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05:04.45*** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk [Next Meeting - tba], Check out irc FAQ at http://www.gllug.org.uk/irc.html
06:31.53ClyphoxGoodbye London.
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07:50.40zacharygood morning
08:03.01dankolbMorning
08:11.36dpashhi
08:11.43dpashgrrr
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08:49.02cupmorning
08:49.16dankolbhi
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09:06.49zacharybbl
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09:59.45nasratmorning
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10:14.14irvined_morning all
10:14.59nasratmorning
10:18.21irvined_heh
10:22.33irvined_feeling a tad tense today murb?
10:24.10murbirvined: our leased line has been cut off due to unpaid bill, i'm on dialup in boardroom with rack in corner near the rack for power anhd phone to reach
10:24.35murbi got an abusive phone call from luxembourg as well, asking why i wasn'g coming over this week and i should finish lot of stuff jada jada jada
10:24.47murbafter they said they didn't want me over this week anyway.
10:26.46irvined_and of course you replied 'listen punk, i'm holding the plug to the dial up connection, one more word out of you and i'll cut you off, understand CUT OFF!' :)
10:27.36irvined_murb: i take it the company is fairly new? or is it just very poor?
10:41.14murbno it is just fucked
10:41.31irvined_ahh, downward sprial?
10:41.44murbor somthing.
10:43.45nasratyeah my company is spiralling down too :(
10:46.54irvined_yeah, it seems to be rather common at the moment. I think im fairly safe for another 6 months, but after that, things might get rather interesting here.
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11:12.20Huhnmoin
11:13.46irvined_hi Huhn how was your weekend?
11:13.47Stephenmorning Huhn
11:16.47Huhnhi irvined_, thanks, good weekend, how about yours? hi Stephen
11:17.03irvined_it was good thanks huhn, parents where visiting so spent lots of time eating
11:17.11irvined_Did you enjoy gllug?
11:19.11Huhnyep :) it was nice
11:53.25highburyanything we could do better to improve things?
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11:55.14Huhnhighbury: can't think of anything at the
11:55.14Huhnhi zachary
11:55.42zacharyhi Huhn
12:05.26murbthis keyboard is under new management.
12:17.04dankolbURGH.
12:17.24dankolbI have 336 unused minutes remaining this month, and I lose them all tomorrow because I'm switching to a different service plan
12:17.52Stephenthat sucks.
12:18.13dankolbHm....that's a good idea :)
12:18.20irvined_just because you can
12:18.30dankolbI'll do it when I get home, when I can connect with my Psion
12:19.19dankolbcell?
12:19.38Stephenand?
12:19.45dankolbibot lart Stephen
12:19.58Stephenibot lart dankolb
12:20.10Stephennice and simple :)
12:20.12murbis it only the americans that call it celluar telephony?
12:20.33Stephendunno
12:25.41dankolbibot lart BT Openwoe's webshite
12:30.16dankolbAh crap. WAP calls aren't included in the inclusive minutes
12:30.22dankolbibot lart Orange
12:33.41dankolbARGH. Fuck BT Internet very muchly
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12:42.48SPQRG'd afternoon
12:43.01dankolbhi
12:44.38SPQRdankolb: you missed a good gllug n saturday :)
12:44.56SPQR*on
12:45.20Huhnhi SPQR
12:45.23dankolbAh well
12:45.29SPQRHey Huhn :)
12:45.43dankolbAnything interesting happen?
12:46.23SPQRya, I had my light shirt on and we went to a movie and party after the pub part of the meeting
12:46.39SPQRohh ya. Jenson said you'd been to practice
12:47.10SPQRit was for the sax wasn't it?
12:48.15SPQRthx :)
12:48.37SPQRwhat 1 for ya self? you can buy them online if you're interested
12:48.41SPQR*want
12:48.50Huhnhow much are they?
12:49.25SPQR40 pounds. Well worth imo
12:49.57dankolbSPQR: Yup
12:50.13SPQRPlease excuse the bad grammer and all. I'm suffering from lack of sleep as I had to say good bye to my bro last night
12:50.44dankolbah. Is he settling into Aberdeen okay? Or haven't you heard from him yet?
12:51.20SPQRhe hasn't even arrived there yet. They only left at about 8 this morning
12:52.20SPQRhe'll be on irc when he gets there and has a few min :)
12:53.27Huhngood
12:53.34Huhndid he manage to pack all the hardware?
12:54.27dankolb:)
12:54.32dankolbHow's he getting there? Train?
12:54.53SPQRmost of it, though he he's left all his old pc's behind
12:55.00SPQRDad Taxi
12:55.31SPQRMom couldn't get days off to take him up ;)
12:55.32dankolbAh :)
12:55.51dankolbSo you bring the PCs next time you see him? :)
12:55.58Huhnlol
12:56.12SPQRyup :) if I have the space for it. They're quite big!!
12:56.29SPQRHe did take up his sparc 5 though
12:56.33dankolbCargo on the plane
12:56.37SPQRlol
12:56.40dankolbGood - he's got his hardware priorities right
12:56.46SPQRcarry on lugauge!!
12:56.51SPQRlol, true
12:57.39SPQRhe's actually asked me to play around on his Mac "  }->
12:57.46SPQR*mac 2
12:58.34dankolb:)
12:58.40SPQRWll be a prob to set it up in my room as I hardly have room for my pc
12:59.45dankolbThere's always space for tech
13:00.11SPQRyup yup. Even if I have to loose my bed for a while..
13:00.37dankolbYeah :)
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15:06.20dpashwhat da miss?
15:06.43dankolbNothing much
15:07.58dpashmore returned mails
15:08.20dpashneed to do something about it
15:09.09murbhmm london.pm
15:10.30dpashmurb: I don't think perl is going to help me with this. no matter where it is
15:16.11murbdpash: what is the problem?
15:16.23murbdpash: no i was wonder ing if people would be pming this evening or not?
15:16.25dpashspammers using my domain as a From:
15:16.34dpashie I get all the returned crap
15:17.49murbwhat was your domain?
15:17.56murband was it a local part you use?
15:20.53dpashdavidpashley.com
15:21.03dpashthey haven't used a localpart I use (yet)
15:21.18dpashthey are all random afaict
15:21.38dpashI can email you a tarball if you are interest
15:21.39dpashed
15:24.38murbdpash: do you know who the culpret is?
15:27.01dpashmurb: I have enough emails now to work it out
15:27.39dpashI have 39ish
15:27.49dpashI need to check if any are duplicates
15:28.00dpashmake that 40
15:28.02dpashgrrr
15:30.08dpashwebsite being advertised is xxxcorner.net
15:34.21SPQRsounds lie a porn problem.... You been browsing thier site have ya?? :P
15:35.02SPQR*like
15:35.09dpashFrom: snd_pcm_hw_params_get_tick_time@davidpashley.com
15:35.16dpashhmmm interesting
15:35.21dpashSPQR: nope
15:35.31dpashall the same website
15:35.37dpashall the same helo
15:35.45dpashdifferent IP addresses
15:37.25SPQRhmm...
15:37.47SPQRsome1 might like ya. Thats why they're using you're site :)
15:38.09SPQR*your
15:38.17dpashhmm new site
15:38.26dpashxxxstreet.net
15:38.49SPQRI've tried it out, doesn't look like anything's there  :/
15:39.32SPQRaccutaly, it was the other xxx site I tried
15:41.14SPQRgonna give that 1 a test :)
15:42.08SPQRdamn, forbidden access :(
15:42.45dpashRegistrant:
15:42.46dpash<PROTECTED>
15:42.46dpash<PROTECTED>
15:42.46dpash<PROTECTED>
15:42.46dpash<PROTECTED>
15:42.47dpash<PROTECTED>
15:42.50dpash<PROTECTED>
15:42.53dpash<PROTECTED>
15:43.39SPQRlol. Interesting!!
15:44.11SPQRfancy a trip to the Ukraine?
15:44.58dpashwe shall see what happens when we contact various people
15:45.34SPQRhehe
15:48.30dpashsp.200_155_12_10.webcable.com.br
15:48.33dpashinteresting
15:48.40dpashthe guys server is un brazil
15:50.12dpashoh and of course webcable.com.br doesn;t have an abuse, webmaster or a postmaster localpart
15:53.02Stephenheh
15:59.39SPQRyou can read spanish? (Or what ever the local brazilian langauge is)
16:00.17Huhnportuguese
16:00.25Huhn(spelling? :))
16:01.42SPQRlooks spainish is me...
16:02.10SPQRhmm... just checked it is portuguese. thats the spelling and the langauge they speak there
16:03.10SPQRthe things you learn :)
16:05.10SPQRit still looks very similar to spanish :)
16:07.29dankolbIt is
16:08.15SPQRso it is spaish or it's just similar? :P
16:08.26SPQR*spanish
16:09.17Stephenit's kinda similar
16:09.29dankolbSimilar
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16:13.25SPQRI'm trying different words from the site on a site that translates them, but no luck so far on wither spanish or portuguese
16:13.28HuhnSPQR: ask pdr, he should know :) (hi, Pete)
16:13.51SPQRlol, true. Espesialy after saturday ;)
16:14.30SPQRpdr: what language is this site in?  webcable.com.br
16:15.22dpashI think portuguese
16:15.48SPQRhmm..
16:17.15dpashhttp://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?url=http%3A//www.webcable.com.br/&lp=pt_en
16:18.29SPQRvery usefull, but still doesn't tell us the langauge.
16:19.02dpashbloody portuguese
16:19.19dpash( It reads our Contract )
16:19.21dpashLOL
16:19.27SPQRand the translation seems off in some places like 'canals'  :P
16:19.29SPQRlol
16:21.22dpashcanals - channels seems sensible
16:21.33SPQRyup
16:22.11SPQRbut I do know that you can do direct translations and thats the sort of thing you'll get
16:22.17Stephenyer, it is portugese
16:22.44SPQRcool
16:22.44Stephenbut I only know spanish, so I'm not going to be much help
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16:23.15SPQRlol, well they look similar. Do they read similar to you?
16:23.19SPQRwb zachary
16:23.30zacharyty
16:24.06SPQRyw
16:26.13Stephenyer, I could probably kinda translate some portugese, but it's a while since I even spoke spanish
16:27.52SPQRheh. I have the same prob with my second langauge. I haven't used it very often since I came here
16:35.41dpashso should I send an email to the guy in ukraine?
16:36.42SPQRyes, a very long 1....
16:36.55SPQRin 3 different languages...
16:37.17SPQRwith 1 or 2 more thrown in for luck
16:37.34dpashdo we know how to say "please stop using the davidpashley.com" domain
16:37.37dpashin russian
16:37.43dpashany russian speakers
16:38.10SPQR1 sec and I'll see what we can scrounge...
16:39.31dpashSPQR: why have you changed your nick?
16:39.48dpashwhat was wrong with A4266?
16:39.59dpashat least I know who you were then :)
16:41.06SPQRI can't get into the server at home so I'm using my alt nick :)
16:41.15SPQRlol
16:41.19dpashah okay
16:41.24SPQRwell you now know who else I am ;)
16:41.43dpasha guy with weird taste in clothes?
16:42.12SPQRweird!!! I like that shirt!! :P
16:42.28SPQRalso gets me lots of attention :D
16:42.48dpashesp from Jenson :)
16:43.00dpashping Huhn
16:43.16SPQRlol, her as well ;)
16:44.23dpashunless she has found the only two people in some kind of freak of nature
16:45.33SPQRonly 2 ppl in a freak of nature? or do ya mean the only 2 ppl who are freaks of nature? :P
16:45.42Huhnpong
16:45.47Huhnsorry, working
16:46.05Huhnwhat's with famous ppl?
16:46.06dpashin some kinda of freak of nature, Huhn has met the only two people in the world that think I am famous
16:46.15Huhnah :)
16:46.19SPQRohh, k...
16:46.37dpashHuhn: not sure how you've done it, but never mind :)
16:46.40murbdoesn't htat make you infamous?
16:46.40dankolbHometime
16:46.52dpashHuhn: can you give me a /msg when you stop working
16:46.59dpashbye dan
16:47.11SPQRcya dan
16:47.17dpashmurb: I think more people have to know me for me to informous
16:47.40murbdoes anyone read the gllug mailing list?
16:47.45dpashbut yeah, infamous is more approriate
16:47.47dpashmurb: yep
16:47.59murbOh i was just wondering, apparntly it is full of shit.
16:48.08murbI'm just having a peep
16:48.18dpashno, but people maon about the number of OT posts
16:48.40murbI lye, i'm going to london.pm
16:48.41murbnn
16:50.32dpashokay I'm going to email this guy in the Ukraine
16:54.19dpashanyone know where I can find a street map of Kiev?
16:54.31dpashmultimap.co.uk does not go far enough
16:55.47SPQRhmm.. 1 sec
16:56.46SPQRyou tried http://www.multimap.com ?
16:57.00SPQRIts got a bit more content :)
17:02.58SPQRRight, time for me to do the 'Making Tracks' thang and head on home pard'ners  :)
17:03.35dpashSPQR: did your borhter make it to Scotland?
17:03.54SPQRnot sure yet. Left my mobile at home and he han't rung here yet :(
17:04.23SPQR*hasn't
17:04.23dpashso he didn;t go up yesterday then?
17:04.23SPQRI do know they where going to stop at some family on the way up
17:04.43SPQRno, left this morning as my dad wasn't feeling to well yesterday
17:05.02SPQRanywaaaay. Later :)
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17:43.57dpashhi Tom
17:49.53resuDaedhi dpash
17:50.23dpashlag?
17:50.28dpashor afk
17:50.34dpashaki?
17:51.53resuDaedworking on another desktop
17:52.11resuDaed'aki'?
17:52.17dpashaway from irc
17:52.18dpash:)
17:52.57resuDaedk?
17:53.20dpashresuDaed: crapness from my direction I'm afraid
17:58.20resuDaed:-)
18:07.24dankolbEvening
18:09.47dpashhi
18:13.14dankolbOS X 10.2.5 is out :)
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18:13.49dankolbwb eye69
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18:32.33dpashanyone around?
18:33.13dankolbYeah
18:33.15dankolbI'm here
18:33.29dpashanyone else around?
18:33.30dpash:)
18:34.04dpashdankolb: how was your music thing?
18:34.59dankolb:-)
18:35.04dankolbThe music was good
18:35.15dpashwere you performing?
18:35.22dankolbYeah. Well, as part of a band.
18:35.31dankolbBit tiring - I hadn't played the Sax in about 6 months
18:36.16dpashmy ex was learning to play the sax
18:36.31dankolbIt's a cool instrument :)
18:37.12dankolbOne of the pieces we played was shit - no-one seemed to like it
18:37.42dpashthen why play it?
18:37.59dankolbBut the others were good - Shostakovich Festive Overture, medley from Les Mis, West Side Story symphonic dances, Schindler's List Theme arrangement
18:38.15dankolbit's the conductor's choice of music - probably because it has some technical merit. Or something
18:38.34dpashwooshing
18:38.44dankolbwhooshing
18:39.01dankolbthe conductor is the person who stands in front of the band/orchestra and waves theirs arms
18:39.04dankolb:)
18:40.07dankolbYou like it, don't you?
18:40.35dankolbLes Miserables and West Side Story are fairly famous musicals
18:40.43dpashyou forgot the "bitch"
18:40.49dankolbIs larting your bitch?
18:41.14dpash[19:40] < dankolb> You like it, don't you [bitch]?
18:41.49dankolb:-P
18:45.22dankolb"Life is like a sewer. What you get out of it depends on what you put into it"
18:45.51dpashhmmm
18:46.53dpashso should I stick with dpash for find something new?
18:46.58dpashs/for/or/
18:48.28dankolbYou want to change your nickname?
18:49.07dpashwell it is a bit crap and not very nicely pronounceable
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18:50.03dpashhi Jenson
18:50.09Jensonheya dpash
18:50.28dpashJenson: you are not 1000@foo anymore
18:50.30dpashwhat changed?
18:50.41JensonI'm in Win
18:50.45dpashah
18:50.56Jensonzimm has fixed it finally
18:51.00A4266evenin' folks
18:51.09dpashJenson: Debian?
18:51.09Jensonhey Alex
18:51.14dpashor still slack?
18:51.22JensonSlack
18:51.27dpashoh well
18:51.28JensonAlthough I have been using Debian at his
18:51.56JensonThe house smells like burning plastic, I'm not sure what zimm and my mother have done to the new grill, but it stinks
18:52.05A4266lol
18:52.13dpashburnt plastic?
18:52.18A4266platic bowls and soup maybe?
18:52.32resuDaedevening all
18:52.39Jensonhey resuDaed
18:52.40dpashhmm traffic
18:52.41A4266Yp Tom
18:52.51A4266on a monday??
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18:52.55dpashwhere have you all been for the last few hours
18:53.06dpashnow even rich is here
18:53.07A4266Tis the start of the week and you're ready to go out and drink?  :P
18:53.15A4266I was here :)
18:53.15dpashA4266: of course
18:53.24dpashjust very queit
18:53.27A4266lol
18:53.35resuDaedbsetbg seems to be able to scale down, but not up
18:53.37resuDaed:-(
18:53.37dankolbOoh. Life.
18:53.38A4266watching a bit of telly :)
18:53.44Jensondpash: At home, trying to distract zimm from Win 98...then I gave up, and found out that one HD I thought was dead acrually has anice clean Win 98 install on it
18:53.49Jensonhey Dan
18:54.16A4266Jenson: that means its dead anyway  :P
18:54.33JensonA4266: lol but I can install something like Debian on it now
18:54.41resuDaedJenson : wise choice
18:54.52dankolbDumb choice
18:54.54A4266Jenson: true :)
18:54.56resuDaedword of advice, stick to sid
18:55.05JensonresuDaed: yeh, wiser than going to the pub me thinks
18:55.05dankolbHurd.
18:55.08resuDaeddankolb :p
18:55.16dankolbBe hardcore
18:55.36JensonI wonder if zimm has a Debian disc with him
18:56.06resuDaedJenson : plug into a broadband connection, and use eye69s iso (http://upcore.net/debian)
18:56.21A4266I've got a gentui disk somewhere
18:56.29resuDaedo/wise you need somewhere in the region of 7/8 cds
18:56.33dankolbA4266: Gentoo?
18:56.45resuDaedgrrr to bsetbg
18:56.52dpashresuDaed: why not sarge?
18:57.03resuDaednever tried it
18:57.13resuDaedtherefore cannot recommend
18:57.23A4266dankolb : Ya thats the 1
18:57.41Jensondankolb: How was band practice?
18:57.56A4266Hyperness is riff in the young!!
18:57.58dankolbibot lart Leeds
18:58.06dpashresuDaed: probably safer
18:58.06A4266lol
18:58.09LeedsresuDaed: I suggest imagemagick and script it
18:58.13dankolbBand was good
18:58.33resuDaeddoes anyone know a command line tool for resizing jpegs?
18:58.45dpashresuDaed: convert
18:58.52Jenson|zimm|AFKDinner time!
18:58.52resuDaedibot lart Jenson|zimm|AFK
18:58.56resuDaed(for long nick)
18:59.00LeedsresuDaed: why weren't you in my talk?
18:59.02Jenson|zimm|AFKheh right
18:59.06dankolbYeah. Change your nick or logout
18:59.09Jenson|zimm|AFKLeeds: I was :D
18:59.16dpashJenson: not you
18:59.24resuDaedLeeds : was resuBitches 18th, was lucky to get to the pub
18:59.29Jenson|zimm|AFKheh dankolb whatever
18:59.32dpashresuDaed: wasn't there and if he was would have known about convert
18:59.34LeedsJenson|zimm|AFK: in which case you know how to resize images, right?
18:59.36dankolbwhatever to you too
19:00.00Jenson|zimm|AFKLeeds: Not sure I can remember, havent used Linux today yet
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19:00.24resuDaedconvert?
19:00.33dpashresuDaed: part of imagemagick
19:00.33LeedsresuDaed: yes
19:00.36Jenson|zimm|AFKdankolb: aww why?
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19:01.04dpashresuDaed: install imagemagick and you will get convert command
19:01.07resuDaedin an apt-getable package?
19:01.09dpashit is stupidly powerful
19:01.14dpashresuDaed: yep
19:01.26dpashimagemagick: /usr/bin/convert
19:02.08dankolbLeeds: ./configure && make install ?
19:02.13dpashLeeds: we don't but it is available
19:02.22resuDaedLeeds : we dont, but it saves time
19:02.23Leedsdankolb: exactly :-)
19:02.28dpashso why bother compiling it ourselves
19:02.44dankolbdpash: /etc/init.d/sendmail stop (and then wait a week before restarting)
19:02.55dankolbWoot. 10.2.5 has installed
19:02.56dpashdankolb: that isn;t going to help
19:02.59dankolbBRB
19:03.05eye69dpash: Ahhh, thanks. Been using auto-apt up until now. dlocate seems to be faster
19:03.06resuDaed<PROTECTED>
19:03.10dankolbdpash: Yeah - 1 week timeout - all the bounces will be bounced
19:03.23dpashdankolb: I'm not an MX
19:03.26dpashyet
19:03.41dpashdankolb: and what happens to all the mainling lists I'm on?
19:03.49dankolbHrm
19:03.52dankolbDunno
19:03.53dankolbAnyway
19:04.10dpashso it was a shit suggestion then :)
19:04.56resuDaedis anyone leeching my mp3s (if so say now, apache is about to be killed)
19:05.14dpashwhat are MP3s?
19:05.31A4266hmm... bad question...
19:05.43A4266try another 1 dpash :P
19:05.43resuDaeddon't know, I just store about 8Gb of them in my home/httpd/mp3 folder
19:05.46StephenresuDaed: was, but just finished thanks
19:05.57dpashnight all
19:06.04A4266g'night
19:06.18resuDaedStephen : you at Ox Brookes?
19:06.43A4266dpash : Now don't be a stranger ;)
19:06.46Leedsso, anyone want to tell me, since 60 seconds on the website didn't...  does Knoppix have gcc + libraries/headers?
19:06.51StephenresuDaed: indeed
19:07.10dpashA4266: hmmm
19:07.14resuDaedexplains logs then
19:08.42zacharyLeeds: I believe 3.1 does, not sure about 3.2.
19:09.14dpashjemm
19:09.15dpash?
19:09.21jimmgrrr
19:09.23resuDaedibot lart jimm
19:09.25jimmthats zimm ignore him
19:09.27jimmBBL
19:09.34resuDaedfor using confusing nicks
19:09.37Leedszachary: thanks
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19:10.12A4266ibot lart A4266
19:10.18zacharyLeeds: I'll reboot into knoppix 3.2 and give you a definate answer.
19:10.23A4266yay :D Always wanted that!!
19:10.26zacharybrb, bye
19:12.37resuDaedlaters all, must sleep
19:13.02A4266at this time of the night?
19:13.15A4266Oh ya, ya didn't get much sleep last night...
19:13.22A4266or so I heard ;)
19:13.23resuDaedA4266 : or the night before
19:13.29A4266lol
19:13.49A4266cya resuDaed
19:14.27resuDaedwe were woken @ 8.30 on Sun Morning, and I was meant to be up at 6.30 this morning (actually slept till 7.50, but still)
19:15.38A4266why so early?
19:17.29Stephenno rest for the wicked ;)
19:17.34A4266heh
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19:18.54zachary_knoppixLeeds: Knoppix 3.2 does have gcc, what libs did you want specifically?
19:19.12Leedszachary_knoppix: well, gtk2 and friends would be a good start...
19:19.35Leedsand does it have mysql by any chance?
19:19.55Leeds(much appreciated, by the way - I'm going to be at the parents for a few days, and it'd be nice to code there :-)
19:20.03A4266hm.. just got a weird email...
19:20.18zachary_knoppixdoes debian have a shortcut method for finding installed packages?
19:20.31A4266From:   <@UNKNOWN>, <UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR.>
19:21.25LeedsA4266: remember that any headers like that are purely under the control of the sending user-agent...
19:22.09Leedszachary_knoppix: I dunno :-)  I'm downloading it, but it's going to be a few hours...
19:22.26A4266hmm.. well there was no body to the email.... Badly setup spam program?
19:22.58Leedscould well be
19:23.27A4266well I'm not worried about it and its now gon the way of lost packets :)
19:23.33A4266*gone
19:23.38Leedsheh...  mail->bitbucket :-)
19:24.12zachary_knoppixLeeds: it has libs for gtk & gtk-2.0 but headers only for gtk-1.2
19:24.20Leedsugh...
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19:25.11Leedsoh well, I can work around that... I'll set myself up with a persistent home on their HDD anyway - the headers can go there :-)
19:26.23dankolbBack
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19:34.06Leedszachary: thanks
19:34.14zacharyLeeds: np
19:35.35Leedsmy mum has been talking to me about setting up some custom software for a charity institution she's involved with...  I want to impress her by writing it (or at least a prototype) over the weekend on her machine :-)
19:35.53dankolbYes. In Whitespace.
19:35.54dankolb:)
19:36.07Leedsha ha
19:36.11LeedsC and/or Python
19:36.56Leedsbut there's no gtk-python there, which could make it fun
19:37.14dankolbTCL/TK
19:37.38Leedscould be... gtk is a lot prettier
19:37.57Leedsand I've not done any tcl/tk in years...
19:38.21LeedsI suppose I could add to the 'impressive achievements' bit and learn pyqt while I'm at it :-)  but I refuse to use C++
19:39.02dankolbWrite a wrapper...
19:40.09Leedshuh?
19:41.28Leedswrite a wrapper in what?
19:42.53dankolbPerl :-P
19:43.02dankolbEverything can be written in Perl. Obviously. :)
19:44.04Leedslump Perl in with C++ above :-P
19:44.19dankolbSmalltalk?
19:44.26Leedsum, no
19:45.15LeedsI do C, Python and shell :-)
19:46.51dankolbNot even Brainfuck?
19:47.04Leedsnope
19:47.15dankolbLearn it, boy! :-)
19:47.31LeedsI have done tcl in the past... and studied various other languages at Uni
19:54.02dankolb:-)
19:54.07dankolbAny weird and wonderful ones?
19:55.26Leedsprolog, miranda are the ones which stand out... oh, and some SQL ;-)
19:56.38Leedswe had a big scandal - we had an assignment in prolog and miranda, and a large majority of the year cheated from exactly the same answer... which had a silly mistake in it
19:56.47dankolbBah. SQL isn't a proper programming language :)
19:56.53Leedswe all got called into a lecture room and the dean had a go at us :-)
19:56.55dankolbHeh. Oops.
19:56.59dankolbDid you cheat?
19:57.15LeedsI hadn't copied *that* bit, so I got a mark... everyone who'd obviously cheated got 0
19:57.41Leedsit was a silly enough mistake that the code wouldn't compile... so it was pretty obvious
19:58.15dankolbAnd no-one tested their code?
19:58.28Leedsthis was when it was new a cool for people to have a 'net connection in halls - only a few people had it, and one of them put their paper up on their machine :-)
19:58.54Leedsright - everyone just handed it in - a few changed some of the variable names and stuff, but it still wouldn't work
19:59.37dankolbHehe.
20:00.27Leedsit was something like the language (I can't remember which one) needed the same number of returns from a function as parameters... and one of them had 4 parameters and 3 returns
20:00.28stephen`yer, I could do that too, but it'd only be accessible from other computers in halls, not the rest of the uni. and world
20:00.51dankolbBetter than nowt, stephen` :)
20:01.09LeedsI think it may have been Uni-only... but this was 6+ years ago...
20:01.11stephen`yer, not that anyone would ever find my machine
20:01.19dankolbAh well
20:01.37Leedsthe IP address was being handed around :-)  and it really was someone's paper, not a honeypot
20:01.48dankolbHehe.
20:01.59Leedsthen again...
20:02.09stephen`and I might even put a router in, so it'd be even harder :-)
20:02.48Leedsone of my mates, his wife is a teacher... there was one kid, a few weeks back, handed in an essay... he put a phrase from it into Google and it came back word-for-word... kid got expelled (not just for that, it was the straw which broke the back)
20:03.34dankolbCheating never works
20:03.45dankolbWell, not in the long run
20:03.49Leedswell, not often, anyway >:-)
20:04.15stephen`and unis now have software that checks essays for similarities and stuff, which is there's the move to submit work electronically
20:04.43stephen`I honestly doubt that it has anything to do with using less paper, toner and stuff
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20:04.57Leedsso there was one other time... (in 1997)...
20:05.05Leedswe had to do a C program, and a Makefile for it
20:05.34Leedsand the lecturer had an automated tool which ran make, then used standard tests on the C program...
20:06.35Leedsone of my mates got into trouble because he'd written it at home, but hadn't bothered with a Makefile...  the automated thing would build it in that case, but using cc (hpux) rather than gcc (which is what he'd used at home)
20:06.39Leedsit wouldn't build with cc :-)
20:07.02stephen`ouch
20:07.09dankolbOops :)
20:07.22dankolbWell, actually, more 'ouch' than oops
20:07.37Leedsthe other thing was that I'd done the work...
20:08.08stephen`I have a 'C and UNIX' course next term, but, I think we'll be using cygwin on win98, instead of real UNIX or even Linux
20:08.11Leedsand given a copy of my stuff to a couple of (less C-oriented) mates... and then went on holiday
20:08.28stephen`ibot lart Oxford Brookes University
20:08.31Leedsand the bastards handed my work in... so we all got 0!
20:08.57LeedsI was in Jo'burg, went to an Internet cafe in a mall, read my mail only to find I was being done for cheating
20:09.44Leedsthey did say they'd gone to the lecturer to say that *I'd* done the work and they'd copied it, and I should get marked for it... bastard ignored them...
20:10.31Leedsthis was the lecturer who, when I went to him and said I was interviewing for a UNIX job and did he have any advice/cheat sheets, told me to go away and read my lecure notes...
20:10.46stephen`lecturer here told us about an incident where an international student left their computer logged on, and someone used it to send a whole pile of abusive mail to members of staff.  The first thing the poor student knew was when they were dragged before a disciplinary hearing
20:11.51stephen`Leeds: bastard indeed
20:12.19Leedsthe same guy who handed my stuff in was thrown off the comp. sci. network for a week... we were walking down the hall, he was boasting he'd cracked the network... the BOFH was walking along behind us :-)
20:12.35LeedsMy mum says hi! :-)  (on IM)
20:12.51stephen`hi leed's mum :)
20:12.56dankolbHi Leeds' mum
20:14.23stephen`I haven't actually come across the BOFHs here much.  Though I had to go to get a UNIX account (as opposed to the Win account everyone gets) and I also went and pleaded with them to change my default shell, as I honestly can't stand csh
20:14.34Leedsstephen': anyway - doesn't look like I needed it, since I'm currently a engineer at a big UNIX vendor (having been laid off from another one 3 years back) and about to move into kernel work :-)
20:15.15stephen`no, doesn't look like it, I see your point Leeds :)
20:15.36dankolbecho bash >> .cshrc
20:15.37dankolb:)
20:16.05stephen`dankolb: yes, but, I wanted absolutely nothing to do with csh if possible
20:16.08LeedsI got on quite well with our BOFHs... they helped me with my project, gave me as much quota as I needed, etc.
20:16.51stephen`we get 3 meg on Win and 3 meg on UNIX, but ... we get a 5mb web space allowance, which is simply daft
20:16.59dankolbstephen`: Fairynuff
20:17.18Leeds3 Meg??? I think I used about 50 :-)
20:17.49dankolbYour code should have been more efficient
20:18.13stephen`that's why it's quite nice that I can ssh to my home machine from the SUN machines, but not from the windows machines unfortunately
20:18.25dankolbPuTTY ?
20:18.40stephen`dankolb: firewall
20:18.46Leedsdankolb: I was using a pretty nice neural net system... which was GPLed about 3 weeks before I started my project - cost about $1500 before that :-)
20:19.06dankolbNice :)
20:19.10dankolbAnd handy
20:19.13Leedsstephen': why would you want to use Windows toys instead of Sun machines anyway?
20:19.20dankolbSun toys?
20:19.29Leedsdankolb: watch it!
20:19.38dankolbSome of them are
20:19.48dankolbAre they throwing out any machines?
20:20.07dankolbOOI, how many Windows machines are around at Sun?
20:20.23stephen`Leeds: I wouldn't, just that I shouldn't really even be using the SUN machines during my first year, all programming up till now has been done using delphi
20:21.00Leedsdankolb: a few laptops... development machines in places like Java and StarOffice...
20:21.19dankolbSo not that many, then?
20:21.38dankolbWhat about in the Manglement side, though?
20:21.42Leedsthere are plenty in some areas... very few in Solaris engineering :-)
20:21.51Leedsnope, most managers just use Solaris ;-)
20:22.00dankolbClued Manglers?
20:22.01dankolbEek
20:22.19Leedsto be fair, quite a few have a Windows box or laptop... for running MS Project
20:22.34Leedsbut they *don't* use it for their desktops
20:22.36dankolb*thpppt*
20:22.41Leedsalso a few Macs around...
20:22.43dankolbMS Project--
20:22.55dankolbSun's a large enough company to write their own Project software
20:23.26dankolbwb Huhn
20:23.38Leedsit's not a particularly profitable area, I think
20:23.43Huhnty dankolb
20:24.18dankolbYes, but compared to what they'd save by then not paying the MS Levy
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20:25.18new2unixhi all :)
20:25.31Leedsregardless of how the StarOffice purchase may look :-)  I don't think that's company policy... anyway, it's not like we're paying Windows+Office licenses for desktops/developers, etc...
20:25.36dankolbhi new2unix
20:25.45new2unixhi dakolb
20:26.07zacharyevening Huhn, new2unix.
20:26.23new2unixOops! that was meant to be dankolb. i guess ive got sticky fingers or keys
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20:26.46new2unixhello Zachary
20:27.42new2unixIve just unsubscribed from the mailing list. I feel lighter already.
20:27.54dankolbToo much email for you?
20:28.09Leedstoo much crap for you?
20:28.20new2unixtoo much woddle to waddle thru. but i'll be checking the achives every now and again.
20:29.27dankolbthere's far more crap going on on IRC
20:29.44new2unixbut thats what you expect from irc.
20:30.10dankolbVarying levels of crap...
20:30.14new2unixirC.  the C is most prominent :)
20:30.50dankolbTrue
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20:43.37ClyphoxHi all
20:43.45new2unixhi there
20:43.47ClyphoxI'm living in Aberdeen now :-)
20:43.51Clyphoxheya new2unix
20:44.05dankolbHi Clyphox!
20:44.06new2unixwhere were you living before?
20:44.28ClyphoxLondon..
20:44.32Clyphoxhey dan
20:44.42dankolbHow're you settling in?
20:44.48Clyphoxsheesh.. 592 emails..
20:45.00LeedsClyphox: been offline for a few hours? :-)
20:45.01Clyphoxdankolb: not unpacked yet..
20:45.28ClyphoxLeeds: sad but true.. about 11:07 roughly
20:45.36dankolbah. Alex said you took your SS5
20:45.39Clyphoxmanaged to avoid downtime too
20:45.45Clyphoxdankolb: Yeah baby
20:46.18ClyphoxJust saying hi.. got to go and eat/drink/sleep now..
20:46.39ClyphoxMoved well over 200 kilo's of computers up 3 flights hehe
20:46.50ClyphoxNot counting monitors/printer
20:46.53Clyphoxcyas..
20:47.02dankolbC'ya
20:47.03new2unixyou running an isp or something? why so many/heavy?
20:47.09dankolbCatch you later
20:47.24new2unixbye Cyphox
20:47.49stephen`new2unix: more the merrier :-) and those SPARCStations are actually pretty heavy for their size
20:47.54Clyphoxnew2unix: I proberbly over exadurate.. only 4 machines.. (I like computers)
20:48.30new2unixi kjnow the feeling. i have 6 with me at the mo.
20:48.48Leedseh - old stuff...
20:48.55Leedsthe new stuff is much more flimsy :-)
20:49.23stephen`really?
20:49.24new2unixand many more off to the skip soon. theyre at work. p75 and others. some working others arent.
20:49.53dankolbnew2unix: Can I have a Sparc?
20:49.54Leedsnah, not really :-)
20:50.23new2unixno spacs. but we have about a dozen apples if you want one?
20:50.31dankolbApple whats?
20:50.39dankolbstephen`: You know I'd take it...
20:50.50Leedsapples?
20:51.28new2unixcant remember. will find out tomorrow. but we upgraded all our apples to G3's and then some to G4's so they are pre G3's whateve that may be (not an apple person)
20:51.57stephen`dankolb: nah you wouldn't, cos I stripped the processor out of it, and it never had any RAM anyway.  I think the disk has gone as well.
20:52.20dankolbhttp://www.ozyandmillie.org/2003/om20030403.html
20:52.27dankolbBah. :(
20:52.39dankolbnew2unix: I might be interested...
20:52.49Leedsnew2unix: me too :-0
20:54.04new2unixcool. i'll be back sometime tomorrow with more details with our dumpster inventory
20:55.00dankolb:)
20:55.02dankolbExcelllllent
20:55.15Leedsmmmm   Apple
20:55.52new2unixwhy would you want a rotten apple anyway?
20:56.01dankolbApples are much nicer than PCs
20:56.10LeedsApples are different from PCs
20:56.29zacharygood night!
20:58.25dankolbBwah. Userfriendly seems to be fucked
20:58.49new2unixcompromised or just fscked?
20:59.30LeedsDNS not working,
20:59.33LeedsAFAICT
20:59.44dankolb'whois userfriendly.org'
20:59.47dankolbNot just DNS :(
21:01.04Leedshmm
21:03.32Leedsum, whois seems to work for me
21:04.02dankolbbash-2.05a$ whois userfriendly.org
21:04.02dankolbWhois Server Version 1.3
21:04.02dankolbDomain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
21:04.02dankolbwith many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
21:04.02dankolbfor detailed information.
21:04.04dankolbNo match for "USERFRIENDLY.ORG".
21:04.21new2unixsame here "No match for "USERFRIENDLY.ORG"."
21:04.33LeedsDomain ID:D3913205-LROR
21:04.34LeedsDomain Name:USERFRIENDLY.ORG
21:04.34LeedsCreated On:04-Aug-1998 04:00:00 UTC
21:04.34LeedsLast Updated On:05-Jun-2002 15:11:45 UTC
21:04.34LeedsExpiration Date:03-Aug-2003 04:00:00 UTC
21:04.35LeedsSponsoring Registrar:R11-LROR
21:07.31dankolbHm
21:07.45dankolbBack in 30 min
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21:12.50new2unixhi cupis
21:12.55cupishi
21:29.36new2unixbye all
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21:38.01dankolbQuiet here...
21:38.15Leedswhere?
21:38.23dankolb#gllug
21:41.04dpashhi all
21:41.17dankolbHi dpash-with-the-same-nickname-still
21:47.28dpashcupis: ping
21:47.36cupisdpash: pong
21:47.53dpashsearch for new nick
21:48.05dpashcos I'm bored of this one
21:48.15dankolbHEHEHEH!
21:48.19cupisdpash: you want new nick? try apg(1)
21:49.05dankolb:)
21:49.05dankolb:-)
21:49.06dankolb:)
21:49.56cupisdpash: how about 'milton'?
21:50.00wank_dorknah. I like wank_dork
21:50.10wank_dorkas in keynes?
21:50.20cupisyeah
21:50.32cupislol. pot, kettle, black
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21:53.11cupisdpash: Norman Bates?
21:53.29dpashnope
21:54.11dpashokay got it
21:56.31dpashmaybe I haven't
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22:01.53cupisJD?
22:02.05JDyep
22:02.13cupisJack Daniels?
22:02.17JDany problem with that?
22:02.19JDcupis: nope
22:02.27cupisnope
22:02.58cupisJD: so why JD?
22:03.09JDbecause
22:03.34JDwho
22:03.52cupisJD: Wetherspoons?
22:04.05JDnope
22:04.05dankolbSomeone called John Davie - founded the High Wycombe Music Centre, and lots of other bands
22:04.20dankolbBut I wouldn't expect you to know him, unless you've been involved with music around here
22:04.21JDnothing to do with me
22:05.24dankolb<PROTECTED>
22:05.43dankolb:)
22:07.33dankolb:)
22:10.10JDalthough I do have dpash.me.uk and dpash.co.uk registered :(
22:10.21JDnot that I have used them at all
22:10.33dankolbdpash.info? :)
22:10.53JDnope
22:11.11JDand sadly I won't get jd.me.uk
22:13.51JDfecking IE popups
22:14.12JDso is anyone up to the challenge of working out where JD comes from?
22:14.27JDor giving me reasons why JD is crap
22:14.35JDis a crap nick
22:14.42cupisTenessee?
22:15.07JD*shut up*
22:16.34LeedsJust David?
22:16.36JDhaving said that I'll drink southern comfort
22:16.41JDLeeds: nope
22:16.55LeedsJD: yup
22:17.39LeedsJewish Dentist?
22:17.55JDnope
22:18.19LeedsJangly Debian?
22:18.33JDdamn you found me out :(
22:21.01Leedslwn, I'd imagine if you e-mail and ask nicely they'd do it :-)
22:21.08Leeds<PROTECTED>
22:21.19Leedsk5, somewhere in the middle
22:22.47JDthere is already a jd /. user
22:22.48dankolb'night all
22:22.52JDand the git has a lower number than me
22:22.58JDnight dan
22:23.26JDand still active
22:24.41LeedsJD: higher number than me...
22:24.44Leedsnight dankolb
22:25.04JDLeeds: you need to get out more :)
22:25.21LeedsI was using it long before they *had* accounts
22:29.04Leedsidle lips do the devils whistling
22:32.05JDprobably
22:32.09LeedsJD: re: webproxies... there are a bunch of them on our network, and some wacky Germans wrote a PAC which chooses the quickest of them at any time, automatically
22:34.02JDLeeds: I'd be interested in seeing that PAC if you can get it for me
22:34.43LeedsI can't remember where it is...
22:34.53LeedsI'll try to track it down
22:36.38JDcool
22:38.01Leeds32 minutes to my knoppix download
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22:43.15JDtrying so hard to be the nex Crouching Dragon or Matrix
22:43.25JDbut failing
22:43.37JDwith god damn awful camera work
22:48.18JDnot much better, but better nontheless
22:48.58Leedsit's funny...
22:50.56JDfilm was produced by Jet Li and Mel Gibson
22:51.25Leedsyeah... I saw a trailer... I don't have any movie channels apart from Film Four
22:51.48Leedsoh fucking buggery bollocks!
22:52.22Leedsbugger bugger bugger arse!
22:52.49JDwhat?
22:52.50Leeds(work stuff)
22:54.38LeedsI putback a load of stuff to our central build today... including the Ogg Vorbis libraries...
22:55.01Leedsand I forgot that the way I did it means that the libraries need to be installed on the build box in order to build as part of an official build
22:55.40Leedswe separate our 'working' build machines from our 'official' ones... so I installed them on the working machines while I was working on it, but forgot to install on the official machines once I'd committed
22:55.43Leedsbugger
22:55.50Leedsso the build is broken tonight :-(
23:09.01Leedsand Knoppix is here! ;-)
23:11.14JDand also needs to go to bed
23:15.05Leedsoh, bugger fuck arse crap I'm a stupid fucking idiot
23:16.09Leedsand ibot's back so he's logging this
23:18.51Leedsso do I try to fix it now or leave it for the morning?
23:24.29murbleave it to the morning
23:25.03murbi had lots of hastle toeysterday about wanting me to finsih a project that required a deadline of today and lots of new requirepemtns this morning + lots of abuse
23:25.48LeedsI've got a deadline of Thursday, but I'm off work on Wed/Thurs... so my deadline is close of Tues
23:27.04murbI'm tired, annoyed and without acholcol. i should sleep
23:27.30Leedsso why the fuck does libvorbis want to link its libraries against libogg.a?  static libraries are a little archaic///
23:27.35murb(i'm not going to talk about how our leased line was cut off or our general lack of connectivity and how it makes setting up a server in luxembourg difficult, so i won't)
23:28.04murbLeeds: just because solaris doesn't belive in that sort of thing...
23:28.35Leedsum, right... I'm part of Solaris engineering
23:31.53Leedsanyway - you're right... I'm going to leave it to the morning
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