29 | KMD | Not really..... pass by sometimes. |
| 16:36.19 | dankolb | Hello ppl |
| 16:36.25 | dankolb | And Debian users |
| 16:36.26 | skugg | hi dan |
| 16:36.30 | skugg | :P |
| 16:36.47 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (Jenson@213.122.219.167) |
| 16:36.48 | skugg | :P |
| 16:36.56 | dankolb | BWAH! :( |
| 16:36.59 | dankolb | Hi Jenson |
| 16:37.49 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:37.52 | dpash | Jenson: use Debian instead |
| 16:38.03 | dankolb | No. Use BSD |
| 16:38.09 | dpash | turns out my email problem is due to a sendmail upgrade at our ISP |
| 16:38.09 | dankolb | BSD works |
| 16:38.16 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:38.28 | Jenson | dpash: It's just taken me about 10 minutes to get the the damn CDROM drivers to install |
| 16:38.33 | Jenson | This OS is so unstable |
| 16:39.22 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:40.07 | KMD | And which drivers ? mscdex ? |
| 16:40.29 | KMD | oh... he dashed off. |
| 16:40.29 | dankolb | That and the .SYS driver, probably |
| 16:40.34 | dankolb | *she |
| 16:40.49 | Leeds | dankolb: are you sure? |
| 16:40.49 | KMD | aha !! |
| 16:40.56 | dankolb | Leeds: Yes. |
| 16:41.08 | dankolb | I've checked a few times. |
| 16:41.13 | KMD | talking about cd drivers...... |
| 16:41.13 | Leeds | okay :-) |
| 16:41.42 | KMD | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.25 | Leeds | KMD: I don't understand the question - I've used XP on a Viao, if that's what you mean |
| 16:42.49 | KMD | Yeah Leeds. on a grx516SP ? |
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| 16:43.00 | Leeds | no idea - it's my mum's :-) |
| 16:43.38 | dpash | Jenson: dankolb won't like you talking about slack like that |
| 16:43.53 | dankolb | wb |
| 16:43.59 | dankolb | Heh. |
| 16:44.03 | KMD | I tell you .... friend of mined out XP to restart a Linux install.... The dvd-cdr-w is not reading any media , all all. |
| 16:44.04 | Jenson | heh |
| 16:44.08 | Leeds | Jenson: you seem to have reached the important point where you realise that things are easier and more friendly in Linux :-) |
| 16:45.09 | dankolb | Heh |
| 16:45.10 | Jenson | Leeds: Well no actually. WinDoom is crap coz my sound is dead. DOS is being shit so I can't install DosDOOM, and LinuxDoom is refusing to install plus the sound doesnt work |
| 16:46.13 | Leeds | well... in my professional opinion... it sounds like... |
| 16:46.22 | Leeds | you're screwed... |
| 16:46.32 | Jenson | yeah |
| 16:46.33 | Jenson | lol |
| 16:46.53 | dankolb | Leeds: No. She has to wait until next week^U |
| 16:47.13 | Jenson | :) |
| 16:47.59 | Leeds | ibot rimshot |
| 16:48.00 | | ch-ch-chhh |
| 16:49.19 | KMD | who now uses reiserfs and ext3 ? |
| 16:49.37 | KMD | which ? |
| 16:49.38 | dankolb | Well, on my Slack machine, anyway |
| 16:49.39 | dankolb | Both |
| 16:50.21 | KMD | reiserfs on / booting off grub |
| 16:50.24 | Leeds | I use both |
| 16:50.56 | Jenson | Grr, I just fucked anopther XChat install up. |
| 16:51.40 | KMD | It's amazing that Grub doesn't do initrd or know of uit. |
| 16:51.50 | dankolb | heh |
| 16:51.51 | dankolb | How? |
| 16:52.06 | Jenson | lol i dunno |
| 16:52.17 | dankolb | Installing from source? |
| 16:52.23 | KMD | Can you pass parameters at boot up time , with GRUB ? |
| 16:52.24 | dpash | KMD: I use grub on ext3 with initrd |
| 16:52.30 | Jenson | Dont mind me I'm being a twonkle lol |
| 16:52.34 | Jenson | I'm just a bit dumb |
| 16:52.42 | dankolb | Heh. What're you doing exactly, then? |
| 16:52.53 | dpash | KMD: yes |
| 16:53.07 | dpash | KMD: add tehm to the end of the kernel command |
| 16:53.46 | dpash | KMD: do you want my grub/menu.lst |
| 16:54.51 | KMD | I've had to use grub on all scsi system and had to move to ext3 because it sruggles with reiserfs. Thx dpash ! |
| 16:55.01 | Jenson | OK Someone is gonna help me lol |
| 16:55.12 | dankolb | It'd help if you describe the problem, you knw |
| 16:55.12 | Jenson | I will successfully install something in Linux if it kills me |
| 16:55.14 | dankolb | *know |
| 16:55.22 | Jenson | dankolb: WTF is GLIB> |
| 16:55.27 | Jenson | s/>/? |
| 16:55.59 | dankolb | I think it's the GTK base library (as oppose to glibc) |
| 16:56.21 | Jenson | checking system type... Linux |
| 16:56.22 | Jenson | checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config |
| 16:56.22 | Jenson | checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no |
| 16:56.22 | Jenson | *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why... |
| 16:56.22 | Jenson | *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the |
| 16:56.22 | Jenson | *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. |
| 16:56.24 | Jenson | configure: error: "Cannot find glib" |
| 16:56.32 | dankolb | Ah. |
| 16:56.36 | KMD | Thanks for that.... dpash |
| 16:56.36 | dpash | Jenson: glib is used by gtk |
| 16:56.42 | dankolb | Yeah, you don't have the GLIB 2 libraries installed |
| 16:56.48 | dpash | KMD: that is from the server, it may not be great |
| 16:57.02 | dpash | KMD: I can provide you with more copies |
| 16:57.13 | dankolb | You've got them for GTK/Gnome 1.4, not for the Gnome2 ones |
| 16:57.22 | KMD | No probs.... I have been a reiserfs/lilo user for too long , I guess. |
| 16:57.37 | Jenson | I've just eaten far too many biscuits |
| 16:57.40 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:57.45 | Jenson | I've got FreeBSD honey |
| 16:57.52 | dankolb | I know |
| 16:58.06 | KMD | Listen Jenson... Why not grab hold of a SuSE DVD didc |
| 16:58.09 | Leeds | glib is a nice library... |
| 16:58.17 | dankolb | But if you're going to go the source-code route, you'll have to be *very* patient over a modem |
| 16:58.48 | Jenson | dankolb: Me, patient? |
| 16:58.51 | dankolb | Compiling stuff on Linux tends to be problematic unless you've got the exact setup the original developer had |
| 16:58.54 | dankolb | Exactly |
| 16:59.25 | KMD | Oh yeah ? How about "make clean" |
| 16:59.38 | dankolb | What about it? |
| 16:59.51 | KMD | or make distclean, if you're brave enough |
| 17:00.08 | KMD | Then you can use your distro make tools. |
| 17:00.21 | Jenson | KMD: I've got 12 years Win experience, but when it comes to Linux I'm an idiot |
| 17:00.24 | skugg | dankolb, is there something magic on *bsd that makes it easier to get stuff to compile? |
| 17:00.35 | dankolb | skugg: Yeah, then Ports system |
| 17:00.45 | KMD | Jenson, ain't we all. sometimes ? |
| 17:00.57 | Jenson | KMD: Well yeah, but I am all the time |
| 17:01.03 | KMD | Go on, we'll wait. hehehe |
| 17:01.08 | dankolb | Jenson: Because you haven't been using it long. And know a lot more about it in the few months you've been using it, than most people in the same amount of time |
| 17:01.28 | skugg | dankolb, but wait, don't tell me... stuff you want to compile actually have to _be_ in the ports system then, don't it? |
| 17:01.40 | dankolb | Yeah, but almost everything you want to compile is in the ports system |
| 17:01.49 | skugg | famous last words. |
| 17:01.58 | dankolb | No. I said *almost* |
| 17:02.01 | skugg | you might as well install a deb or a deb-src then |
| 17:02.08 | dankolb | BAH |
| 17:02.17 | dankolb | But that would involve using a silly OS |
| 17:02.41 | dankolb | Hehe |
| 17:02.44 | dankolb | Have fun |
| 17:02.48 | skugg | "almost everything" you want to compile is as debs anyway. but if you want source straight from the author you have to compile it yourself -- there's no difference then. |
| 17:02.56 | skugg | dankolb, it would not. |
| 17:03.28 | dankolb | Linux is silly, anyway :) |
| 17:03.52 | Leeds | yeah - Solaris is serious |
| 17:04.01 | dankolb | Yeah :) |
| 17:04.39 | KMD | Mainly because of the heavy duty equipment of sun, I suppose. lol |
| 17:04.54 | skugg | dankolb, that's its _strength_ over *bsd :P |
| 17:05.05 | dankolb | Bah :-P |
| 17:06.33 | KMD | Hey dpash <<< You listening ? |
| 17:07.59 | dpash | KMD: yeah sorry |
| 17:08.34 | KMD | I got a 0 length file there. Nothing. lol |
| 17:08.55 | dpash | writing email asking if ISP will let us be primary NS and MX for our domains |
| 17:09.13 | dpash | KMD: /msg me your email address |
| 17:10.11 | KMD | kemdi-at-bigfoot-dot-com << dpash !! |
| 17:11.15 | dpash | KMD: that is a better version |
| 17:11.23 | dpash | from my machine |
| 17:12.32 | KMD | Great one <<dpash>> Now time to go watch Arsenal destroy another pretender. Cheers All. |
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| 17:13.32 | marko85_uk | sup everyone |
| 17:13.45 | marko85_uk | i managed to get my resolution right today |
| 17:15.29 | Leeds | cool |
| 17:15.30 | marko85_uk | can someone tell me |
| 17:15.31 | marko85_uk | how do i dial to my ISP |
| 17:16.14 | skugg | marko85_uk, normal modem? |
| 17:16.20 | dpash | marko85_uk: wvdial or kppp |
| 17:16.24 | skugg | pppconfig works great here... |
| 17:16.37 | dpash | marko85_uk: run wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf |
| 17:16.52 | dpash | marko85_uk: then edit that file and add your username, password and phone number |
| 17:16.54 | skugg | never tried anything else (apart from building the ppp-scripts by hand, but _that's_ a pain I think) |
| 17:16.57 | dpash | marko85_uk: then run wvdial |
| 17:17.08 | dpash | skugg: wvdial is so much better |
| 17:17.12 | dpash | skugg: it just works |
| 17:17.27 | skugg | dpash, pppconfig "just works" for me too. |
| 17:17.36 | skugg | if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
| 17:17.51 | dpash | skugg: that assumes debian |
| 17:17.56 | skugg | but I'll probably try wvdail if I need it on a new machine |
| 17:18.07 | skugg | dpash, does it? I didn't know pppconfig was debian-specific. |
| 17:18.09 | dpash | skugg: 3 commands and one of those is vim |
| 17:18.31 | skugg | vim is not a command, it's a way of life :D |
| 17:18.53 | dpash | skugg: lol |
| 17:19.56 | marko85_uk | so i type in /etc/wvdial.conf |
| 17:20.06 | marko85_uk | in the therminal |
| 17:20.41 | marko85_uk | but i added all the number |
| 17:20.43 | marko85_uk | i just need to dial |
| 17:21.21 | marko85_uk | i know red hat 7 had a thing where u click |
| 17:21.23 | marko85_uk | ppp |
| 17:21.24 | marko85_uk | something |
| 17:21.27 | marko85_uk | and then u press dial |
| 17:21.29 | marko85_uk | and modem dials |
| 17:22.14 | marko85_uk | and at the moment i cant find the dialer in red hat 8.0 |
| 17:22.29 | Leeds | marko85_uk: I did suggest asking on the mailing list - not many RedHat people around here |
| 17:22.53 | marko85_uk | ok |
| 17:22.55 | marko85_uk | ill do that |
| 17:23.02 | marko85_uk | how do i join the mailing list |
| 17:23.12 | dpash | marko85_uk: try kppp |
| 17:23.17 | dpash | or rp3 |
| 17:23.30 | dpash | I think rp3 is the thing you mean |
| 17:24.02 | marko85_uk | ill check everyone one of those out |
| 17:25.34 | marko85_uk | if i type rp3 in the therminal |
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| 17:25.37 | marko85_uk | will something come up |
| 17:25.50 | dpash | marko85_uk: possibly |
| 17:26.06 | marko85_uk | thanks ill try that |
| 17:26.10 | resuDaed_ssh | evening all |
| 17:26.27 | dpash | resuDaed_ssh: goodnight |
| 17:26.38 | resuDaed_ssh | dpash : where you off to? |
| 17:27.39 | marko85_uk | why red hat 8.0 doest offer another disc with all the drivers |
| 17:29.02 | Leeds | marko85_uk: go to http://www.gllug.org.uk |
| 17:29.37 | resuDaed_ssh | many drivers are binary (closed source) also there may be a copyright issue as shipping with redhat would imply a redhat product (am not sure on that one) |
| 17:31.09 | A4266 | G'day every1 |
| 17:31.20 | resuDaed_ssh | evening A4266 |
| 17:31.30 | Tarragon | Evening |
| 17:31.42 | resuDaed_ssh | I didn't make it up there today (was going to come and bug you 2 @ work) |
| 17:31.44 | dpash | resuDaed_ssh: meal with my parents for their birthday |
| 17:31.46 | A4266 | hmmm...It is that time of the day too... |
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| 17:32.08 | resuDaed_ssh | dpash : if there is a spare seat ... I am starving |
| 17:32.15 | resuDaed_ssh | ;-) |
| 17:32.28 | marko85_uk | why is it a mailing list |
| 17:32.30 | marko85_uk | why isnt it a forum |
| 17:32.32 | marko85_uk | ) |
| 17:32.46 | A4266 | resuDaed: You'd only have bugged david 'cause he's working on his own today |
| 17:32.56 | resuDaed_ssh | I thought you were down there? |
| 17:33.05 | resuDaed_ssh | is he still working then? |
| 17:33.16 | A4266 | no, only 1 of us works week ends at a time |
| 17:33.22 | resuDaed_ssh | ah |
| 17:33.24 | A4266 | ya, he's stil lthere with Paul doing installs |
| 17:34.22 | resuDaed_ssh | if he needs a hand, tell him to ring me |
| 17:34.35 | Leeds | marko85_uk: because that's the way we do things... there is an archive |
| 17:34.36 | resuDaed_ssh | A4266 : btw, you know I lost that 40GB HDD? |
| 17:34.42 | dpash | resuDaed_ssh: bugger off. It's all mine |
| 17:34.48 | resuDaed_ssh | dpash : lol |
| 17:35.02 | dpash | resuDaed_ssh: besides you need to wear a suit and get to Milton keynes by 7:00 |
| 17:35.07 | marko85_uk | leeds i clicked on suscribe |
| 17:35.14 | A4266 | what!!?? How'd you do that?? |
| 17:35.18 | marko85_uk | and it just opened up my outlook |
| 17:35.18 | marko85_uk | and i send a message |
| 17:35.25 | resuDaed_ssh | dpash : can be done ... depends on the quality/quantity of food :-) |
| 17:35.41 | resuDaed_ssh | A4266 : no I lost as in it died, a few months back |
| 17:35.42 | dpash | suit required so it better be good |
| 17:36.07 | A4266 | ohh, that 1. Hehe !! Though it was a new 1 |
| 17:36.08 | Leeds | dpash: your parents only have one birthday? |
| 17:36.47 | dpash | Leeds: yeah |
| 17:36.59 | resuDaed_ssh | A4266 : well, it was built shipped before they reduced the 3yr warranties down to 1yr ... just checked it (well last night) and it is under warranty till JAN04 |
| 17:37.02 | A4266 | What about it? |
| 17:37.05 | Leeds | marko85_uk: go to the webpage for the list, and subscribe there |
| 17:37.08 | dpash | Leeds: no they are near each other and they decided to go out together |
| 17:37.23 | A4266 | Cool. When you gonna cash in on it? |
| 17:37.45 | Leeds | dpash: fair enough - same with my family - we've got about 6 birthdays (and 2 anniversaries) in the last 10 days of October... |
| 17:38.16 | marko85_uk | leeds this site is really stange |
| 17:38.18 | marko85_uk | i went to |
| 17:38.27 | marko85_uk | i got it |
| 17:38.28 | marko85_uk | sorry |
| 17:38.29 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 17:38.36 | resuDaed_ssh | the problem is they wont accept returns until you run some diagnostic program on it ... I am tempted to ring up and say that I don't accept licenses for closed source software or something (is a boot time thingie) and sounds like to much hassle (finding a decent floppy) |
| 17:39.17 | A4266 | lol |
| 17:39.35 | A4266 | I have a few spare floppies lying around here. |
| 17:39.38 | resuDaed_ssh | or maybe the fact that I don't have any licenses for windows, and therefore would be illegal for me to use the installation program |
| 17:39.55 | A4266 | They're useless to me as my floppy has gone the way of the dod |
| 17:39.57 | A4266 | *dodo |
| 17:40.07 | Leeds | Department of Defense? |
| 17:40.24 | A4266 | hmmm... Do ya have to supply proff of the licenses? |
| 17:40.32 | A4266 | *proof |
| 17:40.43 | resuDaed_ssh | no, but it would be illegal for me to install windows to run the installation program |
| 17:41.01 | A4266 | ahh. I get your point. |
| 17:41.10 | Leeds | wine? :-) |
| 17:41.24 | A4266 | Bring the hdd and prog over and we can use my folks machine :) |
| 17:42.02 | resuDaed_ssh | could do, I need to finish my breakfast first though |
| 17:42.18 | A4266 | lol, save some for me. I haven't had any yet!! |
| 17:42.38 | resuDaed_ssh | Leeds : and how is some idiot on the other end of a helpdesk even going to know what linux is, yet lone wine |
| 17:42.51 | resuDaed_ssh | "just click on My Computer" |
| 17:43.29 | marko85_uk | lol |
| 17:43.33 | A4266 | lol |
| 17:43.57 | A4266 | 'but my mouse wount reach that far!!' |
| 17:44.03 | A4266 | *won't |
| 17:45.05 | resuDaed_ssh | I remember trying to explain to a BT support person that I don't have windows, and therefore don't have My Computer an cant run you installation program from the site ... too about 10 minutes |
| 17:45.23 | resuDaed_ssh | at which point I asked to be put through to an engineer or their supervisor |
| 17:45.34 | A4266 | lol |
| 17:46.19 | resuDaed_ssh | at least with telewest, I phone up (at 3am) say I need to register another MAC address, they ask me my account number, and the MAC address |
| 17:47.07 | Leeds | I'd probably get into pulling "I work for Sun" rank at that point |
| 17:47.28 | resuDaed_ssh | if they had told me to run winipcfg, I would have flipped (I don't ringing 1st line support where thy think they know more than the customer al the time |
| 17:47.28 | A4266 | I like them for that. And the engineers that came over to install ours actually new what linux was |
| 17:47.51 | resuDaed_ssh | impressive, that has to be a first |
| 17:48.51 | A4266 | david and I had a good chat with them. It was most defintly interesting |
| 17:50.28 | resuDaed_ssh | damn impressive down/uptime ratio aswell |
| 17:50.36 | A4266 | yup. |
| 17:50.56 | A4266 | We where down the other day for a whole 5 min!!! |
| 17:51.18 | resuDaed_ssh | I didn't notice (although I was probably working) |
| 17:51.23 | A4266 | I can't believe they did that to us!! a whole 5 min in over 6 months!! |
| 17:51.39 | A4266 | heh |
| 17:52.25 | A4266 | It was also at about 2 in the morning. We only noticed because we didn't have internet and we kept getting a lan ip address |
| 17:53.03 | resuDaed_ssh | the longest I ever had was half an hour (ages ago), I rang up to see if there was a problem at there end (not my dodgy windows network), they said there was a problem, they had engineers dealing with it, they estimated an hour ... took them 30 mins |
| 17:53.20 | A4266 | cool |
| 17:53.46 | resuDaed_ssh | and this was me checking my emails before I left for work 4.30am :-) |
| 17:53.54 | resuDaed_ssh | anyway ... enough plugging for telewest |
| 17:53.56 | A4266 | lol |
| 17:54.32 | resuDaed_ssh | they rock ... I use them ... just a sahme about upstream |
| 17:55.16 | A4266 | ya, thats the only short coming. Unless they have packages that have higher upstreams? |
| 17:56.55 | resuDaed_ssh | they have 1024K/256K |
| 17:57.05 | resuDaed_ssh | s/K/k |
| 17:58.04 | resuDaed_ssh | so thats 120kB downloading and 30kB up (ish), thats still not sufficiant |
| 17:58.08 | Leeds | unfortunately, no-one saw fit to cable my street... it runs past the end of the road, but not in :-( |
| 17:58.17 | A4266 | :( |
| 17:58.26 | A4266 | Run your own cabling ;) |
| 17:58.40 | stephen | Leeds: dsl isn't that bad, is it? |
| 17:58.44 | Leeds | I can live with ADSL :-) |
| 17:58.56 | stephen | exactly |
| 17:58.56 | resuDaed_ssh | Leeds : get on down to a plant hire shop and hire a cactus and do some DIY |
| 17:59.08 | Leeds | hire a cactus??? |
| 17:59.16 | stephen | bizarre |
| 17:59.16 | resuDaed_ssh | JCB |
| 17:59.16 | Leeds | you're smoking something? |
| 17:59.19 | A4266 | some form of heavy machinay |
| 17:59.33 | A4266 | machinary |
| 17:59.47 | A4266 | I think its aq backhoe or something like that :D |
| 18:00.40 | Leeds | anyway, I'm waiting for my work ADSL at the moment... then I have to decide if I want to get rid of my Freeserve or not :-) |
| 18:01.31 | resuDaed_ssh | go for an isp that down't put adverts on teir homepage |
| 18:01.48 | A4266 | heh |
| 18:02.01 | stephen | If ukfsn is offering it by then, i'd probably get it from them |
| 18:02.04 | resuDaed_ssh | f2s, telewest etc |
| 18:02.14 | Leeds | I'd like to be able to afford A&A |
| 18:02.31 | resuDaed_ssh | stephen : are they planning to offer it? |
| 18:02.39 | stephen | but actually I'll probably be out of range of ADSL, so will probably have to stick to cable |
| 18:02.40 | Leeds | if for no other reason than their homepage is sod.ms |
| 18:02.59 | stephen | resuDaed: yes, but only if they can make it financially viable |
| 18:03.06 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: jason has said many times that the initial outlay to get it is very high |
| 18:05.44 | resuDaed_ssh | you can register .me.uk, but can you register .me yet? |
| 18:07.37 | Tarragon | Back in a bit - Have to go find antique computers in the attic. |
| 18:07.43 | skugg | what would 'me' be? |
| 18:07.58 | skugg | which country I mean? |
| 18:09.38 | Leeds | there is no .me ccTLD http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm |
| 18:10.35 | skugg | i see. |
| 18:11.36 | Leeds | I think he's talking about a newfangled TLD, like .info or .museum |
| 18:12.40 | Leeds | hmmm.... ns.veritas.com is one of the top-level servers for .er Eritrea |
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| 18:13.23 | cupis | dpash: ping |
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| 18:21.59 | eye69 | Evening |
| 18:25.36 | Leeds | yup |
| 18:28.57 | Leeds | sleep well :-) |
| 18:29.00 | Leeds | I need to buy one... |
| 18:29.01 | eye69 | Frame base, SilentNight |
| 18:29.09 | eye69 | £500 in total |
| 18:29.12 | eye69 | Kingsize |
| 18:29.16 | Leeds | including matress? |
| 18:29.19 | eye69 | Yeah |
| 18:29.23 | Leeds | not bad... |
| 18:29.46 | eye69 | Pillows, cover and linen |
| 18:30.06 | skugg | eye69, i envy you. |
| 18:30.12 | eye69 | skugg: Me too |
| 18:30.30 | eye69 | I'm getting the matress in 7-10 days and the frame in 3-4 weeks...they needed to order |
| 18:30.39 | eye69 | As long as I get the matress I can wait |
| 18:30.58 | skugg | it was vile |
| 18:31.14 | eye69 | Heh |
| 18:31.31 | eye69 | I need to buy some kingsize stuff |
| 18:31.31 | resuDaed_ssh | I need an imaginative domain, stolen.servehttp.com is too long |
| 18:31.43 | eye69 | resuDaed_ssh: Hmmmmm |
| 18:32.02 | eye69 | urchin.net |
| 18:32.16 | resuDaed_ssh | I was going to register po.ng, but I can't find a decent registrant in nigeria |
| 18:32.22 | eye69 | Oh |
| 18:32.26 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: servessh.com :-) |
| 18:32.34 | eye69 | Leeds: Haha |
| 18:32.49 | Leeds | it's available... |
| 18:33.46 | resuDaed_ssh | yeah, but I use ssh for personal use only, (and the 3 or 4 people that have accounts for running bitchx) |
| 18:34.58 | resuDaed_ssh | resudaed.com |
| 18:35.04 | resuDaed_ssh | love it |
| 18:35.17 | Leeds | get .org if you can - please |
| 18:35.33 | resuDaed_ssh | why? |
| 18:36.02 | Leeds | are you planning to do commercial stuff with it? |
| 18:36.07 | resuDaed_ssh | if I can afford, I may aswell go for the whole package, .co.uk, .net |
| 18:36.19 | Leeds | are you planning to offer network services with it? |
| 18:36.29 | resuDaed_ssh | Leeds : yes and yes |
| 18:36.45 | Leeds | okay... but you know what I mean... |
| 18:36.59 | resuDaed_ssh | I know, I shall register .org to make you happy |
| 18:37.02 | Leeds | people who 'go for the whole package' are part of the problem, not the solution |
| 18:37.40 | resuDaed_ssh | I know, but it is a nickname that has no other meaing to anyone else and I would like to retain as my own |
| 18:37.55 | *** join/#gllug omphe (~omphe@keiko.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:38.12 | resuDaed_ssh | for now I shall use resudaed.com |
| 18:38.27 | Leeds | even so - it's not really fair to claim all possible use if you're not going to *make* all possible use of it |
| 18:38.29 | omphe | hello everyone |
| 18:39.01 | Leeds | hi |
| 18:40.15 | *** join/#gllug dankolb (~dankolb@spookhive.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:40.49 | resuDaed_ssh | ibot convert $32.95 to £ |
| 18:41.01 | resuDaed_ssh | ibot convert $32.95 to sterling |
| 18:41.13 | resuDaed_ssh | ibot convert $32.95 to pounds |
| 18:41.19 | resuDaed_ssh | wtf |
| 18:41.21 | eye69 | ibot convert 32.95 USD to GBP |
| 18:41.23 | dankolb | boo |
| 18:41.25 | resuDaed_ssh | do |
| 18:41.26 | resuDaed_ssh | doh |
| 18:41.43 | dankolb | ibot change 32.95USD to GBP |
| 18:41.51 | dankolb | ibot change 33 USD to GBP |
| 18:41.52 | resuDaed_ssh | dankolb : boo |
| 18:41.55 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:42.12 | eye69 | ibot: change 500 gbp to sek |
| 18:42.31 | Leeds | ibot convert 1 mile to nanoparsecs |
| 18:42.53 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@host213-122-100-41.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 18:42.56 | dankolb | Hi Jenson |
| 18:42.59 | Leeds | ibot brick Jenson |
| 18:43.01 | | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on Jenson and turns Jenson into a brick |
| 18:43.01 | Jenson | hey dankolb |
| 18:43.03 | resuDaed_ssh | hi Jenson |
| 18:43.08 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:43.08 | Jenson | Hello Leeds |
| 18:43.12 | Jenson | hey resuDaed_ssh |
| 18:43.24 | Jenson | I know full well what I want to do |
| 18:43.28 | Jenson | Just don't know how to |
| 18:43.33 | resuDaed_ssh | module is emu10k1 |
| 18:43.33 | dankolb | You want to get it working? |
| 18:43.45 | resuDaed_ssh | (IIRC) |
| 18:44.01 | Jenson | resuDaed_ssh: I know....but how do I get insmod sound to point to that instead of the default one |
| 18:44.01 | dankolb | Jenson: Paste the output of 'lsmod' |
| 18:44.18 | Leeds | Jenson: that stuff is set in /etc/modules.conf |
| 18:44.30 | Jenson | Module Size Used by Tainted: P |
| 18:44.30 | Jenson | sound 52876 0 (unused) |
| 18:44.30 | Jenson | soundcore 3236 2 (autoclean) [sound] |
| 18:44.30 | Jenson | ppp_deflate 38912 0 (autoclean) |
| 18:44.30 | Jenson | bsd_comp 3936 0 (autoclean) |
| 18:44.31 | Jenson | ppp_async 6464 1 (autoclean) |
| 18:44.33 | Jenson | ppp_generic 14664 3 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async] |
| 18:44.35 | Jenson | slhc 4416 0 (autoclean) [ppp_generic] |
| 18:44.37 | Jenson | pcmcia_core 40896 0 |
| 18:44.39 | Jenson | ide-scsi 7456 0 |
| 18:44.41 | Jenson | bash-2.05a# |
| 18:44.48 | dankolb | Ooh. So you can get your CD Writer working :) |
| 18:44.54 | dankolb | Okay. 'modprobe emu101k' |
| 18:44.59 | Leeds | Jenson: just try "modprobe emu10k" now |
| 18:46.04 | Jenson | I know what I want to d |
| 18:46.06 | Jenson | do |
| 18:46.18 | Jenson | But out of date guides to otther distros don't really help |
| 18:46.21 | resuDaed_ssh | emu10k1 |
| 18:46.22 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:46.36 | Leeds | tell us exactly what you want to do then |
| 18:46.40 | dankolb | Jenson: Do the modprobe manually, and just check that the sound card is working properly, first |
| 18:46.46 | Jenson | resuDaed_ssh: I know what they mean, I've got the same shit with Win |
| 18:46.58 | Jenson | dankolb: It works, in DOs at least, hence the Doom shit |
| 18:47.01 | resuDaed_ssh | jenson, type "modprobe emu10k1" |
| 18:47.07 | Jenson | I have res |
| 18:47.18 | resuDaed_ssh | and what happpened? |
| 18:47.24 | Jenson | Erm Nothing |
| 18:47.29 | resuDaed_ssh | no errors? |
| 18:47.34 | dankolb | lsmod again |
| 18:47.35 | Jenson | no, nothing at all |
| 18:47.40 | dankolb | See if it's loaded |
| 18:47.55 | Jenson | emu10k1 55680 0 (unused) |
| 18:47.56 | Jenson | ac97_codec 9568 0 [emu10k1] |
| 18:47.56 | Jenson | sound 52876 0 [emu10k1] |
| 18:47.56 | Jenson | soundcore 3236 7 (autoclean) [emu10k1 sound] |
| 18:47.56 | Jenson | ppp_deflate 38912 0 (autoclean) |
| 18:47.56 | Jenson | bsd_comp 3936 0 (autoclean) |
| 18:47.58 | Jenson | ppp_async 6464 1 (autoclean) |
| 18:48.00 | Jenson | ppp_generic 14664 3 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async] |
| 18:48.02 | Jenson | slhc 4416 0 (autoclean) [ppp_generic] |
| 18:48.04 | Jenson | pcmcia_core 40896 0 |
| 18:48.06 | Jenson | ide-scsi 7456 0 |
| 18:48.08 | dankolb | Cool. So it's loaded |
| 18:48.16 | dankolb | cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 18:48.21 | dankolb | Should produce a load of crap |
| 18:48.27 | dankolb | Or just play an MP3 file |
| 18:48.30 | Leeds | dankolb: naughty! |
| 18:48.37 | dankolb | <g> |
| 18:48.45 | nasrat | you may need to unmute it |
| 18:49.05 | Jenson | lol knowing me nasrat its something dumb |
| 18:49.35 | Leeds | Jenson: do you have aumix installed? mpg123? xmms? madplay? ogg123? |
| 18:49.50 | Jenson | Leeds: Should I know? |
| 18:50.11 | dankolb | Yeah. Type them in at the command line and see what happens :) |
| 18:50.37 | Leeds | aumix is, well, a mixer... the others are all audio players |
| 18:50.49 | Jenson | I think this install is corrupted |
| 18:50.54 | dankolb | Why? |
| 18:51.08 | Jenson | Coz it doesnt seem to be normal like anyone elses lol |
| 18:51.27 | dankolb | No-one's install is 'normal' |
| 18:51.28 | dankolb | :) |
| 18:51.37 | nasrat | Jenson: what distro? |
| 18:51.44 | dankolb | Slackware, of course :) |
| 18:51.47 | Leeds | nasrat: don't say it! |
| 18:51.57 | Jenson | I bet its muted |
| 18:52.04 | dankolb | Type 'aumix' |
| 18:52.04 | Jenson | Anyone like to tell me how to unmute it |
| 18:52.17 | Jenson | itsays cxommand not foind |
| 18:52.21 | nasrat | You may need the alsa tools if aumix doesn't work. |
| 18:52.21 | Jenson | well if i could tyope lol |
| 18:52.32 | dankolb | 'kmix' |
| 18:52.36 | dankolb | (or 'kmixer' |
| 18:52.37 | dankolb | ) |
| 18:52.44 | Jenson | I have Kmix |
| 18:52.51 | *** join/#gllug Huhn (~huhn@guru164.netsonic.fi) |
| 18:52.53 | Jenson | Shouldnt there be mixer tabs on it though |
| 18:52.58 | dankolb | Hey Huhn |
| 18:53.01 | Jenson | instead of a blank thing |
| 18:53.02 | Leeds | evening Huhn |
| 18:53.03 | Jenson | heya Huhn |
| 18:53.04 | dankolb | Dunno. Probably |
| 18:53.05 | Huhn | hi #gllug |
| 18:53.27 | omphe | guten abend Huhn |
| 18:54.08 | Jenson | Damn now I've lost the Kmix Menu too |
| 18:54.12 | Huhn | hallo omphe :) |
| 18:54.15 | Jenson | I'm sure it should have mixer tabs on |
| 18:54.21 | Jenson | Not just be blank |
| 18:54.31 | dankolb | Maybe you don't have permissions to access the sound devices? |
| 18:54.31 | Huhn | hi Jenson, dankolb, Leeds |
| 18:54.44 | Jenson | It'll be the same problem in root |
| 18:54.49 | dankolb | Ah |
| 18:54.51 | dankolb | Okay. |
| 18:54.56 | dankolb | Oh. |
| 18:55.01 | dankolb | How do you know? It may not be. |
| 18:55.02 | Jenson | Or at least I think it was |
| 18:56.07 | Huhn | sorry, wasn't here, what exactly is the prob? kmix? sound in general? |
| 18:56.14 | dankolb | Sound in general |
| 18:56.29 | Jenson | If I type cat /dev/sndstat it says no such device |
| 18:56.42 | Leeds | I think /dev/sndstat is long dead |
| 18:56.52 | Jenson | lol |
| 18:56.56 | Jenson | Its an old manual |
| 18:56.56 | dankolb | Hehehe |
| 18:57.05 | dankolb | Welcome to Linux documentation |
| 18:57.07 | Leeds | Jenson: do you have any MP3s to hand? |
| 18:57.07 | Jenson | I think its based on RedHat half the time too |
| 18:57.14 | Jenson | Leeds: yeah, they dont play |
| 18:57.19 | Jenson | or at least the sound dont come out lol |
| 18:57.22 | Leeds | what are you trying to play them with? |
| 18:57.29 | Huhn | which program, which error message? |
| 18:57.35 | Jenson | erm...whatever konqueror autoloads |
| 18:57.49 | Leeds | ugh... use real (i.e. console) software when debugging |
| 18:58.16 | Jenson | Leeds: I'm only just learning to use console though |
| 18:58.19 | Huhn | can you see if you have mpg123 installed (try it on the commandline) |
| 18:58.19 | Leeds | that way you are more likely to get real error messages |
| 18:58.37 | Huhn | and maybe look if you have aumix... |
| 18:58.46 | Jenson | I do have mpg123 |
| 18:58.49 | Jenson | I dont have aumix |
| 18:59.00 | Leeds | so if you run mpg123 with one of your MP3 files? |
| 18:59.09 | Jenson | And how do I do that Leeds? |
| 18:59.31 | Leeds | mpg123 <mp3filename> |
| 19:00.37 | Jenson | oh ok then |
| 19:00.59 | Leeds | "From beneath you it devours" |
| 19:01.09 | nasrat | lol |
| 19:01.36 | Leeds | ah - wondered who would recognise that |
| 19:01.37 | nasrat | hmm glibc buffy.po |
| 19:01.58 | Leeds | um, what? :-) |
| 19:02.12 | nasrat | custom error messages I think |
| 19:02.19 | nasrat | just wibbling |
| 19:02.30 | dankolb | Bye |
| 19:02.49 | Leeds | seeya dankolb |
| 19:03.01 | nasrat | bye dan |
| 19:03.09 | Huhn | bye dankolb |
| 19:03.42 | Jenson | Leeds: It says bash-2.05a# mpg123 gone.mp3 |
| 19:03.42 | Jenson | /tmp/mcop-jenson is not owned by user |
| 19:03.42 | Jenson | bas even though I'm using Root CoKonsole |
| 19:03.53 | Jenson | Damn XChat messed that up |
| 19:04.01 | Jenson | Anywa\y dinner time |
| 19:04.06 | Jenson | I'll be back in a little while |
| 19:04.09 | Leeds | um, what??? |
| 19:09.30 | Huhn | what's new in that version, Leeds? |
| 19:12.13 | Leeds | auto image resizing... |
| 19:12.18 | Leeds | bunch of new prefs stuff |
| 19:12.25 | Leeds | not a great deal |
| 19:12.42 | Huhn | mh |
| 19:13.12 | Leeds | it's more the principle... |
| 19:13.20 | Leeds | latest and greatest and all that :-) |
| 19:13.37 | Huhn | yeah, I want to try the new gimp as soon as I find the time |
| 19:14.00 | Leeds | which new gimp? |
| 19:14.15 | Huhn | I'm running 1.2 - the latest stable |
| 19:14.26 | Huhn | we saw this talk at FOSDEM on 1.3 |
| 19:14.34 | Leeds | oh, okay... |
| 19:14.50 | Leeds | was thinking I'd missed a stable release - it's important for work |
| 19:14.56 | omphe | what's on offer in 1.3 |
| 19:16.09 | Huhn | um.. difficult to describe in English.. what I liked was the feature that those tool options windows 'remember' where they were the last time you started the program.. |
| 19:16.35 | Huhn | if you organise them, they will appear at the same position after restart |
| 19:16.51 | Huhn | dunno, if that makes sense :) |
| 19:17.02 | omphe | yeah, and very desirable. |
| 19:17.09 | omphe | you every use gimp::fu |
| 19:17.17 | omphe | s/every/ever/ |
| 19:17.22 | Jenson | Back |
| 19:18.15 | Huhn | Jenson: could you try the mpg123 file.mp3 as 'normal' user, please? |
| 19:18.41 | Huhn | omphe: there were a coouple of more features.. very nice |
| 19:18.42 | Jenson | Huhn: I think the English would say 'auto-arrange' to tool organbizing |
| 19:18.46 | Jenson | Huhn: Yeah sure |
| 19:19.04 | Huhn | Jenson: thanks, that was the word missing :) |
| 19:19.53 | Jenson | Huhn: It says playing but the sound isnt coming out...and it works fine in DOS |
| 19:20.45 | Huhn | ok.. since this is crappy KDE stuff.. maybe somebody else can suggest a mixer or knows more about this arts stuff... |
| 19:21.39 | Leeds | oh, arts :-( |
| 19:21.41 | Leeds | bugger |
| 19:21.54 | Leeds | oh, wait - shouldn't be a problem with emu10k |
| 19:22.21 | Huhn | I can only guess if this has sth to do with arts or not |
| 19:23.00 | Jenson | I know when KDE starts it says artsmessage Cannot initialize /dev/dsp using /dev/null or something like that |
| 19:23.08 | Leeds | blah |
| 19:23.12 | Leeds | you need a decent mixer |
| 19:23.29 | Jenson | And console just said bash-2.05a$ mpg123 Gone.mp3 |
| 19:23.29 | Jenson | High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2, and 3. |
| 19:23.29 | Jenson | Version 0.59q (2002/03/23). Written and copyrights by Joe Drew. |
| 19:23.29 | Jenson | Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more! |
| 19:23.29 | Jenson | THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! |
| 19:23.31 | Jenson | Title : Gone Artist: Amber Brooke |
| 19:23.31 | Leeds | I think aumix is in the contrib section of Slackware... |
| 19:23.33 | Jenson | Album : Year : |
| 19:23.35 | Jenson | Comment: http://www.mp3.com/ Genre : Blues |
| 19:23.37 | Jenson | Playing MPEG stream from Gone.mp3 ... |
| 19:23.39 | Jenson | MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz stereo |
| 19:23.41 | Jenson | [3:35] Decoding of Gone.mp3 finished. |
| 19:23.43 | Jenson | Segmentation fault |
| 19:23.47 | Leeds | um |
| 19:23.52 | Huhn | waah |
| 19:24.10 | Huhn | mh, I wonder if this artsd is running at all.. |
| 19:24.34 | Jenson | Huhn: Seen as I have no idea what I'm doing, I have no idea what's running |
| 19:24.51 | Leeds | Jenson: "ps aux | grep arts" |
| 19:24.52 | Jenson | All I know it I did a full install coz I couldn't be bothered to sit and choose so everything should be installed |
| 19:25.17 | Jenson | Leeds: jenson 175 0.0 4.5 9264 5708 ? S 18:15 0:00 /opt/kde/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f |
| 19:25.17 | Jenson | jenson 434 0.0 4.5 9264 5708 ? S 18:53 0:00 /opt/kde/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f |
| 19:25.17 | Jenson | jenson 493 0.0 0.3 1408 496 pts/0 S 19:27 0:00 grep arts |
| 19:25.32 | Huhn | Jenson: I'm sorry that I don't know enough about KDE and this sound configuration, I remember that some ppl had similar probs |
| 19:25.53 | Leeds | mh |
| 19:25.56 | Leeds | hmmm |
| 19:26.06 | Huhn | ok, can you start kmix from an xterm in KDE? |
| 19:26.16 | Jenson | Huhn: Don't worry about it. I'm having loads of trouble with the Win drivers/patches too. It's fine in DOS so thats a good start |
| 19:26.35 | Jenson | I dont think my Kmix is working right |
| 19:26.44 | Leeds | Jenson: slackware 8.0? 8.1? |
| 19:26.54 | Jenson | It's just the title bar and a blank grey screen (I managed to losre the menu bar too) |
| 19:26.57 | Jenson | 8.1 |
| 19:27.34 | Leeds | wget ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.1/extra/aumix-2.7/aumix-2.7-i386-1.tgz |
| 19:27.43 | Leeds | su |
| 19:27.48 | *** join/#gllug BorgBaby (~BorgBaby@modem-244.tailslide.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 19:27.55 | Leeds | /sbin/installpkg aumix-2.7-i386-1.tgz |
| 19:28.00 | Leeds | exit |
| 19:28.02 | Leeds | aumix |
| 19:28.03 | Leeds | :-) |
| 19:28.23 | Jenson | Always seems to go wrong |
| 19:28.47 | Leeds | which is why I just pointed you at a binary package and gave you full instructions as to how to download and install it :-) |
| 19:28.52 | Jenson | Yeah |
| 19:28.54 | Jenson | hang on then |
| 19:30.25 | Huhn | Leeds: which mp3player do you use normally? |
| 19:30.58 | Leeds | Huhn: madplay or xmms - but I tend to listen to ogg vorbis files nowadays |
| 19:31.21 | Jenson | Right then Leeds I've done that |
| 19:31.36 | Leeds | and? |
| 19:31.43 | Jenson | And nothing |
| 19:31.44 | Huhn | Leeds: I like mp3blaster :) |
| 19:31.52 | Leeds | and nothing when you run aumix? |
| 19:32.08 | Jenson | Yeah. I typed aumix and nothing happened |
| 19:32.33 | Leeds | aumix -q |
| 19:32.58 | Leeds | Huhn: and how is that going to look on a 2/3 size xterm - i.e. my iPAQ |
| 19:33.07 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ aumix -q |
| 19:33.08 | Jenson | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 19:33.08 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ |
| 19:33.25 | Leeds | urgh |
| 19:33.25 | resuDaed_ssh | ok networking question, I have hosts on a private ip range behind a NAT router, how can I resolve these hosts from outside? |
| 19:33.30 | Leeds | ls -l /dev/mixer? |
| 19:33.45 | omphe | mp3blaster definitely does not work on an old Newton either. |
| 19:33.51 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: what do you mean by resolve? |
| 19:34.09 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ ls -l /dev/mixer |
| 19:34.09 | Jenson | crw-rw---- 1 root sys 14, 0 Jul 18 1994 /dev/mixer |
| 19:34.09 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ |
| 19:34.33 | Huhn | Jenson: type 'groups' and tell us in which groups you are |
| 19:34.50 | Jenson | users bin disk floppy mail games ftp console |
| 19:34.56 | Jenson | ie not one that it wants |
| 19:35.02 | resuDaed_ssh | ie, the hostnames go somewhere, is it possible for the gateway to pick up the hostname and forward to appropriate port |
| 19:35.14 | Leeds | Jenson: become root and run "chmod 666 /dec/mixer" |
| 19:35.30 | Huhn | nope, I wonder what slackware means by 'sys' :) |
| 19:35.46 | Jenson | ok Leeds |
| 19:36.09 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: what are you talking about? the gateway never sees the hostname, remember - all it sees is the IP (unless you're talking about protocol-level proxying) |
| 19:36.41 | resuDaed_ssh | eg, a request is made to box 'X' on port 80 on the IP address of the gateway, is it possible to have the gatway realise this request is for an internal box and forward the request/resones? |
| 19:36.51 | Jenson | I'm sure it's meant to actually say something. I've decided that when there is an error it tells me, otherwise it just doesnt say anything |
| 19:37.00 | Jenson | I wonder if rebooting or restarting X might help |
| 19:37.19 | Leeds | Jenson: I don't understand what you're saying... |
| 19:37.23 | Leeds | you did the chmod? |
| 19:37.27 | Jenson | I did |
| 19:37.34 | Leeds | and tried aumix -q agani? |
| 19:37.36 | Leeds | again |
| 19:37.42 | Jenson | erm nope |
| 19:37.44 | Jenson | You didnt say that |
| 19:37.45 | *** join/#gllug Davilion (~irvined@ppp-0-10.lond-b-1.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 19:37.49 | Jenson | ey Dave |
| 19:37.55 | Leeds | it's sort of implied... |
| 19:37.57 | Davilion | hiya |
| 19:38.02 | Leeds | hey Davilion |
| 19:38.05 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ aumix -q |
| 19:38.05 | Jenson | vol 67, 67 |
| 19:38.05 | Jenson | pcm 67, 67 |
| 19:38.05 | Jenson | speaker 67, 67 |
| 19:38.05 | Jenson | line 67, 67, P |
| 19:38.05 | Davilion | hi Leeds. |
| 19:38.06 | Jenson | mic 0, 0, R |
| 19:38.08 | Jenson | cd 67, 67, P |
| 19:38.10 | Jenson | igain 1, 1, P |
| 19:38.12 | Jenson | ogain 67, 67 |
| 19:38.13 | Huhn | hi Davilion |
| 19:38.14 | Jenson | line1 67, 67, P |
| 19:38.16 | Jenson | dig1 67, 67 |
| 19:38.18 | Jenson | phin 67, 67, P |
| 19:38.20 | Jenson | phout 67, 67 |
| 19:38.22 | Jenson | video 67, 67, P |
| 19:38.24 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ |
| 19:38.26 | Jenson | Leeds: I havent been using Linux long enough to know things like that :D |
| 19:38.34 | Leeds | Jenson: ls -l /dev/audio /dev/dsp |
| 19:39.03 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ ls -l /dev/audio /dev/dsp |
| 19:39.03 | Jenson | crw-rw---- 1 root sys 14, 4 Jul 18 1994 /dev/audio |
| 19:39.03 | Jenson | crw-rw---- 1 root sys 14, 3 Jul 18 1994 /dev/ds |
| 19:39.22 | Leeds | become root, run "chmod 666 /dev/dsp" |
| 19:39.33 | Leeds | you have to give your dsp to the devil... |
| 19:39.46 | Jenson | lol |
| 19:39.50 | Jenson | ok then |
| 19:40.04 | Leeds | it's like rock'n'roll, only geekier! :-) |
| 19:40.29 | Davilion | heheh |
| 19:40.52 | Jenson | Well, that doesnt seem to have chang3ed anything |
| 19:40.59 | Leeds | how do you know? |
| 19:41.21 | Jenson | Because aumix -q is the same |
| 19:41.45 | Leeds | and why would changing the permissions on your dsp device change the settings of your mixer? |
| 19:41.55 | Leeds | rebooting is almost always the wrong answer on Unix |
| 19:42.41 | Jenson | Leeds: I'm blonde, stupid and a newbie, don't expect me to know what I'm doing |
| 19:42.51 | Leeds | Jenson: I know all of the above :-P |
| 19:42.54 | Jenson | :D |
| 19:43.09 | Jenson | You're just such a romantic aren't you Leeds |
| 19:43.31 | Leeds | yup |
| 19:43.36 | Leeds | right... |
| 19:43.41 | Leeds | try the mpg123 line again |
| 19:43.45 | Jenson | ok then |
| 19:44.06 | Jenson | oooh it works! |
| 19:44.22 | Leeds | job done... almost |
| 19:45.01 | Huhn | *grin* |
| 19:45.04 | Jenson | i told my mother it works in DOS and Linux.so she said 'Well fix it in Win then' |
| 19:45.25 | Huhn | so, you can listen to mp3s now? |
| 19:45.32 | Jenson | It would appear so Huhn |
| 19:45.56 | Leeds | Jenson: add "alias sound emu10k" to /etc/modules.conf and it should all work transparently in the future |
| 19:46.11 | Huhn | cool, congrats |
| 19:46.25 | Jenson | Great....now I have to work out how to do that don't I |
| 19:46.42 | Leeds | you *really* need to learn basic vi |
| 19:46.50 | resuDaed_ssh | Jenson echo **** >> /etc/modules.comf |
| 19:46.51 | Jenson | and Leeds do you mean emu10k1 or emu10k |
| 19:47.04 | Davilion | Jenson: echo "alias sound emu10k" >> /etc/modules.conf;depmod -a |
| 19:47.16 | Jenson | Leeds: I learnt to quit from vi....before I kept loading it and getting stuck in it |
| 19:47.20 | Jenson | So I took to Kwrite |
| 19:47.26 | Leeds | okay, emu10k1 |
| 19:47.35 | Leeds | I thought you were using emu10k |
| 19:47.36 | Davilion | Jenson: vi /etc/modules.conf |
| 19:48.04 | Huhn | ok, vi course for beginners? :) |
| 19:48.05 | Davilion | ialias sound emu10k1<return><esc>:wq¬ |
| 19:48.12 | resuDaed_ssh | so going back to the networking thing, is there anyway that my *.resudaed.com boxes can be seen from the outisde world? |
| 19:48.20 | Davilion | resuDaed yes. |
| 19:48.29 | Jenson | erm bash-2.05a# echo "alias sound emu10k" >> /etc/modules.conf;depmod -a |
| 19:48.29 | Jenson | depmod: cannot read ELF header from /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/'uname -v'.default |
| 19:48.29 | Jenson | depmod: cannot read ELF header from /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/uname -v'.default |
| 19:48.29 | Jenson | bash-2.05a# |
| 19:48.30 | Davilion | but it depends what yuo mean by seen |
| 19:48.49 | resuDaed_ssh | Davilion : ideally transparantly |
| 19:48.54 | Davilion | Jenson: you need a 1 on the end of emu10k |
| 19:49.14 | resuDaed_ssh | but at the least for them all to be open on *.resudaed.com:80 etc |
| 19:49.16 | Davilion | Jenson: you need a 1 on the end of emu10k |
| 19:49.32 | Jenson | oh yeah |
| 19:49.33 | Jenson | duh |
| 19:49.48 | Leeds | Jenson: run vimtutor |
| 19:49.49 | Davilion | what does resudaed.com point to is it a cname for your ntl account? |
| 19:50.30 | Jenson | bash-2.05a# echo "alias sound emu10k1" >> /etc/modules.conf;depmod -a |
| 19:50.30 | Jenson | depmod: cannot read ELF header from /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/'uname -v'.default |
| 19:50.30 | Jenson | depmod: cannot read ELF header from /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/uname -v'.default |
| 19:50.30 | Jenson | bash-2.05a# |
| 19:50.33 | resuDaed_ssh | resuDaed.com is a DNS host apparantly |
| 19:50.39 | Davilion | what you could do is run squid on port 80 of gw.resudead.com |
| 19:51.00 | Davilion | and have www. foo. bar. pointing to your ntl box |
| 19:51.02 | Leeds | Jenson: ls -l lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1 |
| 19:51.13 | resuDaed_ssh | ntl = telewest |
| 19:51.15 | Davilion | when a machien connects its going to ask for www.foo.resudaed.com and your proxy could redirect it internally |
| 19:51.44 | resuDaed_ssh | I also want to be able to ssh in from outside |
| 19:52.08 | Davilion | thats possible with a bit of iptables but you need to remember that your internal hosts arent directly accessible, but you can forward traffic from your router box. |
| 19:52.15 | Jenson | grrr I hate Linux |
| 19:52.31 | Leeds | Jenson: or make that ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/sound |
| 19:52.35 | resuDaed_ssh | Jenson : I couldn't imagine trying to do what I am trying to do from under windows |
| 19:52.36 | Huhn | Jenson: no, you don't :) |
| 19:53.01 | Jenson | resuDaed_ssh: Don't talk about Windows...I got so stressed with sound setup |
| 19:53.03 | resuDaed_ssh | Davilion : can IPTables work from a hostname? |
| 19:53.27 | resuDaed_ssh | ie can it pick up on the various hostnames and redirect as appropriate? |
| 19:53.44 | Jenson | Leeds: Yeah, that worked. I won't flood the channel with it unless you wanna see it |
| 19:53.46 | Jenson | Now what? |
| 19:53.55 | resuDaed_ssh | Jenson : flood #morcanna |
| 19:54.14 | Leeds | Jenson: is there emu10k1 in there? |
| 19:54.18 | Jenson | hang on |
| 19:54.31 | Jenson | yeah |
| 19:54.39 | Leeds | is it a directory? |
| 19:54.49 | Jenson | yeah, like it should be |
| 19:55.01 | Leeds | why is depmod using the wrong option to uname? |
| 19:55.20 | Jenson | Probably coz I made it like that in previos attempts |
| 19:55.44 | Leeds | for the sake of all that is good and sane, why? |
| 19:56.04 | Jenson | Coz the manual said so...and no-one on here actually managed to help me |
| 19:56.19 | Leeds | which manual? |
| 19:56.26 | Leeds | and help you with what? |
| 19:56.44 | Jenson | Some outdated manual which seems to be based on OpenLinux and RedHat |
| 19:56.53 | Leeds | ugh |
| 19:57.10 | Jenson | Our local library doesnt seem to stock the Slack manuals |
| 19:57.23 | Jenson | And now I dunno what I did with my library card so it doesnt matter |
| 19:57.39 | Leeds | there aren't really many slack manuals... |
| 19:58.05 | Leeds | since slackware doesn't make you do things their way, you don't really need them - just generic documentation |
| 19:58.23 | Jenson | ie not OpenLinx and redhat docimentation |
| 19:58.27 | Leeds | yah |
| 19:58.34 | Jenson | :) |
| 19:58.43 | Leeds | although I did have a slack book years ago - I gave it away in 1998 though... |
| 19:58.46 | Davilion | resuDaed_ssh: no, because the host doesnt know what hostname was requested, it just gets a request for an ip address |
| 19:58.52 | Jenson | I think I made it worse not better in the process of making an effort |
| 19:59.03 | Davilion | http works differenly in which new versions ask for a site rather than just a page. |
| 19:59.07 | Leeds | Jenson: probably |
| 19:59.20 | Jenson | Doh |
| 19:59.34 | Leeds | :-) |
| 19:59.38 | Jenson | I can tell you what I did to make it like that if you want? |
| 19:59.41 | Jenson | If that helps |
| 19:59.49 | resuDaed_ssh | Davilion : well basically, anything .resudaed.com will get the ip for resudaed.com |
| 19:59.54 | Jenson | Seenas I have dug the manual out again |
| 20:00.06 | Leeds | that would help |
| 20:00.29 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: that's doable, but the gateway won't know which *.resudaed.com was requested |
| 20:00.43 | Jenson | I did insmod sound and then I did echo "sound" >> "'uname -v'.default" |
| 20:01.29 | Leeds | you really did echo "sound" >> "`uname -v`.default" |
| 20:01.37 | Leeds | that's a very very strange thing to do |
| 20:01.42 | Jenson | The manual told me to |
| 20:02.13 | resuDaed_ssh | Leeds : I have already set it up like that, but at the very least, I want to be able to ssh in and run more than one web server |
| 20:02.15 | Davilion | resuDaed in that case next best thing is port based forwarding |
| 20:02.20 | Davilion | alternatively set up a vpn |
| 20:02.32 | Leeds | Jenson: do you know what directory you were in when you ran that? |
| 20:02.53 | resuDaed_ssh | port forwaring would mean that a request for box2 would be on port 8080 or something? |
| 20:03.03 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: yes |
| 20:03.07 | Jenson | Leeds: Nope, I'm guessing /home/jenson though |
| 20:03.37 | Leeds | Jenson: in which case, that should be completely irrelevent |
| 20:03.47 | Leeds | ls -l /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/ |
| 20:04.18 | Jenson | bash-2.05a# ls -l /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/ |
| 20:04.18 | Jenson | total 44 |
| 20:04.18 | Jenson | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6 Mar 8 18:39 'uname -v'.default |
| 20:04.18 | Jenson | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 34076 May 31 2002 emu10k1.o.gz |
| 20:04.18 | Jenson | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6 Feb 22 10:39 uname -v'.default |
| 20:04.19 | Jenson | bash-2.05a# |
| 20:04.50 | Jenson | I think I might have done that again today whilst in that directory |
| 20:04.51 | Leeds | ugh! |
| 20:04.55 | resuDaed_ssh | by default, what ports can windows 2000 pro have open under default services? |
| 20:04.57 | Leeds | painful and nasty! |
| 20:05.11 | Leeds | Jenson rm -- *.default |
| 20:05.26 | Jenson | ah good idea Leeds |
| 20:06.03 | Jenson | Bloody hell |
| 20:06.07 | Jenson | I think I did that wrong lol |
| 20:06.11 | Jenson | Lets attempt that again |
| 20:06.17 | Leeds | be very careful |
| 20:06.36 | resuDaed_ssh | I could briefly open up telnet I spose (just testing the Dynamic IP Update Client |
| 20:07.11 | Jenson | Leeds: I did it right now |
| 20:07.18 | Jenson | They've gone |
| 20:07.26 | Leeds | Jenson: so depmod -a works now? |
| 20:08.18 | Jenson | Well I think it did something, didn't get an error msg anyway |
| 20:08.37 | Leeds | right... |
| 20:08.59 | Leeds | in which case, I think your sound is mainly working... if arts causes problems, that's something else, but the driver should be worknig fine |
| 20:09.17 | Jenson | Will it auto load the driver? |
| 20:09.22 | Leeds | should do |
| 20:09.40 | Leeds | to find out, fo "modprobe -r emu10k1" |
| 20:09.43 | Leeds | fo-do |
| 20:09.50 | Leeds | fo-do=fo=do |
| 20:09.59 | Leeds | run that command, dammit! :-) |
| 20:10.04 | Jenson | lol |
| 20:10.45 | Jenson | OK I did |
| 20:11.21 | Leeds | check it doesn't show up when you run lsmod |
| 20:11.27 | Leeds | then try to play an MP3 |
| 20:11.30 | Jenson | ok |
| 20:12.19 | Jenson | Yeah now it doesnt work |
| 20:12.58 | Leeds | bummer |
| 20:13.14 | Jenson | Do I need to do insmod sound? |
| 20:13.26 | Leeds | no, you shouldn't need to |
| 20:13.33 | Jenson | Shall I try? |
| 20:14.05 | Leeds | if you particularly feel the need to... |
| 20:14.47 | Jenson | Will it make it worse? |
| 20:15.12 | Leeds | probably not |
| 20:16.06 | Jenson | Then again, it might put as back right where we started |
| 20:16.27 | Leeds | very unlikely |
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| 20:16.55 | Jenson | I think it did |
| 20:17.05 | Jenson | bash-2.05a# insmod sound |
| 20:17.05 | Jenson | Using /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/sound/sound.o.gz |
| 20:17.10 | Jenson | wb Dave |
| 20:17.28 | Jenson | Playing MPEG stream from queen.mp3 ... |
| 20:17.28 | Jenson | MPEG 1.0 layer III, 192 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo |
| 20:17.28 | Jenson | [0:17] Decoding of queen.mp3 finished. |
| 20:17.28 | Jenson | Segmentation fault |
| 20:17.57 | resuDaed_ssh | *ouch* |
| 20:19.46 | Leeds | Jenson: it may be worth nothing that I have a card which uses emu10k1... and my sound is working fine... and I don't have the sound module loaded at all! |
| 20:20.12 | Jenson | Leeds: Yeah but this one is a complete bitch with Win driver too |
| 20:20.18 | Leeds | just soundcore, ac97_codec and emu10k1 |
| 20:20.24 | Leeds | what card have you got? |
| 20:20.46 | Jenson | Soundblaster Live 1024 |
| 20:21.02 | Leeds | same as me, I think... |
| 20:21.38 | Leeds | right, lets do this cleanly... |
| 20:21.42 | Leeds | go to /etc/rc.d |
| 20:21.50 | Leeds | run "grep emu10k1 *" |
| 20:23.21 | Leeds | Jenson: you there? |
| 20:23.27 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ grep emu10k1 * |
| 20:23.27 | Jenson | rc.modules:#/sbin/modprobe emu10k1 |
| 20:23.27 | Jenson | rc.modules:#/sbin/modprobe emu10k1-gp |
| 20:23.27 | Jenson | grep: rc.news: Permission denied |
| 20:23.27 | Jenson | bash-2.05a$ |
| 20:24.15 | Leeds | right... |
| 20:24.30 | Leeds | you want to uncomment that first line... but you don't know vi yet, right? |
| 20:24.38 | Jenson | Nope not yet |
| 20:24.50 | Jenson | And I'm really quite bored of trying to sort this out |
| 20:25.08 | Leeds | well, if you're bored, fine... |
| 20:25.13 | Leeds | but it's pretty much sorted |
| 20:25.34 | Jenson | I think I'll try and finish sorting it later |
| 20:25.39 | Jenson | Thanks for your help mate |
| 20:25.59 | Leeds | okay |
| 20:26.19 | Jenson | I'm gonna go lay down, before I get all stressed and start crying |
| 20:26.25 | Leeds | it's really pretty simple - 2 more minutes... |
| 20:27.10 | Jenson | OK then |
| 20:27.22 | Leeds | right, you're root? |
| 20:27.44 | Jenson | am now |
| 20:28.06 | Leeds | right, type "vi /etc/rc.d/rc.modules" |
| 20:28.24 | Leeds | then "/emu10k1" and hit return |
| 20:28.34 | Leeds | then hit d, then space |
| 20:28.45 | Leeds | then type ":wq: and hit return |
| 20:29.22 | Leeds | why would you not? |
| 20:29.37 | Jenson | You know what I'm like |
| 20:29.41 | Jenson | anyway, what next? |
| 20:29.47 | Leeds | that's it |
| 20:29.53 | Leeds | that means it will load the driver at boot time |
| 20:30.02 | Jenson | oh :) |
| 20:30.20 | Huhn | well done :)) |
| 20:30.40 | Jenson | Yeah, well done...except i think I fucked it up coz the audio doesnt work again |
| 20:30.53 | Jenson | I dont think I should have ever done insmod sound sgain |
| 20:30.55 | Leeds | "modprobe emu10k1" will fix it |
| 20:31.45 | Jenson | oh yeah |
| 20:31.46 | Jenson | :D |
| 20:31.48 | Jenson | Thank you |
| 20:34.02 | Huhn | I'm off to bed, see you |
| 20:34.07 | Leeds | the only remaining worrying thing is arts... but that should be no problem if you use kmp3mplayer or whatever they call it starting with K |
| 20:34.11 | Leeds | night, HuhnZzZ |
| 20:34.15 | HuhnZzZ | nn Leeds |
| 20:34.17 | Jenson | Cya HuhnZzZ |
| 20:34.26 | omphe | g'night Huhn |
| 20:34.37 | HuhnZzZ | nn Jenson and omphe |
| 20:36.02 | Jenson | I gtg |
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| 20:47.22 | resuDaed_ssh | there must be some form of advanced name based redirection thingie |
| 20:50.56 | resuDaed_ssh | port redirection just seems a cop-out |
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| 20:53.05 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: why? |
| 20:53.51 | Leeds | an incoming connection is identified by an IP/port pair - nothing more... in which case there's no way to tell the 'hostname' |
| 20:54.45 | resuDaed_ssh | ok, assume I have the box brian.resudaed.com behind the gateway ... port 80 would beocme port 81 or something, and would need to be specified |
| 20:55.04 | resuDaed_ssh | it doesn't make sense how no-one has come up with an eay way out of this one |
| 20:55.27 | formi | iptables ? |
| 20:56.03 | resuDaed_ssh | formi : yes, iptables would work for port forwarding, but I am not satisfied with something that sinmple |
| 20:56.44 | resuDaed_ssh | what I am trying to do does sound impossible ... to have 2 boxes listening on the same port on the same ip |
| 20:57.27 | formi | maybe some load-balancing piece of hardware |
| 20:57.49 | resuDaed_ssh | formi : but the box to be specfied |
| 20:58.18 | resuDaed_ssh | ie box1.resudaed.com and box2.resudaed.com, both on the same ip, both say different web servers |
| 21:00.25 | Clyphox | Howzit.. |
| 21:00.47 | resuDaed_ssh | evening Clyphox |
| 21:00.52 | formi | why do u want the same ip number? |
| 21:01.35 | resuDaed_ssh | formi : because I only have 1 public ip address |
| 21:02.18 | formi | wouldn't that ip be asigned to the gateway? |
| 21:02.36 | resuDaed_ssh | formi : yes (gatwaqy is resudaed.com) |
| 21:02.43 | Clyphox | Hi all |
| 21:02.52 | resuDaed_ssh | hi again Clyphox |
| 21:03.01 | Clyphox | resuDaed, beths gotta HDD now.. |
| 21:03.08 | formi | are you on blueyonder's cable service? |
| 21:03.16 | resuDaed_ssh | formi : yes |
| 21:03.34 | resuDaed_ssh | formi : why? |
| 21:03.56 | formi | because I've been thinking about something similar |
| 21:04.23 | resuDaed_ssh | formi : a way to trcik them into giving you multiple ips? |
| 21:05.09 | formi | that ain't feasible |
| 21:05.22 | resuDaed_ssh | didn't think so |
| 21:05.45 | formi | why do you think they don't give you more? |
| 21:05.59 | Clyphox | I need a Company name.. |
| 21:06.03 | resuDaed_ssh | so I don't run my own isp off them? |
| 21:06.12 | formi | obviously |
| 21:06.35 | formi | I don't know about the 1mb deal, you might ask magnus |
| 21:07.10 | resuDaed_ssh | I don't want to run an isp, I want to ssh into more than just my gatway by hostname |
| 21:07.42 | formi | what's the problem with ip addresses? |
| 21:07.57 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: it's not possible... the only way is to use multiple ports or just bounce through the gateway |
| 21:08.24 | resuDaed_ssh | Leeds : explain 'bounce through gateway'? |
| 21:08.29 | Leeds | ssh in, ssh out |
| 21:09.08 | formi | you can always ssh into the gateway and then into the private address boxes |
| 21:09.26 | Leeds | that's what I mean... |
| 21:09.47 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: you have to realise that NAT and suchlike are hacks - they're not how the Internet was designed... |
| 21:10.18 | formi | i know who ssh into his box as user (not root) and then ssh to root in the same box |
| 21:10.53 | formi | Leeds: do you know if ipv6 will change that? |
| 21:12.41 | Leeds | formi: sort of - there is absolutely no need for NAT with IPV6, so it shouldn't be a problem |
| 21:13.23 | formi | so I guess you wouldn't be able to trick your isp |
| 21:13.45 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: that's actually a possible solution if you want to get really adventurous - you can get an IPV6 subnet now, just by asking for one, and tunnel it through your existing connection |
| 21:13.55 | Leeds | the only problem is that you'd need ssh6... |
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| 21:14.24 | formi | Leeds: any ideas of the cost of that? |
| 21:14.35 | formi | s/of/about |
| 21:15.08 | Leeds | free |
| 21:15.26 | Leeds | I'd tell you the address, but my fucking mozilla has just fucking hung again |
| 21:15.33 | formi | juicy |
| 21:15.59 | Leeds | http://ipv6tb.he.net/ |
| 21:17.04 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 21:17.13 | Leeds | I think it's the find dialog which is killing it |
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| 21:21.19 | formi | how can you access an ipv6 host from a ipv4 one? |
| 21:21.55 | formi | are they completely separated? |
| 21:22.20 | Leeds | I'm not sure... |
| 21:22.34 | Leeds | I know there is a way to wrap a v4 address in a v6 address... |
| 21:22.54 | Leeds | but I don't know if that will just route sanely... |
| 21:22.57 | formi | i suppose you need to get to some sort of gateway |
| 21:23.09 | Leeds | I think one runs both... |
| 21:24.07 | formi | http://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html/ipng-main.html |
| 21:24.12 | Leeds | there's a guy on #handhelds.org who IRCs over v6... I could ask him, but he's not there |
| 21:24.19 | Leeds | oh, playground :-) |
| 21:24.19 | formi | can you see anything on that page? |
| 21:25.30 | Leeds | I don't seem to be able to get to it... |
| 21:25.57 | formi | http://www.cs-ipv6.lancs.ac.uk/ipv6/systems/linux/faq/linux-ipv6.faq-3.html |
| 21:26.07 | formi | im trying to get to the links on that page |
| 21:26.12 | Leeds | from either side of our firewall :-) |
| 21:26.47 | Leeds | try http://www.bieringer.de/linux/IPv6/index.html |
| 21:29.26 | Leeds | http://ipv6gate.sixxs.net/ |
| 21:29.37 | Leeds | ipv4->ipv6 gateway for http |
| 21:30.15 | Leeds | and my moz is dead again |
| 21:30.35 | formi | http://hs247.com/ |
| 21:30.48 | formi | that site has an interesting design |
| 21:33.25 | Leeds | an ugly one |
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| 21:37.00 | formi | ipv6 would make an interesting topic for a gllug talk |
| 21:37.55 | stephen | that or I'd be quite interested in GPG, but since most of you use it already, it's probably a bad choice of talk |
| 21:38.39 | cupis | stephen: some of _us_ may use it - but the talks are not just for us |
| 21:38.50 | formi | there was a key signing session at the last meeting |
| 21:39.22 | cupis | formi: eh? |
| 21:39.55 | cupis | in the pub after the meet? |
| 21:40.01 | formi | yeap |
| 21:40.19 | stephen | yeah, but that was just typical random key signing |
| 21:40.20 | formi | ask murble, he was the one who started it |
| 21:40.25 | cupis | well I suppose - and it seemed that only half-a-dozen people used GPG |
| 21:40.51 | stephen | i've got it installed, created a key, and then have virtually never used it |
| 21:41.53 | stephen | probably because I don't actually know anyone I communicate with who has it |
| 21:42.22 | resuDaed | how can you tell when someone last logged in? |
| 21:42.59 | formi | last |
| 21:43.07 | cupis | resuDaed: to your system? |
| 21:43.46 | resuDaed | cupis yes, I am wanting to see who is ssh access |
| 21:44.26 | resuDaed | is there something that goes back further than last? |
| 21:44.38 | resuDaed | last -num :-) |
| 21:49.15 | resuDaed | llast still only goes back 1 week(ish) any logs or anything that go back longer? |
| 21:49.31 | resuDaed | ibot seen fallen_angel |
| 21:49.35 | | fallen_angel <steve@pc-80-193-187-194-en.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 10d 5h 53m 52s ago, saying: '?>'. |
| 21:51.38 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-11-97.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:51.48 | stephen | evening Jenson |
| 21:51.53 | Jenson | hey stephen |
| 21:52.34 | resuDaed | hey Jenson |
| 21:52.46 | resuDaed | I have resudaed.com :-) |
| 21:53.13 | resuDaed | (for all those who hadn't yet realised;) |
| 21:53.30 | Jenson | :) |
| 21:53.38 | Jenson | And I can play MP3s in Linux :D |
| 21:56.13 | Jenson | eewwww evil sound distortion. I need my effects settings, Don't reckon I can get those in Linux though |
| 21:58.08 | Davilion | hdj: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x 1) |
| 21:58.11 | Davilion | heh doesnt sound good |
| 21:58.53 | Davilion | i pick a weekend at random to build my kit car and its a lovely week but ends in gales |
| 21:58.57 | Jenson | Davilion: You getting out of bed at 3am to watch the F1 tonight> |
| 22:00.11 | Davilion | nah,. |
| 22:00.23 | Davilion | im getting up at 8am to weld my chassis so want to be as awake as possible |
| 22:00.38 | Jenson | :) Like you do |
| 22:01.07 | Jenson | When we needed to weld a chassis we let some guy with a hoover that looked like it was made in WW2 do it. |
| 22:01.43 | Davilion | its looking sweet. |
| 22:01.50 | Davilion | anybody got a zaurus? |
| 22:03.01 | formi | i have played with them |
| 22:06.26 | Davilion | im thinking of getting one, the price is coming down because they are bringing out a new version real soon |
| 22:06.48 | Davilion | thinking it would look so funky above my mobile in the car. |
| 22:07.45 | Jenson | Davilion: Ah, asthetics might be fun, but is it worth the effort |
| 22:08.42 | Davilion | yeah i think so, i can use it as my mp3 player without having to use my lapdog |
| 22:09.12 | Jenson | :) Good idea |
| 22:09.49 | Davilion | and it looks cool, and has touch screen, and runs linux, and i could plug my gps into it, and it runs kismet, andi could go gps driving and wardriving and play mp3's all at the same time |
| 22:09.49 | formi | Davilion: the battery doesn't last much |
| 22:10.01 | Davilion | yeah, 1.5 hours. but i'd wire it into the car anyway |
| 22:10.26 | formi | i think you are a bit overoptimistic about that |
| 22:11.42 | Davilion | wiring it into the car? or the battery life :) |
| 22:12.05 | Davilion | battery isnt a problem for me, since its just going to sit in the car most of the time. |
| 22:12.17 | Davilion | i was playing with kismet on one last week and it was sweret |
| 22:13.32 | formi | i have done a lot of kismeting |
| 22:13.47 | Jenson | WE had a horse called Kismet |
| 22:13.51 | Jenson | or Kizmet |
| 22:13.53 | Jenson | or something |
| 22:13.58 | Jenson | not sure how it was spelt |
| 22:14.08 | Jenson | I was about 3 or 4 at the time |
| 22:15.43 | *** join/#gllug dpash (dpash@modem-2503.giraffe.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 22:15.52 | dpash | hi all |
| 22:16.01 | cupis | hi modem user |
| 22:16.17 | skugg | something wrong somewhere perhaps? :) |
| 22:16.24 | dpash | cupis: I fixed my email problem |
| 22:16.31 | dpash | cupis: it was a sendmail upgrade |
| 22:16.34 | skugg | or did everybody on "my" mailinglists suddenly aquire a life? :) |
| 22:16.43 | cupis | dpash: I received your test mail |
| 22:16.50 | dpash | cupis: the X-Envelope-To: header was a patch they had added to sendmail |
| 22:16.51 | cupis | skugg: the latter? |
| 22:17.05 | dpash | but they couldn't add it with the latest security update |
| 22:17.07 | Jenson | hey dpash |
| 22:17.13 | dpash | cupis: good |
| 22:17.22 | skugg | cupis, i dread to think... :) |
| 22:17.29 | dpash | cupis: I don't think managed to send any wrong emails |
| 22:17.34 | dpash | hi Jenson |
| 22:18.01 | cupis | dpash: I /msg'd you - guess it'll be waiting for you at work - the timing looked okay |
| 22:18.14 | dpash | hmm interesting I am dpash atm |
| 22:18.24 | dpash | must mean the router at work has died or something |
| 22:18.34 | Jenson | My lycos email address is werid. It doesnt delete the messages of the server just keeps redownloading them. Developed this problem a few weeks back in Outlook Express, but it seems to be server based |
| 22:18.53 | cupis | <-- dpash_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host) |
| 22:19.14 | cupis | I don't know about the real dpash :) |
| 22:19.32 | dpash | cupis: what time was that? |
| 22:20.06 | not_really_dpash | maybe I should go and find out what is going on |
| 22:20.29 | cupis | not_really_dpash: Mar 08 21:45:13 |
| 22:20.39 | not_really_dpash | hmmm 35 min ago |
| 22:20.54 | not_really_dpash | hey I can subtract time w00t |
| 22:20.59 | cupis | not_really_dpash: does it happen regularly? |
| 22:21.13 | not_really_dpash | cupis: no, not since we got the satellite |
| 22:21.22 | not_really_dpash | has been rock solid |
| 22:21.36 | not_really_dpash | I can't even ssh to the machine |
| 22:21.42 | cupis | not_really_dpash: go and power-cycle it |
| 22:21.55 | Jenson | not_really_dpash: You're damn nick takes up quarter of the screen lol |
| 22:21.58 | Jenson | Well not quite |
| 22:23.30 | i_could_make_it_ | or not |
| 22:23.40 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:23.59 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:24.15 | nr_dpash | okay I may quickly pop over the road and check out the router |
| 22:24.25 | Jenson | I don't think he means you Davilion |
| 22:24.48 | cupis | Davilion: dpash, not you |
| 22:24.48 | nr_dpash | brb |
| 22:24.50 | Jenson | ok |
| 22:24.53 | cupis | ooops |
| 22:25.21 | Jenson | cupis: gllug meeting....were you the cute on in the suit.hang on, there were 2 lol |
| 22:25.40 | Davilion | Leeds: is the ipaq's screen touch sensitive? ie, can i use my sticky fingers when im doing a 3 lane dash on the m1, or do i need to use a stylus? |
| 22:25.49 | cupis | Jenson: I wasn't wearing a suit. |
| 22:26.00 | Jenson | cupis: Were you one of the cute ones |
| 22:26.05 | Davilion | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3404755198 |
| 22:26.07 | Davilion | oh baby |
| 22:26.10 | Jenson | Better still....has anyone uploaded there pics yet? |
| 22:26.19 | cupis | Jenson: er, I don't know. |
| 22:26.23 | Tarragon | OK first attempt - http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ircphoto.html Still not written the opening page yet though - Why you should choose MS^H^H IRC and the fact that nearly everyone does not bite |
| 22:27.02 | cupis | hey Tarragon |
| 22:27.09 | Tarragon | Morning |
| 22:27.27 | Jenson | Tarragon: Did dankolb give you that pic of me? |
| 22:27.57 | Tarragon | Stole it from his collection |
| 22:28.01 | formi | flamming hell, know i realise who's agk |
| 22:28.35 | Jenson | I hate that picture |
| 22:28.53 | formi | leeds looks a bit hungry! |
| 22:29.10 | Tarragon | Jenson: Want to give me another? |
| 22:29.23 | skugg | tarragon, "cupis" is spelled "cupris" on that page... |
| 22:29.25 | skugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.32 | Tarragon | Bugger! |
| 22:29.35 | Jenson | Hang on, if I can find one that Dan will approve of I will |
| 22:29.53 | cupis | Tarragon: I told you about that ages ago! |
| 22:30.13 | cupis | you had my name in your 'phone wrong at fosdem :) |
| 22:30.33 | Tarragon | Changed! |
| 22:30.39 | Tarragon | Sorry |
| 22:30.45 | skugg | gah. nice picture. You couldn't find one of me where I looked slightly more awake? :D |
| 22:31.04 | cupis | Tarragon: np :) |
| 22:31.35 | Jenson | Tarragon: I found a better one |
| 22:31.37 | Jenson | You want? |
| 22:31.38 | skugg | i see they're from fosdem, the day of arrival |
| 22:31.46 | Davilion | dpash did we get introduced at gllug? |
| 22:31.58 | Davilion | you look strangely familiar |
| 22:32.00 | Jenson | Davilion: I think I introduced you |
| 22:32.23 | cupis | Tarragon: http://www.davidpashley.com/debian-kde/cupis.jpg |
| 22:32.26 | Tarragon | familiar^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H |
| 22:32.47 | cupis | Tarragon: lol |
| 22:33.04 | cupis | he's not here to defend himself :) |
| 22:33.35 | stephen | me neither, actually, I've 'met' very few of you |
| 22:33.38 | Jenson | Davilion: She was sitting outside in the corridor |
| 22:33.39 | Davilion | i think somebody pointed me at SpudULike |
| 22:33.52 | Jenson | Davilion: He's the mad giggling one who was in a red top |
| 22:33.55 | Davilion | ah possibly passed her, but definatly didnt get pointed at |
| 22:33.59 | cupis | Tarragon: you should have used dpash's sleeping picture :) |
| 22:34.54 | Davilion | heh, /me also realises who Tarragon is, which was funny because when i met Tarragon at gllug i didnt know it was Tarragon, but i did make a total tit of myself and go 'YOUR THE EDITOR' I think i mentioned something like, wow that was a bad photo |
| 22:35.04 | Davilion | then i think i started to gag on my shoelaces |
| 22:35.30 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:37.14 | Jenson | Tarragon: Absolutely gorgeous pic of my boy/f you put on that site *drool* |
| 22:37.55 | formi | http://www.formi.connectfree.co.uk/ |
| 22:37.58 | nr_dpash | back |
| 22:38.06 | nr_dpash | the router is working |
| 22:38.07 | Jenson | wb |
| 22:38.11 | formi | Tarragon, what do you think about that one? |
| 22:38.21 | nr_dpash | but it looks like the satellite terminal is not |
| 22:38.39 | nr_dpash | not sure if htta is due to astra for du eto the satellite dish moving in the wind |
| 22:38.39 | cupis | nr_dpash: topic is http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ircphoto.html |
| 22:39.06 | Tarragon | cupis: changed image |
| 22:39.24 | Jenson | Tarragon: I tried to DCC you a new image, but you'd gone |
| 22:39.37 | formi | cupis: come on, this is not a serius channel, no need of a tiw |
| 22:39.40 | Tarragon | DCC broke my end. |
| 22:39.44 | formi | s/tiw/tie |
| 22:39.57 | Jenson | ah lemme try again |
| 22:40.17 | nr_dpash | cupis: no bad cupis |
| 22:40.20 | cupis | formi: heh |
| 22:40.31 | resuDaed | grrr ... women |
| 22:40.33 | nr_dpash | ah lets not reply to something whenthe window is scrolled up |
| 22:40.52 | stephen | hmm, anyone the scp command to get a file from a remote computer? |
| 22:40.56 | cupis | * plonk * |
| 22:41.08 | cupis | stephen: scp user@remote:path/to/file ./ |
| 22:41.09 | Jenson | resuDaed: We need a pic of you for that page |
| 22:41.12 | formi | skugg looks very lovely |
| 22:41.18 | nr_dpash | cupis: comment about using me sleeping |
| 22:41.18 | Davilion | scp remotehost:remote/path local/path |
| 22:41.19 | resuDaed | stephen : scp user@host:/file /localfile |
| 22:41.33 | nr_dpash | go di hate mirc |
| 22:41.42 | nr_dpash | come on everyone hack me |
| 22:42.05 | cupis | Tarragon: tnx |
| 22:42.09 | nr_dpash | no that is not a request and anyone that does is in breach of the Comupter Misuse Act 1990 |
| 22:42.18 | cupis | nr_dpash: ah :) |
| 22:42.33 | resuDaed | Jenson : all digitalised pics of me (that I know about are @ stolen.servehttp.com/i/ the image directory of my site, so also full of crap - things that have a wierd looking digital camera assigned name are probably of me :-)) |
| 22:42.34 | stephen | cheers cupis and resuDaed |
| 22:42.48 | nr_dpash | I didn;t think Luton Steve was Steev |
| 22:43.00 | nr_dpash | I thought that was someone else |
| 22:43.14 | skugg | formi, indeed. |
| 22:43.16 | skugg | :P |
| 22:43.30 | skugg | bah. |
| 22:43.31 | skugg | it's boring. |
| 22:44.01 | resuDaed | global dns updates take to long |
| 22:44.07 | resuDaed | (24-72 hours) |
| 22:44.33 | stephen | that did it, thanks resuDaed |
| 22:44.39 | resuDaed | g2g, beth is about to kill me |
| 22:44.43 | resuDaed | np stephen |
| 22:44.43 | Jenson | cya |
| 22:44.48 | cupis | Tarragon: ahem you haven't changed the width/height attributes for cupis.jpg on ircphoto.html :) |
| 22:44.52 | stephen | I should really stop using plain vanilla ftp |
| 22:45.01 | nr_dpash | Jenson: who is going? |
| 22:45.10 | Jenson | resuDaed is |
| 22:45.11 | nr_dpash | ah resuDaed |
| 22:45.46 | stephen | cya resuDaed |
| 22:47.36 | Tarragon | Jenson: Image changed |
| 22:47.54 | Jenson | ty Tarragon |
| 22:48.18 | stephen | cool website formi :) |
| 22:48.43 | Jenson | Tarragon: If you want one of zimm looking dead on new years eve I'm sure he'd appreciate that >:) |
| 22:49.05 | Tarragon | cupis: attributes changed |
| 22:49.34 | nr_dpash | Tarragon: can I have dpash.png? |
| 22:49.34 | Jenson | nr_dpash: My mate insisted that I let him take a pic...we were meant to be taking pics of houses for coursework |
| 22:49.34 | highbury | Tarragon: jpeg sent! |
| 22:49.42 | Jenson | heya highbury |
| 22:49.48 | cupis | Tarragon: ty |
| 22:49.50 | highbury | Hi folk |
| 22:49.55 | nr_dpash | Tarragon: Dpash.png doesn't look right |
| 22:50.16 | Jenson | lol nr_dpash |
| 22:50.26 | cupis | nr_dpash: change nick to dpash_not ? |
| 22:50.39 | cupis | pls |
| 22:50.45 | nr_dpash | why? |
| 22:51.12 | cupis | otherwise I'll keep calling you dpa^I |
| 22:51.14 | highbury | hey, that was quick, I'm already on the page |
| 22:51.50 | cupis | Jenson and Leeds are tilted at the same angle now :) |
| 22:52.22 | Jenson | Tarragon: That pic I'm DCCing you is zimm looking whacked...I expect he'll kill me but nevermind |
| 22:52.24 | dpash | I hate the way mirc sends /msgs to the same window as the channel |
| 22:52.39 | Jenson | dpash: Thats dumb |
| 22:52.45 | skugg | dpash, why use it then? :) |
| 22:52.45 | dpash | makes you think that your /msg actually went to the channel |
| 22:52.54 | cupis | dpash: try gaim? |
| 22:53.01 | skugg | irssi |
| 22:53.08 | highbury | trillian |
| 22:53.12 | dpash | skugg: cos I'm on a windows box and I can't be bothered to check if knoppix will run the crappy winmodem in this machine |
| 22:53.30 | highbury | Trillian is nice Windows multi-messaging tool |
| 22:53.32 | skugg | dpash, so? heard of putty? :) |
| 22:53.46 | dpash | skugg: I would if my fscking router was contactable |
| 22:54.01 | dpash | skugg: I don't run screen for nothing |
| 22:54.37 | skugg | only programs I run on windows are putty / vim :P |
| 22:54.43 | skugg | dpash, good for you |
| 22:54.59 | highbury | Tarragon: can you scale my thumb-nail up a touch, as it looks rather jaggy, and slightly smaller |
| 22:54.59 | skugg | oh, and I test that my programs build under cygwin once every blue moon |
| 22:55.01 | Tarragon | dpash: any better? |
| 22:55.11 | dpash | while I was over the road I discovered that my ISP will let me run primary DNS in the office and they will be a secondary NS and MX |
| 22:55.31 | dpash | Tarragon: you are a star |
| 22:55.43 | dpash | Tarragon: sorry for being picky |
| 22:55.54 | dpash | Jenson: some german git will win |
| 22:56.01 | dpash | Jenson: I wouldn't bother |
| 22:56.36 | dpash | hmmm recv'd 6 ping replies form my sat box |
| 22:56.46 | Jenson | lol dpash |
| 22:57.40 | highbury | Tarragon: you could have peoples names to the left, and then have picture to the right, to leave room for people to have alternative poses ;-) |
| 22:57.49 | dpash | grrr 98 command window can't have scroll back |
| 22:57.54 | highbury | ie. multiple pictures |
| 22:58.10 | highbury | dpash: doskey |
| 22:58.16 | Jenson | highbury: We're geeks, not models :P |
| 22:58.35 | highbury | you speak for yourself ;) |
| 22:58.35 | dpash | highbury: not command history, but back buffer |
| 22:58.52 | Jenson | lol highbury |
| 22:59.14 | highbury | dpash: its an option to make it bigger |
| 22:59.25 | dpash | particularly fetching in a red 2 piece underwear set |
| 22:59.33 | highbury | as the catalogue shows |
| 22:59.36 | dpash | highbury: in NT, but not 98 |
| 23:00.14 | Jenson | lol dpash |
| 23:01.04 | Tarragon | highbury: thumbnail rescaled |
| 23:01.06 | Jenson | Other than my mate Bee who chats here sometimes and zimm, I don't have pictures of any of the other that aren't on the site yet |
| 23:01.11 | omphe | I can barely take the glamour in here tonight! ;) |
| 23:02.03 | stephen | indeed |
| 23:02.04 | omphe | Careful Tarragon, they'll be asking for you to gimp slim thighs onto them soon. |
| 23:02.27 | cupis | see what you did, omphe? |
| 23:02.30 | stephen | he's buggered off! |
| 23:02.38 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:02.40 | stephen | so he has, he's scarpered |
| 23:02.42 | Jenson | You scared him away |
| 23:02.47 | *** join/#gllug Tarragon (~john@public1-stoc3-3-cust104.oldh.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 23:02.52 | Jenson | re |
| 23:02.55 | Tarragon | Sorry too many windows open |
| 23:02.57 | omphe | I have that effect on lot's of people. :( |
| 23:02.58 | Jenson | :) |
| 23:03.11 | Jenson | omphe: You didn't scare me...if you remember me that is |
| 23:03.44 | dpash | Jenson does all the scaring |
| 23:04.00 | Jenson | I do not |
| 23:04.16 | *** join/#gllug dpash_ (~david@212.56.237.89) |
| 23:04.32 | dpash | w00t |
| 23:04.39 | stephen | clones! |
| 23:04.45 | dpash | looks like we are back in business |
| 23:04.52 | Jenson | :) |
| 23:05.08 | skugg | ah well. I'm logging off now. time to put down some work again. |
| 23:05.10 | skugg | bye. |
| 23:05.12 | omphe | Jenson: I never forget a face. |
| 23:05.14 | cupis | dpash_: sat is back? |
| 23:05.14 | Jenson | seeya skugg |
| 23:05.30 | Jenson | :) omphe and I havent forgotten your name |
| 23:05.34 | formi | I only forget where I put them |
| 23:05.41 | omphe | I did nerd over a broken box for the bulk of the last meeting however. |
| 23:06.03 | dpash_ | cupis: looks like it |
| 23:06.14 | dpash | bye |
| 23:06.25 | Jenson | omphe: In the corner...I remember |
| 23:06.37 | dpash | normal service is resumed |
| 23:06.49 | dpash | we apologise for any inconvience caused |
| 23:07.04 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:07.24 | Jenson | dpash: irssi...so much nicer than mirc |
| 23:09.48 | Jenson | damn 13.6s lag then |
| 23:10.27 | gj_ | re |
| 23:10.31 | Jenson | re |
| 23:10.51 | gj_ | how' goin |
| 23:11.00 | Jenson | alright |
| 23:11.01 | Jenson | u? |
| 23:11.18 | gj_ | not so bad |
| 23:11.35 | gj_ | new linux instals next week |
| 23:11.53 | gj_ | 2 corp. |
| 23:11.59 | gj_ | vpns, mail and things |
| 23:12.01 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:12.08 | Jenson | I fianlly got my sound working |
| 23:12.12 | Jenson | Well Leeds did |
| 23:12.32 | stephen | :) |
| 23:12.46 | highbury | http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.brisset/kernel3d/kernel3d.html |
| 23:13.02 | formi | highbury: saw it yesterday |
| 23:13.11 | formi | nice |
| 23:13.29 | *** join/#gllug dpash_in_exile (dpash@modem-2503.giraffe.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 23:13.43 | dpash_in_exile | hmm spoke too soon |
| 23:13.50 | highbury | I want to make 245.mpg my screen saver! |
| 23:14.04 | gj_ | write mpegscreensaver |
| 23:14.13 | gj_ | i guess there is something like that allready ;) |
| 23:14.18 | dpash_home | sat has gone again |
| 23:14.44 | dpash_home | gj_: i knwo there is videowhacker as part of xscreensaver, but I think that is just for images |
| 23:15.03 | gj_ | das ist nicht gut |
| 23:15.21 | gj_ | so it is time to write it |
| 23:15.27 | gj_ | dear hackers |
| 23:15.46 | highbury | hey, would be cool to watch at the Planetarium!!! |
| 23:16.08 | dpash_home | formi: jamacians? |
| 23:16.15 | highbury | jerk |
| 23:16.34 | highbury | chicken... that is |
| 23:16.34 | Tarragon | formi and zimm added |
| 23:16.47 | dpash_home | highbury: who is a jerk? |
| 23:17.16 | highbury | jamaican cooking, contains seasoning called "jerk" |
| 23:18.33 | omphe_dishes | jerk is mostly scotch bonnet peppers and scallions(green onions) I belive what formi was referring to is also known as maui wowie and humbolt fog. |
| 23:19.23 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:19.33 | stephen | Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody for me atm :) |
| 23:19.48 | dpash_home | I think Jimmy Eat World |
| 23:19.48 | gj_ | lol |
| 23:21.31 | dpash_home | yep JEW |
| 23:22.08 | Jenson | grrrr....bloody zimm is insiting on calling me at 3am to wake me up for the formula 1...my mother will kill me if I speak to him at 3am lol |
| 23:22.46 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-11-97.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:22.47 | dpash_home | anyone recommend a win32 irc client |
| 23:22.57 | Jenson | dpash_home: XChat |
| 23:23.02 | dpash_home | Jenson: do you have a mobile? |
| 23:23.07 | stephen | xchat for win, it's a tad slow to refresh though |
| 23:23.10 | dpash_home | Jenson: that is not a decent client |
| 23:23.27 | Jenson | Yeah it is |
| 23:23.29 | gj_ | chnesse food rooles |
| 23:23.41 | dpash_home | gj_: so does spelling |
| 23:23.41 | gj_ | xchat sux |
| 23:23.51 | stephen | dpash_home: ssh + irssi? :) |
| 23:23.54 | gj_ | dpash_home: excuse me |
| 23:24.03 | gj_ | inssi is best |
| 23:24.07 | dpash_home | stephen: if I could ssh to my irssi session I would |
| 23:24.44 | dpash_home | gj_: sorry I would normally let spelling slip, but that was possibly the worse attempt at spelling I have ever seen ;) |
| 23:24.49 | cupis | dpash_home: sourceforge.net/projects/erc |
| 23:25.09 | gj_ | dpash_home: forgive me, i am polish not english |
| 23:25.32 | dpash_home | gj_: oh I'm not trying to be a git |
| 23:25.38 | gj_ | dpash_home: so tell me what was so bad in it |
| 23:25.53 | Jenson | lol dpash_home put ya foot in it that time |
| 23:25.53 | dpash_home | gj_: chinese food rules |
| 23:25.53 | gj_ | dpash_home: it means something , if i spell it that way ? |
| 23:25.55 | stephen | dpash_home: well, you _obviously_ have an internet connection... |
| 23:26.02 | dpash_home | Jenson: yeah |
| 23:26.32 | cupis | stephen: but the server he would ssh into is not available |
| 23:26.56 | stephen | k |
| 23:27.00 | dpash_home | stephen: that is the problem and why I need a win32 client |
| 23:27.08 | dpash_home | I don;t use win32 unless I have to |
| 23:27.13 | Jenson | dpash_home: I would let you ssh me if I wasn't one dialup and going offline in a minute |
| 23:27.15 | cupis | dpash_home: sourceforge.net/projects/erc :) |
| 23:27.30 | dpash_home | cupis: give me a chance |
| 23:27.39 | dpash_home | I can only have so many ie windows open |
| 23:27.57 | stephen | dpash_home: do you want a shell account until your server comes back online? |
| 23:27.57 | cupis | dpash_home: I've not tried it - google found it |
| 23:28.05 | dpash_home | cupis: die die die die die |
| 23:28.20 | cupis | rotfl |
| 23:28.36 | dpash_home | stephen: nah, should be back soon |
| 23:28.41 | stephen | ok |
| 23:28.50 | cupis | "I will kill you and you will die." |
| 23:29.14 | dpash_home | cupis: I run linux not emacs |
| 23:29.35 | cupis | dpash_home: no, you run Win32 atm |
| 23:29.51 | dpash_home | eight hundred meg and constantly swapping |
| 23:30.32 | dpash_home | cupis: no my parents run win32 |
| 23:30.34 | cupis | dpash_home: put some more mem in it |
| 23:30.47 | dpash_home | eight gig meg and constantly swapping |
| 23:30.51 | cupis | dpash_home: set it up as dual boot? |
| 23:31.09 | dpash_home | cupis: if I could be bothered I'd test the winmodem under knoppix |
| 23:31.20 | dpash_home | but then I wouldn't be chatting to you now |
| 23:31.52 | cupis | dpash_home: nor would you be complaining about mirc |
| 23:31.54 | dpash_home | argh irssi needs cygwin |
| 23:32.03 | dpash_home | cupis: indeed |
| 23:32.27 | dpash_home | I managed to get my main course free today as I found a small hair in it |
| 23:32.46 | dpash_home | and they seem to have only charged for one pint of IPA |
| 23:32.55 | dpash_home | saved my parents 20GBP |
| 23:33.22 | dpash_home | as we were having coffee the waiter asked if everything was okay |
| 23:33.42 | Jenson | Ah well, time for bed |
| 23:33.45 | Jenson | See ya later guys |
| 23:33.48 | Jenson | Night all |
| 23:33.50 | dpash_home | so I said "did the watress not tell you I found a hair in my main course" "no - have hte main course free" "okay" |
| 23:33.57 | dpash_home | Night Jenson |
| 23:34.02 | dpash_home | see you tomorrow? |
| 23:34.15 | Jenson | tomorrow yeah |
| 23:34.20 | dpash_home | cool |
| 23:34.26 | Jenson | Night dpash_home |
| 23:35.37 | dpash_home | any trillian users? |
| 23:35.54 | dpash_home | can I just use irc stuff without any of the icq and AIM crap? |
| 23:36.07 | *** join/#gllug cupis_ (~paul@modem-3856.alligator.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 23:38.02 | cupis | re |
| 23:38.14 | Tarragon | wb |
| 23:40.28 | cupis | ty |
| 23:42.50 | highbury | dpash_home: yep, just connect with the irc button |
| 23:43.41 | dpash_home | highbury: looks too polished to be any good |
| 23:43.49 | highbury | :-) |
| 23:44.17 | highbury | its fine, I use it to (when in Windows mode) to keep in touch with MSN/ICQ and IRC |
| 23:44.27 | highbury | works fine, and just one tool |
| 23:44.54 | highbury | in Linux, I find it safest to use two: gaim for MSN/ICQ and xchat for IRC |
| 23:45.14 | stephen | yeah, that's what I do too |
| 23:45.50 | dpash_home | highbury: try kopete |
| 23:45.55 | highbury | I tried kopete for 30 minutes, 5 crashes later I binned it |
| 23:45.59 | cupis | highbury: metoo - ever tried irc from within gaim? |
| 23:46.13 | dpash_home | I don;t have any IM firends |
| 23:46.21 | dpash_home | and I hope to keep it that way |
| 23:46.24 | stephen | yeah, I have, it's kinda sucky, but okay for /querying people I suppose |
| 23:46.26 | highbury | cupis: not really, I decided to not push things |
| 23:47.37 | dpash_home | .irc? not only win32 but .net too |
| 23:47.43 | dpash_home | doesn't sound good |
| 23:48.05 | *** join/#gllug highbury_gaim (~steve@sc-gw4.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 23:48.45 | highbury | ooh, its me :-) |
| 23:49.16 | dpash_home | any win32 client needs to have coloured nicks |
| 23:50.13 | cupis | dpash_home: I've got it! chatzilla! |
| 23:51.26 | *** join/#gllug dpash_home_ (david@modem-2503.giraffe.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 23:51.40 | *** join/#gllug dpash (~david@212.56.237.89) |
| 23:51.45 | dpash_home_ | hmm someone has installed xchat |
| 23:51.59 | dpash_home_ | at least is doesn;t use gtk |
| 23:52.25 | omphe | highbury_gaim: how'd you get into irc with gaim? |
| 23:52.47 | dpash_home_ | urgh evil |
| 23:52.51 | dpash_home_ | ah better |
| 23:52.53 | cupis | omphe: go to plugins and load the irc plugin |
| 23:52.54 | highbury_gaim | you need libirc plugin loaded |
| 23:53.04 | cupis | dpash_home_: sat |
| 23:53.08 | highbury_gaim | then just add an account |
| 23:53.14 | dpash_home_ | cupis: xchat |
| 23:53.30 | dpash_home_ | hmm mirc or xchat |
| 23:53.32 | highbury_gaim | its quite simple irc client though |
| 23:53.52 | dpash_home_ | xchat it is then |
| 23:54.36 | xchat_home | I much prefer irssi, but I don't have cygwin installed here |
| 23:55.01 | highbury | with gaim, however, evertime somebody sends a message the window pops up, at least with xchat, I can ignore the conversation for a while |
| 23:55.08 | *** part/#gllug highbury_gaim (~steve@sc-gw4.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 23:56.49 | xchat_home | cupis: rockwell HCF 56K speakerphone PCI modem |
| 23:57.00 | xchat_home | will that work with the winmodem drivers? |
| 23:57.14 | cupis | Rockwell International HCF 56k Data/Fax/Voice/Spkp |
| 23:57.23 | cupis | does |
| 23:57.38 | cupis | xchat_home: iirc, all of the HCF ones work |
| 23:57.46 | cupis | dpash_home: ^ |
| 23:57.55 | dpash_home | cool there is hope for knoppix yet |
| 23:58.11 | dpash_home | cupis: yeah god knows how I managed to call myself xchat_home |
| 23:58.14 | dpash_home | not thinking |
| 23:58.17 | dpash_home | late at night |
| 23:58.29 | dpash_home | I think I might go read about Computer Misuse Act 1990 |
| 23:59.22 | dpash_home | or about forming identities |
| 23:59.24 | *** join/#gllug omphe_gaim (~omphe@keiko.demon.co.uk) |
