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| 04:16.18 | dummy | hey guys |
| 08:10.04 | dankolb_ | Bl\h |
| 08:10.07 | dankolb_ | Blah even |
| 08:10.10 | dankolb_ | Or morning :) |
| 08:14.43 | JD | morning |
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| 08:16.18 | SPQR | mornin' |
| 08:19.03 | dankolb | Hi JD, SPQR |
| 08:20.55 | SPQR | Hey Dan |
| 08:22.25 | SPQR | did you have any luck with the other emails yesterday? |
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| 08:22.47 | dummy | anyone awake? |
| 08:22.50 | SPQR | no |
| 08:22.59 | JD | SPQR: first email I've sent |
| 08:23.26 | SPQR | k |
| 08:23.27 | dummy | somethign weird happened i just built the 2.4.20 kernel and im on it....i mounted a cd and it truncated the name of the files with the ls output |
| 08:23.33 | JD | same here, but I've got to drive to Chelmsford |
| 08:23.57 | dankolb | dummy: Did you build in Joliet and RockRidge extensions? |
| 08:24.08 | dummy | no |
| 08:24.10 | SPQR | JD : sounds like fun :) |
| 08:24.12 | dankolb | The standard ISO9660 only allows for 8.3 filenames |
| 08:24.16 | dankolb | dummy: You should have |
| 08:24.25 | dummy | umm |
| 08:24.34 | dummy | that comes udnet ATA/IDe options? |
| 08:24.39 | dankolb | under filesystems |
| 08:24.41 | dummy | *under |
| 08:24.45 | dummy | i seee |
| 08:25.06 | dummy | cuz the file is like [mk]dummy.343.45435.avi and it shows dummy.avi |
| 08:25.18 | dummy | is that what ur talkin about? |
| 08:25.35 | dankolb | Yes |
| 08:25.43 | dummy | i see thnk you |
| 08:25.59 | dankolb | The long filename breaks the ISO9660 (High Sierra?) file system |
| 08:26.18 | dankolb | So the Unix extensions are Rock Ridge, to allow permissions and long filenames |
| 08:26.24 | dummy | i see |
| 08:26.27 | dankolb | MS used their own Joliet extensions for long filenames |
| 08:26.30 | dummy | was unaware of that |
| 08:26.55 | dummy | well im gonna ahve to rebuild? or is there an easier way |
| 08:27.10 | dankolb | Not sure. You might have to rebuild |
| 08:27.18 | dankolb | Or rebuild a modul |
| 08:27.21 | dankolb | module |
| 08:27.32 | dummy | yeah i could try that |
| 08:28.45 | dummy | thnks brb |
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| 08:40.10 | dummy | yeah dankolb that didnt work oddly enuff |
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| 08:40.20 | dankolb | Ah well |
| 08:40.23 | dankolb | Recompile |
| 08:40.27 | dummy | i did |
| 08:40.57 | dummy | CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y |
| 08:40.57 | dummy | CONFIG_JOLIET=y |
| 08:40.57 | dummy | CONFIG_ZISOFS=y |
| 08:41.49 | dankolb | Should be a CONFIG_RRsomething ? |
| 08:42.42 | dummy | dont see any RR |
| 08:43.20 | dankolb | Or ROCKsomething ? |
| 08:43.33 | dummy | CONFIG_RAMFS=y |
| 08:43.47 | dummy | # CONFIG_ROMFS_FS is not set |
| 08:43.52 | dummy | those are the only R's |
| 08:44.11 | dummy | besides reiser |
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| 08:46.49 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 08:49.29 | SPQR | morning |
| 08:51.07 | dummy | anyways thnks dankolb i need tos leep |
| 08:51.08 | dummy | peace |
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| 08:57.38 | nasrat | morning |
| 08:57.52 | jason_ukfsn | hey nasrat |
| 09:03.21 | SPQR | hi nasrat |
| 09:25.35 | dankolb | hi |
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| 10:46.45 | SPQR | ahhhh!! How do I turn off auto ignore?? |
| 10:47.03 | dankolb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.13 | SPQR | cheers!! |
| 10:47.31 | dankolb | *use irssi* |
| 10:47.31 | dankolb | :) |
| 10:47.44 | SPQR | :) |
| 10:47.47 | dankolb | You might need to also set /ignore <foo> none |
| 10:48.08 | SPQR | I've never really use Bitchx b4. I'm used to other win32 irc scripts |
| 10:48.21 | SPQR | good point |
| 10:51.07 | SPQR | Clyphox, you still there? |
| 10:51.38 | Clyphox | SPQR: I'm talking to you.. |
| 10:51.47 | Clyphox | an I on /ignore? |
| 10:51.49 | Clyphox | er am |
| 10:51.56 | SPQR | I'm still not getting the msg's.... |
| 10:52.11 | Clyphox | log into cheshunt and do a dmesg |
| 10:52.20 | Clyphox | Looks like HDC is fscked |
| 10:52.21 | SPQR | I've checked the ingorence list, but its empty... |
| 10:52.51 | SPQR | 1 sec.. |
| 10:52.57 | Clyphox | Get their DSL sorted too.. going down every minutre or so |
| 10:53.06 | SPQR | it won't even let me log in... |
| 10:53.12 | Clyphox | I gotta go.. phone me if you can |
| 10:53.21 | SPQR | when? now or what? |
| 10:53.34 | Clyphox | your call.. my work is done for now |
| 10:54.14 | SPQR | whoa!! I see what you mean about hdc... |
| 10:54.34 | Clyphox | there are also st error btw.. |
| 10:54.41 | SPQR | Clyphox : we've got to setup the emails for the rest of them still... |
| 10:54.54 | SPQR | 3 of them left |
| 10:55.20 | Clyphox | SPQR: I just got here.. I am not doing ANY work today.. I bloody havn't even got my hub going.. |
| 10:55.39 | Clyphox | You must get a list of users today ok? |
| 10:56.10 | SPQR | k. I'll get on it now and hope to hell that satifises the italian pony.... |
| 10:57.05 | Clyphox | What does he expect.. me to fix his shit before I plug my computers in.. naah.. |
| 10:57.36 | Clyphox | SPQR: join the |
| 10:57.40 | Clyphox | SPQR: er |
| 10:57.47 | Clyphox | SPQR: the #lanc room |
| 10:58.26 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.49 | JD | hi all |
| 11:00.56 | Tarragon | Hi |
| 11:01.22 | JD | Tarragon: I took your advice |
| 11:07.08 | JD | Tarragon: how is your machine? |
| 11:07.13 | JD | rebuilt? |
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| 11:08.18 | Tarragon | Rebuilding now. I pulled the HD so hopefully we can do an IDS at a GLLUG meeting. |
| 11:08.37 | JD | sounds fun :) |
| 11:08.42 | JD | hi formi |
| 11:08.53 | JD | how was your march on Saturday? |
| 11:10.36 | Tarragon | JD - What advice? When I tell others they should really kill people I might just be joking. |
| 11:11.00 | JD | Tarragon: do a whois |
| 11:13.16 | formi | hi dpash |
| 11:13.46 | Tarragon | JD still don't folow |
| 11:13.46 | formi | hi everybody but ibot |
| 11:13.58 | formi | ibot: seen ibot |
| 11:14.02 | | formi: i haven't seen 'ibot' |
| 11:14.20 | murb | oh a loggging monster |
| 11:14.32 | murb | ibot, what did your lord and master say last night? |
| 11:14.32 | | bugger all, i dunno, murb |
| 11:14.54 | formi | i actually don't get why the * there is a bot in here |
| 11:15.43 | JD | which is great if I wanted to look 14 |
| 11:15.50 | dankolb | And not get served... |
| 11:18.35 | JD | exactly |
| 11:19.09 | JD | I should perhaps of done something already |
| 11:19.50 | JD | I do have a picture in my head for it |
| 11:22.05 | JD | anyone know anywhere decent to get food from in Chelmsford? |
| 11:24.07 | JD | anyone here? |
| 11:24.56 | dankolb | But not in Chelmsford |
| 11:25.24 | dankolb | Heh |
| 11:32.44 | formi | dankolb: im having an odd issue with FBSD and Red Rat, when i rsync not everything is synced properly |
| 11:33.43 | formi | original files are in RR, got any idea why this is happening? Could it be the lack of "root" group in FBSD |
| 11:33.49 | JD | are you using the same version of rsync? |
| 11:34.14 | formi | does it matter? |
| 11:34.30 | JD | could be a cross-version bug |
| 11:36.19 | formi | i would doubt it |
| 11:36.56 | JD | it it just putting the copied files into the wrong group? |
| 11:38.37 | formi | yes |
| 11:39.53 | formi | obviously as there is no "root" group in FBSD, now I would like to know if I would solve the problem just by creating a "root" group |
| 11:40.17 | JD | what group does it put it in? |
| 11:41.08 | JD | and are they the same gid? |
| 11:42.14 | formi | drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 512B Apr 14 19:33 .. |
| 11:42.15 | formi | drwxr-xr-x 41 1000 wheel 2K Mar 30 19:19 formi |
| 11:42.15 | formi | drwxr-xr-x 56 root wheel 4K Mar 30 18:05 ns.etc |
| 11:42.15 | formi | drwxr-xr-x 3 smmsp smmsp 512B Mar 20 21:05 ns.var |
| 11:42.50 | JD | so it is going in the wheel group? |
| 11:42.58 | formi | some of it |
| 11:43.04 | formi | s/it/them |
| 11:43.46 | JD | it could be that rsync is putting them in the same gid |
| 11:44.04 | JD | check /etc/group on both the rh and fbsd boxes |
| 11:46.05 | jason_ukfsn | remember that permissions are based upon uid and gid so if you have the same gid with a different name it will show the other name on the new box |
| 11:46.48 | formi | checking that |
| 11:47.27 | JD | jason_ukfsn: that is what I was getting at |
| 11:47.46 | formi | nope |
| 11:48.25 | formi | ie smmsp is 25:25 in fbsd, there is nothing with 25 on RR, only remotely similar is 525 |
| 11:49.15 | jason_ukfsn | formi if you ls -nl the files on each box are the numerical uid/guid different |
| 11:50.06 | formi | sorry |
| 11:50.35 | formi | there is a 25 which corresponds to named, ns.var = /var/named |
| 11:51.32 | jason_ukfsn | s/guig/gid/ |
| 11:54.59 | formi | root@ns:~# ls -ln /etc/ | grep web |
| 11:55.00 | formi | -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 24080 Nov 8 13:22 webalizer.conf |
| 11:55.00 | formi | drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Jun 5 2002 webfusion |
| 11:55.00 | formi | drwx--x--x 81 0 1 4096 Apr 13 03:00 webmin |
| 11:55.03 | formi | ... |
| 11:55.14 | formi | [ amd:root -> /root > ] ls -ln /ymnt/ns.etc | grep web |
| 11:55.14 | formi | -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 24080 Nov 8 13:22 webalizer.conf |
| 11:55.14 | formi | drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 512 Jun 5 2002 webfusion |
| 11:55.14 | formi | drwx--x--x 79 0 7 2048 Mar 20 03:00 webmin |
| 11:55.31 | JD | interesting |
| 11:55.32 | formi | .. |
| 11:55.51 | formi | they are out of sync, but webmin gid should match |
| 11:55.51 | JD | are they the same name? |
| 11:56.32 | formi | what do you mean with "the same name"? |
| 11:57.26 | JD | well what is guid 1 and 7? |
| 11:57.35 | JD | brb |
| 11:58.12 | murb | ormi: why are you using webmin? |
| 11:58.18 | murb | or is it for some luser you support? |
| 11:58.35 | formi | luser |
| 11:58.45 | formi | luser owner |
| 11:59.04 | murb | webmin puluings are fun to write |
| 11:59.05 | formi | i have managed to convince him to let me move to fbsd |
| 11:59.26 | formi | puluings: "that word sound like fun" |
| 11:59.33 | murb | why do you want to do that? |
| 11:59.50 | murb | you wwant a monocoloture? |
| 12:00.14 | murb | or wasn't linux l33t enought for you? |
| 12:00.14 | formi | a monocoloture? |
| 12:00.25 | murb | mono coluture, everythingi the same |
| 12:00.32 | formi | no, |
| 12:00.43 | murb | means we just need a single crash freebsd bug and we can take out all formis machines |
| 12:00.50 | formi | i still have one mdk machine, and a openbsd |
| 12:01.37 | formi | what i love about fbsd is that it is so much cleaner than most linux distros |
| 12:02.41 | formi | i could probably get the same kick out of slackware, but i won't give Leeds that pleasure, :-> |
| 12:08.16 | formi | the problem with the g-uids, would it dissaper it i pipe the whole thing to bzip/zip ? |
| 12:08.40 | JD | you would get the same guid's |
| 12:08.47 | JD | but you may not want that |
| 12:09.43 | JD | when groups have different guids |
| 12:19.52 | formi | http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=jinlogic&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 |
| 12:23.20 | murb | what is it? |
| 12:23.43 | formi | murb: Im afraid it is a URL !!! |
| 12:24.04 | murb | what does it point at. |
| 12:24.14 | formi | prices of 32m, 64m, 128M usb sticks |
| 12:24.25 | murb | oh. |
| 12:25.00 | formi | ?17.50, ?23.50, ?37.50 |
| 12:25.21 | formi | odd ?/mb ratios |
| 12:28.11 | JD | formi: possibly not if you assume a constant for the non-memory part |
| 12:29.56 | formi | there is somebody trying to flog a 16Mb with a ?4 delivery charge |
| 12:30.10 | formi | somebody has bid 4 |
| 12:30.18 | formi | ?4.5 |
| 12:31.54 | formi | I WANT A 16Mb STICK |
| 12:32.15 | formi | im willing to pay 2 pints of beer |
| 12:32.48 | formi | or a 8Mb stick if there is such a thing |
| 12:34.48 | formi | RAM on XFM now |
| 12:38.14 | formi | s/hd/fd |
| 12:42.45 | formi | great song, and it goes with the times |
| 12:49.54 | JD | god knows |
| 12:52.06 | formi | they ask for a id number they give you IB + 9 numeric digits, the dob, and 3 random digits of your password |
| 12:52.48 | formi | at the point when you type the IB number, there is no ssl connection |
| 12:55.07 | formi | dankolb: no wonder that you don't feel like working |
| 12:55.16 | JD | bbl |
| 12:57.12 | dankolb | :) |
| 13:03.09 | murb | dankolb: rubbish, you should have 5 l at lunch |
| 13:04.49 | formi | murb: you are wrong!! |
| 13:05.07 | formi | murb: you don't drink + eat, it i |
| 13:05.10 | formi | s bad |
| 13:09.07 | dankolb | :) |
| 13:09.12 | murb | and it is lunch time |
| 13:09.18 | murb | hmm |
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| 13:18.54 | dankolb | Bwah. |
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| 13:25.49 | dankolb | wb, Senatus Populusque Romanus |
| 13:26.00 | SPQR | Cheers :) |
| 13:26.42 | SPQR | yup :) Its fromthere :) |
| 13:26.49 | dankolb | Good :) |
| 13:27.39 | SPQR | David says hi |
| 13:27.51 | dankolb | Hi David |
| 13:30.05 | SPQR | He's at a mall somewhere in Aberdeen eying up the girls with me dad |
| 13:34.50 | dankolb | :_) |
| 13:34.52 | dankolb | :-) |
| 13:36.39 | formi | off to the leeches heaven |
| 13:36.52 | SPQR | a swamp somewhere? |
| 13:37.00 | formi | b(o)nkers place |
| 13:37.08 | SPQR | or just london? :P |
| 13:37.16 | formi | the bank |
| 13:37.19 | formi | see ya |
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| 16:29.00 | zachary | good pre-evening |
| 16:30.18 | nasrat | good proto evening |
| 16:31.13 | zachary | ibot seen formi |
| 16:31.14 | | formi <~formi@usr1545-har.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 2h 53m 55s ago, saying: 'see ya'. |
| 16:41.23 | dankolb | hi |
| 16:51.57 | zachary | hi dankolb |
| 17:00.18 | dankolb | Hometime |
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| 17:07.42 | Jenson | hey guys |
| 17:18.19 | JD | hi |
| 17:18.43 | Jenson | heya, how are you JD? |
| 17:18.50 | JD | not too bad |
| 17:19.00 | JD | just drove back from Chelmsford |
| 17:19.03 | JD | back hurts |
| 17:19.07 | Jenson | awwww. |
| 17:26.47 | JD | hmmm interesting. I have a bounce advertising LTIS (UK) ltd |
| 17:26.55 | JD | someone in the UK I can sue :) |
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| 17:33.16 | resuDaed_ | JD : why the name? |
| 17:33.30 | JD | resuDaed_: work it out and win a tenner |
| 17:34.05 | resuDaed | something Jenson|Dinner related? |
| 17:35.03 | resuDaed | for some reason, the Win Box in the front room keeps losing the MBR - well the lilo part of it anyway |
| 17:35.19 | JD | resuDaed: nothing to do with Jenson|Dinner |
| 17:35.56 | resuDaed | ah well, obviously too much thought required for a tenner |
| 17:36.35 | JD | resuDaed: I can't offer any more incase someone works it out |
| 17:37.00 | JD | although I had better give you lot the same clue I've given #debian-uk |
| 17:37.06 | JD | it is close to James Dean |
| 17:37.39 | resuDaed | Jack Daniels? |
| 17:37.50 | resuDaed | ;-) |
| 17:38.03 | JD | no |
| 17:38.17 | JD_ | damn |
| 17:39.58 | JD | dammit resuDaed |
| 17:40.06 | JD_and_coke | ? |
| 17:40.13 | JD | don't make me come over there and lart you |
| 17:40.19 | JD_and_coke | lol |
| 17:41.38 | JD | lol |
| 17:42.12 | JD_and_coke | 64-66kB/s |
| 17:42.40 | JD | bah I can get 160kB/s |
| 17:43.25 | Jenson | lol Tom and Dave you guys are mad |
| 17:43.45 | JD_and_coke | yeah well I can only afford 512k atm, after I go to Belgium next month I will get me a 2MB line |
| 17:45.31 | Jenson | lightshade |
| 17:46.05 | JD | you what? |
| 17:46.24 | JD | last night? |
| 17:46.27 | Jenson | yeh |
| 17:46.30 | Jenson | Me and Ross |
| 17:46.38 | Jenson | Me and Ross split up BTW |
| 17:46.45 | JD | hmmmmm what fun conversations you have |
| 17:46.47 | JD | oh |
| 17:47.08 | Jenson | its cool, it wasnt really a relationship anyway |
| 17:47.16 | JD_and_coke | Jenson : already? why? |
| 17:48.05 | Jenson | JD_and_coke: He feels that he cant love me how I deserve to be loved so we'd be better as friends, I actually agree with him, seenas nothing has actually changed |
| 17:48.35 | JD | JD_and_coke: can you chnge your nick please |
| 17:48.57 | JD_and_coke | JD : do you know how to strech an image (ie from 1280x960 to 1280x1024) |
| 17:50.42 | JD | resuDaed: convert |
| 17:50.45 | resuDaed | I would have guessed convert -resize, but that wont resize an image to a different shape |
| 17:51.11 | resuDaed | unless %/@/!/</> could have anything to do with it |
| 17:52.31 | JD | probably |
| 17:52.42 | JD | you'll need to find something ebtter than the manpage |
| 17:52.56 | resuDaed | I know, it's damn useless |
| 17:53.11 | JD | well it isn;t unless you want to know what those characters mean |
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| 17:53.59 | resuDaed | its useless in the way it tells you no more than --help would |
| 17:54.10 | Jenson | hey voidzero |
| 17:54.24 | voidzero | Hello |
| 17:55.15 | Jenson | voidzero: Are you new here? |
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| 17:56.38 | Jenson | hey EtherRex |
| 17:56.43 | EtherRex | hello |
| 17:56.50 | EtherRex | how go's it? |
| 17:56.52 | JD | resuDaed: the website tells you even less |
| 17:57.04 | Jenson | alright EtherRex, how are you? |
| 17:57.38 | EtherRex | fine thank you. HAppier now I have bamboo :) |
| 17:57.57 | voidzero | Bye |
| 17:58.42 | Jenson | heh i scared him/her away |
| 17:59.27 | JD | you are scary :) |
| 17:59.58 | Jenson | meh |
| 18:00.11 | JD | argh |
| 18:00.18 | JD | run away! run away! |
| 18:00.36 | zachary | Oh it's just a rabbit. |
| 18:00.54 | JD | zachary: what? |
| 18:01.16 | JD | I think you are all trying to confuse me |
| 18:01.21 | zachary | Monty Python - Holy Grail. |
| 18:01.24 | Jenson | zachary: heh |
| 18:01.31 | JD | oh |
| 18:02.19 | Jenson | grrr |
| 18:02.20 | Jenson | lol |
| 18:02.30 | JD | oh zachary stop it |
| 18:02.40 | JD | feck off the lot of ya |
| 18:02.45 | JD_neat | :-p |
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| 18:03.29 | Jenson_ | heh |
| 18:03.31 | Jenson_ | evil |
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| 18:03.49 | dpash | :p |
| 18:03.52 | JD_and_Coke | dpash: you want another beating :) |
| 18:04.31 | Jenson | Dave, I think your new nick is just causing contraversy |
| 18:04.35 | Jenson | damn i cant spell |
| 18:04.48 | Bicardi | ooo |
| 18:04.49 | Bicardi | ps |
| 18:04.58 | Bicardi | damn |
| 18:05.06 | Bicardi | someone has nicked the cxorrect spelling |
| 18:05.44 | resuDaed | got bored |
| 18:05.50 | JD | so you should |
| 18:05.51 | Squirl | heh |
| 18:06.08 | resuDaed | damn sheep |
| 18:06.13 | JD | right no more abusing my nicks |
| 18:06.21 | Jenson | damn i always froget im logged into other channels when i do that lol |
| 18:06.21 | JD | or suffer the consequences |
| 18:06.41 | zachary | brb |
| 18:07.00 | JD | he didn;t like it |
| 18:07.15 | Jenson | heh I've onlky ever been ghosted by you and zimm |
| 18:07.47 | JD | Tarragon was in lots of /invite only channels :) |
| 18:07.52 | resuDaed | does anyone know a free SMS site that doesn't require signing up? |
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| 18:15.42 | JD | fecking freenode |
| 18:16.05 | Jenson | lol |
| 18:16.41 | JD | looks like my server died |
| 18:17.44 | Jenson | later JD |
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| 18:25.04 | resuDaed_ | ok, I g2g now ... resuBitch calls ... grrr |
| 18:25.19 | Jenson | seeya |
| 18:25.40 | resuDaed_ | bitchx on a white background is wierd |
| 18:26.20 | resuDaed_ | brb |
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| 18:27.48 | Jenson | wb |
| 18:28.23 | resuDaed_ | ty |
| 18:31.15 | Jenson | How's Beth? |
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| 18:43.45 | Jenson | hey Leeds |
| 18:45.19 | Leeds | evening |
| 18:51.55 | zachary | evening Leeds |
| 18:53.49 | Jenson | WTF is a college course in 'Moving On Yr1'? |
| 18:53.57 | Jenson | I seem to have got waylayed |
| 18:54.23 | Jenson | I dont think I wanna go to college, my current perception on life defeats the object of doing anything |
| 19:01.11 | JD | Leeds: do you have url for your talk again? preferably a tarball |
| 19:02.30 | JD | Jenson: so why not go to college while you ponder your life away |
| 19:02.48 | JD | and then when you have finished pondering at least you will have some qualification |
| 19:03.05 | Jenson | JD: Because I finally understand zimm's perception on life and why he feels like he does. |
| 19:03.26 | JD | which is? |
| 19:03.44 | Jenson | lol I'm not saying it on here, ppl will think i'm weird |
| 19:08.40 | dankolb | more weird? |
| 19:08.54 | Jenson | yeh |
| 19:09.18 | Jenson | I don't exist, and technically, if you believe in God, then I am God coz God is everything |
| 19:10.38 | dankolb | What? |
| 19:11.04 | dankolb | That doesn't make sense |
| 19:11.14 | Jenson | Yeh it does |
| 19:11.15 | zachary | non sequsitor(sp) |
| 19:11.24 | dankolb | Non Sequitur |
| 19:11.28 | dankolb | No, it doesn't make sense |
| 19:11.39 | dankolb | In fact, it's a pile of bollocks |
| 19:11.45 | Jenson | heh ty |
| 19:12.09 | dankolb | But it's definitely a non seq |
| 19:12.20 | zachary | dankolb: nothing to get bent out of shape. It is just a simple analogy of bad logic. |
| 19:13.28 | Jenson | zachary: Well yeh, thats what tends to happen when I get dumped, and then get into profound conversation about the fact that the lampshade technically doesnt exist at 4am |
| 19:13.28 | dankolb | Broken logic |
| 19:13.30 | JD | dankolb: I don't understand it either |
| 19:13.59 | dankolb | dumped? Redefined your relationship? What was it? |
| 19:15.09 | Jenson | dankolb: Well, I'm sure you dont want details of what happened last night |
| 19:15.32 | dankolb | No |
| 19:16.11 | zachary | Jenson: That is why you should go to college. Find out what does make bad arguments in philosophy. And to make sense of the world for yourself. |
| 19:16.24 | JD | exactly |
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| 19:17.00 | dankolb | Is this the right room for an argument? |
| 19:17.07 | Jenson | zachary: I was arguing with my manic depressive drug using ex who is a philosophor lol |
| 19:17.10 | Jenson | I cant spell that word |
| 19:17.14 | Jenson | I cant say it either |
| 19:17.24 | dankolb | philosopher |
| 19:17.27 | Jenson | ty |
| 19:17.50 | dankolb | lit.: "lover of knowledge" |
| 19:17.57 | Jenson | I'm just really confused today |
| 19:18.24 | dankolb | Well, I'm sure he was worth going out with. Otherwise you wouldn't have done it. |
| 19:18.37 | dankolb | Anyway, food's ready |
| 19:18.39 | dankolb | Back later |
| 19:21.58 | Jenson | i expect i am |
| 19:22.56 | JD | okay |
| 19:23.17 | JD | you can try it on my at a later stage when I don't have a talk to prepare and a pub to go to |
| 19:23.58 | Leeds | JD: ipaq.vmlinuz.org/gllug |
| 19:26.21 | JD | Leeds: I found an old copy |
| 19:26.25 | JD | I thought I had lost it |
| 19:26.31 | Leeds | on your HD? |
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| 19:28.15 | Jenson | I oughta read the beginning of it. I spent that part texting ppl to tell them I'd got dragged into a shell talk and thinking OMG zimm is asleep lol |
| 19:28.17 | Jenson | hey Tarragon |
| 19:28.21 | Tarragon | Hi |
| 19:28.41 | zachary | evening Tarragon |
| 19:28.51 | JD | hi Tarragon |
| 19:29.25 | Tarragon | finally just getting back on line. |
| 19:29.38 | Jenson | anyway, i gotta go, i'll BBL possibly |
| 19:35.58 | Leeds | Tarragon: reinstalled? |
| 19:45.06 | dankolb | back |
| 19:52.01 | Tarragon | Still reinstalling :-( |
| 19:56.03 | dankolb | :( |
| 19:57.21 | murble | Tarragon: don't you like installing? |
| 20:02.12 | dankolb | Bye |
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| 20:32.41 | Davilion | hi |
| 20:54.01 | murble | 'lo |
| 21:00.13 | Leeds | evening |
| 21:12.29 | Leeds | Tescos |
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| 22:04.42 | JD | hi all |
| 22:05.00 | Davilion | hi |
| 22:08.26 | dankolb | Hi |
| 22:09.08 | Davilion | how goes? |
| 22:10.07 | dankolb | Not too bad. |
| 22:10.12 | dankolb | Just watched Tarrant on TV |
| 22:10.38 | Davilion | just been reading... |
| 22:10.42 | Davilion | sopranos time now though |
| 22:10.52 | Davilion | and snmp'ing the air con unit |
| 22:10.54 | dankolb | C'ya, then |
| 22:11.08 | Davilion | nah not yet, hotel tv is next to laptop |
| 22:11.46 | Davilion | just trying to find out the connection between tears for fears and rem |
| 22:12.03 | Davilion | they sound so similar, well one of thier songs i thouhgt it was rem but its not, which explains why when i went throuhg every rem song every published i couldnt find it |
| 22:14.32 | dankolb | ah |
| 22:14.34 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:15.19 | dankolb | Maybe they got the same guy to write the song? |
| 22:15.28 | Davilion | possibly |
| 22:15.44 | Davilion | its not so much lyrics, well yes it is but vocals |
| 22:16.45 | dankolb | Backing vocals are all the same :-P |
| 22:17.20 | Davilion | heh |
| 22:18.37 | Leeds | it's a really nice night out... warm, clear, shops full of Jews... |
| 22:18.58 | dankolb | It looks dark out to me |
| 22:19.12 | Leeds | yes, it's dark, hence 'nice night' :-) |
| 22:19.28 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:19.43 | Leeds | I've been out shopping with just a t-shirt (and trousers, underwear, shoes), no jacket |
| 22:19.58 | dankolb | So at least decently dressed :) |
| 22:20.04 | Leeds | yes |
| 22:20.19 | dankolb | Always good |
| 22:20.31 | Davilion | yeah its a nice day here too |
| 22:21.05 | Leeds | how far north are you? |
| 22:21.09 | Davilion | Hull |
| 22:21.25 | Davilion | its been 19 degrees today here. |
| 22:21.32 | Leeds | 25 or so in Watford :-) |
| 22:21.42 | Davilion | Whats the occasion leeds? |
| 22:22.09 | Leeds | Pesach - aka Passover |
| 22:22.16 | dankolb | Ah |
| 22:22.42 | Leeds | hence Jews out shopping :-) |
| 22:23.32 | dankolb | Forgive what's probably a really dumb ignorant question, but does Passover always coincide with Easter? |
| 22:24.10 | Leeds | sort of |
| 22:24.37 | Leeds | Jewish year is lunar (hence festival starting tomorrow - new moon), Xian year is solar |
| 22:24.49 | Davilion | im afraid im rather ignorant when it comes to religeon leeds. |
| 22:25.04 | Leeds | so the Jewish festivals wander around by up to about a month - there is a Jewish leap month every few years |
| 22:25.07 | Davilion | What does passover signify leeds? |
| 22:25.09 | Leeds | Davilion: no problem :-) |
| 22:25.13 | Leeds | first... |
| 22:25.34 | dankolb | Easter is tied to lunar cycles, though |
| 22:25.42 | Leeds | it's not so much that Easter coincides with Pesach (hebrew name)... it's that the first Easter *was* at Pesach |
| 22:26.16 | Leeds | tomorrow night (and Thursday) I'm going to be at a Seder (festive meal with the family)... the Last Supper *was* a Seder :-) |
| 22:26.54 | Leeds | Pesach, roughly, is the festival of Exodus |
| 22:27.33 | Leeds | it commemerates the plagues, the exodus, the parting of the Red Sea, that lot |
| 22:29.32 | Leeds | the two significant rituals are the Seder meal, and not eating bread (or bread-related stuff) for 7 or 8 days... in the modern world, that translates to everything being marked 'kosher for Pesach' - even to the extent of toothpaste and washing-up liquid (though I don't do that) |
| 22:29.32 | Davilion | cool. |
| 22:30.15 | Leeds | you may have seen matza(h) crackers in the supermarket - they're sold as low-fat crackers during the year... they are small versions of the bread-replacement |
| 22:30.30 | Davilion | yes i've seen thme. |
| 22:30.58 | Leeds | oh, and there are a load of traditions at the Seder - it's a big family do... one of them is that we have to drink (at least!) 4 glasses of wine during the meal :-) |
| 22:31.17 | Davilion | heheh |
| 22:31.57 | Leeds | it's a nice, inclusive 'service' - a bunch of stuff read and done before, during and after the meal - special parts for the kids, stuff like that |
| 22:33.22 | Leeds | plus a part where, traditionally, the kids steal a piece of matzah which is needed to complete the service, and ransom it back whoever's leading the service :-) |
| 22:33.38 | Davilion | heheh |
| 22:33.54 | Davilion | i bet you can spot the merchant bankers a mile off |
| 22:34.43 | Davilion | right |
| 22:34.48 | Davilion | i best be off |
| 22:34.50 | Davilion | catch you guys later |
| 22:34.59 | Leeds | you mean the ones who refuse the first offer, whatever it is... and the ones who argue that the amount needs to go up year-on-year for inflation? |
| 22:35.21 | Davilion | yes |
| 22:35.26 | Davilion | heheh |
| 22:35.29 | Leeds | yes :-) |
| 22:39.25 | dankolb | :-) |
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| 22:52.22 | dankolb | So what sort of occasion is it exactly? Celebrational? solemn? |
| 22:55.28 | Leeds | celebration... |
| 22:56.06 | Leeds | technically, not a total celebration, because of the suffering of the Egyptians (plagues, and a good chunk of the army drowned), but people tend to ignore that |
| 22:56.21 | Leeds | it's a time to be with family, to celebrate freedom, to get constipated |
| 22:56.41 | dankolb | Okay :) |
| 22:56.49 | JD | ah the anti-flour thing |
| 22:56.54 | Leeds | it's a side-effect of the change in food :-) |
| 22:57.09 | dankolb | So wishing someone a Happy (or enjoyable) Pesach is appropriate? |
| 22:57.14 | Leeds | absolutely |
| 22:57.32 | dankolb | Good - always best to check first, though :) |
| 22:57.37 | Leeds | the generic Hebrew term for 'happy holidays' is Chag Sameach (where the ch is like in loch) |
| 22:57.56 | dankolb | Is the 'ch' of Pesach also pronounced like 'loch'? |
| 22:57.59 | Leeds | in e-mail, at least, people seem to use 'happy and kosher pesach' |
| 22:58.17 | Leeds | yes - it's a Hebrew letter which doesn't have a direct equivelent in English |
| 22:58.22 | dankolb | Okay :) |
| 22:58.29 | dankolb | Like the Greek Chi? |
| 22:59.02 | Leeds | possibly :-) it's a long time since I did anything to do with greek |
| 22:59.05 | dankolb | :-) |
| 22:59.19 | Leeds | the sound is somewhat similar to clearing one's throat :-) |
| 22:59.26 | dankolb | Yeah. That's a Chi |
| 22:59.45 | dankolb | Anyway, I shall wish you a happy and kosher pesach now, because I'm off to bed |
| 22:59.47 | dankolb | 'night all |
| 22:59.51 | Leeds | Hebrew and Greek apparently have some linguistic relationship... |
| 22:59.58 | Leeds | g'night |
| 23:00.09 | Leeds | I might not be online much for a few days, so have a good Easter |
| 23:03.21 | A4266 | hey all |
| 23:14.17 | JD | hi all |
| 23:16.06 | JD | although I should probably wait more than a few hours before deciding |
| 23:32.46 | A4266 | cool. ya sent the email then :) |
| 23:38.25 | JD | yeah |
| 23:38.44 | JD | I will see what it is like by the end of tomorrow |
| 23:38.50 | A4266 | lets hope it never happens again!! |
| 23:39.05 | JD | but it looks like it might be less than before |
| 23:39.11 | JD | A4266: yeah |
| 23:39.40 | A4266 | cool, might take them awhile to sort their mailing list out though... |
| 23:41.09 | A4266 | so you'll probly get a few returns till then. |
| 23:48.19 | Leeds | hmm... Buffy just got gory |
| 23:55.28 | Leeds | time for bed... |