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| 00:32.47 | formi | formi has not quit ("Client Not Exiting") |
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| 01:11.58 | Clyphox | re |
| 01:12.36 | formi_ | hei |
| 01:12.48 | formi_ | but in a sec, messing with ip-up scripts |
| 01:12.49 | Clyphox | Heya |
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| 01:17.45 | formi | back for good |
| 01:18.06 | formi | I hate irc servers port-scanning my machine on connection |
| 01:18.06 | stephen | clones! |
| 01:18.20 | formi | me messing up with ppp scripts, |
| 01:18.37 | stephen | btw, buenas noches formi |
| 01:19.22 | formi | for some reason after initscripts update, my local sever was being outsted from /etc/resolv.conf when the ppp link was started |
| 01:19.28 | formi | noches? |
| 01:19.50 | formi | mananas |
| 01:20.02 | stephen | yeah, I suppose |
| 01:20.54 | formi | espanol de colegio? |
| 01:21.27 | stephen | mas o menos, si |
| 01:21.35 | formi | mal dicho |
| 01:21.51 | formi | castellano de colegio? es lo correcto |
| 01:22.06 | stephen | ah |
| 01:22.10 | formi | mais a minha linguaxe nativa non e o castelan |
| 01:28.03 | formi | another bites the dust |
| 01:28.30 | Clyphox | :-) |
| 01:29.10 | formi | it didn't hurt though :-) |
| 01:29.42 | formi | they take a lot of time to time out |
| 01:30.14 | formi | on sep 11 2001, I wrote a song |
| 01:30.28 | formi | it was a dialog between bush and laden |
| 01:30.44 | formi | all done with titles of queen songs |
| 01:31.00 | formi | lunacy is person somebody is |
| 01:31.30 | formi | well with sentences from queen's songs |
| 01:31.59 | formi | s/is/in |
| 01:33.29 | formi | pdr |
| 01:33.48 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 01:35.18 | Clyphox | gtg.. just moved OS over to new hdd.. |
| 01:39.47 | formi | stephen: ? |
| 01:40.07 | stephen | what? |
| 01:40.23 | formi | can you help me with something? |
| 01:40.44 | formi | # This leafnode+ has limited ability to use ssh. In order to use it, |
| 01:40.44 | formi | # SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable is needed to allow ssh executed |
| 01:40.44 | formi | # from fetchnews to connect NNTP servers automatically. |
| 01:40.44 | formi | # |
| 01:40.44 | formi | #server = news2.foo.or.jp |
| 01:40.45 | formi | #username = userfoo |
| 01:40.47 | formi | #password = passwdfoo |
| 01:40.49 | formi | #viahost = localhost |
| 01:40.51 | formi | #port = 1234 |
| 01:40.53 | formi | #preconnect = su foo -c "ssh -f -C -L 1234:nntp.your.provider:119 -l bar ssh-server.your.provider sleep 20 > /dev/null" |
| 01:40.56 | formi | . |
| 01:41.29 | formi | how do you do a "su foo" without providing a passwd ? |
| 01:42.10 | stephen | don't think you can, unless you're root |
| 01:42.29 | formi | I see |
| 01:42.57 | stephen | and I think sudo allows superuser access, you can't get it to use a different UID |
| 01:43.03 | stephen | +only |
| 01:43.11 | formi | and i suppose you have to run some ssh-pass daeom thing to catter for the passed of ssh |
| 01:43.46 | stephen | client side? |
| 01:43.59 | formi | yeap |
| 01:44.10 | formi | look at the preconnect command |
| 01:44.31 | formi | im trying to work what is needed so that it runs without user input |
| 01:44.42 | stephen | ever used expect? |
| 01:44.56 | formi | via ssh? |
| 01:45.08 | stephen | no, on the client side |
| 01:45.26 | formi | nope, but i know what is supposed to do |
| 01:46.00 | stephen | I've only used it to automate /bin/passwd, but it could handle your ssh password too |
| 01:46.10 | formi | im thinking to adapt the preconnect command to automatically put up my ssh tunnel to a squid server |
| 01:46.39 | formi | and obviously to my news server |
| 01:47.13 | stephen | yer, you're trying to encrypt your NNTP traffic? |
| 01:47.34 | formi | I thought you couldn't do ssh port forwarding without being root |
| 01:47.59 | formi | -su-2.05b# ssh -C -c blowfish -L 300:ns:119 -L 80:ns:312 ns |
| 01:47.59 | formi | Enter passphrase for key '/root/.ssh/id_rsa': |
| 01:48.16 | formi | I already do it, but i fire it up by hand |
| 01:48.23 | stephen | you can be any user, I use ssh -L as user stephen to encrypt my irc traffic |
| 01:48.46 | stephen | as long as you try to bind to a port >1024 client-side |
| 01:49.11 | formi | very interesting |
| 01:50.10 | formi | but if you forward a port over 1024, isn't there the possibility of somebody connecting to that port? |
| 01:50.49 | stephen | yes, it's just a tunnel, anyone can use it, so there needs to be some kind of login server-side |
| 01:53.09 | formi | i suppose you run an irc proxy on the server side of you irc ssh tunnel |
| 01:53.33 | stephen | yeah |
| 01:53.46 | formi | that is no good for me |
| 01:54.16 | formi | have you ever met kim hawtin? |
| 01:54.25 | stephen | no |
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| 01:55.07 | formi | some aussie who at some point had all the data comming out of his laptop encrypted |
| 01:55.20 | stephen | couldn't you just disable all the ssh just in leafnode, and just get it to connect to a port >1024 on localhost, which forwards to port 119 on the server |
| 01:55.25 | resudaed_ssh | how do I 'kill' a user (by non-lethal methods) |
| 01:55.32 | resudaed_ssh | ie logout |
| 01:55.38 | stephen | kill their shell |
| 01:55.44 | stephen | but that's no fun |
| 01:56.06 | formi | kill the tcp connection |
| 01:56.11 | resudaed_ssh | lol, and I wouldn't know how to know which shell to kill (logged in multiple time) |
| 01:56.29 | resudaed_ssh | formi : logged in locally |
| 01:56.33 | formi | su user kill |
| 01:56.39 | stephen | you don't want to kill them all? |
| 01:56.55 | formi | if you are user, you can't kill your root shell |
| 01:57.18 | formi | disable his account for 5 min |
| 01:57.23 | resudaed_ssh | logged in multiple times (locally and ssh) |
| 01:57.47 | resudaed_ssh | I want to log them out, but not all of them |
| 01:58.06 | stephen | use who -l to show you which ones are local |
| 01:58.23 | resudaed_ssh | stephen : but then how can I kill them individually |
| 01:58.29 | formi | you could for ie, change to csh and kill all bashes |
| 01:58.36 | stephen | kill pid_of_bash |
| 01:58.56 | resudaed_ssh | stephen : and how do I know which PIDs are which? |
| 02:00.10 | stephen | using the tty/pts that they're running on |
| 02:01.20 | stephen | stephen pts/25 Mar 14 21:52 (hn-30-37.brookes.ac.uk) |
| 02:01.20 | stephen | stephen pts/60 Mar 14 21:52 (hn-30-37.brookes.ac.uk) |
| 02:01.20 | stephen | stephen@web0:~$ ps ax | grep bash |
| 02:01.20 | stephen | 21302 pts/26 S 0:00 /bin/bash |
| 02:01.20 | stephen | 21310 pts/35 S 0:00 /bin/bash |
| 02:01.20 | stephen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.22 | stephen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.24 | stephen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.27 | formi | ps auxw | grep user |
| 02:01.51 | stephen | ah, an easier way |
| 02:02.27 | formi | if you use a different shell than the rest, you could try killall user-shells |
| 02:02.58 | formi | fast and easy going |
| 02:03.07 | stephen | anyway, I better get some sleep, happy hacking all |
| 02:03.35 | formi | stephen: i'll get back to you about port fwding, good night |
| 02:03.56 | formi | resudaed_ssh: have you made up you mind? |
| 02:06.02 | resudaed_ssh | formi : what is the command to return a colum/field of a certain length/location from a line of text? |
| 02:06.21 | resudaed_ssh | ie take a text range |
| 02:06.39 | formi | gosh |
| 02:06.53 | formi | you need one of the perl, awk gurus for that |
| 02:07.29 | resudaed_ssh | man gosh :-) |
| 02:07.36 | resudaed_ssh | nope |
| 02:10.20 | formi | go to bed! |
| 02:14.16 | formi | if i had good memory i could write you a cobol or pascal program to do that |
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| 10:38.34 | formi | here I am again, absorving the morning fix. |
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| 10:57.24 | formi | hi Leeds |
| 11:08.47 | formi | ibot lart xchat 2.0.1 |
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| 11:30.22 | Leeds | hey |
| 11:31.06 | formi | on my quest for a funny site I found a real funny ones, double pun inc |
| 11:31.25 | formi | http://www.dailyrotten.com/ |
| 11:32.05 | Leeds | yuo know the onion, I assume... |
| 11:32.13 | formi | Norwegian death metal band MAYHEM were involved in one of the most bizarre rock accidents last night (March 9) when a flying sheep's head fractured a fan's skull. |
| 11:32.17 | Leeds | for that matter... |
| 11:32.29 | formi | you have mentioned that one before |
| 11:32.38 | Leeds | check gagpipe.com |
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| 11:33.11 | formi | gold fish memory span here |
| 11:33.21 | formi | speaking of the devils |
| 11:33.43 | Skuggan | what, I'm not unique? |
| 11:33.53 | formi | Norwegian death metal band MAYHEM were involved in one of the most bizarre rock accidents last night (March 9) when a flying sheep's head fractured a fan's skull. |
| 11:34.20 | Skuggan | formi, yeah, I heard about that... |
| 11:35.06 | formi | you can't bit the spaniard and the chicken one |
| 11:35.16 | formi | s/bit/beat |
| 11:35.38 | Skuggan | i'm not trying to ;) |
| 11:35.50 | formi | do you know that one? |
| 11:36.10 | Skuggan | where did you read about this mayhem? i've only heard about it, not actually read it myself |
| 11:36.19 | eye69 | Haha... |
| 11:36.20 | Skuggan | and no, I've not heard about the spaniard and the chicken |
| 11:36.30 | formi | dailyrotten.com |
| 11:36.32 | Skuggan | eye69, heh |
| 11:36.44 | formi | has links to the nw sites and nmi |
| 11:36.53 | Skuggan | eye69, is that the jailed death-metal guy? |
| 11:36.57 | formi | s/nw/no |
| 11:37.15 | Skuggan | eye69, it's really rotten synth-music I've heard... not actually heard it myself though |
| 11:37.16 | eye69 | Skuggan: Count Grisnakh |
| 11:37.35 | eye69 | He killed Euronymous in Mayhem |
| 11:38.17 | Skuggan | i see. |
| 11:39.11 | formi | but stabbing someone to be considered "more evil" is nothing compared to the dead sheep head attack |
| 11:39.49 | formi | http://www.nme.com/news/104435.htm, i getting the story from here |
| 11:43.14 | formi | The $27 Million Rat |
| 11:43.14 | formi | New York Daily News | Submitted by: Mr. Ramon |
| 11:43.14 | formi | "A captured Egyptian radical ratted out terror kingpin Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, but only after squeezing $27 million in reward money from American investigators, it was reported yesterday." Did the Feds forget that we're trying to PREVENT Al Qaeda from getting that kind of money? |
| 11:43.31 | formi | no comment |
| 12:08.20 | formi | testing "how to quit an irc channel", interesting idea! |
| 12:08.40 | Leeds | it seems to have worked though |
| 12:09.57 | formi | he needs to keep trying to build a strong case |
| 12:10.55 | Leeds | true |
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| 12:12.20 | formi | i'm searching for a photo of my beautiful self for a cv, can't device though |
| 12:12.53 | formi | found it |
| 12:13.11 | formi | 8-<)- |
| 12:13.20 | Leeds | can't device? |
| 12:13.35 | formi | ? |
| 12:13.59 | formi | can't mount the cereal on the bowl ? |
| 12:14.29 | Leeds | you said "cam |
| 12:14.31 | Leeds | ugh |
| 12:14.35 | formi | paul nasrat double on telly |
| 12:14.36 | Leeds | "can't device though |
| 12:14.43 | formi | itv1 |
| 12:17.34 | formi | I said "cam ? where? |
| 12:17.48 | Leeds | you didn |
| 12:17.52 | Leeds | fuck! |
| 12:17.56 | formi | yes I did |
| 12:18.01 | Leeds | I keep hitting return instead of ' |
| 12:18.05 | formi | yesterday though |
| 12:18.15 | Leeds | you said "i'm searching for a photo of my beautiful self for a cv, can't device thoug" |
| 12:18.23 | formi | web cam, remenber ? |
| 12:18.27 | Leeds | what did you mean by "can't device though" |
| 12:18.41 | formi | i get you |
| 12:18.52 | formi | misspelling |
| 12:19.14 | Leeds | from what? |
| 12:19.18 | formi | s/device/decide s/thoug/though |
| 12:19.36 | formi | I can't decide though |
| 12:19.38 | Leeds | ah |
| 12:19.51 | Leeds | you actually said though - I mis-cut'n'pasted |
| 12:20.09 | formi | It took a long time to solve that one |
| 12:20.26 | formi | 8-<)- |
| 12:20.43 | formi | the moustache, doesn't look real |
| 12:21.17 | Leeds | 8-(|- |
| 12:21.22 | formi | i might add a bit of here, while I have it |
| 12:21.28 | highbury | we always thought it was painted on. a la Groucho Marx :=) |
| 12:21.29 | Leeds | not as happy, but a better mustache |
| 12:21.50 | Leeds | oh, hair :-) |
| 12:22.00 | formi | not a good impression to give to a recruitment drone |
| 12:22.19 | Leeds | you trying to find a real job? |
| 12:22.56 | formi | well I should, you can't irc-chat from behind bars all day |
| 12:23.21 | Leeds | behind bars? |
| 12:23.53 | Leeds | you drinking and chatting? |
| 12:24.15 | formi | no job -> bills -> credit card > defaulting > BIG ANGRY BANK -> bars |
| 12:25.11 | Leeds | yes... |
| 12:25.39 | formi | might be the aftermath of the BIG smoke last night while on xp |
| 12:25.50 | formi | xpiss better said |
| 12:27.50 | formi | (8-{)- |
| 12:29.16 | Leeds | better |
| 12:29.18 | formi | highbury: it is funny, by dad hasn't fully shaved his moustache since he found out I he was to be a dad |
| 12:30.33 | formi | i'll refrase that, my mother told him "im pregnant, formi is on his way, you've been warned" |
| 12:33.00 | formi | and he stopped shaving his moustache, weird!! |
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| 12:49.43 | pdr | mornin |
| 12:50.08 | BorgBaby | morning all |
| 12:54.38 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 12:58.11 | formi | brb, after all I am only going to speak with a female |
| 13:05.13 | dpash | hi |
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| 13:22.25 | dankolb | Afternoon... |
| 13:25.55 | dpash | hi |
| 13:26.10 | dpash | my autoaway is definitely crap |
| 13:26.23 | dankolb | :) |
| 13:33.45 | dpash | ? |
| 13:33.50 | dpash | police? |
| 13:33.59 | dpash | armies? |
| 13:34.05 | dpash | civil war? |
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| 13:34.49 | formi | you can stop missing me now guys |
| 13:36.22 | dankolb | Missing formi? Why? Was he down the back of the sofa? |
| 13:36.56 | formi | being serious for half a second, any ideas about what happened to zachary? |
| 13:37.47 | formi | dankolb: i usually visit the insect life in there for a intellectual chat |
| 13:38.15 | formi | ibot: seen zachary? |
| 13:38.15 | | zachary <~zachary@host217-34-79-45.in-addr.btopenworld.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 14d 4h 27m 15s ago, saying: 'good morning'. |
| 13:39.46 | dankolb | Hmm. I don't know. |
| 13:40.37 | dankolb | Phone him up, and see what's up? |
| 13:40.49 | dankolb | He could just be too busy with IRC, with his daughter. |
| 13:41.20 | formi | he used to have his machine/xchat on anyway regardless of the kid |
| 13:41.43 | formi | good idea I might phone him |
| 13:42.22 | formi | well hope im lucky, I have made about 6 calls today and nobody was in |
| 13:43.59 | formi | i should stop using by personal phone number clocking device |
| 13:44.55 | dankolb | :) |
| 13:45.27 | formi | speaking about that, I need to clock my laptop hostname |
| 13:46.03 | formi | google keeps adding tp.localdomain.org to my news posts |
| 13:47.46 | formi | ibot: seen murble? |
| 13:47.46 | | murble is currently on #gllug (2h 55m 59s) |
| 13:47.58 | formi | ibot: who is murble? |
| 13:47.59 | | formi: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:48.14 | formi | ibot: murble? |
| 13:48.15 | | formi: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 13:48.26 | formi | ibot: possibly |
| 13:48.26 | | wish i knew, formi |
| 13:48.36 | formi | ibot: ask him |
| 13:48.37 | | formi: no idea |
| 13:49.44 | formi | ibot: are you intelligent? |
| 13:49.44 | | formi: are you using Windows? |
| 13:49.59 | formi | stupid question i know, sorry |
| 13:51.12 | eye69 | ~status |
| 13:51.13 | | Since Sat Mar 1 06:04:54 2003, there have been 146 modifications, 604 questions, 288 dunnos, 6 morons and 513 commands. I have been awake for 14d 7h 46m 18s this session, and currently reference 84698 factoids. I'm using about 16836 kB of memory. |
| 13:52.10 | formi | ibot: ibot is has no idea what is intelligence! |
| 13:52.11 | | cannot alter locked factoids, formi |
| 13:52.11 | | formi: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:52.28 | formi | ibot: ibot has no idea what is intelligence! |
| 13:52.29 | | formi: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:53.51 | formi | ibot: intelligence is something I don't have |
| 13:53.52 | | ...but intelligence is already something else... |
| 13:54.10 | formi | ibot: intelligence also is something I don't have |
| 13:54.11 | | I think you lost me on that one, formi |
| 13:54.24 | formi | ibot: intelligence |
| 13:54.24 | | well, intelligence is something that IBot has plenty of. Feeling though, now that's different........ |
| 13:54.50 | formi | ibot: THAT IS BIG BOLLOCKS |
| 13:54.51 | | I think you lost me on that one, formi |
| 13:55.10 | formi | i know |
| 13:55.55 | formi | who had the bright idea of inviting ibot to this channel? |
| 13:56.10 | dankolb | Dunno |
| 13:56.13 | dankolb | ibot formi |
| 13:56.13 | | hmm... formi is its-formi other personality |
| 13:57.00 | formi | ibot: who am i? |
| 13:57.00 | | well, formi is its-formi other personality |
| 13:57.26 | its-formi | ibot: who am i? |
| 13:57.27 | | you are, like, a strange galician bloke living in London, the only true @n@rQuist@, O carallo 29. uses fluxbox, or uses freebsd 4.7. |
| 13:58.07 | its-formi | ibot: its-formi is not |
| 13:58.08 | | ...but its-formi is already something else... |
| 13:58.25 | dpash | ibot dpash |
| 13:58.25 | | no idea, dpash |
| 13:58.30 | dpash | bah |
| 13:58.42 | its-formi | ibot: its-formi is not the only true @n@rQuist@ |
| 13:58.42 | | ...but its-formi is already something else... |
| 13:58.43 | dpash | ibot: dpash is loking for a geek girl |
| 13:58.44 | | dpash: okay |
| 13:58.52 | dpash | ibot: dpash is looking for a geek girl |
| 13:58.52 | | ...but dpash is already something else... |
| 13:58.58 | dpash | ibot: no dpash is looking for a geek girl |
| 13:58.58 | | okay, dpash |
| 13:59.05 | dpash | ibot dpash |
| 13:59.05 | | rumour has it, dpash is looking for a geek girl |
| 13:59.16 | its-formi | eye69: how do can i wipe out the record? |
| 13:59.28 | eye69 | forget |
| 13:59.43 | its-formi | ibot: dpash is also running away from jenson |
| 13:59.43 | | okay, its-formi |
| 13:59.55 | its-formi | :-> |
| 13:59.57 | dpash | its-formi: ? |
| 13:59.58 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:00.11 | eye69 | ~eye69 |
| 14:00.21 | eye69 | ~eye69? |
| 14:00.26 | dankolb | ibot eye69 |
| 14:00.27 | | dankolb: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:00.29 | eye69 | ~eye69 is foo |
| 14:00.30 | | okay, eye69 |
| 14:00.35 | eye69 | ~forget eye69 |
| 14:00.36 | | eye69: i forgot eye69 |
| 14:00.47 | dankolb | dpash: She might be after you.. |
| 14:00.54 | dpash | arghhhhhh |
| 14:01.11 | its-formi | ibot: dpash |
| 14:01.12 | | well, dpash is looking for a geek girl, or running away from jenson |
| 14:01.33 | dpash | s/or/but. |
| 14:02.07 | its-formi | ibot: forget dpash is running away from jenson |
| 14:02.07 | | i didn't have anything called 'dpash is running away from jenson', its-formi |
| 14:02.17 | its-formi | ibot: forget dpash or running away from jenson |
| 14:02.17 | | i didn't have anything called 'dpash or running away from jenson', its-formi |
| 14:02.17 | dpash | ibot: no dpash is looking for a geek girl |
| 14:02.17 | | dpash: okay |
| 14:02.24 | dpash | ibot: dpash |
| 14:02.25 | | well, dpash is looking for a geek girl |
| 14:02.51 | dankolb | dpash: You could also try going for jenson.... |
| 14:03.00 | dpash | dankolb: er no |
| 14:03.00 | its-formi | ibot: no its-formi is the only true @n@rQuist@ |
| 14:03.01 | | okay, its-formi |
| 14:03.05 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:03.46 | its-formi | dankolb: what has dpash done to you to deserve that? |
| 14:04.16 | its-formi | ibot: who is me? |
| 14:04.17 | | [its-formi] the only true @n@rQuist@ |
| 14:04.37 | its-formi | ibot: no its-formi |
| 14:04.38 | | its-formi: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:04.58 | its-formi | ibot: who is me? |
| 14:04.59 | | methinks its-formi is the only true @n@rQuist@ |
| 14:06.16 | its-formi | ibot: its-formi is a very normal galician individual, with no sense of irony. |
| 14:06.16 | | ...but its-formi is already something else... |
| 14:06.48 | dpash | its-formi: anti-slack probably |
| 14:06.49 | its-formi | ibot: no its-formi is a very normal galician individual, with no sense of irony. |
| 14:06.50 | | okay, its-formi |
| 14:07.07 | dpash | ibot: dpash is also a debian user |
| 14:07.07 | | okay, dpash |
| 14:07.11 | dankolb | BAH |
| 14:07.27 | dpash | ibot dpash |
| 14:07.28 | | you are, like, looking for a geek girl, or a debian user |
| 14:07.35 | its-formi | bah, being arse hole ?? |
| 14:08.00 | dpash | its-formi: nope, it is a sound |
| 14:08.07 | its-formi | dpash: you could add, depending on the fase of the moon |
| 14:08.20 | its-formi | dpash: it was a joke |
| 14:08.47 | its-formi | dpash: unless I say im being serious, Im jonking |
| 14:08.57 | its-formi | s/jonking/joking |
| 14:09.46 | dpash | its-formi: okay |
| 14:09.49 | its-formi | ibot: its-formi Also uses FBSD and MDK, |
| 14:09.50 | | its-formi: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:10.02 | its-formi | ibot: its-formi also uses FBSD and MDK, |
| 14:10.03 | | its-formi: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:10.28 | its-formi | ibot: its-formi is also uses FBSD and MDK, |
| 14:10.29 | | okay, its-formi |
| 14:10.39 | dpash | ibot: its-formi |
| 14:10.40 | | hmm... its-formi is a very normal galician individual, with no sense of irony. uses FBSD and MDK, |
| 14:11.29 | its-formi | hey guys, are you experiencing big lag ? |
| 14:12.08 | dpash | 2.97 |
| 14:12.14 | dpash | which is nothing for me |
| 14:12.17 | dankolb | Nope |
| 14:14.30 | its-formi | ibot: no its-formi is a very normal GZ individual, with no sense of IRNY. Also uses TP, FBSD, MDK, RR, OBSD, SOL. And drinks MATE. |
| 14:14.30 | | okay, its-formi |
| 14:16.25 | formi | ibot: no formi is a very strange its-formi. |
| 14:16.26 | | formi: okay |
| 14:16.39 | formi | ibot: who am i? |
| 14:16.39 | | i guess formi is a very strange its-formi. |
| 14:17.02 | formi | ibot: who is its-formi? |
| 14:17.02 | | extra, extra, read all about it, its-formi is a very normal GZ individual, with no sense of IRNY. Also uses TP, FBSD, MDK, RR, OBSD, SOL. And drinks MATE. |
| 14:17.23 | formi | BRILLIANT!! |
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| 14:17.53 | dankolb | hi marko85_uk |
| 14:17.56 | marko85_uk | Hi Everyone |
| 14:18.02 | marko85_uk | alright dankolb |
| 14:18.20 | marko85_uk | i need help again but this time i think some of u can help me |
| 14:18.31 | marko85_uk | dankolb can u do something for me |
| 14:18.39 | dankolb | Maybe... |
| 14:21.51 | marko85_uk | can u download Intel Ham Voice driver |
| 14:21.53 | dankolb | hey Clyphox |
| 14:22.01 | marko85_uk | and read the readme.txt file |
| 14:22.10 | marko85_uk | and tell me what exactly do i need to do |
| 14:23.30 | dankolb | What's the URL to the driver? |
| 14:23.55 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.23 | Clyphox | I've got a obsd floppy32.i here and I know I could just install that... grrr |
| 14:24.33 | dankolb | YEah... |
| 14:24.34 | dankolb | OpenBSD... |
| 14:24.39 | its-formi | marko85_uk: have you ever considered doing things by yourself? |
| 14:24.55 | marko85_uk | of course i have |
| 14:25.07 | marko85_uk | but i can not undersand the instructions in the readme.txt file |
| 14:25.23 | marko85_uk | i read all the how to win modem |
| 14:25.32 | marko85_uk | but it didnt help me much |
| 14:25.38 | dankolb | What, Clyphox? |
| 14:25.48 | Clyphox | I'm beggin the guys in #netbsd |
| 14:25.55 | dankolb | marko85_uk: DCC the readme.txt file to me |
| 14:25.55 | Clyphox | the seem very dead |
| 14:26.01 | marko85_uk | dankolb http://www.intel.com/design/modems/support/drivers/linux/Intel-v92ham.htm |
| 14:26.07 | its-formi | Clyphox: did you try ust fat ? |
| 14:26.19 | its-formi | s/ust/just |
| 14:26.33 | Clyphox | grr.. customer.. bbiam |
| 14:26.33 | marko85_uk | its zipped and its on the floppy so it would help if u could just download it and look at it |
| 14:26.36 | dankolb | Heh |
| 14:26.39 | marko85_uk | it should only take a few seconds |
| 14:26.43 | dankolb | Customer....on Saturday... |
| 14:26.44 | dankolb | Argh |
| 14:28.30 | dankolb | Err. |
| 14:28.32 | dankolb | Log in as root |
| 14:28.38 | dankolb | Extract the archive |
| 14:28.43 | marko85_uk | well |
| 14:28.45 | dankolb | I take it you've done that? |
| 14:28.45 | marko85_uk | how do i do that |
| 14:28.45 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 14:28.53 | marko85_uk | well i was stuck on part 2 |
| 14:29.11 | dankolb | Umm....it tells you exactly how to untar the file |
| 14:29.28 | dankolb | You just need to replace <archivename> with the name of the downloaded file |
| 14:29.56 | marko85_uk | i type tar -zxvf Intel-v92ham.tgz |
| 14:30.00 | marko85_uk | but it doesnt seem to do it |
| 14:30.08 | marko85_uk | do i need to type the location of the file |
| 14:30.08 | dankolb | Why not? |
| 14:30.12 | dankolb | What does it do/say? |
| 14:30.37 | its-formi | marko85_uk: unless you are in the same folder as that file, yes |
| 14:30.54 | its-formi | works like in DOS |
| 14:30.55 | Clyphox | My boss just did a guest apearance sorry.. |
| 14:31.01 | marko85_uk | well i wasnt what would the correct location for the floppy be |
| 14:31.01 | dankolb | Heh. :) |
| 14:31.13 | dankolb | /mnt/floppy/Intel-v92ham.tgz |
| 14:31.48 | its-formi | marko85_uk: you also need to add a path to the destination you want for the files |
| 14:31.51 | marko85_uk | thanks dankolb |
| 14:32.04 | marko85_uk | what do u mean formi? |
| 14:32.05 | dankolb | its-formi: It'll extract it into the current directory, otherwise |
| 14:32.25 | marko85_uk | next step says cd into the directory |
| 14:32.29 | dankolb | Yes |
| 14:32.31 | marko85_uk | how do i know where i unzipped the file |
| 14:32.36 | marko85_uk | is |
| 14:32.45 | its-formi | dankolb: not funny to extract on the floppy |
| 14:32.58 | dankolb | The -v option to tar will have told it to display the list of files as it's extracting |
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| 14:33.37 | marko85_uk | ok and how do i cd into to the directory |
| 14:33.51 | dankolb | cd Intel-v92ham-421 |
| 14:34.02 | its-formi | strangely enough cd directory |
| 14:34.30 | marko85_uk | its formi i never unzipped the file before so be considerate |
| 14:34.40 | its-formi | marko85_uk: GO TO sourceforge.net AND DOWNLOAD rute!!! |
| 14:34.41 | marko85_uk | u helped me a lot and have a nice oppinion of u so dont dissapoint me |
| 14:35.35 | its-formi | marko85_uk: but come on, not knowing how to cd to a directory falls as low as not knowing how to wipe your backside |
| 14:35.52 | marko85_uk | well lets just say i never had a chance to experiance linux |
| 14:35.54 | marko85_uk | or use it |
| 14:36.22 | dankolb | 'cd' is the same as DOS |
| 14:36.24 | its-formi | didn't ever cross your mind to use CD as in dos? |
| 14:36.35 | marko85_uk | well i know how to use a dos a bit |
| 14:37.02 | marko85_uk | dankolb once i cd into the directory i need to type |
| 14:37.05 | marko85_uk | make clean |
| 14:37.07 | marko85_uk | make ham |
| 14:37.09 | dankolb | Yes. |
| 14:37.10 | marko85_uk | and make install |
| 14:37.14 | dankolb | Yup |
| 14:37.15 | its-formi | DOS was the idea of what unix should never be |
| 14:37.43 | marko85_uk | well you would expect DOS to be simialar to unix mainly because Bill Gates was |
| 14:37.53 | marko85_uk | Unix programmer |
| 14:37.58 | its-formi | a prick? |
| 14:38.02 | dankolb | But he didn't write DOS |
| 14:38.04 | marko85_uk | ill go and try to do that |
| 14:38.05 | Clyphox | DOS was bought by MS not made by MS.. |
| 14:38.28 | marko85_uk | well origianly DOS was addopted my MS |
| 14:38.29 | Clyphox | it was a OS called QDOS.. Quick and Dirty OS (lol) |
| 14:38.37 | dankolb | Which was a clone of CPM/86 |
| 14:38.43 | Clyphox | [nod] |
| 14:38.43 | marko85_uk | hehe ill go now |
| 14:38.44 | its-formi | Clyphox: how much did m$ change the os they bought? |
| 14:38.48 | marko85_uk | speak in a bit |
| 14:39.00 | dankolb | They didn't change too much originally |
| 14:39.12 | dankolb | But developed it a lot |
| 14:39.16 | dankolb | As time went on |
| 14:39.20 | Clyphox | its-formi, they changed the name and very little else then flogged it to IBM for a 10year contract and.. bad-a-bing.. they were bigger then IBM :-) |
| 14:40.35 | its-formi | i wonder how many things like "no-case-sensitiveness" were done by m$hit |
| 14:40.57 | Clyphox | That was cp-m afaik |
| 14:40.59 | dankolb | strtoupper() |
| 14:41.04 | Clyphox | cp-m was cool :-) |
| 14:41.16 | dankolb | Erm. About 4 |
| 14:41.38 | Clyphox | but I have the daisy-chain printer :P |
| 14:41.43 | dankolb | It's okay. You still have one year to catch up |
| 14:41.44 | its-formi | it looks to me like a way to avoid having to add more code |
| 14:41.46 | dankolb | Daisy-chain printer? |
| 14:41.50 | Clyphox | with spare ribbins/wheels :-) |
| 14:41.50 | dankolb | Daisy-wheel? |
| 14:41.59 | Clyphox | er.. sry.. got sex on the mind |
| 14:42.03 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:42.29 | its-formi | any geek girl we might know? |
| 14:42.46 | its-formi | please don't reply |
| 14:43.05 | Clyphox | ...in training to become a geek-grl |
| 14:43.27 | Clyphox | she's got her "I love my Geek" t-shirt from thinkgeek.com though.. 90% there.. |
| 14:43.39 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:43.47 | dankolb | its-formi: In answer, no geek girl that we know |
| 14:44.03 | Clyphox | But she will be at my party.. |
| 14:44.06 | dpash | and not one that is available |
| 14:44.12 | Clyphox | you comming its-formi ? |
| 14:44.20 | Clyphox | dpash, sry.. |
| 14:44.34 | dpash | ibot: no dpash is looking for a single geek girl |
| 14:44.35 | | dpash: okay |
| 14:44.36 | Clyphox | dpash, you comming to my party? |
| 14:44.46 | dpash | er when what where |
| 14:44.53 | Clyphox | lol |
| 14:45.05 | dpash | I think I missed something |
| 14:45.22 | Clyphox | only about 6 seconds I think.. |
| 14:45.35 | its-formi | is it phenomena or phenomenum ? |
| 14:45.49 | dpash | bah latin |
| 14:45.55 | its-formi | Clyphox: going where? |
| 14:45.57 | Clyphox | Might be a time-continum breach! Yellow alert! |
| 14:45.58 | dankolb | Depends if it's plural or not |
| 14:46.14 | Clyphox | its-formi, my birthday party.. next week.. |
| 14:46.22 | its-formi | oh no |
| 14:46.29 | its-formi | even worse |
| 14:46.47 | dankolb | Clyphox: You're old :) |
| 14:46.54 | Clyphox | I am gonna be all sad without any geeks to cheer me up and speak in toungs I understand.. |
| 14:47.06 | dankolb | Clyphox: I should be able to be there |
| 14:47.07 | Clyphox | :P |
| 14:47.10 | dankolb | (if you want) |
| 14:47.36 | dpash | dankolb: hey I'm 24 next month |
| 14:47.38 | Clyphox | its-formi, I guesse the glass if half full 4 u eh? |
| 14:47.52 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:47.56 | dankolb | Even older |
| 14:48.15 | Clyphox | grrr |
| 14:48.17 | its-formi | waiting for the pension |
| 14:48.28 | Clyphox | ppl in #netbsd are /ign me.. |
| 14:48.31 | dpash | add your own speeling correction |
| 14:48.47 | dpash | Clyphox: have you been feeding the animals again? |
| 14:48.54 | its-formi | tarragon doesn't fell, that is good news, he's old but not that old |
| 14:49.09 | dpash | older than me |
| 14:49.23 | dpash | not even cupis is older than me |
| 14:49.27 | dpash | Huhn is |
| 14:49.32 | Clyphox | I've been begging for help.. |
| 14:49.39 | dpash | SpyPigeon is |
| 14:49.54 | dpash | agk and murble are afaik |
| 14:49.59 | its-formi | agk also |
| 14:50.02 | dpash | ping cupis |
| 14:50.10 | cupis | dpash: pong |
| 14:50.16 | its-formi | murble is not |
| 14:50.21 | dpash | really? |
| 14:50.26 | Clyphox | bbiam |
| 14:50.30 | dpash | I thought he was mid 20s |
| 14:50.32 | its-formi | ~22 |
| 14:50.46 | its-formi | just finished uni |
| 14:51.39 | its-formi | don't quote me on that ~22, its an approx, my fpu is really f*ed |
| 14:53.00 | Clyphox | I want to go home but at home I don't know if my hardware works.. here I know it works at least.. |
| 14:53.52 | dankolb | Ah |
| 14:54.17 | dpash | dankolb: fancy a game of monopoly? |
| 14:54.33 | dankolb | If I had it installed, yeah. |
| 14:54.33 | Clyphox | fancy helping me get nbsd going? |
| 14:54.37 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 14:55.15 | dankolb | ibot lart dpash |
| 14:55.30 | dpash | ibot: I have not mojo to steal, hence the geek girl thing |
| 14:55.31 | | i haven't a clue, dpash |
| 14:55.44 | dpash | ibot: no I didn;t think so |
| 14:55.45 | | dpash: i don't know |
| 14:56.42 | Clyphox | gah.. customer.. |
| 14:56.45 | dankolb | heh |
| 14:57.32 | its-formi | i have just cracked it |
| 14:57.42 | its-formi | ibot: formi |
| 14:57.43 | | i guess formi is a VRY WRD its-formi. |
| 14:57.44 | dankolb | You'd better glue it back together then |
| 14:57.55 | its-formi | ibot: its-formi |
| 14:57.56 | | i heard its-formi is a VRY NRML GZ GUY, with NO sense of IRNY, using TP, FBSD, MDK, RR, OBSD, SOL, and drinking MATE. a VRY WRD formi. |
| 14:58.46 | its-formi | ibot: its-formi |
| 14:58.47 | | i guess its-formi is a VRY NRML GZ GUY, with NO sense of IRNY, using TP, FBSD, MDK, RR, OBSD, SOL, and drinking MATE. Also a VRY WRD formi. |
| 14:58.59 | its-formi | opinion about the riddles? |
| 14:59.04 | dankolb | GZ guy? Compressed? |
| 14:59.16 | its-formi | Galiza, |
| 14:59.21 | dpash | NO? how is that different from no |
| 14:59.25 | dankolb | :) |
| 14:59.48 | its-formi | it is a locale like uk |
| 15:00.09 | dpash | shoudln;t that be en_NO then? |
| 15:00.34 | dpash | s/h// |
| 15:00.48 | its-formi | dpash, what are you on? |
| 15:00.58 | dpash | its-formi: crack? |
| 15:01.11 | its-formi | i believe you |
| 15:01.12 | dpash | TP, RR SOL and MATE are confuing me |
| 15:01.25 | dpash | S on linux? |
| 15:01.30 | dpash | Road Runner? |
| 15:02.14 | its-formi | tp is hardware, fbsd --- sol are OSs, and MATE is MATE |
| 15:02.53 | its-formi | clear? |
| 15:03.10 | dpash | solaris? |
| 15:03.17 | its-formi | yeap |
| 15:03.19 | dankolb | SOL == solaris |
| 15:03.21 | dankolb | What's RR, though? |
| 15:03.31 | cupis | RockRidge? |
| 15:03.32 | its-formi | RED RAT |
| 15:03.35 | dankolb | Ah |
| 15:03.56 | its-formi | i have to suffer |
| 15:04.12 | dankolb | dpash: No. He doesn't want to suffer more |
| 15:04.13 | *** join/#gllug agk___ (~agk@tanganyika.uk.sistina.com) |
| 15:04.19 | agk___ | dankolb: please phone me |
| 15:04.25 | dankolb | Er...sure |
| 15:04.41 | dpash | its-formi: been there, done that, no thanks |
| 15:05.16 | its-formi | well then keep the DEB for you |
| 15:06.15 | Clyphox | at last.. the office is shut now |
| 15:06.26 | Clyphox | I can conscentrate on getting this bitch going.. |
| 15:06.35 | its-formi | my distro dislikes include RR, SS, DBN, |
| 15:06.44 | Clyphox | sry bout the bad word.. I'm a little angry |
| 15:07.00 | its-formi | don't worry |
| 15:07.13 | cupis | its-formi: re: DEB, mind if I ask what you dislike? |
| 15:07.17 | pdr | dpash: yeah, there were police all around, and they said I had to walk around through the park - the one near the city hall - but i had to take a piss, so i took a slash against this bush, then realised there was a person hiding there. |
| 15:07.20 | its-formi | we all have to "conscentrate" from time to time |
| 15:07.57 | its-formi | pdr: que esta fumando? |
| 15:07.59 | Clyphox | Hi pdr |
| 15:08.12 | pdr | its-formi: so cigarros |
| 15:08.42 | pdr | Clyphox: hi |
| 15:08.42 | its-formi | pdr; algunha xente subese so con cigarros |
| 15:09.12 | *** join/#gllug resuDaed (tom@pc-80-193-187-194-en.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:09.36 | Clyphox | resuDaed ! come on over here and help me please!! |
| 15:09.41 | Clyphox | I'm melting!! |
| 15:09.42 | resuDaed | Clyphox : ditto |
| 15:09.43 | dankolb | Hey resuDaed |
| 15:10.07 | resuDaed | I cant make my 426Mb boot |
| 15:10.21 | Clyphox | resuDaed, 486? |
| 15:10.29 | resuDaed | Clyphox : Compaq |
| 15:10.47 | Clyphox | resuDaed, Well do you have a working (cd-bootable) system? |
| 15:11.00 | Clyphox | resuDaed, the new one..? |
| 15:11.23 | resuDaed | Clyphox : yes, but no bootable cds (ie a nice slack resuce disk r something) |
| 15:11.37 | *** join/#gllug formi (~formi@klepto.pho.be) |
| 15:12.07 | resuDaed | the Celeron and the K6-3 both can boot from cd |
| 15:12.17 | formi | its-formi: how much are you willing to pay for the hair cut? |
| 15:12.29 | pdr | its-formi: estou fumando 'light' cigarros |
| 15:12.35 | Clyphox | resuDaed, Then we can get both systems going together? |
| 15:12.42 | its-formi | formi: bugger off |
| 15:13.01 | formi | its-formi: you wish |
| 15:13.09 | resuDaed | WhoTF is 'formi' (guessing its-formi is formi I know) |
| 15:13.54 | formi | WhoTF is Deaduser? |
| 15:14.14 | resuDaed | no idea, but I'm resuDaed |
| 15:14.27 | Clyphox | resuDaed, shall I bring my CD's/floppies and HDD round to your place then..? or is my room a better candidate? |
| 15:14.33 | its-formi | resuDaed: even you can't believe that |
| 15:15.12 | resuDaed | my place, no family and pleanty of room |
| 15:15.27 | formi | its-formi, come on i'll do it for free only this time |
| 15:15.58 | Clyphox | resuDaed, OK.. I'm on my way.. need to get some coke hehe.. need anything else? |
| 15:16.44 | formi | well im off to cut its-formi hair |
| 15:16.47 | formi | see ya |
| 15:17.01 | resuDaed | Clyphox : we (resuBitch & I were going to grab some lunch @ big cafe), so you may as well drop stuff here and come with us to get lunch |
| 15:17.23 | its-formi | well in my case im off to have my hair cut by formi |
| 15:17.33 | its-formi | see ya |
| 15:17.33 | dankolb | :) |
| 15:17.35 | dankolb | Have fun |
| 15:17.41 | dankolb | And say hi to formi :) |
| 15:17.42 | Clyphox | Already eaten.. I'll get a head start on you I think.. |
| 15:17.55 | its-formi | dankolb: he's a great guy, really |
| 15:17.58 | dankolb | I know |
| 15:18.12 | its-formi | chao |
| 15:18.50 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 15:24.29 | Clyphox | gah.. Nbsd : |
| 15:24.32 | Clyphox | I've tried on about 5 HDD's and three different computers now.. burned the CD 3 times and downloaded the ISO twice.. and installed off floppy and ftp twice too |
| 15:24.36 | dankolb | Aww |
| 15:24.39 | dankolb | Use Open |
| 15:25.14 | Clyphox | I don't want to give in.. I've run it before without problems.. must be my bad |
| 15:25.26 | dankolb | Maybe you've got a broken release? |
| 15:25.43 | Clyphox | 1.6 |
| 15:26.03 | Clyphox | Plus I've done it from two different mirrors.. |
| 15:26.25 | dankolb | Yeah, but if the release is borked |
| 15:27.23 | Clyphox | Drink Duff! |
| 15:27.28 | Clyphox | </plug> |
| 15:27.49 | dankolb | DUFF! |
| 15:28.41 | dankolb | "Can't get enough of that wonderful Duff" |
| 15:29.07 | Clyphox | [yawn] |
| 15:29.17 | Clyphox | resuDaed, I will be there in 10min |
| 15:29.47 | Clyphox | What do they call the model-army thing Alex is into resuDaed ? |
| 15:30.13 | Clyphox | <GRUMBLE> |
| 15:30.18 | dpash | is anyone having problems with http://www.xmlsoft.org |
| 15:30.19 | dankolb | Mustn't grumble |
| 15:30.42 | dpash | You know what they say: nothing can come from nothing |
| 15:30.42 | dankolb | It redirects to buydomains.com |
| 15:31.03 | dankolb | You come from nothing, you die with nothing. What've you lost? NOOOTHING! |
| 15:31.08 | Clyphox | resuDaed, What that army thingee Alex is into now? |
| 15:31.44 | resuDaed | Clyphox : Warhammer (40,000 I think) |
| 15:32.34 | dpash | w00t for google cache |
| 15:32.42 | Clyphox | :-) |
| 15:34.59 | cupis | dpash: I get 504 at xmlsoft.org |
| 15:35.11 | dpash | yeah fun things going on |
| 15:35.23 | Clyphox | Nice weather atm.. |
| 15:35.48 | dankolb | If only it was warmer... |
| 15:36.04 | Clyphox | the glass is already 90% full mate :-) |
| 15:36.34 | Clyphox|omw | I'm going to get off my arse now and go to resuDaed,es... |
| 15:36.43 | dankolb | :) |
| 15:36.46 | dankolb | Have fun |
| 15:40.26 | dankolb | Cya |
| 15:55.48 | *** join/#gllug Skuggan (~stig@braut.plus.com) |
| 15:56.05 | dankolb | Hi Skuggan |
| 15:56.09 | pdr | hi stig |
| 15:56.18 | Skuggan | hey people! :) |
| 15:57.10 | Skuggan | the last one (patch-16) means he not only took my bugfixes but merged in all my new features as well :) |
| 15:57.37 | pdr | number 7. |
| 15:57.39 | pdr | The larch. |
| 15:58.00 | pdr | Skuggan: nice work |
| 15:58.09 | dankolb | Food time |
| 15:58.09 | dankolb | Bye |
| 15:58.16 | pdr | l8r |
| 15:58.21 | pdr | Skuggan: what's the package? |
| 15:58.47 | Skuggan | pdr, package-framework -- a compelling replacement for autoconf/automake (and eventually libtool) |
| 15:59.00 | pdr | oooh, sounds cool |
| 15:59.22 | dpash | pdr: the larch was numbr 4 iirc |
| 15:59.30 | Skuggan | it's still not very mature, but it's very nice. handles only C (and with a small hack: C++) of the compiled languages yet though. |
| 15:59.38 | pdr | dpash: i disagree |
| 15:59.44 | Skuggan | `the larch'? |
| 16:01.24 | Skuggan | my additions was for compiling (and installing) documentation from LaTeX sources into ps, pdf, html & txt in addition to installation of datafiles. |
| 16:02.15 | resuDaed | ibot seen Clyphox|omw |
| 16:02.16 | | resuDaed: i haven't seen 'clyphox|omw ' |
| 16:02.25 | pdr | Skuggan: http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~leavens/larch-pics.html |
| 16:02.35 | dpash | [15:39] * Clyphox|omw buggers off (really :-) ) |
| 16:03.13 | pdr | Skuggan: i will have to check it out |
| 16:03.47 | resuDaed | is now 04:02pm, only 5 mins walk :S |
| 16:03.58 | Skuggan | pdr, i see. well, the `larch' referred to in the mail I cited is the arch revision control system (where I also just had some patches accepted, but of substantially less stature) |
| 16:04.55 | pdr | have you looked at a-a-p ever? |
| 16:07.13 | Skuggan | pdr, åp? what's that? |
| 16:07.22 | Skuggan | damn. |
| 16:07.34 | Skuggan | a-a-p, what's that? |
| 16:07.43 | Skuggan | stupid autocorrection script... |
| 16:08.21 | pdr | bram moolenaar (of vim fame) is writing a make replacement |
| 16:09.15 | pdr | www.a-a-p.org |
| 16:11.40 | Skuggan | pdr, i see. i'll have a look at it. |
| 16:11.58 | pdr | as for the larch, it was also a monty python sketch |
| 16:13.24 | Skuggan | package-framework is heavily relying on GNU make, which is actually very good, and `as portable as possible' shell scripts (and an ounce of C) |
| 16:19.27 | Clyphox | blerg |
| 16:19.47 | Clyphox | hmm. where's the pg-up key... |
| 16:22.05 | Clyphox | resuDaed watches soaps! |
| 16:26.34 | Clyphox | ping |
| 16:28.35 | Clyphox | [yawn] |
| 16:28.47 | Clyphox | even the ppl in #slackware are quiet... |
| 16:28.54 | Clyphox | must be a weekend thin... |
| 16:37.44 | Clyphox | blerg.. |
| 16:38.45 | dpash | bah |
| 16:38.54 | dpash | Clyphox: so where and when is this party? |
| 16:44.39 | resuDaed | Its the 22nd (day after) |
| 16:44.50 | resuDaed | In Enfield Highway... |
| 16:45.02 | resuDaed | My mom has actually rented a hall! gah.. I'm gonna hate it |
| 16:45.22 | resuDaed | I'm trying to get geeks to come so I don't have to be misserable all day |
| 16:45.58 | resuDaed | er.. sorry wrong console hehe.. this is me (Clyphox) |
| 16:45.58 | Skuggan | rwen:dists/src/moth% more Makefile.in |
| 16:45.58 | Skuggan | mains := moth.c |
| 16:45.58 | Skuggan | libs := $(objroot)/ggtl/libggtl.a $(objroot)/yalla/libyalla.a |
| 16:45.58 | Skuggan | include $(makefiles)/programs.mk |
| 16:45.58 | Skuggan | include $(makefiles)/install-programs.mk |
| 16:46.02 | Skuggan | arg! |
| 16:46.05 | Skuggan | sorry... |
| 16:46.08 | Clyphox | And this is me |
| 16:46.15 | Skuggan | didn't mean to paste _that_... |
| 16:46.18 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 16:46.22 | Skuggan | http://www.tellerecords.com/free/ |
| 16:46.28 | Skuggan | that's what I meant to paste |
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| 16:46.48 | Skuggan | free music for download, straight from the record company :P |
| 16:46.58 | marko85_uk | help help helppp |
| 16:46.58 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 16:47.58 | Clyphox | wa 'gwan? |
| 16:48.18 | marko85_uk | ok i did like i been told too about two hours ago |
| 16:49.04 | Clyphox | Whats that? |
| 16:49.05 | marko85_uk | installing a driver |
| 16:49.09 | Clyphox | For? |
| 16:49.21 | marko85_uk | and i read the readme.txt file |
| 16:49.22 | marko85_uk | modem |
| 16:49.30 | marko85_uk | and i did the six steps |
| 16:49.44 | Clyphox | which modem is it? |
| 16:50.15 | marko85_uk | first step tar -zxvf <archivename>.tgz |
| 16:50.26 | marko85_uk | then i got into the directory |
| 16:50.26 | marko85_uk | and typed |
| 16:50.26 | marko85_uk | "make clean" |
| 16:50.26 | marko85_uk | everything went well |
| 16:50.27 | marko85_uk | next command make ham |
| 16:50.30 | marko85_uk | and i get this error |
| 16:50.44 | marko85_uk | module precompile check |
| 16:50.59 | marko85_uk | current running kernel is: 2.4.18-14 |
| 16:51.18 | marko85_uk | *lib*modules... autoconf.h doesnt exist |
| 16:51.42 | marko85_uk | please install kernel source make:... [check] Error 1 |
| 16:52.03 | Clyphox | hmm.. what modem is it btw? |
| 16:52.15 | marko85_uk | its intel ham voice modem and driver can be found on intels site |
| 16:52.55 | marko85_uk | are u running linux? |
| 16:53.30 | marko85_uk | can u download the file on ur pc and just read the readme.txt file and tell me where i am going wrong |
| 16:57.02 | Skuggan | the coolest football player alive: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=47599 -- the tiny norwegian midfielder on the sidewalk, 04:30 wednesday night before match on sunday, challenging people to armwrestle him :D |
| 16:57.30 | Skuggan | he's the only football player I like and respect. |
| 16:57.42 | Skuggan | he's not in it for the money or the fuss, he just like playing ball. |
| 17:00.22 | Skuggan | oh, I don't watch football. I hate it in fact, I just like that player :P |
| 17:00.31 | Skuggan | he's sooooo cool ;P |
| 17:01.15 | Skuggan | the rest of the team goes to a press conference to boost their ego's -- mykland (that's his name) lounges at the poolside ;) |
| 17:01.34 | Skuggan | s,',, |
| 17:01.37 | pdr | cool |
| 17:03.05 | Skuggan | whoa. easy on the apostrophes there! :P |
| 17:03.29 | pdr | i do like people who don't take life so seriously though - it's one thing to be in your national football team, and another to be cool about it |
| 17:04.16 | Skuggan | yeah. he got in it quite badly for going to a bar during EC or WC i think... |
| 17:04.28 | pdr | lol |
| 17:06.04 | Skuggan | he's technically the best player Norway has, but lacks speed. he's only 5ft6 or something (but _still_ tackles like a god) |
| 17:06.18 | Skuggan | oh, and he can't shoot for shit ;P |
| 17:06.55 | Skuggan | his passes are godstruck though |
| 17:47.13 | pdr | dpash: ouch |
| 17:47.56 | pdr | how about that movie: "two weeks notice"? |
| 17:48.34 | pdr | they probably couldn't work out which side of the s to put the apostrophe, so decided to just leave it out. bloody seppos. |
| 17:51.06 | dpash | pdr: why should it have one? |
| 17:51.21 | dpash | pdr: weeks is not possesive |
| 17:51.40 | pdr | in my books it is |
| 17:52.12 | dpash | pdr: weeks is plural, but doesn't own the notice |
| 17:52.25 | pdr | would you then say "one week notice"? |
| 17:52.32 | pdr | or "one week's notice"? |
| 17:53.33 | dpash | but that would imply that the notice belonged to the week |
| 17:54.03 | pdr | it might not 'belong' to it, but it still requires use of the possesive |
| 17:54.42 | dpash | http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/grammarlogs4/grammarlogs543.htm |
| 17:57.53 | dpash | http://www.lessontutor.com/eesapostrophe.html |
| 18:00.14 | dpash | pdr: so it is weeks'but I still don't think it is possessive but never mind |
| 18:00.37 | pdr | the latter doesn't really cover our case, and I'd also disagree with a few of their rules |
| 18:00.51 | pdr | :-) |
| 18:01.15 | pdr | not worth arguing about anyway |
| 18:04.44 | pdr | although it's wrong either way, since without the apostrophe you'd need a hyphon since two describes weeks, not notice. i.e. "two-weeks notice" |
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| 18:45.29 | Skuggan | hi again |
| 18:46.07 | dpash | nope not here |
| 19:03.50 | skugg | xft == aa-fonts? |
| 19:04.05 | dpash | yep |
| 19:04.21 | skugg | i would like aterm with variable-width fonts... that would be nice. |
| 19:04.30 | skugg | tried some other term program, but it wasn't very good. |
| 19:05.12 | dpash | term + variable-width is horrible |
| 19:05.19 | dpash | terms need fixed width |
| 19:06.06 | skugg | yeah? I would like to have it in a pager for those really long email / news messages |
| 19:06.37 | skugg | i prefer fixed width for most things but for 'essay length' emails it would be nice to have variable-width fonts. |
| 19:06.43 | skugg | it's just nicer on the eyes I find. |
| 19:07.07 | skugg | that's the only reason I don't use lynx/links/w3m more too. |
| 19:07.27 | skugg | (that, and the fact that most of what I read online is webcomics... ;) |
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| 19:19.07 | marko85_uk | Hey ppl |
| 19:19.08 | marko85_uk | any music fans in here |
| 19:19.19 | marko85_uk | who sings this song and i triping all the way am tripping? |
| 19:21.45 | eye69 | If you know a bit of lyrics search for it on Google. |
| 19:22.31 | marko85_uk | i am just in process |
| 19:22.31 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 19:23.46 | marko85_uk | no luck |
| 19:36.23 | eye69 | marko85_uk: Papa Roach? |
| 19:39.36 | marko85_uk | hell no |
| 19:39.42 | marko85_uk | its like dance tune |
| 19:40.00 | marko85_uk | judge jules did it on radio 1 4 christmas |
| 19:40.20 | marko85_uk | its ok dont worry about it ill find it |
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| 19:49.52 | alex | hey all |
| 19:50.14 | OrangeSkies | anyone wanna help me out? |
| 19:52.47 | eye69 | I'm not a mindreader. |
| 19:54.01 | OrangeSkies | huh? |
| 19:56.08 | eye69 | What do you want help with? |
| 19:57.15 | OrangeSkies | my system crashes every time i try to mount my windows hard disk |
| 19:57.53 | eye69 | Define crashes. |
| 19:59.10 | OrangeSkies | everything locks up straight away |
| 19:59.11 | OrangeSkies | cant move the mouse the hard disk doesnt do anything, it all just stops =[ |
| 19:59.52 | eye69 | What's the partition layout? |
| 20:00.03 | eye69 | What FS on the Windows partition? |
| 20:00.46 | OrangeSkies | its FAT32 |
| 20:00.56 | OrangeSkies | linux is on my primary master |
| 20:01.04 | OrangeSkies | windows on secondary master |
| 20:01.13 | OrangeSkies | windows was installed first |
| 20:01.28 | eye69 | What kernel? |
| 20:01.44 | OrangeSkies | erm... how d'you check again? i forgot hehe |
| 20:01.51 | OrangeSkies | just installed mandrake 9.0 (again) |
| 20:01.58 | eye69 | uname -r |
| 20:02.02 | OrangeSkies | ok |
| 20:02.11 | OrangeSkies | 2.4.19-16mdk |
| 20:02.32 | eye69 | I can't say that I've ever encountered that problem. |
| 20:03.03 | OrangeSkies | ...bugger |
| 20:03.23 | OrangeSkies | when i try to boot straight into windows the screen just goes black |
| 20:03.59 | OrangeSkies | the first time i tried to mount it from linux it opened, but then i tried to get into one of my folders and it crashed like it does first time now |
| 20:04.43 | eye69 | What Win version? |
| 20:04.55 | eye69 | Windows generally can't cope with not being on the first disk. |
| 20:05.03 | OrangeSkies | windows xp |
| 20:05.08 | OrangeSkies | pro |
| 20:05.28 | eye69 | You mostly need to do some drive swapping in your boot manager to be able to do that. |
| 20:06.05 | Leeds | ntfs? |
| 20:06.14 | OrangeSkies | nah its FAT32 |
| 20:07.16 | OrangeSkies | i'm gonna fiddle around with my hard disks |
| 20:07.20 | eye69 | There's no real reason why that would make Linux lockup though. |
| 20:07.23 | OrangeSkies | swap some things about |
| 20:07.30 | OrangeSkies | nah it's weird innit =[ |
| 20:07.38 | OrangeSkies | i'll see what i can do |
| 20:07.42 | OrangeSkies | cyas later |
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| 20:15.34 | marko85_uk | Hey Gllugers |
| 20:15.35 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 20:15.54 | marko85_uk | if i want to send an e-mail to everyone on gllug list |
| 20:16.14 | marko85_uk | how do i do that |
| 20:16.59 | skugg | marko85_uk, send it to gllug@linux.co.uk? |
| 20:17.06 | marko85_uk | ok |
| 20:17.35 | skugg | if you think about sending individual messages to each member, *DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT* |
| 20:19.37 | marko85_uk | why? |
| 20:19.40 | marko85_uk | i wasnt going to |
| 20:19.53 | marko85_uk | why not tho? |
| 20:20.46 | eye69 | Because that would be stupid. |
| 20:20.53 | eye69 | Also, there is no viable reason for it. |
| 20:25.15 | marko85_uk | ok |
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| 20:29.00 | marko85_uk | ok message sent |
| 20:33.06 | Leeds | marko85_uk: did you install the kernel source? |
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| 20:33.27 | marko85_uk | well i dont think i have i just download the first three discs |
| 20:33.35 | marko85_uk | i thought the other 3 are the source code and stuff |
| 20:33.49 | Leeds | absolutely not your fault... but I think that distros which don't install kernel source (at least headers) and separate libraries from their headers are *broken by design* |
| 20:34.09 | marko85_uk | broke by desing means shit? |
| 20:34.22 | Leeds | I don't know what it's called - I don't use RedHat, remember - but the kernel source should be somewhere on the 'binary' CDs |
| 20:34.38 | marko85_uk | the once i didnt download |
| 20:34.49 | marko85_uk | fucking hell how many problems will i have :( |
| 20:34.50 | Leeds | not quite shit - just that they've decided to do things in a way which causes no end of problems for people - like your problem now |
| 20:36.09 | marko85_uk | leeds if me i concied myself to have a bit of ICT knowledge can not install red hat and get it to work for 5 weeks how is some newbie that decided to learn linux straight away do it? |
| 20:36.16 | Leeds | the RPM you need is called kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm and it's not listed as a source RPM, so it should be on the binary CDs |
| 20:36.52 | Leeds | first thing - don't use RedHat :-) I think Mandrake is currently the king of the easy-install... and don't use semi-supported hardware like dodgy modems |
| 20:37.47 | SpudUAway | Nah, think SuSE is King of Easy Install |
| 20:37.48 | Leeds | if you don't have that RPM, you can get it from ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/8.0/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm |
| 20:37.53 | marko85_uk | someone told me that but u know me always want my own way |
| 20:38.09 | SpudUAway | Mandrake is easier to download though! |
| 20:38.10 | marko85_uk | how big is that file? |
| 20:38.34 | Leeds | unfortunately, if you always want your own way... you need to do a bit of work to make it your way... |
| 20:38.37 | Leeds | about 28Mb |
| 20:39.03 | marko85_uk | i am doing work :) but maybe not enough of it hehe |
| 20:39.25 | eye69 | Debian has a separate headers debfile with the headers configured for the running kernel...I don't know if RH has something equivalent. |
| 20:39.43 | marko85_uk | why there are some people that just wack red hat in install and enjoy and me having to configure every single peace of hardware |
| 20:40.00 | eye69 | Like if I run 2.4.18-i686 I would install kernel-headers-2.4.18-i686 |
| 20:40.05 | Leeds | eye69: I'd expect it to be called something like kernel-headers, and that's not there... I think slack has a similar thing |
| 20:40.43 | Leeds | since I only use the Linus kernel (plus any needed patches), it doesn't really apply to me... |
| 20:40.53 | eye69 | Me neither. |
| 20:41.03 | eye69 | Updating CV is boring |
| 20:41.16 | marko85_uk | leeds do u think that file i need would be on the first 3 discs? |
| 20:41.42 | eye69 | Search on the discs for any file matching *header* |
| 20:41.44 | Leeds | marko85_uk: probably - I don't have the CDs, so I can't tell... it certainly *should* be, unless RedHat have completely lost it... |
| 20:41.54 | Leeds | eye69: I'm looking on the FTP... |
| 20:42.10 | marko85_uk | thanks leeds |
| 20:42.15 | marko85_uk | eye69 how do i do that |
| 20:42.51 | eye69 | Mount the CD, run 'find /cdrom | grep -i header' |
| 20:43.35 | Leeds | better to find /cdrom/RedHat/RPMS |
| 20:43.45 | marko85_uk | and how do i do that |
| 20:44.00 | marko85_uk | i write everything then i boot into linux and try those out |
| 20:45.24 | marko85_uk | i can just right click on the desktop and access the CD |
| 20:46.34 | Leeds | go to d:\RedHat\RPMS (assuming your CD is D:) |
| 20:46.50 | marko85_uk | ill do that now |
| 20:47.34 | marko85_uk | i am in |
| 20:47.38 | marko85_uk | which file am i looking for |
| 20:47.43 | Leeds | look for files starting with kernel- |
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| 20:48.39 | dankolb | Evening |
| 20:48.40 | marko85_uk | i got |
| 20:48.45 | marko85_uk | kernelsource file |
| 20:48.47 | Leeds | hey dan |
| 20:48.48 | marko85_uk | is that the one? |
| 20:48.52 | Leeds | marko85_uk: sounds like it |
| 20:48.53 | marko85_uk | dankolb |
| 20:49.09 | marko85_uk | it is deffinitly the one u names |
| 20:49.11 | marko85_uk | named |
| 20:49.32 | marko85_uk | kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386 |
| 20:49.40 | Leeds | yup |
| 20:49.52 | marko85_uk | i need to install that file on my sistem |
| 20:50.14 | marko85_uk | system* |
| 20:50.17 | Leeds | yup |
| 20:50.39 | marko85_uk | and do i do cd /cdrom/redhat/rpms/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386 |
| 20:50.52 | marko85_uk | which command do i need to type in order to extract it |
| 20:51.37 | dankolb | rpm |
| 20:51.59 | marko85_uk | rpm /cdrom/redhat/rpms/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386 |
| 20:52.05 | dankolb | No |
| 20:52.08 | dankolb | man rpm |
| 20:52.08 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:52.17 | marko85_uk | is it self explanatory i mean will i need to type in the directory |
| 20:52.24 | marko85_uk | man rpm what? |
| 20:52.36 | Leeds | do you not know about man? |
| 20:52.43 | marko85_uk | tell me the steps |
| 20:52.47 | marko85_uk | not really |
| 20:52.52 | dankolb | man rpm |
| 20:53.10 | marko85_uk | so i just type in command promt man rpm |
| 20:53.17 | Leeds | man is tha manual... type "man command" to see a reference manual for the command, so "man rpm" will tell you how to use RPM |
| 20:53.18 | marko85_uk | and everything should work after i do that? |
| 20:53.23 | Leeds | at some length... :-) |
| 20:54.39 | Leeds | there's probably a graphical tool to do it too... |
| 20:54.47 | dankolb | Bah. |
| 20:54.47 | marko85_uk | ok i just hope it will tell me |
| 20:55.16 | skugg | <-- bored |
| 20:55.31 | skugg | arwright, i'm leaving now. can't take it anymore. |
| 20:55.37 | Leeds | seeya skugg |
| 20:55.41 | skugg | s,r,, |
| 20:55.55 | dankolb | seeya |
| 20:55.56 | skugg | seya Leeds, dankolb, others |
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| 20:57.22 | marko85_uk | check ur e-mail :)) |
| 20:57.37 | Jenson | Evening guys |
| 20:57.59 | Leeds | hey Jenson |
| 20:58.04 | Jenson | hey Leeds |
| 20:59.59 | dankolb | Windoze? |
| 21:00.46 | dankolb | So you went from a working Slackware system.... |
| 21:00.48 | Leeds | wow... well, there goes any support from me - I don't do Debian :-) |
| 21:01.07 | Jenson | I'm still running Slack |
| 21:01.17 | Leeds | same box? |
| 21:01.25 | Jenson | yeah |
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| 21:01.35 | dankolb | hi maxo |
| 21:01.46 | maxo | hello |
| 21:01.49 | Jenson | sorry, kinda getting confused between phone and irc |
| 21:01.52 | Leeds | evening maxo |
| 21:02.38 | maxo | I came in here once, but that was a long time ago |
| 21:02.47 | Leeds | ibot maxo |
| 21:02.48 | | Leeds: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:03.00 | dankolb | Ah |
| 21:03.29 | Leeds | are you a glluger? |
| 21:03.53 | maxo | not really |
| 21:04.27 | Leeds | in that case, welcome to gllug :-) |
| 21:04.33 | dankolb | Yup. |
| 21:04.50 | dankolb | Please give a complete technical summary of yourself in 24 seconds, and then a summary that everyone will understand in 7 words. |
| 21:04.51 | dankolb | :-) |
| 21:05.13 | Leeds | alternatively, feel free to ignore dan - we all do :-) |
| 21:05.21 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:05.29 | marko85_uk | leeds if i type rmp ivh /cdrom/Redhat/Rpms/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386 |
| 21:05.30 | Jenson | yeah ignore him, he's cool though |
| 21:05.38 | marko85_uk | do i need to type in the ending of the file |
| 21:05.40 | marko85_uk | if i do is the ending |
| 21:05.46 | dankolb | Leeds: If you ignore me, I won't buy you a beer |
| 21:06.14 | marko85_uk | kernel-2.4.18-14.i386.src.rpm |
| 21:06.16 | maxo | I prefer to remain anonymousish but I'll go as far as to say that I'm on Mandrake 9 trying to install kde 3.1 and having a nightmare doing so and therefore I stumbled into here |
| 21:06.33 | dankolb | Have a beer. Then you can drunkenly stumble into here |
| 21:06.34 | Leeds | marko85_uk: "rpm -ivh /cdrom/Redhat/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm" |
| 21:07.06 | marko85_uk | ok ill let u know how i got on |
| 21:07.06 | Leeds | marko85_uk: the case of letters in the filename is important, and you (almost certainly) need both a - before the ivh and .rpm at the end |
| 21:07.43 | marko85_uk | so rpm a-ivh /cdrom/Redhat/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm |
| 21:07.47 | dankolb | (even though I'm being ignored) |
| 21:08.06 | marko85_uk | is that what u mean leads? |
| 21:08.10 | marko85_uk | leeds* |
| 21:08.39 | Leeds | marko85_uk: not a-ivh, but apart from that, yes |
| 21:09.06 | marko85_uk | leeds u are really confusing me is the command i gave correct |
| 21:09.14 | marko85_uk | rpm -ivh /cdrom/Redhat/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm |
| 21:09.20 | Leeds | marko85_uk: you wrote "rpm a-ivh /cdrom/Redhat/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm" |
| 21:09.28 | Leeds | I wrote "rpm -ivh /cdrom/Redhat/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm" |
| 21:09.41 | marko85_uk | i wrote that after u told me this (almost certainly) need both a - before |
| 21:09.49 | maxo | has anyone here managed to get kde 3.1 working on mandrake 9.0? |
| 21:10.01 | marko85_uk | so i though i need letter a before the - |
| 21:10.02 | Leeds | marko85_uk: but you put an extra a in there! |
| 21:10.22 | marko85_uk | coz i miss understud what u told me to do |
| 21:10.23 | Leeds | marko85_uk: just enter what I told you to enter... |
| 21:10.38 | marko85_uk | ok sorry :) |
| 21:10.49 | Leeds | :-) |
| 21:11.11 | marko85_uk | ill be back soon |
| 21:11.13 | maxo | marko85_uk: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:11.16 | marko85_uk | speak in a bit |
| 21:11.16 | Leeds | marko85_uk: are you reading the replies to you on the mailing list too? |
| 21:11.19 | marko85_uk | maxo dont start hehe |
| 21:11.20 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 21:11.33 | marko85_uk | yeah that guy gave me instructiosn |
| 21:12.42 | Leeds | and Rich, who works for RedHat, corrected him :-) |
| 21:13.04 | marko85_uk | hehe i so wanted to do that |
| 21:13.05 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 21:13.12 | marko85_uk | i will do it |
| 21:13.59 | marko85_uk | he works for RedHat i would love to work for RedHat |
| 21:14.30 | Leeds | why? |
| 21:14.34 | Jenson | yeah why? |
| 21:14.58 | maxo | they're hated a bit at the moment by some people |
| 21:15.38 | Leeds | hated is probably a bit strong... |
| 21:16.20 | maxo | I just found http://www.mosfet.org/noredhat.html and that went quite far |
| 21:16.21 | dankolb | No, some people do hate them. |
| 21:16.25 | dankolb | Others just dislike them. |
| 21:16.28 | dankolb | Some people do like them |
| 21:17.40 | Leeds | marko85_uk: so, why? :-) |
| 21:32.11 | Leeds | and everyone stopped talking... |
| 21:32.17 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:33.07 | dankolb | Sorry |
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| 21:33.21 | dankolb | Hey Stig |
| 21:33.24 | Skuggan | hi dan |
| 21:33.26 | Leeds | hey skugg |
| 21:33.26 | Skuggan | gah. |
| 21:33.29 | Jenson | hey Skuggan |
| 21:33.36 | skugg | hi jenson and Leeds :) |
| 21:33.39 | Clyphox | hi |
| 21:33.43 | dankolb | Hi Clyphox |
| 21:33.49 | skugg | and Clyphox :) |
| 21:33.52 | Clyphox | : ) |
| 21:34.22 | skugg | for i in * ; do echo "hi $i!" ; done |
| 21:34.25 | skugg | :) |
| 21:34.32 | skugg | damnit! |
| 21:34.47 | skugg | printf.net (or its routing) seems to have gone tits-up. |
| 21:35.02 | skugg | that's where all my mail goes at the moment. |
| 21:35.05 | skugg | damn. |
| 21:35.37 | murble | skugg: probably just standard void disk death. |
| 21:35.53 | skugg | murble, heh. that's comforting :P |
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| 21:36.39 | Jenson | hi cupis |
| 21:36.42 | cupis | hi |
| 21:37.12 | skugg | murble, you don't happen to know where they're hosted, and if i can find out whether that company have problems, do you? |
| 21:37.29 | skugg | my leads (from traceroute) ends at *.clara.net... |
| 21:37.35 | Clyphox | gnome-settings-daemon sucks! |
| 21:37.37 | skugg | i'm not great on these things |
| 21:38.07 | Leeds | jmm... Thora Hird died... |
| 21:39.24 | Clyphox | "Hip-Hop" sucks arse |
| 21:42.45 | stephen | evening all |
| 21:42.51 | Jenson | hi stephen |
| 21:42.53 | Clyphox | gudday |
| 21:43.02 | Clyphox | Now... netBSD |
| 21:43.06 | Clyphox | Muhahahaha |
| 21:43.10 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:43.16 | stephen | hi Jenson |
| 21:43.17 | Clyphox | er.. sorry typing out loud again.. |
| 21:43.29 | dankolb | *clickety-click* |
| 21:43.35 | Clyphox | too much Coffee.. |
| 21:43.38 | dankolb | Bang head on keyboard. Write Per.. |
| 21:43.39 | Clyphox | er.. Need more..!! |
| 21:43.40 | dankolb | *Perl |
| 21:43.44 | Clyphox | lol |
| 21:44.01 | skugg | Jenson, sort the debian install. |
| 21:44.08 | Clyphox | I read a fortune saying the sendmail.cf looks like someone's been baning head on the keyboard.. |
| 21:44.17 | Jenson | good idea skugg |
| 21:44.20 | Clyphox | Sounds very likely :-) I did myself.. |
| 21:44.24 | dankolb | FreeBSD |
| 21:44.33 | Clyphox | Security |
| 21:44.48 | dankolb | Give me Slackware any day |
| 21:45.06 | Clyphox | The linux kernels take too much damn patching.. |
| 21:45.10 | Jenson | I'm still using Slack |
| 21:45.11 | skugg | dankolb must pretty talented. it takes talent to screw up with debian (unless you run unstable) |
| 21:45.23 | dankolb | Wasn't my install |
| 21:45.26 | Jenson | I aint gonna use Debian unless Ross sorts it out for me, and I just distract him anyway |
| 21:45.56 | maxo | I managed to install debian once but it wasn't great |
| 21:45.58 | cupis | Jenson: what is wrong with your Debian install? |
| 21:46.18 | Jenson | cupis: Its a minamal command line install or something....I wasn't watching |
| 21:47.27 | Leeds | I found freebsd quite friendly... |
| 21:47.56 | cupis | Jenson: okay |
| 21:48.20 | Jenson | cupis: Ask zimm, he installed it, I just ignored it |
| 21:48.21 | skugg | i found freebsd got its nickers in a twist over my pcmcia-card and froze up completely _every_ time. |
| 21:48.34 | skugg | i.e. completely useless to me. |
| 21:48.43 | cupis | Jenson: is it handy? |
| 21:48.46 | Leeds | I've got it on a PC at work |
| 21:48.53 | Jenson | cupis: nope |
| 21:49.07 | cupis | Jenson: ah, okay |
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| 21:56.36 | eye69 | Anybody feel like giving a few pointers on my CV? |
| 21:56.41 | eye69 | http://upcore.net/cv.txt |
| 21:57.38 | skugg | eye69, s,used,using, ? |
| 21:58.42 | Leeds | eye69: you're only 2 months younger than me... |
| 21:59.16 | Leeds | outward=outgoing |
| 21:59.53 | Leeds | "For about all my life I've been interested in computers." should be something like "For most of my life, I've been interested in computers." |
| 22:00.33 | eye69 | skugg: As in the skill is currently used |
| 22:01.07 | eye69 | Leeds: Thought you were older (no offence :) |
| 22:01.22 | Leeds | I thought you were younger :-) |
| 22:01.26 | eye69 | Heh |
| 22:01.46 | eye69 | I can't think of much else to put in the skill list |
| 22:01.56 | eye69 | Updated.... |
| 22:02.21 | new2unix_ | would the pdf version have more eye candy? |
| 22:02.37 | eye69 | Haven't really planned a pdf version |
| 22:02.54 | Leeds | I wouldn't put the skills list like that... I'd probably skip the "last used" column altogether (maybe just separate the table into "currently used" and other) - and note that many people might read it with a proportional font, so a table could be very very messy |
| 22:03.10 | eye69 | I'm going to have to make a .doc though, considering all those brain dead recruiters out there |
| 22:03.32 | dankolb | cp cv.txt cv.doc |
| 22:03.34 | dankolb | HTH |
| 22:03.57 | skugg | eye69, s/watch movies with some of my friends/watch movies with friends/ |
| 22:04.12 | dankolb | What if you have no friends? |
| 22:04.20 | Leeds | if you're in England, it should be films, not movies |
| 22:04.47 | eye69 | dankolb: Hey, don't rub it in. |
| 22:04.50 | Leeds | processorfamily=processor family |
| 22:05.05 | Leeds | *note people chatting on IRC at 10pm on Saturday night* |
| 22:05.11 | skugg | :P |
| 22:05.34 | skugg | touché :P |
| 22:05.51 | eye69 | *slap* |
| 22:06.12 | maxo | I'm trying to run a program called gcvs but I get an "error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:06.12 | maxo | " message. I've installed tcl so I don't see what it could be. Does anyone have any idea? |
| 22:06.25 | eye69 | Updated... |
| 22:06.40 | eye69 | I don't know if I should write some more about the work I did at ADVFN |
| 22:06.54 | Leeds | maxo: is libtcl8.4.so in /usr/lib? |
| 22:07.26 | Leeds | eye69: how bothered are you about the 'smoothness' of the English? |
| 22:07.54 | maxo | Leeds: there's a libtcl8.3.so file |
| 22:08.03 | new2unix_ | eye69: you'll have to reformat it if youre going to send a .doc version to agencies. Dont think they'll appreciate a plain txt version as a .doc CV. headings could be made BOLD or a font size bigger than the rest and such. |
| 22:08.25 | Leeds | maxo: and that should work why? it' |
| 22:08.34 | Leeds | it's telling you it can't find libtcl8.4.so :-) |
| 22:08.44 | Leeds | bloody keyboard - I keep hitting return instead of ' |
| 22:09.08 | maxo | Leeds: but according to the gcvs download page, it needs tcl 8.3 , not 8.4 |
| 22:09.19 | eye69 | Leeds: Can't comment. |
| 22:09.22 | Leeds | maxo: rebuild from source |
| 22:09.28 | maxo | and there's no tcl 8.4 on rpmfind.net |
| 22:09.42 | eye69 | Leeds: I'm not british...hard to write perfect flowing english. |
| 22:09.47 | Leeds | eye69: what I mean is things like... a lot of your sentences are quite short and choppy, so it doesn't read smoothly |
| 22:09.53 | Jenson | eye69: I am and I still can't do it |
| 22:11.05 | maxo | Leeds: strange, i just renamed libtcl8.3 to 8.4 and it worked |
| 22:11.28 | dankolb | "Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?" |
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| 22:11.31 | Leeds | oh, and shellscripting and problemsolving should have spaces |
| 22:11.31 | eye69 | Leeds: Do you think a company would be _that_ picky, considering I haven't even been in the country for a year. |
| 22:11.36 | marko85 | hey everyone |
| 22:11.37 | marko85 | guess what |
| 22:11.42 | marko85 | hehe |
| 22:11.46 | marko85 | just gess what marko is running |
| 22:11.46 | marko85 | :) |
| 22:11.47 | eye69 | s/\//?/ |
| 22:11.47 | marko85 | wowwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 22:11.49 | marko85 | woooowwww |
| 22:11.56 | Leeds | eye69: if you're competing with 50 other people for a job, you need every chance you can get |
| 22:12.04 | eye69 | Leeds: Good point. |
| 22:12.05 | marko85 | i would like to thank everyone for helping me out |
| 22:12.10 | marko85 | even Jenson |
| 22:12.10 | marko85 | :) |
| 22:12.14 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:12.19 | marko85 | not that she helped me or anything |
| 22:12.22 | Leeds | the first thing they do is bin 30-40 of the CVs... |
| 22:12.43 | marko85 | ill e-mail people that helped me on gllug list |
| 22:12.51 | marko85 | ibot insult Windows |
| 22:12.56 | Leeds | marko85: congratulations :-) |
| 22:13.05 | new2unix_ | weldone. |
| 22:13.07 | new2unix_ | :) |
| 22:13.23 | marko85 | thanks leeds :) i seriously wouldnt have done it without you |
| 22:13.35 | Jenson | I now have Win98, Slack and Debian on here |
| 22:13.35 | eye69 | Updated... |
| 22:13.40 | marko85 | dankolb hehe me too but you have to undersand its nice to be on linux |
| 22:13.41 | Leeds | marko85: I know :-) |
| 22:13.47 | dankolb | Why have two Linux distros? |
| 22:13.51 | dankolb | marko85: Is it? |
| 22:13.53 | marko85 | hehe thanks again leeds |
| 22:14.25 | Leeds | eye69: try viewing it in a proportional font and see what your layour looks like |
| 22:15.38 | skugg | eye69, i know a guy that was set to sort cv's and applications by his boss. he said "but I have no qualification to do this!" but the boss said "Yes you do; bin all that spell our name or address incorrectly, everything with coffestains etc, or are more than 2 pages long. If there's more than 50 left after that: throw away half of them at random. those people have bad luck, and we can't afford hiring people with bad luck" |
| 22:15.52 | new2unix_ | i like the simplicity of the BSD's over Linux. |
| 22:16.03 | marko85 | dankolb its kind of cool |
| 22:16.09 | eye69 | skugg: Lol |
| 22:16.12 | dankolb | Bah. My CV is 4 pages, and I can't think much about shrinking it |
| 22:16.14 | marko85 | how do i edit the colours of x chat? |
| 22:16.42 | marko85 | its kind of white on black and i like it black on white background |
| 22:16.45 | maxo | mark085: settings? |
| 22:16.58 | dankolb | Black on white background? Ewww |
| 22:17.08 | skugg | dankolb, how about some of the education section? surely you don't need to list where you did your GCSEs? |
| 22:17.16 | dankolb | I guess I could summarise |
| 22:17.30 | Leeds | I use black-on-white for reading on my iPAQ... but white-on-black on PCs |
| 22:17.51 | Jenson | I use white-on-black on PC |
| 22:18.07 | dankolb | White text on black background is nice on the eyes |
| 22:18.22 | Jenson | Ah well, sleep time |
| 22:18.24 | maxo | I normally use ksirc but since my kde 3.1 is completely broken and giving me hell, I'm using xchat |
| 22:18.25 | Jenson | Night guys! |
| 22:18.34 | skugg | s,head,eyes, |
| 22:18.42 | new2unix_ | Jenson: Night |
| 22:18.48 | Jenson | night new2unix_ |
| 22:18.50 | Leeds | night Jenson |
| 22:18.54 | Jenson | night Leeds |
| 22:20.01 | eye69 | Ok, updated... |
| 22:20.26 | eye69 | Bar rewriting all the text, I don't think there's much to do about the language. |
| 22:21.41 | eye69 | Leeds: How can I view it in a proportional font? |
| 22:21.53 | Leeds | eye69: I'd list languages with personal info at the top as something like "Languages: Swedish (Mother tongue) and English" rather than lumping it in with the technical skills |
| 22:22.23 | eye69 | Yeah, I actually thought of that. |
| 22:22.44 | Leeds | eye69: hang on |
| 22:23.15 | eye69 | Updated |
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| 22:23.50 | eye69 | I'm using tabs, so the tables should be alright |
| 22:23.51 | marko85_uk2 | helpp :) |
| 22:24.00 | marko85_uk2 | how do i change the txt writing on this thing |
| 22:24.06 | marko85_uk2 | i manage to change the background |
| 22:24.22 | marko85_uk2 | done |
| 22:24.22 | marko85_uk2 | hehe |
| 22:25.08 | Leeds | eye69: see http://www.j-colo.net/~richardc/eye.jpg for a view of it in mozilla with proportional fonts |
| 22:25.43 | eye69 | Damn |
| 22:25.57 | Leeds | yeah :-( |
| 22:26.28 | Leeds | marko85_uk2: try changing the 'foreground' colour |
| 22:26.47 | eye69 | In a .doc that would be fixed though... |
| 22:27.25 | Leeds | eye69: if you e-mail that to someone, and they view it using a mailer with a proportional font (which is the wrong thing to do, but common), it would (maybe) look like that |
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| 22:28.09 | Leeds | eye69: the other thing is that plain text should probably fit in 80 columns... |
| 22:28.11 | eye69 | I'm going to be sending a .doc to avoid stupid recruiters. |
| 22:28.14 | marko85_uk2 | Leeds you know the box i am writing in how do i change the color of the text that i am writing |
| 22:28.37 | eye69 | 80, or 72 for email (74?) |
| 22:28.55 | Leeds | marko85_uk2: I don't know what you mean |
| 22:28.56 | cupis | 72 |
| 22:30.03 | marko85_uk2 | at the moment i am writing something in the box and my writing is gray so in the box where i am writing this color of my writing is gray |
| 22:30.35 | eye69 | Leeds: Well, it can't really be considered my problem if I send them a .txt and they use a fucked up system |
| 22:30.50 | Leeds | eye69: it's *your* problem if it stops you getting the job! |
| 22:31.12 | eye69 | I'm only saying it's kind of extreme |
| 22:31.31 | eye69 | Then I might as well scrap .txt all together |
| 22:31.59 | Leeds | some people will require text, so they can file it easily... but they may still be using Outlook to read it |
| 22:32.19 | skugg | eye69, LaTeX converts easily to dvi/ps/pdf/html/txt... |
| 22:32.40 | eye69 | skugg: I'm not going to learn LaTeX |
| 22:33.03 | skugg | oh. okay. how about openoffice then? |
| 22:33.08 | eye69 | I've had a couple of recruiters tell me to resend the CV in .doc format, because they "can't open it" |
| 22:35.26 | Leeds | again - you want the job or not? |
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| 22:36.30 | marko85_uk | its fine now |
| 22:36.31 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 22:40.48 | cupis | Leeds: can you get me some, please? |
| 22:41.17 | Leeds | if I get some, sure |
| 22:41.51 | cupis | Leeds: thanks :) |
| 22:42.00 | Leeds | you accept DCC BAGEL, right? |
| 22:42.41 | cupis | Leeds: yup |
| 22:44.01 | eye69 | Installing OOo now. |
| 22:44.50 | stephen | eye69: be prepared for the *slowest* application ever |
| 22:45.05 | eye69 | I've run it before. |
| 22:46.05 | stephen | I really dislike OOo, but seem forced to use it as most of the docs that come out of my Computing dept. seem to be in .doc or .ppt format |
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| 22:47.36 | Leeds | it's not the slowest... |
| 22:47.50 | stephen | slowest that I use, by far |
| 22:48.01 | *** part/#gllug KMD (~kemdi@host217-39-16-186.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:48.07 | Leeds | it could be worse... it could be Java :-) |
| 22:54.12 | skugg | Leeds, shhh! :P |
| 22:54.59 | skugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.56 | new2unix | my work collegues are impressed with Linux eversince i showed them Knoppix. :D |
| 22:56.33 | new2unix | For some odd reason they thought Linux was txt based (command line only) |
| 22:56.55 | skugg | new2unix, who are "they"? recruiters? |
| 22:57.41 | new2unix | "they" my work collegues. |
| 22:58.16 | new2unix | the guys who support our systems. |
| 22:58.20 | new2unix | we are 4 |
| 22:58.45 | new2unix | An IT manager and three others (including myself) |
| 22:59.09 | skugg | i see |
| 23:00.11 | new2unix | Its an Apple house and Windows too. So the IT manager feels there is no need to even have a look at any unix/linx alternatives. |
| 23:00.30 | new2unix | Well, thats fine by me. As long as i have a job, thats cool. :D |
| 23:01.20 | new2unix | DTP mainly |
| 23:01.22 | skugg | new2unix, seems a wise choice in these times... unfortunately |
| 23:01.31 | skugg | DTP? |
| 23:01.42 | new2unix | Desktop Publishing |
| 23:01.51 | skugg | can you please cut down on the TLAs? :) |
| 23:01.54 | new2unix | DTP on a very large scale |
| 23:04.06 | Leeds | DTP is a *very* old and common TLA |
| 23:04.16 | Leeds | new2unix: no MacOS X? |
| 23:04.59 | skugg | i'm not very TLA-savvy... |
| 23:05.14 | skugg | don't know what it comes from. maybe moving late into computing? |
| 23:05.35 | Leeds | could be... btu DTP isn't really a jargon term - it's pretty common outside technical stuff |
| 23:05.39 | skugg | or simply that Alzheimer kicks in early? |
| 23:07.28 | new2unix | yep. the G4's are dula boot machines but users arent aware yet. we get them to use MacOs9.22 till a time we are ready for the transtion. |
| 23:07.56 | new2unix | Not all applications have been tested under OS X |
| 23:09.04 | new2unix | I'm new to the world of Apple but i'm always keen to try out the "terminal" while my collegues prefer the eye candy of the drag and drop world :) |
| 23:09.39 | dankolb | The Terminal is quite useful |
| 23:10.28 | Leeds | not as useful as the Terminator |
| 23:10.50 | dankolb | Especially a Terminator on a BNC network |
| 23:11.26 | new2unix | hehe |
| 23:12.29 | skugg | dankolb, not without its twin! :P |
| 23:12.39 | dankolb | True :) |
| 23:14.30 | new2unix | By upgrading from 9.22 to OS X, we are going to dish out on a whole new set of licenses that require upgrading too cos they presently done work too well wth MacOS9.22 |
| 23:14.46 | new2unix | Where would i go about searching for a Linux alternative? |
| 23:14.58 | skugg | okay; this is the situation. I had gandi.net redirecting my email from my domain to stig@printf.net . now it seems printf.net have gone tits-up. I've rerouted mail to a different address, but that won't take effect until 22 hours or so. |
| 23:14.59 | dankolb | www.freebsd.org |
| 23:15.04 | dankolb | That's a good Linux alternative |
| 23:15.20 | new2unix | What do people in the Free/Open world use for DTP on a medium to large scale? |
| 23:15.23 | dankolb | skugg: Does printf.net have an MX backup? |
| 23:15.26 | skugg | will I lose mail in the meantime? or will it be re-delivered to my new address after it becomes live? |
| 23:15.28 | dankolb | new2unix: I think they don't |
| 23:15.32 | skugg | dankolb, i don't know |
| 23:15.39 | dankolb | Hm. Dunno, skugg |
| 23:16.15 | skugg | hope i'm not bouncing... |
| 23:16.37 | Leeds | you shouldn't lose mail as long as your address is dead for less than about 4 years |
| 23:16.40 | skugg | since it's a black hole atm it shouldn't, right? |
| 23:16.43 | Leeds | argh! 4 days! |
| 23:16.44 | skugg | <-- paranoid |
| 23:16.52 | Leeds | years? damn I'm tired... |
| 23:16.54 | skugg | Leeds, for what? |
| 23:17.10 | skugg | ah. :) |
| 23:17.16 | dankolb | skugg: You mail will be queued up on urchin.earth.li |
| 23:17.28 | skugg | dankolb, okay. |
| 23:17.28 | dankolb | And it'll be delivered to void when it comes back up |
| 23:17.37 | dankolb | (host -t mx printf.net) |
| 23:17.40 | skugg | okay, that's fine. |
| 23:17.55 | new2unix | dankolb: you said they dont. what do you mean? |
| 23:17.56 | skugg | thanks, i'll try to remember that (but probably won't) |
| 23:18.22 | dankolb | I don't think that people in the Free world use DTP |
| 23:18.26 | dankolb | (much) |
| 23:20.00 | new2unix | and the opensource world? |
| 23:20.14 | dankolb | Likewise |
| 23:20.30 | dankolb | Look at Scribus, but it won't do anything like what PageMaker can do |
| 23:21.03 | new2unix | what about Colin and John? i guess i should ask spud when next he's online to see what he uses on the Linux magazine they both work on. |
| 23:24.09 | Leeds | they use open/star office for at least some stuff |
| 23:31.52 | new2unix | do they have a Quark equivalent? |
| 23:32.04 | new2unix | they dont use MS stuff do they? |
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| 23:40.36 | Leeds | right, bagel time... anyone got any (virtual) orders? |
| 23:42.00 | cupis | a couple of plain bagels for me, please |
| 23:42.10 | dankolb | Sesame? |
| 23:42.32 | Leeds | I'll see :-) |
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| 23:47.26 | new2unix | bye all |
| 23:48.10 | dankolb | hi rev1318 |
| 23:48.17 | rev1318 | hihi |
| 23:49.01 | rev1318 | only just started using linux and thought i'd configure the irc |
| 23:52.32 | skugg | hm. i'm seemingly already getting mail on the redirected address... that's a good thing surely :P |
| 23:52.58 | dankolb | skugg: Yeah |
| 23:53.00 | skugg | Leeds, one with hot salt beef and majo, easy on the mustard :P |
| 23:53.06 | dankolb | rev1318: Oh good. You've got the most important bit done, then |
| 23:53.36 | skugg | dankolb, fast work by gandi.net. cudos to them. |
| 23:53.48 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:53.51 | dankolb | yeh |
| 23:54.21 | rev1318 | yes that and printing, isdn, connecting to ntfs shares, palm hotsink.......lots of reading |
| 23:55.12 | dankolb | :) |
