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00:11.42eye69Sure am
00:16.42Clyphoxeye69: Up for some UT?
00:20.01Clyphoxcool : http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/04/03/colossal.squid.reut/index.html
00:21.32Huhn-> bed tim
00:21.38Clyphoxnn
00:21.41HuhnZzZnn
00:26.13TarragonClyphox: http://www.flying-pig.co.uk/Pages/squid.htm and yes i have just made one.
00:26.42Clyphoxhehe
00:27.25TarragonOnly problem is it only has eight tentacles and not ten
00:27.39ClyphoxAhh well..
00:27.46ClyphoxHow big is yours?
00:28.04Tarragon15cms
00:28.31ClyphoxI was really into Origamia when i was younger
00:28.46Clyphoxer origami
00:30.07TarragonThis is cut and glue with a prit stick.
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01:58.28eye69No metal? Horrible.
02:02.59dummyhes a wannabe nigga
02:03.10eye69Ewwww
02:04.20dummyyepp
02:04.34dummybest part is me and my room-mate dont talk to each other
02:04.35dummylol
02:05.06dummyanyways my foods here so bbl
02:14.53eye69dummy: Speaking of nigga: http://www.supercoon.com/video/tokyo_breakfast.asx
02:32.11dummywith what do i view that?
02:32.15dummyasx never heard of it
02:36.45eye69dummy: mplayer
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03:33.50dummy_internet died
03:33.52dummy_bahh
03:34.01dummy_that nigga thing was mad funny
03:51.35eye69dummy: It's nice.
03:56.07dummyhehe
03:56.14dummyi sent it to my roomie hes pissed
03:56.15dummylol
05:30.53TarragonMorning
05:48.59dummyanyone here got winex?
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08:04.16zacharygood morning
08:14.21dpashhi all
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08:32.21nasratmorning
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08:47.09cupmorning
08:52.02dpashmorning
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09:05.26jason_ukfsngood morning everyone.
09:09.02dpashmorning
09:10.49nasratmorning
09:11.40murbmoin
09:11.45murblast day in .lu
09:13.04jason_ukfsnwhat ever?
09:13.55jason_ukfsnhmm, that's a little unclear. It should read "What? Last day ever?"
09:16.32Huhnmoin
09:25.12dpashjason_ukfsn: was a bit "talk to the hand, cos the face aint listening" :)
09:32.57dummyhey all
09:34.02dummyyou should check out this nice wallpaper i got today http://toxicity.ath.cx:81/snap.png
09:36.52murboh the debian exim4 packages are horrible.
09:46.05jason_ukfsnI'm suffering from coffee lag this morning -every time someone posts something I am away making more coffee.
09:56.50dpashlol
09:57.02dpashmurb: in what respect
09:57.12dpashmurb: #exim?
10:00.42jason_ukfsn: seems everyone else is just as lag'd
10:12.33dpashbuilding machines
10:12.39dpashnot at desk
10:32.16murbhmm #exim is quiet.
10:44.40Huhnwhat a good idea
10:54.38Huhnwow
10:55.19jason_ukfsnbeer in the office is good but it's important not to drink too much while still expected to work
10:55.45murbjason: is it a ap9212 masterswitch the thing you have?
10:58.11jason_ukfsnmurb, I think so however I don't have the full details with me. I know the management module id's as a 9606. I have another one sitting here on my desk that is a 9210 but lacks rack brackets (I picked it up for £75 off ebay)
10:58.49murbdo they generally include the ethernet interface?
10:59.46jason_ukfsnyes
10:59.55jason_ukfsnsome don't though so make sure if you are buying one
11:00.00murbok, well walmart.be say 495 euros...
11:00.04murbI will.
11:00.21jason_ukfsnSimply sell them for £299 is looks to be less from here
11:02.28murbwell 45 euros less.
11:02.47murbI need to find a cheap canon ixus 400
11:09.00murbneither to i :)
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11:14.09jensonhey guys
11:14.39jason_ukfsnhey jenson
11:14.47jensonheya jason_ukfsn
11:15.10jensonahh gtg
11:15.12jensonseeya
11:47.51dpashsorry murb, afk
11:47.57dpashwas afk
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11:50.58ShermozleBleurgh.  Do I have to work?
11:51.03Huhnhi Shermozle
11:51.09HuhnI think you have to, yes
12:01.31murbwho is glluging then?
12:03.12ShermozleNot me.
12:04.04ShermozleHmmm, got my horse in the office sweep.  50-1.  Hmmm...
12:04.16ShermozleBut I like the name: Blowing Wind (AKA: fart)
12:05.23dpashmurb: when?
12:06.05murbthe next one.
12:06.23dpashI will be there
12:12.27murbHuhn: you're a regular we know you'll be there :))
12:13.04Huhnmurb: :)
12:13.38dpashsample
12:13.42dpashhi jason_ukfsn
12:13.48Huhnwb jason_ukfsn
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12:32.44zacharydpash: I was just cleaning house, what tipics did you have in mind?
12:33.15murbdpash: the london.pm technical meetings are having a serials of talks on IP and stuff.
12:34.31jason_ukfsnPerhaps a talk on how the law affects free/open source software development aand use
12:34.34jason_ukfsnquit
12:35.20dpashzachary: Copyright, Patents, Trademarks
12:35.32dpashData protection, Computer Misuse
12:35.58dpashcryptography
12:36.54dpashRegultory Investigation Powers Act
12:37.00dpashDeformation
12:37.22dpashdefective software
12:37.33dpashyou name it
12:37.49dpashif it is related to computers and people want to know about it
12:46.56zacharybrb, daughter is fussy
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12:48.22jason_ukfsnhello again.
12:49.32murboh dear, i'm building a webmail/imap/msql bankeded system this week, they are now saying i can't implement it until all the compents are decided and solid.
12:49.44murbthey really really don't get it.
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12:52.29Huhnhi formi
12:55.23jason_ukfsnwhat do they mean by decided and solid?
12:55.30jason_ukfsnWhat components are you using?
12:55.30formihiya
12:55.35jason_ukfsnhi formi
12:55.41formimy laptop screen is playing up again
12:56.05formii suppose nobody has a thinkpad 570 tft ribbon
12:57.14murbjason: they mean they want me to have written all the code to glue it together before i start, courierimap, mysql eixm
12:57.17murband openwebmail
13:05.44formijason_ukfsn: i know you use your custom scripts, but could you recommend any user management script/set of scripts, for dns,apache, imaps, postfix,.. ?
13:06.53jason_ukfsnmurb I take it you are implementing it as virtual users etc? In that case wouldn't you need to have done so anyway?
13:07.56jason_ukfsnformi - sorry, I wasn't able to find anything that worked the way I think they should. These things tend to be very site specific hence the widespread custom of re-inventing the circular support object
13:08.48jason_ukfsnmurb - how much gluing together do you need? Most of it will "just work"
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13:13.06resuDaedafternoon all
13:13.12resuDaedand kde experts in here?
13:13.53jason_ukfsnhi resuDaed
13:14.37formiresuDaed: weren't you the master minimalistic guy?
13:14.46resuDaedformi : I am, my mother isn't
13:15.03jason_ukfsnwhat do you want to know resuDaed? I'm no expert but I do use KDE
13:15.21resuDaedI need to change the audio device kde is trying to use (the non-existant one)
13:15.30resuDaed(to the existant one)
13:16.15resuDaedit comes up with an error to do with not being able to open /dev/dsp or something, but I know sound works fine using libao
13:16.56jason_ukfsnresuDaed - You can do this via the KDE Control Centre. Under Sound / Sound Server / [Sound IO tab]  / Sound IO Method
13:17.06resuDaedyes, but I don't know what the device is
13:17.07formido you know which is the right /dev/ ??
13:17.16resuDaedformi ^^
13:17.29formilsmod
13:18.06resuDaedemu10k1                61640   0
13:18.06resuDaedac97_codec             11048   0  [emu10k1]
13:18.06resuDaedsound                  58388   0  [emu10k1]
13:18.06resuDaedsoundcore               3844   7  [emu10k1 sound]
13:18.53formils -alh /dev/sound
13:18.57formils -alh /dev/dsp
13:19.14resuDaedit isn't /dev/dsp apparantly (what kde attempts to use)
13:19.22dpashresuDaed: /me is kde person
13:19.36jason_ukfsnresuDaed do you have artsd running?
13:19.49resuDaedls: /dev/sound: No such file or directory
13:19.51dpashresuDaed: are you using devfs?
13:20.08resuDaeddpash : no
13:20.13dpashtry /dev/snd/*
13:20.38resuDaednope
13:21.08resuDaedaRTs is running
13:21.15resuDaed(curerntly using /dev/null)
13:22.24resuDaedis there someway I can tell kde to use libao (that works)
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13:25.32dpashso you don't have a /dev/dsp, or a /dev/sound or a /dev/snd
13:25.44Davilionhelo
13:25.56resuDaedI have /dev/dsp, it just gets permission denied from kde
13:26.09formichmod 777 /dev/dsp
13:26.23dpashthat is your problem then
13:26.40dpashI thought you said you didn;t have a dev/dsp
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13:26.48formiit will only allow the devil to speak through your soundcard
13:27.41resuDaedok, I have to go get a job (unless anyone in here can offer me one)
13:28.17jason_ukfsnI can offer you a job - I just cannot pay you anything ;)
13:28.20nasratresuDaed: I wish redundancies and paycuts abounding here
13:28.36resuDaedjason_ukfsn : based where?
13:28.52resuDaed(cv helping anyway)
13:29.06jason_ukfsnbrb - my graphics card just went shonky
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13:34.25jason_ukfsnhello again everyone
13:35.34nasratjason_ukfsn: use a serial console :P
13:36.16jason_ukfsnLOL nasrat - I expect I'd not enjoy running KDE over it ;)
13:36.45nasrats/(not) (enjoy)/$2 $1/
13:37.05jason_ukfsnI suspect the problem is a shonky motherboard and I have a replacement here however I lack the time (or the will at the moment) to replace it
13:37.09jason_ukfsnLOL nasrat.
13:37.45jason_ukfsnI've been getting up to speed with Gnucash so I need X at the moment.
13:39.10jason_ukfsnI don't suppose anyone here has experience of Intel server mobos?
13:39.40jason_ukfsnI'm thinking in particular of the SE7500WV2 ones
13:51.46jason_ukfsndamn f*cking display has gone again.
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14:00.45jason_ukfsnhello again
14:00.55zacharydpash: was that an offer or request?
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14:01.12zacharywb jason_ukfsn
14:01.13jason_ukfsnand again
14:02.23zacharyjason_ukfsn: How's gnucash working for you?
14:02.33Clyphoxre
14:03.06jason_ukfsnzachary - aside from payroll it seems to do everything I need for Linux Consultants accounts. I am not using it to create invoices though.
14:03.52jason_ukfsnOne big plus for me is that while being forced to enter all the last 18 months accounts in again I discovered a cheque that I sent to the bank in May had not arrived in my account which was over £1K short.
14:04.25jason_ukfsngnucash is not perfect but there doesn't seem to be anything better available and I cannot be bothered to write one myself.
14:04.53zacharylooking at switching my books over to linux. But I need a good equity system for mutual funds. MS Money 2001 scewed all my accounts up.
14:05.38jason_ukfsnWell gnucash claims to have some equities support however it's an area I know nothing about so I cannot comment
14:06.18dpashzachary: probably offer
14:07.22zacharydpash: We can always use speakers at either of the regular meetings or install-fests.
14:08.32zacharyjason_ukfsn: if my daughter didn't keep me busy I'd love to help out extending the functionality of either gnucash or kmymoney2.
14:10.54dpashzachary: maybe in a few months :)
14:18.17highburyjason_ukfsn: which version of gnucash are you running, and have you tried KyMoney2
14:19.07jason_ukfsnI'm running 1.8.1 of gnucash and I was not even aware of KyMoney2
14:19.23zacharyjason_ukfsn: kmymoney2 is on sourceforge
14:22.27jason_ukfsnhmm, just looked through the feature set for kmymoney2 and it looks to be some way behind gnucash in all the important areas - although I do like the idea of being able to define your own forms for data entry
14:23.01highburygnucash 1.8.0, KMyMoney2 2.0.4, as installed by SuSE 8.2
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14:28.25dpashsomeone asked about djbdns on a ML
14:28.47dpashhow do you answer that :)
14:30.51nasratdpash: I couldn't possibly comment :P
14:34.19dpashmy combo is fairly fast
14:35.40formiis there anybody appart from Jason up to a nice long walk next saturday?
14:36.15dpashformi: ?
14:36.34formianti-bollocks demo !!
14:37.08dpashnah, but I may make it to borders
14:38.17jason_ukfsnnote that next week the march starts from Victoria not Gower St so I was planning to meet in some other location nearer to there.
14:38.20formiwhy do I have the impression that techies are all mouth, and no action when it comes down to real-world issues?
14:38.45formijason_ukfsn: i will be starting from euston no matter what
14:40.06formii refuse to be cornered by the powers to be!!
14:40.13jason_ukfsnfair enough formi but you may be a bit lonely  see http://www.stopwar.org.uk for official start points and routes.
14:40.23dpashhighbury: 32X/10X/40X/12X
14:40.34formianyway victoria to where? It looks like a very short march
14:40.35dpashhighbury: maybe not quite as fast, but still pretty quick
14:40.55jason_ukfsnvictoria to Hyde Park.
14:41.40jason_ukfsnIt looks like a slightly shorter walk which may mean more people getting to the park for more of the rally.
14:41.56formiwhat about the next, hyde park to hyde park
14:42.07highburyI don't have one at all at the moment, so its nice to plan for what I want
14:42.17jason_ukfsnalso going from victoria may be more disruptive - the same for the route from Waterloo
14:42.35formijason_ukfsn: it looks like many people will not march, just turn up at the park
14:42.48jason_ukfsnperhaps although that did not happen last time
14:44.46formithe only reason i followed the "route" was because i was looking for people
15:06.35Davilionwhat a lovely day in the big blue room today
15:16.52jason_ukfsndoes anyone know of a good vendor that does 2U servers with 4+ IDE RAID?
15:23.01dpash2
15:23.05dpashoops
15:23.14dpashjason_ukfsn: hold on
15:24.05dpashjason_ukfsn: try xinit.co.uk
15:25.13dpashjason_ukfsn: speak to cpufreak in #debian-uk
15:28.05jason_ukfsndpash is that #debian-uk on this server?
15:39.40Clyphox[yawn]
15:40.23dpashyep
16:00.44dpashdust and oders and urgh
16:01.26dpashodor
16:02.45Tarragonodours?
16:03.23zacharygotta go, bbl
16:03.32dpashnot is /usr/share/dict/words
16:03.46TarragonInside a machine? What have they been putting in there
16:12.49dpashtheir stench
16:12.55dpashhave you seen the matrix?
16:13.09dpashthat is pretty much how I feel about these computers
16:21.35cupneed to go home
16:22.46dpashwhy? is it flooded?
16:26.24TarragonI know my machines get dusty enough to stop the fans but I am sure I have never left anything inside that would give off an odour. Still I suppose the CPU could cook something
16:27.15cuphome!
16:27.40dpashTarragon: the machines just stink of their offices
16:27.59TarragonAh you have been working at the fish factory again then.
16:28.01dpashand their offices does reek
16:28.13dpashTarragon: no, just a recruitment company
16:28.24TarragonClaim danger money
16:28.50dpashI'm sure it is dangerous to my health
16:28.51SpudUAwaydpash: Any particular smell?
16:29.11dpashnot that I can describe
16:29.20dpashit is just "their" smell
16:29.30dpashand it is particularly overpowering
16:29.46dpashI'll have to see if I can find some dust to bring along to the meeting
16:30.00dpashso you can expeience this smell
16:30.51TarragonThanks, but I really don't think you need to do that.
16:34.28TarragonI could imaging the scene. "Here, quick sniff this grey powder""Ewwh""'Allo, 'Allo, 'Allo. Evening all gentlemen, what do we have here?"
16:35.41Huhn:)
16:36.05nasrats/grey/white/
16:36.32nasratibot lart muppet employers
16:39.31nasratok can I take vote whether I resign right now or not?
16:40.47Tarragonresign as what?
16:41.09TarragonOh work you mean
16:41.47TarragonWell it has gone payday...
16:42.05nasratsorry not in a good mood
16:43.22dpashany particular reason?
16:43.33dpashnot due to smelly computers?
16:46.05nasratdpash: lots of redundancies, just got a letter saying paycuts, upto 90 sms's a night due to bloaty java app
16:46.58nasratdpash: muppet isp
16:47.27nasratdpash: no, they are noat http://www.dti.gov.uk/cgi-bin/betsie/parser.pl/www.dti.gov.uk/er/pay/contracts-pl810b.htm#2
16:48.58nasratpissed off and pissed may actually reprint my resignation letter
17:06.53dpashhmmm I don't think that would apply in nasrats' case because it talks about deductions, rather than a pay cut
17:10.08TarragonWould have still thought it would have counted as a variation of contract on unfavourable terms
17:11.05dpashyeah
17:20.10dpashhmm 129 extra females in my district council area
17:20.33dpashnow if only I could find them
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17:45.25Huhnwb Davilion
17:45.30Davilionthanks Huhn
17:45.35Davilionhows our day manifesting?
17:46.04Huhnmhpf
17:46.19Davilionthat good eh?
17:46.36Huhn<sarcasmus>fantastic</sarcasmus>
17:46.47Davilionhehe, whats up?
17:49.23Huhnjust a crap day, happens from time to time
17:49.44Davilionyeah, i know the feeling
18:09.53Huhnand there is Startrek on TV later..
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18:10.16zacharygood evening
18:10.20Huhnwb zachary
18:11.09Davilionhmm, i need to get xawtv working.
18:11.22Huhnwhat's the prob with that Davilion?
18:11.36Davilionwell i dont have a head on my pc.
18:11.45Davilionand when i export the display it well, hard locks up.
18:12.13Davilionso im thinking its possibly a problem with the way it writes to the screen.  i'll have a play with mplayer or something later.
18:12.14Huhnsorry, didn't understand the setup..
18:12.24Davilionbut i could do with watching tv in my room
18:18.41Huhnwb formi
18:20.10Daviliongrumble grumble adsl not active grumble grumble....
18:20.49formihiya guys
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18:55.56formiflamming hell
18:56.25formifreebsd is giving me grief
18:56.58formieverytime I dowload something from fb or open it eats up all the bandwith
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20:25.18Stephenhttp://pub169.ezboard.com/feqluclinfrm12.showMessageRange?topicID=532.topic&start=1&stop=20
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20:38.15resuDaedevening all
20:39.09Huhnhi resuDaed
20:59.50resuDaedHuhn : would you know how to send a man page to std as pure text (ie no formatting)
20:59.59resuDaeds/std/stdout
21:00.23HuhnresuDaed: sorry.. not sure..
21:01.46resuDaedoutput as html, read through lynx and save as a text file :-)
21:02.17Huhnlynx has an option --dump to produce text
21:03.22resuDaedcool, thanks
21:04.13HuhnI normally do: lynx --dump h.html > h.txt
21:08.52murbwhat is wrong with nroff -man ?
21:09.34Huhnmurb: nothing, thanks, that was the command missing..
21:11.13murbyou probably still have to tell grotty not to put in backspaces and high lighting as well.
21:15.31resuDaedmurb, for some reason, I dont think my kernel has detected my lpt ... in the kernel config it is modular ... a) is the correct module likley to have been loaded @ boot time b) if not, what module would it be?
21:15.40resuDaed(or Huhn or anyone else)
21:16.24resuDaedattempting to do anything with /dev/lp[0-2] returns no device
21:25.28murbwhat does dmesg say about printers, do you have ||printer support in your kernel, have you got the lp module loaded, is your printer on fire?
21:27.28resuDaedhave modprobe parport (a guess), dmesg returned parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] ; parport0: irq 7 detected
21:27.40resuDaeddon't have module 'lp'
21:28.53resuDaedParallel port is 'modular' in kernel config
21:29.20resuDaedprinter is not on fire, and is online
21:29.38murbyou don't have lp0 mentioned anywhere in the klog?
21:29.50resuDaedklog = dmesg?
21:29.55resuDaed(then no)
21:30.02murbhmm
21:30.06murbdid you build the kernel yourself?
21:30.14resuDaedeye69 did IIRC
21:31.43murbdo you have the config-blah file for that kernel?
21:31.52murband is CONFIG_PRINTER= set?
21:32.06eye69DOH
21:32.16eye69I might've missed including printer support.
21:32.39resuDaedis printer support more than just the parallel port support?
21:32.59eye69Yes, it's in the Character support section
21:33.22resuDaedah, would a make menuconfig bring up the previous config you used?
21:33.43eye69Yes
21:35.38resuDaedok, have added to config (included), so would make bzImage be enough?
21:35.59resuDaedor should make modular and just make modules?
21:36.16eye69Make it modular.
21:36.40resuDaedthen just make modules?
21:37.18resuDaedmake dep && make modules ?
21:37.37eye69'make dep modules modules_install'
21:39.50resuDaedthen?
21:41.41resuDaedthen works :-) thanks
21:44.46zacharygood night
21:57.18resuDaedg2g, laters
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