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00:00.45pdr1 hour
00:00.59pdrmurb: yes, although he married a turk last week
00:01.41formipdr: italian housemate previous boyfriend was form istanbul
00:03.24pdra guy from istanbul was to move into my place, but he was murdered at home
00:06.26murbin turkey?
00:06.57murbpdr: does that make him an honarary wannabee member of the EU?
00:08.02formimurb: NOPE, there are many people in the eu completely against turkey entering the group
00:08.55*** join/#gllug resuDaed (tom@pc-80-193-187-194-en.blueyonder.co.uk)
00:09.00murbhi tom
00:09.10formithat is one of the reason turkey didn't allow highly paid for warmongering to the us
00:09.23dankolb_hi Tom
00:09.50formiallo
00:10.00resuDaedmorning all
00:10.13pdrmurb: yes, in turkey.
00:10.37pdrmurb: I'm not sure of what country(ies) he had a passport
00:11.09pdrhi resuDaed
00:12.53resuDaedam going to bed now, night all
00:13.00dankolb_'night
00:13.03pdrnight
00:13.13resuDaeddankolb_ : see you on saturday
00:13.21dankolb_You do
00:13.32dankolb_That's another few days away
00:25.30dankolb_night all
00:56.26pdrsaturday?
00:56.31formiwhat it shouldn't be happening
00:57.59formipdr: i have checked my mate site at the charity with ie 6 and it is rendered perfectly
00:59.26eye6917 iraqi soldiers reported to have surrendered
01:00.17pdreye69: i reckon it's not true - just a psycological tactic
01:01.56formisuch a big number is such an achievement
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01:04.34pdrhello
01:16.48murbGPS is still working.
01:22.35HuhnZzZnn
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01:22.54formihight HuhnZzZ
01:23.10HuhnZzZnn formi
01:23.30formis/hight/night
01:24.39pdrlooks like nothing's gonna happen tonight
01:36.53forminight
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07:38.10Clyphox<PROTECTED>
08:08.52TarragonHappy Birthday Clyphox_a !
09:01.03dank_workMorning
09:09.02TarragonMoin
09:09.59dpashshit's hit the fan
09:10.06dpashsee you all Saturday
09:10.17dank_workWhat happened?
09:10.27TarragonWar
09:10.32dank_workWell, yeah.
09:10.36dpashibot: lart dank_work
09:10.49dank_workApart from that.
09:11.28dpashwhat you want more?
09:11.43dank_work"I vant everything"
09:40.47dank_workAre you a bearded 'terrorist'?
09:42.06dank_workExactly
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10:06.08*** join/#gllug cup (~cup@host213-120-127-23.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
10:06.16cupmorning
10:06.21dank_workmorning simon, cup
10:13.36simonMorning to you too...
10:13.43dpash/. unbiased news is interesting
10:13.59dpashsomeone seems to think the british are cool and polite
10:15.29simonWhere is that??
10:16.29dank_workWoot. NetBSD is 10 tomorrow
10:18.05murbwhilst openbsd has always behaved like a spoilt teenager?
10:19.04dank_workOnly some of it :)
10:19.44murbwhich pub?
10:20.50dank_workTonight?
10:42.43*** join/#gllug nasrat (~paul@212.134.218.3)
10:43.05dank_workhi paul
10:43.09nasrathi
10:49.18dpashargh customer is not getting any emails
10:49.31dpashhave tested use smtp and the servers work
10:49.36dpashso it aint our fault
10:57.45dpashwb
10:58.00HuhnZmoin
11:20.56dank_workmoin
11:21.17HuhnZhi dank_work
11:24.15dpashHuhnZ: are you just slightly sleepy then?
11:24.25dpashnot entirely away
11:24.28dpashawake
11:25.15HuhnZyes, half awake, half asleep
11:26.13dank_workSort of like a >
11:26.42dpashor <
11:26.45dank_workMaybe:
11:26.46dank_work_
11:26.48Tarragon7 would be 3/4 of a Z
11:26.48dank_work<PROTECTED>
11:26.51dank_workUrg
11:26.56dank_work<PROTECTED>
11:26.56dank_work<PROTECTED>
11:27.07dank_workThat's about half a Z
11:27.20dpashHuhnZ7 then
11:27.22HuhnZmhmh...chrr
11:27.39dpashmaybe Huhn7z would be nearer 1/2
11:28.46HuhnZdpash: thanks... *cuddletux*
11:33.00dpashawwww how cute ;)
11:36.08HuhnZchrr
11:39.45dpashchrr?
11:40.02dank_workchrr
11:40.06dank_workCHR$()
11:40.26pdrdank_work: asc()
11:40.39dank_workThat too :)
11:40.52pdrit's been about 10 years since i did any basic
11:41.08murb!ibot lart BASIC
11:41.15dank_workibot lart BASIC
11:53.35dpashokay I fscked up. I thought our client has smtp feed, but they were using fetchmail and fetchmail had died
11:53.39dpashso it was our fault
11:53.50dank_workAh
11:57.29*** join/#gllug formi (~formi@usr111-har.blueyonder.co.uk)
11:57.46dank_workhi formi
11:57.54formihello
11:58.16dank_workfeeling lucky, punk?
11:58.21forminope
11:58.41formii did drop a heavy bood on my wireless card
11:58.50formiit was quite bend
11:59.04formiafter straighten it
11:59.08formiit works
11:59.18formis/bood/book
11:59.50dank_work:)
12:06.54*** join/#gllug SpyPigeon (~x@dsl-212-135-209-195.dsl.easynet.co.uk)
12:08.26dank_workhi SpyPigeon
12:14.29dpashSpyPigeon: you are in Luton?
12:18.28SpyPigeonWhat now? Or generally?
12:18.35dpashgenerally
12:18.40SpyPigeonyep
12:18.51dpashdo you fancy coming to Bedslug?
12:19.07SpyPigeonWhere's it held?
12:19.11dpashBedford
12:19.18dpashtrain?
12:19.35SpyPigeonPossible...
12:20.06dpashwe need people
12:20.14dpashthe last meeting was about 9 people
12:20.15dank_work"People...who need people..."
12:20.32SpyPigeonI could be tempted then...whens the next meet?
12:20.42dpashnot sure yet
12:20.57dpashI am going to prod for a date soon
12:21.32SpyPigeonWe tried one in Luton a while back to LuSt -
12:21.38SpyPigeon- two of us turned up :(
12:21.54SpyPigeon<PROTECTED>
12:22.11dank_workMight be a bit far for me to go from Wycombe
12:22.12dpashSpyPigeon: there was someone from Luton at the last meet
12:22.26dank_workThere were 2 people at the Wycombe LUG meeting on Tuesday :-)
12:22.31dpashSpyPigeon: if there is a Luton/St Albans give me a shout
12:22.39dpash2 at the last MK too
12:22.47dank_workSouth Bucks
12:22.52dpashwhich is why I have decided to do talks at the next mklug
12:22.54dank_workTrain from Marylebone
12:23.31dank_workBAH!
12:23.43dank_workDo you know where Oxford is?
12:23.47dpashSpyPigeon: tart. You live right next to it
12:23.55dank_workWhat about London?
12:24.09highburyKDE 3.1.1 announced
12:24.09dpashSpyPigeon: just the other side of dunstable
12:24.22dpashhighbury: debian already has 3.1.1
12:24.27dank_workAccording to his ident, it's 'x' :)
12:24.34MalcolmOf course I know my own name!
12:24.43SusanWho's saying I don't!
12:24.54HuhnZ:)
12:24.57SusanSo there!!!!!
12:25.16dpashCan I be frank. only if I can be susan
12:25.18TarragonSusan: I knew it!
12:25.31dank_workSome people's true identities only come out on IRC
12:25.48resuDaedfor some reason, people keep calling me Tom
12:26.00dpashSusan: bitch?
12:26.18TarragonSusan: No not a dog, you are not that ugly...on the other hand...
12:26.20SusanNo, I'm a very good girl ;)
12:26.21highburydpash: thats pretty quick, since it was onyl just announced. I'm sure they done a fine quality release like they did last time for Gnome 2.2 and KDE 3.1 </sarcasm off>
12:27.13dpashhighbury: if you were on the kde-packager list you woul dknow that kde3.1.1 was tagged at least a week ago
12:27.25formiSpyPigeon: I always thought you had an air of crossdresser about you :->
12:27.38TarragonSpyPigeon: In the bin when you became Susan?
12:27.50SpyPigeon?
12:28.23resuDaedmorning all
12:28.29dank_workHi Tom
12:28.30dpashhighbury: date of tagging != date of announcement
12:30.57highburydpash: ah I forgot, of course. I'm already on too many mailing lists, which I don't read.
12:31.19dpashhighbury: I doubt you are on the kde-packager list
12:32.59highburycorrect
12:33.22highburyI tend to wait for official SuSE updates
12:33.48dank_workBack in an hour or so
12:35.02dpashBlobbyBLoke: are you pink with spots?
12:35.06dpashand annoying
12:35.10SpyPigeonno and yes
12:35.12SpyPigeon(in that order!)
12:36.21nasratgrr
12:36.43dpashHuhnWORK: what ya working on?
12:40.01resuDaedabout fscking time too, debian have finally fixed kmail for kde3
12:40.15HuhnWORKdpash: article on env. variables.. have to finish some things before ski trip
12:40.33resuDaedjust happens to be a 17.9MB download
12:40.43dpashresuDaed: kmail has always been available
12:40.52formiHuhnWORK: add $SAFETY=yes
12:40.59dpashresuDaed: if you went to #debian-kde you would have found out
12:41.00resuDaeddpash, it has been broken for the past week or so
12:41.10dpashresuDaed: how so?
12:41.40dpashformi: that won't work
12:41.41resuDaedapt-get install kde3, kmail disappeared rom my system, apt-get install kmail - its 'broken'
12:42.03resuDaednot that I use kde3, I just wanted to have a look
12:42.19resuDaeddpash : I am on testing/unstable
12:42.21formidpash: It was a polite suggestion, not meant to be techically accurate
12:42.48dpashformi: what does it do anyway?
12:43.25formidpash: go forth and grow a brain
12:45.02eye69http://tlf.cx/bilder/bushblairbondevikplease.gif
12:47.50resuDaedouch, kmail is'nt working anyway :-(
12:49.44dpashhttp://www.newscorp.com is scary
12:49.47dpashresuDaed: how so?
12:49.53dpashresuDaed: #debian-kde please
12:53.41dpashformi: because it is easier to set up email addresses on a per folder basis
12:55.12formii don't know, haven't used it sine pre 1 versions
12:55.24formibut every week somebody complains about it
12:55.36Tarragonformi: I like the pretty pictures
12:56.10formiTarragon: are you being cheap?
12:58.29TarragonNo it is just KMail is easy to set up for multiple addresses. My problem is the scoring makes it slow. If anything goes wrong with it (I have folders with 20K messages) then because it is a standard format I can recover
13:00.05formiTarragon: im not asking about its real features, just asking if you are being cheap by just pointing to the nice pictures
13:00.38TarragonOh Yeah I guess.
13:05.05formiibot: Tarragon is also cheap. (Own admission).
13:05.07formi: okay
13:07.05Tarragon:-)
13:07.17Tarragonibot tarragon
13:07.18methinks tarragon is a tall Northern bloke, or getting taller sideways. cheap. (Own admission).
13:07.42formiawesome truthful description, hehe
13:16.58TarragonAnyone running Mandrake Cooker?
13:17.06resuDaedlaters all, must work
13:21.29dpashTarragon: as if
13:24.11nasratTarragon: I was running it on ppc a while back why
13:31.59TarragonWhat directories should I be mirroring?
13:39.20nasrat/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/ and below, though you may want to just grab the ISO's for the RC
13:39.37nasratthough you shouldn't need to mirror just setup urpmi
13:40.19nasrat9.1 will be released soon though - see http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php for urpmi
13:42.35TarragonThere has been a small discussion about releasing the iso's later after clubmembers and box sets
13:43.37nasratwell RC iso's then urpmi from cooker.  Then when it's released replace your mandrake-release rpm and change your urpmi settings
14:01.12TarragonThanks
14:06.51*** join/#gllug qwertzz (qwertzz@modem-1790.jaguar.dialup.pol.co.uk)
14:19.08SpyPigeonQuick question: anyone got any reliability info/stories about NTL (them & BT are the only broadband supplies to my area :(
14:19.49dank_workPeople whinge about their customer support (unless you call at 2am)
14:20.07TarragonI use NTL. not too bad except the 1GB download limit per day.
14:20.10dank_workBut I haven't actually heard that much about them being overly unreliable network wise
14:20.10SpyPigeonLinux people whinge? If so, it must work at least some of the time ;)
14:21.25qwertzztarragon: 1gb a day ?
14:22.35dank_workApproximately, yes
14:22.54SpyPigeonPerhaps I should call them, then...
14:22.55dank_workThey don't mind you occasionally going over
14:23.29Tarragonhttp://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2130202,00.html
14:24.28qwertzzhaha - thats hilarious. people cringing about that, i used to have 500 meg a month dload on my cable
14:24.35dpashSpyPigeon: just because BT provide ADSL, doesn;t mean that you need to use BT Openworld
14:25.46SpyPigeondpash: I guessed that _whatever_ service I used, I would only be using half of it ;)
14:26.45dpash?
14:27.21SpyPigeon...only use the half involved in the physical connection. The 'free' software half bundled with Openworld et al would remain unopened on my (evercrowded) desk
14:31.53dank_workheh
14:32.26highburyI was kicked off Freeserve Anytime package a couple of years ago, for overuse :-/
14:33.18murbhighbury: me2
14:33.35eye69highbury: Pathetic
14:34.04qwertzzme too.
14:36.22SpyPigeonthanx guys, I'm gonna give 'em a call. Who wants to put odds I get someone who's never heard of Linux and asks 'Is that Win95 or better?' ;)
14:37.43dank_workAt this time, very likely
14:37.53highburyI don't see the point of using a Broadband ISP who limits the amount of usage
14:37.55dank_workCall it MacOS X :)
14:38.03dank_workThey limit overusage
14:38.15dank_workDownloading > 1Gb a day, every day, is a bit excessive
14:38.42dank_workThey're not going to mind if you, say, download the three RH8.0 ISOs
14:38.51highburynot for a broadband connection, which will increasingly be shared
14:38.51murbdank: why is a gb a day excessive?
14:39.04nasratdank_work: you could be doing backups to home
14:39.09murbwhy can't i download a 6 cd debian iso set?
14:39.13dank_workYou can
14:39.13murbor mirror debian?
14:39.20SpyPigeon...but everyday??
14:39.26murbI mirrored debian on my ntl cablemodem
14:39.32murbSpyPigeon: well rsync updates every night.
14:39.33dank_workIf you mirror Debian, you don't download the whole lot every day
14:39.33highburyas more and more people role out wireless in the homes, it would be stupid to pick NTL as a Broadband ISP
14:39.54dank_workOf course, the ISPs have a finite amount of bandwidth, too
14:40.10highburywell rsync doesn't download what it doesn't need
14:40.39dank_workIf you're rsyncing Debian mirrors, it's unlikely you're downloading more than a few hundred megs a day (if that)
14:40.54murbhighbury: debian can be up to several gb a night.
14:41.30highburyI mirror about 56 sites, several daily, the rest weekly
14:41.34murbalthough they are i think going to use the gzip --rsyncingable option to make it more efficent.
14:41.50highburyand that's just sites, the sometimes are several packages per site
14:41.50murbhighbury: the reason for mirroring debian is to make local installs quick.
14:42.07highburywhich is why, I mirror
14:43.20highburythe only thing I don't like about "rsync" is the file exclusion syntax is a bit basic, I prefer "mirror" which allows perl-like regular expressions
14:44.17murbis mirror still maintained?
14:44.18nasratdiy librsync and pcre :)
14:44.29murbI know i used to use it for my demon web stuff.
14:44.58murbnasrat: i assume you've played with teh rsync http lirbary for making webproxies faster?
14:45.28nasratrproxy, yeah a little.
14:46.29nasratwhen I played with doing the google coding thing I looked at deltas using the rsync library
14:46.34murbdoes it still frequently crash?
14:46.48highburymurb: it doesn't appear to be maintained, but it still works. The only problems I have with it, is with downloads.sourceforge.net which does wacky ftp redirects which confuse it. solved by picking on a specific mirror
14:54.23murbis anyone pubing this evening?
14:54.27dank_workWhere?
14:55.08murbI don't know, I'll see if there are any planned events in london first.
14:55.14dank_workOkay
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15:08.29eye69There, 2.4.20 patched. Ptrace exploit no longer working. :)
15:10.08dank_workGood.
15:10.24murbeye69: I take the few that any of my users that thry nasty stuff like that i no longer trust, and so they don't have accounts anymore.
15:10.28murbs/few/view/
15:11.28murbI also can't randomly reboot machines that people use to apply kernel updates.
15:11.49murbIf i do it today forinstance i might not be able to get to my machine to fix it for 12 days.
15:13.16eye69Luckily I don't have that problem. The server could be rebooted with the old kernel within a few hours, and there aren't that many users on the system.
15:15.44murbI don't like rebooting machines...
15:16.08murbEspecally when there are no clueful people in same country as machine.
15:17.43SpyPigeonre - just spoke with NTL: they're coming to install stuff next wednesday :)))
15:17.53eye69SpyPigeon: Congrats.
15:18.05SpyPigeonThey also said that exceeding the 1gb/day limit would result in getting cut off
15:18.07SpyPigeon:(
15:18.44SpyPigeonBut she was just repeating what her supervisor said
15:18.50murbSpyPigeon: they tend to accidently cut off customers all the time so that shouldn't make any difference.
15:19.07murbSpyPigeon: did you buy a cablemodem? I have a spare one, and you should get 5 quid off a month for supplying your own kit.
15:19.45SpyPigeonPart of their current promotion is a free one (with USB & ethernet capabilities)
15:20.11SpyPigeonI wouldn't have time to source it any this stage of the day (busy all month)
15:20.24SpyPigeonbut if the offers open when life calms down I might take you up on it
15:20.29SpyPigeon?Trade for a beer?
15:20.31SpyPigeon;)
16:09.25formi<PROTECTED>
16:09.54dank_workBeer?
16:10.01formianybody going to the kings X event tonight??
16:10.27dank_workwhat event?
16:10.39formidank_work: some of us all evening alcoholics, not full blown alcoholics...!
16:10.47formis/all/are
16:10.53dank_work:)
16:15.09formii have to work tomorrow, so beer today or dryness until sat
16:27.23formibbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
16:27.47formithe word doesn't have the same appeal as it used to
16:28.22nasratdank_work: nah perry
16:28.28formiibot: slap dank_work
16:28.29parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, formi
16:28.38dank_workShandy?
16:29.05formiGOSH, I have to do everything by myself
16:30.25dank_workYup
16:43.54*** join/#gllug marko85_uk ([rFibMPozQ@213.78.120.73)
16:43.58marko85_ukhey everyone
16:44.32marko85_uki wrote to onetel about my internet connection and they replyed saying they do not support linux connection
16:44.44dank_workBack to using Windows with you, then
16:45.08marko85_ukis anyone here using 56 k modem
16:45.10marko85_ukwhy?
16:45.37dank_workBecause they don't support Linux
16:46.04marko85_ukwell i am using linux now and i am on onetel at the moment
16:46.11marko85_ukbut connection is only like 2.3 kb/s
16:46.27marko85_uki just tried installing flash plug in and it wont do it
16:46.46marko85_ukit asks me for location of mozilla and i say its /usr/lib/mozilla
16:46.50marko85_ukand it wont accept that
16:47.13eye69Try /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
16:47.24marko85_uki have done that one as well
16:47.47marko85_ukit tell me on the website that directory called install_flash_player_6_linux
16:47.57marko85_ukwill be created when i unzip the file but it doesnt
16:48.07marko85_ukwhat is the command for unzipping a file again
16:48.12marko85_ukits tar.gz
16:48.15marko85_ukor something like that
16:48.31dank_worktar -xzf
16:48.36nasrattar xzvf flash-plugin-6.0.69.tar.gz
17:04.22dank_workUrgh.
17:04.26dank_workDocumentation--
17:05.52formimarko85_uk: im using a 56k modem
17:05.52highburyxpvf is a better option for tar
17:06.26highburywe've all used them, most analogue modems are 56k
17:06.27formimarko85_uk: onetel does work with linux
17:06.39formii used to use their 1p deal
17:08.50formimarko85_uk: you need nothing special to connect to them
17:09.33formimarko85_uk: when they say they don't support linux they mean "we don't troubleshoot linux problems"
17:09.53formionetel does use linux and freebsd on their servers
17:11.15formisomebody correct me if i am wrong: i suppose the reason they don't "support" anything *nix style would be that it is way too complicated
17:11.27dank_workYeah
17:11.37dank_workToo many different possible setups/problems to troubleshoot
17:18.23dank_workformi: That would involve being physically close to people like him
17:19.39formidank_work: i keep telling you im not gay :->
17:19.59dank_workActually, I don't think you've ever told *me* you're not gay
17:20.00dank_work:)
17:20.02formidank_work: look for another bloke, you'll have no luck with me
17:29.01formioh bollocks
17:29.07formish*t
17:29.57formiHuhn: comming tonight
17:30.15formi?
17:30.27Huhnformi: ?
17:30.57formibeer festival near the church is kings cross
17:31.03formibeer festival near the church in kings cross
17:31.20HuhnI can't? I'm in Germany? :(
17:32.26HuhnI would love to come, no offense taken
17:32.30pdrsomeone say beer?
17:32.55pdribot: pdr?
17:32.56you are, like, not trustworthy when it comes to beer
17:33.00formipedro, vas vir o festival en kings X?
17:33.07pdrprovavelmente nao
17:33.31pdrpreciso trabalha amanha!
17:33.42formivaia
17:33.50pdrnao posso
17:33.53formieu podria axudarche
17:34.12Huhnhi Pete
17:34.17pdrhi huhn
17:34.24formiI could threaten you with violence if you don't leave early
17:34.48pdryou could
17:34.57pdrand i would laugh
17:35.02formiand I wouldn't be alone
17:35.37formior I could shout, "this bloke said beer is like piss" and then you would have to run for you live
17:35.54formis/live/life
17:36.06pdryou could
17:36.07pdrand i would laugh
17:36.27dank_workOnly Australian beer is like that
17:36.56formidank_work: you don't need to mention it, everyone knows
17:36.59Huhn*eg*
17:37.06pdrthey say that in WA, they name the beer after what has pissed in the bottle
17:37.19Huhnwell, at least Aussi beer is better than American beer..
17:37.26formialso british beer is no good
17:37.35pdrthey have emu lager, redback bitter (a wheat beer like hoegaarden), and swan lager
17:37.49pdrhuhn: true
17:38.02formiemu? isn't that the name of a large animal?
17:38.02pdrthere actually *is* good beer in au, but you need to search for it
17:38.19pdrformi: as i said they name the beer after what has pissed in
17:38.20pdr<PROTECTED>
17:38.38dank_work<PROTECTED>
17:38.40dank_workWhee!
17:38.44pdryay!
17:39.02nasratoh well I'm off - have fun ppl
17:39.06pdrpdr@muriel:~$ uptime
17:39.06pdr<PROTECTED>
17:39.06dank_workbye Paul
17:39.12dank_workEek :)
17:39.18dank_workIs muriel your workstation, then?
17:39.23formiformi: up 26 years
17:39.39pdrit's a desktop that sits under the desk, so i guess it's a deskbottom
17:39.52dank_work:)
17:40.01pdrthat means i've been living in that place for at least that long!
17:40.24cupjgwnhgkjsw
17:40.31cupnight poeple
17:40.33pdrblumfrub cup
17:40.38dank_worknight cup
17:41.31dank_workHmm. David Damerell attending the beer thing..
17:41.40dank_workmurb: Okay - I'll catch you around, then
17:41.58formidank_work: really??
17:42.03dank_workNo.
17:42.10dank_workJust reading your message, inviting himn
17:42.11dank_work*him
17:44.02formiim not inviting him
17:44.28dank_work<PROTECTED>
17:44.36dank_workSounds like an invite to me :)
17:44.39formilast year we had a 2 people flamewar about the camra festival
17:44.46dank_workThere was?
17:45.00dank_workBetween who, and for what reason?
17:45.09formii was saying it is a rip off, he was saying shit as usual
17:45.40dank_workYou don't seem to like him...
17:45.44murbibot lart my collegues in luxembourg for not having a clue about freeswan and breaking stuff.
17:47.09formidank_work: im not alone, read his posts and judge by yourself
17:47.53dank_workyeah...the Harker brothers
17:48.56formithe harker brothers?
17:49.07formigot a url?
17:49.08dank_workJon Harker doesn't like him either
17:49.23dank_workActually, I'm not sure about Stephen
17:51.29dank_workByee
17:51.37formii think i might be confusing s.harker with somebody else
17:51.52dank_workPossibly.
17:52.52formilong bit antipodean bloke
17:53.07formis/bit/big
18:12.41pdrtmi
18:12.46dpashhi
18:12.51pdrdpash: hi
18:14.27dpashargh I've killed my server
18:14.37dpashsitecopy: Error: Could not connect to server (www.davidpashley.com port 21).
18:14.52murbwhere is it located?
18:15.05dpashNY
18:15.10pdrdamn
18:15.32dpashthe website works
18:15.37dpashlooks like ftp is dead
18:15.43pdrcan you login to it?
18:16.14dpashparguild020 david% ftp davidpashley.com
18:16.15dpashftp: connect: Connection refused
18:16.38dpashftp is dead
18:17.54pdrssh is still open
18:18.14murbwell is anyone coming to the bearfestival this evening?
18:18.32pdrnup, although, don't worry i still remember that i owe you a beer
18:18.38pdrand formi owes you 2
18:19.06murbpdr: I'd easily forget about you, formi was a bit too blatant.
18:19.17murband quite rude.
18:19.53pdribot formi?
18:19.57[formi] a VRY WRD its-formi.
18:20.55dpashpdr: [18:16] < dpash> ftp is dead
18:21.22dpashibot: pdr
18:21.23rumour has it, pdr is not trustworthy when it comes to beer
18:21.27pdrdpash: 18:17 <pdr> ssh is still open
18:21.33pdribot, i don't believe you
18:21.34pdr: i haven't a clue
18:21.40pdryeah i know
18:28.30formi_showeribot: its-formi?
18:28.31methinks its-formi is a VRY NRML GZ GUY, with NO sense of IRNY, using TP, FBSD, MDK, RR, OBSD, SOL, and drinking MATE.  Also a VRY WRD formi.
18:29.06formi_showersomebody's e
18:29.17formi_showersomebody's been messing up with ibot
18:35.46eye69BGFH?
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18:37.48dpashhttp://www.davidpashley.com/irc-notable.html
18:37.51dpashhi Jenson
18:37.58Jensonheya dpash
18:39.03Jensonnice of my browser not to display that properly
18:40.09dpashJenson: get a proper browser?
18:40.27formieye69: bloody girlfriend from hell
18:40.32Jensonive got one :P
18:40.38eye69Oh.
18:40.42pdribot: are you silly?
18:40.43are you silly is, like, a good question, the answer to which is "yes, i am"
18:40.44formiJenson: really
18:40.59dpashpdr: that must have taken you a while?
18:41.05pdrdpash: indeed
18:41.11pdribot: dpash?
18:41.12i heard dpash is a big geek girl
18:41.20Jensonheh
18:41.34dpashibot: no, dpash is looking for a geek girl
18:41.35okay, dpash
18:41.48dpashown up. who was it
18:42.08dpashwho's been telling ibot libellous facts
18:42.10Jensondpash: It works now, I think Konqueror was identifying as IE 5
18:42.17Jensonibot jenson
18:42.18i guess jenson is Slackware user (or pretends she has the slightest clue what she's doing), or going out with dankolb, or a twonkle
18:42.23Jensonlol
18:42.30Jensonah
18:42.32Jensonedit that lol
18:42.44dpashcan you edit one fact?
18:43.18Jensondpash: SpudUAway can
18:44.12dpashibot: jenson is a geek girl
18:44.13...but jenson is already something else...
18:44.22dpashibot: jenson is also a geek girl
18:44.23dpash: okay
18:44.46dpashibot: jenson is not going out with dankolb
18:44.48...but jenson is already something else...
18:44.58Jensondpash: I'll get spud to edit it later lol
18:45.00dpashhmm I knew it couldn;t be that simple
18:45.03Jensoni dunno who added that
18:45.07Jensoncoz i didnt
18:45.08dpashibot: Jenson
18:45.10[jenson] Any number of other things
18:45.17Jensonibot jenson
18:45.20methinks jenson is A little crazy
18:48.18Jensonsee ya pdr
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19:14.09Huhnre (and hi dankolb) ;)
19:14.58dankolbhi
19:16.13murbthe thought of being home already.
19:16.47murbs/)/(/
19:17.33Huhnmurb: I know the feeling
19:19.15dankolbIn fact, mother is whinging about me having equipment in bedroom
19:19.25dankolbSo I'm just going to go off and move things around :(
19:19.32dankolb(and then go to pub)
19:24.09dpashbut not in mozilla
19:24.31murbfor the same reason i don't read the sun or the register.
19:24.53dpashthe reg has been particularly un-interesting recently
19:25.04dpashbut you do get some titbits from it
19:32.40formi_off_beermurb: try the basement
19:33.47murbformi: what?
19:33.59formicheck private
19:38.58formimurb: check private
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19:46.57Huhnenjoy formi
19:47.00formisee you
19:47.14irvinedwhat a pain in the ass
19:47.14Huhnwb irvined
19:47.16formithanks Huhn
19:47.24irvinedmy router kicked the bucket last night very slowly and painfully
19:47.45irvinedi spent almost an hour trying to solve the problem but it seems the external modem has died after 4 years of faithful service
19:48.27Huhnaww :/
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19:48.49irvined<PROTECTED>
19:49.08Huhnand you lost your uptime..
19:49.09irvinedi couldnt get a response from it then i remembered that it firewalled icmp pings
19:50.45irvinedyes it had just over 300 days
19:50.54Huhnouch :(
19:51.09irvinedyes very ouch
20:10.51Huhntell us
20:11.06pdrnothing to tell - lots of traffic
20:11.34pdrdelayed trains
20:11.43pdrnormal longon
20:11.49pdrs/g/d
20:11.56Huhnah o0k
20:12.06Huhnmh, cannot type anymore
20:12.09Huhntoo tired
20:12.18pdrhow was the parteh?
20:12.35Huhnlang und schmutzig ;) (long and dirty :))
20:13.00pdroath! sounds like a cool party
20:17.37Huhntraining tonight ;)
20:17.58HuhnICEI'll be back (hopefully)
20:18.10TarragonIn one piece?
20:18.11murbcan someone tell me where the source for mount.cifs lies in samba cvs?
20:18.33HuhnICETarragon: we'll see, keep your fingers crossed, bye
20:33.20highburyno such url, and who for the sake of all sanity would connect at 9600baud\!
20:47.12murbdoes on a GSM link from the pub of course :)
20:47.22murbs/does/theoes/
20:47.28murbasdfasdf spelling failure
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21:08.19skugghi.
21:15.29highburyFolks, please review www.gllug.org.uk/irc.html so that we can improve content. [The layout is being separately worked on by dpash and myself]
21:16.06*** mode/#gllug [+o highbury] by ChanServ
21:16.52*** topic/#gllug by highbury -> GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk [Next Full Meeting - 12-April-2003 (est)], Provisional irc FAQ at http://www.gllug.org.uk/irc.html
21:22.18skugghighbury, do you want comments on punctuation issues etc?
21:33.12highburyyeah sure, but I especially want handy irc links
21:42.32ClyphoxHi
21:47.32highburywell skugg, I'm on tenterhooks ...
21:51.06eye69highbury: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html    :)
21:52.10skugghighbury, sorry. was cooking. didn't expect you so soon since you said you were away too :)
21:53.15skuggThere's a few iffies in the first paragraph; lower-case letter at start of sentence, missing full stop etc.
21:59.31Clyphoxgah..
21:59.40Clyphoxonly a few hours left of being 20 :(
22:02.58skuggClyphox, heh.
22:03.06Clyphox:(
22:03.17ClyphoxI got a few quotes on a colo in aberdeen..
22:03.25Clyphoxamazingly bad money.. :
22:03.27ClyphoxCo-Location Bandwidth Charges (please select):
22:03.27Clyphox64Kbits (rates of transfer)                     £2200.00
22:03.27Clyphox128Kbits                                                £3100.00
22:03.27Clyphox256Kbits                                                £4700.00
22:03.27Clyphox512KBits                                                £8100.00
22:03.28Clyphox1Mb                                                     £12000.00
22:03.30Clyphox2Mb                                                     £14000.00
22:03.47Clyphoxcan you beleive any soul can afford that!?!
22:04.17highburythanks eye69
22:04.51highburyskugg: where? (a bit more specifically.
22:05.45skugghighbury, "even multi-protocol tools..." <-- "even" should be capitalised
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22:06.18skuggMissing full stop after "gaim" in same sentence, and the last sentence in the first paragraph just needs rewriting.
22:07.32skuggs,text only,text-only, in the beginning of the second paragraph maybe? (warning, I am really pedantic; take with a grain of salt ;)
22:08.28skuggClyphox, that's a bit high, yeah.
22:09.30ClyphoxI'm thinking I'm only paying 22.50 atm just for my plain dsl.. setup my own colo at home lol
22:09.52Clyphoxand then if I can afford a backup elsewhere.. </tangent>
22:17.53highburyok a few more changes made, more links added
22:18.10Clyphoxwhere? where? may I look?
22:18.18Clyphoxer down
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22:28.42highburyClyphox: check the link on the topic
22:29.53Clyphoxhbbiam then
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22:33.02skuggi've got the older equivalent, Q65
22:45.01murbgood evening?
22:48.18eye69I've got a guy asking where to find Slack9 ISO's.
22:51.39eye69Nevermind.
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22:57.27dankolbevenin'
22:57.42eye69Hi dan.
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23:25.44dummyhey
23:25.47dummyanyone around?
23:28.00eye69On and off.
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23:34.57marko85_ukhey everyone
23:34.58marko85_uk:)
23:37.49marko85_ukanyone in a helping mood?
23:38.44eye69Ask a question.
23:39.19marko85_ukwell i downloaded mozilla today
23:39.26marko85_ukand i want to update my current version
23:39.34marko85_ukso i got the file in my home folder
23:39.59eye69Ok.
23:39.59marko85_uki read the readme file
23:40.08marko85_ukand i dont seem to be able to really understand what to do
23:40.13eye69What's the filename?
23:40.45marko85_ukdo i first of all unzip the file usind tar command?
23:41.17eye69I seem to remember that he's using Red Hat.
23:41.39marko85_uki am
23:41.43eye69I would recommend using official or if they're not available unofficial RPM's.
23:41.47dankolbrpm -Uvh mozilla*.rpm ?
23:41.58eye69Yes, like dankolb says.
23:42.27marko85_uki got it in a file called
23:42.30marko85_uk.tar.gz
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23:42.46eye69You can remove that file and get an rpm instead.
23:42.58eye69You don't want to stuff up your packaging system with .tar.gz
23:43.40marko85_ukeye69 it kind of took me 2 hours to download it
23:43.41marko85_uk:)
23:43.51marko85_ukbut if you have a different suggestion
23:43.53eye69Well, you kinda were wrong in doing that.
23:43.55marko85_uktell me and i will do it
23:44.08eye69You're running RH8?
23:44.11dankolbhttp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.3/Red_Hat_8x_RPMS/xft/i386/
23:44.18marko85_ukyes and it has an automatic update
23:44.27marko85_ukand i do have in a list that i can download the new mozilla
23:44.43eye69So, what's the problem? :)
23:44.53marko85_uki guess there isnt one
23:45.13denivrievening all
23:45.22eye69That's a whole lot of discussion to say that you don't have a problem. :)
23:45.26dankolbeye69: Problem is people not using the correct tools for the job
23:45.27marko85_ukhi denivri never seen you before
23:45.28dankolbhi denivri
23:45.28marko85_uk:)
23:45.40dankolbmarko85_uk: I'm sure you have. Just with a different name
23:45.45denivrimarko85_uk: you've seen me by another name, irvined, or davilion
23:46.11denivrihmm somebody has a borked mail server methinks
23:46.12marko85_uki seen davilion
23:46.23denivriive got 1902 messages from the same person
23:46.32denivrii think it may be bouncing between procmails or somethingh
23:46.34marko85_ukmail boomber
23:46.35marko85_uk:)
23:46.36denivrishould be fun come tommorow
23:47.49dankolbheh
23:48.38dankolb'night all
23:48.39denivriim hping itsnot a proiblem from within our mail system so i can go round and personally snap his fingers
23:48.52denivribut i suspect we've been grahamed
23:48.54denivrinn
23:48.59marko85_ukwhat is the command for shuting my computer down in about 3 hours?
23:49.26dankolbshutdown +3h, or something
23:49.32dankolbman shutdown is your friend
23:50.04marko85_uki think i need -p there dont i
23:50.33cupismarko85_uk: what do you think -p does?
23:50.42marko85_ukturns the power off
23:50.46denivrishutdown -h <secondsfromnow(iirc)> [message]
23:51.13cupispdr: AOL
23:51.14marko85_ukseconds from now on
23:51.31marko85_ukso i just need to calculate that
23:52.00denivri3(60^2)
23:52.13cupismarko85_uk: The  time  argument  can  have  different formats.  First, it can be an
23:52.13cupis<PROTECTED>
23:52.13cupis<PROTECTED>
23:52.13cupis<PROTECTED>
23:52.13cupis<PROTECTED>
23:52.23cupis<PROTECTED>
23:52.49cupisthus: /sbin/shutdown -h +180  will work
23:53.05marko85_ukcupis could you like just tell me the command and ill read the rute soon and study bit more
23:53.17marko85_ukthanks mate
23:53.54marko85_uki heard a beep
23:54.01marko85_ukis that what is ment to happen
23:54.01marko85_uk:)
23:54.09cupismarko85_uk: yes
23:54.25marko85_ukis there a command that can tell me how much time is left
23:54.46denivridate :)
23:55.16denivridate |awk :)
23:56.22cupismarko85_uk: no
23:56.51marko85_ukok
23:57.45marko85_ukmy automatic update doesnt seem to want to launch
23:57.58marko85_ukprogress dialog just freezes
23:58.18marko85_ukits cool now
23:58.18marko85_uk:)

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