irclog2html for #gllug on 20030319

00:00.16formisimon here wanted to know about the theory about irc and using real names as nicks
00:01.40dankolbblah
00:03.54dankolbbluh
00:03.56cupisformi: blah
00:04.15resuDaedevening all
00:05.45resuDaed??
00:06.16simonNight all --
00:06.30dankolbWho was simon?
00:06.44forminpi
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00:06.51dankolbwb Tom
00:07.02resuDaedty dankolb
00:07.10resuDaedx just randomly crashed
00:07.17dankolbUse irssi
00:07.31resuDaedI'm using bitchx
00:07.41eye69Irssi 0.8.6.CVS (20021220) - http://irssi.org/
00:07.49resuDaedbut through aterm
00:08.23dankolbirssi is so much nicer than BitchX. Specially for multiple channels and servers
00:08.24resuDaedBitchX version BitchX-1.0c19 (20020325)
00:08.40resuDaedI'm willing to try it, console based?
00:08.49dankolbYup
00:08.59eye69I run 4 servers and 9 channels.
00:09.58resuDaednot available on apt-get
00:10.03murbresudead: does the cisco work?
00:10.07eye69apt-cache search irssi
00:10.09resuDaed(dodgy version conflicty thingie)
00:10.19eye69It's irssi-text or irssi-cvs
00:10.44resuDaedany differences, or is CVS just more recent?
00:10.48eye69irssi-snapshot even
00:10.53eye69More recent
00:10.56cupiseye69: irssi-snapshot, not irssi-cvs
00:11.17cupispaul@kippax:~$ apt-cache show irssi-snapshot | grep Main
00:11.21cupisMaintainer: David Pashley <david@davidpashley.com>
00:11.21cupisscary
00:11.34eye69Oh
00:11.43eye69You also want irssi-scripts
00:11.45murbyou clearly don't want to install that.
00:11.58resuDaedmurb : lol
00:12.08murbapt-get screw-up-my-machine
00:12.21murbsoory i mean apt-get install irssi-snapshot
00:12.22resuDaedmurb : ??
00:12.25cupismurb: Uploaded-by: Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
00:12.28eye69I currently use people, relm, kicks, mail, autoaway, chanact, away, usercount and loadavg scripts.
00:13.30resuDaedmy machine is already screwed up, I doubt a fscked version on irssi will do any more significant damage
00:13.38dankolbSays he, running ircii?
00:13.41murbdank: i didn't sa i was now.
00:13.48dankolbWell, crap clients...
00:13.49eye69Anyway, I'm off to bed. G'night everyone.
00:13.57resuDaednight eye69
00:14.01dankolbnight eye69
00:15.09resuDaedok dankolb , where do I start with irssi
00:15.19resuDaed(you're here, invalidates the HOWTO)
00:15.34dankolbRTFH :)
00:15.47dankolbActually, it's very useful
00:16.00resuDaedI cba, will put it on list of things to do, will make do with bitchx for time being
00:16.16dankolbOr I could send you my config
00:16.35resuDaeddankolb : you could, but I don't have email atm
00:16.48dankolbAh.
00:16.49resuDaedset up fetchmail/imap is also on that list of things to do
00:17.30cupisuh, DCC?
00:20.28formi<murb> apt-get screw-up-my-machine, please remind me of that next time we meet
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00:21.23cupisformi: huh?
00:22.02formicupis: hoh?
00:28.06formisleep, umm, sounds exotic and desirable at the same time.
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00:29.27resuDaedwhoa, I had completley forgotten how bad this ram was :-)
00:29.46resuDaed(attempting to run visualisation plugins with xmms)
00:30.30formiresuDaed: do you have the same brand of memory in your brain?
00:32.48resuDaedformi : yes, I have made in taiwan imprinted on the inside of my skull (iirc)
00:34.24formicould I have a peak?
00:35.42formiBBC1, boxing, they are preparing us for the carnage to come.
01:31.45formila liberte n'a pas de Prix
02:07.02formifor ibot to log: im flaming so much flame that i might flame myself
02:07.11formi.quit
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03:20.26*** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk [Next Full Meeting - 12-April-2003 (est)]
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08:54.40dank_fnordMorning
09:18.40dpashhi dank_work
09:32.41dpashanyone here?
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09:41.10dpashnope?
09:44.05simonYep, I'm here (kinda)
09:44.21dpashmy tory MP resigned from the shadow cabinet
09:44.23dpashw00t
09:44.32dpashhow likely was that
09:44.56simonHa, I thought it was just the Labour MPs quitting
09:45.11simonWas he a London MP?
09:45.18dpashnope. 15 tory MPs voted for the amendment
09:45.22dpashnope Mid Beds
09:46.07simonThats interesting though, maybe you'll have a by-election, or will they nominate a replacement
09:47.01dpashhas been the MP for a long time here
09:50.00dpashwhat program was sandi toksvig in?
09:50.56SpudUAway73
09:51.22dpashwith words and various meanings
09:51.33SpudUAwayThough that was a very long time ago, long enough for me to fancy her AND not realise she was a lesbian.
09:51.41SpudUAwayErr, wrong channel, err.
09:52.01SpudUAwayCall My Bluff, if you dare!#
09:52.07dpashw00t
09:52.16dpashthat was driving me made
09:52.21dpashs/de/d
09:53.46SpudUAwayThough that was far funnier, in the distant past, of a Monday evening with Robert Robinson, Frank  Muir and Patrick Campbell.
09:54.49dpashI used to come home after school to catch CMB, News, neighbours, Quincy
09:54.58dpashthose were the days
09:56.50SpudUAwayThen there was the other occasion when the whole of the BBC nearly got taken off air because of the, then much tighter, obscenity laws, when Patrick Campbell was introducing 'Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass'.
09:58.11SpudUAwayDo you remember Ramsey Street when Ramsey's actually lived there. Max Ramsey, what a character.
09:59.18dpashI remember the episode where one of them is in a nappy
10:01.02SpudUAwayHmm, with the help of drugs I suppose I could too.
10:02.39SpudUAwayWhat was CMB???
10:04.04dpashCall My Bluff
10:04.45dpashmmm the Debbie Martin
10:05.28SpudUAwayOh, sorry, CMB for me will always be a Monday evening thing.  Bob Holness will always be Bond too.
10:05.42dpashAlthough watching a episode on Uk Gold the other day, I may be wrong
10:06.09dpashBond? Casino Royale? or something else?
10:06.17dpashBob == Blockbusters
10:08.43SpudUAwayIIRC, 'I'll have a pee please Bob' was the first to play Bond, but it was on South African radio. Prolly was Casino Royale.
10:14.54dpashokay I thought radio migh have something to do with it
10:15.06dpashI don't recall Bob in Casino Royale
10:16.37SpudUAwaySeeing as talking of Casino Royale brings us nicely back to Herb Alpert, I think I'll go out for a walk.  Laters chaps and chapesses.
10:17.46dpashI think it is just me
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10:44.29Tarragon1957 Bob played the voice of James Bond in the South African radio version of MoonRaker.
10:50.04TarragonBit of a shock to see Dean leave the mailing list - Just for information we have 474 recipients of the mailing list, though that does include some people who have registered twice.
10:50.06dpashthere we go.
10:50.24dpashYeah
10:50.35dpashWe do seem to have a few people leave
10:50.46dpashany more thought on splitting the lists?
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10:52.43dank_workFoo
10:53.35Tarragonbar
10:53.55nasratbaz
10:55.45dpashTarragon: comments?
10:56.18TarragonThe list does have two splits AFAIK - LinuxCafe and Volunteers
10:56.34dpashbut they are not official?
10:57.00dank_work:)
10:57.25nasratare we talking about signal:noise?
10:57.39dpashyeah
10:57.54TarragonHmmm dodgy ground that. Nothing is official. As far as I know if anyone in group wants to do something they can. So they are as official as anything else.
10:58.10dpashTarragon: I meant with the gllug name attached
10:59.06dank_workLinuxCafe is official. It even has an IRC channel :)
10:59.13dank_workHow much more official can you get?
10:59.54nasratthing is gllug is a charterless group, and part of the reason it's so busy is historic (especially when meetings were less frequant)
10:59.55dpashdank_work: but is it gllug-linuxcafe@gllug.lug.org.uk?
11:00.29dpashnasrat: so are the other lugs I know (charterless group)
11:00.44TarragonI don't think we could ever stop that. I know highbury did not like the #gllugbar channel and Jenson changed it to #morcanna for chat - although that seems to have now died. #gllugbar does still exist but no one ever visits.
11:01.30nasratdpash: yeah true, I quite like the list I think it's just going through a patch.  It was the same a few months after I joined many moons ago
11:02.07TarragonSignal:noise is a recurring theme every couple of months. Depends whether you are interested in topic or not.
11:02.46dpashTarragon: but it may be useful to have a list that is purely linux help and keep discussions on a separate list
11:02.52nasratyeah although there seem to be lots more ppl lacking google skills
11:03.06dpashso people who only want help are not scared off by flames
11:03.36dpashnasrat: google doesn;t have the answers for everything
11:04.56dpashbesides "help" "FOAD - See google" isn;t very friendly
11:05.09dpashdamn this ; key
11:08.00Huhnmoin
11:08.02nasratproblem is I like the more technical discussions, but I also occasionally help ppl.  So I'd end up subscribed to both groups.  It doesn't allow for what may be thought to be a simple issue to digress into more techincal discussion
11:08.21dank_workhi Huhn
11:08.28Huhnhi dank_work
11:08.37TarragonIf enough (actually I am not sure if 1 is enough) wanted a separate list then yes we would. Who gets to say if something is OT and should be moved? Would this mean moderating the list. Today I think I have killed about 30 spams from the list, highbury, SpudUAway and Hamster all do the same. Moderating would add to the workload
11:14.04TarragonI wouldn't mind if I was competent at something. Most of the time I feel like a charlatan. I managed to put up the photos but failed to write the front page for it explaining how to use IRC clients.
11:15.49TarragonEvery time I ask something on the mailing list it tends to twist off on some obscure path. I asked about fitting a camera to a car. I only wanted to know where to put it and what hardware i needed. Now it is in the realmes[C[C of insurance liability.
11:16.47dpashTarragon: you probably won;t have the problem of saying what is on-topic and what is off topic as people will (hopefully) move it to the other list
11:17.01dpashand people will hopefulyl choose the right list to start with
11:23.04highburymorning
11:25.22nasratdpash: hmm, unconvinced still
11:29.22TarragonJust remembered the other unofficial list - "The UsualSuspects" list which is gllug members
11:34.03TarragonThe UsualSuspects list is for Gllug friends to arrange a midweek curry. AFAIK it is a request list. As I am a little far away I obviously do not take the list
11:34.42dank_workHmm. Curry.
11:35.04TarragonVolunteers list is for those Gllug members who are willing to give up time to help NGOs (Non Governmental Organisations) install and use Linux
11:35.33TarragonLinux Cafe list has the idea of forming a Linux cyber cafe in London
11:35.40dank_workWhat about QUANGOs?
11:36.11TarragonThat would be the gllugadmin list
11:36.44dank_work:)
11:36.55nasratnone of those are really conflicting with the gllug list though.
11:36.58highburylinuxcafe list has had no postings since 30 Jan
11:36.58dank_workgllugcabal
11:37.06nasratdank_work: that's irc isn't it
11:37.21highburyactually #gllugadmin
11:37.37highburyor gllugadmin@linux.co.uk
11:37.43TarragonNo Kabal list is done by sat link over microwave
11:37.45dank_work:)
11:38.20highburyboth are open, though a certain Galician friend sometimes, rants irrelevantly on it :-)
11:38.36dank_work:)
11:46.46dank_workibot insult Mozilla
11:46.59nasratlol
11:47.23dpashcan't say I disagree
11:47.36dank_workIt crashed on me. AGAIN.
11:47.56highburygotta pop out for an hour
11:48.23dank_workAnd I'm not wanting to compile up half of the KDE system
11:50.30nasratdank_work: go on it'll keep you occupied :)
11:50.51dank_workBah :-P
11:50.58dank_workActually, it won't keep *me* occupied
11:51.09nasratdank_work: hand compile and link it
11:51.14dank_workAll I do is 'cd /usr/ports/www/konqueror ; make install' (or whatever is appropriate)
11:53.09dpashdank_work: apt-get install kkonqueror
11:53.31dank_workibot lart dpash
11:57.44dank_workibot slashdot
12:35.22dank_workBWAH
12:35.28dank_work<PROTECTED>
12:35.29dank_work<PROTECTED>
12:35.39dank_workSomething's b0rk3d
12:37.48dpashdank_work: if I get 338ms ping times I know somethign is wrong
12:37.58dpashlike the sateliite is falling out of the sky
12:37.59dank_workYeah
12:38.00dank_work:)
12:38.43dank_workI normally get 150ms ping times from work/home to this server (it's in the US)
12:39.41dpashI get 600-700ms just leaving my network
12:41.36dank_work:(
12:44.51dpashopened except he has already left
12:44.56dpashbugger
12:45.12dpashjust logged back in and closed the notepad I had opened
12:46.03dank_workHeh
12:48.40dank_workWho is IH-beta?
12:50.33dpash[12:31] -!- IH-beta is IRC Search Engine - http://isohunt.com
12:53.19dank_workAh :)
12:56.15dank_workre
12:56.24Huhnre
13:05.09Clyphox_workworking sucks
13:06.15dank_workso does not working
13:06.31Clyphox_workNever tried it
13:06.41dpashhow about being paid for not working?
13:07.18Clyphox_workI need a job :(
13:07.19dpashitv talking about hard down thrust
13:07.23Clyphox_workI think I'm going to try something with nothing to do with IT
13:07.41dpashClyphox_work: protituion?
13:07.48dpashadd some s's
13:07.51Clyphox_worknah.. not enough pay.. tried it
13:23.42dank_workMoney for tech and beer?
13:31.48dank_workActually, hate is too strong
13:31.55dank_workGives me an excuse to sit and IRC
14:33.45highburywell there's always mini-cabbing....
14:38.57dank_work:)
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14:49.47dank_workhi Leeds
14:50.56highburyerr. should I be able to lookup www.slackware.org? I'm having some weird lookup problems
14:51.13dank_workTry slackware.co
14:51.15dank_work*com
14:52.04highburyuh, ok, thanks. Didn't there used to a slackware.org?
14:52.07Leedsslackware.com
14:52.28Leedsmaybe there was... but it's been slackware.com for as long as I remember
14:52.32dank_workyeh
14:53.17Leedsftp.slackware.com is pretty full... and there weren't any ISOs there when I went to look this morning.
14:53.33dank_work9 hasn't been released yet, according to the website
14:54.04LeedsI thought current had been branded 9?
14:54.06highburyI saw an announcement yesterday
14:54.20LeedsI saw it last night
14:54.23dank_workhm
14:54.33highburyhmmm. now www.distrowatch.com is down :-(
14:55.05nasrathighbury: mirror.ac.uk slackware seems v. slow too
14:55.36Leedsmirror.ac.uk wasn't up-to-date this morning... I'd wait a day or two for mirrors to catch up
14:56.20Leedshighbury: slackware.org seems to be owned by linuxmafia (who are now linuxpackages.net) which is a third-party Slackware package site
14:57.20highburythat sight is always slow :-(
14:57.21nasratLeeds: well old is a symlink to 8.1 and slackware-current has README90.TXT
14:58.15nasratno isos though
14:58.24Leedshighbury: I'm getting between 80 and 105 kilobytes/sec from mirror.ac.uk right now - downloading 8.1 :-)
14:58.50nasratrsync ?
14:59.12Leedshttp
14:59.58highburysorry, slow to sync with master sites
15:00.31Leedsoh, right
15:04.24nasratyeah but it's a local mirror for local ppl
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15:27.31cup?
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15:28.02jensonhey yall
15:28.16murbT
15:28.19TarragonShhhh we are asleep
15:30.12dank_workWho dares wake the sleeping documentation writer?
15:30.23jensonhey Dan
15:30.45TarragonIt was them, it was them, not me it was them
15:31.08Huhnchrrrrr
15:31.24TarragonHer It was Her! Huhn it was
15:31.32HuhnzzzZZZZ
15:31.43jensonlol yeh dank_work
15:41.42dank_workHuhn: Sleepy?
15:42.09Huhndank_work: dreaming :)
15:42.40dank_workWell, if you get any of those next week, the skiing won't be too good :)
15:42.56Huhn:))
15:43.12dank_workGeekski in Canada next year :)
15:43.23Huhngood plan
15:43.35Huhnbut I will never ever organise it again ;))
15:44.00dank_workHeh
15:44.03dank_workToo much effort? :)
15:44.43Huhnif you want to do it, be prepared that ppl will change their plans so many times that you will be completely lost in mailing list archives
15:44.50dank_work:)
15:50.58highburynasrat: but it could do with syncing more frquently, I actually do most downloading from ftp.leo.org which is *slightly* more upt to date, and a hell of a lot faster
15:51.14highburyalso Just found slackware 9.0 ftp location, ftp://ftp.kpn.be/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-9.0/
15:51.29dank_work:)
16:23.49dank_workHeh
16:24.01dank_workYou're not at home, though, are you?
16:24.20jensonnope
16:24.28jensonbut she like to call me on my mobile anyway
16:24.30dank_workSo where else should she phone?
16:24.38dank_workOnly because you're using the phone line most of the time
16:24.47jensonshe thinks my dad dopesnt like her calling
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16:26.04dank_workwb
16:26.46jensonre
16:27.25murbi want to go shopping for ski stuf!
16:27.35dank_workGet it in Austria
16:27.51murbreally?
16:28.15dank_workProbably cheaper and better
16:29.17TarragonHardsell not hard cash ?
16:29.40jensoni gotta move
16:29.45jensonits parent kid computer club
16:29.51dank_workHeh.
16:29.52dank_workWhat fun.
16:29.56jensonheh
16:29.58dank_workIsn't your mother there, though?
16:30.28jensonyeh lol
16:30.29dank_workSo parent/kid is appropriate.
16:30.36jensonlol
16:30.38jensonbye all
16:30.51murbTarragon: euros so no.
16:31.26TarragonThose cheap looking beer tokens
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16:32.30dank_workmurb: You've forgotten to remind me about the money I owe you
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16:38.11formiibot: seen pdr?
16:38.11pdr is currently on #gllug
16:38.29formiibot: seen pdr idle ?
16:38.29i haven't seen 'pdr idle ', formi
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16:40.53murbdank: i wanted you to turn up to the pub!
16:40.55dpashhi all
16:40.56murbhi zimm
16:40.58dpashmy fingers hurt
16:41.00zimmhey murb
16:41.19formihello
16:41.22dank_workmurb: I did turn up to the pub :)
16:41.26dpashbeen trying to remove a PSU and the ATX connector didn;t want to come off
16:41.40dank_workYou should have reminded me at the pub. Even though I didn't have enough money on me
16:42.01Tarragonibot pdr?
16:42.02Tarragon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
16:42.11formi28 hours idle
16:42.26murbdank: but that would have just been rude
16:42.46dank_workmurb: If I'm not reminded, I tend to forget until after the event in question
16:42.54dank_workRemind me tomorrow :)
16:44.49dpashibot: pdr is not trustworthy when it comes to beer
16:44.50dpash: okay
16:45.06zimmlol
16:46.02formidpash: ask murble, he bought beer, and pdr and me drank it, murble wasn't very happy about that
16:47.54dpashformi: I point you to http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Saturday/img_0065.html
16:48.00dpashthat was pdr's fault
16:50.14formiyou look like a flamming vampire
16:50.20zimmhehehe
16:51.53formidpash: the face is yours, sadly :-), so don't blame pdr
16:54.19dpashformi: it is pdr's advice with resulted me being in that state. There is a photo somewhere of me being asleep
16:55.45formiim not gay, so you shouldn't be offended :->
16:57.03formii even refuse to be straight
16:57.21zimmformi: lol
16:57.38dpashor "you got lumbered with your face. haha" ;)
16:57.52formii prefer "mentally twisted and half insane"
16:57.56dank_workLumbered with your face? Yeah, if a tree smashes into it
16:58.01zimmformi: sounds good
17:01.56highburyanybody got any of the latest O'reilly Book Collection CD's
17:03.06forminot mua
17:07.21dank_workWhat does channel mode +c mean?
17:08.04Leeds"color filter"
17:08.23dank_workAh
17:08.36dank_workSo strips out coloured crap?
17:09.00LeedsI assume so
17:09.05dank_workOkay
17:14.35pdrdpash: you make your own decisions.
17:15.16dpashpdr: okay maybe I was to blame for the second bottle ;)
17:15.57pdr:)
17:26.53zimmalcohol is evil ..
17:27.22formizimm: never seen alcohol with horns
17:27.31zimmdoesnt need 'em ..
17:27.36zimmits just evil anyway
17:27.40forminope
17:28.01formiand i spend 2 hours yesterday in a anonymous alcoholics meeting
17:28.29zimmahhhh , beer gardens ,,,
17:29.55zimm:)
17:30.11forminasrat: did you get my email on monday?
17:30.28nasratformi: not that I saw was it private or onlist?
17:30.51formii only abuse people publicly
17:30.57zimmlmao
17:31.16forminasrat: it had info about the pub where we endend up
17:31.18nasratoh yeah sorry I ended up feeling a bit crap and went home early
17:31.24nasratI did see it but then forgot
17:31.41formiwe did felt crap as well, but the following morning
17:31.57zimmok , the beer must be wearing off , win2k is looking all manky again ,
17:32.24dpashzimm: you know where to find it
17:32.40zimmyeh , but i aint installing it from floppies !
17:32.47zimmand i aint got a connection at home
17:33.29zimmlol
17:33.30zimm]
17:34.03dpashdcc?
17:34.31zimmdude ,,, there isnt even a phone line attached to my house !
17:34.42zimmmy PC is in like total "net quarantine"
17:35.20nasratzimm: air gap?
17:38.39zimmhehe
17:43.19nasratstudy by a process of elimination - take all the nature's which aren't human and then ...
17:43.34zimm:)
17:47.45nasratpub calls
17:47.51dank_workcya
17:47.53nasratsee you all later
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18:00.35Jensonheya guys
18:00.40Huhnhi Jenson
18:00.44Jensonhey Huhn
18:00.45zimmhaya Jenson
18:00.49Jensonheya zimm
18:00.52Huhnhi zimm
18:00.56zimmhi Huhn
18:01.00zimmhows things ?
18:01.17Huhnfine, thanks, we've just started a party at my place ;)
18:01.30Huhnmy geek friends and me define: it's summer
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18:01.45ondemhiya! I am re-reading the kernel howto after doing my first kernel compile a couple of weeks ago. It seems I have apply a patch to 2.4.20 but for the life of me I can not find the patch on the kernel mirrors
18:02.00ondemthe patch should have a March 2003 date but all the kernel related files I found have 2002 dates
18:02.12zimmHuhn: we agree ,,  spent all day in a beer garden next to the thames .. ! :)
18:02.16JensonHuhn: It's summer if you say so :P
18:02.26dank_workondem: What patch?
18:02.30Jensonzimm: You said you went to lectures
18:02.37ondemit is not summer but still the winter of discontent!
18:02.39zimmJenson: i did , this morning ..
18:02.40Huhnzimm: spent the afternoon on the balcony, sitting in the sun, drinking beer ;)
18:02.45ondemwww.linuxtoday.com/security/2003031800126SCKNSW
18:02.46zimmHuhn: :)
18:03.00zimmJenson:  the day dont start till 12 ..
18:03.00JensonI went in the wine/coffee bar for a little while, but i didnt drink
18:03.52dank_workondem: Go to the 'printer friendly' version, and copy/paste the patch into a file
18:04.04Jensonheya Dan
18:04.09dank_work'lo
18:04.48Jensondank_work: You still at work?
18:04.53dank_workyeh
18:04.58dank_workWaiting for a friend to turn up
18:05.13Jensonoh, you going to the pub?
18:05.45ondemcopy and paste that patch text to a file, and then use 'patch -p1 < file.txt' from my 2.4.20 kernel directory to apply it??
18:05.52dank_workPretty much
18:05.56dank_workshould be.
18:06.01dank_workBloody unreliable people
18:06.41ondemis the *latest* patch the only patch i need to apply to 2.4.20? will that be enough or do i have to apply more patches before applying the latest one?
18:07.25dank_workPatches are not necessarily cumulative
18:08.43ondemso in the end all i need to do is apply *only* the latest patch?
18:09.16Jensonondem: Apply the patch, and see if it works
18:11.43dank_workPatches are not cumulative
18:12.24dank_workYou could just as well be following an -ac tree instead of the Linus tree
18:12.37ondemJenson: are you using a 2.4.20 kernel you compiled yourself and then applied the latest patch only? "see if it works" does not give me much reasurrance
18:12.57Jensonondem: Nope, I'm using 2.4.18 and I didnt compile it myself
18:12.58dank_workBut 'see if it works' is standard Linux methodology
18:13.03Jensonty dank_work
18:13.59ondemPatches are not cumulative is something the Kernel Howto does not mention.
18:14.10dank_workPatches tend to be independent of each other
18:14.16zimmthe kernel how-to is very old
18:14.18dank_workLinux documentation is, TBH, shit.
18:14.38dank_workRead it. Laugh at it. Then ignore it, and ask someone else.
18:14.52Jensonlike you dank_work
18:15.00dank_workI don't need to ask.
18:15.10Jensondont ask zimm he'll get distracted and do it wrong :P
18:15.16dank_workProbably.
18:15.19zimmoh , thanx j
18:15.23Jensonlol dank_work I meant ask you lol
18:15.27Jensonyw mate
18:15.45ondemso what is the point of reading the Kernel Howto and linux documentation that confuses newbies like me?
18:15.58dank_workSo consultants can get lots of money.
18:16.07dank_workEither that, or us geeks need people to talk to :)
18:16.15Jensondank_work: I'd go with the second
18:16.22dank_workYeah
18:17.00ondemconsultants? i can not afford them. i have a 3 PC network at home
18:18.50Jensondank_work: You're obsessed with the BSDs
18:18.58dank_workBecause they are, at least, good.
18:19.21JensonMaybe I'll get around to installing FreeBSD on my Debian partition tonight
18:19.27dank_workGood idea.
18:19.27Jensoneither that or make it a filestore
18:19.39JensonBBS - Dad needs phone
18:20.41dank_workBye
18:21.20zimmlaters dank_work
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18:27.09zimmwb Jenson
18:27.13JensonPizza will be ready in a minute :D
18:27.15Jensonty zimm
18:27.19zimmpizza ?
18:27.23zimmfunky
18:27.30Jensonyou wanna come share zimm?
18:28.53Jensonis dank_work still here, or has he gone now?
18:29.26formichao
18:29.29JensonSeeya formi, goodnight
18:35.55JensonBe back after dinner
18:37.11zimmlaters all
18:41.27highburyany web table experts out there?
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19:44.53highburywell that sure drove everybody away!
19:45.27Jensonlol
19:46.24TarragonNah most would be early eater
19:47.08TarragonTables are a pain. I can never get the justification sorted out.
19:49.13highburyyeah, trying to get the gllug logo to stay at the bottom of page, and text to float to the top
20:09.10Jensonlater guys
20:24.46highburygotto reboot,back in an hour or so
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20:41.23marko85_ukhey gllugers
20:41.24marko85_uk:)
20:50.15pdrhighbury: don't use tables
20:50.26pdroh, he's not here
21:09.27murbuse chairs.
21:22.30pdrstools
21:23.10pdror even floor()
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22:03.58murbfloor can be cold, and in a pub wet.
22:04.53pdrceil() then
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22:05.13HuhnPARTYkitchen floor can be cold too ;)
22:05.19HuhnPARTYwb Jenson
22:05.22Jensonty
22:05.29Jensonkitchen floor is cold for what HuhnPARTY?
22:05.49HuhnPARTYpdr: I just know ;)
22:07.03JensonHuhnPARTY: I take it that it's a geek party, as you are still here :P
22:07.14HuhnPARTYJenson: true ;)
22:07.22Jensonheh
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22:07.31Jensonhiya Davilion
22:07.35HuhnPARTYhi Davilion
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22:07.41Jensonhi marko85_uk
22:07.49marko85_ukhey Jenson
22:07.56marko85_ukhow are u today
22:08.00Jensonaright
22:08.05Jensonalright even
22:08.13Jensongoing to bed in a few mins coz i'm sleepy
22:08.17Jensonhow are you marko85_uk
22:08.21marko85_ukhehe awww me too
22:08.24marko85_uki went out last night
22:08.35marko85_ukso i am recovering
22:08.43marko85_uki went for a meal which i really hated
22:08.44Jensoni'm just sleepy lol
22:08.47Davilionhi guys
22:08.52Davilionhows it going?
22:08.59Jensonalright dave. you?
22:09.06marko85_uki had chicken korma or something like that it was so shit
22:09.16Davilionim not so good thanks.
22:09.19Jensonlol marko85_uk don't think about it then
22:09.27Jensonawww Davilion, what's wrong?
22:09.33marko85_ukawwww sup bro
22:09.36marko85_ukis it women?
22:09.45Jensonmarko85_uk: is everything women?
22:10.05Jensonkind of a woman...right
22:10.17marko85_uk90% of the time it is
22:10.19marko85_uk:)
22:10.23Jensontrue
22:10.28marko85_uknot really i love girls they are really sweet
22:10.40marko85_ukjenson i am joking my best friend is a girl
22:10.44marko85_uk:)
22:10.44Davilionjust not been a good day, burried my grandad today, and i just reset a machine with a 300 day uptime before i checked what the real problem was, my car is falling to bits, and it doesnt look like i have much more than a snowball in hells chance of getting Sam to fall for me
22:10.58Davilionbut other than that things are ok.
22:11.14Jensonawww
22:11.15marko85_ukawwwwww dude look on the bright side
22:11.21marko85_ukit can only get better from now on
22:11.24Davilionyeah.
22:11.26LeedsDavilion: :-(
22:11.30Jensonheya Leeds
22:11.41DavilionI really hate funerals.
22:11.42Leedshey Jenson
22:11.47Davilionhi Leeds
22:11.52marko85_ukLeedssss
22:11.52marko85_uk:)
22:11.57Leedsguys
22:12.08JensonDavilion: I think everyone hates funerals
22:12.34Jensonlol
22:12.51JensonDavilion: Least we're still here (wait, is that a good things?)
22:13.00Jensons/things/thing
22:13.09Davilion:)
22:13.17marko85_ukI been arrested by L.A.P.D today
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22:14.21DavilionLAPD?
22:14.32Jensonlol he's weird
22:14.57Jensonwhat does the t stand for in 'bbiat'?
22:15.04marko85_ukhehe sorry i been watching ali g film again
22:15.05marko85_uk:)
22:15.19marko85_ukJenson is wearing blue lets stub her hehe
22:15.36JensonI'm not wearing blue, Leeds is
22:15.47marko85_uklets stub her anyway
22:15.49marko85_uklol heheh
22:15.58JensonDavilion: Maybe you should get some sleep hon?
22:16.30Jensoni will lol
22:18.19Leedsnope... wearing grey today... blue yesterday
22:18.36LeedsJenson: it's "be back in a tick"
22:18.50Jensonoh right
22:18.52Jensonty
22:18.53Jensonlol
22:26.27JensonTime for bed
22:26.31JensonGoodnight guys
22:26.43JensonSeeya tomorrow sometime
22:26.43JensonWell, maybe not
22:26.45JensonWe'll see
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22:27.04Jensonhey formi
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22:27.21marko85_ukformi my buddy
22:27.21marko85_uk:)
22:29.33formihi marko
22:30.42formipdr !!
22:30.46HuhnPARTYtoo late, formi :)
22:30.46pdrformi!
22:30.52HuhnPARTYhi formi (btw ;))
22:30.56formiwhat have i missed?
22:31.02HuhnPARTYnothing important
22:31.26formimeu, prodia axudar con wwwoffle?
22:31.43formivose e culpable
22:31.49pdrqual tipo de axudar?
22:31.50HuhnPARTYwe're having a geek party here, asking questions like: why do all women on the internet have .jpg as last name :)
22:32.00pdrlol
22:32.02HuhnPARTYvery stupid geek party ;)
22:32.18formiHuhnPARTY: women like to be looked up
22:32.37formis/up/to
22:32.55formipdr, privado
22:33.39HuhnPARTYformi: if you say so ;)
22:34.39formicome on
22:34.45formiat least admit it
22:35.50HuhnPARTYwhy should I? :)
22:36.00murbHuhnPartY.jpg: you should kjnow that . isn't valind in an irc nick.
22:36.03HuhnPARTYI can only speak for myself and not make general assumptions
22:36.23HuhnPARTYmurb: I'll kill you on Sunday, wait til you have your first skiing lesson ;))
22:37.08murbmaybe i should stay home.
22:37.18HuhnPARTYmaybe you shouldn't ;)
22:37.25HuhnPARTYI want my revenge!
22:37.35murbI wonder if i'm insurced against evil ski teachers.
22:38.03HuhnPARTYprobably not, you can try and bribe them.. (hint: beer does the trick)+
22:38.31murbHuhn: well i know there is a frdige in elly and casle full of cans of guinness.
22:38.49murboh and horrible grosh(sp?)
22:38.55HuhnPARTYgrosh?
22:39.06HuhnPARTYyou mean Grolsch? like in Dutch beer?
22:39.26HuhnPARTYLeeds: is she nice? :)
22:39.45formiHuhnPARTY: pdr and me had a drunken long chat about the spelling of grolsch
22:40.00HuhnPARTYformi: spelling is not the prob, try to pronounce it ;))
22:40.06formithe off license attendant didn't like it
22:40.13LeedsHuhnPARTY: she's either a beer or my dead grandma...
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22:40.20HuhnPARTYformi: it's nice beer..
22:40.22HuhnPARTYwb dankolb
22:40.37formiit sounds really easy, grolsch, see i said it with no problem
22:41.14HuhnPARTYyou need a bit more of "chhhhrrr" at the beginning of the word;)
22:41.22dankolbHi
22:41.56HuhnPARTYhow's it going, Dan?
22:42.21pdrmurb: where's this guiness house in e&c?
22:43.24murbpdr: in a tiny flat just oppsoite ely&casle tube in a big building near the wibblyspoons pub
22:44.14dankolbIt's going quite well.
22:44.19dankolbJust got back from pub, and had a shower
22:44.27pdrmurb: meet you there in 15mins
22:44.35Leedsdankolb: I thought you smelled nice...
22:44.49murbdrink(...) {....return ENOBEER; }
22:45.02HuhnPARTYlots of beer here... maybe that's prob
22:45.31dankolb:)
22:45.35dankolbThanks :)
22:45.45pdrhmm... i can't find the beer outlet on my lappy
22:46.06formimurb: syntatic error
22:46.10murbpdr: i don't think i'll get their in that number of minutes.
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22:46.24murband no i'm not paying 200 quid a week to live in zone 1.
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22:46.45formisome ppl pay 50 a week in nw5
22:46.46ompheevening all
22:47.26formihi omphe
22:48.55omphetensions seem high in the mailing list these days.
22:49.02pdrmurb: i have a room @100
22:49.26pdromphe: haven't noticed
22:50.50murbLeeds: well a morgage isn't the same as throwing away money in rent.
22:51.09Leedsmurb: exactly my point :-)
22:51.42ompheno, a mortgage means you get to pay when your fridge dies. :(
22:52.06Leedsfridge was thrown in with the flat and it's still working...
22:52.12murbomphe: i don't think i'd ever rent a furished flat.
22:52.22formiomphe: and you have a big stone hanging of your neck
22:52.36ompheanyone want to come around for some mushy ice cream and "aged" milk?
22:52.44omphefridge packed up last night.
22:52.49formimurb: furished, not me also
22:52.53murbpdr: how much rent do you pay?
22:53.06ompheformi: one man's stone is anothers treasure chest
22:54.04Leedsomphe: exactly
22:54.51formimy point is that you need a relative large ammount of money, just in case you stop being paid for a long time
22:54.58omphebesides, I could never afford to rent a two bedroom split level flat
22:55.18ompheformi:   good point.  Luckily my other half is employed well these days.
22:55.33HuhnPARTYnn murb
22:55.42formimurb: is not worth it
22:56.02pdrmurb: total?
23:00.33dankolbnn murb
23:02.42pdr2 hours to go
23:04.37Leedspdr: counting down? :-)
23:08.43formipdr, you are 12+ years behind
23:09.18Leedshey, the bastard invaded Kuwait on my birthday - I've never forgiven him...
23:10.03formiLeeds: i fail to see a connection there,
23:11.09murbLeeds: and the liberatino started on my sisters birthday.
23:13.42pdrworld peace will start on pdr's birthday.
23:14.07Leedsit'd be a nice gift...
23:15.11formipdr: do you mean the end of humanity?
23:15.17murbLeeds: not if peace arrives after someone, Bush? has pressed the big red button.
23:15.18pdrbut obviously world peace can only be achieved by attacking nations that have weapons
23:16.03murbpdr: I think the existance of humans is incompatible with peace
23:16.09pdrso i hope that the UK will next aim their guns at the USA and their trecherous leader
23:16.26murbI'm sure franch and germany will help :)
23:16.43formii would join the fun
23:16.44murbpdr: but only to help with the liberation.
23:17.07pdri'll start by arresting Blair for war crimes
23:17.09formibut as usually the guilty people are well "bunkered"
23:17.27formipdr: fat chance
23:17.43formipdr: they didn't manage to get Pinochet
23:17.52pdri've heard his army is loyal to him, but if i put out enough propoganda, maybe they will turn
23:19.04formiswinging the opinion of most us citizens should be easy, as they lack own minds
23:19.16murbpdr: I thought they were supposed to be loyal to the crown, not the PM!
23:19.35pdrmurb: interesting
23:19.49pdrwhat has the queen said about the pending attack?
23:19.58Leedspdr: nothing, AFAIK
23:20.20pdrformi: swinging your opinion is easy.  Just say the opposite.
23:21.15formipdr: at least i can work out what is the "opposite"
23:21.36pdrsurely the queen has to be against it considering she is head of the C of E
23:21.39murbi suspect they  might have a tiny recruitment problem.
23:21.47pdrlol
23:22.02murbpdr: she is also commander in chief.
23:22.19formipdr: queen lives in a world of their own, just ask her staff about wages
23:22.25murbbut the queen is equiv of chancellor or a uni.,
23:22.31formis/their/her
23:22.56murbshe survives by grace of parliment.
23:23.25pdrdon't know about their wages though
23:23.50formipdr: if i were english i would mention prison services
23:24.08pdrmurb: to get rid of her would require popular opinion which i don't think is there
23:24.19pdrformi: ?
23:24.25formipdr: or your past folks being on the other side
23:25.41formipdr: the french were eficient, guillotine, I gues they would be glad to dig one from a museum to lend to the uk
23:25.42pdrtake http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/19/1047749827600.html for example
23:26.28formipdr: i fail to see why people are proud of the places they were borne in, as they had no choice on the matter
23:27.13pdrformi: whether i was born there or not, i'm proud to belong to a culture that subscribes to certain values
23:28.11formipdr: that is certainly different
23:28.16pdrindeed
23:29.00formivaia, vaia
23:29.50pdrMy favourite quote: One demonstrator brought a big box of doughnuts, which were shared with the cops.
23:31.36formipdr: that is what they do in the us, 60% of cops are overweight,
23:32.03formipdr: so you have a higher chance of running and leaving them behind
23:36.53murbno you want thebunker.net for alqudigital hosting.
23:39.57pdroh, and amsterdam
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23:47.19formiistanbul? interesting idea
23:49.01formionly one problem
23:49.19formimassive earthquake will happen soon
23:50.01formipdr: you might end up with backed up but shaken data
23:52.39murba fellow auian?
23:57.13formimurb: on tuesday morning my landlord pointed out you seemed to be scared to go and seat in the front room

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